Chevelle: The Beef Between Brothers

[@crazycatman5928]

Point #1 I bought in 99 and became an instant fan. When they got world wide recognition I was happy. It’s always cool to know a band before they become huge.

[@williamhermann6635]

Point #1 is their best album imo. I love that it has that rough garage sound. Its perfect.

[@crazycatman5928]

@@williamhermann6635 yep 👍

[@jynxiejaymes4919]

I seen them in 99 too. They were an opening band for Sevendust in Louisville Kentucky for Gobblestock. Bought their cd that night and Point #1 is the same song that grabbed me. To this day, anyone mentions the band or that car for the matter, my first thought is that song. Carried a deep impact for me. Then I found out Steve Albini was the producer, and of course I was a grunge kid. Either way, making my point, it’s #1. Lol

[@crazycatman5928]

@@jynxiejaymes4919 I was a grunge kid too. SevenDust also rocks. Morgan Rose by far my favorite drummer. Yeah Point #1 blew my speakers out in my car.

[@bloodbeats]

Vena Sera would be the album to get me hooked to Chevelle. After that I would consume the whole catalog. Great band. Pete is an amazing songwriter.

[@alexperez157]

The BASS is the best part of Wonder what’s next!

[@zerozipper4299]

thank Ernie Ball for that.

[@mattiebigtime]

I've met Chevelle several times and when Dean was in the band the three of them always came out together after the shows cheerful and joking around. I think they were the best iteration of the band. I doubt Dean left with any animosity. Seems like he genuinely wanted to spend time with his wife and son after 15 years straight of writing music and touring. I definitely would love to see him back because he's also a drummer and you can hear he added some influence to Sams drum parts.

[@blankearth5840]

I love Point #1, Chevelle have been brilliant from the start!

[@TheJudoJoker]

They've already announced their touring bassist is going to be a guy named Kemble Walters, a guy they've toured with in the past. Sam said it's going to be pretty casual and they know he's eventually going to go on to other projects. They also seem to be on pretty good terms with Dean. His kids are becoming teenagers and he wanted to be there for the important moments, and Pete and Sam support that.

[@shadai2929]

the second part i dont agree. they dont follow each other on social medias anymore. and Pete said the last 2 albums he Pete wrote all the bass parts, Dean was just recording to learn to play live. so now we see Joe was right he was kicked out.

[@godlovesyou1622]

@@shadai2929 how does that prove he was kicked out ?

[@jasonmcmillan4373]

@@shadai2929 I have heard/read ( & treat this comment with the context it deserves given that I am a fan from another country who does not know any of the brothers personally ) that Pete is by and large the controlling force in the band because he is obsessed both with that role, and the band really being his. Sam fits into this dynamic because he is perfectly happy doing so. Joe never did. I imagine that Joe never contributed to writing because Pete largely didn't want him to. Not unless he would do it the way Sam would, which was to always write things together, with no one band member determining the makeup for one song, unless that someone was Pete. Joe strikes me as the younger brother who would throw a tantrum every time his older brothers annoyed him, not gonna lie there. But his killer, heavy, percussive sound as a bass player was something Chevelle was never going to get back after losing him, and Pete & Sam refuse to acknowledge that. As a ( very ) amateur guitarist I can tell you that so much of a players sound is in their fingers and the way they attack their instrument. Joe is one of a kind. He wouldn't, or couldn't, or wasn't allowed to, contribute to the writing of the music, but the way he learnt, played, and just hammered out those bass lines was amazing. It was integral to the sound of those first albums and has been missing ever since. Subsequent albums have been great, but in their own way, and with some of that rumbling 'backbone' missing. You can actually hear Pete's riffage getting heavier through subsequent albums as he tries to cover its absence. Then I heard, too, the rumour that Dean had not actually been writing, but rather learning things that Pete had written. Well then, it sounds like that's what Pete wants, and that fits with the controlling stereotype, but there is worse. It means that to say, 'Joe won't write anything, we are booting him out' was really a weak excuse. Perhaps such an excuse was needed when Joe would show up for work? Who knows. Like most fans I'd just like to know what really happened, but only someone close to the band and yet not caught up in which brothers' side they are on, could possible divulge it, and out of respect for the privacy of the Loefflers perhaps they shouldn't. It's a family business, and it's their business.

[@chevelle1]

@@jasonmcmillan4373 🎯

[@dragonsanddirewolves]

I’m from Illinois and I saw the show they did in Chicago to debut the Vena Sera album and their brother in law Dean, as the bass player. There was an after party, with family and close friends only. People go into shock when I tell them Joe was there. In fact, I spent quite a bit of time talking to him before I realized who I was talking to. 😂🤣 he was cool. But I did notice that they didn’t talk.

[@CONCRETEincorporated]

saw their first show after covid with their bro in law on bass. Just saw them in springfield IL and blood bros was back on bass...ive seen them 20 times...they both deliver

[@JosephSmith-lm4ri]

I think that humanoid is more likely about Joe rather than well enough alone, based on lyrics anyway.

[@kalandarkclaw8892]

Dean was an amazing addition to the band he blended with them so well and loved watching him play live. Was really sad when he decided to depart. But still love Sam and Pete

[@JohnWayne-vf5bs]

Yeah joe bass playing is so legendary and so amazing and Pete vocals and guitar playing skills and Sam drumming skills and GGgarth as producer to make a legendary album

[@ryvvik3772]

sci fi crimes the best albulm evening with el diablo (song) takes some beating, the BAss is sic, but they are all good

[@jlo7770]

Chevelle has really made some fantastic albums. I was just a kid when i heard point #1 then got this type of thinking and was like this is some good music. I, like many, were worried what would happen after the brother left (his name aint worth remembering) and the next two albums are my fav. I can still remember where i was first time i listened to those albums, when i bought them.. theres a handful of awesome albums from that time and the 90s that are still classics... F'ing ashes divide was another album i listened to on repeat. Def a band i wish did more at the time (i know billy released an album in 22 but its not the same) would have loved to hear more damageplan... with teeth (nin) was a good one... fear factory transgression... ahh so much good music came from that time i dont even listen to new music anymore

[@Joe-yg7sr]

I think Chevelle learned about down tuning there guitars by seeing sevendust on tour. Which defiantly changed there sound by there sophomore album.

[@williamhermann6635]

An Evening With El Diablo is the best song on Wonder What's Next by a landslide.

[@byrondean]

100% The bass line that opens that song is right up there with the bass intro to AIC's Would? as far as I'm concerned.

[@screamerjoe27]

I know these guys personally Pete is really telling the truth

[@jordanh806]

I saw chevelle 2 nights ago on Tori with korn and I have to say they are as good as it gets.

[@mrfuriouser]

Great video, thanks for the hard work! My favorite band of all time- my "island" band.

[@morepixels9999]

420 was a great number on the likes but i had to break it. sorry guys. I don't care if these brothers are at each others throats, such is family life. The lyrics and sound are poetry at its core; Highly up for interpretation and just pure in every way. Everyone says that they could not choose a favorite band because of all the different amazing genre's and sounds out there but i can. This is the one!

[@douchecraft3113]

Sam and Pete tried to let Joe save face by saying he chose to leave. Joe was such an idiot he's like, "Actually they had to fire me because I'm such a pain in the @ss!"

[@kalandarkclaw8892]

Everyone loves the red and send the pain below. But no one gives a shout out to an evening to El Diablo and forfeit these are all great songs

[@NocturneMusic]

great songs on a great album

[@ogbee9690]

El Diablo is great, forfeit might be the weakest on that album

[@magmatic8445]

i'd say grab thy hand is my least favorite personally@@ogbee9690

[@jasonmcmillan4373]

Thanks for this video, so many just want to know what really happened, but we probably never will.

[@zb5267]

I had heard a couple Chevelle songs on MTV or fuse rotation in the foyer between classes at college. They were cool, but sounded like every other band in rotation those days. My second year of school a friend gave me this type of thinking and man did that get played. Probably every morning in my shower I would start the album or resume wherever I had left off the day before, Vena Sara absolutely killed and I was so impressed that these three Christian brothers were rocking so hard. I’ve been a lifelong fan. La Gargola and North Corridor are the weakest of the albums but generally I think Chevelle gets better and better with each release. It’s so consistent and yet I want more of the exact same thing always. Love them and wish them well. Some of the best shows to see live.

[@twall91]

I think touting them as still being “Christian “ is pretty inaccurate. They have said their piece on how they keep personal beliefs out of it and I’m pretty certain Pete at least left the faith a long time ago

[@ripulisipulit]

Joe was a non-entity in the band, musically. Haven’t thought about him until I saw this in my suggestions.

[@jlo7770]

Lol same. I thought it was weird when it first happened but man they've released some superior albums Sci fi crimes and Vera Sera were really good without him. I laughed when they had the song "interlude" that was a bass riff almost like a f you lol

[@ripulisipulit]

@@jlo7770 I never saw "Interlewd" as any sort of statement about Joe. Did the band mention this somewhere?

[@twall91]

@@ripulisipulitno. It’s also several albums later after the fact. To insinuate that it had anything to do with Joe is just weirdly obsessive

[@michellemercy2715]

A PIZZA DELIVERY DRIVER!!!!! WHAT! Chevelle is incredible.

[@sarmadferoz1937]

There are other songs on Vena Sera that are much more likely to be about Joe. Multiple other songs. Antisaint: some of the lyrics "He's starting to follow crows, and climbing the ladder somewhere else" could be about betrayal and Joe trying going to other bands. "The stakes are too low... The cleverest acting was the lying by you" Stakes are too low because Joe never actually wrote anything; the other part of the lyric is pretty self explanatory. Straight Jacket Fashion: "Honestly, we last because we're colorful" could again be about how Joe never wrote anything and never seemed that interested in the band anyways. "Honestly, you're overrated anyhow, and currently you spread yourself so thin" Again, pretty self explanatory Humanoid: "I paid you, squeaky wheel" could be about a pay dispute. "Properly holding your grudge, that said you're full of shit" Self explanatory. "why not face today?" Could be about the repeated times Joe quit but just joined back, but now when he is gone for good he doesn't want to face that fact. "Hated work, loved the scene" Joe didn't actually do much to contribute, but loved the limelight of being on tour and in music videos. I Get It: The whole song lol.

[@BC_J0MBI]

Met Pete, Sam, and Joe back in 05' before the show. Sam and Joe were cool and actually took their time to sign stuff and take pictures while Pete said and I quote " I'm too busy, I have to go eat my Quiznos." . This was probably around 6-7 hours before the show started, but from what I remember Joe did stay away from Pete and Sam and kind of stuck to himself.

[@lucaspetri2974]

Man, what an incredible video! Congrats! Would be awesome if you could say which interviews you got the informations...

[@Refugecentral]

Your content is incredible man

[@screamerjoe27]

But also I like all the brothers and I do miss joe being in the band

[@TheFatherof2]

First off I fuckin love this band and have seen them 3 times in my short 20 years on earth. Secondly I come from a huge family of me 5 brothers and 4 sisters and we had 3 antagonists in my house for the longest time and it was really unhealthy. Sadly one of them is gone from this earth due to substance abuse and well enough alone is the Chevelle song I associate with her. And then my one brother is just a know it all and he doesn’t really come around much but when he does he’s just very cocky and acts like he knows everything about everything and I’m just like bruh you work at Amazon and don’t even make 30k a year wtf are you talking about so I associate I get it with him. And my other brother who is just a dead beat dad who probably doesn’t even know his kids birthday even tho it’s the same as mine his little brother bc he’s so fucked up on alcohol and pain pills he can’t see straight and I associate forfeit with him bc everytime he’s around he tries to start fights but he’s so fucked up its effortless kinda like fighting a big toddler and I’m just like stop being like this bro. Families especially big ones like that in a 5 bedroom 2.5 bath house can get crazy asf especially when you only have one parent in the house and they have to work 3 jobs to feed all those children. I was practically raised by my siblings and i love them all but there are always a few outcasts in a family like that and I love them and wish them well, but at the same time I don’t want them coming to Christmas scaring our 80 year old grandparents with there retarded shit.

[@NocturneMusic]

dude this is some family system you got here

[@davidmazon6201]

Yeah and i am sure you are perfect!

[@poison.is.the.cure1994]

Very good video. I think it would be great if you could some day make a video talking about Point #1, and why it turned out the way it did. Have a good day :)

[@NocturneMusic]

thanks very much for the suggestion. best of the day to you too!

[@braxtonc3810]

Joe is currently a manager for Amazon

[@justifystudios5687]

Thanks for making this, I've always wondered about this

[@p1aydumb280]

tbh, point no 1 is my favourite album of theirs. not sure why but always gravitated towards raw first albums over slicker sophmore albums. wonder what's next is a great album, but point no 1 is just better musically to me. love placebo but the drummer they booted after their first album was amazing, change one dynamic and everything changes. no one will give much credit to bassists/drummers but change one or the other and things drastically change.

[@NocturneMusic]

to your point, if sam had left the band, that wouldve been a major problem for chevelle's sound

[@vincenbob1]

Loved your video! As a hardcore chevelle fan.. this sits well with up to the present, chevelle is still badass! Cheers

[@ianstrickland5280]

great video

[@FreakinRican6969]

The way Joe worded that statement following his departure gives off the same vibe of Eddie Van Halen explaining that he never "fired" anyone from VH but that they quit 🤔 denial is strong with this one

[@GothicXlightning]

is sad that they barely play Family System live and no more PRS Drop B tuning awesomeness for me sad changes but yeah Pete deserves a better brother

[@NocturneMusic]

family system is so damn good 😭

[@GothicXlightning]

prob my absolute fav from that great Album of many other good songs but is the one that truly gets me the most and from the very beginning that ffffffffying Riff man 🤙

[@SchizoidPersonoid]

I always figured I Get It was about Joe mostly because of the bridge Humanoid as well

[@NoOneRockandRoll]

Fantastic work my friend. This checks out!

[@GearStuffandThings]

Albini is a particular engineer. It was just a bad call to work with him based in their genre.

[@zerozipper4299]

Albini is all about that old analog tech. I watched a video of him recording a band in the early 90's and he dangled a $4k mic from a string attached to the ceiling and called that his "secret" lol

[@GearStuffandThings]

@@zerozipper4299 I love albini. He’s into all audio tech old and new. I respect his work. Chevelle just was a band choice

[@simplezgoof]

@@zerozipper4299 He did that on Failures golden documentary when they recorded Comfort in 92. Amazing record

[@Roger-il8iw]

I was surprised to learn they started as a Christian band

[@derekgregg9009]

Not quite correct. They were on a Christian label they themselves asked the label not to promote them in a Christian way but it was inevitable. They parted ways with the label because of that

[@CamronWilliams-ii4tl]

This was a shame because they were amazing

[@makidiaz3894]

Why were people so attached to the bassist brother? He didn’t even write any of the music he basically played bass live. He had a cool look, but that’s about it. Dean was the shit!

[@chaydaddy698]

I literally couldn’t even explain to you why I’m so invested in him to be honest either, all signs should point me to not like him but I think what makes everyone like him without even realizing is that it’s just wanting the three brothers to succeed and rock out together, plus his backing vocals on send the pain below are like the best part of the song in my opinion

[@trainofthough0242]

He played bass on their 2 best albums and two of the best sounding bass albums ever at that. That probably has a lot to do with the fan admiration of him.

[@derekgregg9009]

Hero worship

[@westywest4480]

Joe has A KZbin channel. I asked him to touch on playing music but he more or less respectfully declined. I wish him All the best. He was truly underrated.

[@NocturneMusic]

seems Teslas are more his passion these days

[@johnsaltzohuigin6660]

Got most of their major lyrics from me off the Manson forums. Fact!

[@twall91]

Ahhh schizophrenia at its finest 👨🏻‍🍳 🤌

[@kevinc8369]

Chevelle was actually formed in 1994

[@wernerrou]

I think Joe was just really young and didn't know how to deal if you are 15 and you brothers 21 and 18 it must have been hard being exposed to rock and role. But it looks like Joe grew up and grew into his skin. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laPaf5egqcilrK8si=7RgH8wpTYGojPxnp

[@terrancepemberton4648]

rather than the song well enough alone, I think the song humanoid is about Joe instead

[@ahhwe-any7434]

Foreverrrr- the sandlot kid

[@shadai2929]

great video! just somethings: the O is silent so pronounces Leffler. Well enough alone is definitely about Joe, so they dont play live this song anymore. I dont think Joe had substances. The Jesus part they grew up Christians but now Pete is agnostic. Joe is now a lawyer I guess.

[@miguelangelcaceres9897]

Can you send me a link where he states that he quit Christianity, because I can't find that, thanks

[@NocturneMusic]

pete and sam did an interview with loudwire where pete was talking about the song "a miracle" and that a part of it was about him becoming an agnostic

[@RadReviews777]

They were never Christians, they were Catholics. They've joked around before at least on two occasions about how they're "recovering Catholics"

[@jasonmcmillan4373]

@@RadReviews777 Errr, Catholics are Christians, it's not like it's a whole 'nother religion like Islam or Buddhism ya know.

[@RadReviews777]

@@jasonmcmillan4373 Ah, I didn't know that lol

[@donniedarko444]

How can you do a documentary, and don't even know how many God damn siblings they have?

[@willian4428]

Chevelle hasn't been the same since Joe.

[@Nedspaulding1234]

What about the Blue Album??

[@NocturneMusic]

i completely forgot about this 😞

[@Nedspaulding1234]

@@NocturneMusiclol it’s cool, lotta people don’t know about The Blue Album .