Chinese Type 002 Shandong vs India's Vikrant - Aircraft Carrier Comparison

[@joey3291]

There is no way India could surpass China in military before they do so in economy.

[@simonyip5978]

The GDP per capita of China is $10,500 and the GDP per capita of India is $1,900 (2020 figures). About 6 times bigger than India's. The economy of India will grow, but the economy of China will grow just as rapidly and I cannot see India ever catching up to China.

[@russelfang7434]

@@simonyip5978 Figure for 2021: $12,551 in China, $2,300 in India. The gap is even widening.

[@direwolf7491]

@@russelfang7434 Economy doesn't grow linearly. After a point China's growth will saturate eventually. Also China has their own problems.

[@vc4510]

@@direwolf7491 All countries have their own problems. Do China portion of OBOR counted into GDP? China will go for high quality growth and it has to? But then it should and will get into growth of new high tech field to augment GDP growth .

[@sosoable]

@@direwolf7491 Per capita GDP is USD 2300. Few countries in the world are as poor as India.

[@russelfang7434]

Shandong is not the 'goal' ship of the PLAN, just as they chose SU-33 over MiG-29K as their initial aircraft for carriers. Shandong is a development milestone which lays the foundation for the PLAN to build larger and more advanced aircraft carriers.

[@cosmoray9750]

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[@tuomasandersson3889]

Yes but they make a good comparison nonetheless.

[@liewjames2852]

Well said. Look forward to Type 004 & 005.

[@VivekSingh-fb8vp]

@Cool Sparkz India will use Mig 29 k till Jet imported either from USA or France. Also India is building it's own navy jet As TEDBF

[@VivekSingh-fb8vp]

@Cool Sparkz it's not about how old is.. It's all depends on new upgrade and technology enhancing. If this the case, F 18 is 30+ old, F 16 is of 1970s , F 15 is from 70s . So? It's good if you upgrade those time to time. India will brought F 18 or Rafale M for vikrant and parallel TEDBF jet for IN will be made . And the work has already started FF is in 2025... F 18 or Rafale is way ahead then that copy J 15...

[@peterasp1968]

In the efficiency of their shipyards, the Chinese are way ahead, and as things go, will remain so.

[@limsh6970]

China has learned well and planned well in the aircraft carrier building, else type 003 carrier how to be almost near completion with the duration of time taken. not only ship building meanwhile at the same time need to self build all and everything to equip the carrier and not importing any of it. The fast growth of the PLA inventories including the fast delivery of new destroyers has proved the capability well. all of this were build at the same time.

[@yours_sincerely48]

I admire China planing on their aircraft carry progression. First they started with Liaoning and they learn a lot on operations and the innards of of the aircraft carrier. Whole planning the Shandong and building it, they already operated the Liaoning for the past 6 years or more. They already given an idea if what is the next requirements will be. Then came Shandong, Shandong operated another 6 years or more and by that time PLA already learned a great deal on operations, requirements and the assets required. Next will come the 003 and 004;...maybe 005 and so forth. As they evolved to further suit the PLA, the old aircraft carrier will be in their prime age and need to be scrapped to make way for better aircraft carrier. One can see how the aircraft not only provide a fighting machine but a priceless education tool for learning, experimenting R&D and Management. Did the vast amount spend worth it even they saw not a day in battle. It is a resounding YES! It worth it as knowledge is priceless. Don't expect other countries will teach you or technology transfer bullshit...

[@jasenliu]

Shandong operated for six years! where did you get this false statement?

[@biochemwang2421]

Well said. FYI, Liaoning entered service in 2012, construction of Shandong started in 2015, and construction of 003 started in 2018. Clearly you can see how the Chinese set their paces.

[@CHINAxiaobei]

清醒的人，说得很好。像印度这种就想躺赢的国家，那是没有未来的，人只有死的时候才能真正躺赢~

[@yours_sincerely48]

@@jasenliu Please read carefully what I write ..

[@yours_sincerely48]

@@biochemwang2421 Correct! by the time Shandong went Sea trial in 2018, Liaoning already 6 years in service. Now we are waiting for 003 to be launched to the Sea but we don't know when sea trial to begin as still a lot of work to be done after floating in the water to check for leaks....

[@gelinrefira]

It is kinda misleading to say that the building of Shandong has less learning curve than building the Vikrant, considering that most of the most important and difficult subsystems in Shandong are completely domestic. Building the hull is easy, building domestic industries to the point where you can produce your own subsystems like radar, complex software, propulsion, self defense systems and even the aircraft are far far more difficult. The fact that China can produce these subsystems domestically points to a very mature, high tech industries that are less likely to be disrupted by foreign powers, and is a force multiplier on other parts of their military. Furthermore, as mentioned in the video, the Liaoning and Shandong were never really meant to be the final evolution for serial production; they have always been intended for training and then as a stopgap before Type 003 and probably the nuclear powered Type 004 come online. By the time India even consider building a nuclear carrier, China probably have launched and operate all theirs for years and probably planning for their replacement. Even the advantage of gas turbine on the Vikrant is short lived considering that the Type 003 will have a far more advanced integrated electric propulsion like the Zumwalt and QE, and has EMALS and is going to be launched soon. The future IEP powered Vishal will most likely still rely on US pleasure of supplying them with EMALS. It only takes one country to refuse to export a subsystem to completely cripple the Vikrant, the future Vishal and most of its military, which means India will always be beholden to foreign influence and meddling. If India misbehaves in the eyes of the West, we can effectively nerf them by having the West put sanctions and embargo on them. The kind of self-reliance China finally achieved is immeasurably valuable and made their country far more secure and their economic far more resilience to economic warfare, something we in the west don't like to acknowledge. In terms of development speed of a true blue water, power projection navy that can build and operate nuclear carrier battle group, India is far far behind China, probably at least 20 to 30 years. China is pulling ahead with the Type 004 with the steel already being cut, and probably will be launched by late 2030s, with complement of actual 5th gen fighters. That kind of development speed and synergy of maturing high tech industries at all levels is something India can only dream of. It is also the reason why US have always traditionally develop our own systems despite the fact that there are perfectly fine foreign allies equivalents. We will rather create our own redundant systems than to rely on outside help. The only recent development that rely on foreign imports are the Naval Strike Missile and the Constellation class frigate, and even those have strong domestic elements. The NSM is used in low quantity on the LCS and will evolve into the JSM while the Constellation has most of its important subsystems domestically produced and the hull is only adopted because it is jsut faster to do it that way. India's reliance on foreign subsystems is an Achilles' heel and it is also obvious that they struggle to develop domestic high tech industry on the same level as China and the West. I will be surprise if they can develop near cutting edge IC microchips - which everything depends on - within the next 40 years. Nothing about their domestic politics stability, national will and focus and technological advancements indicate they are accelerating their catching up. They are consistently two generations behind China and now it seem they are falling even more behind.

[@arthurvandeman]

good point on comparative learning curves.

[@BengalLancer]

The learning curve is still small for China. Simply put, China making an aircraft carrier is not as big a deal as India making an aircraft carrier is. China is a much more advanced industrially developed country. Chinese industrial capacity exceeds Europe and USA combined. It is not very surprising for China to make aircraft carriers, with their knowledge level. For India they had to level up national technological basis a lot. Still took much long time to complete the carrier, All of which are fine given their technology level.

[@enzhus]

@@BengalLancer How to build an engine? I don't know. OK, buy from USA then. How to build an aircraft? I don't know. OK, buy from russia then. How to build a radar? I don't know. OK, buy from Iseal then ... What did you learn then?

[@gelinrefira]

@@BengalLancer What I am saying is that the real learning curve lies in developing the domestic industries to make building a high tech asset like a modern super carrier possible. You cannot discount the development of all those industries which are far bigger than a carrier, that allowed a country to build one domestically. I can give you the entire specs, blueprints, even the source code of the F-35 but that doesn't mean you can come close to building a lesser version, much less replicating it, and even less to take the lessons embedded within and design and build your own. Look at Japan and South Korea, even when they are allowed to copy our homework still struggled to develop a domestic 5th gen fighter. These foundations also allow a country to develop their economy even further. Technology is king and the economy ability to bear the weight determine who will win. Without overcoming the huge learning curve of industrial technical know-hows, you will never be able to build something so sophisticated. The fact that China, even when they stole and copy, can build it and even built one better suited to their needs showed that they have surpassed all those learning curves. They have prepared for years to get to this point, and it is foolish to still think that they are a second rate military power or they only build crappy shit or that India comes close to having their self-reliance. The only thing China lacks is warfighting experience, the relevant culture and training and the cadre of veteran officers and generals that can make or break a military campaign. Just look at how the Russians are screwing up in Ukraine. They have the goods, now they need the right people to run them, and because they have not engage recently in modern warfare, they are really lacking in that aspect. Not that it is something we should be proud of, as our war fighting experience comes from killing a lot of people.

[@BengalLancer]

@@enzhus you learn to integrate those technology into something that they weren't originally built for. And India imported handful of stuff for that. They massive amounts of design work was done in home. Albeit with some foreign assistance, everyone takes that.

[@eagol]

The main difference was, The Chinese spent a few years to build Shandong while the Indian spent over 2 decades to build Vikrant.

[@eagol]

@Xubi Suby If you talk about "copy", there's lot of chance for India to copy one. Do you know when did India operate their first aircraft carrier? check this paragraph: The INS Vikrant was launched on September 22, 1945 as HMS Hercules for the Royal Navy. However, its construction was stalled and was completed when India purchased it from Britain in 1957. On March 04, 1961 it was commissioned as Vikrant in its first avatar. India operates aircraft carrier much earlier than the Chinese. How come the Chinese can build their own but not the Indian？From design to ALL parts including engines, wirings, radars, various onboard computers, electromagnetic catapults, amaments and also aircrafts onboard), you think the Chinese could copy all these techs?

[@eagol]

@Xubi Suby IPR mainly for merchandize items, show me the copy right registered for weapon system if there's any. The problem is, who would stupid enough to file an IPR registration for your enemy to copy? The current INS Vikrant, so far any fighter jets on deck? It's only a ferry ship in an aircraft carrier outlook to me. BTW, can you show the world how could the INS Betwa flippedover by itself in a dockyard? How could the INS Arihant was flooded with saltwater, necessitating nearly a year’s worth of repairs. Last but not least, how could the INS Sindhurakshak blowed itself up and sank? The so call "protector of the sea" couldn't protect itself, what a joke? BTW, I won't waste my time to educate someone who is in a different channel and failed to admit facts. Someone who even not aware of the 1130 CIWS installed in the latest Fujian carrier were equipped with the latest mini AESA radar, first of it's kind in the whole world with capability to track over 100 targets and prioritize them were fully designed and developed by China. You still thinking they're using Russian one?

[@emanuelfigueroa5657]

To be fair China spent from 2003 to 2010 rebuilding Liaoning, from which they learned to build Shandong.

[@charleswang8708]

@@emanuelfigueroa5657 yep

[@JohnJackson-e9z]

@@eagol , LOL! Yeah, and none of the catapults work on the Shandong! Typical Chinese build quality.

[@ALWH1314]

You failed to mention china bought a trashed carrier from Australia and half baked carrier from Ukraine many many years ago and a prototype of Su 33 from Ukraine before learn how to build domestic carrier and J15. It’s just like ISS ban, China is not able to obtain engine, weapon and aircraft from foreign country so has no choice but to develop everything domestically. Therefore the “lesson learn” is probably way beyond India did.

[@EurasiaNaval]

Thanks. I should have clarified that I meant the learning curve only from the Liaoning to the Shandong - that specific segment - is not high. I agree with you that, overall, China has learned much more than India over the last two decade or so about how to build and operate aircraft carriers, including the engines, naval aviation facilities and carrier fighter development. Much of this was learnt while China was finishing and operating Liaoning, and also in developing Type 003.

[@AnkushKumar-ho5pw]

@@EurasiaNaval China learns, Sir/Mam China copies technologies of other countries by reverse engineering of jet engines and other things used in military aviation ,navy and ground forces, Everything China made is theft, using reverse engineering. And it's true they make things faster but their military gadgets, fighter jets and warships are how powerful everyone knows. India made everything on it's own, not theft other countries technologies, So to give birth to a intensive difficult technology without other countries help is so difficult, it takes decades time. Don't compare India with China, India make it's gadgets on it's own or purchase from other countries, China steals technology and also reverse engineering methods in Russian military gadgets. Chinese toys are never able to compare with military hardware of India. Complete your research than post comments on any country behalf.

[@EurasiaNaval]

@Ankush Kumar I only pointed out the obvious faults that Indian defence pundits generally agree with. I understand the more nationalistic viewers may find certain remarks uncomfortable or 'insulting' even, but it does not make them less true. I have made an effort to be balanced, and that will involve criticising the Chinese carrier, and the Indian one.

[@AnkushKumar-ho5pw]

@@EurasiaNaval Yeah it's so easy to see negative points and criticism of any person work failures and delays or a nation work failures and delays.But some person's including me only saw positive results, at last Vikrant is made and technology of making advance aircraft carrier is in India now. It takes long delays due to fund shortage, late delivery of military hardware and electronics softwares integration takes too much time, more than anyone expectations but at least and last, Now, Indian shipyards had ability and full knowledge of making aircraft carrier on it's own.America and France had good technologies of making military hardware coz they make these gadgets from 1940-1950 ,but India started from 2014(When we get best Prime Minister in Indian History (Mr. Narendra Damodardas Modi).All achievements in Military sector came after it by Government support in Make in India initiatives.

[@slslbbn4096]

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[@rohananand7263]

Except INS Vikrant's power plant, Shandong is better in all aspects. Indian shipbuilding has just started to make strives in naval shipbuilding. There's no comparison with China. INS Vikrant is Indian shipbuilding's full potential whereas Chinese Type-002 is the first step in the evolution process of its carriers. India took too long to build its first aircraft carrier and is hesitant to build second 65-000 tons carrier. China is in the race with the US Navy whereas India is just building a capable defensive force in the region.

[@biochemwang2421]

Even the power plant is a matter of debate. Although gas turbine has several major advantages, it is not fuel efficient when the ship sails at a low cruising speed. I am very suspicious about Vikrant's maximal range of 15000 km as claimed.

[@rohananand7263]

@@biochemwang2421 Yes, it does have its shortcomings but GE LM2500 is a reliable propulsion system. INS Vikrant is not designed to be deployed overseas in an operational mode. It will operate relatively close to Indian waters.

[@brianm1907]

To be honest... steam boilers in 2020s! That's like designing a beautiful Ferrari and putting a coal/steam engine in it. At th very least, they should have used turbines. The level of investment in this ship would have justified going for a nuclear power plant... AND the J35... or a complement of supersonic, jet powered drones.

[@biochemwang2421]

@@brianm1907 Well, nuclear powered warships also rely on steam boilers, although those boilers are heated by nuclear plant. What do you have to say about this?

[@manofsan]

India has less need for aircraft carriers than China. Aircraft carrier is meant to fight battles against faraway distant shores, which India has no inherent need for, unlike China. India is not economically dependent on sea lanes passing by Chinese mainland, but China is dependent upon sea lanes passing by Indian mainland. Huge difference. China sees a military need to project power against distant shores due to perceived vulnerability from them. Meanwhile India only sees benefit in fighting in the surrounding waters in its regional vicinity, therefore no huge need to sail aircraft carrier toward Shanghai to bomb it. Military needs of India and China are not identical or symmetric.

[@virosyah_Resd]

17 years to complete INS Vikrant...it incredible achievement!!!!

[@indomitablesin984]

Vikrant only began construction in mid 2009. It could have been commissioned in 2017 but due to fund injection issues and default record of suppliers and the impending covid pandemic, it was pushed to all the way 2021. So it's more of 10-11 years

[@dennislaw923]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[@angkukuey007]

It is a world record in its own right!

[@weiminooi8799]

lol....

[@tren133]

@@indomitablesin984 But that just shows the limitations of the Indian Navy doesn't it? Funding issues. The fact that most major systems on the Vikrant is dependent on foreign vendors so any delay from them will delay the carrier. Plus the pandemic caused further delays. The PLAN has none of these issues. Their funding is secure at all times. Essentially every component of their carrier and its air wing is domestically sourced. And the pandemic hardly blunted their build schedule at all. The Shandong is a larger superior carrier, and was laid down in 2015, and commissioned by the end of 2019, WHILE the PLA was simultaneously building an 80,000 ton CATOBAR supercarrier, which no other country in the world other than the US has achieved. But the Fujian was launched just 6 years after it was laid down, and by the time it is finished fitting out, it'll have electromagnetic catapults and probably the 5th generation J-35 fighter too. By the time the Indian Navy scrapes up enough funds to start the 15 year process to build the Vishal, China will have their 004 carrier in the water, fully fitted with their J-35 carrier air wing, and possibly packing domestic produced nuclear propulsion system and maybe even a rail gun.

[@thomaszhang3101]

I believe that Shandong’s deck traffic control tower (the circular, bird-cage construction) on the rear of the bridge is larger than that on Liaoning, allowing better visibility angles as well as more operators to be inside.

[@你不认识我-f3x]

Of course, it's improved from the previous Liaoning designs

[@robertgittings8662]

@@你不认识我-f3x seems no one one else noticed this *the SOLE PURPOSE of this video is to get the view counts of Indian viewers 🔴 and nothing else :)* and get overall view counts out of 2.8 billion people = 1.4 billion * 2 when they fight each other in the comment section

[@jrkr7357]

Almost every part of Vikrant is made by other countries like France, Israel, US, Russia....can you imagine when they need services and maintenance ?

[@你不认识我-f3x]

@@jrkr7357 i mean, they can just buy those parts from them or learn how to manufacture them

[@liewjames2852]

With each carrier launched by China the technological and design improvements are obvious and to be expected. China does not rest on its laurels and certainly China does not blow its own trumpet so loudly unlike others. Lol

[@ceb2024]

China ’s aircraft carrier has a high degree of localization, and India’ s aircraft carrier ’s degree of localization is low.Thanks to India's good diplomatic environment, they can buy equipment produced by many countries.However, if it is in the state of war, important components cannot be produced by themselves, it is undoubtedly a huge problem.

[@indomitablesin984]

There's proper budgetary and management of stock equipment with proper provisioning for spares and also licensed production if necessary. This is not much of an issue as overrated and sold

[@ceb2024]

In the past, the Qing Dynasty also thought about it. They thought that there was no need to pursue domesticization, and it was better to buy it from foreign countries. So after the Sino -Japanese War, they lost.The same is true of China on the eve of World War II. They believe that weapons can be freely purchased, such as the Air Force's fighter.However, after the war with Japan, it was discovered that not only the inventory consumption was fast, but the arms they bought could not be shipped back to China. The ports and routes and airports were destroyed and blocked. This is why the United States, Russia, and Britain and France in the past hope to help produce most weapons and equipment.You think this problem has been overestimated, and the examples in military history have told the world that who underestimated this issue will inevitably lead to a defeat.

[@indomitablesin984]

@@ceb2024 At the eve of the first Sino-Japanese war, the Imperial Japanese Navy's equipment and ships were also quite imported from elsewhere. I guess, you are confusing the Qing's general incompetency with "lack of domestication" even though there's no such credible issue in huge proportions.

[@superpooper_2030]

You don’t need to worry for india because our enemies will still provide spare parts for India but just more expensive

[@sparkly3989]

@拉里布朗 lol typical chinese India does make rifles to aircraft carriers but some Chinese can't even make a proper jet without even copying

[@liewjames2852]

In India, indigenously built means just the superstructure. The eco and sub systems are all foreign sourced incl its air wings.

[@tren133]

But all the steel came from India ... AND the heating and air conditioning system!!! I'm not sure if the video author meant this to be a deliberate burn on the Indian navy LOL. And don't forget their Italian "consultants" managing to con the Indian Navy into installing FOUR cannons onto the Vikrant! What the hell is the use of frickin flak cannons on a modern aircraft carrier? Are they afraid there might be a raid on their carrier by WWII era dive bombers?

[@abhilash9918]

If it was that easy, everyone would do the same. You have to start somewhere and this is where India has started. Slowly all the components will be indigenized. Chinese are underestimating India and they'll be surprised in the next few decades.

[@taiiaitaiiai]

@@abhilash9918😅

[@taiiaitaiiai]

@@abhilash9918现在正是中国不断发展和崛起的时候，印度从来不被中国视为对手，印度和中国的关系也很好，他几乎没有对中国造成任何不好，反而，以美国为首的西方国家对中国实施全面封锁，拒绝出卖任何武器，拒绝为中国提供任何科技，美国和日本军舰隔三差五的去中国领海，外媒想尽一切办法诬陷和抹黑中国，这些才对中国造成了巨大负面影响，相较于印度对中国的影响，没有中国人在乎它

[@taiiaitaiiai]

@@abhilash9918中国在20年间的巨大成就是空穴来风吗，那是中国人民努力奋斗，中国的科学家夜以继日的工作，为的就是打破西方的歧视和封锁，就像现在这样，中国在国际上才勉强有了地位

[@calvinblue894]

China makes aircraft carriers..China makes Commercial tankers .. China makes their navy warships, China makes many other commercial ships, including their first luxury cruise.. There is a pragmatic approach to it.. As for India, it's money spent.. nothing back

[@mac.505]

we make all those too like alot of other country its nothing special about making fishing boats

[@calvinblue894]

@@mac.505 Whose talking about fishing boats? You think so small.. I'm talking about the likes of big tankers.. China is the second largest ship builder in the world, after South Korea

[@thenoobdashow7428]

@@calvinblue894 YOU KNOW THERE WAS no try of indegenization 8 years back. WE started it very late.

[@davidmoss2576]

You are right, but even when I talk to Indian Americans here in Texas they seem to think India and China are on the same level. Some even think India is ahead of China in many ways. I told them they are out of their minds but they don't seem to care about reality. They brag about F22 F35, SU57 as if its Indian technology. Some said, the West will share these technology with India as a way to combat China. I told them there is no way the US would sell the F22 let alone give away the technology for free. If I have to compare where China and India is to where the US military is I would say this. I think China is in the year 2019 as to the US 2022. I think India is roughly 1980-1985 to the US 2022.

[@manofsan]

India has been steadily indigenizing its defence production. Vikrant is just another step on the longer road.

[@stannislas]

one thing need to be notice is the operation of take off and landing of Vibrant, placing the take off point placment, Vibrant doesn't consider the possiblity of operation of take off and landing simultaneously, however Shandong, on the other hand, still remain some limited capacity to take off while landing. Also more importantly to be noticed is that, there is not heat flame arrester for Vibrant, so nothing can be placed behind during off, therefore you can queue the aircraft during this phase. this will greatly exhand the time gap between each take off and minimize the operational deck area, therefore lower the general and maximum take off capacity by a lot.

[@obsidianstatue]

I don't at all agree Vikirant has better propulsion than Shandong Vikrant uses 4 LM2500 gas turbine, this is the set up to power the American Arleigh Burke class destroyer, which are under 10,000 tons. Vikrant in comparison is 45,000 tons

[@No-timeforimbeciles]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 delusional. !

[@JD-dm1uj]

IMO, Shandong, to the PRC, 002 is a developmental carrier leading into hulls 003 and 004. Vikrant is India’s max capacity and capability at the moment, it took them well over a decade to get to this point and even then it falls short of 002. The PRC also outfitted their offering with a more capable air wing, though Vikrant has arguably a better overall defensive and protective suite, the Barak is much more versatile and capable than the HQ-10. It’s going to be very interesting to see what 004 has to offer once more information becomes available.

[@kimpoho9064]

Shandong is in a battle group, the long range air defense will be the duty of 055, 052, 054A...So Shandong no need to put as many as defensive weapon on.

[@JD-dm1uj]

@@kimpoho9064 tracking, makes perfect sense, similar to the US approach, though Vikrant will also likely have a number of capable defensive escorts as well.

[@_knowledegedit-]

Vikrant is not India's max capacity Now India is planning for next 65 000 touns super aircraft carrier by 2030 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vishal

[@kimpoho9064]

@@_knowledegedit- And wait another 20 years

[@_knowledegedit-]

@@kimpoho9064 no At the time when ins Vikrant was developing India does not have experience of making aircraft carrier And also don't have enough economy or money that's why it took too long For now India has experience of making aircraft carrier and also strong economy ( 3.50 trillion dollars 2022) with 3 rd largest defence budget Now India has ability to make aircraft carrier in a decade As long as India economy grow size of aircraft carrier grow

[@laicheetian4737]

China can use vikrant as target practice before send it to scrap yard.

[@abba3629]

Xitler wont dare. Learn from Putler's Fiasco.

[@9GHOST1PARASF]

winnie the poo will pee in his pants if he does that

[@anonanon7235]

We Chinese have utmost respect to our Indian chicos. But to answer your question, most likely it is China that is ahead in the Aircraft Carrier development game, because they've already built it's first flat top, and electromagnetic catapults. The 4th is already in production phase and is likely going to be nuclear powered. India and China both develop their military at their own pace, China's being squeezed by the Americans constantly, so it is more important for China to develop quicker.

[@peterlee527]

A.A . Are you so sure??

[@davidmoss2576]

India is way behind the Chinese. I would range it in the neighborhood of 25 years or more.

[@gyu-tm5xv]

额，是印度裔的吧，真正的印度科研人员都移民了，印度理工的毕业流失率极高，真正留下的只有很少一部分有着严谨的可以精神。

[@commie5211]

I think the real reason why Vikant is 44k tons is because ship sized are designed around propulsion system. same reason why 002 is 60k tons. PLAN do have the lm2500 equivalent, QC280 turbine engine, that is been used widely in 052D and 055. It will be interesting to see why kind of propulsion system that will put in the 003.

[@brianm1907]

China should do a deal with Russia to develop compact nuclear reactors for ship and submarine use... in exchange for advanced AESA radars, a semiconductor foundry, building the aircraft carrier shells or some other things that Russia would be interested in.

[@tren133]

@@brianm1907 I'm not sure Russia has anything that valuable which China can't develop itself. They didn't put a nuclear reactor on the 003 not because they don't have one, since they've built their own nuclear attack and ballistic submarines, but rather China chooses to continually increment designs which feed into the next design. So they didn't go directly from Liaoning to Fujian CATOBAR, but instead build the interim 002 Shandong to further refine their carrier building skills and also not rush the development of the catapult system on the Fujian. Now instead of rushing a nuclear carrier out the door, they'll probably build an improved Fujian type 004 carrier, and then by the time they want to build nuclear powered 005 carrier, everything about building and running a flat top CATOBAR supercarrier will be mature tech for the Chinese since they have done with the 003 and 004.

[@benyeo8008]

Can Vikrant and Shangdong use catapult for their fix wing aircraft ?

[@tanWilll-qq5kl]

鹰酱

[@yichen3023]

I am a Chinese, I will share my thoughts, India has never been our target, like the recent border conflict between our two countries, we have never worried about border issues, it is our confidence in our own strength. Our goal has always been the strongest country in the world, such as the United States. We are not megalomaniacs. But India is far from our opponent. This is not contempt for India, India has made rapid progress in recent years. But this is far from enough. Given the international environment in which India is now, the construction of its aircraft carrier should be much better than it is now. Instead of being built for more than ten years, it still looks like an unfinished rough house. When I see the completion of his superstructure, I feel that he is joking.

[@mikezhan1861]

兄台，印度已是宇宙大国，俺们中国是发展中国家，跟它们比掉价！

[@yichen3023]

@@mikezhan1861 对不起，大意了，，

[@妙鹤]

我也很难理解印度人的想法！自己连温饱跟人民的识字率问题都还没解决，就开始幻想在国际上展露头角了！

[@妙鹤]

我也很难理解印度人的想法！自己连温饱跟人民的识字率问题都还没解决，就开始幻想在国际上展露头角了！

[@kesai119]

@@jin-wn9lx Beyond China? Only the population may surpass China. What else can surpass China? Please provide an example for explanation.

[@euy7957]

India is no. 1, as always, no matter what! from China

[@tomsuh1362]

That's why they have so many riots in their states. The worst job in India is being a Indian police.

[@aryanyadav3690]

Indian Navy is more experienced navy & is also a Blue water navy, China has many enemies in sea

[@leegeorge672]

India navy are the rubbishs ! All things of the India are duplicates ! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@thinktank8471]

​@@aryanyadav3690 😂 illiterate

[@No-timeforimbeciles]

India are at least 10 years behind China, China already has s nuclear powered carrier the 004 Fujian !

[@Psalm118.26]

Thanks for the informative video! Really love this channel!

[@sirkeg1]

Nice work once again. I would like to see in-depth histories of these navy's carrier programs. The PLAN specifically had a very interesting history including purchases of ex-soviet carriers, and r ex-british carriers for scrap. Also cooperation with other navies to gain experience in carrier operations, was it Argentina or Brazil?

[@EurasiaNaval]

Great suggestion!

[@nomercynodragonforyou9688]

Brazil

[@aa1944-k2r]

people speculated when the 002 started construction, it will be completed, handed over to the navy, and commissioned before the Vikrant enter service (Vikrant was already launched), there has been unbelievable delays with the Vikrant and I believe it has been nearly 14 years since construction started...but none the less, the Vikrant looks good.

[@indomitablesin984]

There were issues with funds injection. Vikrant could of been commissioned way back in 2017.

[@unclesmack10]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@gyu-tm5xv]

不，维克兰特号问题很大，它的重心偏移了，以至于当你看到印度人的宣传片时能发现维克兰特号的航迹上每过一段时间就向左右两侧散开的鱼骨浪，航母在航向时不断前后摇晃，拍打海水，而从俄罗斯购买的维克拉玛蒂亚号就没有。这是个很严重的设计失误，严重的甚至会损伤龙骨。

[@pgdog888]

No comparison. China's AC is almost 100% home made while india's is like UN.

[@VivekSingh-fb8vp]

How. Steel Hull, Radar, Missile, Almost all ships are Indian and made in India..

[@pgdog888]

@@VivekSingh-fb8vp made and assembled in India with foreign parts from handful of other nations.

[@VivekSingh-fb8vp]

@@pgdog888 So How china started? Hull from Ukraine Jet from Ukraine Steam engine from Ukraine At least India make it's first time from it's own steel, Hull is own, Avionics and radars are own except Israeli Elta. Jet is Ofcourse foreign but they are working on an Indigenous ones. Navy rejects tejas bcoz it was single engine they want a double engine otherwise Indian too would have a one jet. Almost all systems their is either Indian or produced locally their Not to forget how china use Russia, German MTU engine in their sub and destroyer. Don't be bais before knowing all fact. China get design of everything from Hull, to jet to, engine... What india get?? They have to make it from scratch... Also china has huge Shipbuilding industry compared to India 🇮🇳 The shipyard which built Vikrant was very much new compare to china.. China spent 4 times the budget of India... Soon they are catching first in self reliant. Next 8-10 years will u see Their industry to be more self reliant then today. So know everything before saying...

[@pgdog888]

@@VivekSingh-fb8vp lol. I sense someone just got butt hurt. India is at least 2 decades behind China in heavy industries. India's problems is the politicans and the castle system. Be real. China and India both started to build around 1960s but in 2022 China is way ahead in dam near everything. HSR. Space station. 5G. Quantum computers. Hypersonic missiles. Stop comparing cause there's no comparison. Like day and night.

[@VivekSingh-fb8vp]

@@pgdog888 I think Someone else is butt hurted Or doesn't want to see the reality. When did I say china is not ahead then India, but as the time will grew India is catching fast. Like They have tested Hypersonic technology demonstration 3 times Sucsessfully, their DRDO chief has already said that by 2025 India first Proper Hypersonic missile HSTDV will enter service. 2) China got benefit of Liberalisation before India and heavy investment from West which make them so huge now. Who told u abt caste system. Those were the older days, now these things are decreasing very fast. Be updated, don't talk like idt heard same thing 20 year ago abt caste system so let's repeat it.. Do u even know how han Chinese treat other Chinese ? India is democracy unlike china here courts work.. For a project u need consensus and all clearing before unlike CPC regime where no rule no system. Build whatever wherever u want. In democracy thing's works slow but that's long lasting. We have seen case of Soviet communist, north korea and Vietnam. China too will face these things one day. FYI : India is building 3 HSR corridor, 1st one will open in 2026 and then eventually.. From a poor countries to world 5 biggest to 3rd by 2027 .. india has come way long seeing their democracy.. Unlike china where u kick people's asses, built ghost city to illegally boost GDP and harm environment. So do some proper research before saying anything stupid.

[@jiewuwang4776]

As a Chinese, I traveled to India two times 2010 and 2020, and I noticed a huge development of India, and I have a lot of Indian friends hope our two nations could get more communications in different levels, hope India has a great future as well as the same willingness of my own country, Chinese people was suffered too much in the last century and I am very happy to see a defense power to protect ourselves from potentials, hope God bless our blue planet a peaceful future and hope more cooperations between nations.

[@wuwei9176]

你不是中国人。中国没有你这种垃圾。

[@lifeisgood141]

I would not trying to appease the Indians. They constantly compete and bash China.

[@jerridrich5403]

@Joe Yin He's just being polite. You really think of yourself as a thing.

[@kellyr2681]

The biggest threat to India is China.......but they won't have to worry too much. The moment China carries on it's evil expansionary plans by invading yet another country, (Taiwan); the West is going to do to China what they did to the Axis powers in WW2. There will be little left of China's ability to make war the moment they start a fight.

[@綠色台灣]

你个洋奴舔狗

[@MarvinChenFantasy]

Is Vikrant completed? Will it be completed at all?

[@Chickenworm9394]

The radar system is not installed yet

[@lordlee6473]

Great video. All the critical parts on the Indian ship are imported and during war times, it’s next to impossible to find replacement parts. That’s its biggest disadvantage. The good news is that Indian ships won’t be involved in a war with any of the countries that have more capable carrier groups than theirs.

[@achere4893]

ladies and gentleman, pls keep in mind that Indians aircraft carrier, aircrafts, tanks, army, navy, missiles, are the best in the world, way ahead of the Americans and the Chinese....

[@k.k.c8670]

Game Changers I hear them say. 🤔

[@pedrohaonade531]

I like this one. Good job.

[@Empireoflies1984]

Yes endians 🇮🇳 are the best at everything.

[@jiwanli]

China: “we have it”. India: “we will have it”.

[@aaryankumar8770]

Now?

[@digitalpostman]

India has an Indian ocean to patrol and protect, while China's near-term goal is push back USA back to Eastern Pacific, so both countries need much stronger navy force.

[@liewjames2852]

The Indian Ocean is named after India but it does not only Indian navy can operate there exclusively.

[@sarants4488]

@@liewjames2852 same goes for South china sea and PLA navy

[@vc4510]

It is the cultural difference. It would be extremely to change. Indian are talkers. under-delivery. Chinese are doers. Over-delivery. There are also other weaknesses too like Caste system.

[@frankfleming1103]

Don't remember, India still has an Sun and Moon to patrol and protect

[@hjhghj462]

@@sarants4488 China owns many islands and reefs in the South China Sea(according to the principle of preoccupation) to be protected.

[@alexlo7708]

Gas turbine seems not likely match steam turbine in trip range except that they have plenty room on fuel storage.

[@vangpham2514]

a lot of hard truth neocon endians don't want to swallow from this video

[@Absolut531kmh]

Mhm

[@thenoobdashow7428]

we are not like pakistani who can`t accept truth. we indians know that china is far ahead from us economically and militarily. AMD WE Are trying to catch with that.

[@Absolut531kmh]

@@thenoobdashow7428 the fact that ur the only Indian I see being this neutral tho.

[@subhamtiwari6204]

@@Absolut531kmh me too

[@alone_mask]

Defending papa china 😂😂

[@edwardtang1977]

Two 005 destroyers have more firepower than India's entire navy, with longer range missiles.

[@blankpaper2471]

One Brahmos missile is all you need to take down Chinese trash ship on the ocean.. Big and have more firepower doesn't mean it will survive and win.. It's upto the Strategies, and analysis and good missile, defence system

[@edwardtang1977]

@@blankpaper2471 Brahmos has only 290km cuz you adhere to US missile treaty, YJ-21 is 1500km range travels at mach 10. It is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. I know Indian TV overhyped the Brahmos. YJ-10 is hypersonic. You can't even get in range to shoot at 055. Americans can't deal with it. Carrier defence is around 600km. This is 1500km missile. India has nothing that can touch it. 🤣

[@blankpaper2471]

@@edwardtang1977 bruh india is developing Brahmos 2 with 1500 kms. Lmao does china has weapon to counter it?? Barak 8 can counter ur so-called Chinese firework...Lmao no one is so sure about yj-21 being hypersonic.. Brahmos is well known

[@sfecgtt6084]

Ok sure, but one Gerald R. Ford can annihilate the Chinese Navy by your logic.

[@blankpaper2471]

@@sfecgtt6084 Are you with the Chinese government or propaganda?. You aren't even Chinese but you support it like your own country why. Did Chinese give u 1 garbage waste free chicken to support Chinese.

[@nomercynodragonforyou9688]

Vikrant is older, and yet it's only now conducting sea trials. The Shandong on the other hand is already commissioned in the PLA. This gap of service delay truly favors China. And what's worse is that India has a lower learning curve than China, and yet it took too long to get their military projects up to speed. Projects that were supposed to be domestically produced. But yet India still imports equipment, despite the risk that this generates in a modern war. While the PLA can't rely on import much of anything for their massive vehicles. Everything they do has to be made by scratch with enough time in the process to make it correctly. Giving it the specs to surpass its local rivals.

[@manofsan]

India has over half-century of experience in carrier operations. It's China which is the newcomer to aircraft carrier usage, not India. So therefore India is not behind on operational knowhow for carriers.

[@esphilee]

China use steam because this carrier is a stepping stone for developing nuclear powered Carrier. And Nuclear power carrier uses steam.

[@yours_sincerely48]

Advantage of steam turbine is any low grade oil can be used for the steam engine but the turbine engine need jet fuel A to operate. Therefore in war time...the steam engine could use any fuel available to be used even to the lowest grade bunkers oil can stiil be used. Don't underestimate steam Power. As for cool conditions, the steam preform better.

[@Lalramkumhlunsitlhou25300]

Aah.... quality content..... This channel is the best to watch when it comes to millitary machines ❤️...loves from India

[@EurasiaNaval]

Thank you so much 😀

[@zenki4666]

Very informative.. I really enjoyed this

[@EurasiaNaval]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@taykokhuat]

No way a country that is 7 times smaller than that of another country economically and technologically will be able to compete without sacrificing it's economic health of its country.

[@sadjiajfiarei3498]

not really india can build one. India is 5th largest and soon to become 3 rd largest economy after all as india has the highest growth rate. Whereas china is building multiple aircraft carriers by 2035 india is supposed to build one more carrier whereas china would have built like 4-5 more carriers

[@aaryankumar8770]

7 times smaller? Your point isn't invalid but the gap isn't as big as your claim China is about 4.5 times bigger than India economically

[@iaroslavosmomysl7970]

great video keep up the good work.

[@EurasiaNaval]

Thanks friend!

[@Emphasis213]

The Vikrant looks like a mismatch of low quality equipment bought from other countries and then nailed together.

[@geopoliticsjunkie4114]

Nice comparison I wondered this question in my head now im watching

[@biochemwang2421]

A clear mismatch in terms of performance. Besides, China's Shandong has been in service for 3 years, while India's Vikrant is not finished yet.

[@direwolf7491]

Vikrant is finished. And is ready to be launched.

[@biochemwang2421]

@@direwolf7491 FYI, a warship needs to be launched first, then finished and tested, then finally enter service. In the case of Vikrant, it was "launched" a couple of times already but not finished yet.

[@direwolf7491]

@@biochemwang2421 You'll see it in service officially on the independence day.

[@Chickenworm9394]

@@biochemwang2421 you know, the Vikrant is the only naval vessel in the world that was launched 3 times😁

[@zx9260]

@@direwolf7491 你们花了20年才造出了一艘航母

[@SHIVAsingh-p2p]

01:19 not the first warship built by Cochin shipyard . CSL has built multiple Navy warships over the years and trusted for it Pronunciation is vee-kraant

[@neolan2565]

Indian aircraft carriers are the best in the cosmos. They are way ahead in capabilities and technology, followed by the americans. 😁

[@Absolut531kmh]

No.

[@neolan2565]

@@Absolut531kmh why not?

[@Absolut531kmh]

@@neolan2565 they are not ahead than China's military in any aspect. No arguments, thx.

[@Absolut531kmh]

@@neolan2565 and if ur comparing it to the US carriers, makes it even worse.

[@neolan2565]

@@Absolut531kmh RELAC mate. I was just poking fun at them.

[@umarmurtaza7942]

Comparisons are between two similar things. China deserves a comparison with USA on only

[@rockycheny5437]

Great work. I am wondering how you manage to get all the information for your production.

[@gelinrefira]

Most of it are actually open source if you know where to look.

[@zhe8586]

Wikipedia is a good starting point. His info hasn’t gone beyond the levels of wiki.

[@EurasiaNaval]

A good place to find interesting snippets are the defence forums of the respective countries. It's a good place to find defects that people from the country - at least some of them - recognise. Also, as far as wiki goes, the native language version of the wiki is far better (e.g. Chinese). Globalsecurity is also quite a good website to find interesting anecdotes not available on wikis.

[@brianm1907]

@@EurasiaNaval But it is time consuming to gather all this info and hard work to put them into a video for us. Thanks mate!

[@spiruish]

Chinese and Indians, when they mix, produce the most beautiful, intelligent and sophisticated human beings. A perfect blend of cultures and temperaments. Forgive me for bringing up the unfashionable subject of eugenics.

[@babykingkong7010]

Who’s ahead? Can the Indians “purchase “and train enough aircraft to fill their carrier by the year of 2030?

[@thenoobdashow7428]

we will be making 3rd aircraft carrier and , many mega frigates and destroyers are olanned . We will be spending total 1.5 trillon dollar on infrastructure. So don`t think than every one is poor.,

[@babykingkong7010]

@@thenoobdashow7428 LOL of course “you will”. Like always. Only talking. Or should I say. Daydreaming. Lol. Good luck

[@zhoubaidinh403]

27:42 look at the wake imparted by the Vikrant...is that a problem?

[@indomitablesin984]

No, a misunderstood display.

[@springtime1838]

Has the PLAN considered a Naval version of the J-10 or possibly the JF-17 for use on the older Type-001/002 Carrier's

[@EurasiaNaval]

Interesting thought. I don't think the PLAN ever seriously considered either of the two jets to be carrier compatible, but it is a fair question. The J-10 series only recently adopted a domestic turbofan engine on the most recent airframes (the J-10C). The previous variants used a Russian-made engine that is not quite suitable for the fighter. Because the J-10 is a single-engine fighter, this predicament made its operability on a carrier hazardous, because engine power needs to account for potentially much harsher take-off conditions at sea. As for the JF-17, this fighter is not used operationally by the PLAAF. This is meant to be an affordable yet still competitive light fighter intended for exports to friendly countries, not for domestic use.

[@tren133]

@@EurasiaNaval They've already built, what, 200 J-20s? I reckon as soon as the J-35 is ready, they can easily replace the entire air wing on the Liaoning/Shandong with J-35 if they want no? Even 6 full carriers worth of air wings wouldn't be more than 300 planes total. Unless the J-35 is somehow not suited to be flown off of STOBARs.

[@thetreekeeper143]

The Vikrant much better than the Sham-ding-dong. 🇮🇳

[@mohan4114]

India need to build own aircraft carrier and own aircraft then start comparing.

[@AverageGuy916]

India Vikrant should be compared with China Liaoning instead of Type 002 Shandong.

[@krossfield9139]

Trust me, India doesn't need AC at all. When India can really build one by herself, the military concepts have been upgraded any generations. Or buy one from USA, when US navy replace them to new type warships.

[@sparkly3989]

Still stuck in colonial mentality. We don't need your suggestions what to make do or not

[@heartbl3295]

It is so ironic that Indian people just trying compare everything with China but never win a round in fact

[@BengalLancer]

Anit-surface warfare guns, more commonly found on frigates, fitted in a carrier?? Who plans to fire a slow subsonic missile?? and whatever can kill supersonic missiles, cam double kill a subsonic one anyway.. For surface target defense it should be covered by multiple ships ensuring enough protection!! Isn't that the idea of a CBG?? Those 4 gun mounts could have been better utilized with more ciws, sorts of Russian Kashtan gun-missile system. Mounts for Oto-76 ain't multi-purpose.

[@qiyuxuan9437]

Yeah, that is very strange...

[@gelinrefira]

The Oto Melera 76mm can fire anti missile/aircraft shells at range higher than most gun based CIWS. They are actually fin stabilized beam riding guided munition with very sophisticated fuses. In fact, the turret have built in radar similar to the Phalanx, SeaRam and of course the Type 730 and the shell rides that radar beam to the target. They are basically anti-air cannons and they are supposed to be scary good. One shell hitting will destroy nearly anything in the air. That's why the Marina Militare put so many on their destroyers.

[@BengalLancer]

@@gelinrefira yeah, most CIWS systems. Countries tend to spend for the best Close in Defense systems when it comes to a Carrier. An old Russian 6-30 gun and an anti-subsonic specialty 76mm gun isn't the ideal carrier defense weapon I think, okay for destroyers. Kinds of foe Italian destroyers expect and the kinds of foe Indian carrier expects aren't very similar. Up till now, Italian Navy had a big role to play against pirates. Indian navy is more geared towards conventional warfare.

[@gelinrefira]

@@BengalLancer I disagree. The anti air 76 mm Oto is designed to take down supersonic antiship missiles precisely because it is a guided munition with very high G maneuverability and longer range than most bullet barrage CIWS. The design philosophy simply go for small number of rounds but high hit rate, one shot kill instead of barrage of bullet wall. The 76 mm itself is also designed to be multi-role so you can do a lot with one gun barrel, more bang for your buck.

[@BengalLancer]

@@gelinrefira guided munitions you say, that should work well then. However I don't know how it will compare against Kashtan which most importantly, is compatible to Indian systems better. But little logistical issues shouldn't matter a lot I guess

[@ltrond]

China can produce powerful gas turbines, each 055 has 4 CGT-25M with total 150k hp, generates more power than the Vikrant and Zumwalt class, it's crazy for a destroyer. But 003 "Fujian" is still using steam turbines, apparently we are missing some very important reasons.

[@Absolut531kmh]

Next one compare the 003/004 to the gerald

[@shaunlopez8942]

China : Psst...let me copy your homework India : Accidentally hands its homework over to China for a price

[@netsimam]

India copied China tho

[@gyu-tm5xv]

​@@netsimam不，印度确实没抄袭我们我们也没抄袭印度这是两艘不同等级的航母一艘40000顿，一艘满载接近80000顿。 印度抄袭的应该是苏联的基辅级航母。

[@commie5211]

Side note, the steam turbine used in shandong is 453b, which is a Chinese successor of Ukrianian tb-8. And tb-8 is used by Sovremenny class destroyer, and Kuznetsov carrier(tb-12). With the collapse of Soviet Union, and Russia-Ukraine relationship getting worse the production line/supply chain got interrupted. That is the main cause of unreliable image. 4x 453b steam turbines generate 240,000hp roughly.

[@EurasiaNaval]

Thanks for the info, my dude. I had trouble finding anything information on Shandong's steam turbines, so this is helpful

[@commie5211]

@@EurasiaNaval I believe they are fairly similar to what is being used to 051C. One reason they build the 051C is to keep the steam engines production line live, so that they can later be used on the carries.

[@becoolenough]

Shandong and Liaoning are using Chinese domestic modified TB-12, if I recall correctly

[@commie5211]

​@@becoolenough I read something on Zhihu, here is the story. PLAN got their hands on tb-8 when they imported the Sovremenny class back in the 90s. After that, tb-8 production line had been domesticated and produced an improved version call 453, later been installed on 051C. The Varyag came with tb-12 that had parts missing. Since it is extremely similar with 453, so the tb-12(fixed up) remained in Liaoning. But the Shandong is installed with 453b.

[@nihuofosogo]

@@commie5211 TB-8的改进型是TB-12. 中国仿制的TB-8 称为 453 改进型称为453b. 库兹涅佐夫号航母，使用的是TB-12. 中国引进的现代级驱逐舰， 装配的动力系统是TB-12 是TB-12的最新改进型！ 中国的航母 ，辽宁舰和山东舰装配的动力是 TB-12和453b 的改进型！

[@mikegrazick1795]

This was a very interesting and informative video on the two carriers!

[@HB-C_U_L8R]

One thing that should be noted is that the Shandong is based on the larger Second Generation Kuznetsov class carrier which is over a decade ahead of the First Generation Kiev class that the Vikrant is derived from (generations are Soviet/Ukrainian/Russian). As a side note the American Ford class is a Seventh Generation US carrier and the British Queen Elizabeth class is a Fifth Generation UK carrier. Also the Americans have been launching aircraft from ships since 1910 and the Brits since 1912.

[@parthibanilango5568]

I feel like the vikrant is more for a fight against pakistan in which india will take an offensive role rather than a fight against china in which india will play full defensive

[@tompell3032]

India is obsessed with comparing itself with China. LMFAO...

[@moalzaben5554]

But Which aircraft do u think the Indians will choose to replace the mig 29 or to start phasing it out of the navy the superhornet or the Rafale?

[@EurasiaNaval]

This is just my opinion - I think it is more likely the Rafale-M. There is some rumours on Indian defence forums that the elevator on the Vikrant cannot accomodate the Rafale-M, but I have not been able to confirm if this is true. If there this is an issue, I believe the elevators or the wings of the Rafale-M can be modified to resolve it. Purchase of F-18s from the US imo comes with more political strings and limitations than what India is comfortable with, not to mention the potential to affect relations with Russia and China, compared to the French offer. On a technical level, I think the lower max take-off weight of the Rafale-M will be an advantage for a STOBAR carrier. The F-18s can of course take off from a ski-jump, but due to its heavier weight, its permissible payload might be less consistent under the full range of conditions (carrier speed, wind speed, launch position, etc) compared to the Rafale-M.

[@moalzaben5554]

@@EurasiaNaval understood mate, u are right on the maybe the Rafale because if they purchased the superhornet then that would sour long time friendly relations with russia that go back to the Cold War, but at the same time the Indians really want to get their hands on AIM-120 air to air missiles, I feel like they’re jealous of the Pakistanis having a large inventory of the AIM-120 specifically the C-5 which is a pretty modern version of the AMRAAM, and let’s not forget operation swift retort when Pakistani F-16s shot down a Mig-21 and presumably an Su-30 if that was allegedly true considering there’s no clear evidence they shot down an Su-30, anyways my point is that your explanation is right about the Rafale

[@moalzaben5554]

@@EurasiaNaval the reason why i like your vids because your are not biased, you’re always on neutral grounds I mean that’s how every weapons reviewer should be, not biased like WION or some Pakistani news outlet that is like WION, they just chat crap about each other and they always claim that they have the better weapons, when it comes to u man u always make good vids that are unbiased and is on neutral grounds and discuss how strong the ship or aircraft is, they’re weaknesses and strengths, good job man

[@EurasiaNaval]

Thanks for your support, sir!

[@moalzaben5554]

@@EurasiaNaval anytime 🙏

[@aryanyadav3690]

INS Vikrant will not uses Barak 1 instead it will use VL-SRSAM which is 50km & all other equipments like Ak-630, Barak 8 & Melara are made by Indian companies 🇮🇳

[@philosopherfrombed]

Barak missile system is developed by India and Israel and its manufacturing happens in India, So treating Barak as completely foreigner is not justified

[@yanmak2363]

TBH both are compromises. India's is too small to be a real force multiplier. China's flankers are too heavy and onerous to be of maximum use.

[@indomitablesin984]

"India's is too small to be a real force multiplier" That's factually incorrect. IN's two carriers can project significant command with perfect synergy from Andaman & Nicobar islands' sorties. Perfect for the immediate IOR

[@yanmak2363]

@@indomitablesin984 A Carriers potential needs to be maxamized to make a difference. That's why America's modern ones are pushing 100,000 tonnes displacement, with 3 elevators + full support group. India's are suitable for air defence, an some limited support. But power projection? It can't even deal with British territory in the Indian Ocean..

[@thenoobdashow7428]

@@yanmak2363 just do a little research before commenting bro, get some sense

[@yanmak2363]

@@thenoobdashow7428 You sound salty bro. I criticized both India and China with reasonable arguments. Typical thin skinned Indian response from you.. easily offended

[@aryanyadav3690]

Why didn't you mentioned Reliance-Dassault Rafale vs Tata-Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet competition for *INS Vikrant* ??

[@crashedjet469]

Why there are many Wang fang Zhang zing Ming ling ding in comment section

[@darkknight2414]

😂😂

[@rohitsinghyxrs]

They are spitting some hard facts and truth which indians are not liking at all .....as we all know indian army equipments are best in universe 😂

[@direwolf7491]

@@rohitsinghyxrs Most of them are talking trash. And trying to thump their chest as usual. Also their facts are unverifiable embellishments. You will know only what the government will say.😅

[@rohitsinghyxrs]

@@direwolf7491 that's the same shit all have been saying about china from 20,30 yrs....I m heck bored of it .....but when I see their STEM education and engineers as well as scientists, I don't think they need their govt to take sides and thump chest unnecessarily. Their hardwork can be seen If we see actual news ...an tbh it's alway better than just buying stuff from another country coz you don't learn anything then and it's just a fake pride. So I m glad they're learning by just not simply buying. Even if their products are inferior but still its their own.🙏

[@direwolf7491]

@@rohitsinghyxrs You don't think China didn't buy weapons from other countries? They bought a lot. Then reverse engineered them. Which made things easier. India has to reach that level without reverse engineering. That takes time and hardwork. And hardwork isn't always reflected in the sheer volume of results, but in the quality of the result.

[@Wbliss]

Both AC of China & India are in service with their respective navy & how well each AC performs in an active combat zone , would depend on many factors like how well trained the crews are, motivation level , effective support systems from satellites, marine & ground all well coordinated to feed the AC with instance data on the enemy. After all, no AC is invincible & maybe a sitting duck when it is in the wrong place & time.

[@ParikshitBhujbal]

India has been operating carries for decades now, India is probably the only major power that uses both US and Russian equipment & systems in its vessels and still enjoys good relations with both in the world whereas for China, the carriers are mainly a test-bed, China has to produce domestically because the US won't sell its tech to it and even the Russians are aware of China's long history of reverse-engineering Russian tech. As such India uses time-tested weapons & systems on its vessels whereas for China, its all a stop-gap till they can make something better domestically. In a war, you need time-tested stuff, not experimental or stop-gap one!

[@kesai119]

It's really sad that a country that can only be purchased, and an independently built country, you even say that buying a country is better. Typical brain problems.. It's hopeless

[@ParikshitBhujbal]

@@kesai119 Typical brain problem? lol China has been copying and stealing naval techs from both Western countries and Russia , everything China makes is a COPY of some other country.. So pls, dont tell me about brain problem, if China had the brain to develop on their own, they would not STEAL from other. But then again, China takes pride in COPYING tech, its hopeless talking about it with the Chinese.

[@ParikshitBhujbal]

@@kesai119 It seems instead of actively gathering up to date information on Bharat's naval capabilities, you are content with insulting others who have better knowledge than you. Bharat now as the capabilities to build its own carriers, Bharat need not purchase its carriers from anyone, but then, you don't know that.

[@desmond7914]

Towards the end of the video. this Indian-origin channel tried to create some hearsay that the Indians are technically more advance than the Chinese. But Eurasia Naval Insight is more or less a gossiper and monger. The fact is that the Indian carrier is generations ahead of the Chinese Shandong. Simply because it took only 2 - 3 years for construction whilst the Chinese took more than 30 years.

[@armageddon115]

India operated carriers from the 1960 and has used in real wars.....and vikrant is the beginning of India's maritime power projection....started when india is just an 500 billion economy...now india will cross 4 trillion by 3024(3.01 in 2012 and 3.5 trillion in 2022)....which is signing another carrier group of tonnage 65000 ton.... India is quickly catching up...

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

like China the Indian Navy needs to shift from STOBAR to CATOBAR aircraft carrier as well . . . India's very first aircraft carrier also christened INS Vikrant (R11) had a CATOBAR arrangement . . .

[@isuruthiwanka9448]

I think Shandong is better

[@zixinxia194]

You didn't get the orange paint job of Z-9S search and rescue helicopter.

[@EurasiaNaval]

I could have been more specific, yes

[@KarthikSoun]

Its clear India is buying FA18 Block III, not to mention India has P8 Poisiden.It will be more integrated with Quad. The TEDBF will also be inducted in near future.

[@ALWH1314]

Didn’t know F18 has a skip jump version.

[@qiyuxuan9437]

​@@ALWH1314 Catapult version jets can be used on ski ramp. But since the launch bar that connect to the catapult is serves no purpose, they can remove it and save a bit weight.

[@Chickenworm9394]

Haha so India has determined to crash the expensive US aircrafts?

[@russelfang7434]

Purchasing without limit only poisons Indian's own industrial capabilities.

[@thenoobdashow7428]

@@russelfang7434 india have started just now to make things locally.

[@max2008abhi]

Chinese missiles number only 54 and have a range of 9 km . Indian missiles have a range of 12 to 150 km and number 64. There is a big difference.

[@aryanyadav3690]

Both are milestone achieved by nations 🇮🇳🇨🇳 China has almost all as thier enemy in sea & very hard for them to become Blue water navy 👍 Whereas India has only Pakistan in the Ocean & is already more experienced Blue water navy 🙏🏻

[@SmallShark]

i wont be surprised that one day Shandong carrier will be "sold" to Pakistan

[@indomitablesin984]

And who would be the escorts?

[@aaaron2446]

@@indomitablesin984 the type 54 that was sold to them earlier I assume

[@ycplum7062]

The Vibrant seems like it is more of a fleet defense carrier with an anti-sub role and some limited power projection capabilities. The Shandong seems to be more balanced with more attack capabilities. My question is whether the stability/handling problems of the J-15 has been corrected. If not, then the advantage of the Shandong over the Vibrant is much slimmer.

[@peterlee527]

Most important is which quality are more international standards., like western carriers

[@No-timeforimbeciles]

You mean like Britains carrier ? One that is always out of service, 2 years old & in for major upgrades for over a year, British carriers are a white elephant !!

[@zzzzzsleeping]

INDIA IS 20 YEARS BEHIND CHINA. Go figure your comparison. Producing aircraft carriers is nothing to do being a massive sizes, its how you protect the ship when the time its operational. The United States carrier are extremely protected and secured by a fleet of sophisticated surface, undersea, sensors, radars and advanced support. The purpose of aircraft carrier is to bring your AIR SUPERIORITY IN THE BATTLE GROUND. NO COUNTRY IN THE EARTH CAN MATCH THE UNITED STATES IN TERMS OF OPERATING A MASSIVE SHIP --- NONE WHATSOEVER! So, its insane and stupid to compare aircraft carriers if simply a sitting duck like the INDIAN AND CHINESE CARRIERS.

[@richardkong4387]

You forgot to mention the Hypersonic glide missiles that makes the US mighty a/c a sitting duck.

[@alone_mask]

Made in India is quality, Chinese is Chinese. India is superior. Love from china 🇨🇳

[@fareschallah6773]

Vikrant is a good indigenous design and it’s funny when I see Chinese and Indian nationals attack each other on military threads over perceived insults We must take into account that China was able to buy the Viryag (+ that Australian carrier they Bought) and it’s blueprints which was immensely valuable in learning about large capital ships and the necessary materials and naval building areas which were gonna be developed to begin the massive naval expansion we see now In China So in terms of the ability to produce these ships and the speed of development for a 2nd carrier like 003 shows that China is ahead clearly considerably when it comes to production and development India on the other hand has much more experience as they’ve had previous carriers in their fleet And have another one in service right now if I’m not mistaken Vikrant for me is an Indian version of Shandong (an updated version itself of Liaoning)- it shows that they are clearly building up and developing blue water navy capabilities without the pains that China went thru as China rushed itself whereas India is taking a steady approach However the speed of construction is genuinely pathetic compared to China which might even commission 003 by the time Vikrant is commissioned But ship to ship between Vikrant and shandong I would say that the technology used on the Vikrant + the ship itself shows to be slightly more modern then the shandong When the Indian “002” carrier becomes a reality I believe that it will go straight to a 003 style carrier in terms of design and layout Great video as always mate

[@enzhus]

take into account that China was able to buy the Viryag (+ that Australian carrier they Bought)? Did you count india already has aircraft carriers in service since 1961?

[@fareschallah6773]

@@enzhus look above cuz that’s what I did

[@EurasiaNaval]

Thanks my dude - a balance comment. I agree that Vikrant and Shandong are essentially similar to each other as far as naval aviation capabilities go. The difference between the Chinese and Indian experience comes down to domestication and the project pace. Both India and China had some advantages in the field of carrier development, as you say - China bought the Liaoning (Varyag) and the Melbourne, while India has operated carriers for longer than China has. But for some reason, China has pulled ahead of India in recent years - I suspect the lack of necessity to develop domestic technology in at least some key components play a big role (everyone wants to sell to India, but only some countries to China). I think certain technology used on the Vikrant is more advanced (gas turbine engines), but in most respects the two are similar technologically (AESA search radar, ski-jump, 4th gen fighters), and in some areas Shandong is more advanced (CIWS). As an aside, I got a question for you: I noticed the INS Vikramaditya does not use jet blast deflectors when launching fighters... do you know if JBDs are going to be installed on Vikrant? Also, it is unfortunate that attacks are thrown around in the conversations - they are disheartening to read.

[@fareschallah6773]

@@EurasiaNaval reckon JBS might not be on the Vikrant - based on photos of the ship I can’t see the cut out of the JBS on the flight deck The carrier I reckon we will see those upgrades in technology such as JBS, EMALS, and other propulsion tech used will be on the carrier INS Vishal - 65,000-70,000 carrier being proposed for the Indian navy to replace Vikramiditya by the end of 2020s

[@indomitablesin984]

@@fareschallah6773 Mid 2030s

[@sarvajeetkumar4374]

Ins vikrant 36 plane and Shandong have 40 plane so it's useless to be so bulky if u cannot utilised

[@harveyliuistrong9669]

Combat radius of J15: 1500km, mig 29k : 900 km. Dou you know why?

[@erictan470]

indian spent more and more money and more years to built iti......wasting money and time.....

[@jayc2886]

China is trying to catch up with the U.S in all aspects and on other hand India wants to compare every things with china as well. why does India compare with Chinese training aircraft carrier? they already said that first two( twins aircraft carriers) for learning and training purposes. Chinese type 03 about to launch with electromagnetic catapults used CATOBAR system and type 04 is under construction nuclear power , type 05 , type 06 etc. Chinese made improvement by building one by one and we are agreed with Indians saying that they have more experienced operating aircraft carriers than Chinese since in 1961(first Indian operated aircraft carrier),but Indian the most advance aircraft carrier still using ski jump and Chinese technologies advantage will offset the differences.

[@manofsan]

China has natural territorial disadvantages for projecting power at sea compared to USA and India, and therefore China has to compensate for this. That's why China has had to build tiny fragile islands, which are still tiny & fragile like ships.

[@tianlingchen5523]

Comparing with India is an insult to China 😂😂😂😂 No one likes to compare with countries that are weaker than themselves

[@范伟-v7x]

😄😁

[@jppagetoo]

Building a carrier and fighting with are two different skills. China has only had use of a Russian built carrier to gain expereince with. That Russian carrier is not very well built. The United States has used carriers since WWI (yeah the FIRST World War). They used carriers extensively in WWII. They have used carriers around the world for over 100 years. The US Navy knows how to use these things in battle. China has a lot to learn in that regard. Expereince matters... a lot.

[@felixsu375]

At this point everyone is wondering how well the Russian equipment will perform in a real fight. If the Ukraine war is any indication, it will perform badly compared to the Chinese equipment which is tested to death and performs exactly according to specs. Last I heard rumors are that Russia is pulling chips from dish washers and washing machines to put into new tanks. Which makes you wonder if they can get chips for planes and other things. Never mind the AESA radar.

[@Fauzanarief-n7i]

I think to ukraine war teach us that chip are far more important than oil in the war. I think many of nation should habe atleast a chip reserve just like oil

[@gelinrefira]

Russia also lost a lot of institutional war fighting knowledge and experience over the years, and is marred by ill-prepared logistics managed by incompetent commanders and manned by poorly trained soldiers and officers. Heck, their pilots have barely any chances to rack up flight hours, much less participate in intense combat training like Red Flag exercises that push pilots, ground crew and logistics to their limits. It is something the Chinese themselves have identify they are lacking and they want to do the same kind of training. It doesn't matter how good your assets are if the people manning them are not up to the standard.

[@benbo4394]

Carrier are basically sniper of the navy, if the enemy navy get to close that the carrier has to use its defense armaments then there’s a big problem that need to be put out fast

[@lingth]

Vikrant has 0 planes for now . so Shandong wins.

[@superpooper_2030]

India not in hurry to self develop its aircraft carrier because our suppliers very nice people, so it’s India’s responsibility and humble culture to help our supplier economy. This is in contrast for China

[@aryanyadav3690]

INDIA & Navy has already made a new country (Bangladesh) with using Old INS Vikrant in the war

[@kalmenbarkin5708]

Why compre to the Chinese 002 and not the Chinese 003?

[@zawmijubizane]

Even China surpass Russian economy...they were inferior to when it comes to millitary....hence China could not be easily surpassed by the Indian Military....they must first beat their economy n take more than 4decades to surpass in the Military....This video's very good and authentic... Keep it up

[@VivekSingh-fb8vp]

Lol 😂

[@leexingha]

China's military is inferior to Russia? thats an old tale u r smoking. i could agree with tech aspect but not with other else. Russian military is majorly consist of WW2-cold war era grade

[@manofsan]

Nah, India's entire landmass is more suitable to projecting power into the ocean, unlike China which is dependent on fragile little ships. India has a peninsular landmass which projects out into the sea, and islands which sit near maritime chokepoints of China. Landmass beats tiny ships any day, and that will always be so.

[@leexingha]

@@manofsan dude, u dony know wat u r talking about

[@manofsan]

​ @Xing Ha Lee - no u