I Give Up - Black Wins

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Bernhard Horwitz, 1883
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[@alexm495]

"It doesn't matter if you're black or white".. someone should write a song about that

[@RemyWillard]

Michael Jackson had a hit song titled "Black or White" in 1991. If you already knew this and are just trolling, disregard what I've said.

[@seanbyrne7919]

@@RemyWillardbro that’s literally the joke.

[@Nate_doggy_dawg]

There’s someone who needs to ask the Man in the Mirror to change his ways.

[@alexm495]

@@RemyWillard well, not trolling exactly, just being a goofball 😉

[@RemyWillard]

@@alexm495 Being a goofball is always fun, but not always easy to tell in text form without the use of emojis. 😄

[@pacolibre5411]

The reason I noticed that it was always white to play and win is because , in most of your early videos that I watched, you would frequently leave “who wins?” as an open question before showing the answer. It makes sense if you’re just sharing a puzzle analysis to leave it as written, but if you are trying to add suspense, the pattern becomes very noticeable.

[@e.j.bosman7728]

Dude, really? Chill out man. "People see the world not as it is, but as they are"

[@pierrecurie]

That would add an extra level to these puzzles.

[@Bruh-bk6yo]

Ah, I see... "So, you're moving first because you're WHITE, huh? You think you have MORE rights than black people?!"

[@MrGilfred]

I say that the reason why the puzzles are white to play and win isn't because of some bias towards white. The positions in chess can change and as black you can find yourself in a similar position as the puzzle. What the puzzles are trying to do is teach you certain situations that will tell you what the best moves are for that situation to win. So like I said it doesn't matter whether you are playing White or Black.

[@PreservationEnthusiast]

No, it's better to have pattern recognition applied to both sides. Chess is based on pattern recognition, sometimes at fast time control and very little thinking time available. If we always look at white to attack black castled king we can develop a blindness to the same moves from the black side of the board. We need to be able to play from both sides, so develop all senses. Black to play and win puzzles are a good tool.

[@MrGilfred]

@@PreservationEnthusiast Are you saying that a near smothered checkmate puzzle for white to play and win would be totally different for Black to play and win. Even if you just flip the board and have the same pieces in the same position. Where it would be impossible for you to learn to spot things like smothered checkmate or other patterns just by playing white. I would think that a near smothered checkmate is still a near smothered checkmate.

[@PreservationEnthusiast]

@@MrGilfred It's not totally different, but when playing at speed, you rely on instinct and you are more likely to play correctly if you can recall the actual position rather than some inverted mirror image. The less steps your brain needs to perform, the less strain on memory.

[@MrGilfred]

@@PreservationEnthusiast Then what you are telling me is that if there are around 10,000 (made up number) different near smothered checkmate positions that I would have to remember them all 100% accurately in order to notice it is a near smothered checkmate along with knowing what moves to make to complete the mate. Instead of just being able to recognizing it and reacting according. That would be like telling me that I would have to memorize every book move for the Italian game opening. Along with all main variations perfectly in order to be able to use it at all. Instead of remembering the basic idea of the opening. Along with remembering the basic idea of the main variations.

[@grapetoad6595]

As someone else said in the main body, it was because Nelson used to say "who wins?" And it would always be white, defeating the point of asking.

[@timosaareste8655]

Stick to white pieces. Keep it consistent. I got confused on which way the pawns move during the puzzle.

[@mncdssctn9110]

How hard is to look at the left and see if the numbers go up or down… If top - bottom is 1-8 then black moves forward, if it’s 8-1 then white moves forward. Not exactly nuclear physics.

[@SF3L]

@@mncdssctn9110there’s nothing wrong with keeping things simple when there’s no reason to mix it up, white goes or black goes it’s gonna be the same puzzle, so might as well just keep it consistent instead of randomly changing which side you’re playing in the puzzle

[@mncdssctn9110]

@@SF3L I think the opposite. Mixing it up makes it more interesting. I also wish there were more puzzles about ”who wins” rather than ”how does white (or black) win.”

[@SF3L]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@mncdssctn9110honestly it doesn’t really change much, it’s still gonna be played the same and have the exact same solution, just the pieces are the opposite color. But also yeah there needs to be more “who wins in this position” puzzles instead of more “find the checkmate in 392 moves” type puzzles

[@Randomvideos-YouTube]

If the pawn pushes 2 squares en passant is available therefore there is no checkmate

[@batavuskoga]

After the black King moves to d1, the white pawn goes to d4. En passant is available for black, but he doesn't have to take the pawn. En passant is just an possible move for black, it's not obligatory

[@lel4920]

​@@batavuskogabut En passant is obligatory wdym

[@batavuskoga]

@@lel4920 Only when you have no other legal moves. When you have the possibility to capture en passant, this move is only available the very next move, but it's never obligatory, unless you have no other legal moves.

[@Randomvideos-YouTube]

@@batavuskoga it is

[@batavuskoga]

@@Randomvideos-KZbin @lei4920 I suggest you both look for the rules of en passant En passant is NEVER obligatory when you have other legal moves. You have the possibility only the very next move

[@RogerAckroid]

Why is it always black friday sales and never white friday sale? Please change it!

[@andruha1067]

😂😂😂

[@lol101lol101lol10199]

I was like "hmm, well you can't just park the knight on d3 and move the king because that would be stalemate". Missed that White's bishop could move after Kc2. Which made the puzzle hard...

[@tykemorris]

That threw me off at first too.

[@denisrho1019]

BLACK Friday so (obviously) BLACK to play and win ! By the way: yes, I loved the change.

[@serenalaurence1492]

Hi Nelson, I think most people who say the "White to play and win" thing are either just joking and trolling. I do appreciate the change it was fun to see but it ultimately doesn't matter, nice vid :)

[@mncdssctn9110]

I never considered it an issue, I just found it amusing. And I assumed Nelson did as well, because he has joked about it himself. Just go back to the first fishermen puzzle and see, where they are asked if white wins, if it’s a draw or if black wins, and the first fisherman says something like ”white wins because it’s always white to play and win on chess vibes.” 😄

[@Nagib23_32]

Sadly, the puzzle doesn't work, since if white pushes the pawn two squares, nd3# is not a legal move since en passant is forced

[@lethalty6055]

En passant is optional. There are plenty of examples from his speed run streams about en passant.

[@BigDBrian]

@@lethalty6055 it's not technically forced, but... you get brick on pp, which is very unpleasant. is it worth the win? probably not

[@frankss5145]

It's chess, not checkers

[@milkyfernandez5505]

I'm sorry, how is nd3# not legal?

[@HustenbonbonTV]

It's a joke

[@jonnyboom5993]

The people who complain about no black piece puzzles are the same people who ask Nelson what his thoughts are on the conflict in Israel.

[@andruha1067]

Same people that think Biden is doing a good job. 😂😂😂

[@janvandeven906]

@@andruha1067 The same ppl complain in RL that white always wins

[@arminulrich2319]

@@andruha1067 But he himself has forgotten it.

[@danielnelson9411]

​@@arminulrich2319 Forgotten what?😅

[@arminulrich2319]

@@danielnelson9411 what his job is.

[@Polish_internet_troll]

White to play and win is just simple to remember, and shouldn't be changed, as when positions get more complicated, you need to constantly remember what pieces you have and which way pawns move (which might be a problem when you try to watch multiple puzzles video) Changing it would be confusing.

[@alex_zetsu]

I don't mind a "white to move and make it as difficult as possible for black" with the most "obvious" lines leading to a white win, black having a mate in 7 with optimal play, and the right move from white on move one making it easy for black to make a mistake and end up in a catastrophic endgame hopelessly behind in material.

[@farouqbaiti4315]

For the first time,Black to play and win. It was a great idea.

[@lajos-berenyi]

I was curious, how 1. … Ne2+ also leads to (longer) checkmate. But it turns out, that after Kc2 black has to move back the knight to Nc5, and as white would lose after d3 (d4) cxd3+ Kc1 Ne2#, we will go back to the main line after Bc1, Nd3, Bb2, Ke2, or after Kc1, Nd3+, Kc2, Ke2, only with two extra moves included.

[@1a1u0g9t4s2u]

While I agree there is a good argument for a standard but this was not shared when I saw these type of puzzles in printed newspapers. In real games white is not always moving top to bottom nor wins the game when viewed as spectator at an OTB matches. As a recreational chess player I may play as white or black and always traveling away from my physical position. My 2 cents worth...the standard should be to show the row and column markings as this determines which direction both colors are moving, then identify which color is to move then ultimately win. I believe it is beneficial to learn by viewing the board from either position regardless which color you are playing. Thanks for sharing.

[@danielyuan9862]

I'm okay with some puzzles being flipped. But I feel like this puzzle is different because if you didn't flip the board than you can say white forced black's pieces to their starting square while the quite king takes black's throne. But in this case, the black king is on d1, not e1, so you can't say that anymore.

[@MadaraUchihaapache]

I wish I was so privileged to not have any problem in life that I could create new problem. These people will complain about anything.

[@iamadooddood4331]

Actually, the few composed chess problems with Black to move and win/draw that I've seen tend to leave the board unflipped. Gioachino Greco's 1623 puzzle involving a wrong rook pawn, for example. If you see a Black to move and win/draw chess problem that has the board flipped, it's generally either a puzzle that was originally White to move but the colours were flipped (like in this case), or it was a position that actually arose from an over the board game taken from Black's perspective, thus not a composed one.

[@pakasokoste]

I welcome the variety, where its not always white to pay and win. I guess that's because of my OCD of wanting to give each color equal spotlight.

[@Trixbeat]

Black to play and win are usually taken from positions in real games as a tribute to what happened or could have happened

[@AbouTaim-Lille]

White to play and win: 1-E8 =Q+ ... K c7. 2- Q E5+ .. k C6.... And the white can easily promote another pawn. After taking out the king from its way that make a blockade.

[@alex_zetsu]

How about "white to play and make things as difficult as possible?" Have one where with optimal play, black mates in 3 moves and even though the puzzle is white to play, he can't do anything. But the twist is, if white makes a great move, there are all sorts of traps black must see or black loses catastrophic material and white is winning. Black to play and win/draw is just a color reversed version of the typical puzzle.

[@flep420]

Wrong. If white plays D4, black is forced to play En Passant.

[@TwoHonest]

And just like that, the ChessVibes channel ended racism forever

[@aidanvannynatten2787]

Clever Nelsi, switches to black pieces to signal *Black* Friday sale

[@GMPranav]

Actually after f5, gxf5 is forced. Atleast that what I was told on this certain popular chess subreddit.

[@BigDBrian]

you meant after d4, cxd3 is forced

[@GMPranav]

@@BigDBrian Yeah, don't know how I got it wrong honestly lol

[@davidrigby-yo9zh]

You have great puzzles. There are some that could be flipped, instead of saying, "it's white's turn", the solution might be significantly different if you started (ie, without changing anything about the puzzle) by saying, "it's black's turn".

[@anomaly3215]

well it's almost checkmate, however if white pushed the pawn twice it would allow the forced move which takes priority over mate in 1

[@Javiercar]

Color inversion makes it so AKWARD to watch from me, I keep thinking pawns are going in the opposite direction lol

[@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394]

Obviously the easiest move is a one time conversion of the king to a combination queen/knight. It's a zero move checkmate, so if you have to move, ke6.

[@christopherheckman7957]

Cute problem. One extra bit of trivia: The reason that heroes wore white in old black and white movies is because white clothes showed up better than black clothes.

[@slyveonnumeros]

Maybe Heroes use white because they are assrolls (using white to show off), nobody needs to know you are here, if the villain is using black, he will notice you first than they

[@AdityaGupta-qd8iv]

Like the change. Black should also be able to play for the win/draw.

[@mihazupan5214]

Puzzles are "white to play and win" because white moves first in a Chess game or a puzzle, so it makes no sense not to utilise it in puzzles as well. If that bothers anyone they should play checkers instead.

[@slyveonnumeros]

That's even worst, you can't compare a game that white has slight advantage for playing first to a game where white has a big advantage by playing first.

[@MrJSyer]

It could be any color, but it's better to be only one color, so our brains get less confused about what to look for.

[@milkyfernandez5505]

Why are people saying en passent is forced? That makes no sense. It's an option, yeah, but the other option after d4 is nd3#

[@driving.me.crazy_]

It's a running joke in the chess community, old, but a joke nonetheless

[@Trias805]

It's forced if you have OCD ;)

[@GB-ez6ge]

I get it, black to play and win and black Friday - as it should be

[@memnocktdevil]

Dude I think it’s mostly sarcasm🤣 it’s a running joke in my house when something is “white” one of us will joke “why’s it gotta be white for?”🤣 I’d assume 95% of those comments are meant ironically and the other 5% are just weirdos🤣 Finally I get to say “why’s it gotta be black for?”

[@trdi]

The final position (especially if white plays d3) would be a nice puzzle of "how did this position happen if you know every player played the best move" type.

[@captain_eclectic]

This channel has helped me so much.

[@awang_ir]

Now it's black Friday discounts sale and win ~

[@GodzillaFreak]

Well white goes first in the puzzleverse as well you know how it is. People don't really make second move puzzles

[@ALX112358]

The general rule "white to play and win/draw/whatever", is so one simply needs to show the board without any text and the players would know whose turn it is.

[@aleroux-chimie]

"White to play" in a chess puzzle is a convention supported by the World Federation for Chess Composition (article 15) and should not be changed. Don't change puzzles created by other composers.

[@abdush3268]

And fellas, thats why you need to develop your pieces.

[@killallbots1012]

Usually if it is "black to play and win/draw" puzzle, the puzzle is from a recorded game.

[@THEWallyWarbles]

This puzzle is a stalemate, because en passant is forced.

[@sebastiaanpeekstok4577]

Its because "White Wins" starts both with a W

[@tottenvillelegend826]

Love these chess puzzles!!!

[@mariliafreitas7424]

3:04 I can't believe nelson checkmated, missing the best move, cxd3. Does he even know how to play chess???

[@MarkRaphaelson]

Please don't switch the colors. It a) makes the puzzles more confusing and b) caters to the lowest form of human.

[@andruha1067]

💯

[@mncdssctn9110]

Nothing confusing about it, a quick look at the numbers in the left corner tells you which pawns goes which way.

[@tezzla6358]

@@mncdssctn9110bro is really defending this in every comment, it's fine if people get confused stop being so self centered

[@mattdyson5801]

The better player should win, no matter if he has black or white.

[@rainerausdemspring3584]

Flipping the sides is a rather ridiculous idea.

[@thorham1346]

Not really.

[@adventureboy444]

I thought after Kd3, it would have been a stalemate on the next turn so I kinda calculate a really long line of moving the king to f2 or f1. After he said bishop force to move I immediately got the answer correct

[@Rammbock]

THE MASTER RACE TO MOVE UND WIN! ✋🏻

[@TheEthikos]

It definitely should remain White To Play...it's a standard for a reason, there's *no* reason to swap sides...the black pieces don't have feelings.

[@DaDitka]

Frankly, I wouldn't worry about it. People and ideas only ha e power over you if you let them, and I'm not going to allow that to happen to me. Furthermore, the internet tends to be a megaphone for, shall we say, "less intellectually aware and wisdom-lacking" people, so their screams tend to be a lot fewer but a lot louder. Keep up the good work, sir. You are doing fine. P.S. please bring back the Chess Adventure Series! Lol

[@zigzy2967]

Sorry, I have to take en passant as this move is forced💀

[@noatrope]

Now I'm wondering if there are any puzzles whose solutions change depending on whether the side to play and win is black or white (e.g. because black in this position is still able to castle but white has some other opportunity that black wouldn't).

[@brianwang9017]

Yo Chess Vibes, is it possible for you to do a wayward queen attack spam smurf video?? xD

[@Joytaze]

Am I the only one who figured the starting colour of these puzzles wasn't a racial issue at all UNTIL IT WAS BROUGHT UP?!

[@wertelka_1]

No.

[@S2Pot_Gaming]

I didn't think it was an issue either, and I still don't.

[@mattgamei5vods649]

This is so problematic that I can't breathe

[@andrewbomkamp3708]

It's not an issue.

[@mncdssctn9110]

I never considered it an ”issue,” I just found it amusing. And I assumed Nelson did as well, because he has joked about it himself. Just go back to the first fishermen puzzle and see, where they are asked if white wins, if it’s a draw or if black wins, and the first fisherman says ”white wins because it’s always white to play and win on chess vibes.” 😄

[@Adr0nYT_official]

If En passant wasn’t choice:

[@coucou3353]

Nah in the last move, en passant is forced

[@KorpiklaaniLordi]

I think, there is a flaw in this puzzle. After Kb2 Kd1 white loses after d3, but if he plays d4!! (briliant move), black is forced to en passant, as one does. This lets out whites knight and black is lost.

[@mncdssctn9110]

Knight can play d3 regardless of whether the white pawn goes d3 or d4.

[@SF3L]

@@mncdssctn9110nah everyone knows en passant is always forced

[@come.inside.me.join.now.]

I WAITED FOR THAT COMMENT BRO 😂😂😂

[@hinyuchin4724]

@Anonymous-mf7fc en passant is not forced. Just google it.

[@Penguin4096-si9fz]

@@mncdssctn9110 it's possible, but it gives you bad luck

[@adventureboy444]

Actually d4 is a brilliant move cause you are force to take it with d3 and block the Knight from checkmating and now White can starts moving pawn and developing

[@Chomta]

End of racism

[@eugenemansvelt5953]

Move the King

[@yusuf-5531]

Nice checkmate but you missed an en passant

[@MagnusFAN]

I had the exact same position in today's match 🤣

[@itzHasdey]

ah yes i remember having this potition

[@SupaSaiyaJinBlue]

I love how this man also supports black people

[@dqreps]

:(

[@paul_warner]

This solution is wrong because the last move is illegal because you declined en passant

[@baum24_baumbaum18]

Actually the last move vor black is wrong since en passant is forced (disclaimer: this is just a joke I know that this was a legal move)

[@pedromora9927]

En passant is forced!

[@grakuynosc7270]

3:05 if you push it 2 squares black has to en passant and than white escapes and wins 😁

[@TheSkullkid16]

To anyone who complains about the "white to play and win" style to these puzzles.... You need a hobby. Seriously, get an actually hobby. The pieces play exactly the same regardless of them being white or black. Or, here's another idea: Make your own channel where you cover these puzzles, and just swap the colors around! Boom, million dollar idea, you're welcome, you can keep it, that's from me.

[@slyveonnumeros]

Actually, if we are playing black and get these situations, we are going to lose, because it's white to play and win, it's really hard to get these black to play and win with white to play and win situations, you know?

[@jackmclane1826]

I don't care for the color symbolism. I don't like it as white goes up usually.

[@hvnterblack]

Nice, thanks.

[@CheckmateSurvivor]

Knight to g2. The same result but faster.

[@serenalaurence1492]

Knight to G2 loses the game lmao

[@kooba8726]

Knight to g2 from the starting position doesn't have "the same result but faster." In fact, stockfish says white will have a 12 point advantage after that blunder lmao

[@serenalaurence1492]

@@kooba8726 My bro skipped the "black to win" part lmao

[@ZdenekMicke69]

wasted move bro.. its over 1. ... Ng2 2. d3 Nf4 3. dxc4 Nd3+ 4. Kc2 Nc5 5. Nd2+ Kf2 6. Rh1

[@kooba8726]

@@serenalaurence1492 black to play. Winning optional

[@keymasta3260]

And what if we have a mirror position on the chessboard with mate in 1 and without any description and depending on which side moves first, it wins? There should be rules for puzzles

[@DisneyLover-vj5ye]

have a nice day

[@Z.D.i.S.S.]

I AM BLACK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH

[@xxyy2386]

You didn't play en passant????

[@uhoh8616]

I miss your wife playing chess

[@nikolajradosavljevic4773]

Solved

[@ndseer1335]

You're forced to take en passant though...

[@Memedog69420]

Cocododos

[@tykemorris]

I appreciate your effort, but please continue the consistent white wins, unless it is a "who wins? " puzzle. Having file a on the right is confusing. The comments about white always winning is a light hearted joke, such as the coyote always losing to the roadrunner. No serious complaint intended.

[@ContentX94]

On the last move for white if they push the pawn up 2 spaces en passant is forced 😢

[@milkyfernandez5505]

How?

[@ContentX94]

@@milkyfernandez5505 it’s en passant you can’t pass by an opportunity like that

[@milkyfernandez5505]

@@ContentX94 LMAO, naw, bruh! Gotta look for the better move!! Good one though lol

[@DonCorleone964]

I feel like it's more the 'is this a win for white, win for black, or a draw' puzzles that are too obvious when white wins all the time. But in those cases it is of course the player whose turn it is that wins, it is just convention that that player is white. In some puzzles though, the first move is pretty obvious, like when you have to get out of a check or move a pawn closer to promoting. These puzzles could perhaps start after whites opening move with switched colours to get the effect that the side that moves first (white) is the one that loses :)

[@BadChess56]

Honestly... idc

[@Tytoalba777]

Sorry, but en passant is force

[@Th3Par0dyK1ngs]

If white plays d4, en passant is forced tho so you can’t play Nd3#

[@kosnickn]

Sadly you lose if they push the pawn two spaces to forced en passant

[@stevie8893]

3:06 BUT EN PASSANT IS FORCED

[@j.murugan1117]

I like this

[@xanthius100]

Black Pawns Matter?! Or something like this

[@andruha1067]

😂😂😂

[@slyveonnumeros]

It would be funny for him some other day to post a video called "i officially quit chess - Black to play and win" and dont post any video in between one month or six so we would think he would've actually quit chess.

[@Emeri0942]

Rare footage of Nelson trying not to be racist

[@ScarletDeathweaverLegacy]

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