CHRIS HARRIS - Building the E30 M3 Rally Car

[@PasiX2]

I feel pretty bad for Chris and all the guys that put so much effort into these videos.. and now those vids are simply ruined because not everyone (including me) can enjoy the full experience. :( Anyway... I neither vote up nor down... I like to remain neutral.

[@846524162]

Forcing this Drive+ will get you far.... indeed. I wonder what Leo Parente thinks about this stupid dumb idiotic move, he never holds back.

[@bagnatofurniture388]

I would pay $20 a month easily to have a channel with all Chris Harris shows...the guy is just fantastic...that is all!

[@MrAeroHD]

Instead of being upset you can't pull enough views to get the adsense you desire, why don't you start making better stuff instead of just bait and switching people to subscribe to Drive +?

[@steelbluesleepR]

Because that isn't how it worked with drive. They had a contract with Google to make content for X dollars and Google would get all of the advertising dollars. That deal ended in January, leaving them with no budget. + is the only way they can continue making films. $4 a month is a pitiful thing to bitch about.

[@MrAeroHD]

Jayson Carey 4/month is a low number, but compare that with Netflix. I pay 7.99 a month for netflix and I can get WAY more content there vs 4+tax for Drive +. And that's not even the point. Offer the WHOLE show on Drive +, not a "teaser" on normal drive to try and bait people into buying the subscription. And I'm a partner too. I know how little you get paid. BUT, if they're running ads on normal drive they're still gaining revenue whether that be from Google contract or not.

[@Mr2sauce]

***** Netflix is mostly "used" content. It's pretty hard to compare with it on a value basis

[@MrAeroHD]

Corey Z Not really. I find new shows to watch on Netflix all the time. I still don't think the money is the issue, it's moreso the bait and switch thing

[@Mr2sauce]

Are those shows Netflix exclusive? They only recently got exclusive shows after they had a big enough user base to support it.

[@robstruthers9040]

so Drive has basically just become trailers / adverts for Drive+ content

[@manuelhermidarodriguez4391]

Well done Chris! you will no doubt enjoy it ... For those too young or just not well informed: BMW E30 M3 Prodrive Gr.A rallye car was the last rear wheel drive to win a WRC event against 4-wheel drive competitors. The Gr.A track version is the most successful touring racecar ever winning +50 national and international Motorsport Championships from 1987 through 1992. Most reknown 24h Nurburgring (3 times), 24h Spa (3 times), DTM (2 times). There are still today BMW E30 M3 winning in Hillclimbing, rallye and track events. The thrill of driving it to the limit is inmense. Developing the skills required to do so properly is a challenge which becames addictive. Take all the technological driver control interference out such as 4-wheel drive, 4-wheel steering, electronic differentials, electromagnetic shocks, variable ratio steering, etc ... and what you are left with is pure sensory overload. Carbon fiber airbox makes for an epic soundtrack. Forgot to mention I own a Gr.A replica I race ....

[@Warnster19]

Drive+. Like fuck I'm paying for that.

[@sethmo38]

Chris Harris, drop Drive, start your own channel/company. People only subscribe to Drive because of you!

[@ThisIsMTH]

Another waste of 3 minutes? Bye bye, Chris. Unsubscribed, nice watching you.

[@saegederouck]

He has his own channel now. Go check it out ;)

[@Loafy23]

I used to get so excited for a Chris Harris video... :(

[@tasmith147]

I was just hatching out a plan last month to build an e30 rally machine...thanks for the inspiration and all the Best!

[@82coxy]

This channel is now officially a joke.

[@MrAeroHD]

Yup.

[@AdamEronenPiper]

***** Mr Aero, my hero! I concur.

[@82coxy]

nutsackmania Who took a shit in your coffee this morning? Don't take it out on me because you had a shitty cup of coffee.

[@adrianamler1798]

The lack of a transition to Drive+(at first featuring in depth and added content for +, and maybe a bit shorter but full content videos for the normal channel at the start) and making it feel more like a punishment for those not subscribing is a major turnoff to many it seems.

[@eberbacher007]

Aye, in the beginning it was like "an the rest of you, will get the shorter version on youtube" but right now its basically "and the plebs can watch the trailer and imagine the rest"

[@HerbaceousM8]

eberbacher007 sources tell me we didnt miss much, the car breaks down and he talks about it breaking down. its a waste of money for the full thing anyways

[@CodyYankey]

As of writing this, the full length video on Drive+ has just about 7k views. So that means that 7k people have kept their subscription. So that's (7,000 * $4) = $28,000 dollars this month. Sounds like they may be onto something to me. Although I bet it's an expensive thing to produce all these films. I'll continue to support the guys at Drive, it's really quality work, and that costs money.

[@drive]

Thank you. It's quite expensive, unfortunately.

[@altern8ive]

/DRIVE if the figures mentioned add up and when the NBC dollars start rolling on a regular basis is there any chance of setting aside a little of the proceeds to subsidise occasional full length uploads here instead of teasers that completely isolate and annoy your fanbase, ie those who subscribed and helped raise the channel's high profile and on whose viewing figures and 'likes' NBC probably based their offer of air time?

[@autotalon]

altern8ive I agree with this as well. I have very little income, and I'd agree if you wanted to put some videos up that are for your paid subscribers, but taking ALL of your videos and making them subscription only makes me really sad. When I can afford this I'll definitely consider it, but for now I cant afford to pay for something like that.

[@itsFisch]

Except it ain't in my country. So whatever.

[@ahmadzikri9982]

When I got /Drive+ this is the first video I'm going to watch. Because rally and Chris Harris, so yeah.

[@tagerung90]

if I wasn't on a 40 hour school week I'd subscribe, but for now I'm almost happy that my viewing time is limited.. back to the books.

[@wernerfischeriv]

We want to see everything your doing not just glimpses and you talking about it... But still love you Chris!

[@paintballguy113]

Looks like so much fun! Keep up the good work guys!

[@786carrera]

Awesome Video!

[@therionkp36]

Remember when /DRIVE used to upload videos daily? Including ride apart? those were the good days. I would definitely pay if the programming was as good as before.

[@jamesondahn]

This video.....LOVED IT!!! The car, the sport, the camaraderie! No clue why I read comments to awesome KZbin content. Just affirms my feelings that all the loudest humans are my least favorite.

[@Vega898]

Big fan of Drive & Crhis Harris.... up until now that is! Off to Evo for full content

[@kilianprendergast948]

More of this please love to follow your adventures in rally

[@HighMagnitudeGT]

Please find another way to make money besides Drive+. Thank you. -Dan

[@eberbacher007]

Aye I´m still waiting for them to use something like patreon or other support systems, where people can sign up to gift X money per month. But i also don´t know how much overhead they have, so I won´t complain too loud ;)

[@HighMagnitudeGT]

***** I don't like putting my credit card on the internet.

[@GODOFGUITAR2112]

***** Where do you live were its $1.00? It's $4.00 for me in the US

[@HighMagnitudeGT]

***** whatever.

[@TalSarig24]

We can't even subscribe here, in most unknown countires like Africa and Israel, etc.

[@JerryNeutron]

All dem rocks! I was thinking R.I.P. to the body panels the whole time and then you 1 UP'd me by destroying the front bumper in the end

[@kgagedoh]

Awesome vid! Sorry bout the crash.

[@velikibosanac]

To start off, I must give credit where it's needed: Chris, you are doing a great job! Love the show and I follow it on the (your) schedule ;) Since I am a e30 driver, I was intrigued by the clip and my thoughts are that you REALLY need to do a followup episode on the /DRIVE channel about the car, the build, the obstacles you had to overcome and the testing/fine-tuning. Now I see that a lot of the viewers are voting this vide down and unsubscribing...and now I see that you are creating a pay-channel. That's all fine and well (I have a degree in economics-management, and I understand the need for income), but you are cutting out a huge part of your market with this move. Countries without US broadcast will leave your show and find a new channel to fulfill their needs, thereby reducing your subscriptions and views rates on /DRIVE...and sincerely I would hate for that to happen. Think outside the box, you have other ways to earn money that are more profitable then a pay-channel that is restricted to the US. An increase in views on the channel by a marketing push on social media networks - for example using the shows on the channel to start contests and giveaways that require people to follow several episodes in a row to be able to win some prizes (key-chains, t-shirts, pens, hats/caps, etc.), and make it worldwide so that people from other continents can compete and then announce the winners on the social media so that everyone can see them (the cost of sending a key-chain or some other misc. advertising material around the globe in a "bigger" letter is negligible to the increase in views). The ideas that can help the company make profits without resorting to limitations of audiences and overall loss are endless, and I think you should try out different marketing approaches before taking such radical measures. ... Anyway, I hope you figure it out, I really do, and it's not a bad idea to ask the community for opinions before making decisions that affect them. But as for me, I will continue to follow you faithfully for as long as it is possible ;) Best of wishes Kenan PS. Sorry for any grammar issues, I do speak a few languages, but I am not native to English :)

[@toconnx]

Well said, I also support these guys generating more income and I think a lot of viewers fail to realize how much time and money go into creating these videos. We all appreciate the quality, but once you step back and realize that these guys have to pay for professional equipment, behind-the-camera staff members, studio time, travel costs to filming locations, etc... the cost of quality adds up quickly. When you take into account that most of their videos have less than 1million views, you start to wonder how they manage to break even... so while I support them finding ways to increase their revenues, I think they've gone about it all wrong. I think the "correct" way to do this is to continue offering the same Drive programming for free, just as always, but to add additional footage and bonus material as Drive+ content. It seems to me that they've started charging money for the same old Drive programming, and now what I'm offered for free is a teaser / advertisement. It's like the classic case of the drug dealer getting his customers hooked on the product for free, then starting to charge. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and it appears many members of the community agree, even if they're immature in expressing it. As long as they're going to serve their subscribers a hot slap across the face, I'm not going to give them my money.

[@lordzevallos]

Trust me. The drive + full version of this video is worth it.

[@Wrchd]

Thanks for sharing!

[@sabotshell]

Man, I would really love to watch the rest of this. Oh well.

[@Dgannt]

Nice driving. But shows as you say that you are not a natural rally driver (those start driving on the gravel roads in the woods at the age of 12-13). You use the steering too much for turning where as rally drivers use the gas and tail slides as much, if not more, to turn the car. But you definitely are a talented person to master so many different types of driving and racing. Always nice to see your videos.

[@pretty00lights]

The only reason I am subscribed to this sorry channel is to see when a new video comes out so I can download it from piratebay. /Drive is dead. Thanks for the backstab at all the loyal fans.

[@FizzyMotors]

I have been watching Drive since their first episode, and watched nearly every video you guys posted. Thank you guys for producing such great content at such a fast rate. But please quickly find a way to let fans like me who are outside of the US watch your videos! Money is not an issue here, it's the fact that I cannot do anything to watch your videos. Frankly, I am quite disappointed that you guys did not plan for this when you switched to Drive+. If you really did care about us, you would've sorted this out before you moved over. Please get your shit together, I really want to watch more awesome videos by you guys.

[@QuattroRMT]

I miss the days when Chris Harris was on every Wendsday... :(

[@rishik4596]

that is one sweet e30 m3 rally car!

[@DanGleesach]

I've always loved /DRIVE and all its content, and don't get me wrong I appreciate all the hard work, effort, time, and money that go into making them. But I just dont want to pay for youtube, im sorry /DRIVE, I will always love you

[@lilnoomi]

Why on earth is /Drive+ not available for international viewers ?

[@drive]

A lot of countries haven't authorized premium streaming video. But we're fine-tuning an alternative solution right now. Literally, right now.

[@RC-wb6gv]

/DRIVE ...good luck with that

[@lilnoomi]

Oh okay, thanks !

[@seanxu8483]

I used to love the DRIVE channel.....

[@TheTime623]

Got so excited seeing another video in this series. Then I realized I couldnt fucking watch it. Thanks drive, real nice thinking there.

[@garberwarren]

I would have been much LOUDER! At least no one but the car was hurt. Back to building I guess. I always look forward to the next video. Thanks

[@celonman]

chris harris should make his own youtube channel

[@jeremyj.5687]

Anyone remember the "We´ll get Drive+ to Germany over the course of next week and if it´s the last thing we do"-video? That was three weeks ago. And it was never heard of ever again. Do you understand: I want to give you money, but you are unable to deliver. There is money right here, you just need to pick it up, whenever´s convenient I guess.

[@drive]

It's still working. A lot more work goes into moving this much data to something new. There's more than one person involved and everyone has to be on the same page.

[@jeremyj.5687]

/DRIVE I interpret this as "We have chosen a platform we think is right for us and are currently negotiating/uploading." Correct? If so, can you share what platform that would be at this time, or is it too early to anounce that?

[@drive]

Can neither confirm, nor deny.

[@ThEtEcHnOsAm]

Didn't know you where at the NG stages, wish I had a chance to come say Hi, we made the journey down from Scotland with a van that kept going into limp mode (Took about 8 and a bit hours in the end) as I was lucky enough to get to service for a yellow MK1 Astra (But the car was retired the stage before service unfortunately) but it was the best experience of my life! Also didn't expect to see a Lotus rallying.

[@kennethlarsson1499]

I cant give you my 4 dollars to watch your show since you havent made that option available in Sweden yet. So this is either: a) Your way of getting rid of your subscribers outside of the US. b) Your way of showing that you dont care about your viewers outside of the US. c) Just a piss poor way of making money that probably will fail. Come on guys.. It's such a turn off, I think I'll have to watch something else on KZbin while I take a dump from now on.

[@drive]

KennethLarsson We absolutely don't want to "get rid" of subscribers outside the US. What would be the point of that? We didn't expect or predict this many problems with YT+, that's all. Every fan is created equal and has equal value. We will make it right, that's why our robot is awake right now.

[@sebastianfey8687]

/DRIVE Sounds a bit strange to me personally that you did not expect these problems... I dont think i can remember ONE single site/venture/company where paid! media content was available globally in a short matter of time ( 1-2 weeks... Its the internet you know, things are fast....) Even google struggled for a while with their play music all inclusive jazz and its no where near completed yet. So either, you as DRIVE network started this yt+ project without thinking about it, or you took the risk of scaring away your numerous non-us viewers. Since the latter option would make no sense to any businessman it seems to me like you were loured into this yt+ idea for money fame and the lot without thinking.. :( its a shame.

[@drive]

We're not trying to get rid of anyone, we're trying to keep the store open.

[@prestonsandoval133]

/DRIVE u guys should visit az rally club in Tuscan someday

[@abivaanenopi]

It is crazy how you turned your succesful channel upside down...

[@MrGlennB]

The whole idea of KZbin is, that KZbin itself pays money for video's that do well. I can't imagine Drive+ being more profitable when I see all the comments.

[@badcookie13]

The sound of the E30 M3

[@FastLead]

I really want to watch this on Drive+ but...well, it's not available in my country. I lost a great automotive show...I guess it's time to move on and look for something new. Good luck to all guys @ Drive Network. I hope all this pays off for you.

[@SeanHorvath]

well now everyone knows why you need money now

[@thecoolesteva6]

sick car.

[@DanMcBoost]

Well, there goes another good video club. I am not watching anymore. RIP.

[@KJMTurbo]

Are you kidding me?! You've got enough money to destroy E30 M3's and daily drive supercars, but I'm the tight one for not wanting to pay for a previously free and wonderful service, when I can't even afford to have a sub £1,000 car on the road. To Chris Harris, Perhaps you're just a pawn in all this, but I had so much respect for your opinion and content. This is all such a shame as it was going so well.

[@drive]

Chris' private funds don't interact with the company's finances.

[@KJMTurbo]

So he isn't already being paid handsomely by you to be able to afford to do these things. . . Meaning you were already making enough money with the old format, surely?

[@h.mushmann2351]

Need to tighten up that rear end. It'll make the oversteer more gradual, thus prevent mid corner push on throttle. Hope it was just bumper damage and no trans/diff damage from crossing that dirt mound.

[@s1ky19]

i don't know what /drive is thinking but i'm not sponsoring this bs. chris harris is the only entertaining person in the entire group anyway.

[@PatSoFancy]

Feels so short :( what happened to the old videos?

[@MrRaulCRosado]

Hey Chris, Is there anything that you could have done to protect the bottom of the car?

[@cwmclydsdaleify]

That's what you get for launching drive+

[@RoelfvanderMerwe]

Fuck Drive+!!! I want good old Drive back!

[@rjs15570]

Chris, no doubt you are a great driver and share the passion in driving a multitude of us been born with, unfortunately, the episode is only a teaser look at your world. I understand that it's not your show, but at some point you have to realize you are missing the mark. I suggest maybe give us an abridged completed episode with the extras available on the plus channel. Otherwise, it is like walking up to your favorite car and never driving it, senseless.

[@howerover]

how to watch the full video? there are no buttons or links.

[@baloonia1]

I feel bad for Chris as for the Drive+ debate I would say that people feel robbed with the less content over the regular channel. What I would have done is keep this format with 10 minutes and make it like 30-50 minutes on the Drive+ Channel because then it feels like you are getting more for your money. It show's that you guys have no marketing sense. Also add more solutions to get more money like Patreon or similar. I get it, you need more money to keep the great content flowing regularly and you have to feed your families but this is not a good solution so please listen. People will always find ways to bypass the payment like Piracy or they will find the videos on other sites for free.

[@simonhutton4430]

Why did it understeer then? Was it under braking? I have to know please so I can learn.

[@jerri0401]

Dailymotion. com , my hero

[@guaripolo69]

so happy that chris is leaving drive, and it's failure of plus. chris Harris on cars free again!! fuck yeah!

[@ThePieman911]

I think it's funny how everyone come to complain about these like they're forced to watch them

[@d1sturb3d119]

Just as a heads up guys. Economics 101. People either want a lot of media dirt cheap like netflix. Or something tangible for a price. Merchandising is slower but would get you the revenue needed to survive. That also might be a viable option. Get it made for cheap somewhere or have the facilities to produce said merchandise for cheap and sell well over cost.

[@xaufojjj]

Where is the clip when he was building? :)

[@MrNinehunid]

The final nail in the coffin. Drive can't honestly expect people to want to pay after providing such quality content for free. I understand the need to keep the doors open, but the way they moved to drive + abruptly was a case of very bad timing. there is no way this business model will prosper with the current public backlash. Which is such a hummer because these have been such a good entertaining series in every program drive provided. I wish matt, leo, Chris and everyone involved the best. But I cannot deem it viable to pay for your programming at this point.

[@W4RY3NTRY]

I don't care if it's 4 dollars a month I'm not gonna buy something that was originally free cuz people are so impatient and they can't wait five seconds to skip a fucking advertisement!

[@aethrus]

I want that international fix so bad! Do you have any type of update on that? Info is two weeks overdue. I want to see the rest of this :)

[@RazvanRO]

WHY OH WHY is Chris only making 3 min long clips? The only reason 80% of people (at least from Europe) subscribed to this channel is to hear more from him. give him at least 15 minutes, although i could listen to him for hours.

[@GidionPrimo]

Drive plus..plus...plus...plus.. = no thanks

[@_chipchip]

Look at all the people that can't afford $3.

[@alvindiaz8088]

When will /DRIVE post the NBC sports shows???

[@drive]

Soon as they give us the go ahead.

[@blazerbomb1]

I am going to miss having Drive and Chris in my life! I can admit I am too cheap to pay for the channel :P Its a shame on both sides, really.

[@TwistedLifestyle]

Funny how the drive members no longer wear their expensive timepieces since the return and punting drive+. Pleading poverty? Fact is there are multiple ways to generate income and this is not the only method. I have a feeling the original people behind the channel and platform have a hand in this too.

[@robm425]

Chris had his own money well before Drive, and Matt's family is independently wealthy. So thats why they had the nice watches.

[@yaboierv8053]

I'd like to see a video on Renault Clio v6 very interested in the car. Would like to know more.

[@ZepG]

I loved watching Chris Harris reviews on /drive, but I feel that he sold us out for the money not the love of cars. RIP to the good old days. Oh I forgot to say I'm unsubscribing.

[@ThatGuy-xd5fs]

the fun begins. have cameras when more damage is dealt please

[@SuperReachfreak]

Wait why don't people like this video? Wtf

[@motocrazy2012]

was that sweet lamb where they were testing i recognise some places

[@x1geostigma]

almost had it. but, damn....that was really cool.

[@tiagopadua]

I love Chris Harris's videos and would gladly subscribe to his videos. But I won't subscribe to /Drive+ because my money would go to a lot of other videos I dislike. Anyway, I think the value is a bit high. See, I'm subscribed to a lot of channels on youtube. If more of the channels start charging this kind of money, I'll soon have hundreds of dollars bill every month. Not cool.

[@sf98321]

I don't understand all of this negativity why can't you people understand that your getting the best automotive show on youtube, I love drives old stuff and especially chris harris on cars but if that means I have to pay $4 I guess I'll do it I mean Jesus Netflix is $8 and next year $9 ,so honestly I feel like anyone who wants to criticize can go fuck off and watch motor trend. But if anyone from drive sees this I think you guys are great and keep doing what you do making amazing videos

[@Verybadbiker]

I wouldn't be forced to pirate it if it was available in my country :(

[@HD2512DK]

How could you do that to a LHD E30 M3? I can't find any to race

[@VICARI0S]

What's the yellow strip on the top of the steering wheel for?

[@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X]

To see when the steering is centred.

[@DJzSith]

If this ends with watch the rest of the video on Drive+, I will fucking brake something.

[@mrtumytums]

Now this looks like a good video I'd subscribe for if it does talk about the build alot

[@EminTahirov]

Ho Ho to the pirate bay!

[@rnburley]

you see what happens when you get greedy, you crash. lmao

[@traxnada]

I love how people complain and mention Evo that provides with "free" videos for exemple... But Evo's video are the same length as /DRIVE's trailers lol...

[@creamtube]

Hate to say this but: Anyone know where to watch the master, Chris Harris, and these vids for free? Streetfire, vimeo etc?

[@deanbean6920]

I love Chris Harris, Im so sad this happened

[@schubcars100]

What I would like to know, since Drive+ is not available in my country, how many people are actually paying for it?

[@vivalaphill]

Understeer is when the driver is scared, oversteer is when the co-pilot is scared. ~Walter Roehrl

[@Garagerat.]

oh come oooon!!!! fuck that i aint gonna pay for youtube videos!

[@Darwins_Fink]

Why is it that 99% of youtube channels earn enough money, but you guys just had to be greedyand introduce DRIVE+?

[@goreddragon1]

That escalated quickly. Sorry Chris, hope you get her up and running again soon.

[@speedsociety9177]

Complain about DRIVE+ all you want people, but promoting and spreading pirated content in the comments of DRIVE ? Thats pathetic, please stay classy with your criticism.

[@HerbaceousM8]

i agree with this. people need to just walk away or suck it up when a channel does this sort of thing.