Top 5 MISTAKES New Hitbox/leverless Players Make And How To Fix Them

[@yiwei3907]

*casually mentions deadlift 405lbs* what a gigachad

[@bradfordh35]

I read this before getting to this part in the video and thought it was a joke 😂😂😂

[@auxygn]

#nostrap

[@Guitar-Dog]

For reps 😮😮😮 Lucky I play guitar 🎸 don’t need to learn how to lift 405lbs to get good at hitbox

[@ONEPOPPAWOW]

@@Guitar-Dog I actually just finger multiple women at a time all day for a living, so I don't need to learn how to lfit 405lbs or play stairway to chevron on the guitar.

[@jconny65]

"lemme flex on these nerds real quick"

[@RoxasLain]

Been practicing for 2 days now and wow it’s so hard to adjust but I won’t give up. Thanks for the tips!

[@Chris_F]

You can do it! Thanks for watching

[@chanbenyamin3527]

Hi chris! I've just switched to leverless and i gotta admit there's a like i wall i need to get through esp for dp.

[@Chris_F]

Just take it *sloooow* at first. Practice the input for a few minutes every day and you’ll get there! If you’re still struggling shoot me a dm and I can give you some advice

[@chanbenyamin3527]

@Chris_F thanks bro! The only problem I'm facing now is "on demand dp" . Meaning when the opponent does a sudden jump over. My mind is able to react and wants to dp but my fingers says otherwise. If it is stick no problem.

[@Chris_F]

@chanbenyamin3527 it will come with time. I think this is something almost everyone goes through when moving from stick/pad to leverless and it def happened to me too.

[@chanbenyamin3527]

@@Chris_F thanks for the encouragement! Will grind!

[@jackfalcon3923]

Ty, subscribed

[@Chris_F]

Thank you so much!

[@Frenzied_Frog]

Got me a new fight stick and i don’t like it. Its so different from my other one but its better quality so i want to learn it but i hate it.

[@Chris_F]

Which did you get?

[@cmar601]

that 405 DL tho. no joke fr 💪

[@Chris_F]

Real ones know

[@mhmdemad5262]

Thanks for the tips 🫡

[@thebrigandier]

I played Street Fighter with stick since SF4 days and swapped to leverless about six weeks ago. It took a bit, but I now feel my leverless play surpasses my stick play. The biggest tip I would give someone making the switch is to practice a small amount every day. For me, it was an hour split across training mode (to relearn my BnBs) and arcade mode (to train against an erratic opponent). If you find something hard to do, practice it a little then move on and try it again the next day. I dunno if it's brain pathways building over night or what, but I usually came back the next day able to do the input with much less difficulty. If you get bored with the hour a day of practice, use the time to try playing as other characters. There's no reason you can't do both, and the variation in movement types will train you on leverless that much faster.

[@Chris_F]

Great tip, I hope everyone reads this!

[@ardidsonriente2223]

I found myself naturally following the strategy Sajam reccomends on his videos about learning games: not to worry about losing. I played the tutorials and a bit of practice, then I dived directly into ranked. I lose all the time, but its extremely fun and I notice every learning step taking shape second to second. I'm not the fastest learner, but oh boy these two months I've gained so much experience.

[@Guitar-Dog]

Literally come back to it later… Sure there’s been studies where someone who learns a skill and can have 5 mins rest with silence, before doing some sort of test with said learned skill. Will perform better than someone who can practice for double the time and then do testing When I learned geese Howard in Tekken I used to have dreams about performing the links (you hadn’t to use a different strength of special to combo depending on the launch/distance) I drilled that in my dreams

[@3nertia]

My friends usually stopped playing fighting games with me because I would stay up all night while they were sleeping and practice every move of every character until I had all the timings down and could do counter even the most aggressive combos and then after some sleep when I finally woke up and everyone was ready to play again, to them, it was like I magically got better literally overnight xD

[@3nertia]

@@Guitar-Dog That's how you know you've been practicing enough - when you start doing dream simulations :D

[@TeeJayYuki]

I’ve been on hitbox since 2015. I cannot express enough how CRAZY it is to see that it’s been accepted and further built upon in the community. Hitbox gang has come a long long way 😢

[@Chris_F]

It has def become more accepted but I still feel that the cHeATbOx crowd can get pretty vocal. I’ve gotten some wild comments on Reddit when I post these videos there haha

[@MrBroken030]

Piss off, you are not accepted! Go ruin the integrity of some other e sport! How about you start playing fps games and try to build the optimal device to control those kind of games and leave the fgc alone, dont bring your damn cricket bat to my baseball game!

[@marbanivet]

Mind has a hard time comprehending hit boxes 😅😢

[@kylehuntxr]

I’m not even gonna hold you I was a HitBox hater and denialist for a while. Stick purist until I started seeing them pop up more. When I saw Daigo using it I was like there has to be something to it. Tried it at CEO2018 and honestly. Never looked back. What sold me was when I decided to try Marvel and I could multi seismo with viper. That shit made me a believer

[@IceColdProfessional]

Really?! Dang! I was hoping these wouldn't blow up in popularity! I'm just getting back into fighting games and the hit box is the EDGE I've been looking for!

[@letmefeelthevibes]

It took me around 1 month to start getting comfortable playing with my hitbox controller. The most challenging motion was double quarter circle back. I sat everyday in the training room with my coffee and some music to practice this motion in particular. I agree you should learn every motion from both sides, and also from standing and from sitting + block position. The first week is very hard, and very frustrating. Keep at it, after that it will just keep on getting easier and funnier.

[@Chris_F]

Thanks for sharing your practice routine! I hope someone sees this comment and tries it out

[@EseJotaPe11]

I just got my first leverless yesterday, and im also struggling with 214 214 motions. I'll try out your routine.

[@SpectreMK23]

I've been playing with arcade stick since '92. So there just to much muscle memory there, but I get my cross-up today.👍

[@Chris_F]

I played arcade stick exclusively for 10 years (2012ish) so I know what you mean by muscle memory. I hope you enjoy the crossup! Let me know how it goes! I’m always down to answer any questions you might have

[@SpectreMK23]

@@Chris_F I just preorder a kitsune from Amazon, so we'll see how it go's.👍

[@trev1976]

I've been playing stick since 92 too and have just ordered a flat box from aliexpress to try. Think I'm going to struggle hard.

[@CrashKaiju]

​@@trev1976I found it much more intuitive than I thought it was going to be

[@richr161]

For p2 side. Depending on the motion, rolling your wrist helps with quarter circles. roll your wrist and you can keep your two fingers stationary. It helps if your struggling to input qc, dqc, and dp motion.

[@Srsly0_0]

Great advice right here. You'll experience waay less fatigue this way.

[@Guitar-Dog]

If you are non guitarist/piano players you can stretch you two middle fingers to give the tendons exercise and gain more strength/dexterity.. So far I haven’t had issue with how I press the directions (day 2 of hitbox) I think it’s becuase I’m an intermediate/advanced guitarist

[@LaustinSpayce]

What a convenient time, I picked up a Razer Kitsune two days ago and have just begun my leverless journey. It’s quite the trip for sure, thanks so much for the video

[@Chris_F]

Thanks for watching! I really want to get my hands on a Kitsune but the yen is absolutely crap right now so I think I’m going to hold off.

[@kylehuntxr]

This is good advice for beginners. I’ve been a leverless user since 2018 and one of the biggest pieces of advice I can give is just get used to moving. Walking, dashing, jumping etc. Get used to using your hands for that. Another hurdle people run into is a lot of times they don’t know how to use the jump button in the sense of which hand it should be designated to. This does boil to personal preference but the way I do it that may be useful is if it something specifically movement oriented (jumping for example) then my left thumb will hit it but if it’s for tech (say tiger knee inputs or certain Tekken moves) then my right thumb will usually hit the button. It took me a few weeks to be comfortable just doing things and about a year for real proficiency. There are a lot of benefits but understand like anything else it does have a learning curve

[@kempatsu2205]

Just got my first ever leverless controller last Saturday and I love it but I am definitely still learning. Does anyone else's palms sweat profusely while using these leverless controllers? I have seriously considered putting a towel underneath my hands to soak up the sweat, it's disgusting. Any tips on hand sweat and cleaning leverless controllers?

[@Chris_F]

Gloves can help!

[@nosterdaye3102]

TBH, as someone started playing fighting games on a keyboard, the leverless controller is much easier to get into. Playing on Joysticks (arcade sticks or console controllers) will make many unintentional jumps around like an enraged kangaroo. I don' know how people can play on them on a professional level. Hitbox is much easier to use and more forgiving than a joystick.

[@Chris_F]

I think the starting point is important. I started on arcade stick so I just learned it and never really had an issue. People have a LOT of options now which is great!

[@EyeonFGC]

I just started learning Leverless and it feels VERY difficult lol. its definately about the starting point. I started playing Arcade stick 10+ years ago I can't wait till it feels as smooth as it does for me on Arcade stick or even Controller for some games.

[@Chris_F]

@EyeonFGC I also switched after having 10 years of experience on stick. Just try to take it slow and remember that it’ll take time to adjust. Took me about a month to feel comfortable on hitbox

[@EyeonFGC]

@@Chris_F I am starting Tekken 7 because Tekken 8 is coming next week and I am making progress with Kazuya (Kazuya cause he has all the stuff like electrics and wavedashing.) but Street Fighter feels so much more difficult to switch lol.

[@Chris_F]

@EyeonFGC to be honest I still prefer using stick for mishimas. I’m going to make it my challenge to learn Mishima on leverless so let’s see how that goes!

[@axelfuryofficial8459]

Your channel is criminally underrated. I just jumped into leverless and I am experiencing the very thing you are saying because I train with weight and play bass, but atill struggle with the ring finger, but I am enjoying the ride. Great vid as always.

[@Chris_F]

Hopefully it doesn’t stay underrated for much longer haha. Appreciate the comment bro, means a lot to me. Glad I was able to help!

[@oZiiix]

I'd add that when you do start adding shortcuts it can seem daunting because of so many options. The best way to filter the shortcuts is to pick ones that feel the most intuitive vs full retrains of a motion and it isn't uncommon to input one type of move multiple ways.

[@Chris_F]

Very true! Thanks for sharing your insight

[@Maken-X]

Another great vid! And very helpful tips, thank you! #5 is especially important. I got my leverless last week and have been frustrated at how much I was bumbling things. Just have to keep at it, I guess!

[@Chris_F]

Just don’t give up! I had a really bad time when I started but I enjoy training mode and the whole learning process so I kept at it and now I’m more comfortable on leverless than stick. Feel free to ask me any questions you have!

[@stealthguru3974]

I play on stick & to cheap to buy a leverless but I have been practicing on keyboard so I dont have to make an investment that doesnt work out. I setup my key bindings to be close to hitbox so if & when I make the switch it wont be hard to transition.

[@Chris_F]

I recently bought a snackbox micro and I’m 100% satisfied with it. It’s a bit expensive but all the buttons and switches are replaceable for very cheap which means it’s not that expensive if you plan on using it for many years to come. I highly recommend one of you have the chance!

[@stealthguru3974]

@@Chris_F I'm going to have to get something bc playing on keyboard is really satisfying but the keys are too close for my long fingers. I hate playing on pad now & its hard to get comfortable playing stick at a computer desk lol. I actually got a D'Addario finger trainer a few days ago, I'm learning piano as well. It defiantly helps for gaming, your tips are always on point!!

[@TwoyBwoy]

I agree with all of this. The one thing that I would add is if you are interested in making the switch, just do it. I played on pad for years, and I wish I would've switched to stick and leverless sooner. It takes time to get used to any new thing, but a common thing I saw was people making it seem like it would take you months or years to make the switch. It is true that people learn and adapt at different speeds, but if you already have the fundamentals it's so much more intuitive than it may seem. The only regret I have is not getting a leverless years ago. I think stick is fun to use to mess around with, but it's not for me. After about 6 weeks of playing on leverless I feel like I'm solid. Now, the only issue is that I need to stop slacking and play more. I saw someone else say this channel is underrated an I agree with that too.

[@Chris_F]

Thanks for writing your experiences, I hope this helps other people! And thank you for the kind words. I hope my channel continues to grow thanks to people like you!

[@metalgeartrusty]

Lotion the movement fingers, especially that ring finger

[@Chris_F]

Lotion?!?!😂

[@metalgeartrusty]

@@Chris_F hell yea. my dry skin wasnt letting me input stuff enough. body glide anti chafe balm or gold bond healing hydrating lotion. saw results immediately.

[@xdragon2k]

The reason the learning curve is steep is because instead of one controller on your left hand with intuitive directions, you're split into four different buttons that your brain has to redevelop the muscle memory for before it becomes intuitive. Learning new stuff is slow. Recalling what you have already learned is second nature. If the controller is objectively better for execution, spending time to develop the muscle memory is going to be worth it.

[@Chris_F]

Totally agree, although some people are just better at adjusting quickly more than others.

[@richr161]

Its not that bad. For pc users the inputs are the same that they're already use too. These is just no W key. Its not needed because the game is 2d. If you been playing on pc you've already been doing the same motions for a while. The most challenging part is getting the ring and finger dexterity.

[@ardidsonriente2223]

After 20 plus years playing exclusively Tekken, I began playing 2d fighters and leverless with SF6, and so far the experience has been slow, but great. There are many things I still can't do consistently (mostly tight timing combos into supers and NOT doing the 2nd level Blanka super while trying to get electricity from crouch), but overall I feel changing to leverless has been the best choice I've ever taken for fighting games. My left ring finger betrays me from time to time, but overall the control of my character have been increasing noticeably, in direct oposition to my experience with stick, wich for me was the absolute worst, for years. Leverless also surpases pad most of the time, although pad is better for World Tour mode.

[@Chris_F]

I still prefer Tekken on stick, but I use a custom golden lever for that. I think it’s great that there are so many options now!

[@SunWuku]

My Snackbox Micro sat collecting dust for 7 months before I decided to dedicate more time to learning it. You are completely right in that it will one day "just click". Now I can't really play with the stick or pad anymore. With the stick, I find myself doing a jump LK a lot when I do a forward jump because I got so used to hitting two buttons on my levelerless 😂😂😂

[@Chris_F]

It’s definitely one of those things that you just have to commit to and stick with for a while before you start to see improvements. Keep at it and you’ll be fine! Thanks for the comment and for watching

[@BalbuenaNYC]

I used pad and stick. One month playing hitbox. I tried going back to pad,,,, bro,,,, I didn’t know how to jump bro 😂

[@Kingmaxx22]

a lot of people don't realize but your tendons aren't the only thing capable of moving your fingers your wrist could help a lot definitely for me playing goldlewis on leverless

[@Tortita13]

What a great teacher! I tend to try to use the shortcut for dp as hold 6, tap 4+2, release 4+2 for the DP as it seems to work in most games :)

[@Chris_F]

Thanks for watching bro! That’s the shortcut I use too! Doesn’t work in GGST unfortunately

[@ThatsMrGat]

this absolute goober mentions his DL reps ahahaha oh man

[@Chris_F]

💪😂

[@feqol]

Huh, the same tendon part made me realize, curling my middle finger makes my index and pinky move backwards as well

[@nyubisensei1322]

can someone send me a hitbox too so I can have those problems

[@Chris_F]

You’ll be first if I ever get sponsored lmao a man can dream!

[@wittledragon1314]

I find myself using a controller between learning seasons to help me keep my skill up and keep playng while learning leverless on the side. It helps with the frustrating parts of trying to improve without not progressing in the game. It'll be awhile before i decide to take the leverless into matches, but i found after using keyboard that it does feel a lot more fun to play like that. So I bought a cheap leverless to work with and practice with each day and keep playing with controller to keep me focused on building my char and gameplay at the same time.

[@ShadowsCozyInn]

4:28 good thing i mainly focused on WT while waiting for my leverless hitbox to arrive. I found DS4 controller frustrating to perform QC/HC inputs with, so I decided to postpone that part of the game while smth more suitable is available to me to learn stuff correctly right off the bet

[@YoshiExcel]

1 month seems about the amount of time it takes to really get used to it. For the longest time, I would only use Hitbox on 3D fighters and stick for 2D but eventually I transitioned to Hitbox only.

[@Chris_F]

Sounds about right, 1-2 months is prob average. I’m the opposite of you though, I learned Tekken last.

[@PieceofPeace]

i suck at game help

[@KrowleyPineapples777]

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

[@Chris_F]

What do you have trouble with?

[@PieceofPeace]

@@Chris_F I was mostly just shitposting but to be honest the 2 problems that screw me over the worst as a Cammy player are probably related: 1. When doing a dive kick: after jumping forward (9), if you looked at the input reader you would see 314 + K (instead of 214 + K) resulting in a jumping kick instead of a dive kick coming out and getting punished on landing. 2. Often when trying to convert normals into a spiral arrow: Normally you'd want to see something like: 5LP -> 5LP -> 236 + MK. What ends up happening frequently for me is LITERALLY a single frame before the forward + MK, there will be an input for down-forward + MK (and then the very next frame is forward + MK) so the spiral arrow doesn't come out. I'm assuming that either my right hand is too fast or my left hand is too slow in this particular instance but it's costing me a lot of damage.

[@metasprite5648]

3:16 bro I swear doing inputs on the 2 player side is harder. It definitely means i have weak fingers thanks for confirming

[@han3wmanwukong125]

The levelers is the best fight game controller, with the tradeoff of the very high learning curve and especially the unintuitive nature of the left hand.

[@stealthguru3974]

I can recommend doing the beginners & intermediate combo trials. Been using that to train on keyboard

[@Chris_F]

Good tip!

[@fickleisthmus]

Thanks for this, I've been practicing for three weeks now, I'm coming along! One thing I've been doing with inputs is practicing the movements before bed and when I wake up without even turning the game on. Helped me get down the basic dp motion, then I could speed it up whenever I do play.

[@Chris_F]

I practice on my lap when I’m on the train to work and I found it helps a LOT. Imagine training is something I’m a huge fan of, glad I’m not the only one haha

[@endertev]

I'm new to hitbox (2 days so far) and I was able to play it very well from the beginning. My friends keep on underestimating my 20 years playing both guitar and drums. I pretty much play Tekken on that thing as if I am playing a percussive instrument and of course I have great dexterity and stamina on my fingers. Playing an instrument will develop coordination, stamina, speed, flexibility and strength. You nailed that comment, and congrats about lifting that insane amount of weight!

[@Chris_F]

Thx man! I come from a musical background too. I think it’s a huge help for sure.

[@jse230379]

Double taping on osu with pointer and ring finger worked to train my ring finger

[@RenanRF77]

I can curl my middle finger without moving my ring finger and now feel like an alien lol

[@sweeeenay]

just got a haute42 S16 and youtube knows what's up cause it put this in my recommended lol it's definitely an adjustment, I'm coming from controller land and this is hard to get used to.

[@Chris_F]

It takes awhile to get comfortable but you’ll get it just don’t give up! It was tricky in the beginning for me too

[@jkdwarrior3]

Real question is overhand or mixed?

[@Chris_F]

Overhand until I get to my working set, then I switch to mixed

[@jkdwarrior3]

@@Chris_F no cheating lmao. Just kidding. How much do you weigh?

[@robertchristiansantos2037]

Just picked up my first leverless. NGL, it's been pretty frustrating transitioning from arcade stick as I grew up in the Arcade days and only play fighting games on stick. But I am interested in learning leverless because of the advantages it can have in regards to execution. I appreciate your encouragement throughout this video.

[@Chris_F]

It’s an adjustment for sure. I was in your shoes when I started, just don’t give up! It’ll click soon

[@patiszejuicebox]

I think one way another way to learn leverless and/or making it more fun to play is to use them in non-fighting games as well! In theory, any game that doesn't rely on the right stick of a controller can work. Being that I'm also a Tetris player outside of fighting games, I've been using my new Haute42 T13 with various Tetris games, such as Tetris 99, PPT2, Tetris Effect, and Tetrio. I'm ever so slightly faster now compared to when I was playing Tetris on an arcade stick, but with more time and practice, I'll be even faster hehe. I also heard games such as Hollow Knight, Hades, and Cuphead are also fun on leverless as well.

[@Chris_F]

Great idea!

[@user-eu5ol7mx8y]

Just started using Haute42 R16. Coming from xbox pad, I struggle to get used to how relatively large and far apart the buttons are. I don't know what my resting position for my fingers should be. Sometimes I press the wrong button because my finger happened to be resting on another button.

[@Chris_F]

It takes time to build familiarity so just keep it up and don’t quit. It’ll be worth it in the end!

[@Guitar-Dog]

Who’s left handed hear???? I’m thinking left handed guitarist may be the best at using hitbox

[@feqol]

Im left handed

[@dipsy8384]

i think for me leverless felt easier to me since i never played fighting games and was a Pc gamer for a very long time. i think leverless fits people who have bad coordination with their wrists since my wrist is low i found it hard to play on the arcade stick, which is why i swapped to leverless

[@Chris_F]

Thx for watching! Leverless is def more ergonomic

[@troywise3130]

love to see a fellow gym rat fighting game player 😆

[@KaneA87]

Great video, except both my ring fingers move completely independent of the middle fingers. Double checked with the kids and other half, no one here has a middle finger that moves when moving the ring finger??

[@Chris_F]

Every “body” is a bit different!

[@CheshireSnake]

My Hitbox comes in tomorrow, I will use this video to improve. Thnx

[@Chris_F]

Let me know how it goes, I’d love to hear!

[@killiandw]

People can't move their middle finger without moving their ring finger? I never realized that was a thing my fingers move independently

[@Chris_F]

You can touch your middle finger to your palm without your ring finger moving?!?! I believe you I’m just amazed

[@andrethompson9265]

If it wasnt for leverless i wouldn't be able to play streetfighter, on stick i can only on play on Player One's side. Plus, i wasn't good, but on leverless im very nice😅

[@Chris_F]

Glad you found a controller that works for you!

[@GramdalfFGC]

I’m a more experienced leverless player now like you but these are stuff I wish I had known sooner. One thing that’s helped me is slide inputs, especially for things like half circles, double half circles or GG super inputs, I used to struggle to drum my fingers consist and hit the right inputs, so I practiced literally sliding my fingers straight across and doing it combos and it become a lot more consistent. As a side bar, do you think it will be possible to play MK1 on leverless? Everyone I speak to seems think pad is the way to go

[@letmefeelthevibes]

MK1, Tekken 8 and Project L are even better on hitbox controller than SF6. Better than a pad imo.

[@Chris_F]

Great point about the slide inputs! I live in Japan and MK isn’t sold here so I can’t really offer you any advice, sorry. I think most top players play on pad so I’m sure pad is more than good enough for MK1

[@lilsoonerfaninmo]

Big source of frustration for me is doing QC/DPs towards the left. Everything else is manageable

[@Chris_F]

Check out my newest video, it should help!

[@voidandnon-2530]

As someone who just got the new controller and is struggling with my ring finger, this was very helpful. Thank you, just the video I needed.

[@Chris_F]

Really happy to hear that my video helped! Feel free to ask any questions you have about leverless

[@CrashKaiju]

Honestly the leverless inputs felt intuitive to me

[@thecoomchalice5441]

Getting a leverless on Tuesday and I have to ask: How the hell do I even do quarter circle with it, no shortcuts (not that I'll be learning those since I play Tekken)

[@Chris_F]

Just like a regular qcf on keyboard, down, down-forward, forward. It’s easy for Tekken!

[@shinobrii]

Just picked up a snackbox a week ago and needed this advice, thank you !!

[@Chris_F]

Glad I could help!

[@BHS289]

I've been using leverless/box for a few years now, and when asked for advice from those picking it up, I unironically recommend playing a game like Tetris (specifically Tetris effect) instead of a fighting game right away. It forces you to think about your movement, pressing 'up' is an instadrop so you only jump when you want it, it slowly ramps up the difficulty as you play, etc. Then once your movement feels right do I recommend people try learning motions as well.

[@Chris_F]

This is an interesting suggestion, thx for taking the time share!

[@BHS289]

@@Chris_F Thanks for taking the time to record, edit, and upload this video :) Sent it to a few people who have been starting/debating using a box

[@chowbyebye]

how does transitioning from keyboard to hitbox feel like, I plan on getting a hitbox and am hoping the switch wont be that drastic.

[@Chris_F]

I have never played on keyboard but I imagine it wouldn’t be nearly as drastic compared to people coming from arcade stick or console pad

[@forbiddenaether1012]

if you play fps games on pc then it shouldn't be too tough to learn to use the ring finger, i use it a lot for a, q, 1, tab, all that stuff.

[@Chris_F]

Good point, I don’t play FPS games anymore so I didn’t think of that

[@NyxDiscordia33]

I guess I'm technically on leverless now 'cause I just started learning how to play SF6 with a keyboard lol a lot of what you said also applies to my situation and I do find it very validating to know that the whole "doing back QCF's and playing on P2 side is literally impossible" situation isn't just something I'm experiencing. I've only been on keyboard a couple of days (mostly of necessity), but I really enjoy how snappy and responsive inputs feel. There's obviously a learning curve with getting used to where buttons are, but some things feel like second nature already and I can't wait to keep getting better.

[@Chris_F]

Just keep it up and I’m sure you’ll improve! Not quitting and actually practicing things that are difficult are the two most important things

[@NyxDiscordia33]

@@Chris_F doing QCB's still sucks pretty hard, but I've actually been getting way more consistent in just a handful of hours even snuck in some practice playing world tour lol

[@nikitanull4398]

i gave up,sorry

[@jamesportee1102]

I played on keyboard with a hitbox layout for a bit before I bought a leverless... Between that and 20 years of playing guitar, the extra finger dexterity for sure is helping me learn faster. I recommend practicing with a keyboard first if you can with space as up, just to drill that into your head as soon as possible lol.

[@geko1410]

Holy cow, i cant play on player 1 side with my hotbox

[@Chris_F]

It takes practice but you’ll get there!

[@auroranamex5886]

Paper boxes are the best cases for leverless as they reduce hand pain! Thats why I dont use plastic/wood cases anymore. Cheap and healthy, that's my main tip)

[@torin1001]

As a PC(keyboard) player they are just wacky keyboards :P

[@Chris_F]

They are actually quite different because of the SOCD settings!

[@clarencewashington7881]

I apply sum the philosophy you have to coding. Vim editor.

[@Chris_F]

I know nothing about coding but I’m really happy that you’re able to make use of my content in other ways!

[@Guitar-Dog]

I’ve played Tekken years and years and got into SF then SkuG and GG in the last 5 years. Just got a hitbox as a guitarist and someone who went from controller to playing 2D on stick (about a year before I was semi competent) I LOVE HITBOX ❤ I’ve had my mayflash flat for 2 days and it’s so cool proper wrinkling my brain… All the DP shortcuts are great Fireball as D df (2,3 (hold)) up+punch is amazing I totally get how it works but if you couldn’t play guitar or piano etc to a good level I think you would struggle learning this muscle memory. I’m no where near good with it yet but I think I can anti air better with it in drills already

[@Chris_F]

I’m a former pro bassist so I totally get what you mean!

[@Guitar-Dog]

@@Chris_F thanks man, I can’t wait to show my casual friends that play guitar and bass my hitbox, I’m sure they could KBD or wavedash in Tekken within 30 secs, with the right “finger placement and hammer ons”

[@Guitar-Dog]

@@Chris_F can I find you playing smywhere? About to search your channel

[@Chris_F]

@Guitar-Dog my dad did KBD on his first try (he plays guitar)

[@apaleguy]

If you had to pick a game and learn leverless what would it be? Right now I'm juggling Strive and SF6 both games I have people that play but more of SF6.

[@Chris_F]

Both are actually really good choices bc they have common inputs. The input system for GGST is vastly different than SF6 so shortcuts may/may not carry over depending which you use. I’d say learn it on the game you enjoy more! It’ll make the learning process more interesting

[@apaleguy]

@@Chris_F most of them do carry over like QC's there's no DP's for any of the characters I play but rn I'm struggling doing: 632146>S I think my issue is I keep trying to do a QC after and not go forward but I've been flip flopping between both due to I can't pick at all and both my local scene play 😭 There's just more people in SF6 it seems currently

[@Chris_F]

@apaleguy I haven’t touched GGST in years bc I don’t like the game very much, but I do know that there are shortcuts that you can use (ask on community discords since leverless is popular for that game) SF6 def has a ton of ppl playing!

[@fihalhohi5353]

weight training to help press those buttons LOL what a nonsense

[@Chris_F]

I don’t weight train to use this controller, I weight train to compete in bodybuilding competitions

[@califromnewyork]

Got anything for MVC2 players?

[@Chris_F]

Sorry, I don’t play that game

[@MofoJ0nes]

Getting mine Wednesday I’ll let you know how it goes

[@Chris_F]

Please do! Curious to hear your thoughts

[@omarkaiser2070]

the 405 without straps caught me off guard 😆

[@Chris_F]

💪💪💪

[@Joy_inc]

hey i dont know if i have some genetic anomalies or something but the thing about the middle and ring finger isnt true for me

[@Chris_F]

I’m genuinely curious: you can touch your middle finger to your palm without your ring finger moving much?

[@Joy_inc]

@@Chris_F yes like the knuckle moves but that happens when i move any of my fingers it doesn’t curl like yours did

[@DarioBassett]

Hit box with a adapter on Xbox works?

[@Chris_F]

Yes it should

[@efemji]

just play guile you wont need shortcuts haha

[@Chris_F]

Guile is my main!

[@astjuly8239]

Where to study shortcuts from crouching?

[@Chris_F]

I have some videos on this too!

[@ImstilltheKid]

Why should this don’t work at my controller.. I hold forward and tab down+back and punch and the dp don’t come out😢

[@Chris_F]

You have to release down+back then push punch while holding forward

[@ImstilltheKid]

1from20 trys it works but most of the time not and i dont know why ... but thx for your help@@Chris_F

[@ImstilltheKid]

i release down+back but from 20 trys i think 2 works.... i dont know where the mistake is... if i double tab down+back it works every time but if i do it once it doesnt works...@@Chris_F

[@joemurray]

have you tried kitsune razer?

[@Chris_F]

No I haven’t but I really want to! It’s very expensive here in Japan

[@2DGirls4lyf]

I've been playing on stick for almost 11 years and just moved to leverless like a month or two ago. I tried doing Steve Fox's duck cancel and got it first try but there are definitely other things about leverless that are difficult such as the ring finger fatigue that you mentioned. I actually went to my first tournament last week and was using leverless and did a lot better than I thought I would. I'm focusing on tekken 8 for now but will move on to SF6 once Akuma has been released. Should also learn those 360 inputs cos I'm a Zangief main. P.S. Love your content, your KBD guide really helped me improve my gameplay, I never really focused on doing KBD back when I played on stick.

[@Chris_F]

I don’t think learning leverless is as hard as many people make it out to be. Just requires some dedicated practice, much like any other controller. Thanks for the kind words and good luck!!

[@jimy1352]

Bro casually mentions his pr, respect

[@Chris_F]

💪💪💪

[@CoviYello]

So you're saying I'm stupid if I take more than 2 months to learn this?

[@Chris_F]

Absolutely not! We all learn at our own pace

[@CoviYello]

@@Chris_F ok good to know

[@user-et3xn2jm1u]

Could you drop your controller in the description? I'm shopping around.

[@Chris_F]

Added. I suggest the snackbox micro right now especially if you are a ps5 player/tournament player

[@user-et3xn2jm1u]

@@Chris_F Awesome thanks! I'll have to watch for when they restock T_T

[@megamanx1291]

I'm gonna order a haute box and keep this in mind. Tekken player here

[@Chris_F]

I have a video about how to wavedash and KBD on haute 42 so check that out, it’s super helpful

[@megamanx1291]

@@Chris_F Thank you very much, I'll subscribe. I have been trying keyboard while waiting for my order haha. Only practice mode though

[@SharkWithFreakinLaserBeam]

A few things I think need to be added for newcomers. 1) Don't be afraid to shift your fingers around. Personally, no matter how hard I try, doing 2x QCF from player 2 side using my middle and ring fingers will never be as fast as if I slide my fingers over and use my index and middle fingers. Of course there are advantages and drawbacks to any finger shifting, so adjust accordingly for you and your game. 2) If you don't have a leverless controller yet, I highly consider one that has more buttons than the standard 4 directional + 8 face/attack ones. For example, some have an additional bottom button, to the left of the Up button. That can be assigned as a second Down button (or anything). But as a second down button, it would also help with my earlier example of the QCF from the player 2 side. The point is you'll have more configuration options.

[@Chris_F]

Thanks for adding this!

[@rat9199]

2:54 I can move my ring and middle finger independently because I play guitar, maybe leverless is the way to go for me lol

[@Chris_F]

Oh absolutely I think it will be good for you. Let me know if you need any recommendations as I’ve tried a few different leverless controllers

[@rat9199]

@@Chris_F Im thinking something fairly inexpensive but with decent quality. So far the SGF Bridget MX seems good

[@Chris_F]

@rat9199 send me a DM on twitter or my business email (see my twitter) and I’ll give you some more detailed suggestions

[@TheSkum]

Everyone should get a free hitbox😂

[@Chris_F]

I wish haha

[@BalbuenaNYC]

I started hitbox a month ago. I’m a pad player at heart. Learned stick as well. The first 3-4 days was the worst for me. Players that couldn’t beat me was 10-0 me left and right. I’m sim so my main issue was those hcb inputs from 1p side. I still have issues with them. I also can’t cancel lights or mediums to supers from 2p side. End of the day, best thing I did was switch to hitbox.

[@Chris_F]

Great to hear you love the hitbox! I think leverless controllers are awesome especially for street fighter

[@stealthguru3974]

Switching to leverless made me switch to one the character I didnt like much, Luke lol!! Doing various combo trials as a beginner leverless player & I some how cant stop picking Luke now. Maybe one day I'll switch back to Chun Li or Aki!

[@Chris_F]

Luke is a ton of fun and he’s the character I used to learn leverless too!

[@hermontarmand2404]

I've been trying a leverless controller for more than 7 months and I still suck. I only can gain about 75% of my stick skill. For me, stick is more forgiving in term of motion input & reactions, but the leverless is faster and more precise especially in blocking.

[@Chris_F]

What’s your practice routine like? Everyone learns at a different pace so don’t worry if it’s taking longer than you’d like. As long as you find learning and practicing fun then there’s no problem, just enjoy the journey!

[@Itsjfell]

Great video though. I second all of these

[@Chris_F]

Thanks! Happy to be of help!

[@mr.richard3715]

i got one a week ago switching from pad but man i gotta say the switch is quiet hard nothing feels really intuitive the layout is causing me issues forgetting where some buttons are located cause they re all the same, rolling motions, supers and half circles as well etc. i dunno sometimes i just wanna quit and say f.. it and sometimes i say to my self i have to overcome "THAT POINT where its clickin" charging or movement wise i gotta say it feels like butter or just hitting buttons soo responsive. obiviously transition from pad to leverless is by far the hardest how long did u take to get to 100%?

[@Chris_F]

I say treat this like learning an (easy) instrument. The first hurdle is quite tough but don’t give up because once you get over it things get MUCH easier. If you’re really struggling then I suggest writing down a simple training routine to do with your hands as you watch tv or something. Took me about 2-3 months to get used to it but I’m an idiot so I learned it with SFV training mode along with GGST and Tekken which gave me WAY more work than needed.

[@zombiethinking]

Biggest tip I have is learn it with a brand new fighting game you’re not familiar with. If you have to learn how to play the game alongside learning the controller it will feel more natural and be easier to memorize. I did it this way and stuck with it until playing any fighting game felt unnatural if I wasn’t using leverless.

[@Chris_F]

Great advice!

[@cahl1337]

I think p2 side is easier on hit box. I don't agree with a lot of this coming from stick for years and recently making the swap. I think this should be geared towards newer players. My biggest tip is learning to block again playing casuals. Defaulting to down back and reacting to lows took more time then relearning moves and movement.

[@Chris_F]

We all struggle with different things, but from the people I’ve spoken to 2P side seems to be an issue for most. Also, this is geared towards new players, it’s in the title.

[@johnmccullough251]

I’ve been using my lever less for over a year now. I’ll never go back. My favorite brand is junk food’s micro box but I just got razor’s Kitsune and I’m digging it. If you can get past the first couple weeks of learning you’ll never go back

[@Chris_F]

I also have a snackbox micro and I absolutely love it! While the snackbox is my main controller, I usually use my hitbox for these videos bc it’s easier to fit in the camera frame with my current desk setup.

[@MetalFacedGamer]

I just picked up Street fighter 6 (yeah I know I'm late to the party) I have no problem taking time to learn but things like Blanca's ball I don't know how to do it and I can't find anyone online to show me on a leverless. If you read this can you explain it to me? Thank you

[@Chris_F]

Blanka ball is a charge motion. There’s no secret or trick to it on leverless, just check the notes in the move list

[@MetalFacedGamer]

@@Chris_F Yes of course. That's the first thing I did. For some reason it has like a yellow arrow but doesn't explain what the yellow arrow is. So I don't know if it's hold it. Let it go quickly or some other random function cuz it has a yellow back arrow and then a regular white right arrow

[@Chris_F]

@MetalFacedGamer it’s a charge motion. You have to hold the input for 40 frames IIRC

[@MetalFacedGamer]

@@Chris_F I appreciate it. I was looking everywhere to find it and just getting back into fighting games and looking at the menu, they aren't The most intuitive and tend to be a bit redundant. So I definitely thank you for your feedback *THANK YOU* ✨

[@Chris_F]

@MetalFacedGamer my pleasure!

[@felixgijon8621]

I just got myself a leverless controller because I tried doing an EWGF in TKN 8 with my keyboard. The feeling I got when I executed the move I was thinking about was amazing! It is the same feeling I had when I was a kid learning how to play on an arcade machine. Thank you for the tips. I don’t expect to make progress fast or keep my current rank. I am just looking forward to all of the eureka moments on learning the motions and executions.

[@Chris_F]

Glad you love it! I’m crazy busy this week but I’m going to try to put together a Mishima guide for hitbox one I get my execution down! Feel free to ask me any questions during my twitch stream until then!

[@Matheus-vs3qt]

I've been playing with pad only, but I have plans on switching for leverless soon, and the ring finger is actually my biggest concern when It comes to playing with one, but I hope that my time playing Black Desert Online where I used my left ring finger to do a lot of inputs and movements pays off, a lot of people say that who used to play fighting games in a keyboard has a easier adaptation to leverless, it is not a fighting game, but BDO had me having to do hours and hours of play time exercising my hand left fingers, so maybe this might help.

[@Chris_F]

You won’t know until you try! At the end of the day, it’s nothing a little bit of practice can’t fix