Chef vs Inspiring Leader in Dnd 5e

[@PackTactics]

... I forgot to read the last bullet point for you at the beginning... Anyways, another thing to note is you can give all treats to one person that then eats them every round in combat. You can get Pip Fizzlebang's spicy encounters at ko-fi.com/s/3f47b7c2af for only 9.99 dollars!

[@jb123581]

I was going to comment if you didn’t do it here about how the chef feat does benefit from its treats temporary HP being better targeted. I’d still rather have the larger pool for everyone, but if the party barbarian is the only person getting hit, I’d get a lot more out of them having treats than the whole party having temporary hit points.

[@salimufari]

I consider that the "Work" part in the Chef feat most of that hour is waiting to cook said treat. The work could be quite short depending on what you've made but that is subjective.

[@saltypork101]

This can be taken further. By giving the treats to summons and pets that don't typically have bonus action options, the temp hp from chef can actually stack with inspiring leader, which ought to be a big point in its favour.

[@jacobpinson2834]

@@saltypork101 temp hp can't stack

[@thetyrantofsyracuse]

Could you talk about manacles in 5e? Please? They are a single action to use and do not have any save or check when you use them to bind a creatures hands or feet.

[@jamiepandaman]

This is super weird when you consider how the other feats in Tasha's caused a sudden power creep in Feats. Fey Touched, Shadow Touched, Telekinetic and Telepathic are all half feats that are way more powerful than the feats that came before, so the fact that Chef was mixed in with them is pretty surprising.

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

This is one of those moments where we have to consider that WotC is probably intending for you to go above and beyond the feat, using it as inspiration for what kinds of gains might be had with cook's utensils. I'd consider this feat the minimum bonus, and slaying and harvesting monsters for ingredients grants you additional bonuses.

[@mr.bluesky4130]

Yeah even just allowing the player to do something like their prof bonus + mod of whichever stat you increased would be nice. A level 20 barb being able to dole out 6+5-7 temp hp to the party isn’t a lot, but it’s a lot better than just +6

[@jamiepandaman]

​@@monsieurdorgat6864 The feat rules-as-written is not comparable to other feats with similar effects (i.e. what this video was about) or the power level granted by other feats (like the ones from my original comment). That is a touch subjective, but not really. I don't think WotC was "probably intending" anything that isn't RAW because if they were, they would just make that the feat, or at the very least make a footnote about an optional rule.

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

@@jamiepandaman I mean, they intend for you to make use of the tools you picked during your down time. How good or not that is will depend a lot on your DM, yes, but given what I've seen of their games, they probably give their players a fair amount of leniency with how they use them. This then puts the onus on the DM for making effects like this feat unique compared to other potential uses of cooking tools. I see what you mean, because I'm definitely reading very far between the lines here, but the game is benefited significantly when you allow tool and skill proficiencies to vastly change how your character works. This feat provides a nice reference and a frame to understand how you might do something your player was probably hoping to do anyway, given the intentionally vague rules surrounding crafting.

[@GamerKiwi]

@@monsieurdorgat6864 I feel like they should have written that into the text, then. Something like "using parts of different creatures may have additional effects at the DM's discretion. Below are examples of such effects:" and then give, stats for mind flayer calamari or something.

[@ladaas9528]

I mean Chef is a half feat. The fact that it is roughly half as effective as Inspiring leader sounds about perfect.

[@CactusJackIV]

Being a chef sounds way better than being an Inspiring Leader. You can't eat leadership(only the leader)

[@dryadmin]

The fact that Chef saves about half the amount of HP that Inspiring Leader does lines up with it being a half-feat. If I wanted to buff it, I would have the treats grant THP = Your Con or Wis mod, whichever one you chose to increase when taking the feat, giving Chef a much higher spike in early levels while flattening out in the later levels, where thematically rallying strong characters would be more impactful than giving them a treat. Also lets you roleplay a lethal chef trope with 9 Wis that makes treats so bad they actually hurt you.

[@WolfHreda]

Hilarious. 🤣 "Why do we keep accepting your cookies?! 🤢"

[@AdmiralThumbs]

Yeah, I too was going to comment that it's a half-feat, so as long as it's at least half as good as Inspiring Leader, then it seems like a good feat. Still thumbs upped the video though; good math, wrong conclusion.

[@kevingriffith6011]

I'd like to add a counterargument, that Chef doesn't require you to have a charisma score in order to be effective, meaning that it's a much more universally available feat... also it's a half feat instead of a full feat, so there's that. Ultimately I think the value you get out of the chef feat is directly connected to how many hit dice you normally have left to burn at the end of an adventuring day. If you're constantly running down to the wire, spending *everything* then chef can add a not insignificant number of hit points to your party's resource pool, but if you've still got most of your hit dice left when you go to bed then this feat probably isn't going to be worth it for you.

[@aurtosebaelheim5942]

Chef seems like it would be a lot stronger in "only long rest at town"-style adventures. To get maximum value from it, you want to take 1 short rest per hit dice, which just isn't feasible in a single day beyond low level. But if you're going weeks at a time with no long rest, taking 1HD short rests is a lot more believable. The devaluing of traditional healing in this style of campaign would also be a point in Chef's favour.

[@imageispower20]

Chef is also one of those feats that as a GM I'd consider as a reward for downtime or quests. Its technically just a skill thing unlike some feats that are blatantly impossible to teach.

[@71gac]

That was my first thought too, but just looking at the long rest options alone with a Cha of 0 inspiring leader (6x level) beats chef (prof x prof). Sure the short rest can help balance that a bit but I’ve played so many warlocks I’ve come to accept short rests don’t happen often enough.

[@theflyingtoaster7414]

Trying to think of build potential for Chef and the most obvious one is Elf Long rests leaving you 4 free hours to burn for at minimum 8 temp HP Bonus action treats if you got the stuff. Also requiring a highish charisma rather than an unrestricted boosting to Con or Wisdom feels competitive even if looking at the flat numbers. It's a quantity vs quality situation. bonus action temp HP boosts can help shirk of damage if your bonus action's pretty empty, but it requires alot of time and prep. I'd trust inspiring leader to keep others alive, but I'd trust Chef more to keep me and maybe a friend alive.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

In the favor of Inspiring Leader, if you have a one-hour short rest, you can inspire 36 people/beings.

[@rraune7515]

I think where Chef really shines is that you can funnel all of the treats onto someone who's taking the damage. Inspiring Leader will always spread all temp hp onto 6 targets, but with Chef 1 person can simply eat treat after treat (with their bonus action) and keep getting temp hp. Similarly the treats last 8 hours, but it only takes 1 to make a set of them. You can cook for maybe 2-3 hours and simply have a lot more of them. Especially summons, pets and NPC's often do not have any use for their bonus actions in their stat blocks, so they are free to snack every turn and require multiple enemies or big spells to take them down.

[@ithinkwerlost4490]

Gator canonically being the “cheater” of the pair is my new favorite dynamic.

[@theuncalledfor]

I mean, he did steal Kobold's money.

[@jameshernandez4112]

Chef also has the advantage of making two sets of treats, just by having the first hour of the day be spent cooking, I usually flavor this as prepping snacks while the party breaks down camp and eats breakfast.

[@tillfangohr9286]

My Chef-Ranger took a level in Life Cleric and put a Goodberry in every treat. That made it worthwhile.

[@Wreckur4203]

Goodberry ice-cream!!!

[@irregularassassin6380]

Duuuuude. Classy move. Love it!

[@defensivekobra3873]

Yes inspiring leader would give more temp hp, but saying it needs a buff feels absurd when 1) it is a half-feat as mentioned 2) a significant portion if the healing is hp rather than temp hp, which makes it less irrelevant once a twillight cleric shows up 3) it taking the form of small amounts of temp hp that can be spread out means the same target can benefit from it multiple times per short rest and that it can be applied as soon as any other temp hp granting effects end 4) if you need to split the party for an extended period, the other person can still get temp hp even if the last time you met was 1 short rest ago 5) in conjunction with a bard using song of rest and the base benefit of cook's utensils it could potentially allow the party to get most of their hp back from only a few hd spent

[@Alwayz114]

yeah, I think all things considered Chef is solid and doesn't particularly need buffs all that much. This video, imo, just lapses over the extra ability score and how Chef can be done without taking any extra downtime, just as part of a Long and Short rest and not another, separate 10 minutes Plus, and this is purely flavor and preference, but giving a 10 minute inspirational speech several times a day feels kinda dumb. As an adventurer I know I'd be rolling my eyes or making a Speech of the Day Bingo Card after the 3rd one

[@jasonreed7522]

@@Alwayz114 the fact that it takes 10 min to give a speach is definitely very longwinded. It would amke more sense to have inspiring words that basically just needs 1min or less to get out, or flavor the speaches more as a planning session or talking through doubts vs a rousing speach 3x a day every day. On the otherhand chef kobald's "gator bites" + baked potato poppers can be munched on all day long without complaint. (Also, actual good food has immense psychological benefits that adventures definitely need, see memes about Samwise Ganges refusing to serve unseasoned food on their adventure)

[@tzviizaksonas8572]

Im not sure if this is what you already said, but i think its work noting that temporary hit points do not stack. So the hitpoints offered by chef will not conflict with other temporary hit points granted to the party. Which is nice if you already have someone with inspiring leader.

[@defensivekobra3873]

@@tzviizaksonas8572 everyone should know that by now

[@defensivekobra3873]

@@Alwayz114 also if someone is so dedicated to the idea of holding speeches that they pick an entire feat for it, just let them

[@BR4IN1N4J4R]

So here's my actual question: why not take both? Because I had a concept of the party Dad (Mark of Hospitality Halfling Cleric) who holds a cookout and basically gives anecdotal stories to boost the party's morale.

[@damianwilson8974]

This passage in the Basic Rules: If you have temporary hit points and receive more of them, you decide whether to keep the ones you have or to gain the new ones. For example, if a spell grants you 12 temporary hit points when you already have 10, you can have 12 or 10, not 22.

[@BR4IN1N4J4R]

Fair, but I can see situations where both might come in handy, plus if you have a large party, having both means you guarantee the whole party gets temp HP

[@irregularassassin6380]

@@BR4IN1N4J4R The party can also simply hold off on horfing down the treats until after your Inspiring Leader temp-HP has been burned off in combat (so long as that combat happens within 8 hours of making the treats, or else they go bad).

[@fettbub92]

I flavor inspiring leader as "battle plan" time. It plays off real life, allows for RP, and to double dip into strategizing as well. I also love the chef feat.

[@BeaglzRok1]

Honestly, I only took it because I needed a CON half-feat as Barbarian after in-game circumstances left her with an odd number. She uses piercing damage weapons, so no Crusher. A Wood Elf, so no racial feats. Already has CON saves, so no Resilient. Which basically narrows it down to Chef, Durable, and Skill Expert. Durable is... fine, arguably good in a traditional dungeon crawl since she's a CON-Barb which would give a minimum of 8/10/14HP out of 16/17/19 per die rolled. But my DM does very light encounters/day, so spending HD on short rest is basically a non-issue. Expertise is always nice with Skill Expert, arguably insane considering it shoots bounded accuracy in the foot, but she's already using UA Barbarian options for two Expertises (Medicine and Nature, at the cost of Danger Sense) already, and as a player I'm satisfied with that for her character. Though I'm sure it would be the optimal pick, likely between Perception or maybe Athletics. Which leaves Chef. She had used downtime to get proficiency in Cook's Utensils two levels ago, so it seemed on-brand, especially when DM let it give Expertise in the tool (like the old UA feat Gourmand did) instead of just a random extra tool proficiency that RAW gives you. Given that she's already a crazy-good botanist and doctor, adding in the likes of gastronomy and biochemistry has actually made her a bit of a menace in the social-heavy campaign. She can cook for the inn that our party bought using just about anything and make it good, which is plenty good income, and she literally killed a crime boss from across the city by having friendly espionage NPCs give him grapefruit juice. The enzymes in it wreaks havoc with all kinds of medications (which, we knew this guy was basically on life support), but as far as the autopsy is concerned it was just a medicine overdose. So being a regular miracle worker of a doctor on top of that, she's surprisingly popular for someone introduced as part of an association that wants to destroy civilization.

[@irregularassassin6380]

This is the perfect example of why a theoretically "less-optimal" feat may be the absolute perfect pick for a character. I've found that, in 5e, the benefits from any ability are usually around 50% mechanical, and 50% RP and problem solving. You can't theoretically optimize for the latter half.

[@benevolentworldexploder5395]

I would argue that tending to wounds is work. As someone who cooks very often, I find it to either consist of standing or sitting near a heat source while working the food, once the initial prep work is done. Tending wounds can be things like setting a splint, pulling out arrow heads or bullets, using a makeshift tourniquet, and resetting dislocated joints. That is work. I remember my arm getting pulled from it's socket while playing at a friend's as a kid, and she rammed it back in. Should have gone to a doctor, all things considered, but it worked. I was sore and I was in no condition for any physical activities for the rest of the day. D&D isn't realistic, but I would argue that tending wounds is just as much, if not more, labor intensive than cooking. [Note/Edit] Definitely agree that inspiring leader is the better option. The first thing I did when I got TCoE was compare those two feats since they have similar function.

[@tomm35]

I disagree, from a rules perspective and, to some extent, logic perspective. First of all - a short rest is specifically for recovery, i.e. treating wounds, which should be obvious, because this is the only time we can use hit dice to heal - or heal in general, if we exclude any special abilities or spells. Also, the rules specifically call out "tending to wounds" as not interrupting the rest. The PCs are risking their lives on a daily basis, it would be strange if they *didn't* have knowledge of basic first aid. Now, regarding cooking. I understand that it's not necessarily as difficult as treating wounds (which is arguable, based on individual experience, but I digress), however, cooking can also require a fair bit of attention to do properly. Even an expert can overcook or undercook a meal under normal circumstances, even more so if distracted (by bandaging someone). And one would assume that the treats made via the feat are of superb quality, given the benefit provided by such a simple thing. The Chef can make the treat "during" a short rest, just that they choose to forgo having one in favor of cooking. Finally, the rules always call out if an activity can be perform during a short or long rest - several Warlock features are examples of this - recovering their Pact Tome, bonding with their Pact Weapon (Fighter Eldritch Knight also have a very similar Weapon Bond feature).

[@PositiveBlackSoul]

One bonus of Chef over Inspiring Leader is that the creature doesn't have to be present. You could give a creature you summon later a snack, the squishy noble you rescued from the prison and now have to escort, etc. etc.

[@asialsky]

I'd like to point out that DMs are allowed to give feats as part of backgrounds, character arcs, etc. If someone *always* cooks for the party, maybe gift them the feat.

[@DrScott-i9r]

One big consideration that you missed is that you can only benefit from Inspiring Leader once per rest. However, once you've exhausted your temp HP from Chef you can regain more by just eating another treat. So a front liner can take all the treats and potentially get all of the available Chef's temp HP within a single battle (assuming eating a treat is a free action). So, perhaps fewer temp HP over all, but you also gain the capacity to be more focused and flexible with those temp HP.

[@ladaas9528]

it takes a bonus action to eat a treat, but usually people can fit those in intermittently.

[@irregularassassin6380]

@@ladaas9528 Indeed, and taking this feat as an Armourer Artificer would expand on your temp-HP damage tanking ability while only consuming the same action slot. That's a lot of damage shaved off of an already tanky character.

[@leodouskyron5671]

The key to Chef is that recovery die for the singing chef. Bard + Chef + tool is (D6 to D12) + (1D8) +1 added to one recovering hit die. (Which is pretty good for a half feat for a support person that boosts CON!) Inspiring leader is a full feat so it better be great- and it is. Also Chef includes treats that because the effect is minor you are going to offer more freely. It set you up with automatic RP. But both give great RP opportunities food is how people get together and learn each other - and it is how Evil Drow make people into X-people. Getting both may be over kill but they can be used at different times. But if you want something that will really bake your non-spell casting heal effects got to love how Healer takes 5 gp healing kit and makes it into an almost efficient healing potion.

[@brendanrobertson5966]

Bard with Inspiring Leader + Barbarian with Chef = Teamwork OP. Start with Inspiring Leader Temporary HP and when those are gone start eating treats.

[@miri_kess]

Chef is half feat though. If it were comparable to Inspiring leader, that would mean either of them isn't that well balanced

[@MumboJ]

I mean, it's only a half feat... that also gives a proficiency. Basically a quarter feat at that point. It does more than a quarter of Inspiring Leader, seems like more than enough to me. Edit: If you still want a homebrew buff, I'd boost the proficiency to expertise if you already have it, then use that doubled proficiency bonus for the treats. Also maybe replace the 1d8 healing with an additional hit die, even if they don't spend one. I personally think a hearty meal should restore hit dice, it just feels appropriate.

[@KaminoZan]

I'm thinking of adding Chef to my Bardy-Builder character, that could give him some much needed depth out of combat, as well as utility.

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

You are absolutely right, which is why I'll always give players pretty significant bonuses for taking a tool proficiency, including cook's tools. I'd consider the feat a bare minimum that's possible with no special ingredients, but by slaying and harvesting monsters this bonus can be changed and upgraded.

[@jackjazzhands2357]

You could also read it like this: A Creature who could see you - or hear you and understand your language. Then the creature just have to see you hiping it up.

[@matthewhansen5669]

You really missed the value from Chef's being a half feat, and the charisma requirement for inspiring leader. Barbarian, druid, fighter, ranger, wizard, cleric, monk, and some rogues aren't even eligible for inspiring leader. Plus let's say that taking a point in constitution increases HP by one every level, so that's a bump in HP from Chef. Or in wisdom it adds a bit of extra damage for certain clerics, druids, monks, and rangers. It's not just about which lets you recover more HP, it's about the spread in HP economy in combat. Chef is superior in both flavor and optimization for most classes.

[@Akario3]

Heh, flavor

[@hinamiravenroot7162]

If you needed a stat increase I'd argue an ASI is better. If you needed a mental score increase by one point then I'd argue Fey Touched is way better. But if you wanted flavour.. oh boy, do I have something special to you.

[@AngelCanseco1]

Misread barbarian as bard and was confused for a sec

[@tatocraftv]

i am playing a very combat oriented campaign within an infinite dungeon with tons of combat between rests, short rests are our fuel. this feat let's me and my team use our hit dice more efficiently. also being a fighter i don't really use my bonus action that much, so by using all the treats this feat is already better than a stat increase in con (i took it at level 4 and it gives me 4 thp. now I'm level 8 and it still is better). also it increased my con by 1 letting me take the durable feat, reworked by the dm to not include modifiers in the minimum roll. in conjunction with inspiring leader my fighter regains on average 10+9+(8+4+5+6)*hd every short rest, only bosses deal lasting damage. beautiful feat ignored because not enough flashy, usually better than +2 in con

[@warriormouse3005]

I'm going to homebrew inspiring leader for my player's arcane trickster who loves to cook to run on int rather than char. I'll call it Inspiring Feeder

[@ArceusShaymin]

That's what I call my 0/10 midlaner in League of Legends when they're staying in good mental.

[@carthage9951]

Nice to see Chef is a lot better than I ever gave it credit for.

[@minaly22]

I love using the Chef feat for my bard. With Song of Rest and the Chef healing food effect (along with the XGE variant tool rules for cook utensil that allows for healing equal to expended hit dice), this can accumulate to 1d6+1d8+ N (number of expended hit die) per short rest as long as at least one hit dice was spent. The bard is naturally, a halfling because what other race goes crazy over food like them? So this Halfling Bard is a short rest healing gimmick character. And while people probably won't benefit from all this stuff when I cast catnap, I brought that spell along anyway. And yes, our resident Warlock practically wants to marry my halfling.

[@nardolphin]

I like Pact Tactics a lot. He's brisk and to the point, which I value. He's tactically elite, which I respect. He's kooky and amusing, which I enjoy. And he's a straight shooter unafraid to speak his mind, which is incredibly rare in this day and age.

[@jayf6206]

Oddly enough, I built a Twilight Cleric with this feat. He's a traveling kebab street chef.

[@dragonhearthx8369]

In all honesty I really think that these 2 compliment each other. Inspiring leader at the beginning of the day, and chief after the first combat. Chief will help in-between short rests.

[@FallingAtomBlade]

Hey! Nice! I mentioned this on your community post, great to hear your opinions on this! Love your videos!

[@PathForger_]

I've been way out of touch with D&D but I have to admit that I've really been enjoying your mathematical takes on optimization (and the suggestion towards the end is panache).

[@normal6483]

One benefit of Chef's temporary hit points is that the same creature can benefit from the treat multiple times by spending bonus actions (and interact actions to draw the treats). Where Inspiring Leader, at level 20, can give the tank 25 temporary hit points, the chef can give that same tank 36 temporary hit points spread out over multiple instances. At level 9 the Inspiring Leader is granting 13 temp hit points to the tank, while the Chef is giving a total of 16 temporary hit points. If you have someone who is especially capable of soaking up hits then multiple instances of temporary hp on the same person will outshine Inspiring Leader. Especially if you don't have high Charisma, as Con is a premium stat to invest in and the martials, Wis, and Int casters will all provide more benefit from the Chef feat. ...not that it'll mean much in the long run, as Inspiring Leader is pretty dang solid and doesn't require a bonus action. (I once combined Inspiring Leader it with my Warlock who knew Aid from his Halfling Dragonmark. At level 10 that was 35 HP per person; even my familiar wasn't dying after that.)

[@1_Acre_Empire]

I took chef on my barbarian. So he'll effectively double the temp hp with angry munching

[@HantaleMedia]

Those hit soaking characters will often have better bonus actions though, so when are they finding the time to eat 5 snacks a combat? Given temp HP doesn't stack normally. Ignoring all the other problems, it just doesn't work out.

[@normal6483]

@@HantaleMedia Most shielded characters don't have much to do with their bonus actions, especially since Polearm Master's 1d4 bonus action attack is a lot less useful if you can't combine it with Great Weapon Master. A Barbarian will use their bonus action once to rage and then it'll be free the rest of the fight - and they can eat before battle so the HP doesn't need to be eaten on the first turn. Polearm Master on a spear might be good for a Paladin wanting to smite, but they can already qualify for Inspiring Leader thanks to their high Charisma. And if they don't feel like spending a feat on Inspiring Leader, they also don't have to spend a feat on Chef because someone else can take it, meaning the feat still has some relevance in that instance. It's true that it's not ideal, and in many cases it won't work out super well, but that was already my conclusion since I said that Inspiring Leader is hard to beat.

[@HantaleMedia]

@@normal6483 vigorously agreeing with each other, as the saying goes. I still wouldn't want to put it on a shield melee character, from an optimisation perspective, but then, there's very few "optimal" choices for a shielded character.

[@normal6483]

@@HantaleMedia Personally I've been building a Halfling with Mounted Combat (to ride a party member and take their hits) and a dip in Order Cleric so I can soak up hits and rely on someone else to provide damage. Cleric has a lot of bonus action options, especially with Order cleric, but since I can only cast a single leveled spell in a turn without being a Fighter it doesn't make much difference in the end. If a party member took Chef I would probably really appreciate those temporary hit points.

[@notesmaker204]

4:18 after careful consideration, I have come to a strenuous solution of casting the fireball at the kobolds and hopefully kobolds only. The party can deal with the slime later.

[@FattyMcFox]

If you think cooking is more Strenuous than tending wounds, then dude, you have never tended wounds.

[@ryanwaughman8492]

Had a DM rule that the treats lasted an amount of time in days equal to your proficiency bonus at the cost of only being able to prepare a limited amount of them per day and in an urban environment where you had access to ingredients. This meant you could prepare extra hit points during a rest in town that you could take on adventures. This gave the party an incentive to take the feat. It could have been done better because it was a little strong but all in all it did manage to get one of the players to take it and added a lot to the role play side of the campaign.

[@lighthadoqdawg]

way I see it, making some sandwiches during an hour of short rest is completely feasible. I never made some sandwiches and thought: "man, this was some hard work, my break is ruined"

[@pressstart2640]

Inspiring leader as a necromancer is awesome. Give your front line of zombies a peptalk every 10 minutes, 36 zombies an hour. 360 zombies in 10 hours. So in under a day the shock troops of your army have temporary hp. They are immune to exhaustion and thus will not need to take long rests and loose the temporary hp. Or just hire generals with the feat if you can.

[@bungusbillicent5923]

Gator yelling “cheat!” Really caught me off guard lmao

[@LocalMaple]

Of course flavor is free with the Chef feat!

[@Bonds_Mr_Coelho]

I made a combo using the Chef feat with Bard's Song of Rest, and why not put the Inspiring Leader feat in later levels ? In addition to giving your allies a good amount of extra healing during short rests, you can also give them a good amount of temporary hit points.

[@dislikebutton9571]

Exactly, chef stacking with song of rest basically turns 1 hit dice into 3(ish), super worth it in a party that has short rest dependent characters like fighters/monks/warlocks. Bard also has Aid on its list, which is hilarious in combination with all this for even more of an HP boost every day.

[@X23Natalie]

What can i do to improve Chef? Gator: CHEAT *i died*

[@crunkers_]

One thing that people dont really take into account with chef is that the temp hp doesnt actually have to be spread around your party. True temp hp doesnt stack, but the treats can be eaten as a bonus action. So that means each time after you take damage, you can eat a treat if you aren't already using your bonus action.

[@zEr-ne5ri]

Please do a video on optimizing paladin

[@renatocorvaro6924]

Tending to wounds is definitely more strenuous than cooking.

[@acegamer165]

Proof that pack tactics is better than any corporation, he used the pride flag after pride

[@DHTheAlaskan]

He's an optimizer and Pride is optimal. It is the logical conclusion.

[@ssgoko88]

Sorry to break it to you, this was uploaded during pride month. Check the pinned comment.

[@BjornIdiottsonn]

@@ssgoko88 DAAA FUUUUUUU-

[@acegamer165]

@@ssgoko88 literally how?

[@cooperton4949]

He also admits to being lawful evil

[@TheKabukimann]

The 2 times PB was what i was thinking in the beginning and i am glad its such a possible fix.

[@stoicscaly9144]

Okay, I know I'm tired but watching gator spiral off into the void was fucking hilarious

[@thekinginyellowmessiahofha6308]

As someone who cooks pretty often, it definitely feels like regenerating an extra 1d8 healed after a rest watching a movie.

[@softspokensatan8247]

We made it to so chef you can find recipes which cause the treats to do different things. so like one gives resistance to fire for one attack, another advantage on the next fear saving throw. so the chef has to decide what recipe shes gonna cook that day based on how much info they have against the monster. giving teh party temp resistance against fire against a dragon is big but not really broken as its one time and requires planning

[@ericgropuis]

I like chef mainly for its little boost it’s not the best feat but flavor wise it really helps. In my first campaign before the feat existed somehow our dwarf fighter Bodin became the party’s cook because he started cooking up some monsters and eventually we ran with it and we joked about Bodin’s 21 herbs and spices. The campaign ended right when the UA for Tasha’s came out so he wasn’t able to use it unfortunately

[@kylethomas9130]

Definitely had the idea to reflavor Inspiring Leader as sharing a meal.

[@zmishiymishi5349]

Yog of Beard didnt listen. Yog was busy stuffing his mouth

[@DamianDirectly]

I honestly just get chef more often because it raises the Wis or Cha as well as extra flavor

[@chillycharizard5985]

Gator's distant: "wooo murder" It gives me life

[@chelseagarnons-williams1112]

Inspiring leader, Chef and Bard Song of rest. is a nice combo

[@NobodyDungeons]

So, what I did while playing an elven druid was was when I wake up I can make fresh treats for all the party members while they were sleeping then we'd have a bunch of treats to eat or give to people threw out the day.

[@AgentMajin008]

Seems like an easy way to boost Chef is to make it they gain a d8 per expended hit die. But can only benefit from the meal again after a long rest. Assuming average roll on the d8, and a character expending, say, half their viable hit dice (rounded down, minimum of 1) on a short rest you get some pretty decent boosts. Level1-3:4hp. 4-5:8hp, 6-7:12hp, 8-9:16hp, 10-11:20hp, etc., 20:40hp. That is some substantial bonus healing for a short rest. It quickly outpaces Inspirational Leader, but as it’s not Temp HP, you can’t overheal. And the “in combat” use of the treats remains unchanged.

[@perplexingpantheon]

I'm hear to chew butt and kick goodberries, and I'm all out of goodberries.

[@sixty5202]

I think the real value with Chef is that you can stack it with other things like Song of Rest and Inspiring leader. Use Inspiring leader to start, and throw out some treats once that temp HP goes away. Then when you hit a short rest, you are getting that additional D8 along with Song of Rest, meaning your hit dice go a lot further. We've just got that setup online in our Curse of Strahd game, and its been a significant boost to our longevity.

[@CanisMythson]

Okay... But... What if you have both? The Cooking Queen concept build: Creation Bard w/ Inspiring Leader *and* Chef. Takes a little while to get both, but you have Song of Rest and Chef benefits in a short rest to provide a massive boost to hit die healing, whilst also granting the temporary hp of Inspiring Leader; the treats can be used in situations where a creature can't understand you, or just when you can't take a rest. All the cooking stuff pays off at later levels; take Heroe's Feast as a Magical Secret, then use your Song of Creation to create the material component for free, resulting in permanent Heroe's Feast bonuses in addition to the short rest shennanigens. Throw in the Healer feat for even more hilarity and be the absolute sugar momma of the party!

[@woutvanostaden1299]

Tasha's added heroes feast to the bard spell lit I believe.

[@tychozzyx9439]

Clearly the optimal route is to take both so you can be a fancy chef with 50 min prep work before finishing everything with 10 min of pizzazz to buff the healing rates of the party, inspire and amaze everyone to greater heights, and give everyone a goodie bag for the road

[@ye4thorn]

How well would Chef and Inspiring Leader synergize if you would have both (in party)?

[@Adalhaid_]

Inspiring leader is even better if you have a necromancer in your party. Gives way more staying power to zombies and skeletons, especially since healing spells tend to exclude undead. Built a death cleric tank around animate dead + inspiring leader + spirit guardians to prevent any NPC from getting into melee range of my party’s bard and wizard.

[@dumplingduppy1502]

Chef feat + bards song of rest is really good..add some warlock multiclass in there and you are the short rest god.

[@ultralight9625]

fun fact: You can use inspiring leader as many times as you want so long as you target different creatures, so in one hour you can give 36 different creatures including yourself a temp hp buffer. You can have a small army of guards that have collectively almost have as much hp as two Tarrasques.

[@atomicash2475]

*Laughs in Bard/Cleric with both feats*

[@jhnmuder5551]

my DM rules that temp hp from different sources stack so taking both feats is a pretty good investment along side twilight cleric+heroism for some crazy Temp hp

[@LordTaboo11]

If you wanted to buff the chef feat I'd say provide additional temporary health when cooking in an actual kitchen as opposed to the wilderness aswell as depending on what ingredients the chef has on hand where something more rare would provide more than the standard amount of temporary health than commonly found or bought ingredients but it depends on the dm

[@thegarunixking1101]

Holy crap, I was just doing the math on the different between these feats myself just last week, for a Kobold chef no less, and had the idea to reflavor the speech as a meal as well! My math worked off a +1 to charisma instead of a +4, but it barely mattered. Either way the character was getting 1 hit point per level from the plus to con or the temp hp. Inspiring Leader just spreads that benefit to the whole party.

[@boatghost2543]

What's more strenuous than looking at meat cooking by the fire and going "looks good enough to eat." Or making soup and just watching water bubble. Really most of what makes cooking take a long time is watching the food to make sure you don't under or overcook. Hell, tending wounds takes more energy than making sandwiches, but I guess this is all up to the dm.

[@errolwilloughby]

If you're already going supporty, I feel like this could be a "Why not both?" type of situation. Especially so if the feats are spread between two different party members. This way there is the bonus healing from Chef, temporary hitpoints from Inspiring Leader, and then bonus temporary hit points to be used as-needed by the tank or damage-prone squishy. This could prove useful if the DM tends to throw particularly rough combat encounters at the party all the time, especially at the lower levels when most characters are one or two solid hits away from death saving throws.

[@thestylemage2092]

2:30 I don't think tending to injuries is easier than cooking...

[@pogosoloHD]

¡Excelente vídeo, como siempre!

[@EndyHawk]

I have a Loxodon Beast Master Ranger in the wings with Chef. Not needing Charisma to temp up my party and having the ability to round off one of my only two needed ability scores makes it good in such a build, especially when you bring summons and pets into play.

[@CyanosisM]

DM gave me expertise in survival checks when cooking because of Chef

[@Corvothing24]

Honestly seeing as its a half feat, and still approaches the lower bound of IL, I think its not bad at all!

[@voodoodummie]

another small benefit is that the treats are not per person and require a bonus action to consume. If your party has a dedicated tank with a limited use of their bonus action, like a champion fighter, all the temporary hit points can be dumped in one character. Inspiring leader maxes out at 25 per person, definitely a bigger total, but partially wasted on the ranger shooting his longbow from the next country over. Chef maxes out at 36 hp in total, but you can get more if you spend more hours in preparation, so it may be the better option is a specific character makes the optimal use of those extra hit points. but my own opinion is that chef is a much broader feat than inspiring leader. a half-feat with a free set of tools and a small buff to short resting.

[@paulcoy9060]

I'm gonna need that Goodberries quote on a t-shirt.

[@zacharytalarico7250]

I personally think that the idea of Cooks utencils is overlooked as according to XGE Pg. 80, summarized, it claims that you and 5 other creatures can consume a meal you make DURING a short rest and regain 1 hp per hit dice spent. This concludes that cooking could be a short rest activity and pairing it would add 1 hp per 2 levels and an extra d8 hp through chef. If there is a player who already wants to cook it is a viable option for resource saving as you could save more hit dice or make sure you get to full. Also since the extra treats can be made at the start of the day and are not required to be given out immediately if you pair the feats together you have a massive increase in hp. If you had to choose one though I would say inspiring leader is better but having one doesn't make the other a waste of a feat which makes it overpowered paired. Great Channel and I was really excited to watch this video because I love cooking in 5e, I've been a fan and can't wait for your next video.

[@PackTactics]

Next video is very peaceful.

[@mluby7828]

It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of Gator (our inspiring leader).

[@wastedink4059]

I have a bugbear valor bard in the descent to avernus game i'm playing named Pagliaachi. He makes pies, and i can use pies as terrible, single use darts. He is a chef.

[@Neophoia]

As a dm, yes please just ask if you want something to get adjusted to fit better (either thematically or balance). 99% of the time when my players ask to make adjustments they just make the game more fun for us as a group, and the 1% of the time that isn't the case is because the adjustments we made are stuff we keep forgetting about (so... we don't really use it).

[@callmeconvay7977]

Chef does have the (small) bonus of no prerequisite (Leader needs 13 CHR) and the +1 and they can stack the hit points onto one or two party members over time if they want, instead of an even spread. It's a more versatile feat than Inspiring Leader, but not a better one unless your campaign supports it heavily.

[@theuncalledfor]

Chef means you can go to work as a chef in longer periods of downtime, making bank with your amazing cooking skills.

[@Darkseraphimw]

I may be wrong on this, but the way chef is written it is HP recovery not just temporary hit points. So the recovery is longer lasting and makes a good poor man's healing potion. Plus the temporary hit points as a bonus. So it's more versatile but not as potenent for temporary hp.

[@ncamon]

For pure numbers, Inspiring Leader is the better option. You could give a whole battalion temp hit points before a battle with time allowed. However I don't believe there really is an issue having to decide between the two as one is for Charisma focused characters, and Chef can fit with nearly everyone else stat wise. The Charisma character would use Inspiring Leader at the start of the day, and after short rests. The Chef makes his treats at the start of the day to give temp hit points when the IL's temp hp runs out as needed, either all on one or spread out. Lunch time comes and the group decides to take a short rest. The Charisma character likely is a bard, so there is song of rest. The Chef makes lunch during that for the extra 1d8, and +1 per hit dice. So for spending on hit dice, you also get 1d6 +1d8+1 hit points, and this can be done at level 2 if feats are already gained somehow. This is also assuming the group got damaged from the temp HP buffer given already. The short rest ends and the Charisma Character uses Inspiring Leader again. There is also logic in how npcs would perceive the treats the players would have. A player that just eats a treat might just get weird looks about the time he chose to eat something, but a potion or spell would probably put the other groups into fight mode right away. Chef would also be stronger in a world that was low magic, no magic, or where healing was really hard to come by.

[@Forgemane]

A few notes. First, Chef is a half-feat, so it's expected that it's usefulness would be lessened. Second, there is no limit to how many temporary hit points a character can gain from Chef. There is only a limit on how many they can have at any point in time. You could, for example, give 2 each to your martials, and they can use them between combats or as an emergency heal. This makes Chef far more versatile and does actually give it more throughput in temp HP after level 9 if used on a single creature instead of spread out through the party. Third, because of the second point, you could actually benefit from multiple party members having Chef. While the HP gain might be controversial, each party member could create their own set of treats. You could, for example, have a party of 4 players at level 5 that could create a total of 12 treats that each give 3 temporary HP. If given to, say, 2 melee characters for self-healing, they could each prevent 18 damage throughout the course of a day by using bonus actions.

[@keithvanboskirk7327]

sounds like a "Roddy" the ranger quote

[@Halosty45]

Chef treats can also be eaten after inspiring leader hp wears off, between combats if you don't have time for a short rest.

[@Lastofthesigilites]

You need to wait 30 seconds to sware.

[@Mightymajin]

You don't take Chef for it's pros, you take it for flavor

[@pdubb9754]

Now evaluate Chef by considering that the +1 to ability score increased the characters ability score mod. +1 HP per level, +1 bonus on concentration checks, +1 to Wis spells, +1 to your monk's AC, +1 to your druid;s shillelagh attack, etc, Some extra benefits are going to come out of that. Furthermore you didn't have the 13 Cha to pick the Inspiring Leader feat. Also, you gave all those temporary HP to characters who didn't need it - only one person in the part got hammered on by the bad guy. You can give him all your biscuits or cookies to gain HP. You can't distribute inspiring leader hp after the fact only to the people who need it. You give up the higher total HP of inspiring leader for the versatility of doling out those HP in different ways, and all the potential added benefits of the +1 modifier. For some characters this is going to be a better deal.

[@braedenmclean5304]

Imagine having to *tell* people your food is good for them to get the buff

[@dylanmarino7486]

i guess a weird gimmick you could go with if you did not plan on going full chiasma bard like swords, valor, or multi class song of rest and chef feat could be good if you are always getting short rest

[@snakept69]

Two cents about chef: It has no ability score requirement unlike Leader. It also grants a CON bonus which is half an ability score increase. Lastly, Leader is once per short rest but chef has no such limitation. Create Prof treats after a long rest then spend 2~3 hours creating more. While the temporary hit points don't stack the creatures can just eat a new treat after they take damage, as a Bonus Action it's pretty affordable to do in combat. With 6 hours of prep you can have 7 x Prof treats per day, at lvl 5 this is 21 Treats for 3 TempHP for a total of 63 TempHP. Pretty good to go into a dungeon with. Surprised you didn't mention the Elf combo with it. If you are an Elf you can finish a long rest in 4 hours, meaning you can spend the other 4 working for 5 x Prof treats after a long rest.

[@theprinceofawesomeness]

in my experince people don't want short rest, luckely i have been sucsesfull to persuade my groups about the strength of short reasts

[@z-leigh6554]

The only problem is getting the food supplies. I suppose you have to do that anyway though (at least in games where there's no rangers and druids running around)

[@CleopatraKing]

It's worth mentioning that you can give temp hp to your pets. I think drakewarden can understand you so they can benefit from inspiring leader, I don't think beast master can benefit from inspiring leader, but can for chef but I haven't looked at least master in sometime bc drakewarden exists.