Chris Bishop agrees Treaty Principles referendum 'would be divisive' | TVNZ Breakfast

Senior Labour MP Ginny Andersen has called the Treaty Principles Bill a waste of the Government's time given the prime minister says he won't be supporting it past the first reading.
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[@mikecranstoun2222]

Oh the irony.... A Labour MP concerned about the cost of a bill... why were you not screaming from the rooftop about the 50 million used to PLAN a cycleway .... or the 200+ million on rail ..... sit down hypocrite 🥱

[@roberthooker4970]

Have you seen Taipai and its cycleway? The ACT MP for Tamaki did on the taxpayer .

[@roberthooker4970]

C Bishop said it is good to send matters to select committees. So why did they not do this on matters passed under urgency?

[@mikecranstoun2222]

Haven't seen it, is it a cycle way that actually happened? Not like the 50 million Labour wasted planning the one on the Harbour bridge then canned it.... 🥱

[@pgreen8531]

Absolutely right

[@pgreen8531]

JENNY MAY IS NOTHING BUT A MAORI ACTIVIST DISGUISED AS JOURNALIST. SHE IS NEVER OBJECTIVE WHEN IT COMES TO MAORI BULLSHIT

[@overover..]

How did this level of bias ever become ok? Who ever asked for TVNZ and Labour vs National? Jenny May is so smug

[@warrenwatts7239]

Ginny... increased the police funding... not last year... you reduced it.

[@k1m625]

If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, that would have gotten you labeled a radical 60 years ago, a liberal 30 years ago and a racist today. Thomas Sowell

[@MediVacPack]

Rules, my guy there ain't never been rules and never will be. -commonsense

[@brettmumby932]

Criticism from possibly the most inept and hopeless minister of police in the history of this country. How rich.......

[@trihard3d]

Damn us wanting to all be equal citizens

[@roberthooker4970]

Equal in what ways?

[@philipwilliams6307]

​@roberthooker4970 every way that matters for fairness and equality

[@catherinevovna851]

We've never been equal

[@philipwilliams6307]

@@catherinevovna851 and clearly Maori never want to be either, but I guess when you see yourself as the superior race, why would you want to stoop down to the same level as the Pakeha.

[@moniquebode1655]

​@@catherinevovna851 Another professional victim???

[@cullenkehoe5184]

Please clarify that everyone has the same rights.

[@josephl9619]

please fire this host. I want my tax dollars going towards a nuetral media. She is an activist

[@Millektm]

Yep , she is a shocker as is Ginny Anderson !!

[@mrspecialk1234]

Yep, she is a netball player who ticked a few box’s and it shows….

[@judeclement2627]

Yes blatantly biased

[@chchwoman9960]

Homocide rate as high as the 1980s? I couldn't image that there were nearly as many murders in the 1980s as now

[@catherinevovna851]

You mean you want someone who agrees with you

[@brucesturgeon4801]

Good on you Chris Bishop level headed and respectful comment

[@mathew7835]

Although National will not support the Treaty Principles bill having a referendum, a citizen initiated referendum could be used instead.

[@Millektm]

Hope so !! Last poll 60% wanted it to go ahead !!

[@fu8713]

Y’all ain’t shiit nobody Just like your punk ass referendum DONT MEAN JACK SHIIT just like you Now go hunt some squirrels for tea now Billybob lol 😂

[@cyberfish6849]

@@Millektm Lets Rock!!

[@StGammon77]

And we will vote to put the Treaty into the relic box

[@gideonporter537]

@@StGammon77 If you think protests have been strong now, see what happens if you "put the Treaty into the relic box". You will need to double our police-force, prisons, and courts, and face civil unrest that would cripple the country - until you have imprisoned say 200,000 Maori. And who will pay for all that? Or your pensions when you reach 65 and 50% of the taxpayers would be non-European (Maori would be 150,000 - 200,000?)... oh and unemployed are about 1-2% (so what 50,000 max and only 25,000 Maori - the rest are others). We need unity (by honouring the agreements made under the Treaty) NOT divisiveness by effectively stripping Maori of their hope for firness and equity. Its a bit short-sighted surely?

[@HabitualFixation]

WASTE OF MONEY AND TIME. Get on with fixing inflation, housing education and our healthcare system. Talk about racist fixations

[@asha6822]

It would still cost less than what Labour paid to change all the govt departments into Maori names (millions) when there was no public mood to do so

[@moniquebode1655]

Labour wasted millions and millions of taxpayer money

[@urbanegorilla6005]

How do you divide a society that is already divided?

[@avasta8]

I can think of a worse situation that the country could be in and Act's prososal is not helping.

[@francisheperi4180]

@@avasta8 Oh, how so?

[@avasta8]

Did you seen the rebuttal and reception at Waitangi for a start? That will only worsen around the country which is why National is finally succumbing to the pressure.@@francisheperi4180

[@user-zk6nr3te2w]

Widen the divide and put stress and pressure on us all . It's coming

[@debbieyoude8425]

Isten to legacy media😊

[@roberthooker4970]

The principles are a way to understand the treaty. The courts have used them. So if words in principles change so does how the treaty is applied. C Bishop does not acknowledge this.

[@francisheperi4180]

Yeah nah

[@AAL3087]

Yes, it would seem the principles put forward don't change the Treaty but in substance effectively removes it and cancels any applicability. I had a read of ACTs website on it and it appear cherry pick the word and principles to support its belief, potentially mischaracterising what the Treaty says. Politicians will politic eh! It's good that its has brought up awareness and debate so as a nation we may improve our knowledge and understanding of things hopefully.

[@AccCam]

Wasting money on the Treaty Bill? Um Ginny, you wasted HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS on consultants for things that were never going to happen. How about the $50 million on a cycleway over the bridge that was never going to be made? And that is just one instance, add that to 6 years of similar instances. The Light Rail? $125 million wasn't it?

[@asha6822]

To not have a discussion on the issue is divisive. That's the whole reason there is public pressure to have it looked at. Us KIWIS who were born and bred here were never asked when the courts/activists took it upon themselves to define the principles and 'interpret' the treaty

[@J.Smith-rc6wh]

utterly gutless Chris Bishop, how small of you, this issue matters

[@ecosus2038]

exactly what i was thinking, come on national grow some balls like your treaty partners, coalition lol

[@DaHandDatFeeds]

Matters to like 7% of Aotearoa lol stop embarassing yourself

[@foardhook]

Why is everyone so fearful of a referendum? If the public as a whole disagree with it nothing changes. I say lets do it! Lets settle this forever. If the public support the bill then so be it. It called democracy. I don't think it is waste of money at all. I for one would most certainly support the bill so I want a referendum.

[@nzkiwiman]

all said and done let kiwi's vote on it

[@annemackay-ib4gy]

Come on jenny may show some unbiased professionalism iknow its a bigcall for you but try

[@kaeamatiaha4651]

I actually like the greater focus on victims. I think that is the area of the space that for too long has missed out largely. But just so long as much greater finances & resources are put into that that would be awesome. Thanks!

[@roberthooker4970]

It is ok for MPs to go to Northland but was the cost to the public purse? What benefit was there to the public purse?

[@francisheperi4180]

Yeah nah, I dunno

[@tdm8722]

@heathermason8743 why does that matter?

[@markolucas3632]

What is the cost $$$$$$$$ to taxpayers to produce Act's Treaty Principals Bill and then not progress past the first reading?

[@francisheperi4180]

I dunno yeah nah

[@bkldaskdfsjjdsa]

Whats the cost for not letting nzers have their voices heard? Need to go a vote

[@tdm8722]

Nothing, because it will only use Select Committee time and they were sitting anyways.

[@markolucas3632]

​@@tdm8722 Who is going to write the bill, are they doing it for love...

[@tdm8722]

@@markolucas3632 they do it because they love the bill and know it's the right thing to do

[@tiwanajatt4915]

It's very beautiful day

[@naske1763]

Assuming we trust the referendum and voting system 😂😂😂😂. Non Maori will be with Maori

[@KINNZ94]

Labour MP’s are so used to BS’ing front of the camera they don’t even know it is wrong. The system used to help offenders get lighter sentencing helps victims as well??? 😂

[@roberthooker4970]

What is the cost a select committee costs?

[@Millektm]

Probably a hell of a lot less than the 100's of millions handed out to maori over covid to get jabbed etc

[@nickc9404]

@@heathermason8743 he aint wrong tho ...

[@DaHandDatFeeds]

@@Millektm Are you comparing a national health initiative to Seymour's Treaty budget, but yet conceding that Seymour's divisiveness is a pointless waste of time? Interesting.

[@KINNZ94]

Don’t stop David! Go all the way!!! 🎉🎉🎉

[@KINNZ94]

None of the people I talk to are sick and tired of hearing about Treaty Bill. I think it is a much needed discussion.

[@PumpkinPie-fw9jr]

It's a nonsense bill that Act Party has no right to speak on, the treaty was not and should not have anyone's opinion about how to change it for anyone except maori and the crown . To keep putting your hand into maori agenda is simply because you want what maori have. Get off the band wagon you can't get what you don't own David Seymour tell everyone who is supporting your party It's the moneymaking land grabbing investors from overseas that do not care about Newzealand and therefore will continue to provide 💵 to these greedy mps who will sell us all out you mark my word's.

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

@rainofstars1 did you steal those emojis?

[@mcchoirboy]

He wasn't in government he was selling smokes

[@KINNZ94]

Point of still pushing with the Treaty Principles Bill is to get NZ people to think and discuss about this issue so that everyone is clear on this “founding document.” If enough people take interest and support this Bill, National has no choice but to support-although slightly embarrassed.

[@markolucas3632]

You fail to understand that nothing is broken here and that immigrants left their home countries to get away from top down, class monopolised countries! Māori welcomed you here.

[@KINNZ94]

@@markolucas3632 Mate, obviously, you don’t know me and things you mention about me are not correct. :) And it is the NZ government that granted me the citizenship here, not just Maori. When I say NZ Govt, it would include Maori I guess, if Maori are governed by NZ government as well. Just so I understand what it is that you envision, would you care to explain briefly how you think NZ should be governed? Thanks.

[@KINNZ94]

@@riverofstars8567 ok tell me what does the treaty say about how nz should operate today?

[@DaHandDatFeeds]

Ok so you can have a debate without creating "division" (I.E 7-15% vs the rest of the country). In terms of how the Treaty is meant to operate, how I see it is that governance should be a cohesive partnership. Consultation with local Iwi at a district level, consultation with Maori elected leaders at an executive level. The overall idea is to introduce and/or expand the scope of nuance in Governance. I.E - we can't keep doing the same tired generalist things over again in a cultural melting pot and expect changes to outcomes. Not sure if you've been paying attention, but the scope and performance of those services in relation to Maori are under a microscope due to historical statistics and research, and the fact that these outcomes haven't changed, mostly in-part to Maori having little-to-no consultation on policies and procedures despite being Sovereign as per Te Tiriti, is a failing of the Crown's obligations to the Treaty and has been a priority that Maori have been seeking to address themselves.

[@KINNZ94]

@@DaHandDatFeeds Hey, thanks for your comments and opinions. I might not agree, but I really respect the way you presented your points. My points below if you are interested. - Discussion or debate does not create division. If we were all in agreement already discussion would be over as soon as it starts confirming that there is no disagreement. What discussion does is make it apparent if we already have different opinions on the matter. Suppressing discussion in the name of political correctness will only widen the gap between the two schools. So I agree with David Seymour that we should have a discussion and encourage everyone to learn about and consider what the treaty really meant back then and how it should affect governance of NZ today. - I think it is important to acknowledge that the treaty was signed to make NZ a British colony. Not a document signed to establish NZ as a sovereign nation. I think calling the treaty our “founding document” is misleading in that sense. It is when NZ became a British colony, and the treaty outlines how the colony should be run. - I think NZ became a sovereign nation when it obtained legislative sovereignty in 1931. In my opinion, NZ as an autonomous, independent and sovereign nation was established in 1931. Just like US was established when they declared independence. Canada was established when their status changed from being a colony to an independent dominion. No one says US was established when they became British colony. NZ is the only one who says we were established when we became a British colony, and I don’t think that makes sense, and I think that’s the root of the problem. - I don’t think the treaty can function as a governing document of NZ now because it was a set of rules agreed between the natives and the coloniser to run a colony. When NZ became an independent nation, everyone in NZ became NZ citizens, including Maori, Pakeha, other races included. There is no longer a concept of between the two races because the two became one at that point. - If Maori people have an issue with the breach in the condition of the treaty of Waitangi during the time NZ was a colony, they should request reparations to the British government, the Queen. Not the current NZ government because the British government was the coloniser and the party to the treaty. NZ government was not a party to the treaty. - If Maori people have any claim that they were wronged after NZ became an independent nation, that should be tested against the NZ law at the time, not the treaty of Waitangi because at the time NZ was an independent nation, everyone is subject to the law of the nation. If there were specific clauses in the law at the time referring to the treaty of Waitangi, of course the clause should be observed and adhered to. These are my opinions based on facts I know. If anyone has other facts you would like to highlight or have different opinions, I am happy to hear.

[@hunha991]

The polls show that the people want the referendum. National will change their tune if it means they stay in government

[@MediVacPack]

Wont be long, davids probly going to have a stroke with all the nonstop back and forth this bill has stired. My guy be pushing his bill via auto tune next 🤣😂

[@DaHandDatFeeds]

🤣🤣🤣 He'd probably accompany it with a line dance too 😂

[@yngsantino2340]

Locking people up doesn’t help nobody . These people need help !!!

[@dash-kt7uf]

Ok then person that knows everything- what would you do for someone that murdered your whole family for example? Can’t wait to hear your response

[@SkullatorNZ]

Sometimes people need solitude and isolation to think things over without any possibility or risk of them committing more crimes, and I can assure you this does help you when the crime that person has committed was murder...

[@dash-kt7uf]

@@heathermason8743typical leftie - can’t answer a question and deflects - that is manipulation 101. Answer the question please.

[@moniquebode1655]

It sounds out a very clear boundary. You break the Law expect to be punished

[@yngsantino2340]

@@dash-kt7uf well if someone were to kill a whole family than clearly he must have some mental disabilitys n like I said if people were to be getting the help they needed before hand , things like that wouldn’t happen. Instead we have a system in place tht contributes to the cycle of criminality going on in this world .

[@tigertiger1699]

A sly way of starting something

[@RogueEagle]

Oh great, a bully and a sellout.

[@toshadavinci5379]

Ginny looks rather stressed these days

[@darrinelford1473]

No one should get special or preferential treatment because of their cultural background. Every one gets treated equally

[@josephjamesrollo9826]

We billed the crown for colonisation

[@MediVacPack]

Dam where's my "Special preferential treatment?" Oh that's right it doesn't exist. My fellow NewZealanders are just having a tantrum because mother queen apologised 🫤🤣

[@PumpkinPie-fw9jr]

No one is getting special or perferential treatment @darrinelford1473! if you think maori are getting more prove it because I can't see any difference.

[@MediVacPack]

@@PumpkinPie-fw9jr good day to you sir ☺️💚🪖

[@catherinevovna851]

Noone has ever been treated equally by race

[@VikingZ-xo6mp]

100% correct Chris Bishop🍷. Wrong it happened under labour . Yet they try to put blame on Nat's now.

[@mcchoirboy]

If you can't won't or don't do a cultural assessment it's not a proper assessment.

[@DaHandDatFeeds]

Where's the referendum and polls on whether the general population in Aotearoa actually want ACT in this Coalition? Seems like that'd be a better use of taxpayer money.

[@roberthooker4970]

What is the cost of drafting a bill for first reading? What is the cost debating a bill in the first reading?

[@PumpkinPie-fw9jr]

A darn waste of tax payers money especially if it has no purpose but cause a huge waste of time and money

[@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj]

Jenny May. Are you going to stand for the Labour Party in the next election ?

[@vickvee8973]

Bloody shame

[@PumpkinPie-fw9jr]

Touch nothing

[@roberthooker4970]

NZ First and Labour 3 years then Labour 3 years. So there were two governments.

[@Moamanly]

'would be devise' wtf? Can't people even speak English any more?

[@fu8713]

Forget those reoffenders waste time and money on trash! Get our lands back ✊✊

[@voodoox6112]

There are pockets of successful partnerships between tau iwi and Maori. Te Tiriti can work but to have informed debate we need to educate NZ on our history and the effects of generational trauma. Comments about Maori privilege and Maori elite are ignorant and arrogant. We need to understand our past to heal and move forward. Racism against Maori is rife in NZ. My experiences of racism were awful. It’s heartbreaking to see my son and grandson experience the same. The only difference is they weren’t hit at school like I was starting at age 6. My son earned his place at university thru hard work but the level of racism he encountered in his health degree was vicious. He left NZ and is highly successful in his field judged on his character, skill and knowledge. He has experienced no racism overseas and will not return to NZ. Then there’s my grandson’s experiences of racism. We have a long way to go before Maori are equal citizens in NZ.

[@kenhorlor5674]

History is no longer taken seriously at schools.

[@J.Smith-rc6wh]

tell that to my Brother who lost part of the farm his family have run for ninety years to Ngai Tahu, he had no right to appear in court, no right to provide any information on the ongoing feasability of his farm at a reduced size, and all proceedings were paid for by the taxpayer. absolute disgrace. The land is now not used, is a breeding ground for stoats and weasels he now has to control for, and beside the property is 110,000 nesting birds preyed on by these predators. Tell that to My niece who missed out on med school to make places for maori students with lower grades. That is just two examples from my own family of racial priveledge (apartied) at work in modern NZ. These two examples are not people facing tough words, these are examples of people missing out and having land taken from them.

[@J.Smith-rc6wh]

I love this country and just want one rule for all with race having no place in anything, and I do not accept that maori have any special rights under a treaty that was removed from law 20 years after it was signed, and returned to law at the same time as the racial divide appeared in NZ again. "Same rights and duties", everyone the same, no special treatment. We are a multi race country, every one the same.

[@kitty2527]

I am sorry about your son and grandson experience, history is important and efforts to move forward is important. There needs to be workability, hence a progressive mind is needed to have a united NZ. I forsee once Australian leaves the Crown, NZ will follow as well and it may not be a bad idea to start on a clean slate, many countries have done that when they broke off from the Crown.

[@AAL3087]

@@J.Smith-rc6wh That really is not great. I guess, you could flip that and say that was also the experience of Ngai Tahu, with regards to the land at least? But I guess I understand how you feel. Zooming out across the history, not just recent history, may provide context to explain things (not saying it is a great outcome for you) but it has happened for what i'mguessing are breaches of treaty by the crown. So in part, they also carry the blame, not Ngai Tahu. Complicated. And potentially the inequity it has created feeds into perhaps the med school policies? Thanks for sharing.

[@margaretpowell5447]

He is such a drip. Blame blame blame.

[@PumpkinPie-fw9jr]

Doesn't sound like anything new national party what a joke

[@overover..]

The point, lady, is that 75% of people want this debate. You and and One News cannot stop this

[@catherinevovna851]

That's not true. International Treaty law wins over racist opinions

[@ohnean1]

Bishops annoying giggle each time he gets a tricky question gets more annoying while he giggles off his answer

[@sonyavincent7450]

He's immensely annoying.

[@markwoods1161]

National are very short sighted. We have the second highest incarceration rate in the western world, costing Aotearoa New Zealand $190,000 per person a year to be in prison.

[@lliamjurdom9505]

Very divisive ... who needs that ... let Seymour bleat on, but National has spent the biggest part of its history working as a partnership.

[@warrenmartin2982]

What's your agenda? Try to keep talking about Waitangi sort out immigration and increasing gang numbers

[@tahsinaaron5563]

New Zealanders are also grateful for your kind support & protection for all. 😊

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

@rainofstars1 no you didn't lol you killed them while they protected you from other tribes.

[@roberthooker4970]

27 Nov to 7 Feb is 77 days.

[@gaius_enceladus]

Bishop is wrong. NOT holding the referendum would be divisive! ACT are letting people have their say in the referendum (and that's awesome!). *No-one* was consulted about the so-called "Principles" that were rammed through in the '90s, which were completely waffly. All ACT is doing is *fixing* that mess and defining things clearly. As someone with a science degree, having clear and precise definitions is excellent!

[@catherinevovna851]

No

[@stretch4130]

Abolish the treaty totally. Maori arnt indigenous to nz even the govts own website states they came from Hawaikii make them pay back all the millions they have got from land claims.

[@catherinevovna851]

Your ignorance is embarrassing

[@darrinelford1473]

I actually support tearing up the treaty completely. We are all kiwis

[@reginaldsutherland8066]

This proposal is a gentle way of doing just that.

[@darrinelford1473]

@@reginaldsutherland8066 no need to be gentle. Just come out and say it

[@catherinevovna851]

Indigenous rights matter

[@tahanaparker2660]

If your not Native / indigenous/ tangata whenua then your a immigrant, two different groups /race/culture/people. The old saying FAFO ❤. Civil War knocking on ya door .

[@DaHandDatFeeds]

After the Crown eventually meets its obligations (probably two decades or more away) this conversation might be more relevant. Otherwise deal with it.

[@tangihorofitzgerald915]

Genesis... Kenehi... Chpt 1: Vs 1…. "IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE "😢 WORD". "I TE TIMATANGA, TE KUPU" And the WORD WAS WITH GOD..And the WORD WAS GOD IN THE BEGINNING. GOD provided every Nation with a REO. AOTEAROA means Land Of The LOooNG WHITE CLOUD. The British Crown was over the moon at the very thought of its Subjects being accorded the privilege of Settling in this brand new squeeky clean whenua called Aotearoa (land of The Long White Cloud) Treaties are binding PROMISES by the WORD of GOD. Te Tiriti O Waitangi is Built on that most important Commandment; To Love Thy Neighbour As Thysellf.

[@Te_Enzo_]

As a Māori, I know its not National creating the Issues... So my Issue ant them, its Act and Winnie the Pooh....

[@jackohere1878]

Fair enough but Nats are allowing this to happen which is a sign of weakness. Seymour and Winnie won the post election negotiations that is clear

[@Te_Enzo_]

@jackohere1878 Yeah but remember in this situation, he had to agree to make government.. I understand your Kōrero, but remember that we have to listen to the words...

[@jackohere1878]

@@Te_Enzo_ It is a fault of MMP that parties with less than 10% of the vote can and do gain powerful positions which gives them power far beyond their electoral numbers .Sadly neither of the major parties have the spine to risk not giving into them in order to gain the govt benches. Winnie and Seymour won the post election negotiations by quite a distance of that there is little doubt. No one HAS to agree to anything just form a Govt.Luxon and co lacked the skills to kill this stupid divisive "treaty referendum" before forming a govt.

[@francisheperi4180]

Yeah nah

[@mrspecialk1234]

“As a Maori”….what makes one a Maori these days?….plenty of Europeans with a small percentage of Maori out there calling themselves Maori….it’s a grift

[@vickvee8973]

Nz is not nz its maoris only land it seems poor all.og us non maotis

[@duncanrepia4461]

Poverty creates crime

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

Wrong, it's exactly the opposite.

[@duncanrepia4461]

@@AmonAnon-vw3hr open your eyes it's all around you look past your nose

[@merehemana1504]

Racist ballhead

[@dash-kt7uf]

Get an education and lay of the pipe dude

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

Typical racist response from a fool who can only survive because of systems created by those "ballheads" lol

[@deantairi8357]

Yeah go David and see what happens to act

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

Going up in the public polls so far.

[@deantairi8357]

doesnt matter how high the poles go an agreement by two parties can only be amended by both parties thats the law governed by the new zealand government@@AmonAnon-vw3hr

[@deantairi8357]

polls can go as high as they like maori have a contract with the new zealand government for the loss of confiscated land end of story@@AmonAnon-vw3hr

[@bobboris3528]

the neglect the fact that not having a debate and referendum and continue with this special privilidges for maori is also devisive... more so then a referendum.

[@francisheperi4180]

Maori will not trust the White man ever again after the many land grabs. So, by all means, debate all you like.

[@josephjamesrollo9826]

Poor Bob

[@bobboris3528]

@@josephjamesrollo9826 poor low iq muppets that believe the treaty and co gov is a good thing. pathetic lefty activists are first to scream about having democracy but next breath they scream for the installment of unelected grifters and con men. its amazing the mental gymnastics required for many "maori" to think that 70-99% of their dna is responsible for the bad things that happen in their life or that they should get special privilidges due to having a tiny percentage of special blood. get farked, what a load of bollocks. the treaty has nothing to do with nz in 2024 or its citizens, its an historic document abused by grifters, thieves and down right shitty people to bully the majority into funding their lifestyle

[@woofwoof9647]

Referendum NOW 😡 🐾🐾

[@josephjamesrollo9826]

@@woofwoof9647 wouldn't you prefer a bone