Chris Harris on... the Porsche Taycan | Top Gear: Series 28

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@rohaniyer7589
@rohaniyer7589 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Harris is one of the only sane automotive journalists.
@lee2217
@lee2217 4 жыл бұрын
He's holding top gear together just now He's a, great presenter you can see his pasion in every interview
@davidstuart4915
@davidstuart4915 4 жыл бұрын
indeed,,,you dont need more - he can drive - he is sincere - he has a pleasant personality :) - Tiff can be more entertaining..?
@lee2217
@lee2217 4 жыл бұрын
@@davidstuart4915 Tiff was great aswell
@iamLODD
@iamLODD 4 жыл бұрын
Will Roberts I agree with you, sir. Henry Catchpole Carfection videos are absolutely stunning.
@Sabat1
@Sabat1 4 жыл бұрын
and Clarkson to be honest. If you can go through a mist of his ignorance you will actually see it
@kengrand5445
@kengrand5445 4 жыл бұрын
Wonder if they pay Chris enough...he's basically topgear's last hope
@dghost198
@dghost198 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure he owns a Ferrari
@kengrand5445
@kengrand5445 4 жыл бұрын
@@dghost198 which one
@deborahdiperna2451
@deborahdiperna2451 4 жыл бұрын
Even when he wasn't with top gear he owned a ff and other super cars just from money from /drive.
@LivingLifeSlower
@LivingLifeSlower 4 жыл бұрын
As long as people keep paying their license fee, top gear will survive.
@paulstandeven8572
@paulstandeven8572 4 жыл бұрын
@@dghost198 I know he has an early Citroen 2CV
@DoubleDeckerAnton
@DoubleDeckerAnton 4 жыл бұрын
Chris really makes Top Gear, as he is brutally honest about everything!
@DoYouHaveAnOpinion
@DoYouHaveAnOpinion 4 жыл бұрын
DoubleDeckerAnton he's an Aquarius that's why
@angela1984a
@angela1984a 4 жыл бұрын
Chris is IGNORANT and CLUELESS. He'll clearly rather have unrestrained MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING. What. An. ID!#T!!!
@mell3109
@mell3109 4 жыл бұрын
angela1984a what are you talking about? Why the remarks?
@angela1984a
@angela1984a 4 жыл бұрын
@@mell3109 Did you watch the video?
@mell3109
@mell3109 4 жыл бұрын
angela1984a of course, he obviously knows his stuff. Most people haven’t got a clue how un eco friendly EV cars are and buy into the crap you get fed at the end. They forget that to get make the thing and the life cycle management is by far more damaging. We are getting mugged off and most don’t realise it. Chris does, do your research before you slag him off,
@GetOwned-pl5nb
@GetOwned-pl5nb 4 жыл бұрын
Pep guardiuola about the new taycan
@bastiaans5498
@bastiaans5498 4 жыл бұрын
haha, the similarity is unremarkable
@JTM610
@JTM610 4 жыл бұрын
@@bastiaans5498 unremarkable?
@Sirdiggar
@Sirdiggar 4 жыл бұрын
@@bastiaans5498 remarkable*
@lastfirst7512
@lastfirst7512 4 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha
@henryhealy
@henryhealy 4 жыл бұрын
Bruh, that had never even crossed my mind and now I can't unsee it haha
@shevo2008
@shevo2008 4 жыл бұрын
Good honest review from a guy that actually knows what he’s talking about.
@user-jt1jv8vl9r
@user-jt1jv8vl9r 4 жыл бұрын
Mostly....Just not about the environmental aspect of cars. Probably best he sticks to taking about how they drive and what the interiors are like.
@marcelohendrix6139
@marcelohendrix6139 4 жыл бұрын
he knows about evs? i don’t think so mate
@shevo2008
@shevo2008 4 жыл бұрын
Marcelo Hendrix alright musk, calm down!
@AlexandrKovalenko
@AlexandrKovalenko 4 жыл бұрын
You do know that Top Gear is not supposed to be a car show?
@legendbourne5098
@legendbourne5098 4 жыл бұрын
"when Porsche turns up to do it I get excited" immediate thumbs up
@Outland9000
@Outland9000 4 жыл бұрын
Tesla rule the e-car roost... At the moment. As soon as the big German manufacturers get into their stride Tesla will have to up their game! Which is good because this means better electric cars for us customers. On a final note, Tesla need to sort out their styling, interior design and build quality although the build quality is improving slightly over time.
@sauber8623
@sauber8623 4 жыл бұрын
I can listen to Chris talking about the cars for hours... Genius!
@gerardwalsh4724
@gerardwalsh4724 4 жыл бұрын
Check out his podcast - collecting cars.
@davidgraham370
@davidgraham370 4 жыл бұрын
@@gerardwalsh4724 THANK YOU GODSEND
@D70-y5c
@D70-y5c 4 жыл бұрын
This is why I love these smaller interviews with Chris; always honest, always spot on and always looking at the bigger picture. My compliments and please more!
@Pottsayy
@Pottsayy 4 жыл бұрын
Going to add "minted" to my daily vocab. Well said as always Chris Harris - the best in the biz right now.
@PK-vd3vo
@PK-vd3vo 4 жыл бұрын
I liked "full beans" myself...
@davidgraham370
@davidgraham370 4 жыл бұрын
we say it up here in Glasgow all the time
@youbian
@youbian 4 жыл бұрын
He must be referring to the turbo models. The other ones are quite attainable
@MatrixDiscovery
@MatrixDiscovery 4 жыл бұрын
Agree with Harris. Tire technology needs to step up or you'll be needing a new set every lap.
@ianb2722
@ianb2722 4 жыл бұрын
Tire companies would go out of business if their tires didn’t need to be replaced all the time
@for_all_those3611
@for_all_those3611 4 жыл бұрын
get some toyo or nitto tyres, the 2 biggest brands for burnouts, or michelin come in third
@damianbritton1472
@damianbritton1472 4 жыл бұрын
I mean the expectations of tires is grossly underestimated..transitional loads such as turning under braking causes so much stress.i think power management will be what gains the most over the next 10years.. awd systems will evolve ..they have too
@for_all_those3611
@for_all_those3611 4 жыл бұрын
@@damianbritton1472 different tyre models from each manufacturer will all use different rubber compounds, hard, medium, soft, you just get the tyre you require
@sbatra86
@sbatra86 4 жыл бұрын
Most people, even those with super cars, are just driving them normally
@marcmech1
@marcmech1 4 жыл бұрын
“We are getting a dangerously close to be informative here...” that has been a very bad thing for a while now in Britain
@AdrianMcDaid
@AdrianMcDaid 4 жыл бұрын
United Kingdom ...
@Joolz1982
@Joolz1982 4 жыл бұрын
Randomuserisrandom Ding I think he meant not enough people know about EV cars producing emissions in other ways, and they were trying to focus on the car and way it drives I guess. Or they’re saying they don’t want top gear to become too highbrow I’m not sure.
@AdrianMcDaid
@AdrianMcDaid 4 жыл бұрын
@Randomuserisrandom Ding Top gear is regarded as entertainment show appose to customer car buyer expert advice shown .
@timaustin2000
@timaustin2000 4 жыл бұрын
@@Joolz1982 emissions from production? The factory that makes this Porsche runs on renewable energy. The UK electricity grid is MAJORITY carbon free now and the percentage of the grid run from burning fossil fuel drops by 5% every year. Do you know how much coal we burn to make electricity now? Just over 2% of the grid. Less than 1% by the end of the year. We haven't built a new fossil fuel burning power station in this country for almost a decade. Solar produces more power in the UK now than coal does. Solar. In Britain. There is a lot of nonsense FUD about the cleanliness of EVs. There is no doubt at all that they are cleaner than the cars they replace. None.
@chunkycheese73
@chunkycheese73 4 жыл бұрын
@@timaustin2000 😆
@joebloggs4191
@joebloggs4191 4 жыл бұрын
When it comes to Tesla and EV Chris Harris’s thoughts are exactly in line with mine.
@krispamidi1202
@krispamidi1202 4 жыл бұрын
I second this opinion. It’s baffling how many Tesla Cultists are on here trying to downplay his command on the car industry.
@jordandiab1656
@jordandiab1656 4 жыл бұрын
This should be an exclusive interview format. We aren’t interested in non-Chris Harris views
@SalvatoreCaruso24
@SalvatoreCaruso24 4 жыл бұрын
"Teslas are cars for people who don't like cars" Love you Chris
@crxtodd16
@crxtodd16 4 жыл бұрын
This!!!
@fardinhooo
@fardinhooo 4 жыл бұрын
Salvatore Caruso i sell teslas for a living and even the most car people love our cars. I sold a performance model 3 yesterday to someone who had a 17 carrera 4s so to me this isnt quite true. i get what hes saying because we put safety and technology as priorities, but to say they are for people who dont like cars is a bit of a weird generalization.
@nallis01
@nallis01 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know if I fully agree with that. I have two friends that are big drag fanatics that had 9 and 10 second daily driven cars that have gone p100d since last year. Weird? Yes.
@matthuber9925
@matthuber9925 4 жыл бұрын
@@fardinhooo It is because Teslas are not cars, but Ipads on wheels. So why would someone who just had one Carrera 4 S not buy an Ipad. He is not gonna "drive" with it though.
@chunkycheese73
@chunkycheese73 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@thespectralsorrows
@thespectralsorrows 4 жыл бұрын
I finally saw the Taycan in person this weekend, the dealer had a Turbo model on the showroom. These are beautiful cars that handle amazingly well despite coming with All-Season tires. The rear seat is big enough for two 6 foot adults. I think when the Taycan 4S arrives they won't be able to make enough to fill demand. I mean the Panamera is slightly larger, but essentially the same price and burns a ton of gas while being much slower and worse handling. I think the Taycan is going to steal a ton of Panamera sales as well as bring new people to Porsche.
@user-jt1jv8vl9r
@user-jt1jv8vl9r 4 жыл бұрын
Is that because demand will be high or their inability to source enough batteries?
@thespectralsorrows
@thespectralsorrows 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-jt1jv8vl9r well the factory only has so much capacity and they are said to already be producing them as fast as they can. The new factory can produce around 40,000 units a year, which is about the same as the 911.
@Adrian-jn9ov
@Adrian-jn9ov 4 жыл бұрын
refilling is easier with gas, but porsche is also a sportscar that you can drive every day. If 90% of the time you drive to work you just charge at home. Even with the time you spend on long trips on chargers, which is with the porsch a lot less then most electric cars, is for 99% of the people overall less then filling up gas every now and then.
@tbn22
@tbn22 4 жыл бұрын
I went to see one 3 months ago, and never have I seen anyone be so sure when they make a statement. He said that he thought it would take up 30% of total sales. If so, I just hope that Porsche will stay a niche manufacturer and not go mainstream and be ruined by the globalization, as such is happening to Benz, Audi and BMW.
@thewayisbetter4695
@thewayisbetter4695 4 жыл бұрын
Great review guys. I am so glad you said Chris that the new tec. Is for the rich. Don't stop speaking your mind please.
@sbatra86
@sbatra86 4 жыл бұрын
It starts out for the rich, eventually you reach economies of scale and the price drops significantly and the masses can get it. Same thing as the smartphone, the PC, and even combustion engine cars when they first came out.
@sbatra86
@sbatra86 4 жыл бұрын
I got a Nissan Leaf with 226 miles of range for 28k USD. Plenty of range for my daily use and not that expensive. Not all electric cars cost an arm and a leg
@Rhaspun
@Rhaspun 4 жыл бұрын
@@sbatra86 I see that with Tesla. It wasn't necessarily for the rich but you needed an affluent income level. I see quite a few of them around SF Bay Area these days. Not so exclusive of a car as it was a few years back.
@timaustin2000
@timaustin2000 4 жыл бұрын
My Zoe costs less to own and run per month than the direct equivalent Clio by £60. No word of a lie. If I lived in London I'd be over £100 in profit a month. Every month. Company car? Take 40% off the upfront cost of any electric as of this year. Chris is wrong about this. I know a dozen EV owners in my area. Not one of them is wealthy (okay, one: he has a Model 3). I sure as hell am not and I'm driving an EV that will get me most of the way down the country with a single top up charge of 40 minutes. This narrative is old and out of date, just like much of the information in this segment.
@angela1984a
@angela1984a 4 жыл бұрын
Chris is IGNORANT and CLUELESS. He'll clearly rather have unrestrained MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING. What. An. ID!#T!!!
@beano6452
@beano6452 4 жыл бұрын
Chris’s face is saying: do I have to talk to you?
@chrislaws9524
@chrislaws9524 4 жыл бұрын
He always seems hugely intimidated interviewing Chris, something tells me it’s more than his eyes saying it when the cameras aren’t rolling!
@Outland9000
@Outland9000 4 жыл бұрын
Don't mean to toot my own horn but I think I could do a better job than the guy on the right. By the way BBC, I am available!
@joefields719
@joefields719 4 жыл бұрын
5:20 the most truthful talk, which they have to pull back, and get back to the 'commercial chatter'
@LoneWolf-wp9dn
@LoneWolf-wp9dn 4 жыл бұрын
Its not going to be perfect on day one get over it... or do you really enjoy that permanent numbing smell of noxious fumes?
@lwwells
@lwwells 4 жыл бұрын
Eh. Not really. You can tell he’s wildly undereducated on this topic by leading with “where’s the lithium coming from?”
@davidsommen1324
@davidsommen1324 4 жыл бұрын
@@lwwells Exactly.
@joefields719
@joefields719 4 жыл бұрын
To clarify I'm addressing the information about the manufacturing carbon footprint to mass produce EV vehicles. The daily operational footprint is smaller, but the manufacturing side is larger. At least for now, until other or more clean power source(s) are discovered and utilized. I want to know how many miles/kilometers the vehicles need to travel, before they have nullified the manufacturing carbon footprint, by having zero daily operational footprint. Will it take 1yr, 5yr, 10yr?
@joefields719
@joefields719 4 жыл бұрын
@@LoneWolf-wp9dn actually yes, I do love the aroma of gasoline, engine oil, and leather. This mostly speaking about my years of riding a motorcycle. But now days it's the sound of operation, that I can feel, when driving a ICE car. If EV cars 'sound and feel' like a combustion engine, I'll be more motivated to purchase one. This is like the 'ring tone' on phones, when we moved away from telephones that actually had Bells in them.
@IanbestSmith
@IanbestSmith 4 жыл бұрын
Taycan. The super bowl AD was brilliant
@japsniper1980
@japsniper1980 4 жыл бұрын
As soon as Chris said "Where's all the lithium coming from. Where are the heavy metals..." that was it for me. Finally a car journalist is not getting caught up in the "electric car hype" and is starting to talk some sense. Respect to Chris Harris.
@ingerasulffs
@ingerasulffs 4 жыл бұрын
To paraphrase Chris, "car batteries are less polluting than people are giving them credit for".
@japsniper1980
@japsniper1980 4 жыл бұрын
Also Lithium, cobalt and nickel are in very limited supply. So they will run out, just like oil. All we are doing is using a different limited resource. What we should be doing is developing and improving hydrogen fuel cell technology. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the known universe.
@slartybartfarst9737
@slartybartfarst9737 4 жыл бұрын
Lithium is a relatively abundant material, if the whole worlds population, man, woman and children each had an EV tomorrow there would still be enough to go round. Other rare earth materials such as Cobalt are being designed out down from 25% to 3% by anode weight so 0.1 to 0.001% of battery total. No material is limitless but EV batteries are 95% recyclable so will give 1000s of years of use. Compared to mine, burn emit CO2 of fossil fuels which is not sustainable there will have to be another answer within 50 years and the longer we leave it the more potential damage we do to the climate (not an experiment worth risking), the clock is ticking.
@jelle8071
@jelle8071 4 жыл бұрын
Jamie G The majority of cobalt is now used to refine crude oil, to decrease sulfur levels So while we are now essentially burning our supply of cobalt, we could also use it in batteries and maybe even recycle the material. However, I absolutely agree that cobalt mining is filthy business.
@dzerres
@dzerres 4 жыл бұрын
@@japsniper1980 Battery development is not standing still. Tesla has already reduced the cobalt requirement by 80% or so.
@01JENNERS
@01JENNERS 4 жыл бұрын
We need more of these videos - I could watch chris talk about cars and the changes to the industry for days
@flyingcarrot8497
@flyingcarrot8497 4 жыл бұрын
At last someone in the public eye talking about the practical issues with EV's. Well done Chris. An electric 911! God forbid.
@TunedIntoCars
@TunedIntoCars 4 жыл бұрын
GIVE THIS GUY A PODCAST! I love listening to Chris. He speaks so much sense!
@TunedIntoCars
@TunedIntoCars 4 жыл бұрын
@@Joolz1982 Yeah, i know them all :)) Collecting cars is his podcast. It's quite cool. Love the Tiff episode, especially!
@DaleNorth
@DaleNorth 2 жыл бұрын
"A car for people that don't like cars" is one of the best Tesla summaries I've heard a auto journalist say
@origaminefretami3480
@origaminefretami3480 2 жыл бұрын
So true
@Euromasterrace5000
@Euromasterrace5000 Жыл бұрын
Facts
@TheHabiat
@TheHabiat 4 жыл бұрын
these "interviews" are always great. keep them coming
@Nexus.Achiles
@Nexus.Achiles 4 жыл бұрын
Honest insight from Chris, I just learn so much listening to him. No PR bullsh**.
@jonasweber9408
@jonasweber9408 4 жыл бұрын
"where the lithium is coming from?" doubt is a strong weapon... thanks Big oil!
@hasangenc2922
@hasangenc2922 4 жыл бұрын
Oil ❤
@bluebikerathar
@bluebikerathar 4 жыл бұрын
Where's palladium coming from? What the hell is it. And cobalt is also used in gasoline. And nobody cares but in an EV. The worst thing.
@hasangenc2922
@hasangenc2922 4 жыл бұрын
@@bluebikerathar because people don't like EVs.
@jonasweber9408
@jonasweber9408 4 жыл бұрын
Hasan Genc ah ah try to convince everyone but the selling percentages show you the contrary
@jonasweber9408
@jonasweber9408 4 жыл бұрын
Jaimie Duthoy there is also palladium in ICE cars in catalyst filters. and I never heard of recycling those... You’re right the oil industry uses far more cobalt than the battery industry to remove the sulfur from oil and in catalyst filter when in fact the battery industry is going from 4% cobalt to 0% in their batteries. People must know: www.cobaltinstitute.org/desulphurisation.html
@TopGear
@TopGear 4 жыл бұрын
Porsche to Tesla: "Taycan play at that game"
@imallfordabulls
@imallfordabulls 4 жыл бұрын
Top Gear booooooo
@mrkumar9813
@mrkumar9813 4 жыл бұрын
Booooo....
@universalelements4499
@universalelements4499 4 жыл бұрын
BBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAHWWW!!!!!!! BOOOO BOO BO BOB OB BOOOOOOOOO
@universalelements4499
@universalelements4499 4 жыл бұрын
Booooooooooooo
@universalelements4499
@universalelements4499 4 жыл бұрын
Boooo
@DonLee1980
@DonLee1980 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Harris keeping it REAL. Respect.
@SMX815
@SMX815 4 жыл бұрын
This is a totally honest review & I could nit agree with you anymore! An electric car like this just a status symbol no more no less!
@sbatra86
@sbatra86 4 жыл бұрын
So is any supercar, what is your point? I got a 226 mile range nissan leaf for $28k after tax incentives and rebates.
@HeadPack
@HeadPack 4 жыл бұрын
Which Porsche isn’t a status symbol?
@longtailgt
@longtailgt 4 жыл бұрын
This is probably the only car that has me excited about electric cars. And I trust Porsche do it right
@marcnobel3938
@marcnobel3938 4 жыл бұрын
Finally someone who explains it so that normal car guys understand it. THX!
@Westside7be
@Westside7be 4 жыл бұрын
If Chris harris was my wife, we'd never argue
@Chris-nj1mr
@Chris-nj1mr 4 жыл бұрын
Until it comes to who drives the car 😁
@bichers
@bichers 4 жыл бұрын
So you are the bich :D
@Anankin12
@Anankin12 4 жыл бұрын
What? Why wouldn't you argue with him? It's so beautiful when he has to argue about something
@jimmywhite4025
@jimmywhite4025 4 жыл бұрын
I hear he gets pretty mad at people who forget to capitalise his surname though...
@Daraabinator
@Daraabinator 4 жыл бұрын
0:50 nice lip sync edit
@Andrew-zx9wx
@Andrew-zx9wx 4 жыл бұрын
I’m with Chris on this topic
@angela1984a
@angela1984a 4 жыл бұрын
Chris is IGNORANT and CLUELESS. He'll clearly rather have unrestrained MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING. What. An. ID!#T!!!
@user-jt1jv8vl9r
@user-jt1jv8vl9r 4 жыл бұрын
@@angela1984a Do you just copy and paste the same statement? What's the point?
@user-jt1jv8vl9r
@user-jt1jv8vl9r 4 жыл бұрын
@n s What a load of old tosh. You only have to look at the problems big cities have with pollution during peak traffic or look up the stats re the number of city dwellers with respiratory problems, children with asthma etc to realise this can't go on. Now with almost 8 Billion people who increasingly want their own transport something has to be done.
@angela1984a
@angela1984a 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-jt1jv8vl9r Let's see if you can guess what the point is...
@peanuts2105
@peanuts2105 4 жыл бұрын
Chris hits the nail on the head again: his comments about sourcing lithium and that Tesla drivers are not interested in cars is bang on. Chris you are a credit to journalism and not all the hyped up bollocks from non-car journalists who are more interested in a skinny latte's than smoking tyes and brakes.
@neokgatla
@neokgatla 4 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine a world without GT3's just GTE's 😥
@CobnutVTS
@CobnutVTS 4 жыл бұрын
I doubt it would be called a GTE but we will have to see, I hope to god it won't 😭
@thejonathanrath
@thejonathanrath 4 жыл бұрын
Look at what they're did with the 919 Evo. A less dirty GT3 will be more epic than you can imagine.
@Euromasterrace5000
@Euromasterrace5000 Жыл бұрын
Wont happen anyway.
@iwolfdk
@iwolfdk 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Harris is the one person who can get me back for watching TopGear again.
@Ben-qe8ju
@Ben-qe8ju 4 жыл бұрын
Does the other guy ever stick with his own opinion? Whenever Chris has a different angle he just changes his mind. Chris is always correct of course, but that's beside the point.
@ronik24
@ronik24 4 жыл бұрын
"The other guy" is the deputy editor of Top Gear magazine, and he is conducting the interview - so asking for opinions, not telling them. These are not mad KZbin commenters not budging from their opinion. ;-)
@yungnietzsche2302
@yungnietzsche2302 4 жыл бұрын
The other guy is a moron that got to this point through sheer luck. He hasn’t got a clue about cars and it comes through in everything he says and the way he conducts himself. It’s a shame to see Harris have to put up with this idiot, the frustration is constantly visible on his face
@jackyharuhiko
@jackyharuhiko 4 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree more with you, Chris. You have my highest respect! 👍👍👍
@evofake
@evofake 4 жыл бұрын
jon doe didn’t make any sense lol
@DarkLordButterfly
@DarkLordButterfly 4 жыл бұрын
"Where does the lithium come from?" - A valid question, but there's rarely any analysis of "Where does the petrol come from?". It's not just take it out of the ground and chuck it in your 911, the amount of CO2 emissions tied up in refinement are huge. Because the data is "commercially sensitive" it's rarely available for the public either so really difficult to do a proper analysis on it. Plus, the batteries can be recycled into charging stations - petrol once it's burned...cannot be used again. Range is definitely getting better every year but from most EV owners I've spoken to they've barely noticed the range, as most daily drives are under 200 miles before a break anyway. Of course different from car enthusiasts like Chris et al, but I imagine 90% of UK drivers are exactly those that "pootle around town". Still, the fact you likely need a off-street charger and £30k+ definitely makes them expensive toys at the minute. But the Taycan looks like it's doing well at being the toy everyone wants...
@ervandam
@ervandam 4 жыл бұрын
Great post
@for_all_those3611
@for_all_those3611 4 жыл бұрын
doesn't matter, graphite batteries are already here and are the future of all solid state batteries
@astronmr20
@astronmr20 4 жыл бұрын
CO2 from cars is simply not warming the planet.
@Troy_K
@Troy_K 4 жыл бұрын
A few gripes with this video. -There are car people who like Teslas (I consider myself one) I like what electric cars that are done right bring to the table and to watch the evolution of the automobile in real time is exhilarating. -Electricity is getting cleaner and cleaner by the day as we push to use more solar, wind, hydro and nuclear, that estimate is subject to change and even if it remained true the impact is still less than any ICE. -Lithium mining is performed in South American deserts where barely any life is at all, extracting it from the sand is barely a detriment.
@AR-zr1om
@AR-zr1om 4 жыл бұрын
Bring on the taycan estate 👌 will be the coolest modern car by a long way
@yarkmates3409
@yarkmates3409 4 жыл бұрын
A R i think it will be the Panamera for the estate version
@almac9203
@almac9203 4 жыл бұрын
@@yarkmates3409 Porsche have previewed the estate version of the Taycan. It is an all road crossover version. Porsche said there is a crossover version coming. Not sure if it will be 100% like the concept or more crossover and less estate.
@a_stone
@a_stone 4 жыл бұрын
Good news for you. A Porsche Taycan Estate has been spied doing a few tests around the Nurburgring so if we're lucky, we'll see it by the end of this year.
@autoframed
@autoframed 4 жыл бұрын
" What frustrate me about tesla is obviously cars for people who don't like cars" BANG ON ! Chris Harris is the best journalist out there right now !
@SebastianSchaub
@SebastianSchaub 4 жыл бұрын
God i love chris harris’ takes so much. If all of youtube was just chris harris on this chris harris on that i’d be happy
@d6anubhavnandi920
@d6anubhavnandi920 4 жыл бұрын
I love every single type and kind of cars
@C10-l1m
@C10-l1m 4 жыл бұрын
Except the fiat multipla of course. That thing is just too ugly
@hasangenc2922
@hasangenc2922 4 жыл бұрын
@@C10-l1m or the Tesla Model 3, looks just as ugly
@unicorntomboy9736
@unicorntomboy9736 4 жыл бұрын
@@hasangenc2922 No it does not
@hasangenc2922
@hasangenc2922 4 жыл бұрын
@@unicorntomboy9736 it actually does
@a_stone
@a_stone 4 жыл бұрын
@@unicorntomboy9736 It kinda does. It's just bland car with a bland interior. It's just boring. A fucking Honda Accord looks more interesting than a Model S or 3. A fucking Honda.
@krrk6337
@krrk6337 4 жыл бұрын
Why did Top Gear hire Harris and then hired another guy to interrupt him. smh.
@dirty7444
@dirty7444 4 жыл бұрын
He’s the BossMan
@mattipuh
@mattipuh 4 жыл бұрын
Love Chris's comments! Honest and objective. just mint.
@jdwalker9718
@jdwalker9718 4 жыл бұрын
Harris is spot on: make an electric automobile that car people will get excited about
@hasangenc2922
@hasangenc2922 4 жыл бұрын
Porsche did it on their first try, as expected. I dont like EVs....but the Taycan is so nice. And im certainly not the only one.
@dzerres
@dzerres 4 жыл бұрын
EV makes have to be profitable. If you want to get excited stick to pornhub.
@unicorntomboy9736
@unicorntomboy9736 4 жыл бұрын
The Porsche Taycan is exciting to me
@krispamidi1202
@krispamidi1202 4 жыл бұрын
Yes true. Not the biggest supporter of EV’s and frankly the Tesla model 3 performance is a pretty nice car too. But the fanboys make it so so hard to like. For true petrol heads, the Taycan is a ray of hope that signifies that there will be companies that pay attention to driving dynamics and the ‘joy of driving’ as EV’s grow. It’s a sad thing to watch the death of the ICE but that’s some relief.
@adnaanu
@adnaanu 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Harris is a true automotive journalist. I remember when he used to write and review for Autocar back in the day. He had a full head of hair and triangular sideburns
@benjoseph4252
@benjoseph4252 4 жыл бұрын
Valid point being made by Chris re. the true carbon footprint of an electric car. It certainly has been politicised. However, there still are some important benefits. Firstly, if you're a city dweller, especially the dense ones in major cities, removing exhaust gases from traffic will be hugely beneficial. Second, the power to charge the cars can and should come more and more from renewable sources. And third, mining for lithium isn't pretty but it probably couldn't hurt to support countries' economies that aren't in, say, the Middle East. I believe the largest known reserves are in Bolivia. So, emphatically no, owning a Taycan doesn't save the ice caps, but it's part of some important trends that, when adopted en masse, can have some important, positive effects.
@user-tq9mo8ut7c
@user-tq9mo8ut7c 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Harris - "because the futures gonna be great. FART" 7:06
@DaveyGa
@DaveyGa 4 жыл бұрын
Rewinds back to the start 7 times, thinking "screw the Porsche, talk about the Audi in the background." ....
@BIGGELATO
@BIGGELATO 2 жыл бұрын
This is where you see these guys' differences, Chris Harris is open to discuss the realities of the world without any fear of getting canceled, while the other guy is the bare opposite and is scared sh*tless of being canceled. Chris is as genuine as a man can and should be. Great guy. This is why people love him.
@michaelfranco8208
@michaelfranco8208 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Harris, HOW DARE YOU!!! LOL Chris Harris actually spitting the TRUTH.
@general65644
@general65644 4 жыл бұрын
ahahahahahah Laugh in Tesla.
@joylightclub
@joylightclub 4 жыл бұрын
A really excellent Q&A session, bringing up some great points. It would be good to hear more about the points raised by Chris in the segment starting at 5:20.
@trim105
@trim105 4 жыл бұрын
I doubt we will, like the other guy said, they were "getting dangerously close to being (too) informative" 😂😂😂
@realAamirShahzad
@realAamirShahzad 4 жыл бұрын
this car is 🔥
@Bilal-kb9yy
@Bilal-kb9yy 4 жыл бұрын
I could hear Chris Harris talk about cars for 3 days straight without getting bored.. he Just has a way to deliver his opinion that is near impossible to match in the car community (Clarkson is another one) and just straight honesty no Bullshitting around.
@NathanWoollaston
@NathanWoollaston 4 жыл бұрын
I wish this was TV Top Gear. Sick of people just shouting for an hour. Maybe I'm just getting old.
@richardbeck818
@richardbeck818 4 жыл бұрын
Chris is a legend. Think it would be fascinating to go for a beer with him and talk cars.
@joeynessily
@joeynessily 4 жыл бұрын
Every time I cross a roundabout in my Leaf I almost smash into a car in front who thought they could pull out in front.... nah mate, you won't make it. People need to understand electric cars speed off the line.
@ashystyle
@ashystyle 4 жыл бұрын
Chris on point as always!
@JohnBatty
@JohnBatty 4 жыл бұрын
Criticising Tesla cornering is like critiquing the gait of a dog walking on two legs. It's an American car. It's amazing it does it at all. As Chris says, Tesla changed the game. Without the model S, the Taycan doesn't exist.
@kamallb4650
@kamallb4650 4 жыл бұрын
AmErican car.
@SimonScuffham
@SimonScuffham 4 жыл бұрын
Model S is NOT a sport car, it's massive in comparison, think more Merc E class. Currently, I would argue the Model 3 is closer in size and spec, although it's still not a sports car, it's a 4 door family saloon, mind you, the 3 is much lighter, can go much further and it's massively cheaper! the killer for this will be the Roadster 2, that will be a sports car - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster_(2020)
@JCviggen1
@JCviggen1 4 жыл бұрын
Taycan is the result of EU rulemaking in the past decennium first and foremost. The Model S provided a benchmark but the decision to start building electric cars goes back to before Tesla was a big thing.
@JMartinni
@JMartinni 4 жыл бұрын
"Without the model S, the Taycan doesn't exist." You say that. And yet, the Model S released in 2012, the Mission E was a driveable concept in 2015. Porsche had hybrids and electric Cayman/Boxster concepts by 2011. The whole industry was moving this way by that point. Tesla accelerated the change, it didn't invent the game.
@kamallb4650
@kamallb4650 4 жыл бұрын
@@JMartinni exactly! They existed before Tesla, when it was just a unit.
@UntoldRelic
@UntoldRelic 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not throwing shade at the new show (I think it's pretty good), but these youtube videos with Chris and...the other guy (name, please?) are the best part of it.
@quacktac
@quacktac 4 жыл бұрын
I don't dislike electric cars particularly, but I utterly despise that they're being sold as an environmental benefit when they so clearly are not.
@jeremydasneves6037
@jeremydasneves6037 4 жыл бұрын
People go on about the cobalt use in batteries but they don't know that cobalt has been used to remove sulphur from fuel all this time. Over 500 cycles in a battery but one off for a tank of petrol. www.cobaltinstitute.org/desulphurisation.html
@imanuel8883
@imanuel8883 4 жыл бұрын
@@jeremydasneves6037 Don't bring facts to a my emotions Jeremy.
@insevanhouts
@insevanhouts 4 жыл бұрын
"When they so clearly are not". Care to provide some proof?
@takenbystorm
@takenbystorm 4 жыл бұрын
Great considerations on relevant questions. Jack needs to reeeeelaaaax. As a long time fan of MH, I am so happy to see that A) he's getting over the cold (finally) and B) He's even better when he's being absolutely himself. It's been a long time coming.
@fasher69
@fasher69 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Harris you are the man great review
@AznS0ulja
@AznS0ulja 4 жыл бұрын
6:55, definitely excited to see whats in store if the taycan is a taste!
@aussie2uGA
@aussie2uGA 4 жыл бұрын
Porsche knows performance is what sells EV technology. The Taycan becomes an aspirational model now for people who want the best. Porsche can now create a Macan EV for the mainstream with much less scrutiny.
@nomadicgrenada
@nomadicgrenada 4 жыл бұрын
When are you guys (bbc) gonna realise that a motoring show with Chris Harris on his own would be gold.
@MikeC_1989
@MikeC_1989 4 жыл бұрын
That Audi Quattro in the background 😍 - hope that's going to be on the TV at some point 🔥
@warrengday
@warrengday 4 жыл бұрын
Great insightful analysis of electric cars, thank you.
@franmotusic
@franmotusic 4 жыл бұрын
The best EV on todays market.
@dogefromthefuture
@dogefromthefuture 2 жыл бұрын
Chris, you're the man. RARELY do i listen to someone who's both got the brains and keeps it real
@jamesgumption5188
@jamesgumption5188 4 жыл бұрын
761hp is in launch mode only
@shterguh2c
@shterguh2c 4 жыл бұрын
To be honest, you don't want that problem on your hand while driving on a public road. You're literally a cramp away from death in electric sportcars.
@tubestubb
@tubestubb 4 жыл бұрын
What an interesting and smart man Chris is. Always informative and always good fun to listen too.
@huron3871
@huron3871 4 жыл бұрын
The death of the sailboat
@Zadster
@Zadster 4 жыл бұрын
Automotive heaven is an evening in a country pub with Chris Harris and Harry Metcalfe. All that design work by Porsche on those two cars, and I still can't help looking at that Sport Quattro in the background
@billionaireinthemaking2725
@billionaireinthemaking2725 4 жыл бұрын
2:47 is why I rejected a second date with a otherwise beautiful girl.
@nealp885
@nealp885 4 жыл бұрын
😂
@arkypoo9098
@arkypoo9098 4 жыл бұрын
Chris and Jack ARE Top Gear now... and just make sure you are feathering it brother! #YMH
@Domenick_Y
@Domenick_Y 4 жыл бұрын
"...the 911 will remain [a gas-powered car]" Future narrator: It would not.
@DuvJones
@DuvJones 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe, maybe not... The hybird shift would be an interesting one, especially if Porsche goes with a PHEV but they can't keep the 911 from the regulations forever. That is simply not possible and as Chris points out, it will be a costly thing to do. It will not be for a while, about 20-30 years out by the looks of it... but come that point, Porsche has a choice to make. Kill the 911 or electrify it. That is the wall that they will have to put up, and I don't want to be the CEO whom has to make that call.
@pdpiper
@pdpiper 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta say, I love these one on one break down vids! 👌🏾
@chrisalexandersb1748
@chrisalexandersb1748 4 жыл бұрын
Model 3 Performance is quicker around the topgear track than a BMW M3 and 0.1 seconds slower than a Giulia Quadrofoglio on 70(!) threadwear tires. But it does not handle. Sure. From motortrend; «Mr. Consistency just laid down a 1:22.78. That's 1.12 seconds quicker than the Tesla. Then somebody notices the Alfa's Pirelli P Zero Corsa AR Asimmetrico front tires. They're asimmetrico, all right: Half of each tread block's rubber is gone after two sets of three hard laps. The Tesla engineer points to his car's Michelin Pilot Sport 4Ss that are at worst scuffed. "We could do that time if we were willing to destroy our tires," he says.» They later returned with Michelin Cup 2 tires and was 3 seconds faster than the Alfa.
@slartybartfarst9737
@slartybartfarst9737 4 жыл бұрын
Chris hit the nail on the head. Teslas supercharger network is that good it contributes so much to the car, entirely true you can road trip in a Tesla. On the public road ill stick with my Tesla and keep the £50k in the bank compared to Tie can but I appreciate what Chris is saying about handling, then again my last car was a Chrysler 300c so 2 ton and just as big as the Model S I thought that was fun to chuck around, I like a challenge! Competition will be good for Tesla......plaid Model S please Mr Musk
@MrMelodynelson
@MrMelodynelson 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Harris (as a petrol head) future will change (again) with thoose new tecnology....and he seems a little pissed about it
@planespeaking
@planespeaking 4 жыл бұрын
I watched a different video to you.
@iHaveTheDocuments
@iHaveTheDocuments 4 жыл бұрын
@jon doe Trolling so desperately on every comment hoping someone will believe in what your obsessed with.
@boltmix7294
@boltmix7294 4 жыл бұрын
1) He isn't pissed 2) Electric cars are simply not there yet. This is pure fact that you and other mentally behind and uneducated electric fanboys need to accept Cars should be compatible with your life, not the other way araound That is the brute reality Chris "the petrol head's" word is single handedly less biased and more objective then the word of degenerates who don't know shit about cars
@repeatrepeatrepeat
@repeatrepeatrepeat 4 жыл бұрын
@jon doe wow you really dedicated, you? I see you on every video related to Harris. So sad.
@MrMelodynelson
@MrMelodynelson 4 жыл бұрын
@@boltmix7294...é isso tudo e couves tambem.
@isrealdiaz3899
@isrealdiaz3899 4 жыл бұрын
All the R&D that goes into vehicles comes from the vehicle manufacturers themselves and knowing that just tells me that yeah we're at a point where electric is still new and uncharted waters... but man... when it starts taking off, were going to see some insane electric cars in the road and I personally can't wait, I'll always love the roar of a petrol engine, but Electric cars and instant torque are mind blowing in performance. And this is just the beginning.
@airmax90_king93
@airmax90_king93 4 жыл бұрын
As a car enthusiast I'm really really really gonna miss internal combustion engines it makes me depressed thinking about it
@MADDGAMMER
@MADDGAMMER 4 жыл бұрын
Airmax90_king I think the power and the much better torque vectoring might be able to compensate easily ;).
@shevo2008
@shevo2008 4 жыл бұрын
Dominic Hammel that’ll become boring very quickly. These cars are soulless. Like an I phone, disposable!
@Joolz1982
@Joolz1982 4 жыл бұрын
Unless they jack up car tax more and reduce electric car prices somewhat I think yr safe in yr engine for at least 10+ more years, I wanna see them deal with emissions from cargo ships!
@MADDGAMMER
@MADDGAMMER 4 жыл бұрын
John Shev that’s your opinion but not an absolute truth. I lot of people, including me are excited for more sustainable transport. Especially since electric cars are surpassing ICE powered cars in most aspects. It’s only a matter of time until ICE become obsolete (in cars).
@shevo2008
@shevo2008 4 жыл бұрын
Dominic Hammel you’ve used the words ‘sustainable’ and ‘excited’ in the same sentence. Dude, me and you are defiantly not on the same page! Haha. They can ban all they want. Ever seen Mad Max? Scavenging then wasteland for gasoline to power his V8 muscle car. I’d take it to that level before owning a milk float
@expatbiker6598
@expatbiker6598 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Harris needs to get a podcast. I would listen religiously.
@Joolz1982
@Joolz1982 4 жыл бұрын
Expat In UK Biker check out the stuff he did on Smokin Tire podcast and he has a podcast called collecting cars but does not update that often it seems.
@expatbiker6598
@expatbiker6598 4 жыл бұрын
@@Joolz1982 Thanks. I never knew he had that. I'll check it out.
@AOTanoos22
@AOTanoos22 4 жыл бұрын
I waited so long for this !
@thejonathanrath
@thejonathanrath 4 жыл бұрын
@jon doe unnecessary.
@jaspwetering2528
@jaspwetering2528 4 жыл бұрын
Came here to say Chris Harris is just plain good at his job, pretty much what everyone is saying. Glad he was given Top Gear to do his thing.
@timonr2537
@timonr2537 4 жыл бұрын
Ok I agree with a lot that Chris is saying but people who don’t like cars get something cheap or quiet like a Prius, Tesla’s are cars for people who want a fun electric car that is cheaper then a Porsche or The higher end Tesla’s.
@anoniem9518
@anoniem9518 4 жыл бұрын
Nope. Most people praising Tesla, are shitting and bashing the ICE (and its car industry) in the same sentence. They completely ignore the huge achievements of ICE.
@AZdroptop
@AZdroptop 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, he just summed up Tesla perfectly
@LEA82345
@LEA82345 4 жыл бұрын
Already a dozen drag races where Taycan easily has beaten Model S Raven. Multiple track tests where Taycan annihilates any Tesla with several seconds per lap. On Nurburgring, Taycan is more than a minute faster than any Tesla. Multiple publications and reports that praise Taycan's handling, endurance, build quality, range, repeatable performance, fit and finish, range.. Almost any journalist that is not a Tesla fanboy says that Taycan is superior... And yet, under every Taycan video, Tesla fanboys pollute the thread with their ignorance...
@Robert-cu9bm
@Robert-cu9bm 4 жыл бұрын
Also every owner has said that the EPA range is completely wrong and they get the same range as their Tesla.
@cobrachannel100
@cobrachannel100 4 жыл бұрын
So what? It is twice as expensive, has worse charging infrastructure, no OTAs, no self driving capabilities and is like 8 years newer. At the end of the day, definitely great car but not that impressive. $180K? Please :D
@boostav
@boostav 4 жыл бұрын
​@@Robert-cu9bm The EPA range is a scientific test not some anecdotal evidence found on KZbin, the reason in some scenarios the range figures are close is because the Taycan is optimized for high speed highway driving, however it does poorly efficiency wise in city/rural driving.
@alasdairstuart3394
@alasdairstuart3394 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Harris nails it again...
@The-Randomest-Guy
@The-Randomest-Guy 4 жыл бұрын
Can somebody tell Chris Harris to behave. I love him when he's talking about fast cars. But that doesn't mean that reflects the majority of the car industry. The average amount of miles for a UK driver is 10000-12000miles. 1st of all. So a car that needs to be driven 15000 miles to work out as carbon neutral means it would reach that in just over a year. Considering the average lifespan of cars in the UK is about 15yrs, complaining about 1 or 2yrs is nonsense. Plus, 1/3rd of energy in the UK is provided by renewable sources. Also, the batteries can be quite easily and successfully be removed, charged locally via renewables like solar and used to power other things like street lights after using them in the cars is no longer viable(in over a decade), therefore reducing the need for power from the grid to. He has been against EVs from the start. Most people ARE just commuting in their cars, mate. Driving to and from work, shops etc. Very few people get out to test the edge of their cars limits and handling or go for pleasure drives. The upper speed limit on roads is 70mph. Many places in cities are bringing in 20mph zones. Him feeling sad about sports cars becoming electric says more about him being stuck in the past than it does about the car industry dragging it's heels. He's out of sync. The majority of cars are for normal driving, with a tiny bit of hoonery. Not the other way around. And this is from a biker who doesn't pay any mind to speed limits. We're a small section of the population. And let's not forget, a Tesla model 3 performance just toasted some of his favourite fast cars around the track. He should remember. He was driving.
@rallycrosscraig
@rallycrosscraig 4 жыл бұрын
Craig Most high end Porsche and super cars cover very low mileage - his comment is correct in the context of most 911 owners (not all).
@The-Randomest-Guy
@The-Randomest-Guy 4 жыл бұрын
@@rallycrosscraig yeah agreed, it's the same for us lot who ride bikes too. Very few actually put much miles on them(but, someone who buys a Taycan or Panamera would normally put more on it) . Such a waste. But, that is kinda what I'm saying. It makes their point of view even less valid,if you get where I'm coming from? Plus, the actual car is still going to cover more than those 15k-25k miles. Someone down the road is going to buy the car for cheap with 75k miles on the clock and it'll still be on the road in 15yrs. So the benefits are still there.
@Rhaspun
@Rhaspun 4 жыл бұрын
Chris is referring to the more expensive cars. Generally cars in the price range of a Porsche don't accumulate much mileage per year. It is often times the toy weekend car for trips. It's not common to see a Porsche or some other exotic car out in commute traffic.
@The-Randomest-Guy
@The-Randomest-Guy 4 жыл бұрын
@@Rhaspun yeah, true for a pure sports car like a boxster or 911,maybe. They're more weekend toys. But, these fast tourers are a bit different. I reckon the average mileage for a Panamera is probably much higher than that of a Boxster. There aren't any EV sports cars, so his point is neither here nor there.
@BlueMica63
@BlueMica63 4 жыл бұрын
Being faster doesn't mean more fun. And that's his entire point from the perspective of an enthusiast fun doesn't always equal acceleration and lap times. And few laps around one track doesn't prove anything. I've yet to see Tesla be relevant in the nurburgring which is where most manufacturers prove and test their cars for a reason. He's not out of sync just because he doesn't share your view's. Im tired of people calling out other's for being "stuck the past" when they have a difference of opinion....just because he isn't sheep and follow's the majority of people doesn't make him wrong . He has every reason and right to feel sad about it, he grew up with ICE car's and there is passion and feeling to them that electric's will never possess.
@tuomasholo
@tuomasholo 4 жыл бұрын
The Taycan really excites me. Anything that expensive and under delivers in range will have a massive depreciation.
@TheKimNeeper
@TheKimNeeper 4 жыл бұрын
Tu Ho I don’t think so. Think in 5 years when you can buy a 250 kWh battery upgrade for $10k, these electric cars will indeed have value.
@tuomasholo
@tuomasholo 4 жыл бұрын
Kim Neeper Rasmussen if what you say is true why aren’t Tesla owners upgrading their batteries? I haven’t heard of a single 2016 and older Tesla owner upgrading batteries in their car. The answer is people want the latest technology and design.
@santana9537
@santana9537 4 жыл бұрын
That’s why I’m excited for BMW taking their time so electric M cars drive like proper M cars
@anoniem9518
@anoniem9518 4 жыл бұрын
They should hurry.
@santana9537
@santana9537 4 жыл бұрын
BaBeLoo BaDoo all about timing. Unlike Mercedes and Audi already adding weight to their cars
@user-jt1jv8vl9r
@user-jt1jv8vl9r 4 жыл бұрын
You mean like how Nokia took their time to get into the smart phone market? I think Tesla will smash BMW and the like as Apple smashed Nokia.
@santana9537
@santana9537 4 жыл бұрын
R tesla can never make performance cars like BMW and Porsche
@Sabat1
@Sabat1 4 жыл бұрын
Chris is on of the smartest guys in moto industry, props to him.
@anyexpat
@anyexpat 4 жыл бұрын
Er not he is not, I bet you ever single Engineer at any successful company is smarter, he is a good presenter, but calm down fan boy
@Sabat1
@Sabat1 4 жыл бұрын
@@anyexpat you bet me ever, whats that even mean ?
@DarcersTech
@DarcersTech 4 жыл бұрын
I really like Tesla but am glad other companies are finally catching on as well. More competition is always good for the consumer.
@DarcersTech
@DarcersTech 4 жыл бұрын
n s Don’t quite see where you are going with that...
@user-jt1jv8vl9r
@user-jt1jv8vl9r 4 жыл бұрын
Have to agree, whilst Tesla is miles ahead in so many ways, the old manufacturers know more about how to make a cars handling interesting.
@user-jt1jv8vl9r
@user-jt1jv8vl9r 4 жыл бұрын
@n s You see, this is where people make the same mistake and become fixated on CO2 and climate change as if that's the only consequence of burning fossil fuels. My first concern is getting ICE cars off the streets so my daughter can walk to school in relatively clean air.
@abbeysekamatte8289
@abbeysekamatte8289 4 жыл бұрын
Gentlemen,your chemistry is 100 percent perfect reminds me of the good old Motor trend days with Camisa and the bearded guy
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