This is Why BJJ Training Makes Your Grappling Worse (at least for a while)

[@ryanlynch290]

I was rolling with a frequent training partner who was strong, but uncoordinated and spazzy. I told him during a roll once, "Jeff, you're hard to go against, because everything you do is wrong." He actually laughed his ass off and said, "You just described my whole life." My coach almost fell over.

[@ragweedmakesmesneeze]

What's interesting to me is that the new guys are actually providing the experienced grapplers with honest pressure testing. I mean, if any of us have an ideas of the martial arts we practice are good for self-defense, then in a way we should welcome these kinds of encounters to put us to the test.

[@MakeYouFeelBetterNow]

Yeah I had a pro rugby player throw me off, like a bench press, when I had side control and knee on belly. Never had that happen before.

[@MakeYouFeelBetterNow]

I don't mind the new white belts, especially super strong guys. It represents what you might encounter on the street, in an altercation, and there is value in me training for that. I had a guy once try to rip my vocal cords out of my throat with his hands, and while I was surprised and offended that he would try (at the time), looking back it was a valuable experience and I was happy I was able to handle it easily.

[@TheChadavis33]

Always tell the guys I’m teaching “ROLL WITH THE BEGINNERS.” You always need to feel that chaos and know how to mitigate it. The “game” of jiu jitsu doesn’t work the same way with them. You need to learn how to contain, control, and then sub.

[@gedamski]

Makes total sense. I had this happen recently with a newbie white belt.. I think another part of it is fight or flight. They are dumping adrenaline and those of us who do this regularly are not (or maybe a tiny bit) adrenaline helps a lot in a fight. Anyway great vid as usual thanks Chewster

[@abracadabra7779]

Man I needed to hear this. I'm a newish blue belt in my late 30's. I get these big young guys coming in and I'm fighting for my life and losing at times (which I'm fine with). Felt like I couldn't apply the new stuff I learned on these guys and had to go a bit primal. Thanks for the wisdom like always.

[@squidguard1]

I’m a 28 year old competitive brown belt who finds rolling with brand new beginners more awkward than rolling with seasoned competitors My jiu jitsu feels ugly in those kind of rolls because they aren’t actually doing jiu jitsu. They’re so unorthodox that the patterns and muscle memory go out the window. I usually just end up mounting them and giving them the mother’s milk so I can control their spazzyness lol.Don’t worry about it too much

[@hansfranz9914]

@@squidguard1 ha ha i remember taking the mother's milk early on. now i know how to avoid that position or counter.

[@abracadabra7779]

@@squidguard1 haha good old mother's milk...helps you grow big and strong. Thanks for the comment.

[@adamhickey1850]

@@squidguard1 Exactly! That's my strategy too. Mother's milk the shit out of those spazzy new guys haha. Otherwise you risk injury. And playing guard against the big new guys sucks too. I won't get tapped but can really hurt your neck if they get on top.

[@Neviksir]

Late 30s is nothing dude. Your jj sucks just admit

[@jamestk656]

It's the spazzy brand new white belt syndrome. You have to protect yourself at all times. I'd even say that anyone right off the street should be paired with much bigger and more experienced partners for a week or two until they learn what to do and how to react to the fight or flight instinct within the confines of the gym and you're sure they're not going to slam anybody or anything (I've seen a guy try to do that on his very first day lol).

[@af4396]

I saw a grown woman pick up a girl that had her closed guard on her, and she started spinning around trying to fling off the girl with the closed guard haha... I went over and stopped that immediately but yah people do crazy stuff.

[@Penaltybox66]

We’ve all been there. Let’s not forget where we all come from.

[@sugoi9680]

@@Penaltybox66 Hell no lol. What kind of dumbass would try to slam someone on their head in training.

[@muysantos2859]

had a member injured a spine cause the new guy suplexed him..

[@atrainbrady3208]

​@muysantos2859 I hope the new guy was disciplined and that the member wasn't hurt too badly.

[@TraderZeta]

As a white belt who started 3-4 months ago, I have noticed this from the other side. Many a times I was a able to muscle my way through certain moves because of my powerlifting background and I wasn't really being technique oriented. I could tap higher belts if I just used raw strength and some luck but I wasn't really learning any skill. As you said, I was also just blown out every training session and I was scolded a few times for being extra. I calmed down a lot, and realized that observing what other higher belts do in those situations means more than getting a muscled tap. Also, because when it comes to people my size that advantage isn't there so skill means more in the long run. Lastly, etiquette is huge. Showing respect and actually learning rather than wearing ego on the sleeve is so much more important. Being realistic with expectations and coming with an open mindset means more I think.

[@wrenandrews3782]

Also keeping your training partner safe is big man. Most people train as a hobby and if you are just grabbing limbs or necks and yanking on them nobody will want to roll with you.

[@Rye_-kq3jn]

I’m a week into my training. Weigh in at 220lbs and came from a weightlifting background. No fight experience. On my first night my partner (purple belt) told me to focus on using correct technique and body mechanics instead of trying to muscle through everything. Awesome advice and made the sweep we were learning that night much easier on my body.

[@ThatIndyFan]

@@Rye_-kq3jnwelcome to the addiction!

[@MyZ001]

Yea, it honestly kinda annoying having all these new guys come in and trying to prove that they can "tap the blue belt" or whatver TF it is, even though they're just doing random shit to muscle there way into a win. IT's like cool, you "found a way to win". that's great if you were in a street fight, but do you wanna actually try to learn bjj now or what

[@PerfectoKiss]

Wow! Great explanation! I am 9 mos into my training and this is exactly what is happening to me. It seems I was much more formidable in the beginning and now that I am trying to apply the techniques, I don’t last as long. It is very deflated but I came to the same conclusion that I have to stick it out as this is the road to get better and it is a transformation. Appreciate the explanation. It is extremely humbling.

[@jamesproctor6700]

Definitely just stick with it. You will be at class one day and notice you don't gas and have a good sense of your tank.

[@gomugomu95]

I'm a 5,4'' 125lbs blue belt, so I have a target on my back every time a new guy shows up, which makes those rolls way more dangerous for me than against other teammates. They just don't want to lose against a man half their size, so they use a lot of strength and energy to win, but like you said I usually play it safe and wait until they're cooked. Sometimes it throws them off and they never come back, but those who really want to learn get motivated by the fact that a little hobbit like me can choke them out with this bjj stuff, and they adapt quite quickly.

[@lordad]

Dude(or Girl) with 125lbs you have to be a real killer blue belt to have a chance vs anyone. I am 183lbs which is on the lighter side in our gym (most guys are ~200lbs). Once in a while i roll with 145lbs guys and its pretty sad that most of the time i can just easily power out of every position when using only 70% strength >-

[@mattc236]

You need to gain weight. You're too small. I'm the same height and I'm 170

[@gomugomu95]

I'm a guy and I weigh 65kg so I have to correct myself, I'm 145lbs. And yeah, power is definitely not on my side, but against beginners like we talk about in the video, I'm usually ok, I mostly have to avoid their dumb moves and wait until they gas out.

[@UnskilledGrappler]

Bruce Lee talked about how when he was untrained, a kick was just a kick and a punch was just a punch. After training for a while, a kick became more than a kick, and a punch became more than a punch. Once he understood the art, a kick was just a kick and a punch was just a punch.

[@RicoMnc]

Ah man, thank you so much, I really needed to hear this. I'm an old, small blue belt and I still can get shut down and overwhelmed by new younger, larger, stronger white belts. The ones closer to my size I can usually handle ok, but I still have to be diligent and disciplined to manage my intensity, use my experience to slow and settle them down. When the strength/size differential reaches a certain point this becomes much more difficult.

[@adamhickey1850]

Don't be discouraged by that. Most important thing is to keep learning and avoid injuries at that stage. Once you become a seasoned blue belt/purple belt you will notice it's getting easier to handle those situations. Keep it up!

[@af4396]

As someone who is quite humble, non-competitive and (I think) has a small ego, I never understood "Leave your ego at the door" until I was a blue belt with expectations of performance set on me, that had to learn that it was OK to get tapped by bigger/younger/higher level white belts. Now I'm chill about it and it's actually helping me improve, but yah it wasn't till I got a higher belt that I felt like I had to "protect" my ego. I'm past that now but I'm glad I had that lesson early on, because I can't imagine getting a black belt and still having that ego when rolling with competitive purple belts and up.

[@MattBreaux-q3p]

CHEWY listen brother i've been doing jijitsu for four years now and I want you to know i have watched your chaNNEL SENSE THE BEGGING. Thank you for the wisdom man. I owe you alot.

[@gavinschneider7420]

When i roll with a new or spazzy white belt i treat it like a fight where I'm not allowed to hurt them back. Stay tight and assume nothing.

[@enthusiast0]

Guess what newbies are the closest thing to a real fight. They don't play by our stupid BJJ rules...I love it because it really tests me. In my guard they don't try and escape, they try and choke me out and stack me. Hard to deal with

[@wrenandrews3782]

Yeah I’ve noticed that too. It always throws me off lol. I had a white belt try to kimura me from my closed guard for like a full minute and I was so confused.

[@Chewjitsu]

Agreed. It’s great to understand how an untrained person would react in the streets.

[@paulh32042]

Thats when most white belts quit. When they have to conform to the rules. Which typically coincides with other belts stepping up the pressure. Or if someone holds onto the spaz too long, they get a brutal roll or two and get their ego shattered.

[@cobraarms2466]

It’s so fun to do that 😂

[@opplez1159]

ive felt this same thing. im a 155lb three stripe white belt and i find i can kinda sorta hang with the new blue belts, but a new guy whos around 200lbs gives me hell... ive always assumed it comes down to effort. a trained grappler doesnt blow their wad in the first 2 minutes or hang onto anything for dear life where a new guy will. i have found if i control my breathing, use good leverage, and wait for them to get tired i can eventually do whatever i want to them. but for the first couple minutes if they grab onto my head? im in some trouble lol

[@wrenandrews3782]

Same

[@UpTownPuddle]

I agree with this I also feel like when someone new comes to our gym I’m usually more nervous or anxious to roll with them just not knowing there skill level. Which means I’m tense and not thinking about my movements as much. But the more they train at our gym the easier they feel because I get more comfortable with them. Just my two cents..

[@mitchdermer4359]

Love it thanks Chewy!

[@timrob0420]

Bro it’s cool to see jiu jitsu is getting so popular in Myrtle Beach. I grew up in that area, but currently live outside of Seattle (where we have a HUGE Jiu jitsu and fight community). Keep up the good work. Been loving your content for years.

[@666sk8erguy]

I wouldn’t call western Washington’s jiu jitsu seen HUGE but maybe in comparison to the southern USA it is…

[@timrob0420]

@@666sk8erguymaybe not with pros but there are a lot of people that practice bjj here as a hobby and also pro fighters that come out of this area as well

[@ImZyker]

i was prepared to die rather than submit and didnt know how bad i can get injured when i started so i was beating almost everyone in the gym... after i snapped my shoulder, ankle and knee and no one wanted to roll with me anymore i kinda got the hint that we are there to learn not spazz out

[@NavigatingTheMats]

This is good stuff! Thanks for sharing!

[@joealias2594]

This is actually why I really enjoy rolling with super fresh white belts. I want to if I can overcome totally non-technical (or at least non-jiu-jitsu) movements, general tensing, full-effort on every moment. I don't want to feel like I have jiu jitsu that only works against people who know jiu jitsu.

[@HomeSportsZone]

A lot of guys doing Jiu Jitsu don't strength train in my gym ...only doing Jiu Jitsu but neglect the physicality aspect which is still very important.. Strength training, Mobility training and grip Strength helps a whole lot..36 yr ol blue belt 190 lb...White belts even the bigger, younger spazzier ones not much of a problem in my opinion because there is enough Strength and physicality ready at a moments notice if needed which would not be possible without consistent Strength and mobility training outside of the Jiu Jitsu Gym. I have still have a lot to learn but a phylosophy that has worked well for me thus far "Strength is my Defense. Technique is my Offense" (Also I was an athlete in my youth which is part of that equation) ...Overall it is harder to submit and have your way with stronger people. Strong people also cause more fatigue when dealing with them..its like going against a brick wall..To deal with the football players definitely getting stronger and technically sharper is a great idea...what makes them so challenging is exactly that.. their Strength..higher Strength than the typical jiu jitsu practitioner in my opinion

[@MakeYouFeelBetterNow]

There are other reasons. The white belts are going to use strength (they don't know technique) and the strength of an athlete or even someone who works with their hands like a plumber, is considerable. If you're not used to that, you can get caught by surprise. I've seen a brown belt tapped by a construction worker white belt because the young brown belt was too cocky. Would he be able to do it again, no, but because he was complacent, he got him. People get "worse" because they stop using strength and start trying to learn technique, so they can roll with a variety of people in the gym.

[@strider7008]

There is a lot of mutual engagements that dont exist on the street that bjj develops that are inherent biases over time. It is ground fighting so wẹ learn not to get up, play bottom etc because that is how wẹ are often taught. Just one example.

[@adamhickey1850]

This is spot on! It's like any new skillset. Starting out at something like typing you might be faster looking at the keyboard and pecking with one finger. But to really progress you have to type with proper form and you will have a regression from your previous method. Then at some point you will be much better. As an aside I'm an older purple belt. I've noticed when going against the newer (especially bigger) white belts I can't play passive. It's best to quickly establish control and minimize space. I usually get in mount and practice smothering them and staying in a dominant position.

[@michaelbarnhill2685]

Outstanding video. The instructor and I would this to my advantage, when focues training on the old school juijitsu punch block. We would drill concepts for a while, with live sparring from the instructor to help me pressure test it.... then bring in another student stronger than me, that i had not sparred with, so no pattern recognition.... Then have them swing hard and heavy, agressively, to allow me to work under that chaos. The leanring curve was far faster, and more thorough than training soft juijitsu patterns.

[@0newingedcrow]

The biggest thing about rolling against new white belts that drives me crazy is that they always seem to accidentally blast me in the face. I swear, I've been kicked and kneed in the face more times while rolling (especially with white belts) than I ever have while sparring in Muay Thai. I don't know how the hell that's possible but it's the truth!

[@asdfloschikosdelbarrio2724]

lmao as a new white belt that sees other do this (i'm never spazzy actually, just focusing on techniques, which makes me always lose to spazzers in the short term lmao) but i kinda see that most of the time this happened in my gym was because of white belts not having body awareness, just being plain stressed out while rolling and not having any iq in the spatial awareness department

[@ryanoconnor5867]

I've always compared shiny new grapplers to people who button mash when they first start a video game. Once they learn the intricacies of the game they then become easy to beat.

[@brendanbonus3211]

Pretty good comparison bro😂

[@bernie4366]

When I trained I dealt with new guys who were younger and stronger and more athletic than me by mostly letting them spaz out and move around. I would just defend any submissions and sweep them if they got a good position so they had to start again. Eventually they would gas out or settle down. At that time I could roll hard for 15-20 minutes straight. Very few of the new guys could, even if they were coming in from a different sport. None of the above applies to wrestlers, of course. They're beasts from day one and you just have to fight.

[@mattc236]

People are scared of the spazzy athletic white belts. They try to castrate their spazziness by calling them spazzy. Spazzy is good with technique but they want them softer cuz they give them a hard time so they tell them to stop spazzing

[@3rod3reelfishing19]

47 year old blue belt. When I roll with a newbie I just focus on not getting hurt. Like you said, I typically find that after a minute or so they’re completely gassed and then I can do with them as I wish lol. I will say though that it’s not the 20 something white belt that makes me nervous, it’s the 35+ dude. Each roll is like a life or death struggle for them and they think they constantly have to go hard.

[@neonbelly9491]

i think the worst part about blue is that you cant just chill in class anymore. theres always one white belt who wants the smoke.

[@chrisc5537]

Haha. Your blue belt comes accompanied by a target on your back, and with each promotion that target gets bigger and bigger!

[@lordad]

@@chrisc5537 yeha so true lol purple is definitely the worst though.... all the brown and blackbelts want to show that they can dominate a purple and the upcomming blues want to show that they are ready for purple..... the only guys you can have a chill roll then is with other purple belts T_T

[@muysantos2859]

as 20 year old you name it, those 35+ dudes always roll like madman

[@dynamicsoulslayer]

I started as that guy 5 years ago, and id laugh while doing it coz it was fun, new and exciting. Now as an enforcer I hunger for this kind of action. Still laugh and have a great time too, the more bro sees red the funnier it becomes, its the best!

[@tonyshoeball7759]

When I got back into BJJ after like 5 years or so, I knew my gas tank was nothing, I knew I had roughly 2minutes of rolling until I would be dead unless I found places I could rest. I started to adopt my game using a lot of cradles from wrestling, body lock passes, and finding other stalling types of holds to give myself 20-30+ seconds to rest once I got there. Eventually as my cardio and conditioning and skill grew, I started to keep this kind of game which focused on grinding out my opponent, holding them in positions, and cooking my opponent over the course of a 5 or now even 10 minute roll. I have found this approach to be not only the most success I've had on the mats, but also the least overall taxing to my joints, and body.

[@ryansmith9138]

I looove rolling with those 20s super agressive guys, especially if they come in cocky. its great to see their whole world crumble when they come to the realisation they are not as good as they imagined they would be after watching all that mma lol :D the key is to do it while using as little effort as possible

[@TheKro16]

You sound like you have a sensitive ego yourself.

[@af4396]

I do the same thing with new people. It's funny how some people say stuff like "Closed guard/Mount Control/Pick some other traditional BJJ position" is irrelevant and doesn't work.... except these are still 100% the best positions against new people that won't get you injured and will give you A LOT of control. Traditional BJJ is clearly a martial art, and "modern" BJJ is clearly sport focused. Both are important to learn on your path to a black belt, but the shade that traditional BJJ gets is ridiculous sometimes, when that's exactly the stuff you need to know to feel safe against a maniac on the mats.

[@toadtoadhall]

Superb explanation

[@FR-ty5vn]

1000% - the one thing I’d add is the young wrestlers, marines, football players come in hot, but we then explain they can keep doing that, but they’ll actually improve faster if the use less muscle and focus more on technique.

[@heymelon]

I have never thought this. Maybe this is more of a thing if you don't roll hard every now and again? But yes the whitest of belts do come with their own challenges and use a lot of force at you sometimes very unpredictably but still, it's not often hard to out grapple people if they have no grappling experience. If it gets annoying I feel you can lead them to use force a certain way and redirect for a sweep, or just let them gas themselves out on you while you play defense. Blue belts can be actually tough.

[@af4396]

I think it comes from Blue Belts that haven't learned that fundamental "self-defense" strategies and positions. I'm a blue belt that's still very ignorant on leg locks, for examples, but I've got a great closed guard and good (for my level) mount retention, and although I'm always nervous about going up against a spazzy white belt, once I lock them in I never feel threatened or like I'm going to get injured.

[@heymelon]

@@af4396 I get that. But just like you say you might have a weakness to leg attacks but I can't see the average beginner having less of a weakness there. They might spazz out harder which is a great opportunity to practice better control. Maybe they can get out of a sub or two with pure energy dump that a blue belt who is practicing correct defenses would tap to, but that also means they will be gassed out pretty soon I feel.

[@gohogsgo123]

Totally agree with this assessment thanks

[@gaetanmarcelin9813]

such a nice topic

[@SpidermAntifa]

It's the transition from being good at being bad at it to being bad at being good at it, then being good at being good at it

[@sarahcarabotcolours9517]

I would think the sympathetic nervous system comes into play a bit here too. The body and brain are viewing the roll as a threat to their safety so the fight/flight/freeze symptoms come out as well which can look spazzy. When I first started, I would actually freeze, almost disassociate even.

[@lordad]

I think the guy asking the question sees it kinda wrong . The main reason new physical strong whitebelts feel "dangerous" is often just that they go soo hard in the first round. like they treat rolling as a competition to win. They arent really dangerous but if you are a fresh blue belt yourself almost nothing you try offensivly will work since they just power rip out of everything you do. The thing is though after that 4 minutes they are completely done... and they go to a new guy and realize they dont have another 4 minutes in their tank.... after some time they come to awareness that they need to change their strategy and conserve energy the first rounds. And thats when you as a beginner blue belt suddently dominate them. And due to your unexperience you mistakenly get a feeling as if they got worse despite 3-4 months of training.

[@dustinlerch9272]

Another banger!

[@loveemaaron]

Awesome advice thank you

[@wojciechsawicki4733]

it happens especially when there is a strength/weight difference in favor of the newbie

[@ChristopherBlieka]

As a recent blue belt myself I think I speak for all of us when I say that I'm 100% here for Chewy's bearded wisdom and *not* to salve my oh-so-frequently bruised ego. ("Blue belt blues" is real; it happens every time a white belt beats me.)

[@badart3204]

I think the thing people need to realize is that you need to use a different strategy for new people. I used to always be used as the guy who rolls with new people bc I was small and not intimidating so I learned you really have to suffocate the space and pin people till they get tired to not get struck with flailing limbs.

[@mrcuddles2199]

Not to get nerdy but this applies to video games as well. If you play any fighting game a new player (or masher) can sometimes get wins over more skilled players just by doing completely random and “wrong” or unsafe movements.

[@michaelmazzei9037]

I had a tennis player say the same thing about hitting balls with newer players. Sometimes it would throw him off because the other player wouldn't react in a way that he expected, because they hadn't built up the "conventional wisdom" in that sport.

[@lucassmith2332]

Also once they start grasping the concept there trying to learn what not to do. When first took a new person's back chin was up after awhile of reminding them chin starts to go down. They recognize I don't want the rear naked choke and then they play ok defense. They are going slower now trying not to get trapped or looking for away out.

[@jordancundiff1433]

I've recently went into my local BJJ gym at the recommendation of my coworker. The black and purple belts whom were lighter than me just outright let me gas myself out then went in for the choke. Very fun trying to beat their tactics.

[@DePistolero]

I joined a gym about 8 months ago... first 4 weeks were pure hell they thought I was a professional wrestler because I was wearing a simmilar dress below my T-shirt, and it was a biking dress... I had no wrestling whatsoever, so stronger belts anninhalated me absolutely every training... and sure as hell I was dumping adrenaline and was going all out every time....

[@mikemulvey5789]

Young football player can be translated to, really strong athletic guy with no technique with excellent athletic attributes. This is where BJJ falls flat on its face in comparison to wrestling, Muay Thai, boxing, etc. BJJ practitioners need to get it through their heads technique is not everything. Yes its the most important thing, but all the other arts emphasize cardio, explosiveness, strength etc. I do not understand why BJJ guys refuse to accept this (the sport/competitors all know it and train S&C). Your struggling with the new guy because you need to be in better shape, your technique (should) automatically be better than their technique.

[@eamonob84]

I don’t think it’s the case (at least not nowadays) that BJJ players don’t think strength training is important. A lot of the people at my gym are lifting as well.

[@trxscreed]

New white belts roll with a "life or death" mentality. There's been a few that I rolled with that I would have to talk them out of a panic as I started putting pressure on them, and honestly, I enjoy rolling with brand new white belts. They give you that same energy you would get if you would have to use your Jiu-Jitsu "on the street".

[@drjaimetobon]

I do the exact same as you Chewie! I have different games for different body types and skill levels. I have a more self defense/mma game and then a more sport jiujitsu game

[@davidhaas3111]

The same thing exists in chess. New people don’t play how they are expected to play, so you can’t make them react how you need them to. Doesn’t necessarily make them a tougher opponent, just kinda tricky.

[@Jimi1124]

Alot of times Bjj guys mistake strength, conditioning and athleticism for "spazz". Unfortunately I would venture to say 80% of you don't walk into a weight room and that's a huge deal. Bottom line is technique always struggles with strength....especially if the stronger opponent has excellent conditioning. He can squeeze when there's nothing there. He can explode just to go nowhere..and all the technique and skill in the world is still going to struggle that.....because bjj doesn't really have a counter to strength but STRENGTH. if you notice your stronger practioners ( of all ranks) who live in the weight room only struggle against skilled opponents on or above their level ( STRENGTH WISE)

[@SwordFighterPKN]

Well said!

[@MoshJunkie426]

Ive had a big influx of some pretty young and very tough white belts. Theyre young, strong and athletic and many higher belts overlook that. But im at the point where a person needs to be more than just strong to get me, im in danger for a minute or so at the start but theyll make those white belt mistakes if you pay attention

[@benzun9600]

Many blue belts need to return their belts and get the white belt back. If you cannot handle an untrained athletic white belt you should not have a blue belt. Only exception if they are 50+ lbs and much stronger than you

[@reeseexplains8935]

Belts don’t matter. Don’t worry about rank.

[@yo2stix]

As a 46 year old brand new white belt that was a tough wrestler in the 90’s I much rather roll with blue belts. The whites are spazz boys and more frustrating and less fun to roll with. I cross faced the heck out of one last week for continuing to stand up on me as we started on our knees. He complained to the professor…I think I made him mad…professor laughed.

[@dudeman209]

It just means these guys need to wrestle more. If you're wrestling, you should find it easier to beat up new white belts unless they're wrestlers.

[@julianramirez1096]

They’re lazy to wrestle and a lot of people are crybabies if you can’t beat a snazzy white belt might as well quit

[@statcmf4199]

I don’t roll with inexperienced white belts because it’s always a fight. My training is geared to improve between fights. My focus has to be staying healthy to acquire skills. Plain and simple.

[@PanicGiraffe]

coward

[@Chewjitsu]

Did people roll with you when you were inexperienced?

[@PanicGiraffe]

This is such a sad mindset. You're clearly just trying to protect your ego.

[@terrellkluting5370]

It’s so true white belts are some of my toughest rounds

[@bradlopez3681]

The other thing that is happening is you will get people like me who are great wrestlers and that gives people a hard time but as we start to explore bjj and try new positions and moves we are not sharp there yet so it feels like we are getting worse because we are learning a new game.

[@bepratt]

It sounds a lot like watching someone in MMA who's "unorthodox" in their style. They can be a challenge until people "figure them out"

[@donniehallaman7685]

With young strong new people , I just weaponize defense , I let them tire themselves out buy squeezing so hard and not catching me , or jumping around like crazy, then when I finally engage I am fresh and I can time things perfect. A lot of times they say to me wow that seemed so effortless, you used no strength, I thought I had you, etc etc etc , hopefully after a year or two of this they catch on,, or they quit either way don't have to deal with it anymore from that person lol

[@williamsmith8790]

Because they are still wild. Like what Walt Bayless would call the “120 second Hercules.” Blue belt has got more skills, but he’s trying to make what he’s doing look like JiuJitsu instead of exploding on you like a wild chimp.

[@Frankhauthorne]

Before watching the video I would say you’re getting better but they’re getting less spazy. Spazy people are hard to deal with unless you’re willing to severely hurt them. In training you try not to hurt people

[@GaryLiseo]

Untrained people can be unpredictable

[@benzun9600]

well that is fine what is the point of JJ if you cannot handle an untrained JJ strong kid

[@martialartness]

OR how about we also address the fact that when you get into any martial art you tend to get comfortable and start playing the game. Thereby leaving behind that fight or flight instinct. This could also work against you as it is a necessary part of combat sports.

[@anonanon5927]

I guess this is what they call 'Blue Belt Blues'

[@LastRellik]

I'm the white belt who was pretty good at the beginning but somehow suck now lol. About 2.5 months training now

[@michaelsingJiuJitsu]

So your the spazzy unpredictable guy that eveyone keeps tight so you don't hurt them or yourself... got it lol

[@LastRellik]

@@michaelsingJiuJitsu yeah, except they got submitted anyway

[@donnuyen9858]

@@LastRellik damn player. Sign up for worlds asap!!!

[@paul8972]

Sorry but you weren't good and I thought that was about to read 2.5 years 😂

[@juanlopez154]

How can u say pretty good as a beginner and then proceed to say 2.5 months training😂😂😂😂 you are still a beginner dude

[@damanOts]

The fact that i can answer these questions and im a white belt makes me realize why there are 4 year white belts.

[@Legion852]

People also need to start to learn the difference between competitors and hobbyist..... 3-4 strip white belt competitor will be a harder roll then a 1-2 strip blue belt hobbyist . Don't let the belt fool you. I'm a 3 strip white belt hobbyist and we have a 2 strip blue belt competitor in our school and he competes a lot. He's a harder roll then the hobbyist purple belts in our school. No its not cause the purple belts are going easier on me.

[@tamamalosi]

I'm not always a spazz when I roll, but whenever I roll I claw eyes, bite, scream, spit and shout like I'm being murdered. My pool of rolling partners has progessively gotten smaller. I must be a genuine mat bada$$! 🥋🦍😎💪❤.

[@mcpicoolek]

I'm a white belt myself. Hate training with other low level bjj players. Pure pleasure is to roll with purples and above.

[@cocacolacan1550]

How long have you been training?

[@tededo]

purples and above ? What about blue belts ???

[@sdot18]

​@tededo he's obviously too good for those slobs.

[@mcpicoolek]

@@tededo Sometimes blue belts have same tendency as white - prove a point.

[@mcpicoolek]

@@cocacolacan1550 4 months, regularly.

[@RaveyDavey]

Yeah after while ppl fall into BJJ patterns which are easier to deal With as they’re predictable but not very good.

[@mdavissq3d]

Always follow this rule when rolling with a new white belt you have never faced before. When you are in guard, always have your hands up. It will save you accidental black eyes lol

[@jsieunarine]

Highest injury rates ....NWB(new white belt)😂

[@chrisc5537]

Because newbies don’t know the “rules” of training. They’re not trying to learn and practice techniques. They’re trying to survive and kill you on the mats!!! LOL

[@sedonasugarloaflodge7971]

bro... your nuckles are scaring my arthritic hands.

[@Chewjitsu]

They don't hurt.

[@NavyGuero83]

I haven't even watched this video yet and as a blue belt I can verify this. I got my as$ handed to me by a green belt, like 14 yrs old or something. LOL. In my defense, I have had 3 knee surgeries.

[@SoulEagle]

This why we enlist em young. Military dont recruit senior citizens.

[@determinedlyunmotivated4300]

This happened to me.

[@RexWu]

White belts are the most dangerous people in the room. All energy, 0 technique, pure chaos.

[@eddiehazard3340]

i've never been in a gym where this happened. white belts get romped by blue belts.

[@yogsothoth-tz2bu]

If the blue belt is 30+ and avarage seize and the white belt is a mutant freak natural athlete 20 something old, yes the blue belt wins, but is hard.

[@eddiehazard3340]

@@yogsothoth-tz2bu i don't think I've ever seen a Straight Blast Gym blue belt tap to a white belt. I guess it might happen. But a blue belt is a blue belt for a reason. If a new white belt can tap him, he needs his money back. I don't really see an advantage between a 20 year old and a 30 year old. A 30 year old man is actually entering his athletic prime...

[@benzun9600]

Its all in the gym, when I was a white belt after 5 months I began to man handle the blue belts who had been doing it for 2-3+ years.

[@eddiehazard3340]

@@benzun9600 yep. but when it comes down to it, that means they "weren't really blue belts".

[@solotx8798]

Reminds me of the time I went to my local chess club and beat all the best players there even though it was the first time I ever played chess in my life, I didn't even know what piece does what I just kinda moved them around randomly.

[@pcprinciple3774]

Sorry but just don't relate to this at all. I just don't find anything difficult about sparring white belts. Hardest rolls are blue belts who were green belts as kids (because they tend to be fast), or black belts who are just that technical. I just don't see what's difficult about strong, enthusiastic people with fuck all base and who leave limbs out.

[@michaelpeters6659]

Jokes on all of you I’m still a spazy blue belt 😂 jk but I could t agree more rolling with the strong heavy athletic new guys is a great why to test and challenge yourself

[@nicolaslaquier]

That egg on your face is reoccurring. Same place every time.

[@josephsmith5864]

wym?

[@workerskrunch6505]

@@josephsmith5864 chews got a hematoma looking thing above his left eyebrow

[@Chewjitsu]

I’ve had it since I was born.

[@nicolaslaquier]

Interesting, I only notice it occasionally. I thought it was a lump from an elbow or something.

[@FR-ty5vn]

@@Chewjitsu seriously? I just assumed you kept catching elbows, etc.

[@saulsaenz5146]

Yall dont be hard on the newbie spaz 👋🏼 im sure if u think hard enough, u can recall a couple of your whitebelt rolls with cringe 😅

[@tbcstuff3634]

Nah, white belts are easier.

[@DangerDude420]

Maybe some of you guys were just given your blue belts to soon

[@MrNeCr01]

I had about 3 months of highschool wrestling experience and was always a heavyweight with a little belly on top, so 10 years later I decided to join a BJJ gym out of curiosity and to lose some weight, as I was pushing 250lbs at the time. There was almost nobody there that was my age/weight and not a brown-black belt, so the one partner I had was the only near-peer competition I had, and I smashed literally every other blue-belt in the room with relative ease. I decided early to try and play slow so I could learn the techniques, but when I'd go against the purple-belts, I'd use a little bit of gas just to wear them down early so I could get more leverage on the few moves I did know. After that almost none of the purple belts wanted to roll with me anymore and literally the only partners I could find were the 160lb+ purple/brown/blacks, who would just use me as a quick warmup before they went back to their usual partners. I stopped going after a while because I was bored of the agonizingly slow pace of teaching, and my conditioning improved so much after losing 50lbs and almost nobody wanted to roll with me anymore. Occasionally some blue/purple belt would come and challenge me to a competitive roll, but when they were less than 150lbs I insisted that they try to teach me instead. They'd get upset and tell me I'm just scared of losing to someone that small, and I'd relent and take it easy on them at first; but when they tied me up and I tapped, they'd tell me to try harder. So I'd just bench press their shoulders from full guard to break their grip as I simply ran out of tactical options at that point and they refused to teach me anything. Then they'd cry in a corner and everyone would make me out to be the asshole when all I wanted was to learn in the first place.

[@chrisdopez8443]

What gym did you train at and what submissions were you hitting on bluebelts where you were smashing them esp on day one if you had no experience with bjj?

[@neskender]

if you roll with good blue specialy purple he would destroy you..

[@MrNeCr01]

@chrisdopez8443 Katharo BJJ in Littleton, Colorado. The only real submission I knew well was how to execute a Kimura/Americana, but I managed to pull off the only omoplata ever done in that gym after a coach wondered why I kept giving it up.

[@MrNeCr01]

@neskender if he was above 180lbs, it was a lot more competitive; otherwise, they just weren't accustomed to someone at 240lbs with a good top game and lots of pressure.

[@chrisfrank8413]

oh, be quiet.

[@sparkyk24]

Or train gi, this problem barely exists in gi😂