Chiropractors are NOT real doctors?!

[@audibleyawnswell6368]

Had a chiropractor tell me when I was 15 “a pediatrician would have just said you have scoliosis” - I literally did have scoliosis

[@AndreLobov]

Lmaoooooo "a pediatrician would have just told you you have scoliosis. I, however, will crack your back for you once a week for the rest of your life"

[@brookewilson4755]

I had one tell me they could “fix” my scoliosis with adjustments every week 😂 I ended up having a spinal fusion and it’s still not fixed lol

[@BingeWorthit]

@@brookewilson4755that makes two of us

[@jmvc140]

Teeechnically... the chiropractor wasn't wrong; a pediatrician would indeed just have said that 🤔

[@VoxMora]

Probably because a pediatrician wouldn’t treat that. That’s a physical therapy/traction regimen.

[@oogiegoogie2826]

It is easier to scam someone than to convince someone they’re being scammed

[@NateKK7]

It definitely helps with some things however does not heal you. I get it when my lower back pain is really bad and it offers a few days of relief (OTC medications don’t even to begin to help), I cant say the same for PT which causes more pain and doesn’t fix my back problem either. That being said Im trying to see a spine specialist so it’s only temporary and I only do it when its really bad.

[@zumeraaa]

As proven by this comment section!

[@slappy8941]

Oh you mean like how "real" doctors do by trying to get you looked on pain pills Rather than test the actual issue?

[@iregretjumping]

​@@slappy8941They just trust real doctors with the stuff that actually works.

[@ColMustard513]

Especially Americans.

[@mijo_gene8827]

People get SOOOOO mad when you criticize chiropractors.

[@sanbilge]

...and it'll be because of a single bs anecdotal reference like their cousin's labrador's step-uncle had back hernia but got better after going to a chiropractor.

[@landrum3893]

We Do NOT!!

[@nothingnothings2264]

Doctors used to tell people smoking was healthy.

[@mollymullin6419]

​@@nothingnothings2264They still say red wine is good for your heart 😂

[@rredding]

They still want you on statines. Quacks!

[@paulathompson7076]

I had a chiropractor tell me, ON A DATE, that if I just got adjusted 3 times a week I wouldn’t have stage 4 Endometriosis and cancer twice. Dumped him in the restaurant.

[@michaelhelms2378]

Cry me a river.

[@kriptonis]

He wanted to check for tightness in the uterus.

[@doctaflo]

@@michaelhelms2378classy.

[@Deaf_Notes]

​@@michaelhelms2378cope

[@crns0944]

@@michaelhelms2378???

[@crazy4beatles]

The sad part is my insurance will reimburse chiropractic care easily but need to get authorization for physical therapy and it means more out of pocket costs for me 😅

[@ErikratKhandnalie]

The US healthcare system is a dark carnival of human rights abuses

[@krismine99]

Yeah, they force you to do physical therapy before scans because it's cheaper even though you don't know what the problem is. And then it turns out that you spend more money on physical therapy than a scan would've cost and aren't any better off than before

[@peaj4812]

Yep I've experienced this too.

[@DerMeisterEdits]

Cause one costs $40 and one costs $40,000.

[@w花b]

Because that will give you a reason to keep paying them. It's a whole ecosystem.

[@joshhitxoriginal9367]

Those studies also mention that the few chiropractic practices that have noticeable positive benefits are not only closer to physical therapy; but are also almost always done in tandem with exercises and stretches that are similar to the musculoskeletal exercises that a physical therapist would likely have you do had you gone to them in the first place.

[@1495978707]

Any good chiropractor will tell you that you need to do your homework. The ones that just want to milk you will tell you that you should come in more and more frequently

[@Daiwie44]

It's still important to be mindful of the good chiropractors out there. It's nice to know it's pseudoscience, but that doesn't mean all chiropractors are bad.

[@UndergroundHound]

​@@Daiwie44But why support it at all when PT can do it better and is based on actual acience?

[@-uglyhag-5000]

Yeha but why not just go to a PT in the first place?

[@TheDodeAbides]

​@@Daiwie44 Go to an Osteopath they are licensed medical doctors who study and know how to give adjustments.

[@bulletproofair]

I had very specific neck pain in which I went to a chiropractor for. I had no clue what I was getting into. He made my pain 10x worse. I made it my final visit when he twisted my neck so harshly that I literally screamed out in pain. Not a small whimper. A straight emo loudass painful scream like I suddenly became Bert McCracken. My bills (which had accumulated to over $800) somehow disappeared and his office was shut down about 2 months later. It turns out, all I needed was just like a month of muscle relaxers and no hard stress on my neck. I hope people don't make the same mistake I did, which is why I tell my story.

[@nerissarowan8119]

That sounds terrible - I’m glad he was shut down.

[@HomeFromFarAway]

yeeep!!

[@wearblackclothes]

I "walked" into a chiropractors office and he got 1 look at me. Helped me stand up and then said i needed an immediate mri and gave me a referral to a neurologist. So some aren't out there to scam people.

[@john_molden]

I visit a chiropractor once every month and I can tell you that my chiropractor is really good. He helped me with a major back issue when i was starting, and now I feel so much better as a result. Then again, I don't live in America.

[@WhiskeyDJones]

I had a bad back for 4 years due to manual labour and spent 4 years going to a chiropractor. I don't know why it took me so long to realise it actually wasn't working. They do well to say the right things and make it seem like what they are doing is necessary and you need to stick with it. Anyway, I left and went to an osteopath, and within 4 months, my back was healed.

[@jvjjjvvv9157]

It is very possible that most chiropractors earnestly believe in what they do, even, but that's not the point. No one is saying that this is always an intentional scam where practicioners want to rob you of your money. What is being said it's that chiropractics is an unsubstantiated pseudoscience and you'd better spend your time and money consulting with real doctors.

[@anonymous-m7k]

Why the walk in quotes? Hope you're better now.

[@WhiskeyDJones]

@@anonymous-m7k because I'm guessing they hobbled in

[@johnknapp952]

I learned that when I was in Navy Boot Camp. The military has Physical Therapists but no Chiropractors as it wasn't a recognized medical procedure.

[@JuniorJuni070]

would be relieving tho to crack some bones but i know it’s not healthy

[@anastasia0385]

It is now 😂

[@JuniorJuni070]

@@anastasia0385 wow 👀 wat u mean by that bunny ?

[@yelanchiba8818]

I have insurance and chiro therapy is covered but I prefer not to utilize it

[@BigBlakMan-hr9mb]

Not true, the army and the VA have chiropractors

[@niineisra]

I'm a radiorapher. 2 of my young patients (siblings) who have moderate-severe scoliosis went to this popular chiro in my area for 4 times a week for 1 year, with a promise that their spine will be "fixed". They came back for xray after 6months - no change with the curvature. I advised them to better see an orthopedic, they did not. Came back again after 1 year ff up - still, no change.

[@skywatcher458]

they really just go to a bone masseuse and hope it would cure them

[@crabmannyjoe2]

⁠@@skywatcher458 “bone masseuse" is wild 😂

[@ohaimochi]

Shocking. Lmao

[@MachuPicchu95]

Your first mistake is assuming scoliosis is curable

[@sheridanvance7426]

❤

[@DanielleBaum]

the ones that perform it on babies and animals really scare me and should be investigated

[@1495978707]

I mean, the ones I've seen have relieved animals of chronic pain so...

[@TheTigger360]

The chiropractor saved my dogs life. I’ll take my chances. They are also the ones that discovered my neck was broken where my GP ignored me and let me be paralyzed on one side for weeks.

[@badxradxandy]

I had one for my baby and he gave a massage, it was really helpful actually. They didn't do anything crazy.

[@RaccoonRecluse]

@@badxradxandy Except that's not normal.... there are entire videos of people full stop flinging babies around and putting full adult weight on spots to crack the new cartilage that DOESN"T NEED THAT. Taking your baby to get a masage is stupid. Taking your baby to a chiropractor is straight up child abuse.

[@gorrium5027]

​@@badxradxandyThey could have easily killed your baby.

[@lesliehunter1823]

What killed it for me was being required to sign a waiver absolving the chiropracter of responsibility in case I died as a result of the treatment.

[@Briteguy]

L take. You sign that waiver for any medical treatment lmfao. + NFL teams have team chiropractors, you think the NFL would allow risk to multi million dollar bodies???🤣

[@ja9145]

​@Briteguy you really thought you did something here lol. No you don't. Have you ever heard of malpractice insurance? How does that exist if everyone signs a waiver for any medical treatment? And btw, chiros aren't medical.

[@Briteguy]

@@ja9145 are you 13? malpractice is different than liability. But okay man, i guess professional athletes have no idea what they’re doing with their bodies and you do👌🏽

[@ja9145]

@@Briteguy well I didn't say that, but I will absolutely say now that professional athletes have no idea what they're doing with their bodies, yea. I dont know where you got that I was saying I know any better than them. You said you have to sign a waiver for any medical treatment and that isn't true. I guess you're the one that knows better than everybody huh?

[@dillbroSwaggins]

​@@Briteguy Capital L take. Real doctors are doing open heart surgery. Chiropractors kill people by popping their neck

[@imSUPERcereal0]

Every time I tell anyone this they argue with me and tell me I am stupid.

[@jordanweaver9759]

You are

[@BigOwl51]

@@jordanweaver9759lol you’re a gullible gary

[@briganja]

Sounds like you’re surrounded by idiots…

[@brendanmaclean3013]

@@jordanweaver9759did ghosts tell you to say that?

[@matthewhamilton3496]

It's because getting your back cracked feels good and nobody wants to hear that it has no real benefit.

[@johndaltrocanto]

That “yeeeeah” feels like it’s not the first time she has had this conversation

[@saschamayer4050]

Yeah. 😏😅

[@nosidamXlynax]

yeeeeeah lol. ^_-

[@adamcorfman573]

Just had that discussion with a friend. He was so surprised to learn that they're not doctors or "equivalent to" physical therapists.

[@Saphels]

The cracking sound. The cracking sound is what makes it 15 billion $ industry.

[@TheOnlyToblin]

Which is wild. That alone would make me run away screaming. Actually, it does!

[@Yoni123]

And all it is is the same as when you crack your knuckles. It fixes nothing

[@adi96adi]

100%. Funnily though if I do crack my knuckles and my dad hears it he'll tell me it's bad for my fingers. Like which is it, big guy, good or bad? 😂

[@Yoni123]

@@adi96adi neither. Its just noise

[@adi96adi]

@@Yoni123 lol yes this isn't lost on me. I'm pointing out the contradiction they believe.

[@grkuntzmd]

When I was practicing medicine (I am an internist - MD), I heard about chiropractors telling patients that they could treat diabetes with back adjustments. That is why I NEVER referred my patients to them.

[@Really250]

Hey I had doctors tell entire countries that the covid shots would stop spread of covid. There are quacks in every field of study. Congratulations you found one of the quack in that field of study.

[@nerissarowan8119]

That’s completely deluded.

[@drdanatompkins5327]

Way to not judge chiros over one idiot you give drugs why send any where my dad did internal 33 years your not proud your confused and your patients deep down don’t listen I watched my old man realize ur a shill for big pharma your a bird squawking sad probably divorced cuz the ole lady knows ur drugs are bs And ur weak

[@maddieb.4282]

One of my friends was “adjusted” by a chiro and immediately felt severe pain, turns out that while cracking her back he tore cartilage in her chest by her sternum and she had to be on almost 100% rest for weeks

[@aaronwesley286]

sure Jan

[@nhd6128]

😂😂 ok, Maddie.

[@AndreLobov]

​@@aaronwesley286 there have been cases where chiropractors cracked someone's neck, severed an artery, and the person died several days later. Relatively healthy people in their 30s with no medical issues that could explain it. We don't know how often this happens, because chiropractic organizations try to cover it up or deny it. Google "chiropractic deaths" and there are some research papers on the topic.

[@Peanutbutter_58]

​@aaronwesley286 is it that hard to believe ? These fuckers can cause death in serious cases

[@maximus3294]

I hope the two above me wake up soon

[@Thatpersonwhodoesstuff]

I wish I knew this earlier, I went the chiropractor for a long time and they took X-rays and everything, they failed to mention I had scoliosis and that chiropractics wouldn’t help that.

[@ross-carlson]

And that's who's fault again? Maybe YOURS?

[@divyasasidharan2960]

Wow they can't even read x rays but took it 😅😅😅😊

[@AaronSmith-sx4ez]

And "real doctors" don't miss anything? They do so all the time.

[@Martykun36]

​@@AaronSmith-sx4ez not literally all the time, compare that to chiropractors who will miss stuff literally all the time

[@kathyjones1078]

Real doctors absolutely do miss things all the time. Chiropractic absolutely can help scoliosis. They can’t cure it. And some of them are better than others.

[@Altraice]

I only go to chiropractors that partner with physical therapists. Before college I knew a guy that had the exact philosophy she talked about with the popping giving temporary relief. He would pop and crack to help with mobility and then you would immediately go to the physical therapist side. His exact words to me were “I help you turn your neck now so he can help you turn your neck forever.”

[@rumblefish9]

Just go to a Physical Therapist. Chiropractors are redundant and they undo whatever progress your PTs have done. Ypu're wasting your time and money. Just stick with a PT or someone specializing in rehab medicine.

[@doml8520]

Or just find a chiropractor that has an MD. They aren't all that common but there are at least a couple in all the bigger cities.

[@hellowilson5335]

@@rumblefish9if you’re in such pain you can’t do the exercises then just going to pt isn’t going to help much. Along with pt you should be getting massages then chiropractic then pt. You’ll get faster and better results then just suffering through pain hoping you have the strength to actually get through your routine.

[@sophiezieba9705]

Chiropractor made me to walk again , fixed my skeletal system and relieved bone arthritis . I’m pain free thanks to my chiropractor. And I call him a doctor, because he deserves it.

[@rollihd714]

@@sophiezieba9705hahahaha, i di not believe u on bit

[@Jc3intelligent]

I had a chiro check out my spine and gave me tips and exercises to correct my posture. Stuff worked wonders. The cracking felt good and I was on my way. Dude was more focused on the overall health and wellness of my spine than any other doc I had been to. He helped me realize that sometimes a muscle being tight isn't just because it's tight; it's that a muscle is compensating for something. They're certainly not all bad.

[@LafemmebearMusic]

Just a duded giving you non trained physical therapy tips. Pay for it it’s your money but he was not trained or licensed in any way.

[@basskitten808.]

​@@LafemmebearMusichey, if that chiropractor was the first person to actually give OP some relief when traditional doctors couldn't.. I don't see what your problem is. All of your comments make you sound like a bootlicker who thinks they know other people's bodies better than they do. WAAAA 😫 BuT mUH liCEnSe 🥴 Just be happy for those who managed to find some relief instead of being bitter.

[@Livewellaly]

@@LafemmebearMusic You do know Chiropractors take an entire PT's education in their 4 years of post college education... and PT's lobbied to be able to adjust bones like Chiropractors.

[@its_coookie]

⁠​⁠@@LivewellalyThere‘s a reason they are not licensed and have no rights compared to M.D‘s, D.O‘s and D.P.T‘s. They only do the 4 years to get a “Dr.” in front of their names.

[@Livewellaly]

​@@its_coookie LOL girl or guy... the 4 years they do just to get a Dr. in front of their name is AFTER 4 years of undergrad. After... that 8 years in total post High School... Much like Dentist and DPTs. But why do you think they aren't licensed? That's a bit crazy. They directly bill your major medical health insurance... you think health insurance is allowing them to do that without a state license?? Just don't like chiropractors.... it's ok but don't spread dumb misinformation.

[@HannahCobana]

My dad messed up his back in the military, it would be so bad some days he could barely move and even breathing hurt but doctors never actually found anything wrong and never actually helped him but our neighbor was a chiropractor. My dad saw him for the first time and felt like he got his life back. It's a temporary relief but sometimes that's necessary and it's the *only* relief someone will get. Obviously this scientist has a very valid point but, not every condition or ailment can be rectified and sometimes that temporary relief is a quality of life necessity.

[@jensen6929]

But did he go and see physical therapist though 🤔

[@HannahCobana]

@@jensen6929 Yes, many times. He tried basically anything that he could

[@Shane8040]

Go get a Ring Dinger!

[@suchfrecks3110]

Different countries have different standards also, my chiropractor is a doctor- and a muscular skeletal degeneration disorder specialist. Sometimes the KZbin scientist sees the world through a very narrow, very North American lens

[@amandamaree]

There are very rare chiropractors that stay in the lane of physical therapist (she said that in the video). What they do is similar to a physical therapist but with more skeletal manipulation and typically more of a focus on temporary relief whereas a good physical therapist requires the patient to do specific exercises to strengthen the muscles to support the skeleton and joints. This takes months to get results but is much more permanent.

[@deb5392]

After having my first baby, I had really bad pain, tingling, and numbness down my left leg. That was the first time I went to a chiropractor. He said I had a pinched nerve in my lower back, did one adjustment, and it was gone. I know this example falls into her example of "a little bit of evidence," but it wasn't temporary relief. I never had that problem again, and it was amazing.

[@DerekOfRivia]

There are a lot of us with similar experiences. It's weird how many people get off on hating chiropractors.

[@missstrawberry288]

I kept getting numbness in my hands, and after a few neck adjustments it was totally gone. People just hate on anything that's not pills or surgery.

[@korcidiamond3623]

To the guy who said: "weird people hate chiropractors" Yeah, they lie to their patients and perform insanly risky treatments which can cause brutal injuries. Just look at the people who got their neck adjusted and were tetraplegic after that.

[@pipp972]

It doesn't even fall into her example of a little bit of evidence, as anecdotes are not evidence.

[@ShapeshiftedCow]

⁠@@DerekOfRivia because there’s no way of knowing if any given chiro is going to give you well-informed physical therapy based on proven principles and techniques, or if they’re just going to push and yank on delicate parts of your body based on a theoretical framework that incorporates unfalsifiable mystical and occult concepts into its core.

[@lacyaych2357]

There is a chiropractor in a small town nearby and he keeps telling people he can feel their childhood trauma in their muscles. I'm the local therapist and this upsets me to no end. Example: he's palpating the shoulder and gets an inquisitive look before saying "hmm? Did you happen to have some pretty unfortunate experiences at a young age? Potentially traumatic experiences? Cause it's right here." Then the person bawls their eyes out thinking the chiropractor uncovered something. Before you ask, it's not driving business my way because it's too jarring and they think it can be solved by the chiropractor.

[@elmtree33]

If you're really a therapist, then you know unresolved trauma gets stored in the body/muscles. I am currently doing somatic therapy with a licensed counselor (after many years of CBT) plus I go to an excellent chiropractor with whom I've had these sort of discussions. He's been in practice for about 40 years with a specialty in neurology and more. Maybe you shouldn't be so judgey, hmm?

[@MrSpruce]

@@elmtree33 🙄

[@randomwanderer5374]

@@elmtree33what a joke lmao 💀

[@romulusnr]

Kreskin would be proud

[@news26boom]

You should start giving your patients shoulder massages to get back at his business.

[@Crazy_Cranberry]

I went to a chiropractor and they removed my sciatica pain in my right hip. Also helped me breathe better. Every time I walked out it felt like I was getting much more oxygen. If I could afford to keep going, I would. Yes it isn’t a real doctor, but it isn’t (always) a scam

[@realtorforlouisiana]

A lot of them are. It's easier to get certified as a DC than an MD so frauds hide under the DC label too often

[@User73698]

"The chiropractor taught me exercises so that I don't have to go to him"- my Dad. It's really a temporary relief.

[@swilliams21231]

Most good/honest chiropractors are upfront about that. Cracking joints is just to temporarily relieve pain and encourage mobility so that you can strengthen and actually fix the issue.

[@tiagodagostini]

Butt he temporary relief is sometimes what you need so you can face the movements that you need to correct it on the long run

[@CalliKira]

Stretch more people! For real, it can save your life if you fall or stumble. Being flexible means you'll be able to handle the stress of odd movements and maybe even catch yourself as you fall.

[@User73698]

@@CalliKira you are right. I need to start doing this.

[@commiecomrade2644]

The funny thing is you're talking about the best way to tell if they are a quack. If they give you exercises instead of just doing "adjustments" every week then that can be legit treatment. Its partially how physical therapy works. The scammers want you coming once a week to get your adjustment they have no real interest in helping you.

[@MissGamerVideo]

I had really bad widespread chronic pain for a couple years, I would just stay in bed because I was so tired with everything hurting. The NHS put me on antidepressants. I went to a chiropractor and he provided so much relief in my neck, legs and back. He confirmed i had scoliosis and suggested exercises I could do to strengthen my muscles and correct my posture. It was super expensive; £45 for maybe 15 minutes. But, it did provide me more knowledge and temporary relief than any other doctor Ive been to, and he was really kind and funny. He said the goal for him is to get me to not go back to him, and that's what happened. I haven't been to him in a year or so, and my chronic pain is so much more manageable.

[@Guerita72]

Glad you're better. As an American I'm curious why you had to pay.

[@spook6394]

@@Guerita72​​⁠​⁠we outside of america still have to pay fees for some healthcare, we just pay a lot less than Americans. Depending on the care we may not have to pay anything at all. But in this case, NHS doesn’t cover chiropractors (unless maybe your GP refers you and makes sure it’s covered) so you have to pay the full fee.

[@Guerita72]

@@spook6394 Oh I see. The chiropractor was elective for the OP. Thank you for your reply.

[@possomt6211]

Pretty much same experience. Doctors just tell me sorry and to cope with the pain.

[@ShouPow]

May I ask why you weren't able to see physio, get MRIs, and see real doctors and providers as covered by the NHS? Like what compelled you to pay out of pocket for a chiro? This is secondary but doesn't the UK screen for scoliosis among all school children as well, as that is accepted gold standard practice by the WHO?

[@firehawk2324]

One of my friends had a stroke at 25 because of a chiropractic adjustment. They can do serious damage.

[@pyroptosis]

Man there’s more serious damages done by some real doctors also

[@DTOStudios]

​@@pyroptosis Yeah but the doctors get medical training and are generally reliable. Chiropractors are just scammers with a veneer of legitimacy

[@firehawk2324]

@@pyroptosis yes and this isn't about THEM, this is about chiropractic.

[@AdamMPick]

@@pyroptosis That is like saying cars kill a lot of people, so don't dismiss guns, because guns are just like cars.

[@aw2584]

​@@pyroptosisyeah 99.99% of doctors help you and 00.01% of doctors might accidentally hurt you, chiropractors are LITERALLY just scam artists. The best way I can explain this is cracking your fingers. Some people do it often, some claim it can damage your joints, some people take pleasure in it, but do you think that cracking your fingers can help with any medical issue you might have in your hands like arthritis? Obviously not. But that's LITERALLY WHAT CHIROPRACTIC """DOCTORS"""" DO, like 100% thats it. It does nothing but potential damage, with potential momentary relief the same way you feel at ease when you stretch your back and hear that cracking; difference is you are ACTUALLY STRETCHING WHILST DOING IT (actual useful thing), and you don't expect the cracking to fix your baxk issues, don't you?

[@tourproven]

How many quacks have broken or injured people's necks by popping them? I would NEVER go to a chiropractor.

[@samterry1062]

To each their own but how many people have regular doctors killed?

[@tourproven]

True that! I don't trust them either.

[@StoneDeceiver]

@@samterry1062 lol, likely zero. the overwhelming majority of doctors go their entire careers spanning 100s and 1000s of patients with none of their patients dying deaths' being their fault. to be generous, say out of every 40 year career the average doctor sees 10,000 patients and one patient loses his life because of malpractice it would be .01% and the doctor would immediately lose his license and perhaps face jail time. that would mean the remaining 99.99% of patience were cured/helped. how do you compare that to the quack chiropractor who has a .01% success rate and when the chiropractor does cause any negative outcome, it is at fault of the patient because chiropractic requires you to sign a liability waiver that you cannot blame the chiropractor for anything whatsoever.. so yea, your gotcha is idiotic thoughtless nonsense

[@drdanatompkins5327]

Great comment were u top of the ged class ? Shut up read more turn off video jetrol

[@ThreeRoundBurstMusic]

The best part about chiropractics is that they often create a cycle of "fixing" the problem to get you to come back next week when it's worse than last time.

[@Vannabee13]

Compared to doctors that just prescribe pain medication that you have to continuously renew?

[@Danichoit]

Not all chiros are deceptive . The medical system is WAY worse

[@ThreeRoundBurstMusic]

@@Danichoit Just because the medical system in the United States is poor and barely functions to address issues doesn't mean that chiropractic is any better lol

[@illusion5739]

​@@ThreeRoundBurstMusicSome are legit and also have medical background like Dr. Rahim Gonstead for example. He analyze the patient condition with X-Ray and observing their spine and muscoskeletal movement and explain properly what cause their issues and pain. Of course chiropractic uses is limited. The one claiming they can fix anything is a scam. Check out his channel and think for yourself instead of blindly accepting. Some legit doctors even give bad advice so who knows if the doctor in the vid actually knows or do any research

[@blahblahblahblah729]

​@@Danichoit In the US sure, in places where the goverment is responsible for medicine and healthcare, they actually want you to get better because it costs the goverment less money.

[@rafenim]

This is the best short summary of everything you need to know about chiropractors I've ever come across.

[@ThanhNguyen-ds1kl]

Unfortunately it's an inaccurate and incomplete picture of what chiropractic actually is.

[@asiamies9153]

@@ThanhNguyen-ds1kl It covers the main idea well

[@ThanhNguyen-ds1kl]

@@asiamies9153 It doesn't even come close to covering "the main idea" (whatever that is) well.

[@Knight766]

@@ThanhNguyen-ds1kl Subluxations are not a thing. It's pseudoscience.

[@ThanhNguyen-ds1kl]

@@Knight766 Based on what evidence?

[@chesh3712]

I go to a chiropractor, it does help relieve pain and discomfort. But you have to do life changes to fix the problem. Got a better office chair, set your desk to the right height and rase your monitor to eye level. Chiropractors can get you back in the game but you dont need them if youre taking preventive care to stay healthy. Excercise, stretch and dont sit improperly.

[@alicetoni1277]

My mother is a chiropractor and honestly she does NOT put up with any pseudoscience in her practice. She uses physical therapy techniques for persisting issues and always tells her patients if what she is doing will offer temporary relief or a full on solution. She studied anatomy and physiology so well that she will always know the root cause of your issue and whether it can be fixed by her or not! Edit: she went to Chiropractic school and practices in Canada, not the US. She has never claimed to be a doctor, and she uses actual medical science to treat/advise her patients, and refers them to a doctor when it is not within her scope of practice. Please be kind in the comments :)

[@bobbyologun1517]

what specifically is chiro good for? what has it been clinically proven to help more than placebo

[@boofriedmann2980]

Chiropractors provide no solutions at all.

[@camillegodwin6398]

Respect

[@bobbyologun1517]

@@boofriedmann2980 fr whenever i ask its deafening silence.

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

They go to literal med school n take premed classes with allopathic med students lol

[@padnob]

I once asked an old school buddy who became a physiotherapist if chiropracty was a scam. He told me 'Listen, if you go to a chiropractor once and they fix your problem then that's great. But if you have to keep going back to them regularly for treatment they are f'ing you up.'

[@latsnojokelee6434]

That’s not really true. If a chiropractor should be able to fix you up after one visit, then so should a medical doctor. And we know that’s not true either.

[@Monicajc]

@@latsnojokelee6434that’s also not the same analogy

[@johnmcgraw3568]

So you go back to a "real Dr." more than once? Ah, that's right Drs and lawyers have a "practice".

[@padnob]

@@johnmcgraw3568 Yeah if doctor has to keep treating the same problem that otherwise has a permanent fix you are probably visiting a chrio or a crystal healer or reiki practitioner and not an actual doctor kek.

[@johnmcgraw3568]

@@padnob you must have had better luck with "real" doctors than most

[@brendanh8193]

In Australia, the key chiropractic degree does the first two years with the physiotherapists and osteotherapists. Maybe its different here.

[@annaw27]

yup you have to take that into consideration

[@forgotenhatred]

It's not, same here. This shirt also only gives half the story look into that guys son who is the one responsible for it catching on

[@alixshalagan]

Yeah, in Canada DC program instructors are MD, PhD, ND etc too and the core content is the same. DCs take way more hours of anatomy and radiology than family physicians do but way less pharmacology/drugs/medicine.

[@thekidfromcanada]

It is different. In Canada, medical doctors and chiropractic doctors both take 5 years medical school, the first 4 are identical, MDs study medication and medical procedures, and Chiropractors study bone and muscle manipulation. In some States, you can challenge the "chiropractic" test right out of high school.

[@slalomfive4975]

The chiro I know did 4 to 6 years of study here in the states before going accreditation.

[@Reemoune]

Cracking my lowerback allows a wider range of movements when I exercise. It doesn’t cure my knocked knees but it helps me manage ligament strain.

[@WAFishQuest]

Worked for me 🤷‍♂️... My neck was 40 mm off center, and after six months of adjustments is almost perfectly straight. I'm over an inch taller and do not suffer neck pain thanks to chiropractic care.

[@BearCache]

Chiropractor tried to convince my mom to get “adjustments” to cure her cancer…. 😂

[@eesev2017]

medical malpractice

[@TefiTheWaterGipsy]

That's awful, cruel and must be illegal, as the above commenter said, medical malpractice.

[@CharlieNoodles]

I’ve heard of one chiropractor who does adjustments on infants. Absolutely insane

[@brunohebert1351]

You need to expose this person. IMO.

[@cisummusic22]

@@eesev2017it’s not medical, no M.D. is a chiropractor

[@yourreward]

I suspect the reason it's so prevalent is that chiropractic care is more accessible.

[@sakkikoyumikishi]

That's like saying "most people eat dog turds because they're more accessible than steak". It might technically be more accessible, but if the best case scenario is that it does nothing at all and the *average* scenario is that it will harm you (either actively by tearing cartilage, popping joints or *breaking your neck* or passively by making you wait longer before you treat the actual underlying issue of scoliosis, cancer or whatever it might be), then that is still not a good explanation for why it's popular. Walking in front of a truck and getting turned into street soup is a lot more accessible than finding a crossing somewhere and waiting for a green light. It's still not very popular though, because it is also INCREDIBLY DUMB. So the real explanation for why chirotherapy is that popular has to be "because people are dumb enough to believe that it's helpful"

[@lazchurchyard1229]

​@@sakkikoyumikishi What they mean is insurance will let you go to a Chiro no problem, but will make you jump through hoops to get actual PT.

[@devilmonkey]

​@@sakkikoyumikishiyou are absolutely insane, and if there wasn't enough videos on youtube of people not being able to walk or in extreme pain, going to the chiropractor fixed them. Where as a doctor would put rodes in their back or put them on pain meds. Is chiropractor the answer to everything, no, but it's an effective treatment

[@sakkikoyumikishi]

@@devilmonkey sure, kid, sure. The person who understands the difference between correlation and causation is "absolutely insane", lol You okay, honey? Maybe ease up on the drųgs some time

[@JM-pk2nv]

@@devilmonkey No. It's not an effective treatment. They're quacks. They break significantly more spines than they "fix".

[@keiton9512]

As someone with joint issues, the chiro's temporary relief mixed with physical therapy was the only way to relieve permanent pain.

[@TheBulge]

For a very short period of time for quite a bit of money yes.

[@smalltownescape]

A lot of PTs will also do manual manipulation, mine did!

[@miquelmoorrees6010]

Just use drugs like normal people, I've heard heroin helps with a lot of different pains

[@karinagutierrez7134]

Exactly, it’s a wonderful add-on, not a replacement!!

[@jasonbolding3481]

this seems fallacious. Physical therapy does show benefits for long term pain so adding an additional element isn't showing any effect for the additional element

[@BRADSPIG]

Went to a chiropractor with severe back pain and was bent over and couldn't stand up. Fixed it in just a few visits. No doctor was able to help

[@slickshewz]

I'll take "things that didn't happen" for 100, Alex.

[@AM.000]

​@@slickshewz chiropractors fixed my scoliosis! Lolol in all seriousness I have xray evidence. I was acquired, not born with it... physio would have also worked... but doctors don't do anything but give pain meds. Chiro is more for acute pain relief without pain medication for spinal issues. Physio is for returning functional movement and strengthen weakness.

[@Jerry-cg9ni]

Anecdotal evidence almost never matches empirical

[@thelocust619]

Matches my experience

[@Really250]

​@@slickshewzwell you are most likely incorrect.

[@fixpacifica]

I had a chiropractor that was pretty good. First time I left his office, I was amazed how much easier it was to walk. It felt like my hips had been oiled. He also scraped away a bunch of scar tissue that had been causing me back problems, and that helped a lot. I wouldn't expect him to treat me for cancer, though.

[@katnicole7274]

I had a chiropractor growing up. My chiropractor was probably one of the few good ones because he really did help me give temporary relief. Sure, it’s temporary but for somebody who has had back pains and mobility issues all my life, it is a literal night and day difference between me the day before an asjustment and the day after. I can run faster and with less effort, I’m not as tense, and my body doesn’t ache constantly. I can feel when my body is asking for another appointment. That being said, don’t trust most chiropractors and idk what I’m gonna do when he retires or if I ever move

[@existentialedamame]

same. i have a short leg and the resulting back issues give me grief, and the chiropractor is the only thing standing between me and agony. but i know enough to know i don’t trust most of the ones i’ve met and mine has never bs’d me. and i also have tried other avenues, physiotherapy has helped with other things but not that.

[@charliebearhugs]

My parents were into this and I have been taken since age 10, now I have a back fusion

[@DerekOfRivia]

Doing it without reason is not good. You wouldn't get laser eye surgery if you have perfect vision. You wouldn't wear a cast with a normal leg.

[@BickyToya]

I went to my doctor TWICE over 1 issue and she kept throwing random "diagnosis" at me. Finally went to the chiropractor and he knew what was wrong and fixed it. Love me a good adjustment!

[@soia421]

Thats probably hard to hear for a lot of people who are currently getting their bank accounts drained

[@slappy8941]

If you've never been to a chiropractor, how would you possibly believe you know what you're talking about?

[@soia421]

@@slappy8941 Im not suicidal

[@SlimyMcTee]

​@@slappy8941 I never been to the moon, but I certainly know that we can't breathe there without spacesuit and the moon dust is not only toxic but also abrasive. What's your point then?

[@paintspot1509]

@slappy8941 it's called science and evidence. You don't need to get scammed to know about scams.

[@asdasdae]

@@slappy8941we seriously gonna sit here and pretend we know more about this than the lady with the MD? Is your dumbass going to sit here and do that? Really? That’s how you want to spend your day? Huffing the copium?

[@dawnnelson7876]

I've seen one before that was a definite quack but I also know that there are people out there changing lives for the better. My chiropractor helped me get my life back. He does it with physical therapy. I no longer limp and I have full use of my right arm again. Not only can I walk well again but I can run! I never thought I'd love running. My pain is no longer chronic and my quality of life changed so much! 🎉

[@jeremyvettech5562]

You got lucky

[@evilsharkey8954]

Those ones are hard to find. Basically, you either get lucky or find them through word of mouth.

[@SeiyaSoiya-un4jj]

If you went to an MD, they would have just put you on Oxy or some other opiate and you’d likely be dead.

[@joshroberts243]

I understand how they convince idiots to pay, but I am impressed how they got the insurance companies to pay

[@LauraPeregrine]

Very effective lobbying

[@MB-vi8zp]

Right even Medicaid pays for chiros. When I learned that I was like... Why tf can't they cover massage then? That'd be way more valuable.

[@masoodrehman118]

Fun fact. The ACA lobbied against having PTs and Massage Therapists covered under insurance and medical coverage cuz more people would be likely to use a chiropractor if they're the only ones covered by insurance. I don't think it worked though, at least I hope it didn't. @@MB-vi8zp

[@phoenixliv]

Ive been saying this! Why are quack chiros covered but a massage isn’t‽

[@hugomendoza5665]

@@MB-vi8zp I actually had massages covered by insurance after a car accident. The chiro I was seeing was able to convince them it was necessary for recovery.

[@MariaFernandez-fj1iv]

I can say, that my chiropractor did not "cure" my scoliosis... but with constant visits my deviation was less severe

[@jaysanchez4407]

I knew this, but my brother's chiropractor was also a nutritionist and helped him relieve and get almost entirely rid of his constant acid reflux and heartburn. He is really happy

[@HannahCobana]

I went to a chiropractor who did something similar as well, I was seeing him as I got diagnosed with some rare disorders and he requested my blood panels. Next visit he was giving advice on what I could do to try and prevent pain and flare ups as much as I could, what supplements would help, what foods to avoid, exercises, everything. He was constantly researching and trying to help my quality of life. Some of them truly care and just want to help.

[@checkmate2408]

Sounds like a food sensitivity test scam (IgG) and expensive useless supplements

[@_LuxStein]

Why would anyone go to a chiropractor for acid reflux?

[@checkmate2408]

Exactly. People are intolerant to certain foods. But IgG markers only indicate what food you ate previously. Ever wonder why there is no "normal/acceptable" level referenced on an IgG test? 😮 Chiro/naturopath/youtube educated doctors literally eliminate everything on the IgG. Then you say - wow, it worked, I'm cured! Reality is you could track and eliminate the one or two foods causing you issues vs disrupting your entire diet of foods that don't bother you at all. People who think chiropractors "care" - hey, if you're grossly overpaying for unproven witch doctor advice, I'll pretend to care as well. Or you could just track your diet for a few weeks, eliminate the foods causing discomfort, and stop eating within 2 hours of bedtime. 😅😅😅

[@dstigers6140]

That's ironic. So, a dietitian has to be licensed. Calling yourself a nutritionist is like becoming a personal trainer: anyone can say they are, and no one can be disqualified.

[@thatanonymouschic]

I have went to a chiropractor before. He adjusted me and I was in excruciating pain afterwards. Never again.

[@chrisdavidson911]

what were you like before you went? It's not like you go by accident

[@devilmonkey]

Yeah, doctors would put metal rodes in your back instead, go that route everyone

[@Argh0pirata]

@@devilmonkeyif it fixes it

[@user-mv5zt8qd9l]

​@@devilmonkey That's a strawman.

[@damazpajakami884]

​@@chrisdavidson911yeah im gonna take a chance and guess that they weren't in excruciating pain before they went there

[@tennesseewebb2651]

I decided once that I would try going to a chiropractor. He started the consult by telling me how he could cure diabetes and high blood pressure and some autoimmune disorders through chiropractic adjustments and I was like “ Ok I’ve heard enough. Where’s the exit?”

[@CorbiniteVids]

Jfc that is shameless

[@DerekOfRivia]

Those are the bad ones. That's the issue when the medical industry shuns chiropractors. You get guys like that who will go so far off the reservation. Find a chiropractor who is willing to say no

[@nerissarowan8119]

That was the correct response. (And I’ve had a good one.)

[@mahalleinir_WoT]

All i know is that when i was 14 and had extreme insomnina and constipation, the chiropractor fixed those issues. When i broke my foot and pulled my back out slipping on ice after I got my cast off, i couldnt run. My chiropractor made it so i could run again after a few months of regular visits. I started getting migraines a couple years ago, and my neck being out was making them worse, my neurologist suggested I use chiropractics and it worked. It doesn't fix everything, but it has helped with many very serious issues that traditional doctors use medication and surgery for.

[@LH-xh9dt]

Congrats on discovering the placebo effect. Since doctors have no medical training, just be careful they don’t cause a stroke or break your neck, as has been known to happen.

[@nerissarowan8119]

@@LH-xh9dtjust because it’s not mainstream treatment doesn’t mean it’s placebo. There is so much that science doesn’t understand about the human body; how can you, a single individual, claim to know everything?

[@cocoellawella9315]

I’ve only ever gone to a physiotherapist ands have never needed to go to a chiropractor. I was told growing up that they could accidentally kill you by snapping your neck the wrong way.

[@GazB85]

They literally can. Neck/head adjustments where they make them click are sadly a popular type of video on KZbin even though they're highly dangerous and can paralyse and even kill.

[@alejandrogarcia3227]

They can be dangerous but the chances are very low. Let's not over exaggerate it​@@GazB85

[@_mayathecreator_]

That's why dad won't allow me to get my neck adjusted by a chiropractor. He pretty much yells at me

[@sakkikoyumikishi]

​@@_mayathecreator_smart dad. You should listen to him more.

[@EmmaHope88]

Whereas that can happen in very rare cases, let's not forget that medical malpractice kills people too and is not uncommon.

[@alioc3298]

Last time I went to a chiro he told me my pelvis was out of alignment and he bashed the crap out of it to “help”. I ACTUALLY had ankylosing spondylitis

[@michellesmith7704]

Ouch! That could have caused your condition to rapidly progress. Hope that didn't happen to you.

[@yoders187]

I grew up thinking chiropractors were real doctors, due to the fact my dad is a chiropractor, and he always wants to be address professionally as Dr. I'll never forget the day when I asked him how the "medical" field he went to college for works, and he said, "We don't really know how it works."

[@Three_Random_Words]

I gotta hear more! You've got some rare insight there, that most would stayed hushed about.

[@alxjones]

Well if he's a DC then he is a real doctor, just not a _medical_ one.

[@Robertmartines]

D. C. means Doctor of Chiropractic

[@rochelle178]

​@@Robertmartinesyeah the point being most people make an assumption that they're a medical doctor, when they're not. It's misleading.

[@charles5a]

​​@@Robertmartines I once gave myself the title a DQ - Doctor in Quackery. I henceforth want to be addressed as Dr, because I'm also a real Dr. 🤦‍♂️

[@rowanwhitethorn9686]

I have never heard of any good chiropractor claiming to be able to cure any ailment with chiropractic, nor one that believes that ailments “live in the joints” - it’s simply a temporary form of pain relief - like any profession there are good people and bad ones

[@egray139]

My mother frequently had back and neck problems and her chiropractor would massage a pressure point on one of her fingers to make it go away. Also recommended she cut her caffeine intake. Both things helped.

[@EyanZ1997]

the important thing here isn’t saying that all chiropractors are quacks. As mentioned, a lot of them do have experience with physical therapy and have worked with physicians, but it’s important to understand what they’re actually doing to your body and why it’s helping you instead of taking what they say as fact because a good number of them don’t know what they’re doing, do not have the certifications needed, and are really just practising a pseudoscience, which has caused a lot of harm for others. there simply isn’t enough of a scientific basis. there’s a lot we don’t understand about the human body even now but there’s also a ton other misinformation that can be spread even by these so called professionals. i’m happy that it worked out on your end but i wouldn’t go around trusting the entirety of chiropractic care. it is genuinely the equivalent of some of these traditional medicines that certain cultures still practise that aren’t backed by science. people claim to have been cured by them, but it’s all empirical evidence, we don’t know why it works for those, the placebo effect is a thing too. point is, there’s nothing wrong with giving these a shot if nothing else helps, but trusting it is not the hill to die on

[@egray139]

@@EyanZ1997 there was no need to go this deep in your response. I was reporting my objective experience. I don't lean one way or another.

[@Jerry-cg9ni]

My friend Billy Bob fought 200 black belts at once and won. I also make up anecdotes

[@egray139]

@@Jerry-cg9ni I didn't make it up. You not believing it is your problem.

[@nerissarowan8119]

@@Jerry-cg9nithere are many people in the world that have had positive outcomes visiting chiros. There are also many that have had negative outcomes and arguably the largest number have probably had no real change either way. The existence of one group does not negate the existence of the other two groups.

[@Jettrey]

I had gotten an x-ray and apparently had a pinched nerve in my neck. Was told to just go to a chiropractor. It definitely did help.

[@cbjueueiwyru7472]

Im fine that chiropractors arent legit. My problem is that every time I meet one, they go into a sales pitch about how chiropractic solves all problems. Just do your psuedoscience and stop the sales pitch

[@grace52775]

I had a pelvic and coccyx injury after giving birth. Walking and sitting caused severe pain, and I couldn't use stairs. I went to a pelvic floor physical therapist and an orthopedic doctor for three years with little results. After ONE session with a chiropractic at the suggestion of a friend, I felt better than I had in years. After three months, I felt 80% better.

[@HaloHuntress]

I'm so thankful for my chiropractor. All my life my doctors just told me to exercise and take ibuprofen for my back pain. At 16 I couldn't even bend over to pick up anything without pain. After my first chiropractor appointment I was able to bend over to pick up a dust pan I used and I cried. I go every few months for an adjustment and am able to have a better quality of life. Whatever the problem is, no other doctor has given me another solution.

[@cupbowlspoonforkknif]

That's the other important side of this issue. Medical doctors don't have the time or the system isn't set up for wellness. Instead they only have 10 minutes to write you a prescription then run out the door. I don't blame doctors, I blame the system. If healthcare wasn't so bad, we wouldn't need to pursue alternatives!

[@heatherreilly6595]

my chiro never made odd claims that he could fix everything..he was there to help with my neck and back pain ( herniated discs in my neck). He would adjust my neck, stretch me, give me exercises etc. Dr Perry was a godsend, and he would not turn anyone away even if they could not pay..he just wanted to help people feel better. He never pretended to be a medical doctor, and would even ask me questions as a nurse when he needed clarification on medical things. Medical docs and chiropractors can and should exist in their own separate spheres

[@thebaricat]

I had a football injury in high school that dis-alined a vertebrae in my neck, and after six months of going to pain specialists, a chiropractor noticed the injury and fixed it in half an hour

[@SintoCarrera]

I make up medical anecdotes on the internet too

[@Jerry-cg9ni]

I'll just say I had a friend named Billy Bob who went to the moon, fought Bruce Lee, joined Seal Team 6, and flew across the world 3 times in just a day.

[@Really250]

​@@SintoCarrera yeah except for the 10 of thousands of people with examples like this. I personally have experience it. 1 or 2 treatments the problem fix I don't need to go back for like 5 to 10 years.

[@SintoCarrera]

@@Really250 personal anecdotes don’t count as evidence. chiropractic methods and pseudoscience, no matter how many times they call themselves “doctors”

[@auroradera2862]

​@SintoCarrera your ignorance is showing

[@goldenagenut]

Got injured, thought I'd badly torn a muscle in my shoulder. Six painful years later, shoulder was screaming, gf told me to stop suffering, go to a chiropractor we knew, old guy, an occupational therapist told us he was who all of the other chiropractors went to, to get worked on. Described my pain, he walked behind me, " So it probably hurts there?" poked a spot, " YEOW! YES! " , "...and here?" poked another spot, " YEOW, YES!!!" He walks back in front of me, " You have a dislocated rib. That little ball you can feel is the ball joint of the rib, sticking out." He grabbed my upper torso, did a few seemingly light adjustments, BAM, pain gone, never even felt it go back in. Never bothered me again. I'm not saying there aren't bad ones, but they certainly have helped a lot of people. That being said just a couple of years ago ' free adjustments ' were being advertized by a massage clinic with a whole staff of chiropractors. I went down, the guy only did like 2 light adjustments then hit me with, " Ok, let's get you signwd up, how about 2 visits a week for 3 months..." I asked , " Um, 2 a week?!? So how much per visit?" He happily replied, " Oh, we can give you a deal at $69 per visit! " You do the math, I bailed like my life depended on it.

[@OrochimaruFromKpw]

I have friends that have had chiropractors helped them fix joints that've been out of place, but that's about it. Anything else was just, like she says, temporary relief. So anything about it that actually helps really is just physical therapy

[@logawnio]

They've done xrays before and after chiro treatments. Bones don't get moved or shifted by what they do.

[@supersolomob422]

@@logawnioI didn’t think we were judging by appearances here. The problem with doctors is that they know everything and don’t listen to patients. Taking an X-ray as proof over how people actually felt is a great example of what doctors do! Good job! 👏 👏 “Oh, your joints are in excruciating pain are they? Well I took an X-ray and other tests and they came back fine. So nothing is wrong with you.” 🤡

[@devilmonkey]

​@@logawnioyou know there's thousands of videos on KZbin that dispute that. There's literally a kid hunched over walking with his head by his knees that was fixed. Things absolutely get shifted out of place, heck ive had my pelvis tilted to where i couldn't walk straight. So what you're sayiny has no basis in reality what so ever. Insane, more than half the comments here are like this, people live in delusions, i don't know why

[@morgiemango6242]

We had a chiropractor come in during health class when I was 14. Dude told me that my celiac was because of my spine… bro what

[@captaindestruction9332]

The interesting part of all this is hearing people saying Doctors/Surgeons were extremely quick to order lifechanging surgeries than explore other methods for treatment such as chiropractic adjustments. Id say any Doctor that pushes surgery without acknowledging the potential benefits other practices could bring should be looked at more harshly than a chiropractor telling you their adjustments will help with every ailment. Weve seen how there are many con artists among the certified/licensed medical field who will sell your health down the river to make a quick buck.

[@richiethomas5428]

Positive comment here: I had pretty bad scoliosis when I was a child and went to a chiropractor for a little less than 2 years twice a week with no other therapy. By the end of my treatment my spine was perfectly straight and healthy. I’ve been to 4 or 5 different chiropractic offices and never have they claimed to be the end all be all of medicine (not saying this doesn’t happen but it’s just not what I’ve personally seen). Instead, in my experience they have been extremely helpful in fixing bone and joint issues and pains for me as well as providing incredible physical therapy after all the cracking… not to mention it just feels soooooo good

[@Iampatrix]

I went to a chiropractor for about a year due to persistent pain between my shoulder blades due to me being overweight and spending 16hrs a day gaming. He didn't try and make any crazy claims or promise results but once a week he'd crack my hips, several places along my spine and my neck. It definitely helped, i don't think he was adjusting bones but forcing muscles that I'd neglected to losen up which helped with better range of motion and got things moving again. So basically physical therapy. Also one time i banged my knee on the side of my desk and it started making this clicking noise. I asked him to take a look at it and he felt around my knee and jammed his thumb into it, i heard a pop, and he just said i had a tendon out of place and stuck. Fixed me right up. I know most the claims for chiropractors is nonsense but i think there can be a practical use for them. Plus he was really cheap. I could have just worked out and lost weight for free though.

[@tonyc2570]

Maybe lower your gaming hours 😂it’s called preventive medicine lol

[@Iampatrix]

@@tonyc2570 this was like 14 years and 50lbs ago. Quit the gaming and got a job that keeps me active.

[@tonyc2570]

@@Iampatrix that’s awesome and good on you for seeing the light.

[@TayF_90]

That is not physical therapy.

[@Iampatrix]

@@TayF_90 you're not physical therapy.

[@marie8553]

I can’t get over how much that statue looks like Jack Black

[@tumishomagdeline8820]

Bruhh 😂😂the comment I was looking for..

[@dragon117d7]

Omg, I live near the statue and I will never be able to unsee that

[@littlethuggie]

As a DC, I completely agree with everything she said, but for the fact that if you want to bring up what was going on 100 years ago, bring up the fact that MDs were prescribing literal radiation drinks in the 30s that melted people, or saying smoking cigs is healthy in the 60s, etc. Plenty of skeletons in the ol' MD closet lol

[@Really250]

Yeah exactly.

[@ajonescouk]

Of course the big difference is that when new evidence comes up, real medicine moves on. Sometimes slower than it should because big companies have interests in selling their own treatments, but it still progresses.

[@notablehaddock9462]

There are plenty. I don't think it is to air dirty laundry. I think it is worth discussing because the public largely does not know chiropractors are not medical professionals. There will be good and bad like any other profession, some that are honest and will be transparent with their clients, there are others that won't. Those ones can be the difference of delaying medical interventions that could be life changing.

[@littlethuggie]

@ajonescouk is that how medicine really is?

[@jayeisner8849]

I have to admit that's a good point. It's probably not fair to compare chiropractic foundation myths with current medical practice

[@CoyoteBrandChili]

I am a paramedic and have been to three chiropractors in my life. 2 of which actually did help me get rid of my issues permanently. The 3rd however was a complete snake oil salesman. The point is they aren't all bad. I've lived the benefits of good chiropractors.

[@nelly2958]

Was not expecting the chiropractor lore

[@UnlimitedHatred]

All I know is that after I had an adjustment, my migraines cleared up the next day. It's been 10 years and I'm still feeling good. Coincidence? Maybe.

[@URaggedybetch]

I was dating a chiropractor once (I’m an MD). We were discussing something and he said “yeah, because we’re both doctors”. I was like 😐.

[@aaronlewis2501]

Yeah, he’s crazy and you’re snobby so I see why you didn’t get along

[@dengar96]

​@aaronlewis2501 it's not snobby to be restrictive of the use of the term "doctor". It comes with a lot of inherent respect and authority and when people misuse that position it hurts every doctor.

[@URaggedybetch]

@@aaronlewis2501 ha. If I was snobby then I wouldn’t have dated him.

[@URaggedybetch]

@@dengar96 thank you.

[@aaronlewis2501]

@@dengar96 it doesn’t bother me

[@staceycorriveau7495]

My chiropractor has helped me immensely with migraines. Saw many neurologists over the years with countless narcotics and I am off of them now.

[@વિવેક-ઢ4બ]

A DO student I had when I was a resident doc offered to help with my neck - I couldn't look left without pain. Couple of maneuvers and cracks later I was good for 2+ weeks

[@KMx108]

Same approach as some DCs but as a DO, no one can say they aren't "real" doctors....I think doctors who feel compelled to tell people chiropractors aren't real doctors have some sort of insecurity issues. DCs can't prescribe...if that doesn't clue people in to the difference, then they've got bigger problems to deal with.

[@ShouPow]

DOs are real doctors who go to fully rigorous medical school who also learn more PT than MDs. This is very common among DOs especially those who practice sports medicine. They are not chiropractors but I'm sure many chiros would LOVE to be confused as a DO.

[@froghole1]

That's cool. Chiropractic still permanently fixed my lower back pain in 2 visits. It doesn't fix everything, but its not always temporary relief. I did physical therapy first and it made me worse

[@aRandomPerson...]

Found the dc

[@sunsinger970]

The problem is that chiropractors not being real doctor is treated as a joke. Its not a joke.

[@AdoraBelle33]

A chiropractor ruined my life at a party by adjusting me with zero informed consent other than "here give me your hand - ill show you something" then he performed a "high velocity thrust" and I've been disabled ever since.

[@nerissarowan8119]

That’s terrible. Were you in a position to take action against him?

[@fumoffu_l]

I've yet to meet someone that goes to a chiropractor that doesn't have to go 1-4 times a month for the rest of their life. Not once has anyone ever said "I went to the chiropractor 2 months ago and I've been great ever since!" Even without a doctor telling me, I knew this was a scam the second I heard it.

[@frankbuck99]

I only go when I hurt myself. There have been rimes where I had multiple visit’s because I screwed up so bad. Chiropractors have fixed me a lot.

[@donnawestbrook8992]

@fumoffu_l let me introduce myself. I have gone years between visits at times. When I need it, I do, usually because of an injury. I chose chiropractic and acupuncture to help me because doctors couldn't fix my issues after a car accident, MDs only wanted to prescribe pain meds. I decided to get well instead of being hooked on painkillers.

[@Really250]

That literally only way I go to a chiropractor. I do like 1 to 2 treatments, it fixes the problem and I don't go back. I bought a foam roller and it has made it so I almost neither have to go.

[@samterry1062]

I used to not need adjustments very often but after a bad car accident my body has changed and doesn't stay in alignment as well. Acupuncture helped me go longer between adjustments. I'm getting better slowly. The body takes time to heal.

[@nerissarowan8119]

Hi! I used to have some serious issues caused by carrying heavy school bags. Pretty sure it took three visits and some stretching advice to fix that one. Most other problems were one and done.

[@alexdubinskiy8847]

So...I had tremndous back pain and my chiropractor got rid of it in a few sessions. I don't care who says what, it helped me tremendously. I do normally see normal MDs for other ailments, but there was nothing temporary about my pain relief.

[@lindsayswarthout9227]

Chiropractic care can be a treatment for some medical issues - I have had a doctor tell me to go to a chiropractor before. It is still important for people to know that chiropractors are not medical doctors.

[@Leeummm83]

I hear you, but credit where credit is due. I had chronic chest and neck pain for 10 years. Many doctors said I just had inflammation of the cartilage and sent me on my way. Finally got a doctor that recommended I go to a chiropractor who was just as surprised to hear he was recommended by a doctor. First visit, I had zero pain before I left. I went for a few more weeks and the pain has never returned and it’s been 4 years.

[@danstewart3894]

Hip pain became severe. A friend suggested I try chiropractic therapy. The chiropractor told me I’d need to be seen once a week for an indeterminate period. I questioned this. He replied, “I am the official chiropractor for our NFL team. He knows what he’s doing. I asked him how much it cost him to be the official team chiropractor. He’d never been asked that before obviously. X-rays showed severe arthritis. I had a hip replacement a couple months later. I shared this story with my orthopedic surgeon. His laughter was historically funny to me.

[@ShouPow]

I'm glad you were able to get imaging and helpful surgery early enough 🙏🏾

[@keeahrahr3311]

In Canada (and as far as I know the US and UK are similar as well), MDs only have *12hrs* of education about the musculoskeletal system *cumulatively*. (If they specialize, that changes of course) They're often idiots when it comes to musculoskeletal issues and their recommendations reflect it. Go in for a referral to a PT, add massage therapy for pain management- but check what your local registration requirements are first! Not all MTs are equal, especially if your area has low registration/licensing requirements. Chiro involves a *lot* of education- a doctorate in fact, which is another deceptive tactic. They are *very educated- but the entire modality is based on nonsense. When they're good, they're not doing chiro. For reference: In Ontario and BC it's well over 2000hrs of education, required practicum, and an exam that runs over multiple days including written and oral practical components. Doesn't mean they're all great, but they at least have education and oversight. Many RMTs are excellent at rehab/chronic conditions.

[@renzaluski1385]

In the US, it's very different. That's a required, semester long class for anyone going into the medical field.

[@alanpartridge1385]

You are comparing apples to bananas. If I have a bad back and visit my GP, the GP will not manipulate my spine, or make wild diagnoses based on an (allegedly) limited muscular-skeletal knowledge. The most likely outcome will be I'm prescribed pain killers and told to rest and come back in a week if it's not better. If it fails to respond, again the GP won't make any rash decisions or diagnoses. What they'll do is create a medical plan for me, which could include blood tests, a CT or MRI scan, a referral to a physio or an orthopaedic consultant. And between this team of experts my injury will be managed. Contrast to turning up at the local chiropractor, who'll take a few notes, make their diagnosis and then start cracking my spine, neck and whatever else for possibly weeks on end.

[@keeahrahr3311]

@@alanpartridge1385Edit: to be clear GP > Chiro for sure Yeah... Not a fan of chiros at all... My point being that in some cases, your GP might not be great at dealing with your musculoskeletal issues either- a good first appointment to make, but if feasible, I would honestly recommend seeing a physio before taking anything other than pain mgmt or doing anything other than rest and very light exercise (it's always good to move if it's pain free). What you described is pretty much what one would *hope* a GP would do- recognize that there is a need for Tx, order appropriate imaging and possibly an Rx for pain, and then probably refer out for a full Ax and Tx. That's not necessarily what happens though, it's not rare at all for GPs to dismiss musculoskeletal issues or misdiagose them. This can include prescribing meds and treatment plans that will actively aggravate the condition. The solution, as I see it, would be to significantly improve access to physiotherapy. It should absolutely be covered under any evidence-based universal healthcare plan. It makes more sense to see a physio for an assessment *first* and *then* be referred to your DR if there are any flags in how you're presenting or if prescription medications are needed. GPs are overworked, why not alleviate their workload of a fairly significant chunk of what a family practise deals with, and send people with musculoskeletal injuries to an arguably better equipped expert *first*?

[@bradyblough]

We need to be careful with terms. Chiropractors do have doctorates; however, they aren’t medical doctors. Saying chiropractors aren’t doctors, though, is inaccurate and rooted in the idea that the only people worthy of calling themselves doctors are medical doctors.

[@shannon890]

Where do you live? In my state they only need an associates degree to practice

[@confusedcat2160]

Lol I’m sorry but a chiropractor should not be called doctor.

[@bradyblough]

@@confusedcat2160 The issue is where does it end? Physical Therapists are seen as the reasonable alternative, but they only go to school for three years (glorified trade school) to do get their doctorates. Compare that to someone studying physics who may need 5 or 6 years of intense, rigorous mathematical training. Does the PT get to call themselves a doctor? And you might say it has nothing to do with the training, but the fact chiropractic is comprised of so much pseudoscience, but not all chiros are making false promises, and as said in the video there is some scientific backing to chiropractic medicine. There is pseudoscience in all fields.

[@tab8294]

You are mental 😂

[@confusedcat2160]

@@bradyblough that’s another thing, I don’t think PTs should be called doctors either. I do believe however that people who receive their PhDs should be called doctors. I think it completely has to do with the training and rigor of training as well. Does an NP get to call themselves doctor? No, because the rigor and length of training doesn’t equal the vast knowledge a medical doctor has to know. Medical doctors go to medical school for 4 years, go on to 3-7 years of residency and many move on to do fellowship. PT and chiropractors don’t require a “residency” after completing their schooling.

[@rl1271]

I had a back injury and a chiropractor fixed me up, and it felt amazing at the same time. He told me to start deadlifting and building core strength. Never had a back problem since 10+ year later.

[@smackerooonii7001]

Man i thought they just cracked your joints because its satisfying and hard to do on your own safely.

[@sayrerowan734]

I just went to one for the first time. He's old school, not trying to cure everything possible. He really helped my with a lingering neck problem.

[@clb2c4e26]

You should have gone to a physiotherapist, who will not only be able to help your neck issues, they will be able to do so without increasing your risk of having a stroke.

[@shonoren3682]

Just because the guy who invented chiro thought it would fix ailments which it cannot doesn't mean that all chiropractors think they can address "the cause of every ailment that we know of." That is such straw-man garbage. Like other therapeutic disciplines, it has its place and provides a benefit to a subset of the population.

[@maryvw95]

A chiropractor basically saved my back after a horrible car accident when I was 17. I would definitely be walking funny if I did not go to her for 14 days straight for small adjustments and different therapies. It would have been nothing a “real doctor” could have helped me with.

[@Not_a_smart_man]

There are lots of YT chiropractors who use half dressed onlyfans women as bait to get people to watch the videos. Shows what those “doctors” are really like

[@Beth-sn9ip]

Chiropractic has given me pain relief, and I have seen videos of people literally doubled over who are helped by chiropractic

[@rebecca5343]

A chiropractor was the only thing that helped with my mother’s back pain after a car crash. But that was also one of the ones more on the side of physiotherapy, leaning more towards using tools/massage to help loosen your muscles and improve range of motion

[@tabie.519]

Experience: regular chiropractic care has helped me to deal with pain and potentially helped me to keep my ability to wall. My primaries (hudband was military, so multiple primaries) were useless and refused to listen when I said their treatments were not working. I will never take a muscle relaxer again. Thank you.

[@mjfullente3359]

I only go to the Chiropractor for an instant physical relief, not for some treatment, cure, therapy, or any other superstitious believe. For me, going to a Chiropractor is the same as going for a massage.

[@Will140f]

Except a massage actually feels good

[@mjfullente3359]

@@Will140f Chiropractic also feels good though.

[@JeanEDeaux]

💯💯💯. It’s basically a form of massage therapy.

[@Christian-gb8zf]

I had a sports chiropractor that told me strengthen the muscles around where I I felt the”constant need to pop” and it fixed all my pain and popping. Now I can’t pop my back when I try and don’t feel like I need to. So I went to one that actually helped me. Doctors just said I had Ehlers Danlos and I’d get arthritis by 50 and there’s nothing they can do about it. But it did require me to lift weights, do wall sits, and other resistance exercises

[@rumblefish9]

Go to a licensed physical therapist and if you have mobility issues, an occupational therapist

[@ShouPow]

Please, if you're able see a PT or OT or specifically a sports doctor that helps people with connective tissue disease. Strengthening muscle groups around problem joints is literally just how human physiology works and it's effectively the difference between bodybuilder physique (asymmetrical muscle growth causing long-term damage to body structures) and gymnast physique (symmetrical growth of most muscle groups resulting in equal tension across all of their joints). It's the reason why many people who lift weights lose mobility. PT knowledge is indispensable

[@ideasmatter4737]

I went to chiropractor for a time, and I’m glad I figured this out for myself pretty quickly.

[@ryanz4772]

Fortunately they're not all like that. Many are rooted in physiotherapy and rehab.

[@michaelkolman8313]

I’ve seen multiple chiropractors in my life, they all made me feel better short term, but the better ones gave me stretches and strength training exercises for my back and neck that helped for real

[@jasongallagher631]

So important for getting this out. Thank you. Hard to tell my parents that they're wasting their money, you know how that generation is, but I try to make sure my sister and friends hear about this so they don't throw money down the drain.