Chris Watts, Timothy Jones Jr and Patrick Frazee: Are they psychopaths?

[@aimeegwatney5662]

These videos are fascinating. You make these various personality disorders easier to understand. These people are so scary! Thank you for posting these!

[@ufonorway9993]

Agreed to 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@barbarahren5208]

So true. I learn by examples, so thats why just love it!

[@ME-vb6pq]

The absolute scariest thing in your videos for me is the realization that I married a man who fits EXACTLY this. Mine had a whole separate life. Divorce is almost final now. Thank GOD I got away from the web of manipulation. Just wow!

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Oh thank goodness you're almost divorced!

[@chokinonashes61]

It is a frightening thing to learn. My mother was a narcissist, my ex is the same. It's taken so long, but am happier than ever before, aged 52. Hope all goes well.

[@anneosullivan5160]

Good for you

[@oceanwater2wave]

You are so beautiful and so intelligent!! Thank you so much for your content!

[@LiveAbuseFree]

oceanwater2wave oh thank you 😊

[@rachelcoloradow3kidz722]

Agree!

[@rachelcoloradow3kidz722]

@oceanwaterwave love your mermaid pic and background so beautiful and serene

[@LiveAbuseFree]

@@rachelcoloradow3kidz722 yes, it's very sweet isn't it! :)

[@LiveAbuseFree]

@@rachelcoloradow3kidz722 Thank you! :)

[@glamdolly30]

Bravo - a complex subject beautifully explained and produced! Your summary of Chris Watts' childhood, in which he was emotionally neglected, is perfectly illustrated by the photo album at 13:43. That child has a blank, glassy eyed expression in every single photo. Could it be any clearer that this boy's personality and individuality had been utterly crushed? His mother Cindy Watts was quick to brag about his youthful sporting achievements - this was surely an identity she hung on him like a costume, and would have hung on any son she had. Seems to me he learned at a young age that his true personality was of no interest to his parents - he had to be the son they told him to be. When the true personality is suppressed, as Chris Watts' personality was, it presumably stunts its development? In his thirties, he spoke like a teen, with his endless repetition of the word 'Like'. He was a husband and father, but seemed quiet and withdrawn around his family (I don't buy Shanann's home videos in which he played the doting dad, piggy-backing his kids, taking custard pies in the face, etc). To me he seemed more like Shanann's nerdy teenage son, than her husband and the kids' father. Chris Watts went from acting the role of the dutiful son, to acting the role of doting husband and father. Both identities were fake, and made him increasingly uncomfortable and resentful. I'm curious about Chris Watts' true perception of himself, both as a child growing up and as an adult. When he first realised his parents frowned upon displays of real emotion, and didn't want to hear his opinions, or nurture his individuality, he quickly learned to withdraw. This I imagine is how his quiet, apparently passive character began. To hide who he really was became a necessary security measure - and over time, it became a way of life. So did the young Chris Watts deduce from this that he was an inferior person, that his true self simply wasn't worth knowing? I would have expected such an upbringing to produce a man with low self esteem, who became a potential victim to a narcissist, echoing his relationship with his mother. But instead he turned into his mother, manipulative and self serving, seeing other people as there to be manipulated to his own ends and literally expendable when they no longer served his purpose. I guess Watts' anecdote to cops, relating how he had lied to his teachers about a trip to China, gives us a small glimpse into the psyche of the child he once was. Why did he tell that pointless lie, and get such satisfaction from being believed by the adults - and why did it clearly still thrill him today as a grown man?! To me it reveals something sinister - that he was beginning to flex his muscles as an arch manipulator, and see the power he could have to successfully present his own version of the truth. It was an early victory in 'getting away with it'. He continued to get away with a false reality his whole life, persuading family, friends and colleagues he was an all-round nice guy, loving husband and devoted daddy - when the truth was, his wife and kids could have all been hit by a car and killed in front of him, and he'd have struggled to squeeze a tear out.

[@dollluv]

glamdolly20 Great analysis of CW!

[@LiveAbuseFree]

@glamdolly thanks for sharing. I agree with a lot of this. In terms of your questions- not having your feelings validated can really stunt your emotional development and cause you to not trust yourself. The children of a narcissistic parent will grow up to become narcissists themselves or empaths. I did a video about this called 'How narcissists and empaths are created'

[@jazzy8009]

Well said. Spot on

[@glamdolly30]

@@LiveAbuseFree Thanks for your response, I must check that video out sounds fascinating! XXX

[@chellel5112]

Wow! That was an excellent analogy! I agree with everything you said. Spot on. These cases are so complex and interesting. So sad and sickening too. If only the masks could be pulled off of these individuals in time to save the poor innocent victims of theirs. 💔

[@inspiteofbecauseof4745]

All three ladies were in a vulnerable state when the relationships began.

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Yes! Really important point!

[@kayhoover6530]

Wow. You are amazing in how you have explained these three men's psychopathic and narcissistic characteristics in an easily understood presentation. Simply fascinating. Thank you.

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Thanks so much Kay! :)

[@barbarabrunson8605]

Kay Hoover ....Kay I love your Comment and couldn't agree with you more. She does a GREAT job in the way she explains things, and simply fascinating is EXACTLY my description. 🏆

[@kayhoover6530]

@@barbarabrunson8605 Thanks you. It is always a delight to meet like minded people on a discussion forum, Barbara. We are fortunate to learn from this channel.

[@chokinonashes61]

@@barbarabrunson8605 Hello Barbara! We meet again 😀 I love this channel, I find it incredibly helpful as well as a learning tool about other people.

[@VioletJoy]

Having the live examples really helped. Great idea!

[@minthia7632]

I've learned so much from you! Thank you!

[@LiveAbuseFree]

@minthia, thanks, I'm glad you're finding the videos helpful! :)

[@danepatterson8107]

Though I'm mentally ill myself, when I was 19 I joined the Army which had the effect of breaking apart a lot of bad neuro-pathways and rebuilding them with healthier mechanisms, including self-worth. It was the right time and the right method for me, and it coincided with my unspoken decision to permanently escape my family's negative influence.

[@maryannenizio5074]

smart move ...new and better family

[@brandiguarino1778]

Love your channel. I imagine you must be an amazing therapist or teacher.

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Thanks so much! :)

[@veegee916]

Thank you! I have debated the difference between psychopathy and sociopathy. Many use the two terms interchangeably. I usually just say a sociopath will blend in society (because of the shame) where psychopaths can't blend in...Charles Manson was a psychopath...

[@vickster97]

Just like how ted bundy was a psychopath. The guy was never nervous throughout his whole trial, unlike Watts the sociopath who was a nervous wreck!

[@vickster97]

Plus Bundy was extremely intelligent and always planned his murders

[@chellel5112]

@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 TB creeped me out immediately after seeing pictures and video of him. I would have never even let him get near me in the first place. I would have never fallen for those crutches he used to lure women in to trust him. I could madness see in his eyes immediately. I'm more tuned in than most though. I am a victim/survivor of a violent crime at age 12, which almost resulted in my own death by strangulation. This was the result of my overt narcissistic bio mother's 4th husband. I would say this evil monster ran in the category of Overt Narcissist and psychopath. I knew right away when my bio mother brought him around me at the age of 11, that something was very wrong with him. He quickly became severely mentally abusive after she moved him in. Which is very detrimental to the mental health of a young girl entering puberty. He was psychically abusive to me one time after she married him too. He hit me on the side of my head and knocked me down, causing my earlobe to bleed. He accused me of eating one of his hoarded swiss cake rolls. To this day, if I even hear or see those things I get nauseous. I even begged her in tears not to marry him. She barely knew him too. Of course she never listened or cared what I thought. I was not her priority. It was always about her and the men. Still, she was very controlling of me, and it seemed she just wanted me around as someone to suffer along with, and go through her hell with her. This time her bad decision nearly cost me my life, and has affected my mental health tremendously. Anyway, sorry to go on and on with my life story, but I was just trying to relate this to living with narcissistic and psychopath type individuals, and immediately noticing a psychopath such as TB. Some people are more in tuned to those things. I think my childhood made me that way. I'm an empath myself. So many messed up individuals in this world. Sad... Thanks for listening to me ramble on.

[@paulafigueroa1573]

Manson was a sociopath

[@jessicamarie8299]

@@vickster97 I also think Casey Anthony is a psychopath or sociopaths which one you think?

[@sherylb421]

I noticed that Chris Watts and Timothy Jones Jr. both made their first confessions of any murder to their fathers. This is interesting but I am not sure why! Maybe they felt an emotion when seeing and talking to a parent.

[@LiveAbuseFree]

That's an interesting observation! In my opinion, in both cases the mother wasn't emotionally available.

[@xino_z]

Sheryl B & Live Abuse Free - very helpful observations. I feel like I married someone very similar to CW and TJ and escaped through dumb luck, basically, and secured myself after some very deliberate planning with attorneys. His Dad was and still is, very kind. He loves his son despite some of his actions. His son (my ex) very much still resents his father. I wonder if the combination of unavailable mother and an unconditionally loving father enable the extreme behavior of the son? They know their Dads will forgive them for anything. I wonder if the dads carry guilt for the emotionally traumatic childhood that helps develop the narc. Either not splitting with the mother or by allowing her to be emotionally abusive, maybe these dads feel like it is partly their fault that the child became what they are? Would that make these Dads victims as well?

[@xino_z]

christar95 christar95 helpful, thank you.

[@xino_z]

christar95 christar95 I just feel that my ex-FIL is a victim of the narc mom and his children. His father eventually split off from narc mom, and he seems full of regrets

[@paulafigueroa1573]

My opinion is that Chris was getting rid of his family because that would please his mom. I bet he knew that his mother wouldn’t care if Shannan and kids really disappeared or they were murder by her son. She would be happy just because she doesn’t have to see them anymore. So, by getting caught Chris ridiculed himself and his mother may resent him, like he is so stupid didn’t do anything right. That is the reason he preferred to admit stuff to his father instead. But, what do I know... I’m learning here!

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Sorry I didn't manage to post last week! I'll be posting again on Friday (since saying this I have missed the boat for Friday- sorry! It'll be Monday now). From one of the comments it looks like I made a mistake when I mentioned the number of children's bodies Chris Watts dumped into oil. He dumped the bodies of beautiful CeCe and Bella into oil and (previously unborn) Nico was found outside of his mother Shanann's body near by, under the soil. The statistics that Hare claims regarding psychopathic offenders come from Wikipedia so don't quote me on it! BTW he is also responsible for the electric shock experiment I mentioned in the video.

[@veegee916]

I'd quote you over anyone else! 😉

[@antseanbheanbocht4993]

I didn't know that about Nico, OMG horrifying.

[@LiveAbuseFree]

@@veegee916 Aw! :)

[@somewhereinthemidwest9827]

We knew what you meant. ☺️

[@LiveAbuseFree]

@@somewhereinthemidwest9827 thanks! :)

[@mypinklife3415]

I love your videos. I have watched many videos on the subjects you talk about and I prefer the way you do yours. You do it in a relaxed down to Earth, realistic manner. I always end up feeling I learned something and have more insight into how the mind works.

[@paulafigueroa1573]

Agree completely. My feeling after these videos is very much like after attending a masterclass.

[@sharellerose5306]

Yay! I've been waiting and wandering when you were gonna post! Thank you! Always makes my day! You rock 😘

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Thanks so much Sharelle! :)

[@lightningbug276]

I’m relieved to know that no one is born with a personality disorder. Nature and Nurture both come into play.

[@polarbearsrus6980]

"Psychology researchers generally believe that psychopaths tends to be born - it’s likely a genetic predisposition - while sociopaths tend to be made by their environment. " Not proven and we may never know.

[@zeldagoblin]

A predisposition only means they're more likely to react to the negative environment and become psychopaths. Ergo, not born a psychopath.

[@smallandstressed2364]

@@polarbearsrus6980 - since one of the signatures of a psychopath mentioned in this video was a lack of normal fear responses and failure to be disgusted by gore, it’s possibly genetics that are made more prominent by experience? Like, you and a family member both have antisocial genetic dispositions and you learn from them how to be an antisocial/psychopathic adult. You learn from someone who experiences similar reactions, as some primary guardians are “normal” people? Maybe it’s just the inability to feel fear normally, which would leave you without the fear of social rejection(which primates need as social animals) and without the worry of consequences (from injury or actions)? I feel like everything I wrote was redundant and wrong, so there’s that.

[@jessicamarie8299]

@@polarbearsrus6980 I think Mark Zuckerberg is a psychopath she should do a video on him

[@chokinonashes61]

I so appreciate your content, as so many of us seem to. The stress and tension we feel being brought up by a narcissist is so difficult to understand as a child, and during our teenage years. I had issues with self harm, addiction, as we were never valued in the way we needed to be. I find myself nodding along with your videos, the revelation of narcissists being misogynists no matter the gender was very helpful. Thanks.

[@chokinonashes61]

@@christar9527 Hi! I'm sorry you went through that, it's hard to explain how debilitating it is, and when we self harm we feel bad, get prescribed things to "help" or discover something to kill the pain, then we are shamed by society. Yes I'm a now 52 year old woman, the youngest of 6, my sisters and I all had different roles while one of my brothers was the golden child. It's interesting that the eldest is a boy but he obviously didn't fix the hole within my mother so it was the last boy she chose to use for her worsening issues. She was about to have a hysterectomy when she found she was pregnant with me apparently. I'm re-watching all these videos as I learn and recognise more. I don't know where you are on your journey but things get better, the hard work is worth it. 💕

[@johnguzman8637]

Thank you so much for the interesting enlightening analysis. I know it's going to be a great day when I see a notification for one of your new videos.

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Aw thank you John! :)

[@mrsmickjagger6638]

You are fantastic! Your videos are so enlightening. Helps to make sense of the senseless thank you very much.

[@glittergirl_84]

Thank you!! Every video is so informative and interesting!! Keep them coming please! Love your channel!!🙏❤️👍 🐱

[@joannagle803]

Love your summaries. In the Timothy Jones case, Amber said Timothy was the first to leave the marriage, turned off the power and gave her no money. She had to take him back as he held all the cards. Both he and Chris Watts were happy to put out lies about their wives.

[@roshambo187]

I'd be interested in knowing what part you think Toxic Masculinity plays in contributing to the creation of a sociopath.

[@lonestarlady5980]

You have lovely natural beauty! I love your video content. You make things make more sense to those of us who are lay people. 😊

[@alyssaferraro2680]

As usual, you're the best. Thank you again!! xxx

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Thanks so much Alyssa! :) x

[@AngelinaATF]

Live Abuse Free Great Job on another video! I now understand the task & work involved in producing as my friend ZAV GIRL also is really good at producing. I do have a question w regard to a Sociopath/Psychopath, or even Narcissists; HOW do you recommend that a child handle behavior of a parent/guardian, God-forbid, IF they are given visitation w these monsters?

[@subanakatz4943]

I've just recently been learning about Chris Watts & his case. This has taught me a lot about narcissism, I wasn't even aware that a covert narcissism exists. I think this is an important thing for many people to understand, whether we personally know one or not. This channel has become my favorite! Thank you for making a complicated subject so easy to understand!

[@aperfectplace]

I always enjoy your videos thank you... My doctor told me that my ex was Sociopath, she said that they are very dangerous, and was glad I wasn’t with him anymore.. My doctor was saying that not all Sociopaths are killers either.. Very much a con man, he is and still is a police officer of 34 years, use to try and show me photos of dead people in car accident.. awful.. He never knew how to love, and always said there was a fine line between a police officer and a criminal.... from Australia 🇦🇺.

[@aperfectplace]

Teela Tequila thank you for your support, that I am not alone in saying that.....👍.

[@aperfectplace]

Teela Tequila thank you so much Teela..😃.

[@aperfectplace]

Teela Tequila you are so right, i was with this man for 13 years we have twin girls together.. I have a daughter also from my first marriage,she was ten years old when we met. He was lovely when we started dating, then after a few years, and after the twins were born, he became very controlling and very abusive to me and my oldest daughter, she hated him..I believe he cheated on me throughout our marriage, and now I believed he left his first marriage to be with me...He left me to be with another women, that only lasted two years.. He still wanted to be my friend, I said no way do I want anything to do with you.. Thank god the twins have grown up now....

[@aperfectplace]

Also Teela, it’s funny when I look back to my first marriage..My first husband was the same controlling and abusive too, but he wasn’t a cheater.. Then there was a time, when I had to have two police officers to go back to the house with me, to pick up my daughter because my husband wouldn’t give me my daughter... You wouldn’t believe this while I was in the middle of all this going on, one of the police officers pull me aside.. He said this to me... If you don’t go back with your husband, I would like to Take You Out and he gave me his police card with his name and phone number on it.... OMG How was that ? It’s funny when I found out my second husband was a policeman I said to him if you ever cheat on me I am out of here... 🤔.

[@aperfectplace]

Teela Tequila, yes I understand where you are coming from, I am the same.. I have dated a few men since and I do like being on my own with my pets better, don’t have all that control they want to put on us.. Just love being on my own, I have had enough of men.. Having a Convert Narcissistic Mother doesn’t help either, she is still going strong at 96 years old and she lives on her own since dad died 16 years ago.. I have just gone no contact with my mother after 63 years, just had enough of her controlling ways too !! So sick of them, they are everywhere you are right...🤔.

[@somewhereinthemidwest9827]

Thank you! Your videos are so informative! I always look forward to your videos more than anyone else.🙌🏻♥️

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Aw thanks Joni! :)

[@wonderfulwenna2710]

Awesome Video live! really interesting topic.

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Thank you! :)

[@Katwoman4318]

“Insane in the Brain”-Cypress Hill

[@rachelcoloradow3kidz722]

LOL love this brings me back. Cypress Hill Right??

[@LiveAbuseFree]

@@rachelcoloradow3kidz722 Me too haha!

[@fluffyhead6377]

I’m glad I have a conscience and feel guilt even though these can be a pain sometimes.

[@martinmeyer3283]

Even though you talk about pretty serious subjects, I'm instantly happy when I see one of your videos. You have a very captivating way of telling things ... and a lovely smile. By the way, gender differences in psychopathy might be material for a future video. Anyway, keep it up!

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Thanks Martin! :)

[@mistymorrison2919]

I am going back and bingeing on all of your videos because I just love them! You give a very well thought out and educated opinion about these cases. Thank you so much for doing this and I hope to see so much more in the future! ♥️

[@rachelbez5021]

Another wonderful video explaining the terms sociopath and psycopath! I am looking forward to the next video that involves you personally with a narcissist!

[@MarcianMarshmallows]

This channel has become my favorite. I get so excited when you upload!

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Aw! Thank you! : )

[@nickinurse6433]

Timothy was enjoying it when Amber was breaking down....this was what he wanted....this was WHY he did it. He showed more than interest ....delight.

[@happygardener7954]

All psychopaths are Narcissists, but not all Narcissists are psychopaths. Therefore wouldn't a psychopath have the ability to feel shame as that is what professionals say is at the core of Narcissism? Very confusing.

[@LiveAbuseFree]

If it's really true that a psychopath feels no shame, then they'd be a narcissist in terms of their behaviour but the reasons behind their behaviour could be in some ways different.

[@rebeccaroark-hobbs8680]

This really helped to answer questions i had, thank you!

[@listentoyourintuitionnotyo2517]

Keep sharing your video's so people can get educated. I so love seeing those criminals in prison uniform, it just makes me feel all fuzzy inside knowing that they will be locked up.

[@JosannaMonik]

This story really scares me because Chris looked normal to me. I don't think I would have read the signs.

[@sunnydays5437]

Moneca Savoie I don’t think I would either to be honest, in his interviews I thought he seemed off, but don’t think I’d have noticed anything strange about him if I had met him in everyday life, that’s quite scary .

[@VoiceoftheVictim]

This is becoming one of my favorite channels. I'm seeing your videos pop up almost every time i'm researching a story and I always appreciate the way you explain things simply. Also love the accent! Thank you for sharing the history of "psychopath" vs "sociopath".

[@HermanMelendez]

Thank you so much for all of your time and effort, you are very much appreciated👍

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Thank you :)

[@jackiehughes8913]

Always enjoy your input ..once again excellent video 🖒 thanks for your time..look forward to the next one💥🖒

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Aw thank you Jackie! :)

[@sm8488]

You are so beautiful and such a smart women.

[@ufonorway9993]

NB I'm addicted to your vids & awaiting all uploads from you, very impatiently Much LOVE from Oslo ❄🦋💜🛸

[@Manonpepin1]

Thanks again, you do a very good job, to educated us between a sociopath and a psychopathe, you are so precious again....I really like your videos. ( just do not forget about cours in the future ) 💕

[@LiveAbuseFree]

thank you! No I haven't forgotten, I'm working on it! :)

[@jameshoffman552]

Interesting review of history of terms psychopath and sociopath, showing the nuances of meaning

[@jacyannc7381]

I’ve been checking all week long for this!!! So glad I have this to listen to before bed! Thank you!!!

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Aw thank you so much! :)

[@jameshoffman552]

The way you spring to life from the thumbnail at the video’s start ☀️

[@LiveAbuseFree]

:-)

[@ericryanericryan]

Something that I'm curious about is why we (people in society) feel so strongly that we need to distinguish between psychopath and sociopath and antisocial personality disorder. It's like we all have a general feeling that there are different types of very dangerous disorders that are antisocial, and we have a general feeling that they involve 'someone who, unbound by normal human emotion and morality, commits great harm.' Why do you think it's so important to so many people to say, 'Definitely yes. This person is a psychopath. Or sociopath'? Instead of what you generally do, which is super helpful, and say more generally, "This person exhibits these narcissistic or psychopathic behaviors."

[@smallandstressed2364]

I think it’s because the terms have been so ingrained in the public conscious that it’s recognizable, despite the terms being so muddled. People also like to neatly categorize things and find patterns, so someone has to be either/or to make something as complex as the human psyche seem more simple. So, you see patterns of behavior occurring throughout well-known (violent) cases and it becomes something beyond a psychological term/diagnoses. You hear autism and might think of a singular mental image of what autism looks like, but there are vastly different extremes (high/low functioning), behaviors, and needs exhibited by autistic individuals. But to have such variation makes “autism” by itself an ineffective term that tends to be received as one expression of autism. A truly mangled comparison: Cancer is out of control cell growth, but not every cell is a cancerous cell, and tumors can behave differently; certain behaviors are antisocial, but not every antisocial behavior is conclusive (just indicative), and not everyone with antisocial tendencies behave the same way.

[@kimhudson7525]

PLEASE do an in-depth video on Cindy Watts and how she raised a sociopath.

[@AliciaHostetler]

You have such smiley eyes, always cheers me up. Much love.

[@LiveAbuseFree]

🤗💕

[@cttofl1815]

Great video, great insight on everything. I wanted to write why I think Chris Watts doesn’t feel emotions in a normal way. Things that give this away for me, was things like he googled “how does it feel when someone says I love you.” Also, when asked by FBI, CBI to explain “how he feels” about any subject, he will instead explain the situation and what the reality of it looked like. Like, when he was asked “what did you feel when you saw SW and your kids at the airport after 5 weeks?” He went on to describe how the airport looked, his walk from the gate to his family etc. He couldn’t explain anything he “felt” in this situation even when asked repeatedly, because he apparently doesn’t feel. When he was asked how he’s dealing with his family being “missing” before anyone knew what he did, he would describe a routine dinner time in his house before this happened, and what that looked like instead of how he feels about it. It’s like he has a mask and can mimic most things, but he can’t articulate or mimic emotions cause he doesn’t understand them or know what to say. It’s crazy to me that people walk around this world without emotions. It confuses me too cause he feels attraction to his mistress right? Isn’t that an emotion? I don’t really get it.

[@mwall8687]

Yes there is definitely a spectrum in regards to these personality traits . Every one of them are not someone I would like to run across. Great video

[@melissastapleton1403]

Hi from Colorado!! I enjoy your intelligent observations and have learned so much from you! P.S. I ❤️ the owls behind you!!!

[@outsideredge]

There are many reasons why the Watts case has fascinated me so much and continues to do so. One of the things about Watts is that he has a very high opinion of himself. Just the act of doing those TV interviews and that he went into his interviews with the FBI all happy and cooperative suggests that he felt he could fool everyone by playing the part of the caring and doting husband and father. The other thing that stuck out to me in his February prison interview was a bit of a delusion of grandeur on his part. Not the outlandish delusion where a prisoner thinks he'll have the warden in his back pocket or that he's such a badass that he'll have the other prisoners kissing his feet, but rather Watts said maybe he could be a counselor to other inmates someday. Maybe with his newfound faith other prisoners would come to him for spiritual guidance. Imagine that: A man who killed his pregnant wife and two little girls thinks he can give life and spiritual advice? It's the kind of thing that made me feel he really did believe his persona. He was, and is, high on himself.

[@alicepoodle4223]

I'm going to have to listen again (not a problem) because 3 people, 3 possible diagnoses, disagreements between experts, phew what a tangle! Anyway, what is clear is that there are common red flags (e.g. not able to take responsibility, no remorse) so I am amazed that professionals within the justice system keep coming up with the wrong diagnoses. For example, I hear Chris Watt's has been diagnosed with dependency personality disorder by his prison psychologist and several of the people who worked with Tim Jones testified he was schizophrenic. My thoughts on this are that these criminals are master manipulators, aren't psychologists prepared for that?

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Yes, I'm surprised by how unprepared they can be, like when they decided the black taxi rapist had suddenly turned into a reasonable and nice guy who should be released, after police believe he assaulted over a hundred women.

[@roxie30673]

Just like visuals aid in learning. Using these cases as teaching moments helps so much.

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Thanks Roxie, I'm glad! :)

[@lisamarielund6292]

Another fantastic video! Thanks for presenting this material in a way that is easy to understand. I agree with the other posters, you are very beautiful and intelligent!!!

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Aw thanks Lisa!! :)

[@mustanglimey]

Thanks for explaining this stuff. Really interesting and you make it easy to understand how they think. 👍

[@kellyannallen2454]

Once again thank you 🙏 I have learned so much. Your videos are absolutely changing my life AND you look beautiful today! Have the best day😉

[@LiveAbuseFree]

thanks so much! I'm really glad to hear they're helping you! :)

[@Alisha.Hassinger.81]

I absolutely love and appreciate how you explain things!! Thank you ❤

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Thank you :)

[@CristinaF210]

Im so glad to see your channel has grown since you started and it's so deserving of course I enjoy so much your thoughts !!!

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Thanks so much Cristina! :-)

[@VeveStang]

Thank you, for expounding upon the Sociopath and psychopath debate. I think that Sociopath was used more loosely in the past before the Narcissistic character became a more popular explanation for particular negative behavior. I am glad you debunked the classification of Psychopaths are born, and Sociopaths are created. I still believe that is a dangerous assessment. Once again, thank you for your valuable and informative content. :)

[@Goldenretriever-k8m]

I agree. There are psychopaths that are functioning on websites like quora, and they have done interviews and asked questions and stuff, and they tend to all think it's a thing you are born with. I tend to think genes or womb environment could be a factor but not the end all be all. Sometimes babies just not being held or comforted at all grow into psychopaths- there definitely seems to be a nuture element. i also notice these psychopaths and narcissists as well on websites talking about their experiences, that people tend to really believe everything they are saying as total truth and honesty, and I also think this is very dangerous as some of the defining characteristics of those disorders are arrogance and manipulative behavior. I've seen them say things like, if everyone in the world was a psychopath, the world would have no crime, the world would be a better place, etc., - as though emotions are the root of all evil. If that was the case, then why are 50% of very violent criminals psychopaths and narcissists?

[@jessicamarie8299]

@@Goldenretriever-k8m I think Mark Zuckerberg is a psychopath she should do a video on him

[@lunis471]

Briliant vlog yet once agan. Thanks for all you bring here x

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Nice to see your name pop up again Liz and thank you! :) x

[@sheilarawlings2040]

Hello friend:) thank you again your way of teaching I'm so greatful for you!

[@lisab.1595]

Excellent video, I so look forward to them. Thank you for in depth explanations, so very interesting.

[@Catbgone]

Thank you Live Abuse Free

[@laurakenney100]

Thank you for another very informative video. I'm looking forward to your upcoming video on traits & behavior to watch for in personalities. I feel like there are more people demonstrating these behaviors than the statistics say. I'm interested in what your view is on this. Thank you for your educational videos that you make in such a thoughtful & helpful way.

[@catjones2684]

Completely addicted to this channel!!!

[@igotbandaids]

You look like a cute peachy complexed freckle-faced girl with a beaming smile. I adore you and your informative videos, you teach quite well. Thank you. PS you make people want to smile back at you with that tender approach.

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Aw thanks Lyn! :)

[@veegee916]

I'm wondering if Patrick Frazee will plea out. With Krystal's testimony, he is a cooked goose!

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Yes I thought so too. I wonder what will happen.

[@AWanderingEye]

She might have had a bigger role and misrepresented what occurred to retain her freedom/reduce her punishment. We hear nothing from FP and so much Crystal says seems to come out of a comedy of errors. Just too unbelievable that she merely cleaned up his mess. But he also showed anger management issues over the years. We'll have to wait for the trial.

[@alicepoodle4223]

Don't count your geese before they are plucked!

[@veegee916]

OMG, I keep getting this case mixed up with Dulos in CT...

[@1wynner]

Thank you for the explanation. I’ve wondered about the similarities and differences. Can someone have both?

[@pettywhite]

I'm strongly considering going to school for psychology when I can afford it. I don't exactly want to be a psychologist- I just truly enjoy learning from your videos! Did you learn all of this in school Live Abuse Free??

[@carmenluzgonzalez4896]

Same!!!!

[@ninjarg930]

Very nice, well put, professional oppinion. People need this kind of analise in order to see their life clearer. Unfortunatelly the sadness of these cases is tremendous... THANK YOU! GOD SPEED ! 💜🌼

[@KP09101]

Judges should be subject to root cause analysis, just like hospitals, whenever there is a bad outcome (as in Timothy's custody case).

[@haboob308]

I am only 8mins into this, so forgive me if I am jumping ahead. However, some of the traits you have described such as lack of fear/being overcome by stress and an ability to handle what most would consider gruesome sights. Sound like they can be considered beneficial if not expected in some professions. Such as surgeon, soldier, firefighter, police etc etc. Am I wrong? Thanks for another video!

[@annkiolofsson4863]

You are absolutely amazing, tank you for another intelligent video...🙏🏻💖

[@Fee212]

@Live Abuse Free Watts' mum said he would lock himself in a room, kneeling in prayer. She said he did this numerous times, and wouldn't tell her why he was asking God to forgive him. Or for what he needed forgiven. What's that about?

[@Pond_Maven]

Patrick Frazee has a brother in the Colorado Highway Patrol -- that fact is not repeated often enough, IMO.

[@RosesAreBlue]

Love your videos, absolutely brilliant as always!!! x

[@chivasmom2024]

In this video, you mention at one point that Chris Watts couldn't look at his parents during the trail. The implication possibly that he was feeling shame. But in the picture shown he looks extremely angry, so angry he can hardly sit still with his leg bouncing all over. It seems as if he was so angry because his true self was exposed for every one to see. He might have thought that by confessing, he would not have to sit through all this type of emotional pressure, and was very angry that things did not go as he planned. He did not have time to make a mask to deal with this experience, and the only way he could think to hide his inner rage was to keep his head down.

[@acertree1980]

I thought that sociopaths have to have difficulty following societal rules so they would of been in trouble with the law and police numerous times !?!

[@bl1995]

Chris Watts: note, 2 small children not 3 (well, guess there was the unborn one)

[@veegee916]

Three children...

[@lunis471]

Three childrem

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Yes 2 were dumped in oil, thanks for pointing this out. I've corrected myself in the pinned comment.

[@Lisa-hc3uq]

Duh, Watts killed 3 children and his wife. The baby is counted because he was alive and healthy when his mother who was carrying him was murdered.

[@veegee916]

@@LiveAbuseFree I think it was a Freudian slip😉

[@jonifejes6815]

I’m so glad I found your site. Keep up the great work. Thanks for the explanations

[@appollonia3337]

I love your videos and the way you explain the complexities of human pathology. Your insight is refreshing and informative. I am learning so much from you and am grateful that I can look forward to your presence on KZbin. I do hope that you realize how much you are contributing in educating the public. Thank you so much.

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Thanks so much Cynthia! 💕

[@astaraoneill9166]

FASCINATING!!! Thank you for sharing all your wonderful knowledge, and for your work analyzing these criminals and making and producing your videos. So very appreciated by all of us.

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Thanks so much! 🤗

[@truecrimecurator9874]

Excellent explanation of a really complex topic, and a fascinating and astute application to these three cases. I really appreciate how your videos focus on people being safe, by pointing out the way these traits manifest in people. You’re absolutely correct that it’s difficult to label these individuals, especially using a diagnostic framework that’s intended to support treatment. But understanding how these constellations of traits can create harm is very helpful to people. Thanks for a great video!

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Thanks so much! :)

[@CWB1962]

Thank you so much for explaining these disorders in such a clear and understandable way! By the way...I love your cushions. Cats and owls are my favorite animals. 😺🦉

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Thank you! :) That owl looks a bit vulnerable next to the grinning cat...!

[@CWB1962]

@@LiveAbuseFree Ha ha...that's true, but I'm not sure if a real owl would really feel vulnerable next to a cat. I've also seen special friendships between the two species ( e.g. the story of Fum and Gebra)...

[@LiveAbuseFree]

@@CWB1962 Oh haha! Maybe a real one wouldn't then! I'm going to have to type those names into youtube now, this sounds like wonderful entertainment! :)

[@CWB1962]

@@LiveAbuseFree Enjoy their stories! :-)

[@LiveAbuseFree]

@@CWB1962 Already loving watching them together! :)

[@CWdudeyo]

Oooooh, Zoe, could you please give us the personality disorder of Josh Powell??? Would love your perspective on him!!! Thank you!! ❤️

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Oh ok I'll have a look into that. I don't know about him so I'll see what I can find :)

[@CWdudeyo]

Live Abuse Free there’s a podcast called Cold. It’s incredible! There is also a show on Oxygen called The Disappearance of Susan Cox Powell. This story is a must see! The podcast, I highly recommend!!

[@Elia-ys9rc]

Whatever the issue all those people are capable of unimaginable evil. We should learn and teach our children too to recognise the red flags and walk away from anyone like this.

[@Stephieandcheech]

I came home from work in a bad mood...then I saw you posted a new one and I got excited😄. Thank you for making my night! Can you do a video on whether narcissists can love? I think my ex boyfriend is a narcissist. In so many ways he showed very narcissistic traits, but he loved his parents and would do anything for them. So I could never fully understand if he was truly a narc or not. Because they say narcs can't love.

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Aw thank you! :) Yes that sounds like a great subject for a video, I'll put it on my list.

[@neige4221]

In my opinion I think we spend too much energy trying to find the right definition for some of these criminals. Sometimes it’s just easier to label evil as evil. I think that given the right set of circumstances a narcissist can become a sociopath and a sociopath can easily transition to a psychopath. What we really need to concentrate on is trying to spot some of these personalities without getting too personally involved with them. You can’t fix these people, so it’s best to just avoid them.

[@dannylovesya2052]

Thank you live abuse, very very interesting. It's so refreshing to see and hear you. And very educational. Thank you x

[@therealsongstress]

Can you analyze Jodi arias and Scott Peterson too

[@CWdudeyo]

therealsongstress yes, please!!!!

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Yes I will be :)

[@mimik8513]

I think they feel also a lot of frustration/jealousy(not shame) about being unable to feel connected to people??Timothy for example..maybe he wanted the kids to love him as much as they love their mom,but he is just not sympathic and caring enough!!what do you think?

[@littleblackbabycat]

I wonder why there seems to be so many men who come under these categories? Also they seem to attack or take out their rage etc on women and children... not so much other men. Are there any studies on family genetics and if these types of people run in families... so fascinating. Thanks for another great video.

[@marys3127]

Yes it is very interesting that they don't attack other men, isn't it?!

[@smcarney]

Women are traditionally the weaker sex. If they are looking for someone to abuse and make themselves o better, who better than women and children

[@ceruleanc505]

@@marys3127 Cowards that they are, it's thought that male and female sociopaths are misogynistic. Hating the feminine is hating the soft and nurturing would cascade to the sweet innocence of children. I believe its so confounding that they want to annihilate out of jealousy.

[@LiveAbuseFree]

@@smcarney yes I agree.

[@twocents7495]

your analysis rings so true..

[@chrisgritton1959]

Love the videos! Just catching up now. One thing I'd like to ask- I'd like you to talk again about the FBI interview with CW- the one with the polygraph when they're in the police station. What did you think of their questioning? Knowing what you know about the CW personality type, what kind of questioning do you think would have been most effective with someone like that? Keep up the good work! Really fascinating!

[@LAJiini]

Yes good point. To look at the jailhouse photo going around, his face is so starkly different. Like that photo of Shannan when she was breaking down. Destroyed people.☹️

[@juanitarichards1074]

I see shame in two different ways. If I ever inadvertently hurt someone I feel shame and guilt. None of these 3 men felt that kind of shame. Although Watts, after failing the polygraph and was forced to confess, appeared to feel some shame about how he disposed of his childrens bodies. He was reluctant to disclose that part. He tried to blame Shannan for their murders because he felt some shame about what he had done and didn't want the investigators to think any less of him, but had felt no shame at actually carrying out the murders. His shame was around what people thought of him, not shame and guilt over what he did. I don't think Jones felt shame, he just felt anger and was going to punish his wife and the children for her contradicting him. He knew he had been caught out and seen for what he was. His wife had seen beneath the mask. You'd have to be pretty shameless to commit any of these terrible acts. Jones knew what he was doing to the children was wrong, which is why he kept them isolated from the outside world, from other people. He was never kind or nurturing to them and didn't care but didn't want other people to see that. My ex husband could be just as cruel and he felt no shame either, except when I stepped in and made it clear to him that he was abnormal. Ripped his mask off. He could fool other people but he couldn't fool me. This made him angry and dangerous, but he felt no shame. Pyschopaths don't care what others think of them, they think they have everybody fooled. They don't like it when people see through them because it means they haven't perfected their "act" of being a normal person. But feel no shame about who and what they are. Thats just how I see it.

[@LiveAbuseFree]

Thanks for another interesting comment Juanita! :) I think I'll do a video about shame versus guilt. I agree that neither felt shame about the murders. I think CW only felt shame about how he disposed of the bodies because of what others would think of him. I think TJ felt shame when he was criticised but not about the murders he committed.

[@Goldenretriever-k8m]

My ex hated anytime I shamed him for something he did wrong. He would always twist it around to make himself look like a hero and just be absolutely disgusted with me that I was calling him out on whatever it was.

[@juanitarichards1074]

@@Goldenretriever-k8m Mine used to get angry, hysterical and violent, and project his shortcomings onto me.

[@Goldenretriever-k8m]

@@juanitarichards1074 Mine was much more controlled, it was almost like every emotion he had was fake except for his glibness and his irritation/disgust. I never saw him really lose control, but I would see this mask come off, and it was like this empty person. In fact, when I first met him he stared into my eyes so blankly and was mumbling to me about who he was, that it made me feel really uncomfortable and my legit first thoughts were: Oh, my god, this guy is a real psychopath. It's confusing to me because in the beginning of our relationship (and I know he does this with other women, he has a very clear system, because I've seen him do it) he would cry and tell me how vulnerable he was and how much he loved me, and it was all so much, so fast, but I also felt so swept away in the magic of it all. But I also felt like if I ever said no to anything or displeased him in anyway then he would lose all interest in me, in a snap, and he would, on and off, so hot and cold, and it was always my fault or at least I felt like it was, and that feeling was so horrible and made me feel desperate to keep him. He even had this older homeless man move into our bed for a while and he didn't even ask me and I went along with it. He had him to favors for him a lot. Its confusing because I don't know if those feelings he ever had were fake and maybe I was just more into him than he was into me. He projected all the time though. Super projector I used to call him. I've never seen someone project so much. And he also said, "we' a lot instead of 'I'.. like aren't 'we' this or isn't 'our' life like this. etc.

[@Goldenretriever-k8m]

@@juanitarichards1074 Another weird thing about him projecting, is he would think other people were being inauthentic and fake all the time! it was one of his biggest annoyances. He thinks of himself as a philosopher/guru, even right now he is holding gatherings where people gather in a circle and listen to him go on and on, and there are other people there offering yoga classes and stuff. When I would sometimes tell him I was fed up with him, he would accuse me of being fake, even when I was in that moment of anger, and one time when I said, fuck you, he said, okay, that's real. lol. I don't think he is as violent or as dangerous as your ex though. but I do think he has a path of destruction, of hurting women in a way.

[@dollluv]

Thank you so very much for discussing the classification history and differences between psychopathy and sociopathy. You would make a great professor ! So CW traits fall between a psychopath and sociopath where as PF traits fall into psychopathy. Perhaps these traits are on a continuum or umbrella with one extreme severe and the other less severe? Psychopathy can be a more severe form of sociopathy with more symptoms. All psychopaths are sociopaths but sociopaths are not all psychopaths. These guys all seem to have narcissistic personality disorder in addition to antisocial personality disorder (DSM-5) . HARE Psychopathy Checklist is a bit more difficult to apply. Well it just goes to show that it is hard to make diagnoses when you don't have all the information. Thank you again for all the work you put into this informative and educational video. You are the best!