NEW: Aero Bike Testing Ranks 11 Fast Road Bikes

NEW: Aero Bike Testing Ranks 11 Fast Road Bikes | The NERO Show Ep. 99

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@joeblack7469 4 ай бұрын

That test has just proven what iv been saying for a long time, set your budget and buy the bike you like the look/colour of the most…. That’s the best bike for you.

@IK47-d2l 4 ай бұрын

15K High end bikes are literally a scam

@dominicbritt 4 ай бұрын

@@IK47-d2lthat’s not the conclusion at all…

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 4 ай бұрын

I'm just going to write it again paste and copy it all over the whole thing This disc brake system that they were pushing on the consumers was to make them more dependent on the cycling industry and the bike shops themselves This disc brake system created a totally new bike. They needed to reinforce the fork, reinforce the rims by putting more spokes on them and the hubs they needed to reinforce the back of the bike which made the bike tremendously heavier. The funny thing is that the industry right before this was all about saving weight and making the bike much lighter The disc brake system threw that all out the window The UCI even needed to start changing their rules and not allowing the riders to sit on the top tube which destroyed the most effective aero position I have bikes from 2015 2006 and I've never changed my pads because they're cork Theses bozos just pissed me off . If I lived in Australia they would have me right in their face that I can promise you

@ScottVanHorne 4 ай бұрын

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed You tell em Harry, give em hell

@redkeyspoke 4 ай бұрын

Make sure it fits!

@eto2352 4 ай бұрын

congrats on #99. Looking forward to 100! Thanks for the great content boys

@ChrisMillerCycling 4 ай бұрын

Our pleasure!

@ShawnIsBatman 4 ай бұрын

On the aero testing, first, thanks to Cycling News for this, more 3rd party tests to get objective numbers is awesome! All of those aero bikes are fantastic bikes, even the bikes ranking the "worst" in a particular test. For 99% of all riders in the world over 99% of all rides, any of the bikes would be a wonderful choice. The differences between the bikes would be insignificant and not noticed by nearly every rider (non-professionals). Buy a bike that 1) fits your budget and your body/riding style and 2) motivates you to ride more. Beyond that, the choices just represent individual preferences.

@bsbbernal 4 ай бұрын

What an episode. Jesse's circling around to his point on climbing bikes while Chris boils in disbelief is priceless.

@jamiefarrell6496 4 ай бұрын

Agreed - always enjoy the show, but this one was especially stand out

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 4 ай бұрын

And I forgot to mention the fact that they needed to widen the tire. See The wider tire is not actually faster. That's why they were using 23s on TT bikes till 2023. They just recently changed that The reason why they needed to go with a wider tire is to give the brake system a wider foot padding because the thinner tire was not enough footing for the brake system to work. So they needed the wire tire and less PSI to create a wider footing for the tire so the system does not slip. If you look up how many accidents happened before 2015 and then you look at how many accidents they had after 2018. It's three times more the racers have been in so many accidents.

@messi9991 4 ай бұрын

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed you sound like an awful human being.

@Gramkan 4 ай бұрын

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeedJust go ride your old bikes and stop the rambling nonsense

@_gregvalencia 4 ай бұрын

Cycling news should sponsor the 100th show for how much traffic and new subscribers they probably got this episode. Great episode!

@ChrisMillerCycling 4 ай бұрын

😂

@osp1999 4 ай бұрын

Chris Miller Cycling….check is in the mail 😂😂😂😂

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 4 ай бұрын

@@_gregvalencia What they need to do is have me for the 100th show on as a special guest. That's what should actually happen. 😐🤌

@matchinu 4 ай бұрын

Subscriber only article wasn't it?

@wgthn5103 4 ай бұрын

Please make ‘it holds its speed’ stickers. Chris frothing over the S5 was gold 😂😂

@scottwatson7844 4 ай бұрын

Duranrider will have a field day with the weights of those bikes.

@Blackice850 4 ай бұрын

@@scottwatson7844 He'd blow a gasket

@savagepro9060 4 ай бұрын

@@Blackice850 imagine the smile on the gasket's face, the gasket shouting: "Carb the Fk Up"

@pantster9855 4 ай бұрын

Durianrider is a dick

@Blackice850 4 ай бұрын

@@savagepro9060 🤣🤣🤣

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 4 ай бұрын

@@scottwatson7844 who are you even talking about? Some Bozo that needs to get some type of recognition off of showing some tramp on his channel give me a break.

@Nate021 4 ай бұрын

Respect for pointing us to the article rather than just telling us 👍🏾

@chrishophoto 4 ай бұрын

Advice for the guy between two ride groups. If practical, go do a hard interval session before going to meet up with your slower club ride, then treat that ride more as zone 2. Your intervals if done right should have you pretty good and tired, so you will be less likely to smash your friends in an anti-social manner, and after doing this for several weeks, it’s likely that your fitness is going to dramatically increase and make hanging with the fast guys in the near future more of a possibility. This will serve both goals at the same time.

@MP48 4 ай бұрын

The test was a great start. Most People will walk into the store and buy a complete spec bike. Upgrades come later. So the test provides a basis of comparison for a complete off the shelf package. The next step is a data base of frame , wheels bars and groupset aero comparisons Might need a simple cfd to run the combo so you can spec a bike that’s the most aero for the buyer.

@matthewabbott6263 4 ай бұрын

I love the way it took Chris all his might to admit that the Trek Madone is a good bike and dose what they say it dose 😂. P.s Ive been watching your shows for sometime now and you two are great, best cycling show on KZbin 👏

@ChrisMillerCycling 4 ай бұрын

HAHA! Thanks man

@michaelbradbrook9575 4 ай бұрын

I agree with Cycling News approach to test the package. Every single person in my cycle group has kept the stock wheels on their new bikes. Only when bikes are getting older, do people upgrade wheels and other parts to stretch out the life of the bike.

@bensoder5067 4 ай бұрын

Love the podcast! Quick correction: The force Trek Madone has their pro level wheels, while the dura ace trim comes with the RSL wheels which are 200g lighter. It would probably be closer to 7.4kg.

@ChrisMillerCycling 4 ай бұрын

Good note, thanks. Out of interest, have you seen those weights build in real life yet?

@saphireg8094 4 ай бұрын

Love my gen 7 slr, one of the fastest bikes I’ve ridden and an incredible climber

@bensoder5067 4 ай бұрын

@@ChrisMillerCycling I have the RSL wheels on my (faster) gen 7 Madone. It’s been around a year, but if I recall correctly, they were very close to the claimed weight of 1410 grams. Crazy that I now consider this heavy compared to the stuff coming from the Chinese brands. I look forward to the show every week. Keep up the good work!

@IK47-d2l 4 ай бұрын

That test exposes the BS of bike manufacturers about producing the fastest bike in the peloton bla bla bla ... Essentially all bikes are the same!

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 4 ай бұрын

It's such a joke they should be sued

@IK47-d2l 4 ай бұрын

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed Canyon Marketing is so silly, they must be thinking cyclists are so stupid so that they believe their BS...

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 4 ай бұрын

@@IK47-d2l when The disc brake system came out that's when the cycling industry became a joke. The minute they tried to convince the cycling world that a disc brake system works on a road bike and created all this craziness to change the whole entire bike to make their lies come true . That's when things changed for the worst. They needed to reinforce the rims, reinforced the fork, reinforced the back end of the bike. Then they started to shave weight off the rest of the frame which weakened the top tube. Then the UCI needed to change the rules for them not to sit on the top tube anymore and destroyed the most aerodynamic position for descending. The reason why they're breaking records even with these heavy gravel bikes they're racing with is because of the modern training. If this modern training didn't exist, their whole bicycle would not work out because they wouldn't be able to break these records using these heavier bikes. But the fact that modern cycling training made them stronger. It seemed that the bike didn't hold them back.

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 4 ай бұрын

@@IK47-d2l Have you noticed how they removed my comment because it makes so much sense. I wrote the same thing two times and they removed it two times. When people started to like it they removed it

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 4 ай бұрын

@ZenGarage 4 ай бұрын

Chris Miller lapped me 3 times at CP this morning lol. Beast!

@ChrisMillerCycling 4 ай бұрын

❤️❤️

@jakethesnake1976 4 ай бұрын

Jessie 'steamroller' Chris and look back and giggle had me in stitches 🤣🤣🤣

@Joelmoliveira 4 ай бұрын

Giant Propel: wins 4 stages in the vuelta Bro on a podcast: it's average good

@markdinnie6503 4 ай бұрын

Surely testing “the package” is the most valid way of testing. I can’t imagine anyone spending $20k then buying another set of wheels, new handlebars and aero bottles and cages. It just isn’t realistic.

@ChrisMillerCycling 4 ай бұрын

Agreed

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 4 ай бұрын

@@markdinnie6503 It all depends on who the cycling industry is targeting. If they can make a select line of bikes for the let's say elite then they can rip them off

@brotherfranciz 4 ай бұрын

Nah, if someone is spending $20k on a bike, I guarantee they would be the type of person to spend more on upgrades, including the most expensive wheels (e.g. Lightweight Meilenstein).

@varasurf 4 ай бұрын

"The package" is not the best. Only for the bike manufacturer as they keep all the costs to themselves and increase profits.

@augustgames6502 4 ай бұрын

I disagree 100%. Of course you'll customize the crap out of your bike. I'm in the process myself, almost only the frame left.

@robenever1 4 ай бұрын

25:09 I see your point Jesse, the wheels aren’t comparable to each other, but if you’re paying the money for one of these, these wheels are what you’re getting. We start talking mix and match and suddenly talking making the perfect bike which this review isn’t doing. It’s comparing what you’re getting when you buy the package deal.

@lorenzfrass9499 4 ай бұрын

For 100th episode I want to see special with these three distinguished gentlemen as guests: Durianrider, Lance Armstrong and Dr Ferrari

@taithatas 4 ай бұрын

This would break the internet 🤣

@m.talley1660 4 ай бұрын

Would that not drive some away?

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 4 ай бұрын

What they need to do is have me on the 100th episode as a special guest if they want to go viral

@lorenzfrass9499 4 ай бұрын

@@m.talley1660 yes

@lorenzfrass9499 4 ай бұрын

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed didn‘t think a person as important and famous as you, the literal inventor of modern cycling training, even had the time to come on such a minor podcast but yeah that would be fire fr 🔥🔥🔥

@SamuelBlackMetalRider 4 ай бұрын

Loved the group ride chat. Ours in Paris is Fabulous. We are dozens, a huge Fast Pack of 30 to 60 riders, last week we did 100km @ 47.9km/h PEAK PERFORMANCE

@ChrisMillerCycling 4 ай бұрын

That is awesome!

@SamuelBlackMetalRider 4 ай бұрын

@@ChrisMillerCycling i mean not many actually endured 100km, less than 5 of us

@jamiemackenzie9708 4 ай бұрын

You are two very sad nerdy guys! I bloody love it - keep it up!

@ChrisMillerCycling 4 ай бұрын

😂❤️

@nathanxpatel 4 ай бұрын

loving the extra 30 minutes

@pbob7409 4 ай бұрын

My Supersix Evo 4 Hi Mod weighs 7.1kg with pedals & aero bottles & cages, let’s say it doesn’t hold you back (even uphill compared to my 6.5kg Dura-Ace Aethos). Mix of Sram Red (crank/cassette/chain) & Force (shifters/derailleurs) & Ccache FSD 40’s wheels. The factory wheels Cannondale use are heavy unlike Specialized. Main reasons to get a LAB71 is desirability & some of the amazing paint jobs including the Oxblood. The difference is only 40 grams Jesse! You could spend the money you save on buying some lighter CRW or Ccache FSD’s wheels!! It’s a great bike

@dollabillwill415 4 ай бұрын

loved the part about group ride etiquette. you could do a whole episode on that topic. so interesting how different people approach it

@onetake.podcast 4 ай бұрын

Just saved my indoor ride, once again, thank you!

@DPbike 4 ай бұрын

Was waiting keenly for this one guys :) Jesse was spot on. Chris saying the tests shouldn’t have a rider has validity because all bike+rider values, for different sizes, will be different. Being a new owner of the dog (the 795 Blade RS, with Corima wheels) and now having test ridden an SL7 with the older Rovals, for me, I absolutely could not tell any difference in average speeds. The bikes feel very different though! The Corimas are 47 deep, not 45 Weight of the LOOK. I have a Team Black version with Ultegra and the Corima wheels weight 7.62kg (size XS). Given that Dura Ace is 250g lighter than Ultegra, I don't understand why a 56 would be so relatively heavy. I mentioned this 'pimp out' idea on Mapdec. I put a Continental aero 111, 26mm on the front Corima, and in very preliminary 'testing' (just a couple of rides) according to my 4iiii powermeter, I gained 3 watts, at (32kph average) over relatively flat, 18 mile course. If this is real, the LOOK could be 'as fast' as the S5, well at least until you put a Conti 111 tire on!

@ChrisMillerCycling 4 ай бұрын

Interesting, especially about the weight of the black edition. Thanks for the information

@DPbike 4 ай бұрын

@@ChrisMillerCycling hi Chris. I think I have solved the weight issue. All these LOOKs come stock bikes with butyl inner tubes. I just weighed them, 250g for the pair! So difference between this Dura Ace 56 spec and my Team black Ultegra XS spec, is basically down to the inner tubes for the 56 (I am running tubeless) and Galfer rotors on my XS, as all other components are the same (saddle, cages etc). This leaves about 150g difference to be accounted for due to the larger frame, longer stem and wider bars and maybe a bit more paint! Makes more sense to me now. The Blade frame is still pretty chunky though compared to the other one-bike to do it all types, especially the SL8. Pretty sure a chunk of the chunkiness is due to the T47 alloy bottom bracket shell. Do the pros, with the life span of their frames and the expert mechanics to set up the bikes, need this kind of BB, my guess is no! LOOK sell the Blade as a lighter aero bike, which you can argue in its design it is - boat-hull like bottom bracket, flat seat stay to frame join, thin aero seat post etc. With the Corima wheels at least, it appears less aero, than an SL8, and not much lighter than an S5. Still, in the stock package it really does ride very nicely and I will be keeping this dog for a long time hopefully, even though in performance terms it don't seem to be the dog's-b*ll*cks! :)

@lolbubs11111 4 ай бұрын

21:18 good across all yaw angles is great but realistically we spend 80-90% of the time in low yaw conditions, so we should weigh those more heavily.

@lukedebono 4 ай бұрын

Great podcast, look forward to episode 100!

@ChrisMillerCycling 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for listening

@TheBassallyear100 4 ай бұрын

went from a Madone Gen 6 to a Tarmac SL8. i really like the SL8 but have to admit that if i needed a size 58 or larger i'm not sure i could stomach the way that the speed sniffer looks on those bigger sizes. i'd probably go for an SL7 and deal with the extra 100g if i needed a 58 or larger. my SL8 with pedals, cages, out front mount and varia mount is still well under 6.8 kg.

@TK-nc3ou 4 ай бұрын

All are the same

@winbrendan 4 ай бұрын

Good episode and I agree getting the off the shelf bike at that price point is kinda silly. Because I think all the aero talk has reached peak Aero under current UCI rules (with a rider on the frame and when riding in a group) I wanted to buy the lightest bike frame that was actually available. I went with the Orbea Orca and I have the choice of Reynolds 46 and 65 black wheels. Combined wirh the New sram group, shorter cranks and narrower handlebars. Each item I careuflly thought through it is clearly the fastest bike ive owned and the bike im replacing was an aero bike. It weights in at 7.1 kg with bottles cages, pedals and garmin mount. You can build a faster bike (and lighter) than off the shelf options.

@dan0368 4 ай бұрын

I think you guys could easily do a bonus episode every now and then just with subscriber questions.

@andarenbici 4 ай бұрын

Thank you for adding chapters. Seems like any bike from the bunch with the right wheels works.

@logojones96 4 ай бұрын

Still keen to see Chris on an S-works, just out of pure curiosity. Someone let him borrow an sl8 for a few months lol

@czts4778 4 ай бұрын

They don’t like specialized

@logojones96 4 ай бұрын

@@czts4778 haha well aware of that, would still like to see it

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 4 ай бұрын

@ChrisMillerCycling 4 ай бұрын

… With Red Bull Bora decals … if anyone is reading this 😂

@ChrisMillerCycling 4 ай бұрын

@@czts4778I do like Specialized bikes. I just didn’t like the way they got rid of the Venge. I know why they did it, but I would still prefer the idea of that bike being available. The other thing, we really just don’t see many of them here, they are behind Giant, Trek, Cervelo and even Cannondale on the cyclists we see.

@theoswinscow 4 ай бұрын

Chris, that particular stage was amazing. Castillo vs vlasov was amazing. Though I agree there are too many of those types of stage on the vuelta as a whole

@MrJaycobsen 4 ай бұрын

@@theoswinscow that battle was epic!

@Pmor75 4 ай бұрын

was cool to watch. Perhaps the best stage so far?!

@wyattvigilante1120 4 ай бұрын

Loving the longer podcasts! Perfect for a chill endurance ride

@addictcyclist 4 ай бұрын

Excellent conversation and analysis

@siegfriedpfeifer1379 4 ай бұрын

That Gillet with the Holes 12/10 !!!

@StevenStephens-ql1yo 4 ай бұрын

To ride with a road bike group ride that you are to fast for, bring a gravel bike with 40 to 45mm tires that usually normalizes your fitness by going with a less efficient bike. I also sometimes change to platform pedals on the gravel bike it want little more challenge. It get a workout while not angering your mates.

@JayLato 4 ай бұрын

Psst…. “Show reader” in safari….. but this one is still worth supporting them with a sub. They deserve the $ here. That’s a ton of work.

@dominicbritt 4 ай бұрын

Nice rabbit hole!

@boniverify 4 ай бұрын

It's hard to say which test is more valid. The issue is that a rider on the bike adds additional variables, which introduces additional uncertainties. It's not only the body position, but also the "shape" of the rider. The aerodynamic interaction between rider and bike depends as much (if not more) on the rider than on the bike. Hence, one bike might be faster for one rider while another bike would be faster for another rider.

@IK47-d2l 4 ай бұрын

Removing the rider makes it a very valid test

@boniverify 4 ай бұрын

@@IK47-d2l Sure, for the aerodynamics of the bike. However, any interactions between rider and bike are not accounted for. For sure it's good that they did both.

@StopTheRot 4 ай бұрын

@@boniverifythis

@malmsey1541 4 ай бұрын

@@IK47-d2l apart from the fact a bike is never ridden on it's own and aerodynamics are always the whole system. A test without a rider is mostly pointless imo

@IK47-d2l 4 ай бұрын

@@malmsey1541 by adding the rider to the test you're adding 100 more variables and that doesn't serve the test well

@DYCARBINE 4 ай бұрын

Chris and Jesse I noticed something really strange with these wind tunnel results that I would really like your thoughts on. None of the bikes are showing the "sailing effect" that we see in other aero test results. If you look at aero drag/CdA vs. Yaw plots from Specialized, Canyon, Tour for example, you will see that aero bikes tend to have a higher drag at 0 yaw, then the yaw decreases down to 10-15 degrees due to the "sailing effect", and then drag jumps back up as flow detaches at higher yaw. You don't really see this at all in the Cyclingnews test. Since the sailing effect is what a lot of the more aero frames and wheels rely on to get lower drag figures, its absence may be why some of the more aero frames didn't get more standout results. I guess the question is why is this effect missing here? Is "sailing" something everyone else is misleading us with, or is it something that the wind tunnel Cyclingnews used isn't able to detect?

@DYCARBINE 4 ай бұрын

Also my size small 2025 Aeroad CF SLX with ultegra di2 is 7.4kg... something is off with Cyclingnews' data.

@MP48 4 ай бұрын

Apparent wind effect of an aero frame is a scam. You need a lot of surface area for that to come into play

@HeadPack 4 ай бұрын

That sailing effect with yaw from the front seems counter intuitive for me. Total drag is coefficient of drag times the frontal area. The latter increases with yaw, and the former most likely too. So, with a tail wind coming slightly from the side, there may be a sailing effect, but from the front it seems doubtful to me that it can lead to a reduction in watts.

@tommyfreckmann6857 4 ай бұрын

BINGO! That was my thought too! And this definitely is the case. Plus, I think the aero frames definitely show their true colors in low yaw situations which makes most sense to me. The air hitting between 0-5 degrees of yaw, with larger side surface area allows the flow to stay attached, hence reducing drag. As you see the Dogma, S5, Aeroad and Ostro are all a bit lower CDA.

@joerosser6620 4 ай бұрын

Here is another consideration when putting a rider on the bike. Yes they may have tested the same size bikes but as we know the geometry would have been completely different on every bike, now the body geometry of the rider they used would of matched up with some of the bikes better than others and put them it a more aero position etc. where as if you used a different test rider (even one that rides the same size bike) but has a different body geometry they may fit different bikes better which puts them in a more aero position and give them completely different results. So how important doesn’t matching the rider to the brand of bike become. You see it in the pro peloton, some brands just don’t have right geometry bike for some riders.

@daryloya 17 күн бұрын

Hi Chris, what's your camera setup on the 1:10:00 minute ride?

@ask4janice 4 ай бұрын

Winner: Non-aero bikes. Losers: anybody who is not a pro riding at 48kph buying an expensive aero bike.

@MrJohnnyTN 4 ай бұрын

UDH and Transmission are not the same. But you need the larger hole that is part of UDH to run transmission. You jump on transmission, not necessary UDH

@julienhuxley4172 4 ай бұрын

The figuring out of seasons and north/south hemisphere conversions 👌

@joekawasaki 4 ай бұрын

The Cannondale aero bottle & cage set is 100 grams on its own!

@danridesbikes 4 ай бұрын

bottles 69g on my kitchen scales, is the cage 31g? cannot be bothered to unbolt, an Elite fly in 550ml is 54g, so not exactly much in it, considering your sticking 550g of water in in

@MrJohnnyTN 4 ай бұрын

Trek RSL aero are roughly 100g also. I use. them on my BMC Teammachine R

@cmathews1 4 ай бұрын

Yeah I don't think any world tour / pro conti / conti team would be running those cages.

@cipo36an203 4 ай бұрын

Yet, some brands did those efficiency test 20 years ago, but glad some public data are being made.

@adamcoppock5018 4 ай бұрын

It would be good to back test versions of the same bike model to validate the marketing stuff we hear everytime brands release updated models.

@lovenottheworld5723 4 ай бұрын

With that lightweight bike efficiency thing, Bicycle Quarterly Magazine explored this concept ten years ago and made up a term for it called 'planing'.

@MichaelWilliams-iv6dj 4 ай бұрын

I have been looking at a new aero bike. I wasn’t necessarily leaning toward the Factor until I went to the website and found out that you basically the bike to match your fit needs. Need a 36 cm wide stem in a 140 length? Check. Want some 165 crank arms? Check. Does this cost more? No. Aero is so position dependent and the Factor is the only bike I wouldn’t have to build from scratch or spend extra money to replace parts. Kudos to Factor with an also mention to the new Canyon for kind of making things less than awful.

@davidfidler6449 4 ай бұрын

I couldn’t agree more. I don’t get why all manufacturers don’t do this already.

@Pablo_Coach 3 ай бұрын

@@davidfidler6449 Rose bikes

@cornishalps9870 4 ай бұрын

Funny, I raced Josh Croxton a couple times this year, thought I recognised the team tor 2000 kit, They ran a decent stage race just last weekend.

@BJKeane-mc6bm 4 ай бұрын

The group ride discussion about steam rolling and when/how to attack should be a PSA that I can clip and distribute to some of my local dummies. Maybe I'll make a QR code and print some cards to handout that link to the timestamp on the video. Great chat.

@PedroPrego 4 ай бұрын

Granfondo cycling also did major aero and ride testing for high end wheels. Also very interesting.

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 4 ай бұрын

@YannickOkpara-d5l 4 ай бұрын

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeedUCI toptube Ban has nothing to do with disc vs rim or frame weight, mate 😅

@valiantabello 4 ай бұрын

Nobody wants to read your novella@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed

@alfonsokhiew2872 4 ай бұрын

@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeedcalm down old man. Bikes last decade were meh honestly.

@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 4 ай бұрын

@@YannickOkpara-d5l The reason why the super tuck was banned was because the top tube couldn't take the weight anymore. We used to sit on our top tube all the time because it was so strong it wouldn't matter. The top tube today has 10 times less carbon on it. The reason was to save weight. That took away the most aerodynamic tuck for descending.

@matthewkramer8613 2 ай бұрын

The most driven cycling enthusiast will likely change the wheelset for better hubs and lighter spec. The aero drag impact can be affected by depth and shape especially at cross wind. The difference between all these bikes is pretty small. Pro riders would be most interested every extra watt. Plus or minus 3 watts could be compensated or lost by the rider. It's fun to know more about what's being offered out the gates for performance and potential aero.

@10100110101 4 ай бұрын

Expecting more from a GCN video is wild behaviour, Chris ! 😂

@william2788 4 ай бұрын

You should maybe check out the aero test done for the seka spear. Aerocoach did a test between the seka spear, exceed, sl8 and giant tcr. All bikes with dura ace and zipp 404s with the rider on the hoods. The seka spear and sl8 were pretty even. At yaw angle of 0, CdA was .385. for the TCR it was .395. When the yaw angles got a little extreme the gap was worse but it was roughly a difference of .01 for the CdA. That said a rider on the hoods with CdA of .385 seems kind of high. So i wonder if the rider was more aero at around .3 to .32 if the gap would be smaller or larger. A comparison of the aero hoods position on each bike would be interesting. Its not clear to me that all riders in all positions will see a .01 benefit. If the benefit is only hoods and in the drops and aero hoods it doesnt make a difference, it would be interesting to know.

@robertchandler587 4 ай бұрын

If the middle group is too easy then fatigue yourself with some efforts or rides in days running up to the ‘easy’ group ride or start the ride already with ks in the legs. In the past I’ve ridden 30km or more to the start of a group ride. Ultimately if it’s too easy you have to see it more as endurance ride and approach it differently.

@andyheilmann1656 4 ай бұрын

I think you have to test the package wheels if you are also considering the price. I'm less picky on tires, because those will wear out much faster.

@seanreilly6618 4 ай бұрын

You guys hit the nail on the head, the gap fillers are second tier citizens in the bunch. If you are a huge rouleur contributing all the speed then you can do as you please and if that means leaving a gap so that you can roll smoother and reach the front fresher then so be it.

@thekyle371 4 ай бұрын

The part about the pace line etiquette has to become a reel. There’s so many tiny details that people don’t pay attention to and they’re making life harder than it has to be

@ChrisMillerCycling 4 ай бұрын

Leave it with me 😁

@Miles_and_Motions 4 ай бұрын

You can also start riding a gravel bike with big slicks will require more power and you will get stronger while still riding with your mates.

@MartinGrisley 3 ай бұрын

In the UK the CFR in the current model doesn't come with Ultegra only the CF SLX. The wheels also look like they're the ones that come with the SLX and not the CFR. Took a look back at Canyon's site from a few dates in 2023 and the previous Aeroad CFR was Dura-Ace, Red and Campag only. I wonder if they got a bike that was not stock, or whether it was the CF SLX. Now from an aero perspective it would only make a minor difference but from a weight perspective, that might explain the position it took. Just a thought and caveat being that Canyon takes the same approach to models in the market they performed the test. (Didn't pay my £1 to find out more :) )

@JeremyDawesJezweb 4 ай бұрын

Chris, if you have a cricket century story for episode 100 that would be fitting.

@ChrisMillerCycling 4 ай бұрын

Was a little leggy, plenty of turning wicket stories for you

@amaranthinagony 4 ай бұрын

As a note, the Madone SLR 7 AXS that they tested has Bontrager Pro wheels on it, not the RSL (highest tier) that would come on the SLR 9 Shimano/SRAM Red AXS build spec. Also curious to know if they would have weighed it “bottles on” since they’re a part of the “total rider system” that the marketing talks about for the aero advantage of that bike.

@amaranthinagony 4 ай бұрын

Regarding Primoz’s bike change. Most of the pros are running 54/41 on the SRAM side of things, so they wouldn’t be able to get a 1:1 in that configuration. Even the smallest pro setups are usually the 50/37 option and that would *almost* be 1:1

@Wcx740 4 ай бұрын

Really interesting chat about group ride attacking etiquette. I go on a lot of fast group rides in Boulder CO and I would say there is essentially zero etiquette. People attack like mad, nobody cares if you fill a gap or not, etc. I would say the main thing is, don't drop a wheel and let a gap open up and force the person behind you to come around and fill it. Especially on a fast low-angle uphill. Otherwise it seems like all is fair game!

@ChrisMillerCycling 4 ай бұрын

Interesting. I kinda like that “no rules” mentality. I wonder if it’s maybe the fact you have bigger riding groups. Our groups are so small, we all know each other quite well, so you’re less incline to be a dick.

@Wcx740 4 ай бұрын

@@ChrisMillerCycling I guess I should say, not all of them are like that of course. And we usually agree on the segment of the ride where you can attack and where not to.

@ExplorinDoranRBrown 3 ай бұрын

We need the wind tunnel data on the gilet slots please ❤😂

@bykr2009 4 ай бұрын

Interesting stuff about Jesse's rowing!

@ruudboek 4 ай бұрын

How did the bike with the boxed rims do?

@kevingregoire1042 4 ай бұрын

torso angles or dirty air flow could bring massively change theese results, drive side, you didn't check the corima inner rim width, if they are 17 or 19, and all the others are 21 or more, and even hookless, the aero could drastically be affected, without it being the look frame. great talk guys !

@kevingregoire1042 4 ай бұрын

Corima are 26 outer dimensions, On that alone the wheels make the loss, others are 28 and 30, up with better profiles.

@PeterPutz82 4 ай бұрын

I'd love to see a tricked out Tavelo Arow with CRW wheels in the wind test.

@MrJaycobsen 4 ай бұрын

I would like to see the same as you guys for next aero test. Pimped out older frame and some china bikes

@petedannatt 4 ай бұрын

Would be nice to see the Ribbles tested. Do the wake generating handlebars make a difference or just a gimmick!

@andrewverdon9718 4 ай бұрын

keen for the america's cup chat !!

@chris_gb_ 4 ай бұрын

At the data points where there are odd spikes, I wonder if there could be some interaction with the stands holding the bikes up? As apparently is always the case with aero testing, results = more questions to be asked and answered with more testing.

@alexejschulz5306 4 ай бұрын

In the article they simply averaged all tested yaw angles without weighting them more in the style of a gaussian curve. Different studies about yaw angles in the field reflect a majority of angles in a range of +/- 5 degrees and a lot less towards +/- 10. Where larger yaw angles matter more, aerodynamics simply don’t matter much in total - slow riding speeds.

@robertwevans84 4 ай бұрын

Can they wind tunnel test just the wheels on there own (with a matching width tyre) then we can just deduct the watts depending on which wheel set we choose.

@theotheroneb1548 4 ай бұрын

31:45 to be fair it's second tier everything on the trek. Saddle, wheels, and group set are all second tier so there's another over 100g in wheels, maybe 50g or so in the saddle, plus the half kilo on the group you mentioned.

@marcvb3364 4 ай бұрын

Typical Trek: pay full price, get second tier Bontrager spec, expect you to pay overpriced Bontrager premium spec.

@ianmoore3785 4 ай бұрын

The proponents of bike fit have said the rider accounts for 80% of the overall resistance, if I remember correctly, which means that bike alone data should/could be even less useful than it appears to be, with the weighting of bike alone being 1/5th of the overall result.

@DJMSydney 4 ай бұрын

Lads, a discussion topic for you; can you wear different branded kit togther, ie Rapha bibs, Attaquer jersey and MAAP socks?

@vadouvan 4 ай бұрын

Jesse dropping “rowing crew” at 1:25:35 makes me think he might have competed in the Head of the Charles Regatta 😅

@teweraijanda2994 4 ай бұрын

You guys speak in staccato.. nothing wrong with it..just find it interesting.😃

@Darragh_7 3 ай бұрын

can't unhear it now 🙂

@lucalupoli667 3 ай бұрын

How much was the difference between the areo bikes (considering they performed quite similar) and the old non aero bike with the rider on It?

@juanhidalgo7043 3 ай бұрын

I am an engineer and this numbers go out the window. If you are a top level professional cyclist the numbers ok. For normal yo, overweight, tall, short, broad chests, etc. this topic is non sense. Get real guys. But I get it you need to show something in your show.

@Mike0 4 ай бұрын

imagine whats gonna happen once the pros find out about pedaling efficiency 🔥🔥

@shaoru 4 ай бұрын

a lack of differences in tests like this should be taken with a large grain of salt (i.e., one can not say with confidence that they are all equally good). statistics are only really useful in establishing differences, not similarities

@richardholness7053 4 ай бұрын

They really should have tested the bikes with the same components, in particular wheels if they were testing the framesets. It is a full bike as specced test. What this test suggests, if other wheel testing I have seen is correct (i.e. makes up most of these differences) is that the rider is such a critical factor that the framesets are all within error (I.e. it doesn't matter) and that's in a controlled environment. Put all the other variables into play on the road in reality, the frame (amongst this lot at least) is irrelevant. Interestingly, weight then becomes a buying factor. Wheels and tyres (road resistance) also more important. Also, if you don't get the top spec version of the frame...I.e. less fancy carbon, you know you are still getting top end aero.

@znalniaskas 3 күн бұрын

According to Tour Magazine the Ostro VAM has meh stiffness overall (for a top level bike) and mostly in the BB area and also not that great compliance.

@augustgames6502 4 ай бұрын

Regarding the efficiency test. Did they account for gear ratio, chain line, chain quality, bb bearing friction. The difference sounds too small to be conclusive, with only two bikes tested imo.

@PeterLombardGuam 4 ай бұрын

Simply repeat the test with identical wheelsets on all frames. Only changes a single variable, easy to perform, and would provide valuable information about the frame performance controlling for the wheels.

@alexmagarey8566 4 ай бұрын

i need to see jessie on a SL8

@ChrisMillerCycling 4 ай бұрын

X 2

@mikespadafora9077 4 ай бұрын

So really it’s the rider that makes the difference. A fast rider will be fast on just about anything and a slow rider will not. Mind blowing. 😜 All this time I thought I could walk into the store and be as fast as any pro rider if I bought an “aero” bike.

@R1.1Youtube 4 ай бұрын

These bikes are way overweight. I have two 54cm cm S-Works w/ Dura-Ace, Roval wheels and bars; plus pedals and head mount unit: 1) Venge is 15.08 lbs/6.8 kilos (we pedals and computer mount). SL8 is 14.59 lbs/6.6 kilos (with pedals and computer mount). For all of these bikes you’d need to add .6lbs/300 grams. I don’t find weight bikes useful without pedals, spec or control.

@pierremaggi8661 4 ай бұрын

I saw the (already long) discussion on the cycling news test on weightweenies forum, I was looking for you to discuss this on the Nero show !

@matthewbenger8355 4 ай бұрын

Not sure where in Scotland the guy from the group ride is. But likely to be either Glasgow or Edinburgh (based on population distribution). Sounds like it could be Edinburgh and be the Saturday Edinburgh road club rides...? Go do 3/4 laps of Arthur's seat (or similar location if elsewhere) doing some efforts prior to the ride then do the easier chainy group as a more Endurance ride