China's Aircraft Carriers are Catching Up...

[@megaprojects9649]

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[@AnonYmous-cf2ci]

I only got a few minutes in, but just wanted to point out that the Chinese Fujian and Shandong class carriers are frequently brought back to port for repairs because of shoddy welding and low quality Steel. Their first carrier is doing better because it is a retrofitted shell made by the Soviets.

[@THE-X-Force]

When did Megaprojects become a CCP propaganda channel? This ridiculous fawning over China's carriers, without a *_SINGLE SHRED_* of criticism, is just embarrassing. Get a grip. They literally just steal everything, and then badly copy it. They haven't innovated since they figured out paper. Talking about non-existing carriers with non-existing jets and non-existing "laser weapons" on them .. as if they are all to be a lesson to the world .. is a serious monkey maneuver .. and you know exactly the kind of monkey I'm talking about. This video is a joke. Almost as funny as a bald dude shilling for hair products. 👎

[@victorwaddell6530]

I was in the US Navy from 1985 to 1995 as a radarman . As a member of the Combat Information Center watch team I was required to watch a training video about the Melbourne Evans Incident , The HMAS Melbourne struck the destroyer USS Evans amidships , and half of Evans sank with much loss of life .

[@TK199999]

Most Western naval experts don't consider the Fujian anything more than prestige project. Since the fear in West was that China would build a Forrestal/Kitty Hawk type super carrier for the Type 003. It would be still conventionally powered, use steam catapults/arresting gear, carrier around 60 to 70 aircraft/helicopters and only about be 60,000 tons. Not a nuclear powered Nimitz's or Ford Class Super Carrier, but Super Carrier none the less. Which is why the US still fielded them until the 2000's. It was expected that China could pump out 1 to 2 carriers ever 2 to 3 years and once China had 6 Forrestal/Kitty Hawk type super carrier Type 003's. That they would effectively box out the US from East Asia and Western Pacific. Instead we got the Fujian a approximately 100,000 ton, conventionally powered, bad copy of the Ford Class even down to the problematic EMALS systems. The US never built conventionally power carriers over 70,000 tons as steam or gas turbine engines were just not powerful enough to drive a carrier that size. It would burn up its fuel so fast that it would spend most its time refueling and could only be active for few days at time before have to refuel again (with how power hunger EMALS systems that may cut into the Fujian's sortie time if not greatly reduce it in order to conserve fuel). This convinced Western naval experts that the CCP was not intending on building a carrier fleet to challenge the US/West. Instead their carriers were prestige projects for CCP officials and lame attempts to intimate their neighbors, though that back fired and said neighbors have run to the US for protection. Which in the end makes sense as these kinds of prestige/intimidation military projects happen in authoritarian dictatorships. As success in CCP politics is the only goal on civilian and military leaders minds not world power games. Which is why Xi didn't even bother to shop to the christening/launching of the ship, he knows its just a white elephant and has moved on to other prestige projects.

[@dakitz]

Who the f would advertise keeps w cue ball here f in idiots

[@getgaijoobed6219]

6:32 Liaoning/Varyag is a Kuznetsov Class “Heavy Aircraft-Carrying Cruiser,” and not a Kiev Class vessel. Essentially it is the sister ship of Russia’s Admiral Kuznetsov, but upgraded and actually able to leave port without a tugboat (because China actually had the cash to maintain and modernize it)

[@gagaronpew4382]

and they failed to replicate the "intimidating smoke plume" technology the russians have installed

[@monmonfiasco6391]

Im still wondering why Russia didn't ask China to retrofit the kuznetzov even though China offers it years ago during war against isis because it always breaks down now it got more damage in the port than on service

[@getgaijoobed6219]

@@monmonfiasco6391 honestly probably a matter of national pride. Russia is a major arms exporter - imagine what would happen to their image among countries that buy arms from Russia if they asked China, the country that bought the hulk from a former Soviet republic, and until recently, a major purchaser of arms from Russia, to refit their ship because they don’t have the capability. It would be akin to political suicide for Putin’s government.

[@andrewlim7751]

​@@monmonfiasco6391 Russia have its own defense shipyards, two things, 1. Keep the shipyards running 2. Pride ....can you imagine one have to resort to it's previous student for battle ship? So they no choice but to bite the bullets.

[@robertpatrick3350]

@@andrewlim7751Russia lacks the facilities in its yards, one of its floating dry docks sank and they’ve had numerous fires and equipment failures.

[@EricCoop]

Varyag was not a Kiev-class. She was to be the second of the Kuztnezov-class fleet carrier.

[@jons4917]

Kuznetsov is not a fleet carrier, the Ruskies don't have that classification - and it's limitations as a carrier are well known - it is classed as a heavy aircraft cruiser - in order to be allowed to pass through the Bosphorous straights into he Black Sea - the Turks have limitations on which classes of ships can pass through

[@Decrepit_biker]

​@@jons4917irregardless it's still a larger ship than a Kiev class, and had a ramp system the Kiev didn't. The Indian navy converted a Kiev class to have a ski ramp so it was possible but it's is a significantly smaller ship than Liaoning

[@ianjardine7324]

@@Decrepit_biker you make a good point however I can't take anyone who tries to use the word irregardless even remotely seriously.

[@Decrepit_biker]

@@ianjardine7324 I successfully used that word!

[@WildsDreams45]

Kuztnezov missile cruisers carry some support fighters, but they're not aircraft carriers. Aircraft carriers are not allowed to pass through the Dardanelle according to international law. 😉

[@bobbrown8661]

The Liaoning - When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade.

[@uberfu]

I thought that's what the chinese word for lemonade was.

[@yuejiang4601]

@@uberfu 西方把困难比喻为柠檬，不能直译。用中国成语只要四个字：逆流而上

[@PlugInRides]

But first you tell the country selling the lemons you only plan to use them for a decorative, table centerpiece.

[@danielch6662]

Is lemonade even a thing in China?

[@billshun3963]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@yuejiang4601这里柠檬是指有问题的东西 比如這辆车是lemon car, 和 junk 或defective 大同小异.

[@331SVTCobra]

The main advantage of a big deck carrier is the ability to operate fixed wing AEW aircraft, which will vastly increase the air wing's effectivity.

[@shenzhenfactory2713]

周一周三周五：中国即将崩溃 周二周四周六：来自中国的威胁

[@greggpon7466]

​​@@shenzhenfactory2713can't disagree.😂. Sunday day of rest to think up new false flags.

[@robertmaybeth3434]

did you mean effectiveness? Never heard that last word before

[@lagrangewei]

people underestimate the value of logistic, the same fixed wing aircraft can send cargo between land bases and the carrier. that is a huge improvement in flexibility, from emergency operations to transporting VIPs.

[@kingwing3203]

This is just a small boat. The US military exaggerated the threat in order to make its ally Japan spend more on military expenditures.

[@ignitionfrn2223]

1:30 - Chapter 1 - Early days 2:35 - Mid roll ads 3:40 - Back to the video 6:15 - Chapter 2 - The liaoning 10:35 - Chapter 3 - The shandong 14:05 - Chapter 4 - The fujian 18:25 - Chapter 5 - Type 004 & beyond

[@bluedragontoybash2463]

thank you

[@jorge113355]

7:00 Varyag ( Liaoning ) was NOT a Kiev class carrier

[@AbbyNormL]

Technically, the US carriers are also steam driven. The difference is the source of heat used to boil water. I spent several years boiling water on US Navy fast attack submarines.

[@phantomechelon3628]

Yeah but with normal steam power you don't have to worry about radioactive contamination. 😉

[@spartancrown]

@@phantomechelon3628no it just takes days to get up to power and out to sea.

[@factsoverfeelings1776]

I was in the US Navy for 20 yrs and deployed on numerous Nimitz class carriers and NEVER worried about contamination.@@phantomechelon3628

[@jamielujan2539]

Ford-class are not steam but rather Electromagnetic (EMALS). I'd imagine the other carriers are retrofitted but no sure

[@spartancrown]

@@jamielujan2539 their catapults are EMALS the ship is steam driven through nuclear power. It’s highly unlikely the U.S. would put money into refitting Nimitz carriers with EMALS when they’re building a whole new class to support it.

[@RuminatingStoner]

Russia does not have an aircraft carrier. Russia has a floating ski jump that spends most of its time on fire or killing its crew or on fire killing its crew.

[@billwill7383]

That's accurate.

[@kurtostara3274]

the Kuznetsov is overdue for a meeting with poseidon i was hoping to see her meet the same fate as the Moskva but she hasnt left port for this war her tugs are probably broken down

[@Zman44444]

Don't forget the crane falling through the flight deck!...Cmon.. Can't do the crane dirty dude. Show some god damn respect. lol

[@420bengalfan]

it doeshave a really good tug boat though

[@smalltime0]

@@420bengalfan The USN has nothing that can compare

[@ambition112]

0:00: 🚢 The video discusses China's successful development of aircraft carriers and their strategic importance in modern military. 4:24: 🛫 China reverse engineered and replicated equipment from a retired Australian aircraft carrier, leading to the development of their own carrier fighter. 8:46: 🚢 The video highlights the significant role of China's aircraft carrier, the Le ning, in its naval arsenal and its operational history. 13:14: 🚢 The video discusses the advancements in China's naval technology, particularly focusing on the Shandong and Fujian ships. 17:02: 🚁 The video discusses the capabilities and potential upgrades of the Chinese aircraft carrier Fujian. Recapped using Tammy AI

[@feifei987]

这太重要了，谢谢

[@john4896]

Two words : Quality Control.

[@americanmade6996]

Why do you feel the need to tell everyone what we just watched?

[@Decrepit_biker]

The Kiev class is a very different ship to the Kuznetzov class Liaoning was refubished from and the Shandong was developed from.... come on Simon, you dropped the ball there!!

[@jxmai7687]

His channels is going down hill in content, I came here for reading the comments, not for the video, I have no interest on it, all information is old or all online anyway.

[@zachhoward9099]

It’s odd because in like the next breath he mentions it being a Kuznetsov class

[@Decrepit_biker]

@@zachhoward9099 that was my point, he said the 2 Kiev class ships in the video were Kusnetsov class ... they aren't.

[@rammpage4468]

7:10 the answer is pretty simple, when purchasing those “retired” ships, Chinese made agreement with those countries that they would not be used as battle ships, and in case you haven’t realized, the Chinese government honored every international agreement or deal, so they kept their word.

[@dakotaDklunsford]

Sounds like you've got a broken bone for china.

[@RosscoAW]

@@dakotaDklunsford If stating objectively true facts offends you that much then the people in your personal life have my deepest sympathies for the weird bs they must have to deal with.

[@amunra5330]

Its weird when people get triggered when they realize that China obeys contracts and laws. @@dakotaDklunsford

[@josephwait7384]

@@amunra5330I don’t understand some Americans desperation with making China our enemy. They’re the nation we have the most important economic symbiosis with. We give them all our money. They make all the stuff we want. It’s literally the biggest international cooperation system the world has ever seen between two nations. China doesn’t want war with us. They want our money. We don’t want war with China. Our stores would be empty and calling in our debts our dollar value would be disastrous. Our government is so desperate to get attention off what they do/don’t do they’ll try and make an enemy out of what should be our best friend just to get the magnifying glass off themselves.

[@yuugenr7549]

​@@dakotaDklunsfordSounds like you're broken and brainwashed

[@magnaviator]

Varyag was a modern Soviet Stobar carrier (Admiral Kuznetsov class), you can see the Kiev class was more a helo carrier/cruiser.

[@xsu-is7vq]

The delay in 2017 was a redesign to switch from steam catapult to EMAL. originally the EMAL was planned on the next carrier after 003, but development was much faster than expected and beat out steam catapult in comparison tests.

[@AG-en5y]

😂😂😂😂 yah ok. EML that can't pull more than a trust can further than 10meters

[@dakotaDklunsford]

You mean the researching (other nations systems) and developing their "own" version based off the nice carriers real nations have.

[@user-yd4om1qw3n]

@@dakotaDklunsford wow their security sucks

[@uberfu]

There's a gaping problem with the switch to EMALs though ... WHERE IS THE ELECTRICITY COMING FROM ?? The ship is underpowered for that system. There's a reason that EMALs are tied to nuclear powered ships. SO EITHER with the FUJIAN being still a bit smaller than a standard US carrier; it has a massive electricity generator hidden in the hull in addition to the Diesel-powered steam systems which in turn displaces any aircraft numbers coming from this video orr any other source ; OR the ship is simply not capable of going toe to toe with a single US carrier (not including the shit ton of support craft the US maintains with each carrier). Launch and recovery times will be significantly slower while they wait for whatever electric capacitor used to charge the launchers builds up power after each launch.

[@andrewlim7751]

​​@@dakotaDklunsford Actually, different, the u.s. and french (purchased from u.s.) uses AC emal while the Chinese are using DC emal, more advanced than existing u.s. standard.

[@nepenthy9804]

Your choice of sponser caught me off guard🤣

[@sandraanders3721]

😂😂😂😂

[@r1explode1]

It’s CHAMPing at the bit, Simon… CHAMPING!

[@spencerburke]

AdapTATion too. Not adaption...

[@jamesnicholls9969]

there are many reports of a second type 003 being built, and there being eventually 6 - 8 carriers, not including the 2 ski jump carriers

[@jilbertb]

shill or wu mao? you decide...

[@Ninus316]

@@jilbertb There's a lot of both in these comments. And a bunch of tofu dreg driven copium. You can tell by the lack of even Google levels of translation skills.

[@andrewlim7751]

They should sell the 2 ski jump to Russia, they're waiting.

[@_Chad_ThunderCock]

It's 6 carriers not more than that

[@rizon72]

There are reports China wants 6 CATOBAR carriers in service by 2035. Despite what some say, China isn't building carriers any faster than the US. Fujian was started about the same time Kennedy was and will commission roughly the same time. Rumors of the next carrier, 004, has started has been around now for about 4 years with reports it might have been laid down now, perhaps, along with a sister ship. The Fujian has had several delays and the next two being nuclear power would be surprising if they don't encounter problems. So will China commit to basically building 5 carriers at the same time without knowing about any flaws in the design of previous ships?

[@andrewsmith2591]

Fascinating. I had no idea about the Melbourne.

[@blairreese3534]

As an Aussie, I'm embarrassed that an Australian government gave the PLAN this IP.

[@jaro4681]

6:38 Kiev and Minsk were ships of the Kiev class but Varyag was second of the Kuznetsov class carriers. Kuznetsov was bigger and had a ski jump thatnks to which it supports different and heavier aircraft than Kievs do.

[@JohnWetherell]

The J-35 just had its first aircraft carrier launch yesterday. It looks like you were spot on

[@zeddicus456]

The fact that it now has the same technology for the launch system as ours. Definitely something to take pause and understand what a huge difference that makes compared to a ski jump launch. More fuel, More ammo/ordnance etc when you launch… hitting harder and reaching further!

[@khrystleooo6994]

Without catapults no planes can take off with a full load, even fuel.

[@CorePathway]

Launch strike craft heavy with ordnance, light in fuel and then refuel once strike craft attains altitude. Inefficient but possible.

[@zenden9]

It actually can but a lot of things need to factor in. Full load J-15 take off is only possible from 3rd launch pad much further away from bow which will block the emergency landing pad. The aircraft carrier will need to go 25 knots against the wind. But this will put lots of restriction or delay crucial operating time in war. US aircraft carrier with steam catapult don't need 25 knots speed and against the wind and can launch full load F/-18 from twin bow launch pad. This gives much flexibility and greater reaction time in war scenario.

[@aeronautics6673]

​@@zenden9👌

[@迈德尔]

F35B?

[@emanuelfigueroa5657]

That's true for big plane like Su-33 (J-15), MiG-29K can do it from the long jump line.

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

"Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet." -- Jean-Jacques Rousseau

[@ericneely8821]

Thank you for trying to have the most videos on youtube, bud. I'm always happy to find more of your content. Am I right, Peter?

[@joelcoots8782]

love SIMON WHISTLER's podcast, I just have one complaint needs to show more videos or pictures.

[@jeffreycarman2185]

Thanks for the video.

[@lukhanyokongisa8798]

Most honest n sincere advertising I ever heard

[@johntaylor2262]

Straight up thought the Chinese named their carrier the “Yao Ming” for a second lol 😂

[@nevets2371]

Ngl that would be extremely based

[@FlukeyM]

Nuclear reactors also produce steam. They just produce the heat to boil the water differently

[@jxmai7687]

So, you think liquid = water, or boil only relate to water.

[@Vulcanus3231]

Can we get a similar review of the US Navy and then maybe a third video on comparing the 2?

[@MattSherridan_29]

Any chance of a video on the other PLAN assets, such as the Type 052D or Type 055 destroyers?

[@ccczzz86]

那是我们国家的军事机密😎

[@WeAreTheTrueMedia]

So the Australians knew to 'strip' technology off the vessel before 'selling' it but didn't think the catapult tech was interesting enough? 🤔

[@CrackingGate]

It would have been agreed by the Yanks and Brits to leave those pieces of equipment installed..... nothing like friendly competition when it comes to war...

[@statementleaver8095]

Yanks.... Winning by Losing. British....It's not the Winning it's the taking part. After WW3......We'll all be back to Sticks & Stones anyway!!

[@kurtostara3274]

to be fair to us that tech was pretty old hat by then and im assuming us the yanks and the brits figured that if the chinese wanted to build aircraft carriers theyd know how to build catapults and arrestor cables already

[@commie5211]

The only thing they found out was, the arresting cables were manufactured by a Chinese company call "China Tremendous Power Group", they are a cable manufacture of all kinds of cables.

[@temper44]

@@kurtostara3274 Perhaps they didn't realize how far behind the Chinese really were.

[@davidvavra9113]

Now, all they need is a century of carrier experience

[@namelesswarrior4760]

Nah! Just another 5yrs. Cos, we are just that much smarter than the west. The US has years of experience but still loses every war that they have been in since WW2. You wouldn't be able to afford anything in your possessions if it weren't for 'made in China" products at affordable prices.

[@pagghr51]

They can copy that too. They copy everything

[@THE-X-Force]

@@pagghr51 You spelled _"STEAL"_ wrong.

[@pagghr51]

​@@THE-X-Forceyeah, call it whatever you want.. china calls it "innovation"

[@arthas640]

Exactly. They're currently at the same point the US was in the 1920s. It's also hilarious he said China was making something "all their own" when they're using Soviet designs, reverse engineered western tech, and training crews with hired American experts and their aircraft are similarly Frankenstein monsters of cobbled together Russian and American tech coupled with Chinese engineering to fill the gaps. Experience is also huge. The Japanese made a similar giant leap but found themselves lagging further and further behind the more well experienced American crews in WW2 and the Soviets were even further behind. Training and experience are huge when it comes to ships, especially something as complex as an aircraft carrier.

[@TheMikeDaville]

Was just browsing the whistleverse looking for something to throw on. Perfect!

[@mukkah]

lol the "Whistleverse", that's pretty spot on man ^_^ And ye, was in same boat heh Great topics, delivery and length /chefskiss

[@KyngMark]

Frickin amazing vid Simon keep up the good work!

[@WestAdamm]

From an engineering perspective, I think they want the barebones version. By the way who trades the financial market? Is it possible to trade cruise lines or airlines?

[@BruceCartwrightt]

I do. Which aspect of the financial market are you referring to? Yes you can trade cruise line and airlines.

[@WestAdamm]

I was contemplating between stocks or crypto. How do you trade it?

[@BruceCartwrightt]

First of all, making use of a good broker. I tend to trade based on the volatility in the market. Cruise line and airlines have a good season to trade them. During covid airline stocks went down. I make use of good indicators. Although it wasn’t easy till I came across my mentor. He helped to keep me in the loop. My mentor is Bernard Paul.

[@RichardWest-]

You’re conversant with Bernard Paul. He’s been really helpful. I was a beginner in trading and didn’t know what to do till I came across Paul and he shared trading insights, gave me a strong trading foundation and introduced me to his firm, ever since then I’ve been profitable.

[@JonathanWhite9]

Paul demonstrates an excellent understanding of market trends, making well informed decisions that leads to consistent profit

[@DeusEx1977]

Just a small note, the Kusnetov class is not the same as the Kiev class. The Kiev does not have a "ski ramp" at the front of the ship and the Island is set much further forward.

[@Zeknif1]

It’s worth noting that one of the Kiev’s was heavily modified for service with the Indian Navy, and that this ship does have a ski jump ramp… but that longer, forward placement of the island does limit it to two flight lines instead of the three available on the Kuznetsov’s.

[@swampfox984]

Dear Editor, please stop ruining the audio quality. It sucks and isn't cool. Signed everone

[@johnsamu]

The unfinished ship was essentially NEW (although in disrepair) while the other carriers were already used before. The way the Soviet Union/Russia uses their equipment means those other ships were probably completely worn out and in a very bad state. It's the choice between two trainwrecks or one half build new train.

[@lagrangewei]

the Kiev class that India use was alot smaller than the Kuznetsov class. as Kiev requires VTOL capable planes which China just doesn't have, and the cost of refitting the Kiev for converntional fighter for India show it would be more expensive than building a new ship since you have to remove part of the ship to rebuild it. the Kuznetsov hull just need to be polished and refitted. China actually receive submission for carrier design from european countries, so even if China didn't get the Kuznetsov hull would still have skip the Kiev and gone with a european design. the european design based on european carrier were considerably smaller than Kuznetsov, so when the chinese has access to a Kuznetsov class, it was really no contest. Europe would not build a comparable size carrier until the QE class... so the Kuznetsov allow China to leapfrog to having the 2nd most powerful carrier...

[@RosscoAW]

They probably also just agreed not to use them as warships when they purchased them, which just means they'd be put up as public education materials and allowed to be poured over by every interested local party for the purposes of, ultimately, increasing domestic capabilities. I'm sure many of the designers involved in the 003 and 004 types have walked through the "museum pieces" while in the process of designing their Chinese successors.

[@gaoxiaen1]

Essentially a new copy of an obsolete design.

[@cboffard8350]

Really excellent content, thank you. A good introductory course on Chinese carriers, just what I wanted but didn't expect to find. Can you or anyone suggest any further introductory videos / reading on Chinese and Asian navies?

[@theenergizer248]

Next step will be to get rid of the "island" and have a completely flat deck. All observations can be done by having drones in the air.

[@SnowmanTF2]

Seems unlikely would be gone entirely. A nontrivial component of the island is a funnel to duct heat from ship's engines away from the flight area, even a nuclear carrier would need that. Then there is long range radar for ship defense and tracking their own aircraft, along with large cluster of antenna that need to be somewhere (with the higher typically better). The island is also not as impacted by heavy sea state, which might shut down drone operation. Even something simple like shifting to using camera views, and moving staff to a more secure position lower in the ship has some arguments against it, on being able to work through more types of system failures or battle damage.

[@henryorcustus3412]

The shipyard that is going to build 004 has just released the world's first molten salt reactor for a marine ship (a 300,000 ton container ship). It is widely speculated that this container ship's purpose is to test out MSR reactor for large marine vessels. China currently leads the world in MSR technology. It is interesting to see China leap-frogging on certain areas of naval technology such as EM catapult and MSR reactors.

[@ashrithrao06]

Hello there… What I heard is that China’s Experimental Molten Salt breeder is located in Gobi Desert with 2MW Capacity and aims to build a full functional reactor by 2030. So, China is planning to induct the reactor only after 2030 because Molten Salt Reactor’s primary fuel is Thorium and there is not much research in this field by world. India has 5MW experimental reactor called Indian Molten Salt Breeder Reactor (IMSBR) and another experimental reactor in Kalpakkam Nuclear Plant. According to the Union Minister, India has started construction of fully operational Thorium Reactor in Kalpakkam. India has been researching in the Thorium Field since 1960s. It was started by Father of Indian Nuclear Programme Dr. Homi Bhabha, but India faced a huge setback in it’s Thorium Research due to the Murder of Dr. Homi Bhabha. Would he been alive, the world might have got Thorium reactors.

[@MGZetta]

It's interesting the fact that the US invented MSR technology but abandoned it because the by products can't be used as a weapon like normal reactors do. lol

[@gjffudcgifvbju379]

@@MGZetta yes,that's why the us has so much weapons-grade nuclear fuel

[@ashrithrao06]

@@MGZetta That’s not the only case. Thorium can’t be used directly as a fuel. There is a process for it and highly advanced metallurgical instruments needed for Thorium Reactors aren’t developed at that time. There were many technologies that has to be developed and good amount of research is needed. Also Environmental Control at that time was least bothered, Humans wanted to exploit the proven Uranium Technology rather than investing in new technologies. Cold War also had an impact on Thorium Technology, no side was interested in it.

[@rizon72]

There is another rumor that the test reactor is the China/Russia nuclear powered ice breaker they are working to build together.

[@JD_Racer97]

The audio filter you have been using these last few weeks is atrocious. Please refrain from using it in the future Mr. Editor Sir/Ma'am.

[@momolovesyou9969]

It really makes me want to stop watching as soon as I hear it

[@MaddogMD82]

​@@momolovesyou9969agreed

[@chrislui571]

Chinese phrase: "quick steps in a short stride". This approach emphasizes the effectiveness of consistent, small efforts rather than large, sporadic actions.

[@Western_Decline]

AGILE, DESIGN THINKING, rapid iteration, China is run by engineers.

[@RogueReplicant]

Chinese saying: If you can cheat, cheat. Arrogant copycats, ha ha ha ha

[@chrislui571]

@@RogueReplicant Former CIA director, Mike Pompano: We lied, we cheated, we stole. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIPQdqaGepycp5Isi=6Hfzo7FF_TxRR-mX

[@后宫后]

It's just a matter of money and time. For Chinese people, everything in the West was no longer a secret a long time ago.

[@team3am149]

@@RogueReplicantJealous dog.

[@JuanLopez-jk9xg]

mega project Simon trying and successfully growing his hair back

[@testusersg]

The story is incompete w/o talking about how China acquirred the arrestor cables. It's really exciting and makes the whole video more interesting. Highly recommended.

[@十四弟少侠]

As a Chinese, I have been aware of the century long shame of our country and the suffering of our people since I was young. I became a military enthusiast in the early 1990s, and I witnessed with my own eyes the transformation of our military from backwardness to strength. The warships and fighter jets that I could only draw on paper appeared vividly in front of me, making people burst into tears.

[@jeffwilson1394]

Do the catapaults on the 003 actually work yet? All your footage has the rebuild-sheds.

[@xcl9517]

工棚已经拆除，已经在弹射实验了，自己搜索一下就知道了

[@jeffwilson1394]

@@xcl9517 cool! I hope they've figured out a way to make it work different from the Americans. Solving the problem is good, but finding a whole new way to do things is Great

[@jilbertb]

​@@jeffwilson1394 But engineering isn't a Chinese "thing". Stealing designs and trying to copy them, is.

[@dsloop3907]

@@jilbertb I worked for a German company, they told us Chinese were wanting to buy our machines. We were told NOT TO SPEAK to them, when they toured the plant. They were not sold any machines.

[@中国螃蟹哥]

​@@dsloop3907所以不想卖为啥又叫人参观呢😂德国人已经没有自信了

[@Kevan808]

Tofu construction like their buildings 😂

[@herrwolf5184]

ok kid

[@jilbertb]

And the C919....

[@_Chad_ThunderCock]

@@jilbertbthe c919 has 60% western components you hypocrite, are you saying their also poor quality?

[@_Chad_ThunderCock]

The Chinese army is happy if you underestimate them, it's probably exactly what they want

[@JRGio]

"entirely indigenous design" shows GTA knockoff of USS Gerald R Ford

[@Wegotthemeats187]

Great video!

[@eldridgep2]

There may only be 9 countries with dedicated carriers but the number of countries with large flat topped ships that could at a push handle the F-35 is a bit higher Japan and South Korea I'm looking at you here 😉

[@Kriss_L]

Japan has openly redesignated its big aviation capable ship class as an aircraft carrier.

[@CorePathway]

Yup and yup. Honestly the Ford is the last super carrier we should build. The age of AI enabled drones will make human pilots obsolete. Sorry fighter mafia and Naval A-vi-a-tors, you I’ll manage to delay it for a while. But face it; we could have an area-denial ai-stealth drone that could pull enough g’s to outmaneuver AA missiles, would be half the size (no cockpit and human life support baggage).

[@deanwilliams433]

I personally think the future is a cargo like ship that hosts thousands of drones that can swarm any targets. Tie that with hunter killer versions and anti ship stealth missiles, I think the large ships are at very high risk against a sophisticated opponent.

[@alexanderrohaj4794]

CIWS are designed hit much faster and manourversble missile, drone wouldn't stand a chance. Your doing wrong way, something which permit unconventional movement (drone) shouldn't be used in conventional ways. Instead of flying drone think about submarine drone. Minimal size, mininal electronic signature, stealth, and can get under the ship. Why ? If swim deep enough it can bypass the aircraft carrier escort and went straight to aircraft carrier. Not to sink, but damage it enough to make it inoperable. Flying drone on the other hand would likely got shot down by destroyer or cruiser

[@RosscoAW]

Why would you drop hundreds of millions on a massive vessel when you can just sequester private maritime vessels into the navy virtually whenever you want, and have each of them dispatch small clusters of drones? China's coastline is massive, there are plenty of merchant and commercial vessels that can be easily rendered into guerrilla naval assets, with the added "benefit" of deeply confusing enemy (cough Western cough) forces in the identification of valid targets. The last thing you're going to do with a drone swarm is wrap it up in a gift box that can be identified from tens of kilometers away as a labelled "Shoot me, I contain millions of drones" box just begging to be smacked with ship-to-ship missiles. At the very least, you're going to give it a nice fly by with your air wing, so they know to keep their drone cargo WELL THE FUCK AWAY from anything that it could possibly be deployed against. No, drones are guerrilla materiel, and must be employed in an asymmetrical manner. You can't just "American-ify" drones with a giant drone aircraft carrier, it's counter productive and entirely pointless: launching a swarm from a swarm of fast attack boats or, hell, fishing vessels that were literally fishing up until the moment they launch the drones, is the way to go. Which is to say, you'd be a silly billy if you didn't already understand that the PLA almost surely has plans for such contingencies in place already. I doubt it'd take them longer than 72 hours to insert millions of drones over virtually any regional target, the problem is that indicating you have the capability begs reaction from peer threats (the US). Same reason the US doesn't publicize all the crazy, probably extremely, extremely fucked up contingency plans they have to do all kinds of *extremely dark-dark fucked up military shit* if they wanted. That and advertising you're developing weapons and military strategies designed specifically to do war crimes and contravene international protocol on a mass scale is generally bad PR.

[@cliveashleyhamilton]

I like this video just for Simon trying to sell hair loss product lol

[@AladinSarsippiusSulemanagic]

A great bunch of lads

[@dunning-kruger551]

This truly is a mega project!

[@blastcrash8247]

hey Simon, have been watching your videos for a couple of years now. Love your covarage of the various Megaprojects widely known and specially the unknown. but this new oldskool TV segments aren't clicking with me, specially when listening to your videos as a podcast while on the move they are difficult to understand. Hope you don't take this the wrong way, I still love your videos!

[@rogaineablar5608]

It's awful.

[@dupes6248]

Simon you are awesome for listening to us and fixing the volume issue 🤘🏿 we appreciate your hard work AND willingness to listen to your fans

[@Harrington2323]

The Kiew and Minsk (+ the Baku and Noworossijsk) were Project 1143, the Admiral Kusnezow and the Liaoning were Project 1143,5. Because 1143,5 are totally different from their four predecessors they are seen as a different class of ships. Fun-Fact: The Baku is now the Vikramaditya, the indian flagship, and the Noworossijsk was scraped in SouthKorea. All six are not even aircraft carriers, they are (heavy) aircraft cruisers. The reason is simple, military ships as heavy as the Gerald R. Ford class carriers are not allowed to cross Bosporus and the Dardanellen. They were all build in the Black Sea Shipyard in Mykolaiv, Ukraine, and a normal carrier wouldn´t be allowed to leave the Black Sea.

[@SabreSix1980]

It wasn't just a verbal trick to get them through the Bosporus, it was also their genuine role in the Soviet Navy. Their aviation role was to get aircraft over the fleet in an air defense role, while the long range strike role was to be handeled by P-500/P-700 supersonic cruise missiles. Notice the difference with the Chinese who operate their variants purely as aircraft carriers, and they had the missile silos removed or not even installed in the first place.

[@Seanmmvi]

I think saying that, " Russia operates an Aircraft carrier" is a bit of a stretch...

[@leonardlackey2813]

When Aircraft carriers have sky ramps, the airplanes can't carry many bombs.

[@captives6479]

China's aircrafts have no intention of bombing civilians. What China needs and has is long range air-to-air missiles. Their new PL-17 has a range of 400km, the longest range in the world. It can take out reconnaissance aircrafts and tanker aircrafts (re-fuelling planes).

[@lazzie7495]

@@captives6479You say that like missiles are significantly lighter than bombs. The point is payload matters.

[@captives6479]

@@lazzie7495 How many air-to-air missiles do you need for each airplane? 6 is plenty enough. For bombing ground targets or sea targets (ships), China only needs to use its guided hypersonic missiles launched from land or submarines. China's hypersonic missiles come in all kinds of ranges, from several hundred kilometers to intercontinental that can hit anywhere in the US mainland.

[@smalltime0]

Didn't mention HMAS Melbourne's illustrious career, managed to sink 2 ships without firing a shot. A feat never again recorded in modern naval history.

[@victorwaddell6530]

USS Evans was one . What was the other ?

[@akaaoi]

@@victorwaddell6530 HMAS Voyager.

[@smalltime0]

@@victorwaddell6530 HMAS Voyager...

[@smalltime0]

@@victorwaddell6530 The ship was cursed

[@vakten8323]

Russia sinks ships all the time without firing a shot. Sad that it's always their own...

[@zdenekhruby9242]

Wondering why they did not convert two Kiev class carriers if they are the same class as Varyag (Riga) vessel? They are not the same class. Varyag is almost half as big. So they took for a blueprint the successor class (of which Kuznetsov in Russian navy today is one incarnation) instead of previous much smaller (about 2/3 displacement) vessels.

[@jetli740]

convert is more expensive than build new one

[@zdenekhruby9242]

@@jetli740 Thé point Is, it Is a different class.

[@中国螃蟹哥]

​@@zdenekhruby9242我听说辽宁号进船厂升级去了，但我不认为会升级电磁弹射

[@4TwentyFour20]

the most important naval vessel is the nuclear powered ballistic submarine...

[@kingwing3203]

This is just a small boat. The US military exaggerated the threat in order to make its ally Japan pay more.

[@manuelhausmann6422]

KZbins best Beard 👍

[@fabiofboful]

China recently have announced plans to build a nuclear powered container shipping vessel with its new prototite thorium reactor. its a really clever move since it will allow China to gain experience and know how to be applyed on future military vessels.

[@zbalderdash215]

There are reasons why thorium is not the goto for nuclear reactors. For the Chinese who only steal tech and are crap for development actually building a functioning thorium reactor on-board a ship is highly unlikely and it's more likely, if done at all, to be a mixed fuel reactor. And knowing the CCP has no concern for the environment or their people what kind of pollution will this lead to. I offer up the Russians as a perfect example of what happens to your nuclear reactor and waste when you're done with them.

[@ursodermatt8809]

yeah sure.

[@tallflguy]

lol 😂😂 yea sure. No country has thorium reactors.

[@J_X999]

COPE​@@ursodermatt8809

[@hellogoodbyestaysavage6283]

@@tallflguy stop living under the rock your country is not the center of universe 😉

[@Anders01]

I have noticed that while the Western tech industry boosts about its achievements the Chinese tech industry does the opposite! It downplays the achievements until they have something ready to be launched on the public market. For example most Western experts believed that China was way behind in semiconductors yet Huawei recently released a 5nm microchip in one of their laptops.

[@WeAreTheTrueMedia]

16:26 We're not going to acknowledge and discuss what could be hiding under the enormous temporary structures then? 😮

[@generalrendar7290]

They are covered because the PLAN is having trouble weather-proofing the system. They were still being worked on and possibly exposed, so they covered them to keep prying eyes at bay.

[@nigelyorkshiremanwadeley6263]

Its obviously the tables set up for the dignitaries lunch...

[@remliqa]

Those are are where the magnetic catapults would be installed.

[@asdfghjkl92213]

by now those shed are alreadyy gone

[@quasarsavage]

Is this becoming chinaprojects 😂

[@notthehelper6289]

Crazy! A weird Arms Race on the sea and the Air!

[@Mwhusa1957]

I noticed how you keep referring to China ‘borrowing’ technology without mentioning espionage. 😂

[@antonleimbach648]

The most distressing part of this issue is Chinas shipbuilding capacity. All of our shipyards would fit inside just one of China’s shipyards. They have nine more just like it. So China can build nine times the amount of ships the USA can. We are in serious trouble if we can’t even keep up with China.

[@lagrangewei]

is it silly for US to treat China as an enemy. just look at the war around the world. US has more problem with Russia and Muslim. and it going to get worst because the world smell blood. China is actually the least likely to get into conflict with US and it is a shame that US do not respect the importance of good relation with China.

[@robbogart6266]

You have nothing to worry about. There's a million reasons as to why not for the sake of time, just trust me. Were light years ahead of them

[@andrewlim7751]

Last I learned, their capacity are 27x faster.

[@flyingtanks9313]

Most impressive thing to me is the armament on it. The 1130 and HHQ series missiles are actually insanely good. The 1130 is likely the most powerful CIWS in service in the world today, specifically. It can take down whole swarms of ASHms and cruise missiles.

[@raventhetraumjager]

...Yeah ... right.😑

[@Ferociousplayz_11]

@@raventhetraumjagerWatch KZbin clips. Besides, China is rapidly advancing. American Hegemony is in trouble within only 10 years.

[@flyingtanks9313]

@@raventhetraumjager it has 11 barrels and is 30mm. 20mm doesn't let you create real fragmentation. It has twice the firerate of the Phalanx and each round is a fragmentation round.

[@forcea1454]

​@@flyingtanks931330mm doesn't let you create that much fragmentation either, not that there will be any, because CIWS systems below 57mm tend to fire APFSDS. Gun-based CIWS tends to be quite bad, they can deal with singular subsonic missiles per system, perhaps a couple of they are widely spaced, any kind of supersonic threat basically cannot be intercepted in time, there's a reason why people are moving to missiles like RAM or CAMM for last-ditch defence.

[@todoleo]

That snap of the fingers. 👨‍🍳

[@jonathanjones2835]

Doesn't the type 2 and type 3 have welding issues, ie leaking!

[@lagrangewei]

japanese report observing 150 takeoff and landing on the carrier's last deployment... its very much an operational carrier with better turnaround than the QE carrier... so all this claim of leaks is likely just anti china propaganda that mistaken watermark for damage. we know they are watermark because in the following picture, the claim damage could not be seen, the watermark has simply dried up on the next day. it not uncommon for sailor to wash part of their ship and leaving runoff lines...

[@NicolasAlexanderOtto]

4 years for the construction of a carrier? Damn, I am impressed.

[@user-ee9cz6mc1x]

They also build a hospital in 6 days; it leaked like a sive. Don't be impressed by the speed of the shoddy construction.

[@hermesliteratus882]

For any other country, this might be an impressive feat; however, for China, it's not such a big deal. After all, China possesses the largest and most powerful shipbuilding industry in the entire world, probably even bigger than the rest of the world combined.

[@Raksasaification]

​@@user-ee9cz6mc1xwhere did u get the news it leaks. Cos with modern pre fab and cast technology what they did was sensible - achievable by Asians countries like India, Korea, Japan if they pour in same resources to it.

[@ealan3694]

Yeah, don't be too impressed. Been following this for awhile and there are videos already questioning some currious satelitte imagery of the 003 carrier. Curious in that it looks like a fissure/split is developing in the flightdeck, indicating perhaps bad design or sub-par materials. As I understand it, Chinese steel tends to be incredibly bad, they regularly import steel from other countries. And that 4 years to launch the carrier was really just to launch the hull. That was the 002 carrier and to put that further into perspective, that is for a 60,000 ( full load ) ton ship vs the 100,000 of a super carrier. It's a sizeably smaller ship and ski-jump carrier is a much simpler design, because there is no flightdeck launch system. Planes launch under their own power using the ski-jump, and not fully loaded at that. Grantted, it was their first home brew carrier. Fitting out a carrier is a whole nother story and that took another 2 and half years till the ship was commissioned.

[@奥奥利给-w6o]

@@Raksasaification So why India didn't poured such resources into construction?

[@thefiveofour]

Saying Russia operates aircraft carriers is a bit generous 😅

[@Jiaqi-p5b]

I believe it’s still siting in shipyard gathering snow as we speak

[@acewyvern3489]

as a russian, this comment hurt. But its funny, cuz its true haha

[@phantomvapor]

Your vids are awesome and your delivery is spectacular!😎

[@lilsweeny1678]

THE SPONSOR GOT ME!!😂😂😂

[@rcs9795]

All 4 of the Chinese aircraft carriers are going to make lovely artificial reefs.

[@wedmunds]

I'd rather not have those oil-leaking boats polluting the Pacific ocean

[@brianliew5901]

Just as all twelve US carriers make great steel coffins and save tons of dollars for funeral expenses.😂

[@wedmunds]

@@brianliew5901 except they will never see the bottom of any ocean

[@brianliew5901]

@@wedmunds KZbin is full of stoned heads too as they kept deleting my comments Freedom of speech? Tell them to soak my coak.

[@brianliew5901]

@@wedmunds Can't even handle goat herders with AK47s in sandals and try swaggering in the SCS? Btw, the SCS is an auspicious burial ground for pale butts.🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@angelkilier]

It is believed that both type 004 and 005 are simultaneously being developed by Dalian and Shanghai shipyards. They will almost certainly have different designs. Edit: for the people who don't read the follow up comments, this is copied from one of my latter replies: I'm fully aware it's not pennant number we are talking about. Rather, 004 and 005 are going to be 2 different TYPES (or classes in US terms) It was in question whether it was going to be a second ship in type 003. It turns out the 4th carrier is going to be a different type thus 004. And the 5th is also going to be a different type. You guys need to understand the reason why they are in different types is because each of them has certain increment in technological advancement compared to the previous ship thus there are no 2 carriers in a single type/class.

[@malcolmjcullen]

They'll have got their hands on more modern Western blueprints, you mean.

[@aamerjamal]

There's no type 005... Next carriers is one sister type 003 + one new class type 004..or two type 004... Let's cby 28 China want 5 ac that's impressive when we saw they complete first one just in 2012...

[@angelkilier]

@@aamerjamalDude, simple logic. 2 ships are being built, no duplicate number is allowed because they are both different types/designs. so what are after 003? 004 will be similar to 003, call it a sister ship if you will, but it's still a new type.

[@lagrangewei]

@@angelkilierthe ship are number 16,17,18,19,20... 003 mean it the 3rd design not the 3rd carrier. the numbering are for blueprint referrences, nothing stop them from building 2 carrier following 003 blueprint. whether China will build another 003 is unknown as the procurement (yes surprisingly chinese military procurement is transparent as part of the policy to fight corruption) look like the next carrier will use different parts, but it all speculation atm, china has order the building of mock up after all, so those part could be for mock up than a production ship. it still too early to say for certain.

[@Komainu959]

@@angelkilier That's not how it works. The US has built 66 aircraft carriers in it's history. However there are only 15 classes or "Types" as the Chinese label them. Using your logic then the US has 66 types of aircraft carriers...that just isn't true for the US and it isn't true for China building a sister Class/Type ship.

[@mh8748]

Likely they thought the Minsk and Kiev were two halves of a whole. But when they got in to it, those two were two left shoes. So they bought the Varyag and built on that.

[@lady_draguliana784]

I know calling planes "aircraft" sounds fancier, but then when you say "aircraft and helicopters" it sounds less-so, since Helicopters are also, in fact, "aircraft"... it's like "ATM Machine"... If you want to boost your fancy score, I suggest the terms: "Fixed-wing Aircraft" for jets/planes and "Rotary-Wing Aircraft" for all types of helicopters... 👍

[@afnanmehmood3827]

Weld the rudders but forgot About the main aircraft launching catapult yeahhhh I believe it 😂

[@bruceonline]

Every country should follow this philosophy. Nothing new ever gets invented, and no one is ever "humiliated".

[@crimsonsaturnian6763]

the fact that china can actually maintain and keep an aircraft carrier in service that they bought from russia is honestly insane

[@zhengwenping4764]

​@@benjiro87933:38

[@afrolitious7930]

Ukraine were lucky fo have them. Russia let them have them as a symbol of friendship. None of the high end military tech belonged to Ukraine after the Soviet split like with all the other new federations. Russia was absolutely keen on keeping Ukraine in her sphere at all costs. At first with sweet deals and when they were no longer sweet enough they had to use force. Ukraine didn't have the blue print for any of the ships just like the Antonov planes. They are supposedly Ukrainian but only Russia has the capability to produce and upgrade them. ​@@benjiro8793

[@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe]

The fact is, the 2 Soviet carrier were both unfinished, when the Sovietunion collapsed. One of them is now a Russian carrier because it's Russian crew basicly stole it from Ukraine unfinished, and sailed it into a Russian port. That one is the one Russian carrier today which constantly broke down. The insane part is, the Chinese bought the other ship and made an actually working carrier while the Russian sistership basicly useless.

[@afrolitious7930]

@@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe it wasn't stolen. It never belonged to Ukraine.

[@TapeDeSpencer]

Honestly a Soviet aircraft carrier is probably better built than a modern Chinese built air craft carrier

[@seanbrazell7095]

PLEASE don't do that random simon talking out of a tv with headache inducing treble fixation thing!

[@HyBr1dRaNg3r]

Love Fujian teas😌

[@asdfghjkl92213]

try hangzhou tea

[@cliffwoodbury5319]

nuclear also means u free a lot of space since there's no gas tanks needed

[@lagrangewei]

this is not true, as nuclear are heavier, so you end up requiring thicker hull to keep the hull from deforming from the weight as well as to contain radiation leak if an accident happens. DOD has a report on carriers and their conclusion is there isn't really that much advanatage as assumed, as the carrier don't actually burn alot of fuel, most of the fuel is burn by the aircraft. at full sortie rate, a nuclear carrier can exhaust it jet fuel in just 3 days... with close to 100 planes, they eat alot of fuel..

[@peterwaibel4616]

Type 002 and type 003 have had hull issues due to subpar steel used in hull construction. Both have had hull breaches.

[@xinyiquan666]

stop lies, thats US carriers, US can never make high quality steel, thats why 99% of steel in US is bought from china

[@lagrangewei]

those are misinformation. some idiot can't even tell the difference between watermark and crack and spread that myth... China has build ship 10 times heavier than carriers, carriers are not a challenge for chinese shipbuilding.

[@xinyiquan666]

stop hollwood movie script, , thats US carriers, US can never make high quality steel, thats why 99% of steel in US is bought from china

[@xinyiquan666]

stop hollwood movie script, , thats US carriers, US can never build high grade steel, thats why 99% of steel in US is bought from china, and out of 11 carrier, only 2 of them are still moving,

[@xinyiquan666]

stop hollwood movie script, , thats US carriers, US can never build high grade steel, thats why out of 11 carrier, only 2 of them are still can move, rest of them either burned, or broke

[@obitouchiha1047]

can you please make a video on India’s tejas aircraft

[@adam68756]

toy

[@Tundraviper41]

The fact that china keeps the sistership of the kuznetzov in much better condition because of " less" corruption in the military ranks that allows the chinese navy to care and maintain it at the same time, where the Russian navy can hardly repair most of their ships due to constant delays economic or political, lack of infastrucutre, and generally horrendous maintaence practices result in a floating junkyard rather then a carrier.

[@VallornDeathblade]

The Russians fear what lives in the sealed off compartments of the Kuznetzov, the Chinese simply saw a free buffet.

[@jilbertb]

You forgot to mention corruption...

[@michaelharrington223]

Did you just say less corruption LOL

[@razorburn645]

So the Russian navy has changed over the last century?

[@asdfghjkl92213]

@@michaelharrington223 it is less compare to the russians lol

[@vejet]

WOW such a fast ship! Moving as fast as planes! 😂🤣

[@temper44]

There is a video on KZbin where a vlogger recently went on a covert mission to spend the weekend on one of the Kiev class carrier/cruisers that have been abandoned as tourist attractions.

[@jxmai7687]

The Minsk.

[@中国螃蟹哥]

我看过这个视频，如果他被抓住，应该会拘留 7 到 15 天。

[@jxmai7687]

@@中国螃蟹哥 里面死鱼一样臭，应该拖出去沉海里

[@floydhuang220]

@@中国螃蟹哥 天津滨海新区航母旅游区，是一个旅游景点游乐园，你可以在航母上拉屎拉屎，更不用说拍照拍视频了。

[@zoltanrudolf]

They weren't the same, the Varyag has a curved flight deck and the other two do not. That's visible in the images used by Simon in the video.

[@johnwilliams8855]

They haven't figured out the catapult system. That's why the covers over them.

[@ex0duzz]

They are currently testing them(launching heavy test beds into the water) and cover has been removed(obviously).

[@SnowmanTF2]

Maybe but those sort of covers are also common during construction or heavy mantence. You can see US and UK ships with them as well.

[@_Chad_ThunderCock]

Me when I purposefully spread misinformation:

[@Justa_Normal_Gamer]

These carrier's don't have "ski jumps", they're accurately called "cope slopes" 😂

[@Daginni1]

Dont forget they stole all the technology. China hasn't had a self thought idea for decades.

[@williamhardes8081]

is that the naval version of a codpiece?

[@KonradvonHotzendorf]

Special jump operations

[@smalltime0]

I think at one point the INS Vishal was planned to use both, but it was deemed as being sort of too complicated for marginal improvement. CATOBAR systems are A. Expensive to install and B. Require a lot of maintenance.They're still designing it and have said its one or the other, as they are building a second Vikrant-class carrier first. But given the Vikrant uses STOBAR, they might just opt for STOBAR in the end. Ski-Jumps have their advantages, but it does reduce takeoff weight

[@thomaszhang3101]

Congratulations, you just insulted the Indians, British and Koreans, all of whom plan to keep using the “cope slope” in their planned future carrier, while China is moving onto catapults like the Americans.

[@mat3o557]

Oh you mean those cheap toys they are making at a fast rate? 😂

[@tgsgardenmaintenance4627]

Experience is invaluable, but the Chinese are very quick learners!

[@rachelleintexas338]

Without NCOs who can make decisions on the fly, they’re screwed. Officers aren’t there by merit, but by who they know or related too. Ask the Arab nations how well that works for them. They have no command of the logistics even with stealing the info, they won’t make it work. Yes, the can bully the crap out of nations, but sooner or later, the bully gets a dose of reality.

[@dwaynne_way]

I am a huge warfare history fan and my favorite naval ship is the aircraft carrier, they are like floating cities with an airport.

[@dwaynne_way]

@dougaldouglas8842 I can't argue about that the new British aircraft carriers aren't living up to the hype at the moment. They have been a huge money pit.

[@Vaeldarg]

@@dwaynne_way China's "aircraft carriers", given its tendency to be caught faking everything, are likely more of a floating "Potemkin village" than a city.

[@navyreviewer]

Ah the carrier. "I live and work below an airport and above a nuclear reactor which sits next to a bomb warehouse"

[@nevets2371]

​@dwaynne_way although to be fair, the UK got both of them for less than the price of 1 Nimitz class carrier.

[@dwaynne_way]

@@nevets2371 you got a point there.