$2099 Complete Bike - SAVA F20 Hawkeye Review

[@CuteCatFox]

So this is what we should be paying for bikes. Thanks China Cycling, getting better every time in every sense.

[@TheRimBrakeGuy]

Yes accurate point.

[@TheLimeCurd]

But then, this is also how Chinese corporations eliminates their competitions. Plus, at this point, China must over-produce to turn its cradle and dumping all kinds of products to the entire world at a near break-even point. You as a consumer think it’s good but actually will result in killing local & national businesses involved in selling American &/ European bicycle brands, harming the economy.

[@ariffau]

For 350 USD more, you can get yourself a Canyon Ultimate.

[@TheRimBrakeGuy]

@@ariffau Ultimate CF SL 7 is the equivalent 105 bike with no carbon wheels = you will need an extra $400-600 for it. Surely not a bad deal at 2300EUR but will go closer to 2.8-3k more at the end of it.

[@ariffau]

@@TheRimBrakeGuy but it’s still a Canyon. Get this Sava and spec it with D.Ace and Carbon Ti if you’d like. But you know somewhere deeeep down in you would still be thinking of a branded bike 😂

[@davemellor4697]

Joe.....This is unbelievable value.....this is more like what a budget/improver bike should be with decent equipment etc etc

[@6295607]

Expensive actually

[@davemellor4697]

@@6295607 Attention seeker!

[@wtfiswiththosehandles]

That's what a bike should cost. I am currently building an ICAN bike, and I don't think I can ever go back to buying overpriced "brand name" bikes anymore.

[@TheRimBrakeGuy]

No need, at worst you can just pick up a "branded" 2nd hand from markeplace for cheap.

[@bikeguyhk]

Yes. Support smaller companies. Don't feed the greedy.

[@telkmx]

I mean when you look at it decathlon provide good value bike with van rysel. The RCR pro with di2 is 5500€ with a power meter full carbon frame fork handlebars and swisside wheels

[@wtfiswiththosehandles]

@@telkmx It's not terrible, but 1640g wheels are too heavy. Anyway, 5500 euro for a bike is still ridiculous. This hobby and sport is becoming elitist, and I hate it. Admittedly Decathlon is one of the good guys here, they have plenty of road bikes for less than 1000 euro on offer.

[@glennicol1361]

Sava had a team using their bike in Tour of Slovenia last week. I'm surprised nobody talks about the Gusto Cobra Evo... Well priced bike raced by a few pro teams including Ljubljana cycling team.

[@reinharddurnberger591]

A bikeshop near me in Salzburg sells Gusto Bikes... Maybe my next bike😊

[@zannovak2643]

Gusto user, can confirm its great 🫶

[@glennicol1361]

@@zannovak2643 Tadej Pogocar used to ride a Gusto

[@squarepantsist]

Really enjoyed that Joe cheers! Can see my next bike being one of these manufacturers (currently on an ORRO Gold) The value for money is undeniable when compared to the tepid western offerings for around the same money. Just bought a saddle from the SAVA website in support of SAVA/PP! Great vid as they all are, we all appreciate your content. Support from Wales, UK.

[@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST]

Joe keep bringing these choices to the people.. Top video 👍👍 Mate you are one of very very few that has a business and that is honest👍. You should be proud of that, as everyone has sold out around you and you have the respect for your audience not to... Complete RESPECT💪💪Well done👍

[@ChinaCycling]

Thanks Benji 👍 I just keep doing my thing. Business is doing well enough and I can sleep fine at night knowing I still have my soul. :) if I jumped aboard the shill train could I double my income? Maybe. But you can't earn all the money in the world, so best not be greedy.

[@kevinfrost1579]

@@ChinaCycling Joe good call, also pleased PP is working out well, open direct approach is very much respected and valued. 🙏👍👍👍

[@andrewyeap6878]

My 1st carbon roadbike was a Sava. Used it for 2 years b4 changing it. In that time bike was quite faultless except for the cables making a Din when it rattles inside the frame. Weak spot was the saddle locking mechanism which went loose. Other than that it's pretty decent bike

[@TheRimBrakeGuy]

Bikes are not rocket science. Seeing big companies charging 10 to 15k for one these days is just a slap on the face of the customer base. #neverever

[@fanpage2608]

I'm thinking about getting a Sava myself, could you let me know what made you change, was it just the issues you described or something else?

[@stefanohbellote9948]

nice one, Joe! It's good to also know these more affordable models from China. I'm going to Shunde next month for work, and I'm looking into buying a complete bike (since I'm not sure I'll be able to buy parts and put them together), and Sava was on my radar since that's around the budget I have... so well timed video! lol

[@ChinaCycling]

You. may even be able to find it a little cheaper in China. ;) ;)

[@SkylarsRnD]

Love the classy music! Doing great work Joe!

[@shinobusensui9395]

Would like to see a review for the ex7 pro.

[@PACOJO_NAZOSLOSMIOS]

I love my Kootu Colorado boost “SAVA” came with ultegra and I been riding it for a year now not problems. Got it from SAVA on eBay and paid less than 1200

[@marvinsmall5002]

It's game over for those greedy legacy brands... And I'm happy about it. They totally tried to price the consumer into stupid costs. Shameful of them. Great day for cycling.

[@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv]

There have been cheap chinese carbon bikes available for over 20 years and it hasn't been game over yet..

[@codemuncher6946]

@@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv people did not know how to get hands on them... now that they do.. it really is game over 10k for a bike is just stupid

[@daviddjerassi]

Thanks Joe always an honest review no BS at $ 2100 wow a great price 8.7 kg stable ride not all over place love the review and video Thank you.

[@infinati]

Thanks to this video I purchased a Sava gravel bike from their US warehouse. It was $1,100 for full GRX and carbon rims. Insane price. Thanks Joe ❤

[@papirrin91]

Do you have an instagram account? I’ll like to see your bike!

[@savadeck]

Great review! Thanks Joe for letting us see the video and the real reviews from everyone, we will keep optimizing our pros and cons.😄

[@Natuh21]

Plz update the website with the max tire size, can we fit some 32s or 30 is maximum?

[@savadeck]

@@Natuh21 SAVA road bikes are compatible with a maximum of 28C tires.

[@juanplus3324]

Thanks for the review. I am considering getting this bike at 52. How tall are you?

[@lisawu1393]

I am 5 9. Got a medium. Works fine.

[@wuzihuzi]

Been looking at this for while, cool to see a video of it!

[@elijg6104]

What's the max tire clearance? And is the steerertube/cockpit proprietary or a standard 1 1/8"? Those would be the only dealbreakers for me

[@christopheradonaimarquezga6310]

I wanna know the tyre clearance too, the page doesnt have that info yet

[@ebikescrapper3925]

Great review, thanks for posting.

[@AbielRuiz]

Really love where the market is headed. Western brands are in deep poo if they dont adapt quickly. These manufacturers are going direct to consumer and the product is better than ever! If the western brands don't adjust pricing on their mid-range offerings, they're gonna get eaten alive by some of these asian manufacturers! I'm here for it alllll

[@dcv9460]

VALUE FOR MONEY! 💯😎

[@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921]

This brand is one of the OGs of quality bikes from China as packages. It was SAVA, JAVA and the heaviest hitter TWITTER that had the best packages. ONLY Twitter had GENUINE T1000 frames and weights to prove it on their Aero bikes. SAVA has a major presence IN GERMANY already.

[@buzzmojo7928]

how about PARDUS , is this a recommended brand? between Twitter, JAVA, and PARDUS carbon frame, which one to choose ?

[@ariffau]

Nice paintjob this one. However, I’d like the green to be brighter. More neon-like.

[@malcontent_1]

Thank you, Joe

[@dodger2051]

Are the wheels tubeless compatible?

[@moraestecnologia]

Can you do more reviews about sava and Java brand ?

[@ariffau]

For 350USD more, one can get a Canyon Ultimate. Same groupset, Conti GP 5000 in 28! no carbon wheels though but there’re CRWs up for sale at Panda Podium 👀

[@telkmx]

Yeah the frame is probably better QC on the Canyon but who knows? But it has not fully internal routings, cheap dt swiss wheels like 200 the pair i think ? And the wheels are just way better on the SAVA being carbon but not even sure which wheels they are lol.. And sava is 12 speed. But then add the import fees so..

[@ariffau]

@@telkmx yea, but Sava isn’t a Canyon though.

[@telkmx]

@@ariffau what does this mean ? Plenty of videos of canyon frames being meh inside. Tho i'm sure the carbon is at least well arranged,,

[@williamko4751]

​​@@telkmx that means he works for Canyon marketing department

[@PeakTorque]

Bloody good value bike with great gearing. They will sell shit loads! Same handlebar to Yoeleo.

[@badrul7983]

without the expensive marketing and endorsement, that is the actual price of the bike

[@Human_Evolution-]

Which group set would you recommend on a Sava? Might order one.

[@ChinaCycling]

105 is enough for anyone to be honest

[@Human_Evolution-]

@@ChinaCycling thanks. Anything important to know about wheels? I have not researched wheels yet.

[@lisawu1393]

​​@@Human_Evolution-it is 50mm carbon with metal spokes. Works fine for me. I hit a few bumps, stays true.

[@gregsullivan7408]

Nice. I wish someone like them would do a gravel bike, ideally with a mullet setup (ala the Marin Headlands 2 - Apex/Eagle - perfect!)

[@B.r.o.t.h.e.r.2]

I want you to test the Seka Spear RDC and the cheaper one

[@phishphood423]

Any sense of maximum tire clearance? It’s not listed anywhere and the 25C spec makes me nervous that anything over 28c might not be possible.

[@moraestecnologia]

Does this bike can fit 32” tires ?

[@tutzmadrazo]

What your height mate? For a XS bike

[@KewlNitrox]

Do you have the 105 brakes or Senseh Empire brakes on the Sava? I’m 185cm, Sava sizing chart puts me on a 56cm, while other brands seem to put me on 58cm…. Are the Sava bikes a little larger than other brands, hence you went with XS?

[@zannovak2643]

Any good Chinese gravel bikes??

[@rostuchicken]

Do you know what the tire clearance is for the frame?

[@andarenbici]

This looks nice. I wish the non-traditional brands basically made a cheaper Crux, Atheist, and Crux alu. It could be a few hundred grams heavier. Something simple for the home mechanic.

[@sabamacx]

Tops out at 56cm. Needs the larger sizes to accommodate the other half of the height distribution in western markets.

[@SkylarsRnD]

I'm 6'2" and I'd ride a 56.

[@sabamacx]

@@SkylarsRnD alright

[@pgn666]

im 6' and i ride 54

[@galenkehler]

​@@SkylarsRnD I'm 6'2" and ride a 60 😂

[@SkylarsRnD]

@@galenkehler ouch. I do have a shorter torso and long arms n legs so I need a short frame haha

[@Chris-derf5]

@chinacycling what's your seat height, for reference?

[@Hennevelt]

this looks like a great deal. But please make a 61cm frame.... i know there is no chance hehe

[@daovanduy1905]

I am Vietnamese, right next to China. Previously, I bought a Sava MTB, advertised as a t800 carbon frame, when I got my hands on a Giant MTB, Orbea. I just realized that my Sava is as soft as noodles. You can squeeze it with your hands, causing the frame to become dented and too thin.

[@daovanduy1905]

Dental treatment costs more than buying a good bicycle😂😂😂

[@oktayuruncu1127]

seems like the bottom stem spacer doesn't really belong to that frame..

[@DanTuber]

The weight is terrible for a 49cm bike. I'd like to know what the frame weight is.

[@ChinaCycling]

Frame size doesn't affect weight as much as people think. Probably 150g between an XS and XL. In the scope of a 8kg bike, thats nothing. I thought the weight was "ok", at this price, something like a Spesh Allez Sport is 10kg.

[@glennicol1361]

I am curious how many of the Dream maker bikes Sava have sold?...

[@jonphotos8631]

Joe we need Seka and Trifox on PP!!!

[@marioferrarello1632]

What so you think about JAVA. A friend just bought a “fuoco” model full carbon with 105 mechanical. Cost about 11k RMB in Shanghai. What do you think about Java brand ?

[@mike1011mk]

I own a Fuoco.. It's 7.9kg with changed wheels + handlebar. It looks like the pro winning Merida Reacto. Bought it for 6,999 RMB local ($960) cause the logos are stealth. The thing flies and I drop many Bianchi, specialized.. All those $15,000 bike boys on the regular 😂

[@williamko4751]

Purchase Ridenow inner tube for $30, and you have a sub 8kg bike. I wish the host would mention it.

[@glennoc8585]

It's 8.8kg you tubed won't save 800g

[@williamko4751]

@@glennoc8585 you are right. However a pair of Ridenow saves over 200g for $30. Best upgrade.

[@DubenDeFreshDJ]

Bro, how are you? i think i asked this before but not answer, what is the difference between Sava and Java bikes. Are they the same company? thanks in advance.

[@ChinaCycling]

Totally different companies... just a coincidence with the name I guess...

[@renegadeflyer2]

I have two problems with this frame. I would sooner have external cables around the steering tube, and an endurance frame would make me happy. Otherwise an interesting bike.

[@telkmx]

On the website it says the shimano brakes are r7170 which are hydraulic but in the video you say mechanical

[@ariffau]

Hydraulic braking. Mechanical shifting.

[@BjarneLiv]

Did you mention the weight?

[@PaulGFZ]

Yes 8.7kg for the bike he got

[@70svd]

Looks cool price wise for a 105 is so so, I am interested to know whether Sava included South East Asia in their import tax paid already thanks

[@Silidons91]

Sava makes great bikes.

[@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv]

I've seen the inside of some SAVA frames that looked miserably bad. I do hope this one is a great frame though. We need realistic bike prices. They obviously need to improve the quality of some things - like those seatpost bolts - absolutely needs to be stainless.

[@williamko4751]

I call you BS. How did you look inside 'some' SAVA frames? I call your post a hit job.

[@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv]

@@williamko4751 multiple videos on youtube. You can find them yourself easily. "hit job"? LOL. I'd love if all SAVAs were great. I want inexpensive frames

[@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv]

@@williamko4751 Hit job? That's funny. There a lot of videos you can easily find on KZbin. I'd love if Sava frames are all great.

[@davidcarino6500]

I have a trek SLR and something like this no name. Its just slightly heavier and not as stiff. Is my trek worth 2-3 times more? Or warranty? For the average rider from my experience is NO. Remember for the price of my trek i can buy 2-3 of these!!!!!

[@ShoyShoy1980]

Hi Joe, what saddle bag have you got there? Looks nice and compact.

[@ChinaCycling]

Its the Attaquer one... not cheap, but suits my needs.

[@Carmai7]

…I agree! My soul requires at least Di2!

[@blazerosyi]

certainly a cool bike

[@paulmcmellon2500]

Beware if you're in the UK you'll be stung wih import tax as I've just found with a £585 bill for my Sava M-Falcoh

[@fritzgutenberg9048]

i bought two amazing bikes

[@CrapKerouac]

Will he sell his soul for a full Dura-ace bike?

[@Millicente]

The 28mm max is a deal breaker for me

[@lisawu1393]

Stop watching GCN. No read bike need more than 28.

[@zazzleman]

Their contact support leaves A LOT to be desired. You get lots of scammy like responses when you ask them a question.

[@ChinaCycling]

I have zero experience with their customer support. The person I deal with in marketing is very friendly with great English though. :)

[@Carftymk]

XS frames often look shit but this one looks nice

[@Mr4headCS]

If they make a gravel version of this, they should call it crosseye…

[@ChinaCycling]

PMSL, you should work in marketing.

[@treyquattro]

SAVA Brian

[@oktayuruncu1127]

beter no music while talking

[@diegoeleazar9154]

People wants it but no one's riding it 😅

[@youtubechangemynamewhy]

For the import tax : you can never believe what Chinese says, ( same goes with the bike itself)

[@Onigure]

Well, officially only Chinese brand bikes are ok for small people using XS or under 50. Good for me and my wallet.

[@musclelessfitness2045]

Great review, you shill :P Just kidding Please get the dream maker and review it.

[@Rosso_Corsa_]

All this main brands bikes are way over priced! I'm going to buy one of Sava bikes after new year. Price sounds really NORMAL. Bikes looks realy good.

[@kidShibuya]

Now starting their own brand? Now... for decades... But now... Ok bro.

[@datdudeinred]

Wow so apart from Shimano everything else on this bike is well priced. At this point i would stop supporting the big 2 giants & pay for new commers who know how to price their gearing systems.

[@hauglien]

If only they had 60 cm frames...

[@jeremyemilio9378]

Chinaman bikes

[@FL0RI4NN]

Too expensive, but reduce price by 500$ otherwise useless ad video

[@dwqdwwdwqdqwd2950]

under 10kg for 2000usd would be great in eu