Chris Watts Case Analysis | The Murder Part #26

The Murder Part #26: Chris Watts
“The Murder Part” featuring Dr. Grande, Michael Smith, and Jeff Pincin.

[@KO-qd3ft]

The difference between Amber and Nikki is that Scott told Amber he was not married. Nikki knew Chris was married with 2 children. Amber aided the investigation where Nikki deleted all of the text messages between her and Chris.

[@xymotic]

...and the only reason she came forward is because Anadarko was contacted by the police and the company forwarded their emails to the police already. She knew they were coming to talk to her and decided to get it front of it and try to minimize her involement to them

[@sarag.7156]

Dear Dr Grande, Dr Smith and Dr Pincin, I'm so happy to see you in a new episode. To me, the main reason the Watts case became so popular, is because for the first time we have almost all the timeline's live footage (except for the homicide, luckily). Her friend talking with the cops, Watts arriving home, and so on... I remember I was stunned and terrified watching like in a live show the developing of the most horrible crime imaginable. Even the *before* was documented- by the victim. It's like fiction and reality collapses, it has something like from Philip K. Dick... (sorry for my english, I'm from Europe) Thank you again for the very interesting contents you share with us

[@sarag.7156]

OMG Mike's beard is shorter!! XO

[@sarag.7156]

Ed Gein0s house was burned down, as you can imagine by googoling the stuff they found inside- and Jeffry Dahmer's as well. (last time I add another comment, I promise XD)

[@1Robinthefastlane]

I really think that the fascination with this case is because we saw it play out on video nearly real time from Shanann arriving home, the body cam investigation, the neighbor's security video, the interrogation, confession, arrest, aftermath interviews with the mistress, plea deal and sentencing. Also, it's extremely satisfying watching him squirm on camera as the police, her friend and his neighbor figure out he is responsible right in front of him.

[@kimbyrne6715]

Amber Frey dated Scott Peterson before there was social media. She had no easy way to dispute what he told her, that he had lost his wife. Chris Watts might have told Nichol Kessinger he was divorcing his wife, but she had easy access to Shanann's social media posts. She looked her up well before she and Chris began their relationship. She cannot feign innocence in the same way Amber could.

[@kiskakuznetsova503]

Thank you, Dr G really dropped the ball on this. I'm surprised too because he usually has his facts straight.

[@lanestevens2755]

Amber is a harlot Nicole is a sweet innocent woman.

[@monicaortizdelapena8530]

@@lanestevens2755 jajajaja sure she is

[@harmony3279]

Agree.

[@harmony3279]

@@lanestevens2755 are you insane?

[@christinelamastra6954]

So happy to see you guys back at it. I don’t always agree with some of your opinions but that’s the best part to me. Different perspectives help us grow.

[@Cello-Pam]

Re public opinion of Nicole and Amber: I watched some shows on both Scott and Chris, but didn't follow everything. What sticks in my mind is that Amber was immediatly shocked and upset and Nicole immediately hopped on Google to see how she could profit

[@martinamoskale2445]

Cello Pam To me Nicole gives the impression of being callous and manipulating. She couldn't give a f... about Shannan and the girls. I even had the impression she is proud that a married man erased his family for her. Amber is either an extremely good actress or she really was very upset when she heard what Scott did to his wife/son. I give Amber the benefit of the doubt though. NK doesn't come across a likeable person. She is selfish and self-centered and every word one can think of that starts with self...!

[@loulabelle5082]

​@@martinamoskale2445but that just speculation and we are all biased now because a lady and 2 little girls died. It colours how you feel about her. We villainize her because of what happened to the family. Looking objectively at the evidence, I dont believe she had anything to do with the murders. Her behaviour afterwards might put a bad taste in people's mouths but none of us know how we would react in a situation as insane as this. And some people ARE selfish and look after their own self interests first. It's easy to dissect every little thing she does and filter it through the "dark, evil, selfish bitch" filter because we know about the dark, evil and selfish way the murders were committed. Shes not sold her story or written a book. Maybe we should give her the benefit of the doubt until she does something like that.

[@danae2882]

There is some 15 years difference between one case and the other, Googling things much more of a valuable tool for Nichole

[@TheEldritchArchives]

I would absolutely love to see you fellas do a show about flipping murder-houses! It could be called "Killer Deals" and the tagline could be "we aren't real estate agents, but we're taking a stab at it". 😁

[@Analyticalinadream]

LOL!

[@4bibimimi]

Board rules: you only get one pun and that was yours. Please abide by these rules or else we might have to come see you.

[@wlenore8071]

Omg hahah Killer Deals!!! Hahaha

[@lanestevens2755]

You must be a sadomasochistic. Sick

[@paulanichols5961]

🤣

[@melodychance9399]

Was just about to comment on Dr. Grande's channel and ask about the podcast! Really missed this show, glad to see a new episode got posted right after I got home. Thank you all once again

[@WobblezGB]

Finally! I've been waiting for this one since episode one. I can't wait to hear your guy's detailed take on this twisted case. 🙏

[@IrishTechnicalThinker]

I was really beginning to miss this round table chat and detailed discussions, then you uploaded at the perfect time. This is going to be great. Keep up the amazing work lads, thanks from Ireland.

[@katina9632]

Always love listening to you guys! Two notes/comments: 1. I think the general public liking Amber Frye and disliking Nicole Kessinger comes down to one thing that wasn’t mentioned in this episode - Amber was completely duped by Scott and believed he was unmarried, then he eventually said he was married but his wife had died. shortly after Lacey went missing, friends made her realize it was probably the same guy. Nicole on the other hand always knew Chris was married and had children and apparently didn’t care and/or believed he liked Nicole better and was going to leave his wife for her. While I don’t believe she was directly involved in what happened to those girls and Shanann, it’s not a good look to be such a willing participant in an affair. 2. You guys should look up “Nathan for You - The Ghost Realtor.” HILARIOUS!

[@GC-pq6vm]

I agree with you. Amber Frye and Scott Peterson’s affair was before a time of social media as well. If Chris told Nicole he was getting a divorce, all she had to do was look at social media. I’m sorry but these days it’s just human nature to look up your mate or their potential ex on social media (which phone records revealed she did look at Shanann’s FB page). The pregnancy reveal and all the “happy posts” would make me question if they were really separated. Who knows what he was telling Nicole, though. She also googled “will a married man leave his wife for mistress.” I don’t think she had anything to do with the crimes but I can understand how the public looks down on her.

[@boriqua5109]

@@GC-pq6vm she also lied to the detectives on multiple occasions; deleted evidence by destroying a sim, deleting texts, and having CW delete texts; and goggled information about cops recovering texts. Plus her phone pinged in Frederick the morning of the murders and she was unaccounted for until the afternoon that day when she was normally on her phone all day. And she was on the phone with CW while he talked to detectives about the case on his work phone at 2am the day after the murders.

[@madmarlowe1422]

Supposedly, Nikki Kessinger spoke frequently about Shannan's spending, including the expensive school the girls' attended. She probably made it seem that it would be cheaper and easier to dispose of his family, so she could reap the rewards. Also, it's weird that Kessinger's phone pinged in Frederick on the morning the murders took place, while she lived 25 minutes away and never took that route to work.

[@xymotic]

THIS!

[@BrandyTexas214]

She also called Jim during that time briefly that morning which I found suspicious and like Nathan says while watching the video that morning, Chris’s truck seemed to come from down the street

[@ruthsmith303]

I love the "Murder House Flipper" idea! You three simply MUST host this show!

[@MerryLore]

ROKU Channel already has Murder House Flip. They only did 3 houses, though, with Judith Barsi's house being really interesting.

[@whereismyxanax]

I would absolutely live in a murder house. I absolutely WOULD NOT live in a house with an HOA.

[@mmaidofsteel]

Great to see another upload from you guys - I'm fast burning through your episodes! I always look forward to new Dr Grande related content (and That Chapter). Thank you for helping me get through the lockdown situation we're still going through in my part of the world!

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

You guys presented so many good points. This is indeed a very puzzling case. How can a spouse go from apparently being controlled by his wife to murder his entire family and acting as if nothing happened the next day?🤔 Another important point in this case is the ultimate betrayal. I will never understand how parents can cause this much harm to their children. To me, if you cannot love and protect your own children then you cannot love anyone. Thank you for all that you do, this was a great discussion as usual. I am so glad to watch this podcast, I was sincerely missing the three of you. So nice to see you again.❤️❤️❤️

[@tassymccormick]

Thank you for blessing us with this episode. I’m obsessed with this case

[@RunningInLondon]

Gentlemen, So good to see you again. I was going through withdrawl. Proper comment to follow… now I need a coffee. Thank you for these incredible podcasts! Love from Canada 🇨🇦

[@MeiraV-]

my feelings exactly. and CHRIS WATTS no less

[@annwethenorth]

Ditto ❤️ 🇨🇦🥓

[@nicoleslachetka3215]

Dr Grande, thank you thank you for doing a pod cast on the Chris Watts case. I’m one of many (I’m sure) who requested it. I can’t wait to listen to it later today.

[@theprotector1234567]

The LaBianca House (of Manson family infamy) just sold last year with a new address. The House had been held off the market for 50+ years and is largely unchanged.

[@1Robinthefastlane]

The reason Amber is seen differently is she didn't even know he was married until Lacy went missing, let alone that Lacy was pregnant. Amber was slso instrumental in catching Scott. Nicole knew very well that Chris was married and Chris said she knew Shanann was pregnant even though she said she didn't know until the family went missing. Also, Nicole has been caught in multiple lies trying to cover her tracks.

[@dorahernandez3437]

And Amber didn't work with Scott.. she lived in a different town and she contacted the cops when she figured it out. so it was not the same at all.

[@HolyMoly432]

Yes!! This was driving me crazy! In Amber’s eyes this wasn’t an affair - it was a legitimate relationship!! Entirely different. Sorry I discovered this video a year late!

[@bearanov]

This case has me wondering about men that walk away from their family. It really had not occurred to me that some of these men may have walked away because they were about to murder their family. Generally men that abandon their family are seen as selfish and that is usually true, but considering this case and a few others....How many men have, while heading to the butcher block for a knife to destroy their family, instead have a moment of clarity and grab the keys to his truck and disappears into the world never to be heard from again?

[@deb9ragorton742]

Gee, good point, really good point....we are all human, and maybe for SOME people all they could do to be a good parent was leave before they did something worse. Yes I really wonder how often this has happened....

[@Tina06019]

Good point. Definitely better to abandon your family than to kill them!

[@karensilva8482]

Wow ! That is so interesting, this never occurred to me! Crazy to think about

[@Nous520]

Except he killed him precisely because he couldn’t be the man who walked away from his family. I get what you’re saying and it’s possibly true that some men have left before they killed their family but in this case it doesn’t tie. He was so afraid of people knowing he did wrong that he needed to shut that possibility down. He killed them simply because he’s a coward. And in the end the very thing he wanted to avoid (people thinking bad of him) drove him to do the most unthinkable thing and now everyone knows that he is worse than a man who just walks away.

[@lesliedavis3490]

Bodies decompose in crude oil. Crude oil meaning unpurified, contains many contaminants. Skin slips off quickly. The girls' autopsy reports explained some of it.

[@birdflipper]

The thing that blew my mind was when CW was watching the footage from his neighbor's security camera and when the guy turned the recording off, the screen flashed to a dark image of an unborn baby with an umbilical cord laying in some type of fluid. Chris had his hands on his head and immediately looked away when that image came on the TV. That had to totally mess with his head knowing what he had just done! The odds of that particular image showing at that exact moment is astronomical. It really makes me wonder if there was some paranormal or higher power at work there. It was definitely a "God moment"!

[@marielle4618]

That was an advertisement for the upcoming season of American Horror Story: Apocalypse

[@birdflipper]

@@marielle4618 Oh, that's what that was? I thought maybe it was a pro-life ad or something. At any rate, the timing was perfect! You could almost see the wheels turning in CW's head.

[@marielle4618]

@@birdflipper Yeah it was instense timing, it's somehow even creepier that it's an ad for a literal horror show, not something cheerful. It seems suitable.

[@gaypedersen3052]

You guys are HILARIOUS! I love this format. Very interesting and informative as well.

[@alph1057]

I’m still so addicted to this case, mainly because I lived about 25 mins from the Watts (in Longmont) and am completely familiar with the dealership where he and Shan’ann worked, Sand Dunes, etc. As a Coloradoan, I have to admit that I’m glad that my taxes no longer house him

[@SpicyGingerCat22]

Please do another question part. That video was fabulous!

[@heidig.5053]

Regarding your query: What's the difference between Amber Frey and Nicole Kessinger: I think the differences could be. . . 1.) A. Frey had a child and was looking for a husband/father, which seemed like a more wholesome and honorable intention, whereas N. Kessinger was looking for an adventure and/or husband; 2.) A. Frey did not send Peterson "erotic" photos of herself and became known (post mortem) that Peterson "seduced" her, whereas N. Kessinger did and whereby gave the impression that she seduced C. Watts ; 3.) A. Frey "believed" (because S. Peterson told her) that S. Peterson was "single", giving the impression that she was "innocent", whereas N. Kessinger "knew" that Watts was still married, albeit unhappily married/was getting divorced; 4.) A. Frey did not have access to information available via internet, e.g. Facebook, etc., whereas N. Kessinger did in 2016, thus should have had more insight into his marital status (and perhaps state of mine). Hope I wasn't way off with my analysis. Love your content.

[@BlessYourHeart254]

To address differences in public opinion about Nikki and Amber: AF didn’t know SP was married whereas NK did know CW was. In 2002, social media didn’t exist other than message boards, though the internet did. There were no smartphones, and SW lived on hers. And as y’all pointed out, AF aided in the evidence collection at risk to herself. NK went to the police and cooperated. I think the public doesn’t believe NK didn’t know SW was pregnant since she worked with CW. NK claimed to not have social media which some people all found a bit hard to believe. If people don’t believe that, then they don’t believe she didn’t see SW’s very public profile and constant live streams, though NK may have seen a couple of videos and got bored by the constant Thrive promotion. I agree that NK wasn’t involved in the homicides. I think there were some inconsistencies in NK’s stories as well. I think she first said she hadn’t been to the Watts house but later we find out that she’d been there a couple of times.

[@jillcampbell3510]

Thanks for addressing this. My thoughts exactly. Nicole may not be directly involved in the murder but I don't believe she is 100% as innocent as she says.

[@lisamatonis4579]

Don’t forget the texts she deleted, and her showing Chris how to hide photos on his phone. At the very least, she definitely knew he was married.

[@boriqua5109]

She searched SW on google almost daily. The first thing that’s going to come up is her fb which was public. She most definitely that we’re together still and that SW was pregnant. Her phone also pinged in Frederick at 6:16am the morning of the murders (the only other times her phone pinged there was when her and CW both confirmed that she had went over there). On top of all that she lied to the detective multiple times, deleted all her messages and googled thinngs like “can police recover deleted texts” and she destroyed one of her SIM cards. That behavior is highly suspect and is exactly why ppl accuse of her of having some involvement. She’s nothing at all like AF who just an innocent victim.

[@marinad8715]

@boriqua510 some of the reasons people think NK was involved was because CW got an alert message on his phone when at the batteries at work to say the inside hall door which opened into the garage was opened around noon - who was in the house!!!

[@sr5242]

You guys are like a study in ADHD, you remind me of myself in how I start on one topic and somehow manage to end up on 15 different tangents 😂

[@oceanstaiga5928]

I swear you guys read my mind or something, whenever I think man I’d really enjoy a new episode you upload one!

[@handle1988]

Missed you, folks! Thank you for another awesome part.

[@birdflipper]

This video should be sponsored by a beard grooming company. 🧔

[@marielle4618]

Suggest it to the Bearded Stag, I'm sure they'd be on board.

[@fernalicious]

Love listening during work, makes the time go by fast. Thanks! 👍👨‍⚕️👍

[@lesliedavis3490]

This is the male versiom of the old SNL skit with the NPR New England ladies.

[@suzf5045]

Yesssss! So excited to hear everyone’s opinions on this case! Thank you for the upload! 🙏

[@jessyc4092]

With this new guy of interest in the Delphi case, I'd love to see you guys pick that one apart!

[@annal7364]

Glad you're back! I missed you boys! 😉

[@ohheymitch1621]

I yelled “YES!!!!“ when I saw it was Chris Watts. Thank you guys for always providing great content, sarcasm, and different perspectives on cases!

[@yogadork_namaste]

Uh oh down this rabbit hole, again. I think the reason it blew up was the sheer amount of footage. Who else has so much body footage of someone's mannerisms merely hours after murdering and dumping his wife and babies? Then the interrogations and polygraph footage, the 3 interviews with his mistress. There's just so much to visually and audibly consume that it was utterly fascinating for those of us in the true crime community who really want to understand wtf is going on with people who would do all that.

[@caitopotato5519]

Drinking game: take a shot whenever Dr. Grande criticizes polygraph examinations 😂

[@gwendolynkaren5933]

Take another shot every time he says this case is so uninteresting

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

The town of Amityville actually passed laws to make it illegal to turn the home into a tourist attraction or any sort of business that capitalizes on the story of the house. Also, IIRC, the Borden murders occurred in 1892. I lived in a home in MA which was originally built in 1747, and it had no hallways and no closets. Very odd and disconcerting to live in a house with just rooms and no hallways or closets.

[@inannanightingale9718]

A guy I used to work with came to work one day with an article from the newspaper. A picture of his house was accompanied by a story all about horrible murders which took place in his house years ago. He had no idea until he saw it in the news! I guess many people will never know if things like that happened in their homes.

[@euenfheiejrj]

I thought that needed to be disclosed.

[@gwendolynkaren5933]

The children's bedroom doors were kept locked . no girl walked in and saw him killing her mother

[@blueeyedwolf2205]

The one reason the Watts case became so huge is her almost continual use of social media. We have dozens and dozens of videos of Shannan, her kids and Chris. You feel like you actually know her. Also, the day to day goings on with them as a married couple with young kids and a huge house made people able to relate to them as well. It was also Chris's complete "normalcy" that really catapults this into the exceptional realm. You would just have never seen this coming. There wasn't a drop of hostility coming from him on the surface, although an astute observer could detect his rebellion in very subtle facial expressions as Shannan talked on. But for the most part, they just seemed like a very normal, successful couple whose lives were being broadcast almost constantly...which I think contributed to him finally blowing.

[@ZombieMiezz]

Nah the police department was also quick to release all bodycam & interrogation footage - that's why it became so huge. Normally these things happen and you wait years before any footage is released if they release it at all. Also Shannan's best friend who was aware of Chris odd behavior did anything she could to get the media attention on him & the case. She put him under pressure before the detectives even interrogated him. Scheduled TV interviews for him that he didn't wanted to do. The media was big on this one because she was a missing pregnant women. And after Chris interrogation it was huge on news because it was so cruel.

[@kateashby3066]

Well she was very narcissistic and he was the classic submissive (one person in the relationship has to be if the other is a narcissist). That doesn’t mean they like being a doormat, they just don’t have the tools to assert themselves. Eventually these types will snap if pressure builds enough. I’m not saying she deserved to die, but I can see their relationship dynamic clear as day in their vids and it’s super unsettling. She was fake as hell to sell her image as a MLM higher-up and it was his job to maintain that image by being the perfect hubby on camera.

[@kateashby3066]

@@ZombieMiezzagreed! We live in a day and age where cameras are EVERYWHERE. I didn’t watch her on social media at all and if I had (before recently) I would have despised her. She was a very fake person. It was the fact that everything was recorded plus the story itself that made it world-wide news.

[@joshthemediocre7824]

Also Nikki had Facebook, Shannon had a Facebook where she talked about her family everyday..there is no way she didn't know him and his wife were still together regardless of what he may have told her about it. I think Nikki is the 2nd most evil person in this story.

[@inannanightingale9718]

One big difference between Amber Fry and NK is that Amber Fry had no idea Scott had a wife. She was in a different state and they met while he was visiting interstate. He told Amber that he had been married but his wife died and the christmas coming up was going to be his first without his wife. She learnt the truth on the news when she saw his story and immediately contacted police and co-operated. That probably plays a big part in why people see Amber Fry as more of a victim... because Scott just outright lied to her and she didn't know a wife existed. The fact that he told her his wife was dead and it would be his first Christmas without her when Lacey was still alive is part of what made him look so dodgy. It sure was his first Christmas without his wife, but at that stage he had no way of knowing that unless he had plans.

[@wts7273]

Hilarious that Mike goes off on how ridiculous it is that the police mispronounce Shananns name yet at 23:30 he does the same thing and continues to do so LOL!!!

[@MitchellJRo]

I think Bella needs an on screen cameo sometime. I have a picture in my head of what this dog looks like and I want to see her 😭

[@barbaravyse660]

I always thought Bella was his daughter. About 10 years ago, I adopted a dog and without giving it much thought I named her Bella. Ever since then, that name has become super popular for pets and girls.

[@MitchellJRo]

@Steev Thompson Bella as in the Bella on Bella Grande media lmao

[@MitchellJRo]

@Steev Thompson but yes they actually did have a dog you can see on the body cam

[@debs7368]

Much better entertainment than a Sunday Netflix movie. Thanks guys. Hope to see another episode sooner, rather than later. 😊❤️

[@katheryn8272]

Imagine this case without the social media presence of Shanann. This case wouldn’t have received the popularity it did.

[@kateashby3066]

I disagree. It’s almost the same case as Scott Peterson- who killed his pregnant wife and it was all over media every day, and took place long before social media took off. Granted, this case was recorded on home cameras and body cameras as well as social media form the start- but it still would have garnered nation wide attention considering a pregnant wife and two cute girls were missing.

[@katheryn8272]

@@kateashby3066 Not at all the same. Chris Watts killed his family and they were found and he confessed within 5 days. No trial. Laci was missing for approximately 4 months and Scott wasn’t arrested for 4 months. He claims his innocence to this day. Shanann was very public with her life and had a lot of social media presence. Her FB videos were posted everywhere, with all kinds of analysis about their relationship and personal lives for months.

[@ajithfernando1702]

Thank you for the show guys. I'm sick of Chris Watts, but you brought a new perspective to it. Again, hi from Queensland Australia....😂😁😋🤗🤗

[@barbaravyse660]

The big difference between Nichole and Amber is that there was no social media during the Scott Peterson case. So we never had a chance to see any videos or social media posts or internet searches like we did with Nichole.

[@rossini55]

I think what makes the Chris Watts case particularly fascinating is the amount of post-crime video coverage of the case from basically beginning to end. Within only 10 hours of these terrible crimes being committed you see bodycam footage of Chris's first engagement with Law Enforcement, the neighbour's CCTV and Watt's reaction, through to his awkward conversations with the detectives, the crime scene, the car-crash media interviews, the interrogations, polygraph, confession, and arrest. All released with a matter of weeks. This amount of publicly available footage is unprecedented and provides an insight into human behaviour, choice of language, body language, investigative techniques, that can be pored over and analysed by professionals as almost a textbook example of how a killer unwittingly gives himself away by his choice of words and his subconscious behaviour. It's almost as if you were a detective in the case. This whole case and its coverage opened a window to the public, into the dark side of the human mind, and with Chris Watts being such an open book as you watch him exhibit every red flag of guilt known to investigators, you get to see a man slowly hammer the nails into his own coffin. Disturbing yet interesting in equal measure.

[@MeganVictoriaKearns]

Chris' truck did not fit into the garage. Shan'ann made him park on the street because she didn't want oil leaking onto the driveway. If she came home and his truck was not parked on the street, she would have been pissed.

[@sn1000k]

How do you know?

[@MeganVictoriaKearns]

I wish I had a specific source to cite here, but I have studied this case for years and have read/seen so many sources. I absolutely have heard from at least 2 sources about the truck and how he wasn't allowed to park in the driveway. Nickole Atkinson said that Shan'ann also didn't like his truck in the driveway because he left early for work and the truck would wake up the girls because their bedrooms were directly over the garage. As far as the truck being too long to fit in the garage all the way, Chris said that in his police interview.

[@tara2072]

So glad you guys are back!!

[@ash-is-napping]

I agree with your summations: the girlfriend is not guilty. People want her to be because she is the other woman, and we all have some ingrained misogyny, plus we want to believe we can trust our spouse. Chris is not a psychopath, he is just a normal guy who did something really really horrible to his family and was luckily interrupted before he could hide a lot of the evidence.

[@toni3270]

Right.....I agree with you; Also all these arm chair detectives that are so convinced otherwise is ridiculous imo; I believe if LE thought she was involved in the actual murders they would have found out by now; I think these people are just here to make money and feel popular, because they always seem to mention having certain credentials related to LE or brag about many important or well paying jobs they have, although I can't see that, since they spend an awful lot of time on this case; I do believe that NK definitely tried hard to play down their affair and disassociate herself from CW, but other than that I feel she was just naive and made some poor decisions, although CW did lie to everybody!

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Hello dear ones!💕💕💕 So pleased to see this upload, I have been missing you.❤️ Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on this tragic case. Mike- I love the shirt! 🙌🏼

[@karynparsons6545]

Hi chaps..wondered when you might be tubing again. Thank you for your insight and witty repertoire. Loving your work. Take care🙏

[@thisinhumanplace2037]

Omg thank you so much Ive been waiting for this one ahhh!!

[@MsWaggydog]

Great to see you guys again!

[@suegardner]

What a coincidence ! I was looking for a new murder part last night, I settled for listening to Ramirez again so this is excellent timing

[@diannastafford1241]

I would love to see Bella. She sounds like she wants to get in on the conversation❣️

[@wlenore8071]

Omg I died laughing at Murder Home Flippers!

[@snow999]

Hot damn! Just yesterday I made a comment that my fingers were crossed for a new Murder Part! Can’t wait to watch this!

[@lc2962]

Good episode! Glad you’re back.

[@karalekuse8590]

Great to have this podcast back! In regards to the bodies in the oil barrels, I would imagine it acts as a preservative due to absence of air. So probably one of the worse places to hide a body since it would prevent or at least prolong the time for decay. Really not a master criminal in any sense In terms of items, how about that little kids sofa that Chris described that the girls would sit on and play on.

[@agostinodublino1387]

thank you, I tried to google it but I couldn't...

[@marielle4618]

Crude oil has a very high acidity, it would have destroyed evidence fairly quickly. If they had been undiscovered a week or more, there's a good chance they'd be gone.

[@woadxqueen666]

Dr grandes laugh when you brought up murder house flipping was so wholesome omg

[@EmGee410]

I was born and raised in Fall River Massachusetts, I don’t currently live in the city but I live outside the city in Attleboro now, but if you guys come up we’d be happy to have you up here and tell you all the tales of the city! We have other famous cases in the area, actually a few. Carl Drew (see book “Mortal Remains: A True Story of Ritual Murder” (Fall River), the first ever televised trial of “The Big Dan” case with Cheryl Arujo (New Bedford), as well as Aaron Hernandez (Foxboro / Attleboro / Fall River). Many famous (infamous?) cases ‘round these parts - all in Bristol County / Fall River MA court house - not just Lizzie Borden. Each can be found online with documentaries, books, docu-series, etc. You could do a whole series on the area! ❤️

[@laurawebb9143]

I haven't listened yet, but I'm looking forward to it. I'm drawn to this case because it feels close to home; Chris Watts could be my husband. We know that men kill their female partners, but we often reassure ourselves that we'd know if we were at risk. We think, "That wouldn't be me; I'd leave at the first sign of trouble". Despite statistics showing that 45 of the 91 women whose current or former partners killed them in the UK in 2018 were the victims of a perpetrator with no record of violence against women, we tell ourselves that statistics don't tell the whole story: we'd 'know' if our partner was 'bad'. It was probably evident to these victims, we think. The guys must have shown their underlying evil natures; the victims were naive to think it wouldn't end badly. We're stronger than that, we tell ourselves: we'd leave. Even if we didn't leave, it wouldn't surprise us: we can feel safe. This case had a terrorising effect on women by undermining these feelings of safety and security at home. KZbin videos of Chris and Shannan together allowed us to really feel and believe that there aren't always signs of trouble, in a way other cases hadn't done. Before the Chris Watts case, I thought I'd 'know' if my husband was a risk to my children or me. I watched the couple's interactions with each other and their children, desperately trying to find signs of bad character or dangerous intent, only to confirm that there were none. Some commentators maintain their false beliefs using spurious arguments based on criticisms of Shannan: "My husband would never kill me because I'm more submissive; less demanding; more thrifty". Others try desperately to implicate other 'evil' actors: "We can indeed tell if someone's 'bad'! Chris looked 'good' because he was good. If we had had the chance to observe the real baddie, we'd have been able to see their evil nature, right enough!". I understand why they delude themselves. The chances are, we're not going to be murdered by our partners, but it felt good to feel confident about this without resorting to a mantra about prevalence stats.

[@juneshay608]

Wow, this is a great comment. Thank you for sharing it. It really provides a lot of insight into the viciousness of some women regarding this case, whether directed at Shannan or Nicole. You’ve helped make more sense of it for me, thanks! Hope you’re having a good weekend.

[@laurawebb9143]

@@juneshay608 Thank you, June, this is good to hear.

[@kiskakuznetsova503]

I love your comment, you will be SO disappointed in this waste of time they put together on this complex, important case. They totally phoned it in and had basic facts wrong (unlike Grande ...). To think that a mental health counselor actually suggested that Shannan drove Chris to cheat. She married a weak man (who acted like a strong one to woo her into marriage) and had no idea he was so weak that he would see murder as his only "escape", that was all she did.

[@millhousemillard2140]

She knew he was married. She googled Shannan about a year before her and Chris dated. She's crazy. Amber Frye didn't know Scott Peterson was married and Peterson did that to multiple women.

[@GC-pq6vm]

I’ve read and watched everything about this case. I’m here for the Bella Grande take on it!

[@samslost6011]

My guess in regards to her name is that she was a part of several pyramid schemes and the different pronunciation was just advertising

[@AmberPearcy]

Welcome back, guys! Can’t wait to get into this.

[@ellenthom34]

It lives in because the police did an inadequate job interrogating the mistress. While the crime and criminal would live in infamy it is uncertainty of the mistress's involvement which spurs people on. Didn't know you were on this channel,Dr. Grande.

[@extraandy118]

Always enjoy your videos! Thank you

[@salsingleton6175]

I’m not sure how it would complicate the sale of this murder house. But Shannan’s parents have a Lien on this house which would also have to be paid. Not sure of the amount but it was a large amount. Tks for the video. 😻

[@VIGUISEX3]

I had been waiting for it

[@roxie30673]

So not to troll or anything but since you were talking about whether or not crude oil is caustic. Chris in one of the interrogations is explaining to Tammy why he carried a change of clothes, he says “ if you get that stuff on your skin” and then he fades off… I always thought that was his intention with those girls. The oil would dissolve the bodies. Maybe he even thought he would have time to as grisly as this sounds he would dispose of Shan’an in the batteries as well. He was counting on having more time before she was noticed missing.

[@marimar2525]

She may not have assisted Chris in killing his family but she manipulated him like crazy and out the pressure on. She was In their house.

[@xymotic]

+1

[@SeaBlue1976]

I am so ready for this analysis.💙

[@hairyliterary]

THEYRE BACK! what a great way to cap off a Saturday night

[@mcooper7977]

Interesting case analysis and great to see you all back again! We missed you! Ariel Castro who held captive 3 girls for a decade would be another interesting case analysis it its of interest (I think they dozed this house too).

[@bo77as66]

You should definitely cover the Bever case, the house did burn down and was very suspicious. It’s now a park.

[@132allie]

I think that the reason this case is so popular is because Shannan’s media presence. People feel like they knew the family, and Chris looked like a perfect, loving family man who adored his children. Also, there was no trial and no evidence. The case doesn’t feel like it’s been closed and people feel that many questions haven’t been answered.

[@triciajohnston8259]

I believe that Shanann’s family has a civil case against Chris and therefore has a huge lien against the property. So, it’s not selling due to the liens that are attached. Someone correct me if this has been updated

[@yogadork_namaste]

Tammy Lee was Colorado bureau of investigation and Graham was FBI.

[@lishol7]

The reason this case has had so much exposure is because there was so much visual content through social media. The Netflix documentary had everything visually recorded.

[@irenegriffin3050]

Was wondering where you guys were! And here you are with a 2 hr episode! :-)

[@Cello-Pam]

Jeff: We can still flip it! Lol!!! Loved the show. Thanks!

[@alexisalexi5161]

Watching the entire thing from body cam all the way thru to confession was something I had never seen before. That is what drew me in.

[@MeiraV-]

QUESTION: Can you guys talk about the phenomenon of getting into the office one's therapist and your mind goes blank, you can think of nothing to say?

[@leveragestyle]

KEY points to add to this brilliant discussion & convo: -Reason he did not park the truck in the garage was because SW would not allow it because it would wake up the kids in the morning when he left. As stated by her friends. CW was not allowed to park the truck in the garage nor would it have fit in there w/ all their multilevel marketing crap accumulated in both parts of the garage. The kids bedroom were directly above the garage so since he had to make it look like they were still there and everything was normal that morning he had to park it on the street. 1. He premeditated the children unfortunately in his own words in a 2nd confession & in Cadle’s letters he thinks to himself the Saturday night before putting children to bed “he was relieved as it would be the last time he would put them to bed” no remorse no empathy. 2. Additionally the children to him are seen as liability w/ both having medical issues and problems arising from extreme hospital bills, as shown in financial documents. Some profilers say that in the mind of the perp he is saving them from torment by the act of murder etc. 3. I was hoping that you 3 would discuss the psychological aspects of the photo that that was texted shortly before SW return from NC w/ the baby doll and the orange sheet over it looking like a dead body covered by a sheet that CW texted to Shannon. That she then put on to FB and commented she has no idea how to take this. Was this a Freudian type slip that CW was amping up and getting excited for the plan? 4. The CC charge at the lazy dog w/ NK was intentional in his own words he knew at that point what he was planning to do, because he had arranged w/ a co-worker to take over his job on Friday at a location far remote on Monday, so CW says he just used the card knowing he wouldn’t have real consequences after that Monday. Previously he had used Anadarko gift cards on NK dates which were pre paid cards not traceable. Again a question is how was he rewarded these since NK was in safety compliance and that’s how you could possible earn these cards from the job. 5. Was hoping you would discuss his actions minutes and hours after the crime as a psychological profile: A) He texted a RealEstate agent about selling the house and actually drove to the location on his way home (verified by his truck data) to an address the RealEstate agent said was a similar home on the market pricewise. It is here he disposed of articles in his car and also where dogs were brought and alerted to but the handler thought it was the field across from the house and not the trash container that the dogs were alerting to. Also un-enrolling his kids from Primrose school that day, prematurely anticipating the kids would not return. - the convo he had w/ NK about pawning the wedding ring, he seemed willing to do it right away… 7. Vivint security cameras inside the house and in the garage. Those have never been fully released. In the Discovery there are records of the length CW went to to hide his actions including disabling the garage sensor ( he had a phone call w/ a Vivint rep) every time he moved the car from inside it should have alerted SW, instead he parked the car most of the time outside of the house while she was gone to NC. So it looked like the car never moved out if the house meanwhile he was driving it and staying w/ NK. Theres so much more to the deceit ! Also it is plausible that CBI received the actual footage from the house that day but never released it because there wasn’t a trial. In many police camera shots you can clearly see a Vivint camera in the garage. Outside of the door were you enter from the house. 8. The secret calculator app: that’s why he took so much media and consumed so much NK media directly on his personal phone (found in discovery) in a secret app that allowed photos etc to be hidden, even if SW looked at his phone. 6. The statement from NK about Chris FaceTiming w/ her that night after the murders and just starting at her to the point where she felt uncomfortable, possible a psycho stare ? Thanks for dissecting ! After examining the publicly available info in the case including the release from law enforcement/ text records etc 100% he alone planned haphazardly for the end result. Although I do think there are unanswered questions about exactly how it went down from the time SW walked in the door.

[@xymotic]

great data!

[@lorrainemosley821]

I think the case is fascinating because of how much was released to the public so quick and the interrogation was a good watch.. the fbi interrogators hit it out of the park

[@egyptia]

Okay, sliding into the comments just to say Mr. Mom was such an awesome movie! And the Michael Keaton/Nicole Kidman tear jerker was called My Life. Sobbed from start to finish...Love him. He's a brilliant actor.

[@robinmaynard1640]

The difference between Nikki and Amber is that Amber was truly appalled and wanted to help. Nikki was only concerned for herself. While I do understand that law enforcement has ruled out Nikki's involvement, I have not. Her statements are contradicted by her search history, her demeanor is so self serving, and thus doubt is created. Plus the laugh. In contrast Amber seemed unselfish and transparent.

[@xymotic]

Once they got his confession, they stopped asking. it was in a press conference and the reporters directly asked the question.

[@jonesfuture]

Glad to see you guys are getting some good views 😃

[@christinley5213]

Sooo happy to see uns again:) i think the short vid about the 3d prints would b awesome!!! Do you use seritech resin? Your prints always look amazing!!! I vote on the fb f:) this was a good episode..always happy to see my 3 shrinks:)

[@PaganGrace]

Mike is super funny! Field trip?! When did we ever discuss field trips? I never agreed to any field trip? I can barely handle these 3D printouts!

[@kimmymarky9538]

Oh wow I’m so glad I found this! I didn’t know Dr Grande did a colab this is really cool. I appreciate everything you guys said and I agree with a lot of the points you all made. I wanted to say though I think the difference with Nicole and amber Frey is that when the situation happened with Amber Fry that was before social media and before Facebook and all the different platforms so I don’t believe Amber Fry really could have the resources or access to check if Scott Peterson was married or not and plus she lived in Modesto California wasn’t Lacey and Scott either from a different part of California or a different state I can’t remember but I know they did not live close to Amber. Nicole could easily check if Chris Watts was married and Even though he said they were going to get separated it was obvious by Facebook that his wife thought otherwise.