Chinese Type 97 Gen 3 vs Canadian WS MCR

In this video we compare the Chinese T97 Gen 3 with the Canadian made WS MCR
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[@marlenzacharias7301]

Type 97 should get reliability points, mcr will have problems after 1000 rounds like roll pin and stuff like that while the type 97 will last 5000 rounds easily without a single issue.

[@zhuravl-m2285]

A rifle can have the best features in the world, but if it is not reliable, it goes into the trash can

[@crvzer]

The T97’s barrel is cold hammer forged and chrome lined, which should improve the service life and ease of maintenance. Being piston operated it should run cleaner, too.

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Great info thanks! Thanks for supporting our channel!

[@blackcatpack]

That is for QJB95 squad machine gun only. This crazy beast can land surplus 5.8 into 3 centimeters.

[@Gin7408]

Same as their Ranger AR line, the 11.5 Inch cold hammer forged barrel is beast

[@sylvainh2o]

@@BlackBearOutdoors i can't believe after all those years the T97 never put a shell deflector.

[@blackcatpack]

@@sylvainh2o the brass deflector is the rear of the ejection port itself. Only elastic ejection need the deflector. The thing you are asking for is a face blocker to prevent your face lend too forward.

[@thomassimpson6901]

I think it's worth mentioning two things. Canadian made isn't impacted by importation bans/tariffs and Canadian made brings a lot faster customer service for warranty.

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Both very good points! Thanks for supporting our channel!

[@papermind4010]

Only if the Canadian made companies actually respond to emails

[@ts9271]

Support canadian manufacturing

[@GENINC]

Sure, as soon as they stop building overpriced garbage

[@crownember560]

I would love too if they would actually make a decent gun that didn’t basically fall apart in your hands unless you do a ton of modding to it and at the same price of what a decent gun is supposed to be

[@ahodgfp]

Great video! Picked up a Type 97 this past week and ordered the lower hand guard from T97. Keep up the good work!

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Thanks very much. Let us know what you think of the lower. Thanks for supporting our channel!

[@crvzer]

@Arch5tanton Yes. Preorder.

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Arch5tanton pre-orders I believe

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

@CADPAT SURVIVAL Is your lower on a Gen 3? Wondering if they work with the factory flat top or are they designed to work only with the T97.ca FTU?

[@ahodgfp]

@@BlackBearOutdoors I emailed T97 to ask about gen 3 compatibility and they said it's good to go.

[@Enzo505]

I would like to support the Canadian company however the bullpups compact design is great for the non restricted market. Close quarter shooting and room clearing excercises will fair much better with the type 97.

[@hitman19971]

In my opinion, a reciprocating charging handle is a good thing, providing it isnt located in a ridiculous place like on the SCAR where it will attack you if you hold it wrong.

[@beretta92x93]

Even though the mcr is ar180 design, the ar15 and ar180 design have been around for 70 years and still in production and still nothing better replacing them. The only significant choice is a di or piston version.

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Hard to argue with that. They are definitely great platforms and they provide a great basis for customization and improvement. My guess is they will be around for another 70 years. Thanks for your support, much appreciated :)

[@padfinancial1781]

Here is something many may not know. The gen 3 anyway, with the bolt closed on an empty chamber, if you dry fire it, and then turn it to safe before cycling it. It puts the gun in safe / safe mode and it will not allow the bolt to travel back far enough to chamber a round from the mag until you turn the safe off again. Now thats only if the safe is applied once the bolt is closed and dry fired. I guess in safe / safe if someone was able to get your gun from you they likely wouldn't be able to chamber a round before you could engage them again or run clear to safety.

[@danwhyte3524]

Thanks for your time and commitment on these videos appreciate it!

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

You are most welcome. Thanks very much for your support!

[@subdawg1331]

Members our group have had both. Most of them sold their wk, 180s ... the 97 had less issues. My type 97 is outfitted with a 1 x4 low power scope with a number 4 German ridicule..

[@aceshighdueceslow]

I feel that, currently, the T97 would get the edge because it is available and backorderable, whereas I haven't seen a WS MCR anywhere to buy since I first learned about it back in September (although maybe that's also due to me interested in purchasing the one chambered in .224 Valkyrie)

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Check out the facebook group for this platform. Good bunch of people on there and they usually post link when stores have the MCR in stock. Both are fun guns though. Thanks for supporting our channel!

[@TheMarky26]

They are everywhere.. just need to look for them..

[@Mark300win]

What is so special about .224 over 5.56 ?

[@aceshighdueceslow]

you can have heavier bullets, leading to a better BC and energy retention at further distances. Basically, it is a flatter shooting .223 that isn't as hard on your barrel as a .220 Swift or .22-250 and isn't as expensive as either of them. Outside of ammo being slightly more expensive I think the only downside to the .224 is because of the SPC case you can't use 5.56 mags but the SPC sized mags aren't unicorns so it isn't a huge drawback

[@d.mauldille1388]

glad to see the canadian market coming back.

[@five_star7]

Great battle...Go Team Canada! 🇨🇦

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Glad you enjoyed it. We had fun making it too. Thanks for supporting our channel!

[@zwayne5143]

T97 is way better than any Canadian Made AR180.

[@REIDAE]

On the type 95-1 norinco moved the safety selector on the left side right above the trigger similar to that of an ar15. I wish they added that to the gen 3s, but unfortunately not. The safety location is really the only thing that i dislike about my gen 2

[@blackcatpack]

Actually the muzzle device on QBZ97 is not bird cage but a... horn?(this is proper none for this design in Chinese and I am not fully into English engineering yet) . it looks like a bird cage because of it’s ribs.

[@adampellow953]

Great video. I have the MCR in 7.62 and love it but got my eye on the T97 for 5.56.

[@adampellow953]

BTW your MCR videos helped make my choice, thanks.

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

@@adampellow953 I am enjoying it for sure. Thanks for supporting our channel!

[@phourtwenteephorlife]

Live the t97 as an edc. Gets beat up and takes a lickin !

[@Javedkhan-68]

Very nice. Great video. Type 97 is the best choice . 👍

[@nemu3014]

"Start from the muzzle end and work our way backwards" I think you mean from tip to butt

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Hahaha true. Thanks for supporting the channel!

[@ryth-2401]

Just how many ar18 style rifles Canada has.. I feel like there's a lot

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

I know of two myself. The WS MCR / WX MCR and the Kodiak WK180C. Thanks for supporting our channel..

[@concertslivehd3336]

Actually none. All AR style platforms were banned by the commie Justin Trudeau in may 2020. They might look alike but the way the gun operates is totally different. The closes thing u get to an AR style.. is a fx9 carbine. Everything else is absolutely different to the AR platforms

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

@@concertslivehd3336 He mentioned the AR18 which is also the AR180B that the MCR is based on and hence not a "variant" of the AR15. You are correct in regards to the AR15 though they were unfortunately added to the May 1st bans. Thanks for your support.

[@streetsharksbedfordpoint6.933]

They all look so dope tho💥💣

[@ianpalmer213]

have watched a couple of your videos now, just hit the subscribe button, thanks for the good content!! P.S. what model of Oakleys are you wearing in this video?? thanks

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Thanks very much. Glad you are enjoying the channel. I have a set of Oakley Fuel Cells that i wore in this video. Thanks for supporting the channel!

[@death-to-dogma6142]

The Type 97 looks like such an all around mediore rifle. But its funky and I want it here in the US

[@luckythirteen161]

Great video, thinking about biting a T97 and your reviews are helping Cheers!

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Glad you find them useful. Thanks for supporting our channel!

[@huscott1468]

Any plan on mud test or reliability test on both rifles?

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Good idea but not at this point. Thanks for supporting our channel!

[@InstinctiveFirearmReviews]

Can you do a video showing how to use manual of arms on the type 97? How does one deal with that safety location?

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

It takes a bit of practice but there is no real technique I am aware of. I simply keep my right hand in the pistol grip and actuate the safety with my left (support hand)

[@changuage]

Imo the type 97 is the clear winner. The WS-MCR and WK-180c are both rifles that don't have great reliability.

[@Chris-jr2nu]

secret china psyop

[@petesheppard1709]

I’d like to see the MCR here in the States.

[@AndreyNabutovsky]

Great review ! could you share link where you got the trigger and stock from for your mcr?

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

KZbin does not allow me to share a link but I can say my stock came from RDSC and the trigger from NAS gins and ammo. Thanks for supporting our channel!

[@AndreyNabutovsky]

@@BlackBearOutdoors red deer shooting center?

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

@@AndreyNabutovsky Yep

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

@@AndreyNabutovsky Its the Magpul fixed carbine stock btw

[@canuckman6040]

Why are your standing scores so different but your bench scores are almost the same? Why is the type 97 harder to shoot standing up but not while sitting?

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

No, shooting fast with the longer trigger ended up with me not pulling the trigger smoothly. So they were pretty similar except for a flyer with the T97. Also we do not show the best group of the day, just shoot em and show em :)

[@canuckman6040]

@@BlackBearOutdoors Good explanation, thank you

[@kingcrab6234]

Very concrete comparison.

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Thanks!

[@georgeyuan9833]

Putting a piece of duck tape (heavy duty one) on the trigger guard, where your index finger is going to touch, can work as a second stage trigger, external, see if help. The T97 G3 trigger being less than 4 lb is kind surprise, maybe a concern. I've measured a handful of G1 and G2, they are 5.5 - 6 lb.

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

No need for concern about the light trigger since it is still a long pull, just soft and smooth. No higher risk for an accidental discharge. Thanks for supporting our channel!

[@adityaparam8736]

Well made, one question. Why didn't you mount the rifles to something while doing the accuracy test, so that you could control more variables?

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

.Thank you. For this video it was more of a practical little shooting contest. We did do separate accuracy videos for both and we will be doing more with some match ammo when we can find some. Thanks for supporting our channel!

[@spiersonfire5070]

You forgot to mention ease of field stripping/cleaning in your point system but great video!

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Good catch. Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for supporting our channel!

[@chengeorge5751]

Any ideas to put a picatinny rail under the t97? Drill holes?

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

The only way I know is buy using the T97.ca lower.

[@REIDAE]

the lower is polymer and there a decent amount of space under it. You can pretty easily attach a picatinny rail by just drilling some holes in it

[@neveragain000]

If you search for the channel "Crazy Dave" (Canadian KZbinr) he shows how he added an angled fore grip on his. essentially he drilled holes into the existing lower then attached the grip.

[@CommieCrusher87]

How do I change the charging handle on the T97 from the right side to the left side? I broke down the top, but I couldn’t get the charging handle to come out? Help!!

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Once you remove the hex screw that holds it in place you can pull it out. Mine was tight so I tapped it out with a soft punch. Hope it helps.

[@CommieCrusher87]

@@BlackBearOutdoors thanks a lot man. Mine is tight too, but I didn’t want to tap it and break it. I will try in the am. I really enjoy your channel. 👍🏻

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Stephen R no problem. Be careful and use a soft punch 😉

[@perrinayebarra]

If only we could get a rifle with the ergos of the ar180 but the reliability of the T97. Too much to ask for I guess.

[@P-12]

Quickly changing magazines should have also been part of the test, if someone is using one of these rifles in a 3 gun competition it can really make a difference how fast you can change the magazines out.

[@saucybaka4439]

What kind of grip is that on the mcr, it looks great !

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

That is the BCM Mod 0 grip

[@saucybaka4439]

@@BlackBearOutdoors I mean the verticle grip, it's an RVG grip correct ?

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

@@saucybaka4439 yep spot on

[@saucybaka4439]

@@BlackBearOutdoors awesome thanks for the prompt replies brother !

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

@@saucybaka4439 You are most welcome

[@ueg-zm8wf]

wk180c or ws mcr.....cant find right answer at internet...

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Check out the WS MCR facebook group. Good info there

[@kamsankowski6341]

I got the type 97. It's a ak rip off and runs great. I am having issues with accuracy. She will group 3 shots at 50 yards to one inch but every shot after the walks 2.5 inches up and stays there....... until she starts to cool and drops back. Now I'm not a very experienced shooter but at 50 yards isn't that a bit much? Or is that normal?

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Try using a heavier round. We do have a couple of accuracy videos that you can compare results to also. Hope it helps

[@ryannorman8900]

Great comparison

[@bjjfanatic5027]

Great videos sir! Thank you

[@eman2498]

I loved my t97, only problem is it was keyholing after 2+ rounds. Bought it brand new. Too bad.

[@rolsson1693]

Please do KELTEC RDB next! It’s a another choice for Canadians.

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Would love to if I can get my hand on one :) Thanks for supporting our channel!

[@basedcanadian6869]

I like T97 but I'd buy Kel Tec all day just cuz I don't want to support China

[@Mark300win]

@@basedcanadian6869 👍

[@ImpulseToAdrenaline]

Finally! Thanks for the video!

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

You are most welcome. Thanks for you support :)

[@andreyv1668]

I thought .223 will give better group. Yesterday I shooted from Ruger 7.62x39 used 7.62x39 chinese surplus ammo 1970 year, 1.5 inch group, 100 yards.

[@michaelrhodes6461]

Buddy bought a gen 3 t 97 and new has gas problems.He was telling me cheap Chinese crap

[@PIFFthePUFF420]

Before I watch this I'm going to predict the type 97 is a much better overall firearm vs something that is basically an ar15 with a Canadian made lower and upper that uses an outdated dual spring bolt carrier... 180c has countless complaints and most people report they don't fire over 1000 rounds without smthn breaking.

[@beardannyboy]

Great info, but you definitely didn't make it an easy decision, both seem worthy

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

They are both fun each in its own way though :) Thanks for supporting our channel!

[@callumduncan1298]

Great review! Realy enjoy your content!

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for supporting our channel!

[@johnnybbgunner2136]

Why no fingerprints allowed on your rifles?

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

They are it just looks bad on camera under the lights 😁

[@johnnybbgunner2136]

@@BlackBearOutdoors Going to clean my rifles and wipe all prints off now going forward.😂

[@johnnybbgunner2136]

It does make a difference. My rifle has paw prints all over it.

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

@@johnnybbgunner2136 😂 Under normal light it looks fine but under my lights it looks like a crime scene

[@johnnybbgunner2136]

Things I learn on KZbin.😂

[@ronliang7686]

Type 97 rock solid , the MCR Wk180 is pure garbage. Even for gen 2 wk180, still garbage.

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Never shot a WK myself. But the T97 is solid I agree.

[@valentinloghin4004]

Very nice presentation congrats !!

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for supporting our channel!

[@bigrickshaberdashery2759]

WS MCR 5.56 is becoming a 300 black out....

[@455OutLaw]

WS MCR vs Type81 No Red Dot just old fashion way Plz!!

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

If I can get a Type 81 sure

[@6poundsoft]

@@BlackBearOutdoors you in Alberta i have a fixed stock 81 you can borrow for the test . All factory

[@tylitke3691]

By the time you point the MCR at at enemy using type 97 he has already shot you 3 times

[@bricharsstormsmeadowlakesk2653]

Have you ever seen a lefty shoot a Type 97? Ambidextrous mag release is completely useless. Due to length of pull, in my case as a lefty, ejected shells would actually go right in my mouth. Right hand bullpups are virtually impossible for a lefty to shoot. Just for future reference.

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Good to know. Thanks for the info.

[@bricharsstormsmeadowlakesk2653]

@@BlackBearOutdoors absolutely! Cheers! If you ever have lefty questions just sub my channel and ask anytime.

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

@@bricharsstormsmeadowlakesk2653 Subbed thanks!

[@scottbuckley6578]

I'm left and shoot my right handed i don't have a problem

[@stephperrier8306]

Well I'm a lefty on a T97 gen 3 and I have no problems. I added a 1 inch scope riser for my LPVO cause I like a high scope fix. Also with the ejection trajectory at a 2 o'clock angle. All is good for now.

[@09rg]

good job

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Thanks very much. Appreciate your support!

[@TheDEXMAN11]

Type 97 ambi for lefty, But lefty gets ejected case in the face.

[@BlackBearOutdoors]

Pretty much. Left handed guy tried mine at the range and got hit like that.

[@Mark300win]

I’d buy Canadian over chinese any day

[@bigfatsheep]

How about buy middle eastern guns lol

[@Mark300win]

@@bigfatsheep isn’t Turkish guns mainstream today;) keep on trolling

[@bigfatsheep]

@@Mark300win lmao does turkey produce guns? I didnt even know that

[@wrxs1781]

If you are left handed do not buy a T97.

[@lotfyken2759]

I buy only made in Canada

[@anatineduo4289]

fun