Chinese vs Russian clean form

First video:
• Lu Xiaojun (77kg, Chin...
Second video:
• 210 KG Clean and Jerk ...
Third video:
• CLEAN and JERK / Olymp...

[@pizrux6592]

Hey guys so this video is blowing up for some reason but I have read all the negative comments and I agree with them, this video was made because I was just bored so I didn’t really do that much research but this is not telling you what form to use it is just showing two different types of clean forms

[@RogueHirowa]

Thank youtube algorithms and bored people in lockdown xD

[@saitama9641]

Bruh -Ve comments are like those 1% of left over germs "they're everywhere"

[@DBoone123]

I love you

[@pizrux6592]

@@DBoone123love you to

[@azonweaponx]

Ah bro respect! You gave us a reason to use our brains during lockdown hahahaha

[@trapsarenotgay8228]

No. No. You’re mistaken, the Russian form does not jump under the bar, Russian moves the planet from under him.

[@НикитаЕвгенич-г8с]

Ага, мы такие

[@rdred8693]

lol at your picture

[@HoobleyWoobley]

The Chinese lift was so graceful/clean, but the Russian one was just pure brute strength and technicality. Both equally fascinating

[@copyninja8756]

Pure brute strength AND technicality? Hmmm 🤔

[@barrackobama6153]

@@copyninja8756 you still need to have perfect form for the russian method to work.

[@michaelreader2929]

Brute steroids

[@grandmastersenseichosenone2742]

@@michaelreader2929 Roids are useless without good form.

[@abrakadabra9033]

Asian used strength the Russian used momentum. Asian did it slow, Russian did it really fast.

[@iwantlee9510]

There's not a single weightlifter in the world better at cleaning than Tian Tao. The dude's a wizard.

[@sult4ncagri]

clarance kennedy does :D

[@siciliancannoliandanespres6021]

@@sult4ncagri t. clarence fan boy

[@lincoln9939]

@@sult4ncagri *Tian Tao has left the chat*

[@diegoforlong9761]

@@sult4ncagri bruh

[@sult4ncagri]

@@diegoforlong9761 cmon guys not so different clarance best clean and jerk 220 kg tian tao best clean and jerk 231 kg and clarance 100 kg tao is 96 kg and clarance is much taller than him

[@ashesofhopesinabonfireofdr6341]

Different people have different levers, limb length, muscle attachment points and a lot of other things. Try out the movement that you feel suits you best.

[@bloodbousin1671]

hello, how can i figure out what forms are best for me is there a website where i can put measurements or something like that? or is this more a question for a olympic level trainer?

[@ashesofhopesinabonfireofdr6341]

@@bloodbousin1671 you can measure the length of your limbs but muscle attachment, ligaments, previous injuries, bone density and other factors make it impossible to find the perfect method for you. Trial and error with not too heavy weights should give you an idea about your own anatomy. No-one knows your body better than you, asking doctors for advice could be helpful though.

[@Mylada]

If you have long back and short femurs, look at the Chinese lifters. Longer femurs and shorter back, look at Russians.

[@hunterholistichealth]

💯

[@hunterholistichealth]

@@bloodbousin1671 basically, organise and brace your spine and squeeze your glutes before addressing the bar. Load the glutes and hamstrings first as the the muscles you load first will be engaged maximally throughout the movement (load order sequencing). Pull from the hips and practice ‘greasing the groove’ (Pavel Tsatsouilline’s philosophy) with deadlifts where you pull in this manner. Then, once efficient in the movement pattern, move to high pulls then, power cleans, then full cleans.

[@neoaguirre141]

In russia, you don't lift weights the weight lifts you.

[@szabolcs_eleki]

*JJJ laugh*

[@josephderilo6579]

What does that even mean?

[@renaldiharianza2993]

@@josephderilo6579 its an inside joke

[@apexplaya9828]

*Very creative*

[@afrobossi8360]

In Russia you're not in Russia, Russia is in you

[@5amohtaerg60]

Body proportion is one aspect, and the muscle strength of certain parts is also decisive. During the second pull, the Double Knee Bend （引膝） technique of the Chinese weightlifting system reserves more knee angles and exerts more leg strength, while the Russian technique hardly reserves the knee angles and exerts more hip strength. A person with stronger leg strength should be more inclined to Chinese techniques, and a person with greater waist and hip strength (such as klokov who has very strong pulls) will have better results when they choose Russian techniques. However, it is not that simple. We take a specific example: Shizhiyong’s waist is relatively short, so technically he has more waist and hip strength. (It's not wrong cuz his pull is very strong). At the same time, his arms are long (longer arms will lead to lower contact point, which is bad in the chinese weightlifting system). In theory, he should go with the Russian way. In fact, when we watched Shi’s early video, he did use more hip power, which does not look like traditional Chinese weightlifting techniques. Shi has been adjusting his skills since 2011. In the end, he still found that for himself, retaining more knee angles and using more leg strength will bring better results. His solution to overly long arms is to actively bend them to obtain a higher contact point. Many people think that their arms are relatively long (some of them don't even have very long arms that would cause a low contact point) so they chose the russian way, which is not necessarily the best for them. Some people think that their limbs are relatively short so they choose the Chinese way, but their waist and hip strength is much greater than their leg strength. My point is: Eventually everyone should try more to find the best way for them, instead of making simple choices between Chinese technique and Russian technique. Brief notes on the Double Knee Bend（引膝） technique: To extend the hip while actively flexing both knees to complete the concessional work. Before reaching the contact point, continue to stretch the hips and extend the body, so that the barbell rises close to the body. At the same time, move the knee forward and push the hip so that the hip is approaching the barbell. Knees and hips move forward to the center of gravity line, and at the same time, when the hip is continuously extended and the upper body is lifted with the bell, the barbell also approaches the center of gravity line.

[@Chankcho]

Thank you dude. Apreciate the tips and your knowledge. Big fan of Shizhi, but also of the Aukadov's bang style.

[@kalanisong]

👍

[@joshuawall2590]

Both forms looks pretty clean to me.

[@ohfivenollfem]

Extremery clean, especially Lu Xiaojun in my opinion

[@bendover7152]

@@ohfivenollfem i think you missed a joke.

[@Tukaran5458]

You’re such a jerk 😂

[@ohfivenollfem]

@@bendover7152 i was kidding as well :)

[@bendover7152]

@@ohfivenollfem i hope so.

[@moon-u]

When it was time for the Russian part I swear to God I was expecting something Legendary with the soviet background music. 😂😂

[@thematturbator2146]

Idk why I got recommended this, I haven’t been to the gym in 10 months

[@jjaev]

this is a sign

[@MaddieFishblob]

Other weight lifters: ooo look at the technique differences Me: ooo look at those massive quad muscles! 😆

[@conchubhar9492]

This is the sport of weightlifting, not powerlifting.

[@AlexM-mz7rx]

@@conchubhar9492 his comment is referring to bodybuilding, not powerlifting

[@Zhengrui0]

Him: thank goodness they aren't showing *me* in these tights from the front!

[@conchubhar9492]

@@AlexM-mz7rx they edited the comment after I made mine.

[@hboig8676]

@@AlexM-mz7rx have you seen powerlifters quads?

[@hookoffthejab1]

Prevents damage to your skin

[@sunnysideup5826]

Saw this too lol

[@fabiotieri3155]

They're built different anatomically and therefore use different techniques.

[@radicalbradical3164]

that's one stupid ass comment.

[@professionalfangster1510]

@@radicalbradical3164 Be nice. May you explain why?

[@ladybooog]

@@radicalbradical3164 loser lol

[@radicalbradical3164]

@@professionalfangster1510 because the only difference is height? It’s mostly due to coaching. To chalk it up to anatomy is stupid.

[@durrantmiller8810]

@@radicalbradical3164 limb proportions

[@azonweaponx]

The anatomy of the two are very different. They both use their bodies in totality. The only difference and literally the only difference is their feet placement. Chinese are taught to stay grounded and push with the legs. Russians are taught to jump i.e. push extensively until the feet come up off the ground and land their feet by pulling themselves under the bar. No real difference in tech. Just methodologies, and anatomy. I understand your video tho. Also people don't think about coaching cues. What could work for me won't work for anyone else. The word "Dip" doesn't work for me. I lose tension and I lose the weight. "Push" because I have to physically feel my legs to keep tension throughout the entire movement.

[@Zen-t2j]

What you described is different technique lol

[@azonweaponx]

@Mertimer Wesley who ever you think my friend 😊

[@TheMendo123]

Is it because asians have very thick powerful legs compared to the upperbody?

[@azonweaponx]

@@TheMendo123 Not exactly. The only difference between Russian and Chinese as far as the anatomy of legs; the Chinese have shorter femurs then most lifters. Doesn't really have to anything with "leg strength" or "force output"

[@leon2876]

„The only difference is that they use completely different techniques, but apart from that there are no real differences in technique.“

[@ryanreviews8566]

This is one BEAUTIFUL BREAKDOWN, simple and straight to the point. Thank you very much! this will really help me decide on what technique to follow through for weightlifting.

[@MG-uk9ry]

Look into Catalyst Athletics. Greg Everett does a far better job explaining the nuances to weightlifting

[@trainershatehim]

The problem is, it's not this simple, and if you try to make it this simple, you won't ever understand the sport as well as most people strive to. Calling something textbook is itself a falsehood, because every person's body and leverages are different. @M G is right, Greg is a great resource to go to.

[@ryanreviews8566]

@@trainershatehim it is that simple tho. Ofc you need to tweak that technique to fit your body but that's for everything in life. Just cuz somone says "imma copy the chinese style" doesn't mean they are gonna have EXACTLY LIKE lu's technique. It's gonna turn into a technique made for their body, no matter what. So chill and keep things simple lol

[@trainershatehim]

@@ryanreviews8566 I was as stubborn as you when I started too. You'll learn.

[@Possimpablee]

I think it’s more about the lifters levers than an actual technique that’s taught.

[@400cabal]

Every time they straighten their knees I mentally cross my fingers

[@insolentish4529]

00:59 had a stroke reading that

[@TheTuneAce]

The Chinese lift looks like It won't give me lasting joint damage

[@RecantoSombrio]

Chinese guy delts are out of this world !

[@seanconway1154]

As someone who’s studied Chinese Martial Arts, the Chinese weightlifting technique is based on the idea of limiting injury from over extension. To me it looks the cleaner of the two, meaning you are least likely to injure yourself (particularly your knees and back) using that method.

[@abdullahibrahimhassan7301]

"Studied chinese martial arts" shouldn't be a real thing, you are probably a clown trying to get likes

[@Andreas-cs6wg]

@@abdullahibrahimhassan7301 When you studied in University, he studied the blade.

[@abdullahibrahimhassan7301]

@@Andreas-cs6wg 😂😂 you killed him dude, i was trying to hold back

[@abbyik7357]

@@abdullahibrahimhassan7301 Martial Arts really is an art. Just as you'd study powerlifting (programming, technique, so on) you'd study Martial Arts. If you've never actually educated yourself on any one art then just say that bud

[@seanconway1154]

@@abbyik7357 They’re just Russian trolls. Ignore them. And the martial art I study is Taijiquan, I’ve been doing it for 5 years.

[@riknitzburg9650]

Chinese technique requires more ankle, leg, and hip mobility

[@bane8305]

its better form all around, the russian knees gonna fucking break i swear

[@ReyAllDayDotCom]

I don’t think the lifts had anything to do with being Chinese or Russian, just different styles of the same lift. Good video though. I wonder which style best fits me.

[@bureneraccount5717]

Chinese or Russian is used as an adjective. Nothing wrong with that. It is the best way to differentiate these two styles

[@ReyAllDayDotCom]

@@bureneraccount5717 not every Chinese person uses the first tech, and not all Russians use the second.. but I get ya. Gotta have a label to understand it.

[@bureneraccount5717]

@@ReyAllDayDotCom yea. Idk what the angle is here but usually when people use adjectives, it's to describe the noun or pronoun not to define adjective. It's up to the reader to do that.

[@jere3604]

@@ReyAllDayDotCom Not every chinese or russian person uses the same technique, but for example the "chinese technique" is named that because the professional weightlifters made it popular.

[@ReyAllDayDotCom]

@@jere3604 is that a universally known thing in powerlifting? If so thanks for the info.

[@rajapusapati1]

It’s depends on the lengths of femur and torso

[@whataderk]

Like a strong punch, doesn’t using the hips to thrust cause more power? So in that sense you should be more efficient by using the Chinese method versus the Russian, right? Also because you are using your legs, the strongest muscle in your body to stand the weight up, wouldn’t that make the lift more effective overall? I’m asking and not making a statement. I don’t oly lift.

[@lonle6506]

It's mostly about levers. Chinese weightlifters almost always have very short femurs while the Russians have longer.

[@Zen-t2j]

You're right in saying that, I'm not convinced it's just because of anatomy that's sounds like a copout. People tend to jump and widen their stance when they haven't generated enough power

[@tola1526]

It's a limb length difference. Chinese style works because their athletes have short arms and can make contact at the crease of the hip like in a snatch.

[@simonsilva250]

The algorithm works in mysterious ways...

[@SS-xo5iz]

Big Z : hold my atlas stone.

[@WEI-lu4io]

Chinese form is called '引膝'

[@jordan3851]

How the fuck do I pronounce that

[@WEI-lu4io]

@@jordan3851 Yǐn xī

[@jordan3851]

@@WEI-lu4io lol thanks man, no disrespect I’m just playing around

[@MAKOFBEST]

Great video, very well explained. Thank you.

[@kefkapalazzo1]

Didn’t even know different countries could have different forms lol

[@chutihudelle184]

Ok the real question is why KZbin recommended this video to me

[@mahadrox]

Theyre both good, i cant do either of them😂😂

[@TheJorgeSampaio]

Lu is one of the best weightlifters the sport has ever known, I will stick with his technique, thx xD

[@pizrux6592]

Ok 👍🏻

[@oolaef]

Haha good luck 'sticking to his technique'!

[@justsomeguywithtattoos6267]

You're not him tho

[@aguuug5139]

@@justsomeguywithtattoos6267 this

[@nathanielsablan2474]

You most likely don’t have the same proportions as lu so your lift mechanics will be a bit different

[@iverson2002939]

I have no idea why I end up here

[@fuckoff5893]

Everyone is an expert now

[@justjulian7503]

Chinese focuses on technique and leverage while Russian form focuses on strength and explosiveness.

[@GCurtisJr]

You forgot the American clean...the clean plate 😂

[@stac]

What's the point in jumping there? Wouldn't the jump made the bar weight down on you intensified? Yknow... Gravity?

[@pizrux6592]

You basically pull with your arms while hitting the bar with your hips and the hitting of the hips is basically throwing the bar upwards so it’s easier to get under the bar and people jump to get more “hip bump” or to throw the bar upward more

[@stac]

@@pizrux6592 Ohh thanks for telling.

[@hfis459]

really surprised at the lack of hip extension in the traditional example

[@rockyp3917]

Nice breakdown

[@benjfeldstein9741]

It seems that Russian technique used more Physics (lifting feet to drop as fast as possible and jumping by leaving 0 power in the floor) and Chinese use more Biomechanics

[@PowerYuLiu]

Can you explain more In terms of biomechanics? Why can’t they use both physics AND biomechanics I’m so confused sorry

[@celebezz]

u said all links are under description but I don't see link to wikipedia page about cauliflower there ;/ so not all ;(((

[@manipei]

There could be something to do with the heights as well. Perhaps the technique used by the Chinese benefits shorter lifters?

[@johnear5657]

Oh I thought it was a meme 😂

[@danboofin5094]

This has nothing to do with Chinese vs russia forms its more about leverages, limb lengths, moment arms etc

[@tvnja]

Most if not all Chinese competitors have the Chinese technique and the same goes for the Russians. I don't think this is just about leverages.

[@Nick_las_seafarer]

China biggest steroid manufacturer in the world and russia best drug test cheaters lmao

[@danboofin5094]

@@tvnja all the top level Chinese Olympic competitors also have similar bone structure long torso short femur so when they pull its going to be vastly diffrent from someone with vice versa proportions.

[@tvnja]

@@danboofin5094 it also has to do with the selection process. If they don't match the characteristics required it won't work. The exception could be Li Dayin

[@Florggy]

CPC is proud of you, +20 social credit

[@ThatGuy-zm1xh]

Was that last image at 1:11 a elementary school kid overhead pressing 185 or am I insane

[@pizrux6592]

That’s me and I think it was 205 and I’m 16 😂

[@ThatGuy-zm1xh]

@@pizrux6592 😂😂😂

[@stanksinatra7629]

@@pizrux6592 Goodness gracious, you're a beast! Thanks for the video

[@juansolo9166]

Thanks Darth Vader for the lifting advice

[@Larry-nd7gv]

The Chinese form looks very efficient.

[@justsomeguywithoutamustach8816]

In China you lift weights In mother Russia weights lift you

[@MichealQuinm]

Damn Chinese cleans are smooth imma try to learn how to do that

[@gkguru3156]

Nice video,

[@jordy2299]

You need more power for the russian one, especially with the diving under part. But for the very heaviest weights, I don’t think chinese will do. That’s why chinese lifters dominate lower weight classes.

[@reefgingell7870]

Me when I don’t know what I’m talking about

[@youngKOkid1]

The Russian technique is the reason Russian weightlifters injure their backs.

[@alexlazarescu3869]

Lu definitely doesnt thrust the bar, its a vertical drive

[@linkee5294]

Great vid

[@alejandrogomez3900]

When the 2 smart Kids argue

[@abdelhafidanadir7784]

Bon courage

[@BryceJohnson98]

The Chinese lifters have the shorter femurs to longer torso ratio.

[@Egoblivion]

As a tall guy with proportionally longer legs, I would have to literally spread my legs apart to avoid using too much lower back.

[@sheevpalpatine2989]

The chinese guy be dummy thiccccc

[@user-mj8zf4qq7u]

Simp

[@Terrythetroll.]

Simp

[@AsahiReo]

Hah gaeyyyyyyy

[@sheevpalpatine2989]

I aint denying any of these lolz

[@user-mj8zf4qq7u]

@@sheevpalpatine2989 simp

[@Live-Life-Freely]

Yeah this is all well and good but how do use any of this to lift your mom?

[@chizzzy911]

Different strokes for different folks

[@biglloyd5870]

The Chinese one looks like a work of art and the Russian one looks like you're trying to show you can lift heavy weights

[@danielmahoney6023]

Those two guys also have very different body dimensions

[@redacted4183]

In Russia, bar deadlifts you

[@hollywoodcutz9713]

Outstanding!!!!!!

[@christianwilson5956]

The Chinese one seems safer but requires more upper body strength. Better for lower weight.

[@EGEIS9]

which one is better? or is it preference?

[@straxel9851]

Why though, KZbin, am I here?

[@madster01]

If you look careful enough, Russian one slept for 8 hours, had a fascinating dinner, and read 3 books between the lift

[@whydnot]

Every time I tried this exercise, I did it without the jump. I was so confused as to how people were jumping during the lift, and people kept telling me it was necessary. I think I prefer the “Chinese” method in this video.

[@Andy_Arkadata]

Bear in mind, short legs vs long legs

[@HarshJ_ohn]

Now the question is Is textbook form correct?

[@bradymacey6951]

The Russians use the technique of dropping under the bar sir by taking away the supports of the body which is the feet

[@grzesiek1x]

0:31 legs are not straighten completely ! never!

[@valerazhrkv1555]

Bruh you’re comparing a competition level form vs some home video

[@pizrux6592]

It was (I forgot his name) an Olympic weightlifter training in his gym

[@XXLRebel]

I jump for the snatch and switched to a dip for the clean. I tried dipping in the snatch but it feels so akward to me as I can't get the same explosiveness I get with a jump for the snatch...

[@AyratHungryStudent]

What am I doing here?

[@daosilver]

You must be correct. Soviet is not Russian. And you show the Ukrainian athlete Oleksiy TOROKHTIY

[@momatotsosrorudodi]

I prefer the Chinese form.

[@someoneprice2371]

wait does it depend on individuals ？？？

[@professionalfangster1510]

Nearly everything in life depends on the individuals.

[@tipoftheiceberg7034]

They might as well make it so the olympics is the ONLY place you can take a steroids because they do it any damn way

[@Nick_las_seafarer]

After watching icarus a can say with confidence all top level athletes are on steroids

[@blankblankpog]

As simply if you're Liu dont do the chinese one or squat jerk unless you've mastered the conventional one.

[@qweewq-h7p]

How u can possibly compare Olympics professional with a guy from your local gym?

[@pizrux6592]

The local gym guy was an Olympic weightlifter (I forgot the name)

[@tinymurky7329]

Russian style: Addidas

[@talkingbirb2808]

interesting video, good comments

[@jackgralla]

Could someone give me tips for power cleans? That’s my biggest weakness. I’m too stiff and I try to muscle up the weight. My form is bad.

[@eduardoayala3204]

Have you tried including mobility drills before your lifts? Whatever helps activating the kinetic chain you're about to train. It makes tons of difference. If you feel like you are doing some reps or sets even before you start feeling it in the appropiate area, chances are you need this. Also if you're training nd you feel that just when you think your form is ok, but you're exhausted and not able to differentiate between bad form or tired form.

[@KK-rg3nj]

Wait which one's Chinese and which one's Russian?

[@moemeditshekedi9274]

It may be because white people have longer legs therefore that's advantageous.... but how would you do for even longer legged and arms black men especially for those who tend to have even more lordosis and posterior pelvic tilt? and also to some those of them who want to add this type of power to speed to their specific sport. It's something I have been trying to figure out for a while someone please help me with it .🙏🙏🙏

[@zin.nesis1]

0:49 *BOING*....**1:01** *BOOOIING*

[@gonzalojohn1401]

Why the hell is this on my youtube recommendation i don't even lift weights

[@pizrux6592]

I’m confused to

[@MediHusky]

@@pizrux6592 KZbin is trying to get you shredded man i don't know how else to say it.

[@voose03]

I don’t know what the fuck I’m doing here

[@slimeinabox]

So the Chinese only keep up through skill rather than power? Hmmm...

[@Atman988]

Chinese have short legs, that’s explain everything

[@edwinzuniga1987]

I feel the Chinese way is more difficult. But what the hell do i know 🤣

[@sethlopez8287]

I fucking suck at cleaning does anyone have tips? I’ve got 225 bench, 275 squat, 315 DL. but my clean struggles past 155. Please. I want a decent clean.

[@lars-erikstrid2278]

I don't know. I bench what you squat and squat more than you deadlift but still not much better clean than you. My power clean is 220 though.