5 tips to help your quad fly its best! Freestyle, Cinewhoop, Toothpick, Tiny whoop or Long Range!

This is for any quad from Tiny whoops to 7inch+ whether you fly freestyle, cinewhoops, toothpicks, Long Range by line of sight or FPV!
Step 1: VTX antennas can cause a lot of problematic vibrations. Keep them short and secure them tightly so they can't move.
More Info: • Vibration analysis of ...
Step 2: Bidirectional D-shot. Should work out-of the box with BLHeli32 If you are running BLHeli_S you need to upgrade to BLHeli_M to get it working
More info: • BetaFPV Pavo30 reviewe...
Step 3: Filter tuning is a big topic. Fortunately I've broken it right down in this video! • Betaflight 4.2 filter ...
Step 4&5: You can do even more with the PIDs to make the quad fly great! If you want to learn how I have a whole video on it: • Betaflight 4.2 PID tun...
If you love this I have a Patreon and would appreciate your support: / chris_rosser

[@kaskalo2]

I decided to tune my whoop. I spent hours and hours in past few days watching all possible videos on it. Including Chris's detailed walkthroughs. It did help me understand things. But when I went to work, I realized my whoop doesn't have onboard blackbox logging. So I just gave up. At the end I came here, to this video. With prerequisite that I had bluejay, I followed these few steps - turned off all "unnecessary" filters, and set few numbers on the one that i left. Then I reduced I term and FF and played with Master multiplier. I reached full 2.0. Then I returned I term, and set FF to 2.0 (to match MM). Needles to say I tuned my whoop in like 20mins to fly waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy better. I literary had a smile on my face to see how much better I controlled it. Thank you Chris, you are brilliant!

[@slowentropy4531]

Thanks Chris, mate we are lucky to have you in the hobbie. I know some give some hate with the level of thought you put in, but believe me there are plenty of us so grateful you're pushing the tech forward for the love if it. Hope you don't get burnt out on FPV like so many, hope it just stays fun for you mate. When all said and done we just out there to have some fun n lose ourselves in lil machines a pack at a time. Very few of us ever plan or can make any money etc from our beloved drones, just fun.

[@ChrisRosser]

Thanks for the support. I really appreciate it! Onwards and upwards, haters gonna hate 🤷‍♂️ 😁

[@ls4life544]

I adjusted the filtering mainly as you indicated and it made a world of difference. Thanks so much.

[@ChrisRosser]

Glad it helped!

[@feinbush]

OMG thought I had my QAV-S flying perfect.. made these changes and i am in LOVE!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!

[@ChrisRosser]

You're so welcome! Glad I could help.

[@onceamantwiceaboy]

Done this on 4 x 5 inch quads now and your PID tuning method. Thanks for simplifying the process and making it so much easier and making my quads fly so much better

[@ChrisRosser]

Nice work! Glad that the tips helped!

[@thfpv4974]

Thank you so much Chris!!! Iv been into fpv for about 7 months now .. I have watched your vids over and over and now I have a good understanding on how to tune my quadcopters ..this video was very short and to the point ... can't thank you enough buddy 🥂🥂🥂🥂#givethanks

[@ChrisRosser]

Great to hear! Hoping this shorter tips style video helps peope who aren't so into the long 20min+ videos.

[@JohnFSmitheugene]

I like the ‘shorties’ like this one. Especially when I forgot to take notes or write any settings down from when I watched the 20 minute vid! And especially when I’m ready to go fly and remember that I wanted to try out that new [take your pick…any setting] to see if it improves the [ take your pick… any setting]. Seriously Chris, the quality of the improvements that you recommend speaks volumes to me. Your vid’s, and the tech in them, have become a first stop in my reference library for quads. Many thanks!

[@JSKCKNIT]

Great tips. The filter and PID tuning is what I need help with the most. Thanks!!

[@ChrisRosser]

Glad to help!

[@francescorobotti8341]

Thanks a lot!!! You saved my 2,5' topthpick with your tips!!

[@franciswong26]

Hi Chris! Thanks for your short but useful tips again! I learn a lot from all your simple but high quality tutorial. One thing I would like to point out is that, besides of your video content, the opinion /argument from the others brought out by your video is also a very good way of learning. I always believe that good discussion brings even more useful knowledge. This channel is the most worthy one for me to read all the comments all along. Keep it up! 💪🏻👍🏻

[@ChrisRosser]

The commenters on my videos know their stuff! Thanks for your support.

[@thfpv4974]

Indeed!!

[@vjvenida3991]

I only follow your tips, so please keep'em coming. Thanks Chris

[@ChrisRosser]

Thanks, will do!

[@frankensteinfpv]

Will give this a go tomorrow. Thanks Chris 😃👍

[@onceamantwiceaboy]

Wow.....this filtering is working on multiple quads from 2.5" to 5" in combination with ELRS its just a joy....thank you for this

[@ChrisRosser]

You're very welcome!

[@LourieJacobs79]

Chris I cannot thank you, Timmy RC and he UAV tech enough today! For the first time since stopping flying on BF3.6, I finally feel in control of my quad again - raw power, locked in, feels like I remember great feeling quads feel like! I did everything you said on this video, except for the antenna, still running my iFlight Albatros and also turned off EVERY BF4.2.9 feature except presets recommended by The UAV tech. Running on RAW PID tuning as it used to be and MAN what a difference! Even TX16s inputs feels a ton smoother without smoothing on 4.2.9. I'm running 8k/8k with BD Dshot 600, JESC 2.2 48khz, motor start 0.125. I instantly have my confidence back, ripped a new 4s pack to death without caring - THANK you so much for all you do, I and all the rest of the unnamed thousands of fpv pilots appreciate it more than you will ever fully know!

[@ChrisRosser]

Thank you! Glad to hear that my work made such a difference for you!

[@saturn_fpv]

Hi @Apocreation FPV I'm new to tuning. What do you mean by "turned off EVERY BF4.2.9 feature"?

[@022fpv]

Thank you from Brazil!

[@jeffallantaylor]

Another great tip Chris. I'll be trying that out when the weather clears :)

[@takumorrison4609]

Same here - cheers Chris

[@ChrisRosser]

Thanks for your support! Happy flying 😁

[@ferfpvbcn]

Really nice tips thanks!! 🙌🙌

[@ChrisRosser]

Glad you like them!

[@nadavfedida2200]

Brilliant stuff once again!!

[@ChrisRosser]

Thanks!

[@gmivisualsjason3729]

Very short and to the point....... keep em coming

[@ChrisRosser]

Thanks! I'm hoping this reaches people who aren't ready for a longer video

[@MatthewTaylor3]

I'm very excited to try all these settings today

[@ChrisRosser]

Go for it! I hope it helps your quad fly geven better.

[@Switch180fpv]

Short and crisp thank you!

[@ChrisRosser]

You're welcome!

[@h2o-fpv623]

Thank u for this tips will try them and for the antenna great because i was going to put a long antenna to the kwad i just build .

[@ChrisRosser]

Yeah the long antenna is sneaky... It'll get you if you're not careful!

[@user-ic3rr1nw8r]

When is the full video about damping grease coming out? Can’t wait to see it

[@ChrisRosser]

It's already out kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2W7fJedp5trjbc

[@mouseFPV]

Your antenna advice isn't wrong per 'se, but ill take a 25% increase in video quality over a 5% reduction in flight performance.... I think the stock length caddx vista or a stock rush lollipop antenna is a good compromise. no need for the super long antenna, but a stubby isnt enough either...

[@grabejud]

i agree on you on this. i have a stubby for freestyle/proximity and rush for general flying mix coz it has better video signal.

[@mouseFPV]

@@grabejud yeah for sure depends on the environment and output power, and type of flying.

[@ChrisRosser]

100% agree with you. I see people running super long antennas on freestyle rigs and having difficulty with vibrations all the time. Just knowing that a long VTx antenna can cause Jello can be really helpful for those pilots! Obviously you have to make the best decision for your flying.

[@MrSabram07]

Great question, I was wondering how a short stubby would affect range and quality

[@mouseFPV]

@@MrSabram07 to me the issue with a stubby isn't quite that its "worse range in a quantifiable sense", but that it is far more *inconsistent*. When you have LOS from the goggles to the antenna, the range should be the same. The problem with the stubby is there is a much higher chance that carbon or a standoff or the lipo is in the way of that....so it kinda depends.

[@justhackitfpv]

Slider tip was really new and cool

[@ChrisRosser]

Thanks! I'm glad it helped 😁

[@fawkeyes5111]

thanks man. my 95x is in awe.

[@ChrisRosser]

Great to hear! Happy flying. 😁

[@stevee7029]

Hey Chris, happy to see you in a Q&A on another channel! One more question about the AOS 5.5, do you have a motor (size) recommendation outside the usual 5" motors? 2306 or should one go larger like a 25xx, 28xx, etc? Trying, as always, to keep it light. This nice short vid has another great set of suggestions, BTW. Thanks again!

[@ChrisRosser]

2208 for the 5.5 😁

[@MVMTV4Videos]

i have not flown FPV yet, but i will get one. One of these days. thumbs up, well done

[@ChrisRosser]

I hope you enjoy it. Are you getting some stick time in the simulator?

[@tonomoto]

awesome tips

[@ChrisRosser]

Thank you!

[@gabyguay6990]

Gracias Chris, esta manera de explicar fácil y hablando despacio se entiende perfectamente. Gracias a ti, he empezado a usar betaflight y el tunning correctamente. Todos los tips ayudan a mejorar la respuesta del quad. LOL!!

[@ChrisRosser]

¡Gracias por tu apoyo y amable comentario! Me alegra saber que su dron está volando mejor. 😁

[@VitriFly]

Nice video dude!

[@ChrisRosser]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it! Lots more to come 😁

[@VitriFly]

@@ChrisRosser yes bro, I want to work with you to try to find best tune for sbang. Its going to take over the world! Let's help eachother!

[@timeanspace]

Nice and concise

[@ChrisRosser]

Yep! I know not everyone is into the 20min+ deep dives :D

[@Stepanhuge]

Nice video! could you repeat with the newest version of betaflight. Best regards!

[@chrisreece8564]

Great video! I'm also curious to see some of this tuning stuff in 4.3 (soon hopefully? but I'm using a nightly build for GHST) as it looks like a lot of options got modified and its not the same as doing it in 4.2. Have you looked into this at all?

[@ChrisRosser]

I'm flying a 4.3 nightly but I'm not making content about it until its in RC. Encouraging people to use unreleased code is not software best practice!

[@northernflyer5311]

Chris, very good. I’d like to see a video of what can be done in iNav to match this tune.

[@ChrisRosser]

Great suggestion! I'm starting to look into Emuflight but iNav is still a mystery to me!

[@egyptianuavpilot]

Thanks Chris for the informative video, the information you present are really valuable and amazingly useful to all hobbyists. I would appreciate your technical advice in regard to my Rekon 4 inch quad, freestyle drone, i am trying to get it done on betaflight and seemingly everything is fine, my issue is the motors, when i checked them on betaflight i made sure the reverse is active so they are all spinning in the right direction and when i tried them on in motors tab, everything worked smoothly, but when i put the props on just to hover the quad and feel it, i just touched the throttle slightly and the quad took off so fast and hit the ceiling, seemingly the motors are spinning too fast without even touching the throttle ,,,,, what do you think Chris ??

[@ChrisRosser]

Head on over to my discord server. You'll find some expert help from me and others in the support hanger! discord.gg/ErcNUPJsFF

[@kerashinnaidoo3013]

Thanks for this Chris, I applied the BF settings to my Diatone Taycan & it made a big difference (will test with GoPro weight once the wind settles). The motors are now warm versus "hot to touch". If you have any other recommendations for such a model Cinewhoop, that would be great.

[@ChrisRosser]

If I do you know I'll make a video! Thanks for the comment.

[@marcalbert8980]

Hi Chris. Thanks for sharing knowledges and to make it so easy to apply (and understandable). It helped many quads to fly really well! I hope you'll have sometimes to talk about the 4.3 version of Betaflight soon 😁 Regards!

[@ChrisRosser]

Glad it was helpful!

[@gimbalair]

great video but can we have it updated as some of those functions are not in 4.4 now like DMIN

[@GenesRCAddiction]

Very amazing the way my bird fly's now 💪💪👊👍 I must say YOU KNOW IT ALL 😁👊✌

[@ChrisRosser]

That's awesome to hear thanks for your comment. I don't know it all but what I do know I like to share 😁

[@GenesRCAddiction]

@@ChrisRosser your very welcome 👊👊 I spent 11 hour's building myself a drone over night 👊👊 looking forward to getting in the air today 🙏👍✌

[@dflyfpv8765]

Nice! Thx.

[@ChrisRosser]

No problem!

[@SnR]

Thank you very much! I have applied these settings on my FlyWoo Hexacopter Nano, which runs a nightly build of BF 4.3. I had to first flash the ESC with JESC to get the Bidir dshots. Results; Indoor flight is exceptional in initial tests. I am to have very good control and flight in full acro. I'll test outside tomorrow in windy conditions and see how it performs, especially on dives. Thanks again!

[@ChrisRosser]

No problem, happy to hear it worked for you!

[@SnR]

@@ChrisRosser I tested it outside today with mild wind. It is phenomenal! It was locked on the lines, very responsive, and gave me the confidence to take lines I've never taken before. This is quite an improvement. To make sure I wasn't biased, I reverted back to original PID tune and it was pretty bad. I even tried Original PID from FlyWoo + RPM filter, and it still wasn't nearly as good as your tune. I can now confirm that your tips work on a 1.6" hexactoper! Thank you thank you thank you!

[@LourieJacobs79]

Just flew this config on my custom 2.5" - lets be honest, I was ready to see a motor smoke... WOW cleanest flight I've had with it so far, I'm so impressed, I did both my 5" quads too, cant wait for tomorrow to test them out! Keep up the great work! -One two part question please; I'm using JESC 24khz with dshot300 paired with overclocked f405's, would there be a increased benefit in running 48khz and dshot600, because I've noticed power/thrust decrease going up from 24khz, or do I just need higher pids?

[@ChrisRosser]

If your F405 can run 8k/8k (which it should be able to I think) then Dshot600 is the way to go. I prefer 48K to 24K myself but you may need very slightly higher PIDs.

[@LourieJacobs79]

​@@ChrisRosser Thank you so much, looking forward to test this :)

[@Mustfly]

Short and clear. Really surprised about antenna mount, that it makes so significant effect on fly performance.

[@ChrisRosser]

Yeah the antenna mount is a huge deal. So many pilots run super long antennas for best possible signal and then have vibration issues, it can be very difficult to diagnose!

[@jtcustomknives]

I watched a JB video from like a year ago when he was reviewing the GoPro max 360 camera. You could see the quad in the video and the antenna was bobbling all around. It really set home in my mind that the antennas move around alit more then you would think.

[@karthikranga]

That's so simple and easy! Gonna try this soon. Do you happen to know what the stick response gain is called in OSD? I couldn't find it. The OSD has quite different names or terms than the one on BF config. Too confusing.

[@ChrisRosser]

Feedforward I think.

[@karthikranga]

@@ChrisRosser Thanks. will look into it.

[@badfourlife]

longer antennas can realllly help for long range so you dont get frame blocking signal(usually when headed home... have to fly sideways home with short antenna), especially if you only have one antenna using vista.... I just glue/3d print holders for 180mm albatross antennas for my light 20-30 min flyers as they have a stiff shaft that doesnt wobble and you can get it to stick up a lot higher to get out of the way of the frame

[@kithng]

two different scenario, for long range you probably not doing any flippy floppy freestyle stuff, in that case a long antenna won't affect much. But for agreesive freestyly, long antenna could be a problem.

[@ChrisRosser]

If you need it, you need it and you accept the vibration tradeoff. But most people who use long antennas don't need them.

[@drewthatsme6212]

Hi Chris! Would you recommend using these settings with a bind and fly crux3,with it already having a tune from factory?

[@BOMBA_FPV]

Thanks ! I saw some changes from your previous filter tunning video with the dynamic notch filter you keep the default value 150/600 instead of 100/400 is it better to narrow the filtering or keep it like you did in this video ? (on 5 and 6 inch)

[@ChrisRosser]

It depends. You want the notch range as narrow as possible whilst still covering all the peaks! If you check your blackbox that will tell you over what range you have peaks. 👍😁

[@BOMBA_FPV]

@@ChrisRosser thanks ;)

[@PURPLESKY420]

Hey Chris just been out and flown your advised setup only difference being dynamic notch min at 80 and max at 350 yours was 150 min 600 max should I change to that? Not sure as my 5inch quad has never flown this good so locked in thankyou Chris 👍👌🔥🔥🔥

[@ChrisRosser]

Try 150Hz on the dynamic notch it might makes things even better.

[@sam.pat.dronefpv]

Hi, Thank you for this tips. Concerning DShot bidirectionnal, what about the basic settings required to enable rpm filtering (cf. Betaflight wiki) : set scheduler_optimize_rate=on set dshot_burst=offset Is it mandatory to add it via CLI ? What happen if not used ?

[@ChrisRosser]

I have never used those CLI settings and I don't know if they are relevant in BF 4.2. You shouldn't need to set them.

[@TweakRacer]

Hey Chris, I want to see your Caddx Polar Nano review. Flywoo has it on their site already, so cat’s outta the bag :)

[@ChrisRosser]

Awesome. Video is live.

[@TweakRacer]

@@ChrisRosser Already watched and liked 😊 Is it any good in low light though?

[@gcdevicegc6103]

polar tends to make jollo, big jello, and you can't tune it out...

[@bethopi]

Good

[@ChrisRosser]

Thanks, appreciate your support!

[@highmastdon]

Could you make an updated version with the new versions of betaflight?

[@KrotowX]

Any idea how to fix wobbling on 75mm whoop in angle mode when throttle is pushed to high after being to zero and falling? I know than stabilized modes use separate calculations in Betaflight and not PID settings, but... Can't figure out are it is happening because props are too small or this may be fixed in configuration somehow.

[@ChrisRosser]

You can try to increase the master slider and see if it helps. Lighter pitch props and lightening the quad may also help.

[@VernStarr]

Looks like these filter and PID adjustments were made on BF 4.2.9. - are there any changes you'd recommend for 4.3? I've watched your 4.3 videos and the tips in this video, especially for the filtering, are pretty significantly different.

[@ChrisRosser]

I will be doing an updated top tips video for 4.3 at the end of the video series. 👍

[@VernStarr]

@@ChrisRosser I applied the filtering tip you showed here to a 5" quad running BF 4.3 w/ RPM filters and I was amazed that it flew so well. I'm looking forward to the rest of the 4.3 series!

[@northernflyer5311]

Chris, are you still recommending the vibration dampening grease?

[@ChrisRosser]

Absolutely. Nothing works better than Nyogel PG44A or 767A for reducing vibes.

[@Acestrex]

It’s a bit funny how I talked to you about the vtx antenna mount being a oversight.🤣

[@ChrisRosser]

💯 It turns out to be really important.

[@Acestrex]

@@ChrisRosser 👍

[@geordieboy77]

Chris when are you going to put the STL for the antenna mounts>

[@ChrisRosser]

Which frame are you after? The AOS 7 antenna mount is on thingiverse and a link on aos-rc.com

[@geordieboy77]

@@ChrisRosser Thanks for that Chris

[@embededfabrication4482]

I've had enough of betaflight disarming when you hit rescue mode, it's caused some damage.

[@whatsnext___]

The stubby looks like a stock dji goggle one. Can I use these on a caddx or an AU? Need an adapter?

[@ChrisRosser]

It isn't! You can use any compatible LHCP antenna for DJI.

[@whatsnext___]

@@ChrisRosser ok thx. My aos3.5 just arrived, wil put an antenna like that on it. The frame arrived with a miscut for one of the cam panels. Fast reply on my ticket. They’ll send a new part.

[@afifathnin]

Hey Chris, Betaflight 4.3 is out. Is it applicable to use the same pids/filter settings as 4.2.x?

[@ChrisRosser]

BF 4.3 is not yet released. I don't want to encourage people to use unreleased code, that is not software best practice! You can try the same filter settings.

[@afifathnin]

@@ChrisRosser ive got a serious question 🙋‍♂️. Can i use these filters and use on Emuflight? Emu doesnt have rpm filtering.

[@ChrisRosser]

@@afifathnin Probably not. I think they will be too aggressive. But there is no harm in trying if you go carefully. The dynamic notch may be enough.

[@jtcustomknives]

How would this work on a tinyhawk2

[@ChrisRosser]

It should work great!

[@TheDroneNerd]

What motors are those all plain black ones ?

[@ChrisRosser]

Shhh! that's a prototype of the AOS 5 BNF from iFlight. Those are XING2s.

[@divingfalconfpv4602]

Maybe the long antenna is my 54Hz spike but seems only with the big Li-ions

[@ChrisRosser]

That sounds very possible. Switch for a shorter one and see if it goes away or moves up in frequency?

[@anakrantauyt9784]

Very nice tq so much for the info....but i dont have any of it;)

[@ChrisRosser]

Thanks for your comment! Appreciate the support.

[@anakrantauyt9784]

@@ChrisRosser most welcome to also

[@syluntbob6877]

Does anyone make a VTx with 2 antenna inputs? A stubby at the front and rear could be good idea?

[@ChrisRosser]

I don't think so. There isn't much point having more than one antenna on Analog because it dosn't support diversity or MIMO. Just put more power through an Omni!

[@syluntbob6877]

@@ChrisRosser A VTX that supports diversity 🤔

[@ChrisRosser]

@@syluntbob6877 Analog doesn't support diversity transmission only diversity reception. This is also true of SB because the communication is one way.

[@extrabantfahrer]

So what does mini and micro sized quads mean? 2, 3 even 5 inch?

[@thiagosannafreiresilva4366]

+1 for this question. Do these apply to the smaller 2.5 and 3 inch micros as well?

[@luckymefpv]

Cinewhoop? Like the squirt v2??? Ty

[@ChrisRosser]

From Tiny whoop to 6inch! Including cinewhoops, micro long range etc.

[@Quadtastrophe]

@@ChrisRosser as well the way u tune the filter? 😳

[@ChrisRosser]

@@Quadtastrophe Yes. I fly the same filter settings for most quads up to 6". Give it a go and see if it works for you.

[@MamayFreeride]

I love to dive in the mountains on a 7 "drone. I get jelly during the dive. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqXUaohvbKmBrtk I have not tried shortening the antenna at the back as you suggest. Could this be the cause of the jelly? I think when I lower the engine speed, there is a resonance at low rpm. If the antenna is shortened and when the drone is turned towards me, the GoPro camera obstructs the antenna and the video signal becomes worse. On jelly, I did not test the shortened antenna. But from the pitch, I see little noise at 60-70 hertz. Could it be an antenna? I plan to turn off the noise filtering step by step in order to achieve the correct I-term compensation of the motors. Or do not reduce throttle while diving. There is also an option to print mounts for the gopro camera on the stands, which will damp vibration. I also have a 5 "drone, the antenna is long, the mounts for the GoPro camera on the racks and there are no vibrations.

[@ChrisRosser]

If you have a long antenna you have vibrations being created. Whether that is causing flight issues is difficult to know without logs. I have yet to see a quad with a long antenna that isn't limited by it in terms of flight performance.

[@akatopj22]

Has anyone done this to their beta85x.just did the step by step but haven't flown it yet.Anyone feel a diff with their quads

[@ChrisRosser]

@Fawkeyes was pleased with the result on his 95x. It should work well.

[@akatopj22]

@@ChrisRosser thank you for the reply,this would be my 1st attempt at any flight control changes to modify the drone.. Thank you again.

[@ChrisRosser]

@@akatopj22 no problem! Write down your settings first so you can go back if anything goes wrong.

[@coulsonwasthegluefpv7128]

Can I do this all to my tinyhawk freestyle 2?

[@ChrisRosser]

Yes, should work well!

[@coulsonwasthegluefpv7128]

@@ChrisRosser hey Chris I tried this and as soon as I armed it shot up in the sky. Did I do something wrong?

[@ChrisRosser]

@@coulsonwasthegluefpv7128 Perhaps there is a config error (prop direction?) or maybe your quad is too noisy for my filter settings.

[@coulsonwasthegluefpv7128]

@@ChrisRosser I've changed it back for now. I'll be watching your vids to educate myself some more 👍🏼

[@treeclimier272]

What about long range

[@TavoFourSeven]

The error doesnt always read right. I have a vid of my smoked motor going way slower with no error.

[@ChrisRosser]

Dshot error is to do with the communication between FC and ESC so if the motor is smoked but the ESC is Ok it won't give an error.

[@TavoFourSeven]

@@ChrisRosser aaah ok.

[@skyweaver3199]

Haha people talk about how hard pid tuning is....Well people here ya go z this is it. The entire process.

[@ChrisRosser]

Yeah you can get a huge improvement from just a few simple steps!

[@MrSabram07]

I feel like if this is the best for many quads why isn't it the default?

[@maxrackstraw]

Yeah that can be a good point considering these settings are great for most 5 inch setups. The only reason they are not default is because the devs of betaflight want the defaults to work on basically any quad you can thing of. Half an inch to 20 inch props. Its defaults are tuned for broad compatibility not perfomance unfortunately for 5 inch pilots... Although its fairly easy to tune nowadays!

[@SpiralEyesFPV]

I think this could be coming somewhat in the next version of betaflight where it has presets like tiny whoop, cinewhoop, 5 in freeestyle, 7 in longrange to choose to get closer

[@MrSabram07]

@@maxrackstraw yeah that makes sense I went to try this and I couldn't do bi-directional d-shot because I'm on BL heli S

[@ChrisRosser]

There's a link to how to update to BLHeli_M and get bidirectional Dshot in the video description.

[@MrSabram07]

@@ChrisRosser "M" is that some sort of third party branch of BL heli?

[@MrSmithFPV]

With the stubby antenna you are wrong! The stubbys are not more durable. They break very easy because they can't move... Already Destroyed 2 of them. And the signal is not good enough with rhem. Iam using the Lumenier AXII antenna and these are not too long and also not wobbling around. 👍

[@ChrisRosser]

I find the best is to use a flexible antenna with a UFL or MMCX and cable tie it to the arms. I think stubby durability does depend a lot on how you mount it. Thanks!

[@CUONGDELL]

Good and impressive content. good luck.M>>M

[@ChrisRosser]

Thank you! I appreciate the support.

[@marlin-fpv]

Please stop proposing filter settings like that. All it does is making people popping up in the fb review group asking for help because of burning hot motors! If you stick to the bf devs recommendation leave the gyro filter enabled and put the gyro slider to 2.0. You can put the dterm slider to a max. of 1.4. No gyro filtering with a single biquad is the worst filter recommendation you can give! Default I-term is already too high for a 5“ miniquad. I-Term = P-Term+15% is an appropriate value for almost all sizes. Get the balance right, raise your gains (which will be way lower than possible with your filter suggestion) and use FF to get the gyro tracking right. If your stick feeling isn‘t right after that being set up you need to change your rates.

[@l0stb1t]

The gyro slider at 2.0 is nearly useless, so you may just as well disable it. D term filtering is much more important to prevent hot motors, I agree having the slider at 1.4 is pretty much the maximum. Biquad (or even better the PT3 in Betaflight 4.3) works fine but don't even think about going higher than 110 Hz...

[@marlin-fpv]

@@l0stb1t With both gyro sliders being off you still loose like 10db of attenuation for the gain of maybe .3ms of latency which is worth nothing. Having a very clean gyro and d-term allows for much higher PID gains which will give you much higher PID authority resulting in a superb propwash handling.

[@l0stb1t]

@@marlin-fpv Sounds reasonable. I've always tried to get the lowest sensible filter delay, but will do some experiments with a bit more filtering and see how much the higher PIDs help.

[@ChrisRosser]

If someone has hot motors flying a mini/micro quad on this filter setup more likely than not there is something up with the mechanics of the quad and they should probably be looking for some support with that. In my experience this filter recommendation works better (cooler motors) than 1.5/1.5 on the sliders with less delay on most builds.

[@marlin-fpv]

@@ChrisRosser Not one of my buddies quads including my quads (clean/new builds) is flying at least decent with those settings. A lot of people popped up in the review group lately flying those settings asking for help, all of them on clean builds. The betaflight devs recommendations is not to switch off any default filters and don‘t use a biquad on dterm but obviously you seem to know better than Chris Thompson. 🙄

[@FPV_Thrills]

I know just *1 STEP* to make your quad flying great. *IT IS 700+ FLIGHT HOURS IN TRAINING* I guaranttee your quad flight great after it ... lol

[@ChrisRosser]

I would agree 100% and add that a good tune becomes even more important the more hours of practice you have! The extra confidence it gives you makes all the difference 😁