Scott Peterson Case Analysis | The Murder Part #4

[@andreakoroknai1071]

Who else is binging this podcast since finding out about it?

[@jpincinjr]

Appreciate the binging and the watching :)

[@silverbullett6684]

No fair! I got called into work. Now I can't binge the podcasts. I just wanna win the big lottery and binge my days away! 😄

[@lyndao7356]

I never new there was any controversy about Scott Peterson's guilt. I was as interested at the time as anybody else and the evidence seemed to fall into place. I did realize that the press was going more wild than usual & that was different, I wondered how they thought to focus on this murder when spouses murdering each other happens probably more than we know, but the evidence certainly seemed to point to him. I guess I missed something..

[@betterbee1304]

Me. In-between school and work. Love your podcast Dr. Grande! ❤️

[@piparalegal2019]

Me! Pretty much all day, as I have nothing to do since I'm on medical leave.

[@tracievendetta1908]

Laci and Connor were found in the bay he went “fishing” in. He sold her car. Tried putting the house up for sale in the first week she was missing fully furnished and put a bunch of stuff in Connors nursery. Bought his boat a day or two after telling Amber he lost his wife. He went golfing. He went fishing. Couldn’t keep his stories straight. He’s so guilty!!

[@rainydayjane8257]

Exactly!!

[@charliehume5342]

Not to mention his happy call to his mistress from "Paris" during the vigil for his missing wife and child Its not just because he's unfaithful that people reasonably believe hes their murderer I appreciate the contrarian view that keeps us honest but where there's smoke (and smoke and more smoke) there's fire..

[@cookinglivewithlala]

@@charliehume5342 Yeah, that was really disgusting wasn't it? He was so torn up by her disappearance not to mention his unborn child.

[@DaniL-hr9xo]

Somebody could be an a**hole and not a killer. Also, beside what our opinions are, there is not enough evidence to consider him guilty beyond reasonable doubt. That's a fact.

[@GC-pq6vm]

I mean, if he’s innocent, that’s an incredible amount of coincidences!

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

“Why would a burglar kill anybody when we have a serial cheater....”😂😂😂😂 You guys are too funny.😅

[@MichaelSmith-jd5ki]

We do all our own jokes, too. We definitely don't have a writing team. Wait... that might seem a bit dodgy and suspicious. I'll have to tell the writers to edit that...

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

@@MichaelSmith-jd5ki Lol..😂😅 Please don’t hesitate to share all your jokes! Also Michael, you seem to have an extensive movie knowledge. I enjoy when you bring them up.😉

[@lauraburger1272]

I think you should probably know this due to the fact that you are counselors but the number one cause of women’s deaths while they are pregnant is homicide by their boyfriend or spouse.

[@themysteryofbluebirdboulevard]

Oh. Well that's proof. Case closed

[@Sky-rs5cc]

This one was interesting because I’ve never heard the arguments against guilt on this case. This podcast didn’t have the same old discussion I’ve heard many times before.

[@kilnmaster]

He's innocent

[@janewright315]

There was one other YTber that covered it that does a good job making it clear just how uncertain his guilt is...don't remember who now, maybe that chapter? Most I've seen since really don't seem to do very complete coverage

[@lauraburger1272]

My goodness you can’t figure this out? There is so much trash in that bay. the baby picked up all that trash, the tape got hung around its neck and so on and so forth…there’s so much trash that’s all along where is the baby was found!

[@lauraburger1272]

All the excuses that you have for Scott Peterson and for what he had in his car after his arrest and why his hair was dyed, why he had this and that is absolute rubbish you ought to be ashamed of yourself! JC!

[@lauraburger1272]

… OMG!!! He’s never been a fucking mountain climber!!! Have you lost your MIND???!!!!!

[@jasmine1941]

Love this podcast! I’ve listened to almost every episode within the past week. Very interesting insights. However, I do feel like Mike needs to stop cutting Jeff and Dr. Grande off in the middle of their sentences. We want to hear what they have to say!

[@rainydayjane8257]

When Scott told his mistress his wife had died a few weeks before she was murdered...not a coincidence in my mind.

[@tdali8347]

Yep. And he bought the boat soon after that lie to Amber that his wife was dead.

[@Amazing_missB]

There are many details that the therapists left out. I’m a bit surprised they are willing to discuss cases without throughly researching the details. I’m a bit sad that this podcast seems to be sacrificing quality for churning out content.

[@Preservestlandry]

Or he was lying because Amber was confronting him. And he's a big fat lying liar. And he didn't expect to date Amber forever because she's a booty call. So he could tell any lie he wanted. Or Amber lied and he never said that. Only 2 people know what was said, and he didn't testify.

[@fka322]

@@Preservestlandry In one of the phone recordings with Amber Frey, Scott confirmed he had told her Laci died.

[@buttchug44]

Thee best podcast about this case. Unbiased representation of evidence discussed between a group of intelligent and respectful people.

[@JWBruh-qi1yx]

The way they stay respectful and reliable while also maintaining their personalities makes me so happy 🥰 I love that we dont have to settle for entertainment or information and get both!

[@nadiaseedat5828]

Enjoying this podcast. I do think Mike just talks too much and over others. He’s interesting, but it is a little annoying. I’d like to hear from everyone else.

[@sn1000k]

He's a know-it-all. It's more than a little annoying. His constantly speaking in the first person - he's like "oh, I'm the suspect and I'm thinking [blah blah]" every two minutes.

[@cheridehart7771]

I used to listen to meditation videos to go to sleep to, now I listen to Bell Grande Video. Dr. Grande has a perfect voice as does Michael and Jeff. It is long enough to keep me interested until I fall asleep.

[@ashley-bd5ik]

Definitely love this show so far, but if I may I would like to give some constructive criticism as this podcast grows. I know some have already mentioned the setup, so I won’t mention that. What I will say is, though I love the dynamic of you three, it often feels like Mike is dominating the conversation. Jeff is obviously the quietest of the three, so it’s a bit of a treat when he starts to speak up. So it is a little disappointing when Mike cuts him off. Again, I am big fan of this podcast and of Dr. Grande, and I don’t wish to offend. Just wanted to share my perspective as a listener because I know Mike is clearly kind person and is not actively trying to take over. Looking forward to listening to more!

[@shirleysue228]

ashley, Totally agree with you Love this podcast, however, Mike, please let Dr. Grande finish what he's trying to say without interrupting.

[@shirleysue228]

Dr. Grande has " the patience of Job."

[@larrydale7412]

yeah..i drive around with my brothers license all the time!!! C"mon Man!!

[@angelcitystudio]

with bleached hair, a bleached beard, and a big wad of cash.

[@ginashemeth7708]

So true that there is no grey area with this case. He did it or he didn't. Years later and so many people are still talking about it, like it happened just yesterday. You guys are fabulously fantastic! Seriously I listen to each episode twice. The first time is at night ,and I usually fall asleep, and then again in the morning when I go out for my walk around town when it's nice and quiet before the rush of cars and people. 🌵👽🌵

[@mistameanor1]

I like this show. And I’m certainly not saying this to be rude, but Mike sure talks a lot. I like him, and his enthusiasm. But he sort of takes over and we don’t get to hear enough from the others.

[@ScottishLad66]

Yes! The George Carlin bit is amazing! "Hit a ball with a crooked stick...then walk after it! You're lucky you found the damn thing, pick it up, put in your pocket and go the hell home!" 😂

[@cathyd74]

I recommend The Behavior Panel video on this case.

[@jpincinjr]

I like watching their analysis on people even if the research on body language may not support everything they do. They draw attention to behavior patterns that I never would have thought about.

[@cookinglivewithlala]

I love the Behavior Panel. They are fantastic!

[@mistylm2365]

Really? They all had the same opinion. It’s like an echo chamber of already questionable analyses.

[@therealdeal3672]

WTF?!?! Seven other pregnant women went missing around the same time and area as Lacey Peterson??! I can't pick my jaw up off the ground. Why haven't we heard more about those missing women and the one that was found? I have never heard that information! I'm glad for you guys to cover these cases if you're providing so much new information that most people haven't been able to consider. That is mind-blowing and horrifying!

[@mauiswift6391]

Probably not true that’s why.

[@therealdeal3672]

@@mauiswift6391 well, I will say that other things that I've seen about Peterson make me feel confident that he is correctly convicted.

[@sophie8394]

This "missing/murdered pregnant women" story is garbage. No connection whatsoever to what happened to Laci. The Peterson family focuses on one of these in their one-sided mockumentary, the case of Alice Sin. What they don't tell you is that her bf Raymond Wong was convicted of her murder in 2015...2 yrs before the documentary even aired.

[@therealdeal3672]

@@sophie8394 yes, in the year since I wrote that comment I have become aware that Peterson was really the only suspect. I'm confident he's guilty.

[@luminouskaleidoscope73]

In general, I like these podcasts, but the way that the guy in the middle takes up for Scott Peterson is quite disturbing. It doesn't sound like playing Devils Advocate at all, more like he is outraged on his behalf. I feel that women have a very different perspective on this case than men. There's no doubt in my mind that he is guilty.

[@mistylm2365]

Well for sm1 who might think he is innocent, it is a huge tragedy, and it means her real killer maybe on the loose.

[@denisew3631]

So... I'm about to make a negative comment (I hope I don't get trolled too hard). I feel like Mike isn't letting anyone else get a word in, in either of the 3 podcasts that I've seen so far. It's actually annoying me to the point that I may not be able to watch any other of these podcasts; which is shame because I'm a huge Dr. Grande fan.

[@SusansHappyHomestead]

It’s not just you. I got to 55 minutes and decided enough was enough.

[@Sky-rs5cc]

I don’t think the problem is Mike is talking too much, but maybe Dr. Grande and Jeff are not talking enough. I think Mike presents a lot of great info. I’m loving this podcast so far & looking forward to seeing how it evolves.

[@SusansHappyHomestead]

@@Sky-rs5cc He can’t get a word out because every time he opens his mouth to speak Mr Beard talks over him. That’s not “podcast etiquette”. In situations similar to this… not that I’m diagnosing, the podcast fails.

[@Sky-rs5cc]

@@SusansHappyHomestead lol well I’m glad you’re not diagnosing. I see your point. I’m sure they’ll get better with the podcast format over time. I’m definitely biased since I’m already a Dr. Grande fan.

[@cindym4804]

@Denise W - you stated exactly what I was thinking and I'm a huge Dr. Grande fan also. IMHO, two are attempting discussion - which I love, one is not just dominating the conversation not really allowing for exploration of the others' input - I think if this group plans to continue the conversational balance needs to be recalibrated.

[@leannemo7382]

It’s really great to find another excellent, fair discussion about this emotionally charged case. ☺️

[@corsimrealestate4124]

Maybe dr Grande is glad to rest a little bit when Mike is taking over :)

[@deviousdoll82]

If this beard guy wanted to hear himself talk about Scott, he should've got his own podcast. How rude? I'm surprised Dr Grande gets the occasionally word in. I feel bad for the other guy. He got 10 words in over 2 hrs?

[@Plantbliss]

Middle guy needs to be more aware of not talking over or interrupting and all three have a more equal time talking

[@wts7273]

The guy in the middle saying it’s no need to panick when your wife is missing… saying he would be calm…. It’s Christmas Eve. They had plans. She’s pregnant. Any protective man/husband would be VERY concerned.

[@nicoles7800]

The book Gone Girl was NOT published in 2002 it was 2012! Please don’t put your name to this podcast Dr Grande unless it is very well researched. Scott Peterson’s upbringing was not good . His Mother displayed many hallmarks of psychopathy. His own sister wrote a book about him called Blood Brother. Anyone who loves their 8 1/2 months pregnant wife would freak out if she was missing for even an hour without her dog! I have read the court transcripts & autopsy reports and there was not tape on Connor’s body. Middle guy is ruining the panel with his domination and disrespect

[@mistylm2365]

I have heard about this tape from multiple stories. Where did you get the autopsy?

[@mleslielesliechiplis3648]

Denise W is correct. I do not want to stop watching this program but, Mike is taking over the program. I hope this stops.

[@andreakoroknai1071]

hundreds of pregnant women walking golden retrievers 😂😂

[@nicoles7800]

This podcast has tremendous potential. However it is being ruined by the middle guy’s domination in every episode. Frankly you only have an audience because of Dr Grande. I am not alone in being frustrated by not hearing enough from Dr Grande & your other panelist. A lack of hard investigation of some of these subjects is disappointing. Someone needs to have read every reputable book on the subject at least

[@ZombieMiezz]

I think the suspicion with Scott ordering the adult channels shortly after Lacy's disapperance comes from the notion that you wouldn't do stuff like that unless you are pretty sure your spouse doesn't return. If he would be hopeful that she's alive and returned he wouldn't want to have an argument with her why he ordered porn while she's missing. He knew she was gone forever.

[@Preservestlandry]

You can cancel anytime. I mean I know it's weird, but it's not irreversible. If he did something not so private, that he could be er hide, like Amber moved in or something, I'd be more suspicious.

[@mistylm2365]

It’s also possible that some people do not carry so much shame for their desire to watch porn, even if your partner is uncomfortable with it. I don’t think it means anything. It’s also possible that he is somewhat of sex addict.

[@cynthiaonofrio9203]

Too many coincidences .

[@charlesrowley1657]

Lol

[@Amazing_missB]

I’m sorry to criticize, but I found the exercise in critical thinking done by Mike to be disrespectful to Laci and those who supported her. I think you need to do much more background research before you argue on the side of innocence of someone convicted of murder. I totally understand the intellectual merits of critically looking at the case- but you are talking about a murdered person and her baby. I’ve seen you all argue for the guilt of those who are still legally innocent as they await trial (as they most likely are), BUT I think you need to be much more careful once the case has gone though the full legal process.

[@CR-ce5lf]

YES. I was very annoyed listening to him speak because I'm like ... this woman is dead, why are you going so hard to say this man is innocent, trying to explain things that seem suspicious instead of saying its suspicious as hell! What happened to Laci and her child is beyond sad and there has to be compassion when talking about what happened, including discussing things Scott did that was plain WRONG.

[@Amazing_missB]

@@CR-ce5lf I like Dr. Grande, and I’m sure his co- host are great therapist- but the panel with seems lacking in expertises in criminal behavior or who has worked in the justice system. I’ve given the podcast a good chance, listening to many of the episodes, but they don’t have much insight, psychological or otherwise, and are just some people with a passing interest that know Dr. Grande and have happened to come across a ready-made audience. I normally wouldn’t be so harsh, but because they already have the potential viewership of Dr.Grande’s channel, I would have hoped they would be more knowledgeable about the subjects and provide legitimate expertise. So far, it’s just three people who happen to be therapists taking about true crime.

[@teresasanchezvalle8447]

It is very disturbing that a criminal case with so many loose ends has ended in a death sentence.

[@tladyUK]

Great show guys! I’ve been doing my own deep dive lately and I just wanted to point out something that I think changed something for me. Amber’s good friend- a woman named Shawn - had met Scott for the first time in November 2002 at a conference. Scott lamented that he was looking for a pretty, smart girl - that he was sick of dating bimbos. This woman Shawn mentioned she knew a pretty, smart girl who deserved a good guy…her friend was a woman named Amber Frey. A few weeks after introducing Scott to Amber, Shawn was at a work meeting and discovered that Scott was known by some men in the meeting to be a married man. Furious, Shawn immediately left the meeting to call Scott on her cell phone to confront him. That confrontation with Shawn is what prompts Scott to feel the threat that Amber was going to find out he was married. Scott then begged Shawn to wait until he had the chance to tell Amber in person about his marriage. In mid-December, Scott meets Amber in person and states that, “I was married but lost my wife.” Then, he started crying, which made Amber back off as she assumed he meant she was dead. I have a feeling that if Scott wasn’t confronted by Shawn, he never would have made the statement of having lost his wife. He was backed against a wall by Shawn, so he had to say something…and he knew he couldn’t say he was never married or he was divorced - because neither of those is actually true. So he chose the word lost. This theory is further backed up later in the audio tapes between Amber and Scott - before Scott knows Amber is working with police. Amber confronts Scott about whether he was psychic since he knew his wife would go missing and he had lost his wife. Scott immediately replies, “There are different kinds of loss, Amber.” I’ve dated quite a few liars who carefully choose their language, and I’ve had the same sort of replies when I discover they are lying. It’s a matter of carefully choosing words. So it’s very possible that the statement he made just weeks before Laci disappeared was really was a HUGE coincidence

[@sophie8394]

Puhlease 🙄

[@teeelle427]

Most of us are here to see more content from Dr. Grande, but he is barely able to speak. Reformat please.

[@WittyWisdomRider]

The other guy that isn’t Mike barely gets to speak at all

[@msmithrandir561]

4:15 in My B/P is up. I am a Neonatal ICU nurse and L&D nurse and all we talked about was this case. We watched every moment off the trial, and you will NEVER convince 18 of us that he is innocent. We wept when the verdict was announced. Fishing 90 miles away, in a boat no one knew he had, and then her body washes up in the same place. The missing 4 homemade anchors? Really? Admitting on tape that he told Amber BEFORE Laci went missing that he lost his wife. (2 weeks before she went missing) Gimmee a break guys. That screams of premeditation. Also bought the boat that day. Can't listen to this joking.

[@cookinglivewithlala]

Exactly!!!

[@nicoles7800]

Great comment, agree with you completely

[@Amazing_missB]

I’m also surprised that they were so willing to put stock in the reports of people seeing a pregnant woman walking a dog. Apparently there were a few pregnant women in the area. Also owning a medium/large yellowish dog isn’t uncommon either. Eyewitnesses testimony - especially when solicited (as it would have had to have been in this case) is notoriously unreliable (regardless of whether it supports the victim or the perpetrator). Whether 4 or 40 people saw ONE pregnant woman with a yellow dog doesn’t mean they saw Laci. All it means is that they saw a pregnant woman with a yellow dog.

[@jacquelinedevlin6381]

They are ill-informed, particularly that obnoxious know it all in the middle. Who can listen to this drivel?

[@jacquelinedevlin6381]

And who would take advice or counseling from someone who clearly has the issues he has?

[@mmaidofsteel]

I'm so glad I found this podcast! Just the right amount of humour mixed-in with the subject matter and I really like the laid-back vibe & mutual respect between the three of you. This is such a contentious case and I'd like to throw in my two cents on whether the detectives' initial 'haunch' about Peterson was wrong because it was due to his 'lack of emotion' - there were plenty of things besides him not acting right, in my opinion. For a start, who wants to casually saunter-off fishing on Christmas Eve instead of spending it with their pregnant wife and family? On a boat no one knew he owned, doing a 'hobby' he didn't have? I've tried to look at it from a 'tenth man' stance, but he was so duplicitous in all other aspects of his life it would only make sense if he did it. I trust your judgement as professionals and I certainly enjoy listening to your informed opinions, however in this case I also trust the intuition (and evidence) of the detectives... maybe if Peterson hadn't been so busy committing to his lies, his gut might have told him there was something 'off' about the detective work! Thank you so much for the fantastic job you do and keep these podcasts coming!

[@thezyklonbeast]

I appreciate that this is a different conversation entirely than we are used to on this topic. But the co-hosts are a bit uneducated on this case. The baby's body was less damaged because her body protected his until the gases of decomposition expelled his body from her. The tape was just garbage that became tangled on his body. It wasn't "adhered" at all. There's more but it's not worth explaining it all. I'm just not sure why this is being discussed without the counterpoints to these inaccuracies being raised

[@mistylm2365]

There were several forensics experts who have looked at this case and they have different opinions. You could have several an argument either way and there is a forensic expert to support your side.

[@stephaniephillips2643]

You discussed things I had never heard mentioned before. Well done.

[@katgooral8408]

Scott did it!! And I'm so glad to know that others see through Nancy Grace..She needs anger management classes!

[@zensbleexperience3470]

How about Natalie Wood before Robert Wagner passes away?

[@angelcitystudio]

Wood caught Wagner and Walken having sex and she ran, slipped, drowned....

[@PRETTINGTON]

Mike pretty clearly came in with the objective of poking holes in the case against Peterson in order to show reasonable doubt, which is a good way to approach any case when looking at the issue of legal guilt. My issue is that in order to maintain that position he was willing to overlook or dismiss the implications of a lot of things that certainly seemed out of the ordinary to me. The issue of the viagra for example, you don't need to explain that away at all as it doesn't imply guilt in my opinion, but he started talking about mountain climbing. Kind of overreaching in my opinion. I think it would have been interesting to hear more about the opinion around factual guilt in addition to legal guilt, as I was pretty surprised at the end to find out Mike thought Peterson is probably guilty.

[@wts7273]

When he started talking about mountain climbing and viagra is when he lost me too lol

[@MissRalux1]

There's more evidence pointing at his guilt than his innocence. Is it without reasonable doubt? The jury has spoken. We all have our opinions about this. Mine is that he is guilty. Too many coincidences. Usually not a good sign

[@Leo-Crespi]

Love it, great potential. I would consider: - just one central rectangular table - dr Grande on the right, other hosts on the left - same mics for everyone - adding some images in post production or a TV in the bg that shows some key images - a little more defined narrative structure - replace the chairs with no noisy ones

[@coyoter9691]

I agree that some pictures or videos added would be nice. Some of the previous episodes, I wasnt familiar with the people being discussed, so that would have been useful. Also, the audio is slightly off, the guy in the middle (mike?) is good with being on top of his mic, but grande and the guy on the right (Jeff I think?) are often off their mics a bit and make it harder to hear them. Otherwise great job, enjoying the discussion a lot!

[@cathyd74]

Looks like social distancing to me. Maybe that was still a thing when this podcast started?

[@DonnaBrooks]

OMG, the guy with the longass beard TALKS TOO MUCH!! I got so irritated just hearing his voice after a while b/c he would always interrupt the other 2 guys. The lengths to which he went to make excuses for everything Scott did was annoying af. If he wants to make a video where he does all the talking and defends Scott Peterson, then he should do it on his own channel so we can hear someone else, esp. the guy on the right side of the screen (since Dr. Grande already covered this on his channel)! I hung in there until the 1:40:20 mark, doing other things while listening, but I'm cutting out on the last 15 minutes.

[@katina9632]

So grateful to Dr. Grande for introducing me to the concept of innocent in reality vs. not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I now agree that there are a lot of high profile cases with people who probably are guilty in reality but should not be in prison because there is plenty of reasonable doubt. That’s how the justice system should work, to protect the innocent, I.e. it’s better to let 1,000 guilty people roam free than to falsely imprison one innocent person.

[@Preservestlandry]

But it's really not. 1 innocent person in jail only hurts that person. 10,000 guilty people will kill, rape, etc, how many innocent people?? You can't let 10,000 guilty people go free. We'll all be killed.

[@mistylm2365]

Hmmm, I don’t know what the numerical trade off is but there are definitely ways investigations can improve, journalism can be less incendiary, and we, as a public, can try to be less reactionary and more skeptical.

[@angelcitystudio]

But he was not falsely imprisoned. He's guilty. His defense team just did not get to create an improbable scenario to the jury that could have gotten him off on less than reasonable doubt.

[@katina9632]

@@angelcitystudio I agree. I wasn’t talking about Scott with my comment, just in general.

[@wandacole5784]

Do a episode on Richard ramirez because he is so unusual and infamous.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

I would love to hear a podcast on this case.

[@joycejnn]

Dr Grande did a video on him on his other channel

[@jpincinjr]

We most certainly will!

[@littlebruja7623]

Loving the podcast so far! I’d love to see coverage of Larry Nassar if you branch out beyond murder and alien lizard people. Otherwise, maybe on Dr. Grande’s channel or Patreon!

[@karalekuse8590]

I started off wondering what you had to add since he was obviously guilty from all the previous coverage I’d seen. But you discussed a lot of evidence which I’d never heard and other evidence was explained in a less biased fashion. I’d never thought you’d put your clothes in the washing immediately but if it smells of fish then it’s completely reasonable. Also mentioning the tape and string on poor baby Connor as well as Lacie’s missing organs definitely only raises more questions than answers. Very good take

[@jpincinjr]

This, and the reasons we discussed, lead me to not be sure at all, but lean toward him not committing the murder. When could he have done it, how could he have done it without leaving any evidence, and can the burglars be investigated? That's where I'm at. We appreciate you watching, Kara!

[@realhousewifeoftransylvania1.0]

Fish?! 😆😆😆😆He didn't catch anything. LMAO He told the neighbor when he got home that he was golfing. These guys don't know some of the details.

[@sophie8394]

How could his clothes smell of fish when he wasn't fishing?

[@sophie8394]

@@jpincinjr when could he have done it? Are you serious? He had more than 13 hours to do it. It takes about 4 minutes to strangle someone. Have you ever heard of Chris Watts? He killed his entire family AND disposed of their bodies in a matter of a few hours, leaving no evidence behind. The burglars were investigated and cleared. How do you not know that?

[@juliewynn2093]

When coincidents lined up and connect dots -- it's pointing to the killer. Based on statistics and protocols they have to rule out Scott and they couldn't help to notice the signs of a killer. The detective initial suspicion of Scott as the killer, it's only because of his training and experience alerted him to do so. When you're in the field for that many years, you can't help it, even in your normal daily life and you come across someone during a hand shake or small talk -- you will notice something out of place or oddity that will alert you. You can't turn it off. You can spot a liar sooner than normal people -- that's why you don't have too many friends. You spot foot prints for a crime and motives easier than flipping a coin. You are in the right field. 🙏🙏

[@daniellem905]

Interesting exploration of alternative perspectives.

[@am3986]

You guys should definitely look into Susan's Powell case.

[@mykso69]

Guys, I trust your opinion the most, you are doing amazing research and look at every entry from all sides possible. Please, consider doing Madeleine McCann case. By the way, Beard is stealing the show, I'd love to hear others too.

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

Truth. I keep finding myself wishing just a little that I needed geek therapy, just so I could talk to Mike of the Magnificent Beard about the geeky things that bore most of my friends. (Luckily, I have a partner whose also a supreme geek, and provides me all the "therapy" I need when it comes to discussing the intricate potential plot holes in Star Wars & Marvel canon...)

[@jamespontillo251]

Scott admits to murdering Laci Guy in the middle “there’s a perfectly logical explanation for why he would admit to murdering Laci”

[@svalentina3075]

Love these podcasts. We learn so much more than from the regular videos. You should introduce your guests though... like what are their credentials? it sounds like you're all mental health people.

[@MichaelSmith-jd5ki]

We actually recently filmed an introduction video. We had filmed an introduction prior to that as part of one of the earliest podcast recordings, but there was a technical issue with that video and we all forgot that it wouldn't ever make it onto the channel! Jeff and I both hold Master's degrees. Jeff is a licensed professional counselor specializing in OCD treatment and exposure therapy. I am also a licensed professional counselor specializing in Narrative Therapy. Dr. Grande will be posting the intro video at some point. Keep an eye out for it to learn a little more about us.

[@svalentina3075]

@@MichaelSmith-jd5ki woo hoo, thanks!! 😁

[@cathyd74]

@@MichaelSmith-jd5ki put it in the description also please

[@cottontails9003]

That was an interesting podcast. It shows the reality of guilty or not guilty. Keep them coming !.Btw l live in Australia

[@judytaylor3099]

Whether he’s guilty of murder or not he’s certainly guilty of being a cad. Unfortunately that’s not punishable by law.

[@adrienekausner9701]

Yeahhh. When my partner goes fishing the rule is put your clothes directly into the washer and take your ass directly to the shower. And girl was pregnant. Maybe the smell of fish made her sick so he was being Conscientious

[@JuliaMarques79]

Dr. Grande, please don’t take this the wrong way, but I LOVE you! Great job!

[@cbracing808]

In other cases, a robbery across the street would be the #1 lead, even if it were committed a month prior.

[@deemulcahy6553]

Mike has totally ruined this episode for me! He completely cuts everyone else off and has spoke 90% of the time! Bit disappointed

[@MishaMishaSoprano]

Interesting. I don't feel that way at all. I just figure these guys are friends, they know each other, they like their dynamic enough to create their own channel, and this works for them. Not discounting your view, but I like that they're just being themselves and are enjoying each other's company.

[@christinley5213]

Great job guys!!!! I love this!! Keep doin it please!!!! Thats a glorious beard btw:)!!! Im still on the fence about if he did it or not.. i want more evidence lol.. feels like an incomplete math problem lol

[@MichaelSmith-jd5ki]

The Beard does thank you for the compliment. It, too, thinks it's glorious.

[@coyoter9691]

I feel the same. If he did do it, which I'm inclined to believe, I think the supposed timeline is wrong. I think that's the part that is making this off, like a wrong number in an equation.

[@ADonald1273]

You guys are great BUT you need a female perspective AS WELL…keep up the good work…

[@MishaMishaSoprano]

The Stranger by Albert Camus is what the stoic comments remind me of. Jailed and executed because he wasn't emotional, so he must be guilty. Not saying he's guilty or innocent, but it's just so related... judging someone's guilt, based on expectations of emotional displays.

[@themysteryofbluebirdboulevard]

Viagra for Mountain climbing? I'm an MD and that's not a thing. Diamox, yes. Besides, hiking or camping is not mountain climbing.

[@silverbullett6684]

Bottom line is that he told various "stories". If he was innocent, why lie?

[@CR-ce5lf]

right! if you're innocent your story is going to remain the same whenever you're asked to explain yourself.

[@mistylm2365]

He lied about many things and his affair definitely changed people’s willingness to look for LP. It’s not proof that he is a murderer.

[@realhousewifeoftransylvania1.0]

@Misty L M You obviously need to do some more research.

[@shawn20768]

Thank you, all

[@wts7273]

Listening to the guy in the middle justify every single point is really making him lose all credibility…

[@sophie8394]

People need to start doing their own research if they're truly interested in this case instead of listening to a bunch of know nothings doing a podcast.

[@lornaginetteharrison7168]

Putting aside the jurisdiction/location and time disparity between these two cases, it sounds like the jurors of the Scott Peterson and Casey Anthony trials should have swapped places! As a Brit, most of my knowledge of the Peterson case was limited to the massively negative portrayal of Scott in the media. But this video has definitely made me consider he was not guilty beyond reasonable doubt, whether he was truly guilty or innocent.

[@coyoter9691]

It seems like his affect was a big point on convicting him, but I'm not convinced that it doesn't serve as a piece of evidence. I very much understand that people have different emotional reactions. Myself, I suffer from a dissociative disorder, and am often emotionless when struck with a situation that demands emotion, I often feel empty and far away in that moment. So I don't necessarily think his stoic face should have any relevance. BUT - there are other moments where I think his lack of genuine concern is evident and thus, should be considered by a jury. I feel that an innocent man, even if having an affair, wouldn't feel comfortable talking on the phone to his mistress during a candlelit vigil. I feel if he felt genuine concern and worry inside, then he wouldn't be worrying about keeping up with a mistress whom he barely knows, he'd be a bit more present with what's going on. She had only been missing a few days, and he's worried about keeping up the Paris lie? Even if he fell out of love with his wife, surely he felt some connection to his missing child? I do find it odd that he watched explicit material on the night she went missing. I certainly am not going to pretend that I understand male sex drives, since I'm not one. But if someone I cared deeply for went missing, I'd be way too distracted to even watch TV at all. I think my focus would be completely shattered. I would be consumed with thinking over the day, where did they go, what happened, am I going to be framed. I may put on the TV, but my mind wouldn't be able to focus on something so trivial. Not a solid piece of evidence of anything, but as a juror, I wouldn't help but wonder how he could possibly focus on that. Maybe other men would disagree and say that it would be normal? There was also a witness who said when they gave him missing posters to put up, when they walked away, they saw him throw them in the trash. I don't know how reliable that witness is - but if that is true, that would be a major red flag that there is zero concern. And that is indeed relevant when considering someone's innocence in my opinion. I don't think the jury was only taking into account his stoic appearance, but also his actions and behavior that illustrate a complete lack of emotion or care towards Stacy and Connor. I don't agree that it should be ruled out as possible evidence. Not strong evidence, but nevertheless, considered. Edit: Just want to add that I really appreciated the long discussion - this case definitely gets us thinking on what evidence should be considered in a case, and what is good enough to convict guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This is a tough one and definitely raises those questions all over it.

[@jpincinjr]

You make a lot of great points. Thank you for watching!

[@jonzaremba]

Something that will help build intimacy on this show would be to tell us your cohost's last names and maybe something about them. We are all here because of doctor grande but have no idea who that beaver beard giant or awkward quiet kid are. Once things get rolling you won't need to do that. But until you build that intimacy with your audience, some sort of introduction is necessary.

[@MichaelSmith-jd5ki]

Fun fact, we filmed an introduction... but the video had technical issues. We then subsequently forgot about it. We have filmed a separate introduction that should be released soonish. My name is Mike Smith. I have a Master's Degree in Clinical Mental Health Counseling and I am a licensed professional counselor specializing in Narrative Therapy. The awkward quiet kid is Jeff Pincin, also a professional counselor who specializes in OCD treatment.

[@jonzaremba]

@@MichaelSmith-jd5ki I don't have anything smart-ass to say. Thanks for the quick and detailed reply and look forward to the growth of your show.

[@cathyd74]

@@MichaelSmith-jd5ki put this in the description as well please

[@dearbh1736]

@@MichaelSmith-jd5ki Good thing I am not on there with you Mike because I talk more than you do and it would all end up in fisticuffs with Dr Grande and Dr Jeff trying to break it up. You would end up doing a podcast on why Irish people talk so much and why it was a terrible mistake to invite me on as a guest and put me sitting next to you!!!🤩

[@saima84]

@@MichaelSmith-jd5ki awesome introduction thank you for introducing us to you 😊

[@BellaLeoLicorice]

It's a no brainer - unless you believe in the amazing coincidence that the burglars who she caught and was killed by happened to dump her body in the same place as he'd just been fishing at? Did the burglars also have a boat?

[@tracievendetta1908]

Everyone should read For Laci. You’ll never question his guilt again. Heartbreaking!!

[@Tina06019]

What about the people who saw her in the park with her golden retriever?

[@tracievendetta1908]

@@Tina06019 they didn’t. Her mom said she hadn’t walked in months because of dizzy spells

[@mistylm2365]

But other people said she walked regularly??? And if she wasn’t walking why would SP use that as his excuse?

[@tracievendetta1908]

@@mistylm2365 He’s a psychopath and a liar

[@mistylm2365]

@@tracievendetta1908 sure

[@dinotink]

Gone Girl was published in 2012. I don't see how you can still come to the conclusion that he's guilty. How likely is it really that he got THAT lucky not to leave behind any evidence?

[@jonathankurtisvile6333]

Sorry but lost credibility with me. Obliviously this guy does not have a girlfriend or wife, If my girlfriend caught me buying some porn channels, To say she would be pissed would be an understatement. This is not my concern if I know my girlfriend is not coming back ya know EVER

[@BellaLeoLicorice]

He wasn't upset that she was gone because he had no feelings for her anyway - he'd moved on with another woman.

[@pudin53]

The only thing you didn't cover was Lacy's mom was very vocal and all I remember is seeing her at every press confrence.

[@zensbleexperience3470]

I cant wait to see you do Summer Wells 💔💔💔😱😱😱

[@nadia4985]

But cheating IS cold and calous. Minimizing cheating is not comprehending.

[@kellyfelly6645]

This makes me think he did not get a fair trial. Not even a fair investigation. Could there be evidence that we don't know about? There was certainly reasonable doubt. And doesn't the prosecution have to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt?? I just think there was reasonable doubt. I don't know if he did it or not. Thank you gentleman for a very interesting discussion.

[@USALibertarian]

Cops not looking for exculpatory evidence should be a defense in itself. It's their job to collect ALL the evidence so that the defense can present it to the jury. A defendant doesn't have the resources or the legal authority to find and subpoena evidence. And the police take control of crime scenes and physical evidence and wouldn't let the defendant search it even if they feasibly could. Justice is not served by omitting evidence that could point to the actual criminals. Wrongful convictions are bad enough, plus they endanger the public if the true criminal is left free.

[@gqakathemagazine6111]

It’s not that he put his clothes on the washer it was he wasn’t able to get hold of his wife for most of the day and when he got home the dog was in the yard with the leash on and the back door was unlocked which caused him concern, in which case a few phone calls before or while taking clothes off and showering and eating and then calling.

[@-SarahElizabeth-]

Love this podcast, but how many lines of coke does Mike do beforehand? 😂 We want to hear what everyone else has to say too! Geez.

[@BDMC07]

So McKenzie did it! .... There you have it.

[@saima84]

I think for all the people saying Mike talks too much, is maybe because he’s more comfortable in a non-scripted environment? We know from watching KZbin its not easy being in front of a camera, or maybe he just knows more about the case. in my opinion all three personalities bring something different to the podcast.

[@ReaperCH90]

I really don't get how the bodies match this case. He probably did it, but why did the bodies were found the way they have been. It doesn't seem natural to do that if you don't do it out of a sadistic desire or just overwhelming hate for someone. He probably still did it, but on the other hand they did him very dirty. We better hope he is guilty, because if not, a young family got killed and the widow and almost father should have gotten the death sentence for it...

[@angelcitystudio]

He is guilty as hell.

[@samslost6011]

Anyone with long hair will tell you that their hair can end up in countries that they've never even visited. Hair in plyers is definitely not evidence

[@CR-ce5lf]

No. and why would hair be in pliers? most people don't use pliers every single day, its not something that's an everyday necessity so why would someone have pliers by their head? how does hair end up in pliers?... my cousin has long hair, her hair has never ended up in France or Germany.

[@samslost6011]

@@CR-ce5lf clearly I was being dramatic by saying hair ends up in other countries. But it does end up all over the house , car, ect. If it was a bunch of hair, that is suspicious. If it is one, they are grasping

[@Preservestlandry]

@@CR-ce5lf how does hair end up in food? Does it mean the food murdered you? You were hit over the head with guacamole?

[@fifilaflamme2]

It's interesting to hear a different POV, but these guys are really stretching trivia to the max here in order to fit their agenda. While over analyzing minutiae might be useful sometimes, it's always necessary to keep the old W.C. Fields line, "sometimes a cigar is only a smoke" in mind.

[@Benzo1818]

I believe SP is innocent...RE-Podcast...this is 3rd I've watched(I'm only 20m in to this one) & it's getting increasingly annoying how dude in the middle dosent let the others finish their thoughts w/o stepping on them while putting fourth his theories & negging others theories...I'm here as a long time fan of Dr G....I need more of him and less of big man if I'm going to continue after this episode

[@angelcitystudio]

Most white men do think he is innocent.

[@jacquelinedevlin6381]

He's guilty but I agree with you about the podcast.

[@livelovenow8862]

There's no doubt that the jurors got it right. I feel sorry for Lacy's family when people call the verdict into question.

[@theresar4617]

I do not know why police and the media use lack of emotion against someone. Even if they are a very detached person who really did not care, that still does not mean they killed the victim. I honestly would be more curious and afraid of the guy that initially acts with what they call the perfect amount of emotion. That is probably the guy that's faking it.

[@sheilawashington7658]

I love this panel and also like Mike, although he dominates the discussion. I have gone back and forth with guilt and innocence. After hearing facts, I did not know, he is probably innocent. What is scary is people letting emotions guide the judgement. Glad he is no longer on death row. We have killed too many innocent people by sentencing a person to death. There is too much reasonable doubt for the death sentence. People should sort things out by using their brains like what I see here and not raw emotions. He would have needed help to carry this out.

[@piniki123]

Can you guys do Rebecca Fenton? Maybe I'm gullible, but she seemed somewhat sincere in the Pierce Morgan interview. I'm really on the fence about her

[@cathyd74]

Really? The Behaviour Panel did an interesting video about that particular interview that you might find useful

[@piniki123]

@@cathyd74 I watched that, but I still can't decide. She seems guilty and not guilty

[@asalindstrom6652]

Thank you.

[@cbracing808]

1:07:30 didn't the dog get out twice supposedly? So if Scott put her in back and didn't realize the gate was open, wouldn't the neighbor notice the gate unlattched when they put the dog back? Wouldnt they fix it? Idk what this means but why would a dog get out twice in a short period of time? There had to have been a hidden exit, if we believe the dog got out twice. My theory, lacy was attacked while walking the dog and left the gate unmatched when she left. Dog freaks out after attack and is found on street. It's put in the yard, were the dog already knows of a way out but doesn't normally use it because the Peterson take care of her well, except this time the dog thinks lacy needs help so she sneaks out again though the hidden escape. My Malinois can easily jump our fence(not saying a golden could) and has while fence fighting a stray dog, but she's only ever done it that one time. But she knows she can...I'd like to believe if my dog saw me get hurt, she would jump the fence to come help me.

[@angelcitystudio]

and I think Scott let the dog out with its leash on in order to create a story that someone must have abducted her.

[@cbracing808]

@@angelcitystudio fair enough, I've watched alot more about this case since I wrote that comment and I don't nessessarily stand by it anymore. I mean Scott looks overwhelmingly guilty but there are also a couple things that are weird that have gone completely unexplained.

[@solgoddess2283]

My husband plays golf and yes; it’s easier to play in lighter clothing, no bulky sleeves or heavy jackets. A heavy jacket / coat would get in the way when swinging. But… yes… it’s an odd time to say you’re going to go play golf. Annnndddd then say you’ve gone fishing instead. So so so torn on this case. I agree too; they didn’t even for one second consider it wasn’t him or have any other considerations…

[@elbertbass9259]

Scott got convicted by mob mentality which most of this comment section is guilty of.

[@sophie8394]

🙄

[@Nikki-sf6bs]

He did it.

[@bthomson]

He had so much motive and so little empathy! He didn't seem to want that little boy! He called Amber from the candlelight ceremony! Just plain cold!

[@bthomson]

Nothing but evidence should be deciding a case. If only it were that easy!

[@CR-ce5lf]

yes but sometimes there are cases where the person is guilty as hell, they did that shit but there isn't evidence that proves the direct thing they were charged with. Sometimes you have to get into the courtroom and paint a picture for the jury, have witnesses to support that, etc.

[@realhousewifeoftransylvania1.0]

So why did Scott lie about bleaching his hair and say he went swimming in his friend's pool and thats how his hair and facial hair got lightened!😂 This guy Mike is so biased and omitting facts to fit his narrative. Step back and look at the whole puzzle. You have made an excuse for so many things without putting all the pieces together.

[@angelcitystudio]

Scott lied about EVERYTHING and yet people are still saying "reasonable doubt" because their dog had gotten out and a house in the neighborhood got robbed. Maybe ALIENS did it!

[@LevelEarthWD]

I remember this case but wasn't into it at the time. Now all these years later I'm learning what the jury was presented and can't understand the guilty beyond any reasonable doubt for sure and really don't get the death penalty being imposed here. Terrible investigation, Terrible trial by media. What a travesty for everyone concerned. Scott deserves a new trial! Period.

[@sophie8394]

Where are you learning, all these years later, what evidence was presented to the jury? What qualifies you to judge the investigation? What do you know about it?

[@sophie8394]

🦗🦗🦗

[@brennanhuff2960]

When people don’t respond to you Sophie… take the hint and move along. 😂