Chopping Jazz Piano Samples - Two Approaches | SP-404 Beat Making Tutorial

[@brownsons]

For some reason the videos you make really click for me rather than other tutorials. Thank you so much for making these. Literally Just got mine today!

[@Nonjuror]

hey man, that's cool to read, cheers!

[@macawdad2003]

The tap to mark/trim technique is brilliant.

[@Nonjuror]

Esp with Reverse for the End mark. Definitely handy when you're trying to grab something small in a tight space like a hi hat in a break.

[@bahutu802]

Wow, never worked with a 404, but some of its features are super dope! The simplicity of reverse playback for chopping, defining start & end points of a chop by hitting a pad at the right moment, time-stretching on the fly, instead of baking it into the sample destructively. Also, I didn't expect that fast-evolving piano to be so suitable for chopping (I typically end up with way to short samples, cause I have to chop away so much to exclude follow-up notes. Gives me a lot motivitation to refine the craftsmanship! Thanks!

[@Nonjuror]

Thanks heaps for that, 404 is one of those things where the limitations are what push me creatively, I get writers block on a DAW with an infinite blank canvas…cheers!

[@frankenfishdom]

Thanks for the reverse tip! That's super helpful!

[@Nonjuror]

Glad to be of help!

[@JayRaTheRu]

I think copying over the full sample to each pad then using the MARK to truncate the samples to each pad is a lot of space. Talking more specifically for a sp303! I like to save some space by sampling to a pad, mark the sample where I want, then resample that small piece onto the pad I want. I think it saves room for those who may need the extra space on the 303

[@Nonjuror]

100% agree man, I do the resample thing on the 303 like you said. This copy then mark thing is a luxury for the 404a coz it has a pad copy function, does it fast n has an abundance of sample time on a large sd card. For the 404a it’s the fasted method I came up with but 303 is def a mark then resample game. Cheers!

[@g-milz7399]

Your vids are awesome bro

[@Nonjuror]

Thanks a lot man, very much appreciated. Cheers!

[@mpiper4781]

Slept on video. Up n coming sampling producers need to learn this theory. Music theory is evolving. Hiphop revolutionized music like blues did (becoming rock n roll), like jazz did (becoming funk) and like reggae did (becoming dub). This kind of breakdown will help sampling (born from hiphop turntablism) get its respect. Excellent work, mn.

[@Nonjuror]

Thanks a lot, much appreciated! I completely agree. I was a jazz musician before I was a beat maker and that very much influences my mindset when chopping a sample and seeing how I can solve the puzzle. The sampler is very much an instrument, it annoys me when musicians feel otherwise when I can listen to their compositions using the sample chord progressions that the likes of The Beatles or Duke Ellington used decades earlier. It’s evolution, like you said.

[@pura_boda]

Nice Nonjuror! Thank you very much!

[@Nonjuror]

Cheers man!

[@ceciliafbrown373]

Liking the 2nd process of chopping. I guess that's the art of micro chopping. Great tutorial!

[@Nonjuror]

Cheers, thanks for that! Micro Chopping, that's a dope term.

[@ceciliafbrown373]

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[@Nonjuror]

@@ceciliafbrown373 wicked, that's cool - He's got such a dope sound...I'm going to go down a LEEM LIZZY rabbithole now...

[@ceciliafbrown373]

@@Nonjuror The brother is AMAZING

[@ceciliafbrown373]

@@Nonjuror Hope to see a vid on that technique

[@sw0ne]

Quality video liking the reverse tip!

[@Nonjuror]

Cheers man! Yeah the ol' Reverse in Gate Mode tapping def helps speed up finding where the sample / loop ends.

[@xG4M3FR34Kx]

you should do a video on longer chops/how to use them. great video!

[@Nonjuror]

Thanks man, how long are we talking?

[@xG4M3FR34Kx]

@@Nonjuror full bar maybe? sometimes i'll make a two to four bar loop with just two or three chops (sometimes looping certain chops). chopping on a down beat for a measure and switching on the back beat of the next measure (sorry if i'm explaining this poorly). honestly just looping samples as well. I do a lot of those sorts of thing on the 404 and I'm curious how you'd go about it. gotta love the basics of digging for gems and looping shit up. just some ideas, i dig your workflow! keep up the good work, man

[@boromir5810]

This video is so helpfull!!!! thx so much sir!

[@Nonjuror]

Thanks for checking it out dude!

[@i.am.imara1]

keep up these videos man - really helpful, really appreciate your effort

[@Nonjuror]

Thanks heaps man, glad you dig it! For some reason I’m really into chopping - like the hands on physical nature of it...it’s like paying dues, you earn it.

[@i.am.imara1]

@@Nonjuror i know - some people see chopping on samplers like this as tedious but as you say its the process which we like; by the way, can i ask - other than the delete hack are you aware of any ways of getting a choke/mute group (do you know what i mean? when samples in the same group play monophoically/chop each other off when playing)

[@Nonjuror]

I know what you mean but not that I know of, that would be dope...i can only do that on the 202 on banks C/D

[@i.am.imara1]

@@Nonjuror its funny you say that i have a yamaha su10 (same gen as ms-1 [precursor to sp202]) and even that (1995) can have mute groups...anyway im getting way ahead of myself, i only received the 404 today its too early to judge thanks again for sharing your knowledge man - im gonna keep learning

[@Nonjuror]

SU10 looks pretty fun! Get at me anytime man, always down for geek speak.

[@jieelyuu]

Nice to see that it’s not just me who is always madly tapping every time I chop samples 🤭

[@jieelyuu]

Also thank you so much for this video. I always used the “on the beat” technique but recently found it to be really limiting. Gotta try the other technique someday

[@Nonjuror]

Yeh man, tapping furiously to get that mark right on the attack is the way! Cheers!

[@fattmusiek5452]

Mega helpful.

[@lvcas5481]

Danke für's erklären!! Hab meine gestern bekommen und komm gar nicht mehr von los. 😅😊

[@Nonjuror]

Cheers man! Welcome to the party - Der beste fckin Spaß, den man im Sitzen haben kann!

[@ShannonOli]

Awesome man

[@Nonjuror]

Cheers! 🍺🍺🍺🍺

[@frilent]

Omg i didnt know you could mark multiple pads i've been going 1 at a time, this is way quicker

[@Nonjuror]

haha for sure...that'd take forever to chop!

[@User173]

always love your videos, you a cool cat mang.

[@Nonjuror]

Thanks man, much appreciated 👊

[@ghostly606]

Gold!

[@Nonjuror]

Cheers dude! 🍺🍺

[@timhartl4976]

Dope

[@Nonjuror]

Cheers man!

[@dj_enby]

These are so awesome! How in the fuck do you have so few viewers that’s bs honestly

[@Nonjuror]

hahaha thanks man, much appreciated!

[@amaineko9829]

Wow cool I want so much to get the sp aha. But i don’t know which one take the sx or the a ? What’s the difference ? Anyways very good vid i’ll watch definitely the others to get into it easier ! 🙏🏻

[@Nonjuror]

Thanks! Not much difference between the SX & A, I got the A coz I wanted to buy something new that could take a beating.

[@KeniSakuda]

Did you make the sp404 break chopping tutorial?

[@Nonjuror]

Yep yep, that’s a vid I’ve done

[@expansionclub]

5:05 Can someone explain to me how it's calculating the bpm of each chop? And why you need to make all of the bpms match, considering that they're clearly inaccurate?

[@expansionclub]

And after that, why do they then need to be stretched to the same tempo? The audio being played clearly won't be all in one uniform tempo anyway, so what's the function?

[@Nonjuror]

Yeah, it’s not the most intelligent system, it measures from the Start to End Marks of the chop and assumes it’s either 1 beat, 2 beats, 1 bar or 2 bars. Because what I was sampling was a live recording that slows down and speeds up in the small section I used, I wanted them all to be the same length so I could play each chop on the beat and fit perfectly together without gaps between samples. Hope that helps explain what I was thinking! Cheers!

[@expansionclub]

@@Nonjuror thanks for the response! That does make sense.

[@Nonjuror]

No worries, anytime!

[@graysonrussell8310]

Just got a sp-404sx, this is definitely going to up my game! Thank you! By the way what sample did you use?

[@Nonjuror]

Nice! I don’t remember specifically what that track was but the pianist is Oscar Peterson.

[@Tonsorial_E]

Do you tutorials for beginners

[@johnmichaelladera2588]

This is dope! This method can apply to sp 404 og?

[@Nonjuror]

Thanks man! Yeah, the workflow should be the same.

[@johnmichaelladera2588]

@@Nonjuror thanks for reply b.i Try to og 🙏

[@abdullalhazred3365]

except ... no copy ... so resample resample resample :-)

[@abdullalhazred3365]

I have a bizarre idea for trying to Copy on OG - start with empty Flash card and no samples at root folder. Sample your break then export that sample you want to copy. Now move to another bank and import sample function at that empty bank. It *should* import that sample (as it's the only one) and stop. Now do pad assignment exchange and put that imported sample (copy) to wherever you want. repeat and rinse. I hope to test this tomorrow.

[@AaronBLVCK]

What camera are you using for the Overhead angle ?

[@Nonjuror]

Sadly just an iPhone...I gotta step my DSLR game up!

[@PAraboliconly]

Wouldn't you want you sample in stereo and drums In mono?

[@Nonjuror]

Yep yep, for sure - that's definitely the ideal scenario for a more solid mix. With this flip, I wanted to boost the lows to add weight to the upright bass but in hte sample it's also panned hard right and having all the boosted lows panned hard to one side is something I wanted to avoid. Listening back to it now what I would do different is resample it two times: - One in stereo + isolator with the lows all the way down. - Then another in mono + isolator with just lows (mid/high all down). After that I would resample the two back together in stereo....so now the the piano is on the left, the upper freqs of the upright bass are on the right and the lows of the bass are in the center. Or maybe something similar with C Canceller...

[@PAraboliconly]

@@Nonjuror Got you. Dope beat though.

[@chrisgou123]

why resampling in mono

[@Nonjuror]

the upright bass is panned hard right in the original sample, I wanted the bass to be in the center.

[@chrisgou123]

@@Nonjuror thank you

[@cameronbutton5678]

Jesus Chris your poor pads

[@Nonjuror]

Haha yeh, that pad 9 got nuked. Have replaced them since....

[@cameronbutton5678]

@@Nonjuror nice I know you can get reinforced ones

[@Nonjuror]

I’m using the thick rubber pads from mpcstuff.com now, waaaaay easier on my knuckles when finger drumming.