CANON PRO 1000 or EPSON SC P 900 Which one should I get?

[@photozen8398]

you cannot but to love this man, he is a wealth of generosity in giving knowledge out.

[@jessehavok4181]

Wow. I can't believe tyou are still making these videos. I learned a lot from you probably over 10 years ago. Keep it up!

[@NorbertoGonzi]

Jose, CAMPEON, aqui en Argentina estamos luchando continuamente con los suministros, la inflacion, la falta de importacion...etc. etc. Y vos nos das un aire de esperanza a los que luchamos contra todo esto. GRACIAS. TOTALES!

[@gosman949]

I have had my P900 for 9 months now, and still printing with the original ink cartridges. So, I guess I'm more efficient than Jose makes me out to be!

[@JayKerr]

Thank you Jose! I've watched your channel over the years and have come to trust your reviews as they are always informative and very helpful.

[@jimhanner2091]

No, the instructions stated that they were 25 ml starter carts. You could tell by the ink level indicator. When I replaced the light gray, the level went up much more.

[@ghffrsfygdhfjkjiysdz]

Hey Joe; still remember you from dpreview. After 10 years of 3rd party ink use, my 3880 has finally died.

[@josesimasyt]

Hi Jose, I have a P900 and I have printed a lot of prints including several A2 and over 200 prints in 13x8, A4 and A3 and I have had to replace only 2 of the cartridges and there a third running low at the moment. I would rather they were full at the start but it is not as bad as you say :). Nice comparison and thank you for the video.

[@jerryphoto1]

Same here I went ahead and got a second set of ink when I bought the printer and have only put in one cartridge since purchase and I too have printed quite a bit with this printer

[@timothy790110]

the ink that comes with the p900 are 50 ml full size, but its got to prime the system.

[@MIshaHaijtema]

Im considering buying the Canon Pro 1000 but now im not sure because i have read that it drains ink alot with maintance and stuff. You would say this is not the case with the p900? How many prints do you make on average like lets say in a week?

[@josesimasyt]

@@MIshaHaijtema it varies a lot, for example, I am working on an exhibition for next year at the moment and I am printing maybe 20-30 13x8 (12cmx17cm) proofs per week. Some weeks I don't print anything, others I print several A2s. I haven't noticed much maintenance on the p900, it does something at startup but not for long.

[@jimhanner2091]

I printed over 80 13-19 prints on my p900 starter carts and only replaced light gray. Epson printers use much less ink, Canon cleaning cycles eat it up.

[@cheo1949]

I guess they now provide full 50ml starter carts. Such was not the case when it first shipped. Good job EPSON.

[@sms9106]

You're a smart old dude (I'm old too). thanks for some great info.

[@matrixtech29]

1000 is better than 900. Or greater than. Seriously, I have Jose's PRO-1000 setup with the Low Ink Warning System and drilled OEM cartridges. I am using Precision Colors Signature Edition inks for 8 colors and OEM ink extracted from PFI-1700 cartridges for Chroma Optimizer, Blue, Red and Yellow. I am very happy with the results and performance of the PRO-1000. I have to thank Jose for his wonderful advice.

[@rodrigoundaa]

it sounds amazing your setup. Im just trying to undersand it to see if I can do it too.

[@rodrigoundaa]

I asume those lights on the ink cartridges are what you say?

[@lschiz-photography1765]

Thank you again for such good info all the time!! Your teaching and training got me on the right track way back and I bought into The Pro10 to start. I’ve had absolutely no issues for 4 years of printing and using Precision Colors ink. Some day I’ll want to, need to settle it up so it will be interesting to see what comes next in Canons Pro line. Thanks again Sincerely Scott

[@porter6311]

Just a correction: the Epson sc-p900 is supplied in Europe with filled ink cartridges that contain 50+ ml of ink. and after the priming system, there is more than 1/3 left in the ink cartridge.

[@bazanderson8283]

Hey Jose, thanks for the info, been watching bits and pieces of ur channel for a while and its been invaluable. Was thinking of pulling the trigger on a pro 1000 buy but figured in todays world of continual updates to tech that its getting on a bit and if what you say is true will wait a bit for a newer version 👍

[@davidadsfasdf806]

I am still waiting for the updated version of the p1000, they already released the two new printers the P200 and P300, just waiting for the P2000

[@bransoncarlton4939]

Thanks Jose for a great explanation of options!

[@cheo1949]

Glad it was helpful!

[@tingyang4944]

Thank you for this wonderful video! I am torn between the Canon P1000 and the Epson P900 for my cyanotype prints. Since my prints are all about blue, I assume the Epson P900 will produce better results?

[@ddsdss256]

My P900 produces excellent quality, museum-worthy prints and I'd never consider putting anything other than Epson ink in it. I also have an older Canon printer and I'd never use anything other than Canon ink in that--it's just not worth it. In addition to risking printer operation, I sell "archival" prints, and part of that means using OEM pigment-based ink (with a supposed 200-400-year life). Re the "starter" ink carts for the P900, I was able to make a lot of prints before any needed replacement, but it would be nice of them to have supplied full carts (although many OEMs do that)! I do a lot of B&W, so the blacks and greys need more frequent replacement. Another tip--you always need to make sure to have a spare maintenance tank. BtW, I switched from Canon due to bad customer service--Epson is great in that regard.

[@renevankleef9293]

Thanks Jose for the excellent explanation and taking the time to share. Rene

[@spitfire9086]

Thank you for all the good info! Was just thinking about the ink on both devices and the way you described capacities, it seems to me that p900 has less ink in the piping, so I'm thinking if refiling (Europe as you say), it should be easier to rinse if you mess up the ink than pro1000? If this is the case, I don't mind too much for getting half capacity as a starter... just thinking...

[@xuyang1981]

Hi Jose, this is so timely, I am literally deciding between the two, thank you so much for the detailed comparasion! really helpful!

[@legalservices4896]

I'm trying to decide as well. Yang which one did you go with?

[@jerryphoto1]

I was looking at these two printers myself and decided to go with the p900 because I know I print quite often and didn't want to be penalized with an auto cleaning system on top of normal printing

[@ossayecasadearte]

The pint head in the epson P-900 is replenishable? Thanks, AR / Yours comments magnificents.

[@AJCiti]

This was very helpful thank you

[@mistere8859]

Hello Jose.. thanks for the review.... Can you tell me which inks/system you use to refill your cartridges and if the cartridge level is still monitored by the printer and/or what has to be done to make the ink level interface work with the printer. I saw one set of refill inks and they said that the interface doesn't work but that you can just shake each individual cartridge to check if there is still ink in it. I'd rather not shake each individual cartridge if it's somehow avoidable! thanks... David

[@timothy790110]

A big thing that he P900 can do that the canon cant is print on poster board via the front feed, up to 1.5mm

[@cheo1949]

Yes

[@jasonr428]

Jose, do you have any updates on a potential Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-1000 replacement, and what the updates might include? I want to buy a Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-1000, but it may be worth waiting for if a new one is to be released sometime soon. Soon for me would have to be within the next 3-5 months. Thanks.

[@cameraprepper7938]

I live in Europe, so ink is no problem, I will get the Epson P900 because it is a lot smaller than the Canon which I do not have the space for.

[@Tnapvrvideo]

Great share! Might I ask everyone. Which is better at printing full size, pure B&W photographs: the Epson SC P900 or the Canon PRO 1000? Thanks!

[@cheo1949]

Both!

[@chrisbell-pctechnician3784]

Great info as ever.

[@mabehall7667]

Don’t believe there will be a dime’s difference in print quality. The Canon may be a little more robust mechanically and I have NEVER had a miss-feed. I know I do not print frequently enough but because of the Canon’s horrendous ink waste due to cleaning cycles I once calculated that I could use Epson OEM cheaper than Canon 3rd party inks (or pay for a new Epson with the ink savings)--it’s the technology used. With that said, I still have my Canon and use OEM inks. Just too lazy to learn new print procedures.

[@dr5chrome896]

Jose - hope you are well. in your opinion - which of the 2 [P900 or PRO1000] produce the best B&W.. thnx

[@Miauzur]

Here is the truth about Canon Pro 1000-it was off for more than 5 months with the power light on,all the sudden I had to print 8 prints 8.5x11 luster quality photos,printed a test page first,came out perfect after agitating ink and less than a minute cleaning cycle.4 hours after decided to print few 13x19 prints-the cleaning and agitating cycle was about 30 minutes used up a load of ink this time,all in one day,I guess Canon had to make up for the "unused ink"somehow.Printer ink-the most expensive liquid in the known Universe!!I don't think the drying ink is the printer itself issue,this machine is programmed to suck us dry by using a shitload of ink which we dispose of by replacing the "maintenance cartridges" heavy as a brick,full of wasted ink.

[@timothy790110]

so it was your fault for not printing every day.

[@Raidon95]

Hello, can i use Canon pro 1000 or Epson P 900 for canvas print from roller ? Thanks :)

[@sergioca1208]

Glad I found your channel. you are very very informative. Thank you! My question is: Are these (Epson series, Canon 1000) the same printers used for canvas prints?

[@MacEffie]

I always love to watch your video. Thxs fot it and keep up the good work. :) I think I have already found the answer. Canon makes no profiles for Epson and the other way around. I have to make a profiles myself or just use Luster on the epson paper. Am I correct? Thxs Han My question was and I think I found the answer and so I solved it. I have a Canon Pro 1000 and I bought some Epson premium luster paper on the roll. I am looking for a ICC profile for the Pro1000 but it seems I can not find it. Can you point me in the right direction so I can print on Epson paper with the right profile or can I use an in-printer from the Pro 1000 itself to get good results.

[@mistuckerd9939]

Help me, Jose! Please!!! lol....I'm so frustrated right now and you look like a pro.. I have an Epson ET 4760 and have always been able to clear clogs in the past, however the latest clog starts way back at the beginning---in the ink tank itself. I can't pull any ink into tube or cartridge. Tube is clear. Cartridge is empty. When I try to pull ink from tube end that connects to the cartridge all I get is syringe after syringe of air and it sounds like a paper bag is crinkling...it's the ink tank! So weird...it's made of soft thin plastic that crinkles up. It seems to me like I might have a hole in my ink tank....does any of this sound familiar? I have watched every video I can find and nothing mentions what to do if everything is clog-free back to the point of the ink tanks themselves. I would absolutely 100% appreciate any advice!

[@spaceair1]

they sell pro 1000 in our country whit 500€ discount and you get also 100€ photo papers added when you buy it! As for the half-empty cartridges for the p900.. on our site they state that for this reason they add 2 sets of cartridges to each printer

[@spaceair1]

@@mirambroz5015 slovenia

[@mirambroz5015]

@@spaceair1 Hvala, to sam i pomislio zbog tvog prezimena. Ja namjeravam kupiti printer pa se dvoumim između Epsona i Canona. Nekako me sve vuče na Canon prograf 1000 iz više razloga (A2 , vakum za papir, izmjenjiva glava...). I sada sam vidio tvoj post i ne mogu vjerovati da ga prodaju za 500 Eura popusta. Je li to moguće ? Koliko točno dođe i gdje ?? Gdje bih mogao to pogledati, jako me interesira. Ja sam iz okolice Buzeta i najbliži mi je Koper pa bih mogao tamo skočit. Hvala ti puno

[@mirambroz5015]

@@spaceair1 Hvala, sada sam pogledao. U Tuvija za 790 Eura i pogledam kod nas i nađem za 800 Eura. Hvala ti u svakom slučaju !

[@BokushingusKendoTV]

They just delivered the pro 1000 to my door. It’s huge and heavy! Cannon had an instant 300.00 rebate. So i pulled the trigger. Do you have any suggestions for stand?

[@cheo1949]

As sturdy as possible.

[@BokushingusKendoTV]

@@cheo1949 I wasn’t expecting it to be so big. I also have the pro 300. I use up all the ink before putting it in storage. Not sure if the 1000 will fit the table I used for the 300

[@primaveraimages]

Hello Sir, hello everyone, Maybe I might get some help from You for my Epson P900. I print every week at least a Noozle Check or some A4 Fine Art Prints on Hahnemühle Matte paper. Unfortunately since last month the Noozle Check is perfect, except for the LGY which comes out with only few lines, or totally blank. Printing Purge file more times, or head cleaning, haven't solved the problem. Any suggestions is very welcome, hopefully I don't have to send it to Service, the Warranty is also expired 😔 Thank You so much in advance! My greetings from Germany 😊

[@Rodriguez368]

Hi I have canon pro 100 and stop turning on just simple question how many prints can you get out of a canon pro 100

[@gosman949]

the P900 is much smaller and is excellent. After 9 months, I'm still printing on the starter inks!

[@kristireiniche]

I am looking to replace my Epson SureColor 400 printers (they are worn out). I use this for printing graphics/text for stationery items on heavy card stock and labels. My frustrations with Epson - I don't love the reds, thick paper does not always feed well, and each page does not feed the same way (so the top margins vary from sheet to sheet). Obviously quality and ink cost are both issues. So I am looking at the Canon Pro 1000.....but I can't ignore the Epson SC P900. What would you choose given my use?

[@ytuberization]

Both have pros and cons: Canon eats inks, just unacceptable. The P900 is here totally different, but has huge problems with paper feed (from front, rear and roll paper),pizza wheel marks with sensitive paper and severe bronzing with B&W on Baryta papers. Both are just not good products, to be very honest. Unfortunately HP is no longer in this area active.

[@linsi879]

Im still scratching my head as to which one to buy. I’m leaning toward the Canon but the age of it puts me off. I would hate to spend all that $$$ for it to be redundant in 2/3 years 🤷‍♂️

[@alexflores7854]

Do you happen to know if the Canon Pro 1000 US spec is different from the UK spec?

[@cheo1949]

It should be the same.

[@alexflores7854]

@Jose Rodriguez Photo Printing Techie thank you for the response Jose. i believe i just found it after a couple days of searching on canon's site. For whatever reason, they call they dont have the same model number here in the UK and it had me guessing. Dont want to pull the trigger on buying it if i wouldn't be able to bring it back with me to the US once my tour is over.

[@davidhunternyc1]

It seems like you are endorsing the Canon P1000 over the Epson because of the ability to use third party inks? Why can't you be my next door neighbor? I need you! ❤

[@cheo1949]

Like I stated in the beginning. If 3rd products were not a concern I would own P900 right now. The roll adapter along would sway me. If they come up with a chip less firm ware I would also get one in a flash.

[@davepastern]

@@cheo1949 I still fail to see how this is NOT anti-competitive behaviour and in breach of antitrust laws (stifling competition). I guess the US DOJ really doesn't like to investigate large corporations...corruption runs deep in the US system.

[@timothy790110]

Still of the same opinion? I had the p900, had problems with front feeder, top feeder and not pushing paper out. So I called Epson and they sent out a techie and he said "this crap again. It's notorious at HQ Epson UK for always breaking down" reliability or roll? Are you really printing panormams longer than 120cm,which you can now do on the 1000.

[@andreibogdanoff6014]

@@cheo1949 В Китае уже есть перепрошивальщики чипов для P900 и очень недорогие чернила сторонних производителей пигментные или на водной основе

[@YOURTRAVELDJ]

Can the Cannon use evo solvent inks?

[@cheo1949]

no

[@YOURTRAVELDJ]

Thanks

[@ArtieKendall]

Has there been any reports of the black ink valve switch failing for the Epson p600 or p800 models? I know the issue was more common for the Epson Stylus Pro and R series of printers but was not sure about the later SureColor series.

[@cheo1949]

I apparently was somewhat improved on those two models. So far so good on my p800. It also still works fine on my 3800 and 3880. If you simply use it frequently it will be fine. It is rated for a 1400 black ink switches.

[@huwpenson2678]

The Culprit : ..... Magenta !

[@timothy790110]

just wanted to say that my P900 shipped with full 50 ml cartridges, they must have changed it

[@cheo1949]

That's good to hear. 25ml initial carts are a joke.

[@timothy790110]

yes, i would have been pissed if they only shipped half full. i must say i think the ink lasts quite a long time with the p900, though light grey seems to be the one that goes the fastets. That saying, i had paperfeeding problems with it, and epson offered money back or a new p900, but ive opted for the IPG1000. its on sale here for $910 (without tax) and I think thats a pretty good deal. I print every day, at least an A3. Cartridges are actually cheaper per ml compared to the P900s, (0.66 cents vs 0.56 cents) what do you think? Im printing my watercolors prints for selling.@@cheo1949

[@simongentry]

same conclusion in oct 2024?

[@34JOSH212]

İ think Epson sounds better because canon's compatible inks pack is $400 and Epson genuine ink pack is $400 Canon ink 80 ml and Epson ink 50 ml

[@ChicagoRob2]

Compared to the Pro-1000, the SC P 900 is a Tinker Toy.

[@wrobi2267]

🤣 regardless if it's about cameras, printers or what else, canon users would die for their love to canon. Why is it built like a tank? - buy it and use it, but don't move it. There are pros and cons.

[@gosman949]

my p900 is smaller and more powerful than your Pro-1000!

[@borromine]

Jose: this vid was only about ink. Nothing about head. Print quality. Shadow detail. Maybe you cover those things elsewhere.

[@cheo1949]

We are about refilling. I am not comparing printers output quality. Both are outstanding in that regards. You would likely not see any difference. Neither printer allows chips to be reset so it's all about how to get around that. I have been given print examples from the P900 and compared to the PRO1000 with same images and glossy paper the PRO1000 wins. Not in output accuracy but in lack of gloss differential which the 900 suffers of due to lacking a clear gloss coat like the 1000 uses. But they are equal in color output.