China’s "Social Credit System" Has Caused More Than Just Public Shaming (HBO)

[@VICENews]

VICE News went to a village in one of the first pilot cities to see how the local office funnels the behaviors of 3,000 residents in this neighborhood into social credit scores. WATCH NEXT: Exiled Chinese Billionaire Uses KZbin To Wage A War On Corruption - bit.ly/2klZzAe

[@globalwarming5050]

why? vice news should report on what is known for , drugs, sex and rock and roll news. that is what vice news is named after

[@oliveblair9719]

@Jay M Jay M I think that what is presented in this video is more in line with the concept of totalitarianism then a economic modle

[@ropro9817]

Just when you thought China couldn't get any creepier...

[@ropro9817]

And who is watching the watchers? There is so much corruption in China, this just opens up whole new possibilities.

[@Sanguinarius9999]

@Jay M Except china is neither. its a dictatorship with a large amount of western corporate exploitation of cheap labor masquerading as the above. However I do agree socialism / communism is impossible unless the whole species becomes a single country/nation, among other issues with the system, Which the way we are going will never happen.

[@WakoGriffin]

well obviously they all are going to say its a good system or else their score will go down

[@richardli6130]

so true i'm scared af

[@invertexyz]

@The Dark Lord Cthulhu Yeah, this system will just inevitably lead to immense corruption, like most of Chinese authority. There's clearly very little stopping these "record takers" from taking bribes to right down good things about people, and writing down bad things about people they don't get along with, nobody can verify their claims or is going to put the time in to do so with how huge their population is.

[@daltonthomas5723]

Whats Tiananmen Square ??

[@WakoGriffin]

@@daltonthomas5723 There was protests by chinese people and the chinese government came in with the military and killed a bunch of people. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kH6ko3toqMx-ars

[@tyc00n]

just like a ponzi scheme

[@andreainhere]

"Taiwan is an independent country" -999.999.999.99 Social Credits score

[@perry-4444]

Execution date set for tomorrow

[@harudafloof1875]

Super Idol的笑容 都没你的甜 八月正午的阳光 都没你耀眼 热爱 105 ° 滴滴清纯的蒸馏水 你不知道你有多可爱 跌倒后会傻笑着再站起来

[@waitwhat3547]

why do people confuse . with a , i will never understand

[@Zee3577]

@@waitwhat3547 because the USA is not the center of the universe and in other countries they use different separators.

[@skinnylegend5021]

@@waitwhat3547 bruv some countries use . and others use ,

[@acceptable2912]

"I am finally a normal person." Bruh, I really felt a strange sense of sadness when the guy said that.

[@rubyred6687]

@Rohan Krishna 动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

[@sokritlun1624]

Rohan Krishna it’s fucking China that’s what wrong

[@roronoakeer1401]

@Rohan Krishna wtf are you talking about? You can't even criticize the government without losing points

[@thatrandomcat3479]

@Rohan Krishna what the fck, you could litterly die because of this sh!t, your mindset is so broken.

[@brothdian]

@Rohan Krishna are.. are you Chinese?

[@Niko-ci8sw]

This is horrifying, just imagining people staring at you from the shadows gives me chills.

[@PetrolMuzungu]

The NSA and CIA would like a word.

[@kejiri3593]

@@PetrolMuzungu Atleast they wont arrest you for saying CIA, NSA or America sucks. Unlike Chinese Winnie the Pooh leader

[@marcusmeins1839]

and this is what leftists want for us . the left should be removed from the planet .

[@kaspervestergaard2383]

@@PetrolMuzungu I mean I know it seems to be related, but this is about 1000x worse.

[@augustinskinner8873]

@Robert Blackwell for.

[@DanishComrade]

Of course the guy supports the government, if he criticises the government or the system they take away 100 credit points lol

[@vanillaicecream2385]

the path to hell is paved with good intentions

[@JerKKeR]

@BlueRedAndYellow man's already a 2nd class citizen, criticizing the government in front of international media would probably end up with him also not being allowed to buy Bus Tickets. Additionally he would be plastered in local communities as a sham and maybe communities wouldn't even allow him to work for them voluntarily. So the best thing he could do in his interest is praise the government and get his credits back this way

[@joeyschalip3854]

@@JerKKeR he would probably “disappear” as well

[@beaconing7689]

@BlueRedAndYellow you talking like this thing is in the video games

[@puzzLEGO]

that is true, but people do actually support this because they think it's 'necessary'

[@hodanali5701]

Bro I thought black mirror was supposed to stay as fiction

[@veronicam2942]

Right?! This shit is insane

[@armyrubio08]

Thought the same thing!

[@journeybeyondthesea]

hodan ali fr 😭😭😭

[@ayoo1023]

Lol most tv PROGRAMMING is not fiction at all. Most people don't realize this but tv shows and movies, especially nowadays, are made to plant government's future agendas into our subconscious. The red pill is tough to swallow but it's better than being a zombie. Don't be surprised when this disgusting way of living reaches your town.

[@asiablanco149]

Same

[@Grandmsm1]

This is completely ridiculous and out of hand. No matter how they paint it; this is not a good thing. I find this to be, borderline inhumane.

[@John77Doe]

This is a brilliant idea. We need to adopt this form of societal monitoring in the United States as soon as possible. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@1988kcmo]

John Doe So you think it is a good idea for someone not to be able to buy an airplane ticket even though they have the money, because they are a "bad person?" Restricting access to goods based on how moral the person is? Baaaaaad idea

[@lg2971]

@@John77Doe lol, you beautiful troll, you

[@Grandmsm1]

@@lg2971 I couldnt take him seriously either. Lol.

[@刘思轶]

It is very simple in China that people with credit bankruptcy cannot use the public facilities invested by taxpayers. If you have money to buy a plane ticket, why don't you have money to pay back the money?

[@luccar9241]

The system isn't about image or kindness. People start donating and doing good stuff not because they want to, but bc their score will go up, and therefore, the honesty will be no more. Fear is what, as a consequence, may prevail.

[@uctrong3268]

I know it's kinda late, but you remind me of a quote: "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth sooner or later that debt is paid" Scary how it's never been truer than now

[@luccar9241]

@@uctrong3268 Indeed

[@andriesgeyser5524]

Imagine snitching on everyone for $50 a month. Imagine not being able to make a loan or buy a train ticket because your neighbor snitched on you for 50$ a month.

[@__-kd8oz]

you are looking at it the wrong way. they are not able to buy *high speed* train tickets or have lesser access to loans because they have harmed their community! meanwhile, this system is creating a part-time job for the elderly or unable to work. and giving better life opportunities to people that act normally. unless you consider not returning a wallet you found on the floor and littering the streets normal and acceptable.

[@itypethetruthnobshere8975]

Well why don't you look in the mirror and ask yourself why did you do bad things? Instead of looking at the "snitch" don't do bad things nothing to snitch about

[@antoniocarvalho7105]

@@__-kd8oz but u shouldnt have less rights because of that. U literally have the example of the dude in the video that wasnt allowed to use the train just because he didnt payed something completely unrelated.

[@aerojetrocketdyners-2538]

@@__-kd8oz What government has the right to judge on what i do and decide what is moral and amoral????

[@__-kd8oz]

@@aerojetrocketdyners-2538 The government in western nations is chosen democratically and appointed with the sole purpose of stating and enforcing the law. in this sense, all governments have the right to say what is right and wrong.

[@olarmariusalex]

The last sentence is one of the most saddest thing I ever heard till now: I’m finally a normal person” If a person think like this in the real life then that society is doomed!

[@frankmundo4300]

Its China they are all shit sniffers

[@frankmundo4300]

All of them

[@frankmundo4300]

Every single one

[@maggillaguerrilla830]

olarmariusalex China is attempting to bring this system to the United States via tech giants such as Google and Facebook we are all doomed

[@rebelliussoul3645]

I guess all along he was the only normal person among a sea of robots, now he's just like all the other robots.

[@ultrainstinctluffy1312]

Me: i don’t agree with the social credit score system -30 000 000 social credit score

[@kazota.]

Me: Taiwan is a country -690000000000000000000 social credit points

[@JoMama___735]

@@kazota. reported

[@iwoapwjcoejs]

@@JoMama___735 +10000 social credit points

[@hachinima4188]

@@kazota. Your Social Credit Score has decreased!- Please refrain from making more of these comments, or we will have to send a Re-education Squad to your location. Thank you! Glory to the CCP! it seems you posted this citizen.. "动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门" (我们的) 60 Social Credits have been removed from your account! Bad work citizen, Do not publicly disclose your opinion!

[@made713]

BING CHILLIN!!!

[@tzshchsjsjxijyo]

Memes aside, this is actually terrifying

[@spenceregger860]

This is literally the dystopian future everyone should be frightened of.

[@NightcorEDM]

Are you trolling? This is not going to happen anytime soon

[@SableTwilight]

have you seen our corporate controlled credit score system yet?

[@jamesv.1033]

@@NightcorEDM Hello anyone home?

[@wizzenberry]

SableTwilight do you know anything about loans, or how interest rates are conditioned? I will assume you don’t, if you did, you would understand why this is necessary. So many idiots doing useless courses and taking massive loans out for cloths they can’t afford. Having these systems clamps down on it. My credit score is amazing, because I’m good with money lol

[@LadyTruth7]

@Jah Jumps Hell yeah it's happening. You're right Jah. 👍😎👏 It's been happening already.

[@camarch]

In a world like this that becomes so transactional, all sense of sincerity is lost and we become a species of credit-based robots. This is awful.

[@brothdian]

@Caesar Sanchez you tried

[@accountnumber3276]

People always have been motivated by rewards.

[@gusthavo15yearsand98]

@@accountnumber3276 not like this.

[@DoctorChained]

Not necessarily true. Acts of kindness towards family and friends is unlikely to be rewarded. So they will still be genuine. Not defending the system at all, it's horrible. But I do think friends and family will still help each other out of kindness and not social credit.

[@K0I.07]

@@DoctorChained true those kindness is from sympathy and understanding so you dont want other to have same bad experience that you had before , but kindness from the scare of punishment is a dystopia my dude thanks god im living in vietnam

[@RowOfMushyTiT]

Me: I don't like China's Social Credit System China: Removes 100 points

[@hisexcellencypresidentofre4118]

Good luck on landing that bank loan..😀

[@itsme1and2]

@Tony Credit card companies can't have us thrown in prison like China does to its own citizens who criticize the ruling party.

[@ogueyratogeyrat7448]

100 tpo generous

[@beyourself7428]

@Tony Just keep in mind that private credit card companies cannot ban one from trains, flights, hotels, and medical services, while the Chinese govt can and will do and is doing anything with it. Shown in the vid is only a tiny part of its capacity and ambition.

[@beyourself7428]

No joke. This is literally happening. If youtube is a China company and my comment gets deleted because the censor finds it "criticizing the political system" it will count into my personal credit score. All online accounts in China are linked to one's ID and phone number so they can track easily. Anonymous online services and end-to-end encryption is illegal in China.

[@HeyItsMeSeb]

Social credits in 2018: public shame Social credits in 2021/2022: *M E M E*

[@joshxx2392]

Pure fascism. Polite by obligation. "Happy" by obligation. And your whole life relies on what a public employee thinks about you or simply on the mood he wakes up with that day. Absolutely horrible

[@First-Last-108]

Good parents do the same with kids. This takes care of the people who didn't have good parents. If this means no crime, seems good to me.

[@mogabriel5238]

@@First-Last-108 so you give up liberty to the government you become a grown ass kid

[@SableTwilight]

as opposed to nameless, for profit, credit company employees tracking your credit score

[@MsTerri74]

@@First-Last-108 Please move there. Officially, become a citizen. Stay there about 5 years . Then, come back here and talk again.

[@alejandriodeblazio-juarez6093]

We already employ a similar system here for sex offenders, some of whom committed their one and only offense decades ago, except there is NO road to redemption - ever, no matter how much they regret what they've done, or how hard they try to prove themselves worthy of redemption every day of their lives.

[@ArtOfLife.]

So you can donate money to get points so life becomes easier, China makes life a pay to win game.

[@EveXD-lo2bn]

Art Of Life so, rich people should always more equal than others?

[@ryancallahan4611]

At least this game isn’t run by EA

[@mindfulape8763]

As if it's not already pay to win

[@foljs5858]

So, just like everywhere else?

[@bornfree8073]

@@foljs5858Life is easier rich, but poor can people can become rich in America

[@annaneedshelp7729]

id rather die than live like this to be honest...

[@Donkeyearsa]

Oh they will be more than happy to help you someone can use your organs.

[@annaneedshelp7729]

@@Donkeyearsa where do i sign up 😔

[@roddaz]

You mean to say you would rather die than be held publicly accountable for all of your behaviour?

[@prequelczar]

​@@roddaz What basis does the public have for punishing legal behavior? Why should people be punished for expressing views that counter those of the ruling party? Why should people be punished if they swear a little too much? This isn't just about public shaming. They can keep you from buying train tickets, as shown in the video. What will happen if your job depends on you moving through the country? You will lose it on a illegitimate dystopian authority. And also, let's not act like this will not affect people of different social strata differently. The rich will most definitely be able to buy their way into higher scores, as shown in the vid. Donating money away being one example. It might as well be a fine.

[@roddaz]

@@prequelczar @cDralda Points do not get deducted for legal behaviour you just made that up. And even if were true so what if using offensive language in public is punishable. In both the UK and US public profanity is also an arrestable offence so not sure what you are talking about. Behave with civility and you wont have a problem just like any country. Break the law of the land and suffer the consequences.

[@JustTayo]

"I have donated my blood, money and done volunteer work to increase my credit score". It doesn't get more dystopian than this. Imagine being in a negative credit score b/c your neighbour lies about your act.

[@NPC13377]

I bet this system doesn't apply to government officials

[@AcheronLupus1]

I bet the system does- you just get a ton of bonus points for being a Party official.

[@danielvincentkelley]

@@AcheronLupus1 - You get to appoint the bureauturds who are keeping notes on you. So of course you're going to appoint people who are going to deal with you favorably and their job depends on keeping you happy, so they will of course ignore anything ill you do, unless it becomes a public spectacle. If public opinion of you turns, then you might suffer prosecution, but it's as likely that you've buttered up those who control the media and they'll do you favors to present you in a kind light while fully ignoring any ill you've done. So, just as everywhere, the amount you can get away with has a lot to do with who you bribe and how much money and power you have.

[@westnilesnipes]

Nah it does, they just use the donations to buy points lol.

[@marengoczar5035]

Unless they fall out of favor.

[@portertn123]

I think you can just pay your way out of it right? So if you’re rich you can just pay the money to raise your score up. Right?

[@Sarablueunicorn]

"the man beated his wife and cracked her head...although this if a family issue.." No, it's not. It's a crime and the man should go to jail for it and not get "social points" removed.

[@sandralison7584]

But in China domestic violence is seen as a private issue. You not allowed to mingel in. Its so sad. But it is sadly true

[@timothysands5537]

True he deserves jail, but definitely more productive if he works hard to be a better person that to spend tax dollars keeping him in jail

[@pratyushkishore9030]

We boys beat each other's ass for fun on birthdays . And we are fine with it , I don't want the society to consider it a crime .

[@christaljonan8701]

@@pratyushkishore9030 I'm sure the wife didn't consent or like being beat to a pulp. You're comparing apples to oranges. Its not the same type of situation.

[@alexie832]

@@christaljonan8701 He is basically proving feminazis right with that misandrist statement.

[@MaenMarashdeh]

4:42 of course he doesn't hate the system if he does he will lose credit points

[@moschino111]

Maen Marashdeh That man with a fake smile, I can tell.

[@yohaijohn]

And then he knew, he loved the big brother

[@min3089]

the reason why this system is a flawed one cause you can lie or pretend that your nice and innocent just for the points and not for what is good and right

[@argotcalo5575]

A good example of a catch-22

[@Artcat932]

Some Chinese person: “I think that we should have a right to privacy, and people who do good acts just to gain socially credits are not really good and just want to exploit the system.” Their social credits: *gone, reduced to atoms*

[@lcoopcooperl]

*Heaven for the extroverts, hell for the introverts.* Also, so much space for corruption and extortion on the part of these "behavior monitoring agents."

[@frenchtelemarketer]

How many points do they get from corruption and organ trafficking? Monsters.

[@aaronwang4357]

Yea... u think China is suffering while they have more GDP growth and technological innovation than US every year. Blindness is real

[@frenchtelemarketer]

@@aaronwang4357 Nazi.

[@htoodoh5770]

Coop Cooper Not really

[@aaronwang4357]

Examiner Consulting LLC Nazi must be your relative for sure. China was fighting nazi and japan imperialism during world war 2. I am definitely not related to nazi at all. U r brain dead.

[@rahulchaudhary6740]

I feel suffocated just from watching this video.

[@rebelliussoul3645]

Yeah, now I feel I've been taking my liberty for granted..... Damn they live in a prison system in China.

[@smilefenn4813]

Rahul Chaudhary watch “nosedive” episode from black mirror, you’ll see what this dumbass Chinese government credit system is soon turning into

[@alanblanes2876]

@@rebelliussoul3645 I disagree. This social credit idea could be a very valuable way of building social solidarity and preventing social neglect. It just has to be made compatible with the basics of freedom and liberty, by getting an understanding of the work of Freeborn John Lilburne in the 1600s, which led to Habeas Corpus and the #1689BillofRights.

[@ccpiscancer]

@@rebelliussoul3645 HK people took their liberty during colonial times for granted ... and HKers fight for it like the founding fathers of USA all over when Emperor Xi attacks.

[@rebelliussoul3645]

@@alanblanes2876 and the key word is could but this is China we're speaking of here so I only see it as another tool which those at the top will use to dominate the voiceless.

[@thatgeekdad]

And what if a neighbor just doesn't like you? What if they are racist and write false reports on you? How do you defend against it?

[@JonaOrange]

what is to stop the information collectors from taking bribes or extorting people? What is to stop someone from reporting another person because they think they will report them? What is to stop family members of a accused person from reporting the people they think reported their family member? It reminds me of the spanish inquisition.

[@9cat_882]

By writing false reports about him I guess....

[@leuz4972]

Because there's no racist problem in most part of China unlike your western ppl have racist idea built in your mind and always being triggered.

[@vjbkbkllhgvjhbki5019]

@@berk4005 I think he or she means that since majority of people living in China is Chinese people, they don't have racist problems like in the West, although there might be discriminate problems. And btw, please don't make up your own assumption and say this or that country is most racist. That is certainly not true because there are good people and bad people in every country.

[@alexis709a]

In comunist Romania the people that made these evaluations of other people ware unknown to the public, and after comunists fall people can check there files. And one man had found out that he had ben jailed by the reports of his wife that had an affaire with another man.

[@Mominzoda]

its like forcing someone to be happy when someone mother is dead

[@lavacaqueri5454]

So, domestic violence is legal and a "family issue", but not saying hi to your neighbors makes you unable to leave the country. Wtf?

[@granudisimo]

La vaca que ríe por que es mejor que llorar XD.

[@whitegoodman7465]

Chinese government is absolutely disgusting.

[@nickmccurdie1214]

Just remember that a lot of people for some reason agree with this or don’t think this is true and that fact itself means we are going to die before we can actually survive for years off this planet.

[@goatsanimations4480]

@@whitegoodman7465 -1000000000000000000000000 social credit

[@manwhoismissingtwotoenails4777]

@@nickmccurdie1214 What will they do if they disagree? Tell the cops?

[@SuperLuffyMugiwara]

50 hours community service: +5 points "Donate" $1000 : +10 points "Donate" kidney: +50 points Make propaganda video saying social credit score is a good thing: +100 points

[@hilmansudirman9857]

You've got to be kidding me, 50 hours of community sevice is only worth 5 points ???? WTF !!!

[@theanswer631]

lol it's like a pay to win game.

[@111-v7f]

@@theanswer631 next china will introduce lootboxes lol

[@FeyTheBin]

That's how mafia works

[@oonis.aucoix]

Actually, it's "priceless".

[@J-678hdj]

How are you ever gunna know if a act of kindness or a simile is genuine For me that’s bit scary

[@nonshitposter9494]

It's manageable to differentiate between fake and real responses, but the more scary thing is the pressure to act in line. Imagine not ever being able to actually say what you think, and never hear the truth from other people due to fear of losing score. That's what the systems really about, distancing people on a fundamental level, and turning social actions into currency, dehumanising everyone to be machines loyal to the system only.

[@matthew3774]

@@nonshitposter9494 yeah and ultimately it makes everyone really really weak and controllable, as no one is genuine anymore no one is strong mentally

[@brothdian]

@Silverbullet 999 you tried

[@niello5944]

@Silverbullet 999 Or, according to this system, if you are rich do all the wrongs possible and buy them back by paying money who knows go where disguised as chairty.

[@niello5944]

@Silverbullet 999 You can make system that helps the poor more. Full blown capitalism is simply uncapable of doing that. Again, see Europe.

[@ryanmax-grappler8654]

It small version happens in the US. Its called your credit score and it monitors how you pay rent on time, pay back credit card, student loans, your taxes

[@doingtime20]

Can you imagine your most nosy and irritating neighbor handling your "social credit" (because we know these types are the ones who look to get this power)? If he/she likes you everything is great, oh but don't get on the ugly side of this person, you will lose many points, which will prevent you from basically doing anything in your life. Can you imagine that kind of power on him/her? Me neither, it's simply hell on earth.

[@anom3897]

This is the comment I was searching for. This will create massive power imbalances and abuses. And the type of people who would do this are exactly the nosy annoying type you mentioned. Very scary.

[@aymanelkadouri8235]

I mean if that noisy neighbour follows and he disappeared it's not my fault he stepped on a trap

[@marcusmeins1839]

The wet dream of the left

[@MAHORAGADAOPPSTOPPA]

Yall do realize this isnt real. The social credit system has been debunked for years and is straight US propaganda China even released how its FICO and Credit SCORE system works. Stop believing this propaganda. Im copying this but im not a bot, I will respond

[@IamStillrich]

You do run the risk of this happening. However, I don't think all would be like that. Yeah though, it is a concern. For anyplace that runs on social scores... even a toxic nuclear family of origin.

[@daytripperarrabal]

Zhong Xina doesn’t like this video. That gave him +65000 social credit points. Xi says “be like Zhong Xina”.

[@dendiepie1547]

Good price to pay -6969 credit because he need to use vpn to search this

[@SIGMA_MALE69666]

Man this thing is memed so hard. John Xina and The Wok, both r famous now, LMAO.

[@Diego_ndr0]

bing chilling

[@vwabi]

Me: "I love China, nothing happened on June 4th 1989, Taiwan is not a country!" *-999 social credit for calling it Taiwan instead of Chinese Taipei*

[@MariOmor1]

*+2000 social credit for loving china and not mentioning the [EVENT REDACTED]*

[@ElCarlos4]

How do you say Do'h in Chinese? 🤣🤣🤣

[@Vvccoorrkk]

Execution Date: Tomorrow

[@PetrolMuzungu]

@@MariOmor1 Based

[@johngil2407]

​@@MariOmor1 Mari? what are you doing here?

[@stolaslikestea6169]

"Nothing happened on June 4th 1989" +60,000 Social credit.

[@fuchris8617]

Imagine doing a 1000 to 0 social credit point speed run

[@nylonthreadonmynek8838]

Theres a cheat to that actually just scream "I think- We, The Chinese government 中国政府 do not tolerate this type of behavior. He lost all his credits score, he had to be eliminated. GLORY TO THE CCP 祖国的荣耀!

[@web3wizard381]

you just shout the tiananmen square copypasta in front of the CCP building

[@erlindaalba1682]

@@web3wizard381 this made me laugh lol

[@moduleheadindependentcreat8158]

@@web3wizard381 how will you get home? You won't be even able to use the sidewalks with 0 credits lol

[@web3wizard381]

@@moduleheadindependentcreat8158 the transport to gulag is free thankfully

[@thefingerofgod69]

this is a disgusting, Orwellian mess!

[@ahkira1041]

I'm sorry I'm not a very educated person in the sense of I don't read much, what should I read to understand what you meant?

[@spartacuspro88]

@@ahkira1041 Read "1984" by George Orwell

[@rottingdog6798]

@@spartacuspro88 Ah, every pseudo-intellectuals favorite book.

[@danieltobin4498]

China has always been an authoritarian nightmare, this honestly doesn’t surprise me

[@chaincat33]

@@rottingdog6798 to be honest, it's terrifyingly accurate for this situation.

[@SauceX8]

Reporter: Is this social credit working? Chinese person: Nn...... *Looks at his low credit* Yes it's working. *Credit goes up*

[@Njubish]

'If you do something bad, you lose points, also we monitor you all the time, also we decide what's good or bad'.

[@okyoky405]

exactly!!!! They create their own bible! when the world denies the existence of God. Then there would be a pharaoh posing as a god

[@icon1063]

@@okyoky405 by creating this system, they are creating a form of a god in china that is apparently the only god that is allowed in this country, this is horrifying

[@denzelbazard6184]

"I'm finally a normal person" Orwell could not have written it better himself.

[@PresidentialWinner]

Reality is often more weird than fiction.

[@kimjunguny]

Freedom is Slavery, welcome to the future son.

[@xx270wu6]

Agree!

[@danielvincentkelley]

Dufus has a hard case of STOCKHOLM SYNDROME.

[@lizijian1212]

At least he has the option of becoming a normal person by doing some simple good deeds. How about those with poor American credit scores? How could they ever become normal? By balance transfer? By more credit cards with much higher APR? Orwell would like you to have some self-reflections first.

[@Stefano2071]

That guy was awarded 100 points for saying he agrees with the credit system.

[@Walker-ow7vj]

Cannibo that’s how it goes up tho bruh

[@420cm]

@Cannibo STFU

[@TheRealAmerica1776]

Cannibo you’re literally a Chinese bot

[@mikkeno3808]

@Cannibo slave of ccp

[@youtubeaccountidaho9858]

Karens would love this job

[@JerKKeR]

God knows that lady might be a total Karen off camera

[@agestatsega]

Lol

[@lavacaqueri5454]

@@JerKKeR oh, she definitely is. Who else would volunteer for this job?

[@5spec]

Sidenote: lots of Chinese parents would probably be getting low social credit scores due to how abusive they are, I know this because I live in malaysia and I know by experience and growing up with my abusive dad

[@olatron]

*Karens

[@jaydbd2457]

Is Taiwan an independent country? >Yes No Congratulations, you have received: 9999 social credit points!!!

[@thetntsheep4075]

"I am finally a normal person." Hello, 1984.

[@cheesecheer4333]

actors，he is so weird，not like a normal Chinese

[@xZeroTheGreat]

@@cheesecheer4333 How can he say anything else on the camera if he's going to continue to live and work in China?

[@engellever1061]

what's with 1984 china?

[@Mischangelo]

engel lever its a book, 1984 by George Orwell, really good, basically a „nowadays seemingly optimistic“ version of our real future society written by Orwell around 1950

[@AmokCanuck]

@@Mischangelo you definitely jumped the gun bud this here folks is why we read a comment twice before replying

[@givemexrice]

Ok what. You can 'donate' to increase your social credit score? How corrupt.

[@heavensanchor6055]

yeah sounds like pure....communism

[@lucidboi5334]

pay to win lmao

[@AFlyingCookieLOL]

Western politicians accept donations too, how corrupt

[@FirstNameLastName-tx6td]

@@AFlyingCookieLOL you know exactly what those donations are going towards, especially if you're someone in a position who actually earns something back from political donations (lobbyists). In this system, you have no idea where that money is going but you can be sure it's not charity

[@Ps3man187]

What’s gonna end up happening is these ”donations” will be worth much more points than picking up some trash in a park so the incentive to “donate” will be much greater. Naturally the money will end up in the hands of the government so it’s basically just incentivized taxing

[@ratmdex]

Information collector= a snitch

[@M0EJ0EKING]

Not really a snitch when they are the ones who wield the power. More like government operative.

[@AnnaZnna]

Look up "Red Guard" during the cultural revolution.

[@M0EJ0EKING]

@雪波ミライ I would usually argue against such an act but this is an understandable response.

[@Breathingdeeper]

Snitches get stitches...

[@tylersoexclusive713]

ratmdex tbh

[@hadesrabies]

You get more social credits if you eat bing chilling

[@williamtroutman507]

That dude better keep smiling and praising China or he's about to lose some more points

[@Howhungry1234]

Or his life

[@jamweslay5298]

khem llama Don’t think it’ll be his life unless it’s willingly.

[@prasitkonthong.2532]

Crayfish On youtube truck v run b fun b CB v tub b tub by a plo UK to n. Ioiuuuuhnhh’ Has has

[@archygrey9093]

You actually do lose points for talking negatively about the system. 100 points if i remember correctly

[@lukejackson1575]

This is asking for corruption at every level.

[@tealckree1240]

Luke Jackson Ye exactly especially those who marks the points will have power over the local citizens. Bribery or what ever they want. Disobey and they can make you lose points. So fucked up.

[@SableTwilight]

not at all like our credit core system, run by a handful of private corporations who "lose" our information to hackers on a regular basis

[@petervansan1054]

@@SableTwilight can you stop spamming this shit? Thank you!

[@ayoo1023]

@@SableTwilight both systems suck! I rather have a credit system than this fake robotic chinese system though

[@SableTwilight]

@@ayoo1023 Not saying either is a good thing. But it's nice to know that you have a preference for giving your information to faceless, authoritarian bureaucrats so they can profit off your personal information while dictating your life opportunities rather than faceless, authoritarian bureaucrats who can't profit off your personal information while they dictate your life opportunities. Good on ye.

[@gibusspy5544]

Someone in China: *I think-* The government: Your social credits, hand it over.

[@XotoriD4rak]

人 由 区 田 再

[@in-aurait-elle]

I am Chinese and I just wanted to ask wtf is social credit I've never heard of it???? is it real?????? wtf I'm 24

[@grootsChannel]

@@in-aurait-elle if you're not being a troll, yes it's real but if only in a few cities

[@chungusultimate]

@@in-aurait-elleare u from china

[@ototurmanidze5578]

@@in-aurait-elle oh kinda sus

[@nervigeskind3131]

It’s like gold stars in kindergarten, but you “disappear” if you lose too many. All up to 1 person’s opinion

[@nivodeus]

"I am finally a normal person". I think thats the moral of the story here. This is exactly what Blackmirror:Nosedive warned us about.

[@anemone6260]

This is not a great system but ironically if western Europe hadn't undergone something very similar to this it would be a shitshow of retributive violence and amoral familialism like in many other countries. The government monopoly on violence and Christianity making shaming unwanted behavior ubiquitous , essentially along with expelling those who break rules or follow paths that are beneficial for them but ruinous for society (the ruling class of today fit this description ironically) played a heavy role in making western Europe what it is today. Without getting shitty people out of the gene pool and having that shame culture that eventually turned into internalized guilt western culture would be hellish. Believe me, I'm from a shithole in Europe that did not undergo what western Europe has and it's literal hell.

[@Purpill]

Who is blackmirror

[@thekharijones]

@@Purpill it's a Netflix show

[@shkaki]

I cant believe that this is true

[@maryferguson8700]

nivodeus precisely

[@someguy1243]

The first people to lose points are the ones who question the system.

[@peterturner345]

Benjamin Villmow -50 points

[@ethanbecker5679]

You are banned for saying that!

[@earthmom106]

Benjamin Villmow you mean “ruse” points🤣🤣 -50 points for me for making racially insensitive remark 🤣🤣

[@morphingjar]

That comment at the end. "I am finally a normal person" carried so much weight to this documentary that wasn't talked about at all. To anyone without a good score you are treated like a subhuman by your own government.

[@obsidianstatue]

if you refuse to pay what you owe, beat your wife until her skull cracks, or pick fights on the streets, then you should be punished, btw what part of not being able to buy plane and highspeed rail ticket is considered "subhuman"?

[@that1guy_248]

@@obsidianstatue No one disagrees with having consequences for personal decisions and actions. The problem arises from who gets to determine those consequences and what those consequences should be. The consequences in this social credit system is too broad which also makes the people who determine the consequences too powerful. I don't see this going well.

[@obsidianstatue]

@@that1guy_248 this is a community based program, it has nothing to do with the wider national program, that one is administered through AI and automated process. also the national social credit, is not a single score. go read an article written by Foreign Policy "China’s Orwellian Social Credit Score Isn’t Real" if you're interested in how the system works. I wouldn't say the consequences are too broad, even if you're on the blacklist you're still able to travel, just not using the efficient way, have you seen how some people behave on the Highspeed trains? they there are incidents where people would hog other people's seats for no apparent reason, just because they think they can, some people have absolutely no respect for rules norms and even laws of the country. Did you know, that until 2016 there is no law against assaulting a police officer in China. Chinese laws are weak, and police enforcement is also weak, this has created an environment where some bad people think they can do anything they want.

[@that1guy_248]

@@obsidianstatue "The social credit system’s use of public blacklists and shaming-what one scholar calls “reputation mechanisms”-as well as the joint punishment mechanism that essentially imposes yet another layer of penalty enforcement for legal offenses are controversial and problematic. The standards for getting put on blacklists, managed by different departments at multiple levels to enforce rules within their jurisdiction, are not always clear. The targets are not always notified and given a chance to contest the listing Some blacklisted individuals have continued to face restrictions after their debt was repaid or the time period for the penalty expired, creating situations such as the man who discovered through denial of his credit card application that his bank was not informed of his removal from the blacklist, and the admitted student who was erroneously denied his place at a university due to his father’s failure to pay back a bank loan. The technical challenges of running such a sprawling, complex system efficiently and minimizing mistakes are mind-boggling. The danger that the Chinese party-state may attempt to develop a global citizen score and start using opaque algorithms to determine one’s creditability for a variety of political as well as financial and regulatory purposes cannot be ruled out..." From the very article you referenced to me. All this system will accomplish is hurt innocent people and keep the poor in poverty. That's my opinion of it anyway.

[@obsidianstatue]

@@that1guy_248 the take away from the article is that western media hypes up about a headline grabbing story, and turn it up to 20. the article admits itself that they nor any western media seem to understand the system, so if you don't understand something it mustn't work, just like how the people of 1978 can't wrap their heads around a communist country like China setting up free trade zones. Remember not too long ago, western media were all talking about how this system raise or drop your score through your purchase habits? that was clearly fake. remember how western media is still talking about this system as if it's a real time score raised or dropped? even this video failed to clearly state that this scoring system is limited to this particular neighborhood project, they failed to identify that the person taking the score, is part of the Subdistrict committee, and is in noway a national wide system. What I find troubling, is that this story could be embellished by Vlce. the scoring board was a clearly a community project, it's not even electronically tracked just a notice board inside the compound. so why was that guy refused to purchase a High Speed Rail ticket for low score in a community based project? he clearly was blacklisted on the pilot national system, but the report made it look like this community based score affected his rights to travel. At best this is a misleading report or it could all be fake. Vlce hardly does any real journalism anymore.

[@totlu5137]

As a Chinese who lives in China and the US back and forth I can say I have never experienced this credit score system, nor has any of my Chinese friends or family. This town must be experimenting with it as they do this with many things in China. Many ideas get tried, but don't actually get implemented

[@aglis_]

Try telling this to anybody that lives in the West and they won't believe you though.

[@user10u7]

@@aglis_ That is true lol, I like the meme but when I was working in china there is no such a thing

[@hang7408]

The truth doesn't matter,they just need a meme to laugh at China

[@jareersmoker1721]

You obviously are lying and probably are willfully being ignorant. Or your hiding 1 if the Million things China does to Harass and torment the average citizens. I hope it’s the first one and you aren’t a CCP asset

[@thefatcoolguy]

​@@aglis_you're not wrong, I don't believe him. Personally i think he's just afraid of saying the wrong thing cuz Grandfather Xi's foot might go up his ass 😂😂

[@lop3z2055]

Cracking your spouse's skull is only a "family issue"? Also that lady chargered with overseeing her community says she documents good deeds that are reported to her, there is a lot of room to play the system through deception and favoritism.

[@CuongNguyen-le5ic]

210,000 Corrupted Official found guilty in China in 2017. Not to mention there are FACTIONS in CCP's party and if your factions is not in charge, you will have much higher chance to be on CORRUPTION list as well.

[@paulrenny5790]

Cuong, What you wrote is the sad, frightening reality. The people of China are being villified by this system. In reality, it is the government officials who are the enemy of Chinese society. I've never met a communist party member in China who was actually interested in politics or making the world a better place... they joined completely for the opportunities it opens up, and the money such opportunities bring.

[@bangerbangerbro]

This is why no one should ever be given a permanent position of power.

[@B0hd1]

that's communism kek

[@socrates_the_great6209]

Bribe :D

[@The42Horsepower]

This doesn't seem bad on the surface. Reward good deeds, punish bad deeds. However, not only does this system discourage the acceptance and forgiving of mistakes, but it also opens the door to manipulation by the government. Donate money to government programs, and watch your score go up. Report your neighbor for treason, +500 points. Et cetera.

[@flecktarn4110]

Right. It's awful, it would soon descend into rewarding backstabbing, snitching and control-freaks.

[@ActionPactCinema]

Even on the surface it's a bad idea. It's common practice in the U.S. to get a credit card and purposely go into debt and pay it off just to earn a good credit score. If you treat behavior the same way, it's obvious people will just cause bad things to happen and then "fix" them to earn better credit.

[@bakubaka4482]

Seung have the wrong political views -500

[@bakubaka4482]

Victor they did the same thing in Soviet Union

[@12nelly1]

@@bakubaka4482 exactly was about to say it, it sounds just like a more organized communist dictatorship.

[@stevenf5902]

“Turning every personal experience into a transaction”. These are scary times.

[@pedrokantor3997]

Even more of a reason to be a reclusive shut in.

[@peterbaumgartner4878]

It's funny because if the crackhead asks me for money and I refuse my score will go down. If I give him money it will go up. I think beggars are going to love this 😂😂😂

[@stefan1360]

@@pedrokantor3997 that too will lower your score, there is no escape from the system.

[@Wulfzz]

... in China

[@invalidopinion5384]

Kinda ironic how extremely capitalistic China is considering it's lead by the "communist" party. I wonder what those original revolutionaries would've thought about their supposed successors becoming just as corrupt if not worse than the KMT. Autocracies ruin good intentions eventually I guess.

[@pyromaniac709]

I have severe social anxiety so i most likely would end up offing myself than dealing with this

[@SALESPRODUCTIONS]

Remember when you were a little kid and you got a little star for being a good boy or girl ? Ok - now apply that to 1.5 BILLION adult people in a dictatorial gulag.

[@BigRedShadevil]

Mr Meow, it’s heaven on earth till you have a bad day and get points taken away for being short with someone. Or if you pay your part of a loan and still get docked points. Or if you’re mistaken for someone else and get points taken off.

[@LilWhitePrivileged]

That's Marxism.....The same Marxism Vice news wants here.

[@aderevibasolewiqezecux4133]

dictatorial is an understatement, Castro killed his people, impoverished them, and kept them from leaving, but he didnt monitor their every fucking move.

[@m3m3lord61]

@@LilWhitePrivileged I'm pretty sure that isn't marxism

[@MrStevenakachico]

That is a nightmare. They treat people like games or pawns. Dehumanizing.

[@justicewarrior9187]

It's fucking comunism!!

[@SableTwilight]

tell that to our credit agencies?

[@stolasish1184]

Justice Warrior it’s not communism, it’s authoritarianism. It’s totalitarianism. Communism isn’t always authoritarian and authoritarianism isn’t always communist, and conflating the two won’t help in our own discussions or help our destruction of such oppressive forces. (No ill will, just letting you know)

[@Amidat]

If you live in a subdivision in Florida with a homeowner's association - you have similar things. If you live in a co-op or condo building in NY - same thing. All the same thing - to prevent social decay and keep neighborhoods quality of life

[@Amidat]

@andrew clark it's because people in the US have a worship of personal freedoms. They don't understand for all of our "wealth" we have serious social issues that other wealthy countries don't have. I mean look at China - which is not even as rich. Their life expectancy has almost caught up - while the US is stagnant because of all the deaths from drugs and overeating.

[@PureRandumosity]

Wow. The pay to win system from their mobile games evolved into something thats applied to society. Scary

[@novelnouvel]

Free player must grinding to gains some Exp. 😂

[@m.a.____c.5892]

@@novelnouvel it always been like that. They're just making it more obvious than how already is

[@VarongTangkitphithakphon]

Have you never heard of fine? It's the same thing and it's not new.

[@MOTIVATIONBYDAR]

Pretty much social engineering and they are just the tip of the iceberg as they release this points system worldwide.

[@metalglasses07]

It's like EA took over.

[@khoirulanam9141]

"Prosperity without freedom is just another form of poverty.”

[@krupuck3712]

Imagine living like animal... "Here your gifts, good boy"

[@nova_steric1749]

The gifts are basic human rights. Yay.

[@eduardsusai559]

The rest of the world lives like this tf

[@gratiaseia]

@@eduardsusai559 really? So the rest of the world really have a social credit system?? Then where have I been living this whole time? Because there's no such thing here.

[@eduardsusai559]

@@gratiaseia no like, the whole world revolves around this good boy thing. Like if you dont pay taxes and dont go to work you get kicked out of your house and other stuff like that.

[@Radu33-]

@@eduardsusai559 its more like this: You used water right? Now be good and pay it. Sadly nothing is free you dont pay that taxes for nothing

[@martiddy]

4:00 Then they are not "donating" money, they are just buying social credits. Also, I highly doubt the money is going to the people in need, is probably for the same people working in the building.

[@Sp3ll633]

It probably just goes right into the pockets of the provincial governor. And he does hookers and cocaine every night with that donation money

[@Pepsi_Cola]

The system is literally pay to win wtf

[@frankhaha81]

@@Sp3ll633 Hookers? You think CCP officials need to ask for consent before doing the deed?

[@isyraqfirdaus5322]

@@Pepsi_Cola -100 social credit points! 不好！👎

[@Pepsi_Cola]

@@isyraqfirdaus5322 Bing chilling moment

[@insiderbuying]

So the rich can always donate money to raise their score.

[@jocccks7775]

Music exactly what I’m thinking , that’s so corrupted

[@Sokrabiades]

Good point.

[@bunnyfreakz]

@@jocccks7775 Donate money is corrupted though?

[@LilWhitePrivileged]

@@jocccks7775 Socialism and communism are corrupt. Break your brainwashing.

[@dispersion6839]

Modern indulgences were introduced

[@eln5343]

If this was implimented in Finland, people would start bragging about how many points they lost during a single night out.

[@marwanusman5051]

A pay to win game, but set in real life.

[@jarmonjohnson]

All of life is pay to win

[@ufmo]

China is run by the mob. It is pay to win and the corrupt will game the system. So ignorant China.

[@jdoe3006]

all according to the plan of the Chinese Communist Party and their elite pawns

[@woopygoman]

That's capitalism.

[@arsenalofdemocracy9985]

human rights lawyer and decent journalists got incredible low score，you can guess why

[@ThecodbroZ11]

That's the real reason for thos system i think

[@sahil_r_shinde]

As predicted in The Black Mirror series.

[@DutchTDK]

Wasn't this the exact inspiration for that episode

[@joeys4289]

I was thinking the exact same.

[@DutchTDK]

@@erikdeeNOSPELLSNO it feels like being on your phone while doing anything besides looking at a screen

[@DutchTDK]

@@erikdeeNOSPELLSNO that hyper reality feels like getting 20+ notifications per minute and much more commercial popups

[@luchesi6875]

The episode came out in 2016, by then the Chinese govt had already publicated the plan for the SCS. So on the contrary, the Black mirror episode was BASED on this idea

[@jlindsell4295]

“I love daddy Jinping” ♾ social credits

[@piranauss]

all they have to do is vote for a different government...oh wait they can’t

[@aoeu256]

leave to the West, oh wait normal people can't afford the visa fee and learning English hmm

[@boboutelama5748]

So sad. Reminds me of the USA.

[@MovieShortsforYu]

@@boboutelama5748 We can vote, so I don't see the similarly. Lol!

[@shxpsixcreative4318]

Can you vote for a different government in America?

[@MovieShortsforYu]

@@shxpsixcreative4318 I'm not completely sure about the government as a whole, but you can for a president, speaker of the house, ect.... You can't do that in China now.

[@AB-1023]

This removes all internal motivation for doing a good thing

[@savstinks6847]

Yup, now its all just a front.. its so dehumanizing

[@davidjiao2517]

We only do good things for rewards anyway, that feeling you get when you do something good (the dopamine) boost is compelling you to do good things. You wouldn't do good things if you had a stroke everytine you picked up litter from the street.

[@savstinks6847]

@@davidjiao2517 and thats an internal motivation

[@davidjiao2517]

@@savstinks6847 it is internal, what makes it better than an external one? Is it the same argument for pleasures and higher pleasures? What about killing for money as opposed to killing because it made it tingle in your brain? Surely a mercenary or a hitman is more likable than a psychopath, and the movie industry proves it. Greater majority for hitmen protagonists than psychopaths. What you say movies don't pander to people preferences? Show me a movie with a pedophile protagonist.

[@savstinks6847]

@@davidjiao2517 point is, you might not like what you're doing if you're forced to do those things, this isnt about bad or good, just that you might feel that what you're doing lacks the meaning, ofc this is just how ppl will feel at the end of the day and its mostly personal

[@susannatan70]

Black mirror turning into reality????

[@larisibbitt8528]

Yup it's actually almost exactly that. How scary!

[@shaurya2312]

Search about predictive programming and you will understand.

[@Indigo-lp5sl]

!!!!

[@katharinehorowitz1709]

Nosedive!

[@dAt3q]

NWO agenda.

[@garyr7027]

Imagine you get falsely accused? Score just dropped 500 points... beans and rice every meal for 3 months. The accuser gets extra 500 points... top restaurants at discount prices.

[@ogueyratogeyrat7448]

china promote they people to be bad

[@CasualMisinformationSpreader]

Protesting against one party rule will cost you exactly 1000 points. To make that up you will need to donate a lot of blood.

[@kronniichiwa9909]

"-And if your blood is not enough, then we will have to take your family's too"

[@brennencox516]

@@kronniichiwa9909 nope, that's how it works in N. Korea though.

[@r05ejan8]

5.5 Liters to be exact...

[@neosildrake]

...ok, just make sure it is not your own.

[@JFK6699]

and organs LOL #forcedorganharvesting

[@angeleyes3386]

I wonder what kinda of mental state that must put people in: to constantly be watched, constantly have to worry about your score and how not doing something good can limit your mobility. Has to bring on extreme anxiety.

[@V1Pin]

How is this any different from people following a religion?

[@anonmouse6337]

Tbf we all do this anyway in the presence of other people. They just made the "social contract" explicit.

[@aliceh5289]

There are studies showing that self-consciousness limits part of your brain's functioning

[@moosepatil5946]

The scarier thing is that good and bad is subjective. What is a friendly greeting to me, can be aggressive flirting to someone else. What if someone just lies? This system is too flawed, the solutions to improve it are too invasive... and involve a telescreen.

[@pyromaniac6176]

@@V1Pin Because most religions (or the belief in God) don't operate on a point system that impacts whether you can travel, what car you can buy, your credit score, or you pursuing a career (e.g. physician) etc. Secondly religion acknowledges that people sin, that us fixed through the occasional sincere repentance. Even if you do sin, no one, even God, shows up to your door and calculates points

[@alltimesad9288]

a drunk man abused his wife so hard her skull cracked her: although this is a family issue... me: wtf her: they have kids! (that can see their points deducted for bad behavior!) me: WHAT ABOUT THE ACTUAL BAD BEHAVIOR

[@aliceh5289]

No kidding, what about getting the wife away from him because he's proven he's a danger to her life?!

[@angelofdeath275]

I don’t even want to know how this fucked system will play out in even worse scenarios

[@JoelYoYoMan]

These are the same people that will literally just casually walk past someone who just got hit by a car in the street.

[@LexLynn95]

I live in china now and it was only criminalized to abuse your spouse or children in 2016. It's still very hard to bring charges about due to the burden of proof. Also, it is seen as shameful to air your family's "dirty laundry" in public. Many people don't want to talk about it. You see tons of cases in the news here in China where it's only discovered due to being caught on film by a 3rd party who then goes and reports it.

[@granudisimo]

@Titus Robertson You're a moron. Also, the state is even more invasive of prívate life than the church in the good ol' inquisition times so, I wouldn't call it "atheist"

[@DerbJd]

“Good little puppy well done. Have a biscuit…”

[@Potatofarmer1898]

Now I know why people choose to go to Alaska and cut off contact with civilization. This is just beyond words crazy!

[@gunfuego]

vinycard yup, the world is going to hell in a handbasket....

[@tat8894]

They also get paid 1k a year for living there or is it a month can't remember

[@KibblesteinTheKIbbs]

Paying money to redeem someones sins? Sounds like the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages fam

[@HexPLAYSPlus]

But like ten times worse

[@123playwright]

Soo like bail money?

[@1stwonder788]

@@123playwright no

[@alexie832]

That's just disturbing....

[@clearrain4192]

Definitely

[@elliejoanna5925]

“I’m finally a normal person” :(

[@yongliu1230]

Well if u consider a person who does bad stuff normal... then yea its sad

[@BigRedShadevil]

VertKat, the guy that couldn’t buy high speed train tickets did nothing wrong. He paid his part of the loan and it didn’t matter.

[@yongliu1230]

@@BigRedShadevil that quote i think represents what millions of people will be thinking and that the idea of ut is sad. If you stay out of trouble u will be free. But there are shady acts that could harm ordinary citizens. Theres no way around it

[@Krath1988]

@Willowtree wait wait wait wait wait wait WTF? ANYONE can have a normal life in the US. Have you been here? Try saying that for China. There is not a single thing you can EVER do that will let a white/black/latin person be considered a citizen of China, or live a normal life there. Most racist country on Earth by far.

[@canemin4616]

it's really sad where the world is going to :(

[@maansisomnath4562]

"you have to be serious at times, life isn't a game" China:

[@FuunkM]

"I am finally a normal person." Damn, that's so sad....

[@Russwhooiulian]

Still, NOBODYT KNOWS WHAT THE GUY DID THAT LOWERED HIS SCORE, YOU ARE JUST ASSUMING THAT HE DESERVED A BETTER CHANCE WITHOUT DONATIG BLOOD, MONEY AND TIME FOR VOLUNTEER WORK IN ORDER TO RECOVER HIS SCORE TO BE TRUSTED IN THE SOCIETY.

[@FuunkM]

@@Russwhooiulian I don't care about what he did to lower his score. The idea alone that someone whose score is below a certain number thinks of himself as something less than a normal person is insane in my opinion. Sorry if that offends you.

[@lalamanana1912]

@@Russwhooiulian It's mentioned in the video: he took a loan together with a friend. He payed his part, but the friend didn't, therefore his points were lowered for that.

[@johnsherfey3675]

@@FuunkM there's also no way of redemption instantly either. Like if you had a bad day or something, or have a medical issue etc... So many things not being accounted for.

[@dliu4827]

Funkum He has already corrected his wrongs. However, that does not mean that past mistakes are now considered right.

[@CTStyles31]

I can hear Orwell turning in his grave.

[@dhalsim-1]

I'm surprised he hasn't drilled his way to Australia.

[@TudominotheGreat]

@@dhalsim-1 Or in this case, China

[@jamesking2439]

I see an unlimited energy scheme here.

[@soulscanner66]

How so? He expected nothing less of China.

[@ashlandbrooks8140]

Rip to all the introverts and all the social outcasts that are forced to interact with people just to keep a decent score.

[@bcfed]

@Nuclear_Cry like fr, for some people its a literlal mental problem but in china they cant even get out the country

[@bendynoodlecuminbitch4547]

@Nuclear_Cry like fr, for some people its a literlal mental problem but in china they cant even get out the country

[@iTz_FuSionZz__x]

@Nuclear_Cry like fr, for some people its a literlal mental problem but in china they cant even get out the country

[@isyraqfirdaus5322]

@Nuclear_Cry like fr, for some people its a literlal mental problem but in china they cant even get out the country

[@nexusaqua2691]

@Nuclear_Cry It would also good for Karen and street gangsters

[@Zura_da]

"jing bong ding dong hit stone cold ayeee" [phone] social credit score

[@Endymion766]

"I am finally a person," is something that should never have to be uttered by a human.

[@terribletanner805]

And get used to it, because this'll be in the worldwide before long! Yes, Endymion, one day it'll be you who's dropped below 1,000 points, and all the luxuries will disappear from your life! No internet, no warm water, no electricity, no books, no public transport, and only low-end products! And boy, when that happens, you'd better pull your socks up and tighten your belt if you want any of it back!

[@Endymion766]

@Bob Baker Oh you, I bet you're really excited about the eventual implementation of a social credit system at wherever you live, right? You must be a real joy to be around.

[@stephaniejbechara]

Looks like China's been watching a certain black mirror episode...

[@John77Doe]

Stephanie B This is a brilliant idea. We need to adopt this form of societal monitoring in the United States as soon as possible. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@yarik12341]

@宫思南 what a simp. these ideas have been around way before these shows

[@dillydally1991]

Or Black Mirror has been watching China

[@hooshyarkarimi9524]

It was in The Orville also

[@thadiussean9133]

black mirror came out after the social credit system. They are stealing China's IP.

[@makaan1932]

This system begs for corruption. It's just sick.

[@brennencox516]

that's why it's perfect for China and Russia.

[@glebsokolov8016]

Brennen Cox We don’t have such system in Russia. Also, don’t compare Russia to CHINA.... We are still a much more free European nation.

[@brennencox516]

@@glebsokolov8016 I said it's a perfect system for the corrupt and power hungry political system in Russia. I never said this system was going live or being considered to be adopted in Russia. Russia is European? Really? Is that why like 95% of Russia is in Asia? I'll compare Russia to China all I want. Both countries have had so many horrible and corrupt leaders, Stalin and Mao are the stars. Both countries have been led by corrupt imperial rule, both countries tried communism and both countries failed at it. Both countries do not have freedom of speech/the press. But maybe you're right, there's no use comparing them, it accomplishes nothing. "We are still a much more free European nation." So living in a slightly less shitty place makes you feel good? Ok, it should.

[@glebsokolov8016]

Brennen Cox Look at the map and learn geography. Just because Russia is 70% Asian geographically it doesn’t mean that our culture or race are Asian. In fact, we killed almost all native Asian people in Siberia and European Slavs from all over European populate even regions bordering China. There are less then 5% Asians from our total population, already more European than Germany, UK, or France that accepted so much immigrants it hard to tell in some neighborhoods whether it is Europe or Asia/Africa anymore. But asking nit comparing Russia to China I was trying to say there was literally no connection between both in terms of politics. Soviet Union’s communism never functioned the same way as the Chinese one and our political system is WAY more democratic than in China. Russia still has a reasonable freedom of speech on the internet of comparing to its European counterparts like Germany. Putin is trying to limit the freedom of speech on the internet, but he also faces a huge opposition in the country currently because if that and corruption, so most likely the people will win.

[@makaan1932]

@@glebsokolov8016 there is no single definable "asian" culture or race, that's quite insanse. just as there's no single "europeen" culture. if you are born in the Asian part of Russia, you are from Asia. Asia the continent has nothing to do with what you identify as. Facts don't care about your feelings.

[@gssalternatehistory]

“-10000 social credit” vice what are you doing, john xina is going to be mad at you!!!!!

[@richardparker2555]

George Orwells: 1984 meets Black Mirror: Nosedive

[@flexibledreamer7846]

💯

[@haleya9410]

you said it

[@praisethelordgriffith8338]

It's like Psycho-Pass honestly. China needs a Shogo Makishima.

[@imadeanaccounttocomment7800]

Except if you think about it this is exactly like the 2 minute hate to keep you in a delusion that your society is the beacon of righteousness because anyone me who have lived in china sees that booklet and it looks like an equivalent of a HOA guideline / committee kinda similar to how Karens complain about you except that this area has points and you will most likely get kicked out of the HOA WeChat if you don’t do what you are told. If you do look at the board and read Chines it’s just promoting people to help the elderly and tidy up, what’s so bad about that? Of course I assume you are not going to believe me because you probably think I’m a communist bot(not a thing by the way) .

[@whatabouthedroidattackonth3633]

"now life is good, there is no reason to fight" No, it's because if they fight you jump up their water bill, right?

[@SableTwilight]

or like have your interest rates increase if you have a bad credit score in the US

[@Amidat]

sooooo - you think fighting is good for a neighborhood??? wow.

[@axlbrixsigmundkrause4163]

@@Amidat Depends, it builds character.

[@scorpiaflueman8344]

Amidat having disagreements, and talking them out, and finding solutions builds better bonds, it makes a community stronger as opposed to keeping their true feelings hidden just to save their reputation.

[@Amidat]

@@scorpiaflueman8344 LOLOL. that sounds good but doesn't work. i can show you tons of neighbors who don't get along and dysfunctional neighborhoods... all to make things look good. in case you didn't realize this is their way of resolving issues. It doesn't have to be the same. Not sure why some in this society thinks their way has to be done by others.

[@coreyt4490]

"I am finally a normal person" wow

[@karnell5761]

That hurts...

[@JohnSmith-tp2mg]

I can’t actually believe what I just saw this is horrific

[@captaindryvids6909]

That hit me.

[@jonasstarke8946]

This shit is tragic, he’s so brainwashed.. hope this doesn’t become a global thing

[@a.y.9570]

I don't think he's brainwashed, he was just forced to act because criticizing the social credit system results in a deduction of credit points

[@wood3bystand]

As a Chinese, I didn't even hear a word about the Social Credit System before I watch this on KZbin. And surely this never happened in my city. After searching about this Social Credit System, I found it was just carried out in few areas including the Rongcheng City in this video and the system was on trial, not very perfect. But though it's on trial, I still think it' must not be overlooked. The cost of putting monitoring people's comments into the Social Credit System is too high, but monitoring people's comments is not that complicated. And donating to the Government being able to increase the credits is fucking crazy, although it's a trial system.

[@issacsun6354]

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[@wood3bystand]

@@issacsun6354 什么意思

[@issacsun6354]

@@wood3bystand 喜欢你的意思

[@said8004]

wow thank you! Since I don't speak chinese this was very important to know. I sometimes have some argument about china and most of the time people tell me they don't revolt because of the social credit system.

[@jonwayne70]

She's like that 1 woman everyone has in their neighbourhood who is always in everyone's business. But with life changing powers.

[@tigerlilly3727]

She's a Karen

[@casse1458]

@@tigerlilly3727 tons of them around

[@dowhatiwantc7637]

@@casse1458 a Karen who can literally ruin your life because you “jaywalked”

[@casse1458]

@@dowhatiwantc7637 definitely

[@CookieSwandwich]

She’s a real life Reddit moderator

[@lordkent8143]

Oh the payment to forgive sins? This sounds quite familar...

[@_Muzolf]

With the difference that the catholic church did not go after you to "encurage you" to buy an indulgence. It was just a money making scheme only the nobility could afford anyway.

[@Shonuff42080]

It's free to confess you sins the catholic church is the biggest charity in the world it feeds and houses more than any other charity

[@lordkent8143]

@@Shonuff42080 I was referring to the selling of indulgences

[@theofanisgreek1596]

Im orthodox christian and i dont pay.

[@dliu4827]

Kevin 4real As long as the people being fed and housed are Christian.

[@jamessteers4214]

Reminds me of the black mirror episode “nosedive” where when she dips below a certain amount of points she can’t purchase a luxury hire car.

[@huntrrams]

James Steers or get a flight

[@philpaxton2078]

That was a particularly disturbing episode.

[@DSAhmed]

That's exactly what this is.

[@Danimineiro]

we watched it in school, instantly reminded

[@Sinflair]

@@Danimineiro I go to mhs