Chinese Skid Steer 2nd Wheel Failure!

[@bullibe]

I’ll add my two cents, not to be critical but I would like to offer my years of experience to try to solve your issues. #1. That’s not the proper way to grease a tapered bearings. Have the bearings clean, dry and removed from the shaft. Place a large amount of grease in the palm of your hand. Take a bearing, large side down and force it into the grease all the way to your skin, rotate and continue all around the bearing. Don’t stop until grease has been forced all the way through the cage and comes out the top. #2. Consider drilling a hole in the bolt hole of the shaft all the way to the center, then connect it in the stop in the center with a cross hole. Drill and tap the bolt and install a grease fitting. Replace fittings as they get damaged but grease every 10 hours. #3. Measure the gap between the seals and the track frame. Buy UHMW plastic that thickness and cut washers to fill the gap from the seal to the track frame. This may help with several things….they will help keep rocks out, they will help keep the seals in place and help with side loading of your rollers. Good luck and hope something here help you.

[@anonymous_friend]

He didnt even say thank you 😢

[@mkgunter]

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[@nickster0007]

@@anonymous_friend He might not have even noticed the comment. I also have a sub-1000 channel on youtube (not under this account) and I don't monitor it very closely. I've been known to miss comments for a couple of months. I'll go to post a new video once in a while and realize I've got some catching up to do.

[@TheDavidarlen]

Small rocks really suck, my mini excavator a Kubota kxo-18 gets jammed up with rocks, gravel is the worst. Thanks for sharing the repair.

[@steveweston2864]

I have the same machine. Thanks for your experience showing issues.

[@peaklettuce]

New bearings were under packed with grease. Consider drilling the hub to add a zerk so you can add grease later too. And maybe stake the seal in, or use loctite to retain it better.

[@TheOne-ofMany]

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any grease.

[@TR-qt8tf]

Thanks for the heads up on wheel issues. Just got my skid in few weeks ago and decided to tear all wheels down to the berrings and grease. It's not that they don't have grease but that the black rings were pushed into the balls when they knocked them into place . Over time they wear through the metal and all goes to hell. I used a socket and anvil to hammer the ring flat prior to reassembling.

[@randybranting517]

Hate to tell you but that's not how you pack bearings. Watch a video and your parts will last longer.

[@cornpop7805]

Add a locking colar to hold in the seals. They make split locking colars. If you can't get a single piece one installed, they make split collars. McMaster Carr will surely carry exactly what you need.

[@ghsfdl4350]

Different grease packing technique than I am familiar with. Good luck with your project.

[@cp-islander]

How do you grease bearing always looking for new tips and tricks?

[@travisroesner6819]

​@@cp-islanderi sent video clip we are all learning new things,

[@rickmorrissey1852]

Where did you buy your parts we just purchased this machine

[@eddiem1152]

I could be wrong but could you cut some pipe to limit the gap between bearing and frame and weld something to defect the rocks

[@cp-islander]

@@eddiem1152 out of all the ideas I think this might be the simplest that will work! Think I’ll give it a try! Thx

[@tomedwards38]

Your bearings are never going to last. Watch a video on how to pack bearings and they will last a lot longer. also i would try to cross the bearings over to a higher quality bearing. thats what i would do. Thanks for the video

[@cp-islander]

I may not have packed the bearings correctly but the issue is all the dirt getting into them. Nothing will last till I can figure out how to prevent all the dirt from getting into them! Thanks for the comments!

[@Cody-f7l]

How did you get it all back together? I'm having a problem with getting the bearing back in the wheel

[@cp-islander]

Cleaned it well with sandpaper and sprayed some WD40 on the wheel then used a large socket and the old bearing race to pound it in. Hope that helps!

[@jakeapplegate8943]

Also I would try to pack it with as much grease a possible. I have a new ysrt14, only have a few hours on it. I am wondering if they dont have any grease in them from the factory. Going to disassemble and see if things are running dry, I sussepect they are...

[@RichardSmith-nj4pn]

They are dry as bone I had same problem with my Chinese skid steer

[@cp-islander]

My replacement wheel had very little grease on it so packed more in but you can see what happened to it running it for only 44 hrs.

[@RichardSmith-nj4pn]

@@cp-islander can it be modified and put some better quality different bearings so we wouldn’t have that recurring problem?

[@cp-islander]

The SKF bearings are high quality not sure if there’s anything better than them?

[@ansel-5068]

Where can I buy the wheel complete? Would you have a link for it?

[@Trex450S]

I think I see a design flaw.. those tapered roller bearings have the taper from the inside of the shaft facing the outside. I think that the normal forces on it will tend to push the coller outward causing slack in the whole roller assembly thus causing the seal to walk out and allow dirt in. Tapered bearings should face inward not outward. You should also find a shim to tighten up that slack as much as you can. This looks like an endless problem for these units.

[@cp-islander]

Think you’re right on the money with your comments!

[@brianwilliams4326]

Could you through drill the shaft then cross drill the shaft where the bearings are ,install a grease zerk in the bolt head and grease daily or every 8 hrs until clean grease appears ,lot of work up front but may pay off in the long run, just a thought I may try on my mini ex. And yes gravel and river rock suck with these tracks.

[@cp-islander]

If you watch my latest video it shows me doing that and you can see how it worked out!

[@steveweston2864]

Thank you

[@Darlin928]

Colin Where did you get the entire wheel assembly? bearings, racers, seals and wheel for $162.??? I ordered the bearings and tc seals from Amazon $60.00 per wheel. Using it to grade our driveway .

[@cp-islander]

Check out my first video for wheel failure and I give you all that information.

[@dondonhsanderson8371]

What did you type in the search bar on amazon? I can't seem to find the parts

[@cp-islander]

@@dondonhsanderson8371 the seals and bearings I ordered on Amazon and the complete wheel assembly I ordered from Cathy Ren on Facebook who places the order on Alibaba. Think she some sort of rep for these machines.

[@thelonewolf666]

a wheeled loader is just as versatile and have ZERO issues

[@Sandbridgeman1]

I'll put my track steer up against your wheeled one in lose sand . I'll still be working while you're digging out

[@austinstoikes7937]

Imagine going through life thinking a and confidently saying a wheeled skiddy is just as good as a tracked machine 😂​@@Sandbridgeman1

[@srsp0]

Where'd you buy the new wheels/bearings? You have a part number?

[@cp-islander]

If you check out my other video I list all the part numbers. Thx

[@Sandbridgeman1]

Which video do we need to watch to see the parts list ​@@cp-islander

[@cp-islander]

I bought the bearings and seals on Amazon and a complete wheel from Cathy Ren on Facebook. She placed the order through Alibaba. Never could get a part number for it but the correct one came. Cost me $164 can plus brokerage fees around $30 more.

[@redhatjoe1]

You should pack the bearings better And also hitting the shaft with a hammer like that will make the burrs Make some washers between the seals and the outer frame will help allot. Also if possible put in bigger bearings maybe 1 size bigger can help with the forces that you get on that small wheel is allot. downside of the bigger bearing is you need new shaft and bore out the wheel casting

[@cp-islander]

@@redhatjoe1 going to try a different bearing. Have new parts in just need to do the video. Going to try a different style of bearing to see how they hold up.

[@redhatjoe1]

@@cp-islander My mini skid has roller bearings for the forces the track can produce in the bearing but has less trust capability so the conical bearings you have would be the best of both worlds but you need to protect the seals Once i hade problems with my sealed bearings and i could only source with rubber seals they lasted 8 hours Oem it comes with metal-seal bearings and the last for years So protect the seals and pack the bearings good they should last

[@SamBellantoni]

I'm glad I got wheels on mine 😊

[@BillTheHawk]

I just read that WD40 actually removes the grease from the bearings. Use lithium lube instead.

[@cp-islander]

Ya I just used WD40 to clean them.

[@jakeapplegate8943]

Did you pack it with grease when you replaced it last time?

[@cp-islander]

I sure did!

[@travisroesner6819]

​@cp-islander did you press work the grease between the rollers, it still looks really dry when you're assembled? Thanks for the clips. I don't want to be rude I watched a little farther put a good amount of grease on your palm and press the grease through the rollers, from the bigger diameter side tell it comes out the other side. Thanks for the clips hope she keeps holding up

[@Thedropshopkustoms]

Cut you a rock plate for the top and bottom to keep the rocks out of the roller… simple design oh make it removable don’t weld the plate solid

[@bassthis]

The tapered bearings makes no sense Try to convert to ball bearings with shims and spacers .

[@cp-islander]

Check out my latest video as I did convert them to ball bearings!

[@tigertoilet2]

Get rid of bearing and use bronze bushing.

[@carlosjaaguirre3099]

Put alot of grase and rock proteccion like fance

[@WilliamAyscue]

Do you wish you haven't bought the machine

[@cp-islander]

No not at all it’s paid for its self already! I like messing with things anyway so not a big deal for me. Wouldn’t buy this machine for daily use just got for personal use in my opinion.

[@johnlysak9165]

Hey Colin, you are not greasing bearings properly, you need grease oosing out all around the bearing. maybe take to automotive shop , they will show you how.

[@cp-islander]

I’m applying grease all over the bearing working in the HVAC industry for 30 years so have a pretty good handle on how to grease them.

[@travisroesner6819]

​@@cp-islandersent you a clip

[@allanc3655]

@@cp-islander Sorry to say you may want to do what cp-i is saying.You do not have near enough grease in the bearings. Stop hitting steel to steel. Get some brass tools, or an oak block of you cannot get brass tools. Or even better a press. Been an engineer in the HVAC industry since mid 80s. Never would I stand for one of my employees use a steel hammer to hit a shaft (about like leaving a valve cap off). HF has brass hammers

[@cp-islander]

@@allanc3655You’re right about not to hit the shaft with a steel hammer was just being lazy I guess. Do have a bearing puller. Should be a what not to do video!

[@dougjoseph8094]

This machine is a typical piece of Chinese junk, poor design for idler, simple seal with no protection from debris. Some simple nylon packers both sides of idler would help keep rocks out, packing the bearing CORRECTLY with grease is essential, I didn't see any in the video. I suspect that all the bottom idlers are identical in design and will need attention sooner or later. Also loved watching you hammer the shaft without use of a soft face. Smearing grease on the bearing is NOT satisfactory,. This is NOT a video worth watching as an aid but excellent for how many mistakes can you find. I'm a veteran of 55years repairing tracked machines

[@cp-islander]

Thanks for the comments you bring up some useful points!

[@dondonhsanderson8371]

I'm looking for a manual Collin, or where to buy parts for this mini

[@cp-islander]

@@dondonhsanderson8371​​⁠That’s one of the struggles when buying these things. Cathy Ren on Facebook helped me out to buy my idle wheel from Alibaba which is like a Chinese Amazon.

[@dondonhsanderson8371]

@@cp-islander thank you