Choosing Your Faction - 2020 - Getting Started in Horus Heresy

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[@Me-cw7wu]

"Mabey you will want to collect auxilia" ah yes, I too dabble in the black market organ trade to pursue my hobby

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

I know the feel... I live in South America... A combat patrol box (Talking specifically about the BA one) costs R$ 1250 while the Minimum wage here is almost R$ 1200... 😂😂😂😂😂🥲🥲🥲

[@khadorstrong]

"What Legion should I collect" You should only discuss that between you and your doctor.

[@Deadphoenix91]

55 Australien Dollars for Transfer Sheet... GW is out of his mind with those international pricings. I feel for you guys

[@skimbo1407]

I know that it's a bit taboo, but that's the reason I go recast.

[@SirChickenMacNugget]

@@skimbo1407 Doesn't seem to be many 3rd party's doing Transfer Sheets though...

[@hyfryd6677]

A lot of the Forge World stuff is 3d printable nowadays, all Marks of power armour and dreadnoughts are up for free if you know where to look.

[@jayman7752]

I think it to do with exports/ import taxes

[@brycemcewen6146]

@@jayman7752 nah the Australian taxes are less than the UK

[@Pikkabuu]

The fact that Iron Warriors don't have many special legion specific units is just GW's way of making IW players bitter like the legion itself is of course ;)

[@kennetheisenbraun5217]

With Alpha Legion you actually have a few different color schemes all of which are correct. You've got the metallic teal/cyan color on forgeworld, a dark cobalt, a blueish purple, veridian, dark blue with green highlights, or sapphire/metallic blue.

[@PsychicAlchemy]

And here I thought 40k was expensive.

[@ollzy6663]

It would be easier to convince people to start Horus Heresy armies if more of the models had rules for 40K. They don't even bother providing experimental rules these days. Forge World have been run so poorly in the past few years and so many models and upgrade sets have been discontinued that I can't trust them enough to start an army anymore. The Kharon Pattern Acquisitor for Sisters of SIlence is a good example; I'd buy a unit of sisters and a Kharon if it had rules for 40k and it could help form the basis of a HH force which would lead to more purchases. Such a bizarre and outdated way to manage a game system.

[@tabe8850]

TheGBRedcoat - Exactly. And it stinks of poor management that GW has not figured this obvious synergy out.

[@CyblokGaming]

To be fair, forgeworld have announced a complete reworking of the imperial armour indexes. So if we're lucky, more will be ported over than ever (also hopefully they don't fuck up the keywords like the current ones)

[@paulvenetsanos1356]

But units such as the acquisitor DONT exist in 40k..

[@ollzy6663]

@@paulvenetsanos1356 What? They would be a Relic option like all of the other imported HH units e.g. Sicarans.

[@ollzy6663]

In fact they don't even need to be Relic now I think about it, there's absolutely nothing to suggest the Kharon doesn't exist in 40k. Games Workshop introduce new units all the time that "don't exist", the SoS aren't exactly the most fleshed out faction so introducing a transport isn't exactly lore breaking. Same logic applies to the Forgeworld Custodes units without rules. Regardless, the Kharon is almost certainly going to get 40k rules soon because FW announced the Talons of the Emperor Codex ages ago. Which brings me back to my original post, they've wasted years of potential 40k sales by not giving it and dozens of other models rules. That is an insane business model: why would you not want to maximize the sales potential of your products?

[@malusignatius]

I'm sorry, but we all know that the Salamanders specialise in Booping the Snoot. :P

[@adammoore251]

Forge world is so expensive. 40-60 quid for a dreadnaught without arms, and the arms vary from 20-35.

[@Weapon01]

Death Guard + Sisters Of Silence. Que up the Japanese city pop and have a good time.

[@foulmoodcentral2830]

"Iron Warriors!, No special characters released as such..." *cries in Narik Dreygur*

[@austinclark6519]

As a Sons of Horus player, I like taking Maloghurst the Twisted in lower point games (1000) since he gives your force the Reaver Onslaught effect without having to take "The Black Reaving" as your Rite of War. Side note, I believe in your Son's of Horus video you stated something like "you will need to cut his arm off and stick a banner on..." But I think surviving a orbital crash pretty much made him a living icon for his legion, so... His physical presence on the battlefield is a banner to Horus's sons. Funny thing that he didn't get "Born Survivor" like Loken, but I guess an orbital bombardment and virus bombing attack is worse than falling out of space and hitting the ground and being the sole survivor. I find reavers to be really good, though pricey--you have to watch what you are paying for. Best thing to do, when running the "The Black Reaving" is stick 9 of them in an Anvillus Dreadclaw with five+ Combi-meltas (because each model in the squad can take them) and the Master of Signal (that you must take with the rite of war), Drop Pod Assault them in on turn 1 beside something big and nasty. At that point melta the crap out of the big nasty, if it didn't die or there's a horde nearby use the MofS orbital bombardment. Next turn deep strike in some Justaerin (part of the rite of war) and they will not scatter with your MofS's Nunico-vox And oh because of your MofS's Cognis-signum the multi-melta that you can give a Justaerin fires with +1 BS (though they are chosen warriors so ask your opponent). It is a very Son's of Horus game style and if it works quite enjoyable to see your opponent's face. Unless they are White Scars, Alpha legion, Night Lords, Raven Wing, Raven Guard, Blood angels.... yah Thanks again Macce for the advice on the command rhino it has really help in making sure this happens! (Though it will take an already limited space within your HQ slot-- remember you must take a MofS.) Reavers are not bad if equiped with jump packs (50 points straight up) and chain axes coming in from Outflank but without a command rhino you are playing the lottery with over 300 of your points--they have Fleet with the "Encirclement" effect. And finally, taking Volkite Chargers on them with the Death Dealer legion special rule and Precision Shot can be nasty on enemy HQs which is pretty much what these guys are designed to do; cut the head off the snake! Thanks Macce for your videos. I enjoy your candid view on things.

[@MarcPastyr]

Austin Clark this make want to go sons of Horus now... or maybe word bearers I can’t decide

[@mikediamond1234]

Marc Pastyr I play both and both are fantastic legions

[@konradcurzethereturnedandv2845]

So great to see you doing more Getting Started. Whether you are just beginning or experienced these videos are awesome. Still holding out hope that you will do an Allied Detachments video for this series, though.

[@spenson]

Awesome video. I really like that you are still making new videos on getting started to keep up with the releases

[@TheNipnip22]

So many shoulders/upgrade items are marked as “no longer available”. Did i miss a LCtB? Love the video. Getting started series was a brilliant idea and is what got me to return to warhammer after a decade just for Horus Heresy. Thank you Macca.

[@bingus282]

TheNipnip22 Russian recasters to your service

[@jeans4484]

@@bingus282 Chinese too, but not right now, they can't send stuff out.

[@SleepySoviet]

blood angels red contrast over leadbelcher spray makes easymode 1k sons also gw literally sells sons of horus green now

[@maukka1545]

Ah yes, the Ultramarines Primarch Yollman.

[@LurksNoMore]

Mechanicum offers robots. Nuff said.

[@docvaliant721]

The new lore give Dark Angels some scary hardware. I like them or the Mechanicum.

[@axemurderer010]

GREAT vid! I like hearing about each legion, models & lore together ,my favorite type of WH videos. I do 40k but I like ur stuff & trust what you say about 30k . I always find myself more interested in 30k after a good video from you I just don't like the look of a lot of the 30k models & armor styles & vehicles but I love the gritty painting style lol, I try to carry that over into my 40k painting it does help the more cartoony look of some 40k stuff lol

[@sithprimarch9970]

What I like about HH is that all of the different legions have there own special flavor

[@01oo011]

Fists! Might start Sons of Horus someday. Timing is also perfect since Death of Hope is coming out today! Might get some new Ultramarine or Word Bearer fans.

[@dominionwargaming8638]

Do it. They're a lot of fun to play as and Horus is an absolute beast of a primarch.

[@jimmyjohn8831]

Cheers for the video have been on the fence on starting a blood angles or night lords army as my first dive into HH. Night lords it is 👍

[@nikinikolov6570]

Oh wow the Horus Heresy is so cool. You get to play with a ton of units on the board. Space marine legions. Hell yeah! Oh. It is forge world. Oh. Tons of units. At what price? Well back to 40k it is.

[@logitimate]

And then you discover recasters and STL files. Or so I'm told

[@amg5787]

All the 30k armies I’m thinking of are all the ones he said is the hardest to paint... I know how to choose them haha.

[@foulmoodcentral2830]

The idea of a daemon army waning in strength as time goes on seems quite interesting to me, its much like their hold on being in the materium slipping as they take certain casualties or lack in resources of a sort, if only the reverse of the mechanic could also be added as the goal of the army you'd really feel that hunger they have to retain themselves.

[@briancline7349]

I really love that blue or whatever you want to call in on the Alpha Legion... in fact I don’t like chaos much but if I were to play 30k I might chose the Alphas Legion... they also have cool lore and their tricky covert ops play style appeals to me.

[@Sanch0JR]

I found this video extremely helpful I've been juggling which army to start for at least 2 months now and you've helped me find an army I like

[@radeadcool]

"NIGHTS IN SPAAACEEEEE!"

[@Alex-yg5uh]

I suggest people collect their favorite legion based on which legion(s) they like best from the Horus Heresy, and if they have not read the Horus Heresy they really should.

[@havoc569]

I thought that the 7th legion was the Death Guard... strange

[@Lakefront_Khan]

They absolutely are don't trust the propaganda.

[@adammoore251]

14th no?

[@MagnificentFiend]

@@adammoore251 He's referring to a promo in which GW referred to the Death Guard incorrectly as the VIIth Legion.

[@evileyeball]

I don't play / Have desire to play 30k but I have always loved the Lore behind 30k and Always back in my 40k days wanted to make somethng based around the Flight of the Eisenstein however I ran into some problems around 2010 when I was concidering this. A: No Plastic SM Models in proper armour marks B: Gw Kept Retconning the ammount of men from each legion that were on the ship finalizing on 69DG and 1 LW So I canceled the idea I eventually left 40k for some time but then last year at my wifes request we started Kill team, and this uses a 20 man roster system (both the 18 and 21 versions) Having always had this idea of Heresy era Eisenstein dudes in my mind I decided to write my own fluff for a group of 20 Loyalists who survived Isstvan III and tried to warn the emperor as well but got stuck in a warp eddy and emerged in M41 now on a hunt to fight and kill their traitorous bretheren. In the 11 years the idea had been racking my brain A: GW made Plastic Mark III and IV (I chose all Mark III for this project) B: Since It was my project now and not tied to existing fluff I could pick my own numbers Hence my Memoirs of Isstvan Team who is made up of 5 EC 5 DG 5 LW and 5 WE 2 of them (Jump pack and Two chainswords world eater) and Storm shield and Bolter LW became Illegal loadouts in the transition to KT21 but if I run the others as Deathwatch I can use all of the other 18 so its really cool I just came here to listen and see what was going on in the 30k side of things.

[@henrythe9th377]

The Iron Hands are more machine than man, twisted and evil...

[@Jmcd1986]

I don't get why the Eldar and Orks don't have 30k rules as both factions were very active in 30k and are important in the fluff.

[@TheOuterCircle]

So there are some fan-made rules for them in 30k, but essentially in the Heresy, mankind is totally dominant, they have almost finished the great crusade, the entire galaxy is subjugated, all the ork empires are dead, their worlds utterly destroyed. The Eldar are still reeling from the birth of Slaanesh, and wary of humanity as they don't want to bring down the entire galaxy conquering force upon themselves. The Necrons are asleep.

[@thescarletpumpernel3305]

and once more the insane hope that GW will release a Mark II marines battle set is seeded in my mind.

[@dominicvucic8654]

Or plastic mk 2 in general would be fucken amazing

[@endlesswaffles6504]

Sevatar is by far my favorite FW character

[@gax1337]

I feel like imperial milita and cults are not really played as much because they dont have a lot of different units, there are 20 units in the army, some of wich can also be used by other armies like the termite. Personally I think that imperial army would benifit if they got a lot of units that the 40k imperial guard have. Hell Id say port over the entire 7th ed army, remove some of the character models and things like minutorum priests, add in the other imperial army units from 30k and youll have a much better selection to choose from

[@lucianaurelius2418]

For the love of god please do Rights Of War videos 😩

[@MC-el2us]

Shooter Mcgavin this

[@MC-el2us]

Zoomer Waffen ??? Why not they’re important buffs to most armies?

[@iggythegreat5061]

You can use Chroma Colors for AL and TS, it is easy color pretty much :D !

[@prdalien0]

Official unbiased tier list: God tier: Word Bearers Blood Angels White Scars Thousand Sons Sons of Horus Chad tier: Iron Warriors Dark Angels Emperors Children Salamanders Ultramarines Raven Guard Virgin tier: Space Wolves Night Lords Alpha Legion World Eaters Iron Hands Death Guard Cuck tier: Imperial Fists

[@fernandorivera4719]

Word Bearers god tier? In lore perhaps, rules wise they got shafted by FW. With the new Ruinstorm demons, their RoW and special characters have become redundant. Why FW, why?

[@maxelleasgadrah3974]

alpha legion is secretly in god tier

[@niklashall5969]

I'm stuck between salamanders and Dark angels and blood angels, but I'm starting with night lords for sure and then I will collect terminators and contemptor dreadnaughts coz they look amazing

[@MC-el2us]

There are no other factions. Dark Angels only.

[@zerominiatures4676]

Search your local community for a recaster if you’re only interested in non official play

[@TheSenorAwesome]

It's funny to think that in just like 1 year the blood angels got all of their toys. It happened so quick

[@samcaruso8529]

*Luaghs in 3++ Tartaros*

[@Nodwick123]

Regarding Custodes I feel you forgot to say you are properly also gonna struggle finding opponents there want to play against them.

[@benn1181]

THUMBS UP FOR IRON HANDS, WOOT

[@Lakefront_Khan]

"Turn black like sharks....." Or you know ravens. 😂

[@TheOuterCircle]

The pure black eyes and white skin like sharks is a hint at the Charcharadons Chapter of 40k....

[@Lakefront_Khan]

@@TheOuterCircle I think still they're from Night Lord stock, but ehh.

[@_ipsissimus_]

why did i watch all 48 minutes of this lmao

[@AKRex]

If you like Blue - Alpha Legion, Ultramarines, Night Lords If you like Black - Iron Hands, Raven Guard, Dark Angels If you like Yellow - Imperial Fists If you like Red - Word Bearers, Blood Angels, Thousand Sons If you like Grey - Space Wolves, Iron Warriors (metallic) If you like Green - Salamanders, Sons of Horus (they vary in representations, but more on the green spectrum) If you like Purple - Emperor's Children If you like White - White Scars, World Eaters If you like Beige - Death Guard My main one I play is Alpha Legion. Others I like and have (and want to start as well) are Iron Hands, Word Bearers, Death Guard, Emperor's Children, Night Lords, World Eaters and Sons of Horus.

[@Ghost3210]

Daemons of Ruinstorm is best at this point, since you can use the models you already got for AoS, 40k, KillTeam, Warcry

[@loganmartin2794]

Actually, Iron Warriors had Narik Dreygur released as a special character (I think Kyr Vahlen had a model too) but it went OOP awhile back

[@MLaak86]

Though I still think 40K will be the main thing I play... yeah the Heresy has pulled me into wanting it, especially since there's some Dark Angels stuff I'd happily proxy for 40K units.

[@ConcealedCourier]

If I had to do a game now it would have to be imperialis militia.. I only have models for guard and knights. I might be able to get an allied detachment of solar aux with my scions. I have been thinking about Dark Angels for 40k so..

[@mwnciboo]

Iron Hands Player "They are tough". I play them as Vehicle heavy panzer Grenadiers, so 10man Tacticals in Rhinos...I aim to out number the enemy so 3-4 x 10man tacticals, then a deathstar unit, and a tarpit unit. Immortals with Cyber Familiar and a basic Forgelord attached with say RAD Grenades is a Tarpit from hell. The only character (outside of a primarch) I have seen deal with them was KHARN and it took 3 turns and he was down to 1 wound. They are a mega tarpit throw them at the enemy Deathstar and tie them down for turns. I run cheap Landraider Proteus Squadrons (rather than Predators) and basically saturate the enemy with vehicles... Usually 8 or so. At 2500pts if I don't take ferrus I take a Fellblade the Iron hands become a "Line Holder" formation. Graviton can work well for them but is expensive. Plus if you want to go Cheese use the relics to make "30k Chapter Master Smash-f**ker" from 1d4 Chan. 3 x tacticals in Rhinos 600 points (dependent on Sgt loadout) - 3 x Proteus - 600pts. 1200 pts - 300pts for HQ's. That is my core 1500pts then I keep adding to them, for other ubits. My area plays 2000pts minimum and 3000pts when Primarchs are in.

[@noname8121]

As I have alot of custodes and I mean alot and some forgeworld bits might as well start with them if I ever go to heresy I'm 40k at the moment

[@keontez]

Sons of Horus @ 25:34

[@MLaak86]

Hmmmm, okay very helpful there. I think, if/when I do start up Dark Angels will remain my primary army - maybe look at what I can do to kinda merge 40K and 30K/HH stuff. Second army... Geez I'm torn, pry between Alpha Legion, Death Guard and Thousand Sons all on lore grounds really.

[@MrPaxy69]

I only started with 40k 8e and knights are only a mid tier army. I picked up a few of the FW knights and porting guys over for a 30k list so I don’t need to buy a ton more stuff. Would you say they are also mid tier in 30k? I know there is at least one Chaos knight player locally, so I figure it won’t be received too terribly.

[@darkhighwayman1757]

Do ya have to use the over priced FW minis? Can you just get some mark3-6 old tac marines?

[@dominicvucic8654]

I would love to make a shattered legions force under either autek mor or shradrak medusan. Or a dark angels force heers hoping

[@shadowtempest2145]

Forgot about Iron Havocs BS5 with tank hunter

[@lucianaurelius2418]

How dare you compare my beautiful renaissance Italians to Greek culture 😂

[@TB-ps6wc]

What would you say is the fluffyist legion for all terminator and dread? I'm thinking about doing that and maybe going SOH would it be fluffy to have multiple justaerin units?

[@minimundus1712]

Yeah theres ROW where you can take termies and reavers as standart, or you take Pride of the LEgion and yeah Justarian are the best termie minis

[@TB-ps6wc]

@@minimundus1712 I was just not sure if it's fluffy to take multiple units of the named elete termies? But yeah I think SOH have the best unique ones, 10 points extra for +1 WS and +1 W, yes please.

[@najdahoedus5077]

How is the balance/meta of 30K? Is there legions where one should beware of building an OP list? I'm planning of building a blood angel 30k army but I've read that some of the units availaible to me are really good, I'd like not to be that guy who brings an IH Leviathan dread to friendly 40k match. Any advices?

[@TheOuterCircle]

Anything can potentially be OP, build the list you want and if it's OP you'll soon find out.

[@JanitorScruffy]

I bought a box of chaos space marines to do Iron warriors. Painted three and gave up. Straight lines are not my friend.

[@blueeyesnoob1846]

Would an army of rouge trader beakies be legal in Horus Heresy?

[@themightyduck562]

They’re GW miniatures, so yes. They’re much, much smaller than modern minis though, so tournament-wise it’s shaky,

[@hyfryd6677]

The Iron Hands aren't very popular because they've got a bland colour scheme, a Primarch who got himself killed SUPER early and honestly not enough representation in 30 and 40k.

[@rystat]

what is that song at about 5:00?

[@keontez]

Sons of Horus at 25:40

[@philhitchings]

30k views fitting really.

[@Lakefront_Khan]

$665 for one model?!? That's, that's just........B.S. BTW do you HAVE to use the main legion paint job for official tournaments? That's kind why I was never interested in 30k.

[@TheOuterCircle]

Official tournaments? Or do you mean events? We don't play competitive generally, it really comes down to a thematic paint job and actually painting the minis. You can use the alternate schemes, the pre-primarch schemes, whatever you like.

[@Lakefront_Khan]

@@TheOuterCircle Thanks👍

[@InquisitorialOperator]

Every time I watch one of your videos I literally can't believe the prices! They're ridiculous, I thought they were bad in general but christ you ausies have it bad.

[@Jsay18]

You didn't cover Blackshields at all...

[@cvangemon1307]

He covers them at 35:24. Did you watch the video?

[@jimthorne1233]

I'm currently working on cult militia army. Turns out I enjoy normal humans over marines in 30k.

[@roaringlaughter3812]

Gw: hey look we got a cool new space marine hobby! Me: ow cool those models look neat Gw: yea it will only cost you your life savings to get started! Me: ehm ok... Gw: and your childrens life savings to finish a medium sized army! Me *slowly backing off* Gw: and your inheritance from jo grandpa to finish what you truly want!!! Me: *take of at full sprint* Gw: HORUS HERESY LEVELS OF EVIL LAUGHTER

[@alexandreogrande2100]

There’s only one option on 30k, Imperial fist! And on 40k only two, Black Templar and imperial fist

[@dominicvucic8654]

No love for the crimson fists

[@alexandreogrande2100]

@@dominicvucic8654 no

[@dominicvucic8654]

@@alexandreogrande2100 cries in Alexis polux

[@alexandreogrande2100]

@@dominicvucic8654 codex compliance doesn’t give you any love brother! Join the eternal crusade!

[@tacky4237]

What you're telling me is that there are no Alien faction's? that's a no for me

[@Moonwake534]

How do you start Horus Heresy? You don’t

[@minimundus1712]

GW has good how to paint for Alpha Legion and Thousand sons :)

[@mathewkelly9968]

Here's a hint don't support this over priced over powered crap ..... Seriously 30k is soooo shit