Christadelphianism: An Open Bible and a Prideful, Deceived Heart

[@shirleyhutchinson5823]

Look as far as I am concerned God called Jesus his son, Jesus called God his father what can be more simpler than that. When someone recently tried to explain the trinity to me all I finished up with was confusion and and one big headache. I personally don’t belong to any religion except to say I’m a Christian and I read the bible.

[@brucephillip6456]

When you have repented of your sins and know Jesus as your Father who has birthed you into His Son by receiving His Holy Resurrected Spirit by Marriage, you will then know God and be saved... and you certainly will not be a Christadelphian.

[@itsmewitches]

@@brucephillip6456You don’t know God, your “logic” makes no sense.

[@brucephillip6456]

@@itsmewitches Jesus Christ is my Lord and my God. My Faith is Perfect. But thank you for your false accusation satan.

[@itsmewitches]

@@brucephillip6456 I am not Satan so therefore you’re the false accuser, and Satan is the great deceiver so perhaps you’re a victim. Repent from your idolatry and know the true God, the God of Israel. “Here oh Israel, The Lord your God is ONE.”

[@brucephillip6456]

@@itsmewitches Jesus Christ is the True God of Israel, my Lord and my God. You are a devil, a false accuser of a man you don't know, but happy to lie against. Your kind is easy to know by your corrupt fruits; Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mat 7:20 Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them. But I forgive such evil enemies as you, that's what we sons of God do, as it is written; Mat_5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Here is where you start if you want to join us in Israel; Act 2:38 And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Or, if you continue your evil demonic slander, you shall indeed be cast down; Rev_12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Think twice before opening your mouth with such stupid false accusations in the future. Your life depends on it.

[@masada2828]

John Thomas did not say ‘those before him did not have the right gospel’. He said ‘he revived that right gospel’. Right thru the Ages there have been those who had the truth: the little flock of Christ of the 1st century; the brethren of Christ of the 16th century persecuted by the Catholic Church; Waldenses; Hugenites; lamps that upheld the truth, even the likes of Isaac Newton.

[@Logos3432-t5n]

I doubt whether you have carefully read the Gospels. and found that if Jesus was not God be was indeed a LUNATIC and MAD-MAN, as C.S. Lewis has said. Christadelphianism is a religion that is man manufactured, and presents a false Gospel, that is no where in the New Testament. Christadelphianism ignores many verses in the New Testament talking about Jesus pre-existence and diety.

[@shinovar2324]

@@Logos3432-t5nwe actually take into account every verse and can show you why its not what you believe it to be. Job's friends made the same mistake in saying that their beliefs about God punishing for sin were right because they had believed the same thing for centuries

[@Logos3432-t5n]

​@@shinovar2324 Sorry, GOD, and the fallen angels of Satan and his demons know precisely. know that Jesus is the divine Son of God, despite peoples denials. Apparently not. Christadelphianism (and other American cults) feeds Bible verses through there LOGIC MACHINE, and out comes their their religion that is pretty man made, and useless. Just like most American cults they are really fake Old Testament religions, pretending to be Christian, and pretending to be into the New Testament. We don't come to know the truth of God found in the Bible through human reason, but by a practical relationship with the HOLY SPIRIT, as Jesus said no one can come to me unless the Father draws him. Say this for a whole month, "HOLY SPIRIT" come into my life, in Jesus name.

[@willrundle2]

“For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5). The trinity is a man made doctrine

[@rowanmarc]

Quoting one verse in isolation does not prove your point - Isaiah 9:6 predicts the Messiah as the God Man (El Gibbor), and the Messiah is called the Redeemer (Hebrew “Go’el,” meaning kinsman) throughout Isaiah, a prophet who also quotes the Lord saying: “I the LORD am the Redeemer, and beside me there is no Savior;” the WHOLE counsel of God makes it clear that Jesus is both Man and God, which agrees with the verse you quoted - he is Man, as our Saviour, but if you refuse to accept the testimony of Scripture about his nature, then as God he will be your Judge

[@willrundle2]

@@rowanmarc when the young rich ruler came to Jesus he said “Good master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?” The first thing Jesus said to him was: “Why do you call me good? God is the only one who is good”? (Mark 10:17-18). Before Jesus was crucified he prayed to God and he asked “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.” (Matthew 27:39). So according to you, this is Jesus praying to himself and asking to not be crucified if possible and then not answering his own prayer. “And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man” (Luke 2:52). I don’t know how Jesus would grow in wisdom if he’s God because God is all knowing. The Bible calls Jesus the son of God countless times. It never once says “God the son”. God said “This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased” (Matthew 3:17). Jesus was tempted (Matthew 4). God cannot be tempted (James 1:13). The trinity came into Christianity 300 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus. That’s clearly not a first century Christian teaching and it’s exactly what the Bible warns us about when talking about the false prophets that would come (2 Timothy 4:3-4) (Acts 20:28-30) (1 John 4:1-6) (Matthew 7:15-20)

[@Logos3432-t5n]

Looks like you are being very selective about choosing scriptures (that belong to Christians), that agree with your doctrines. If Jesus was just a man who was sinful, what's the point on believing that Jesus died on the cross for our sins. Then the Christadelphians remove the belief in an eternal hell, and the existence of the devil - which makes people able to pay for their own sins. Get to know the divine Jesus in the New Testament, rather than these other politically correct fabricated false Jesus from the 19th century American Cults of Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, Christadelphns, and Steven Day Adventists. Your trying to use Greek logic to understand God which is false.

[@Logos3432-t5n]

He's being selective, and forgetting other scriptures. Also a man dying on a cross does not save, then your cult has to remove hell, and the devil so that your cult doctrines can make sense, or be reachable to God. Why use logic to understand God, you can't.

[@willrundle2]

@@Logos3432-t5n devil or satan means adversary. Jesus tells Peter: “Get behind me Satan” (Matthew 16:23). God is even called Satan in the parallel accounts of 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles. “Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.” (2 Samuel 24:1). In the parallel account it says: “Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.” (1 Chronicles 21:1). God is called Satan because He was being an adversary to David who was sinning. Angels cannot sin (Romans 6:23; Luke 20:36). The Lucifer chapter does not contain the words devil, angel, or satan once. It is clearly speaking metaphorically about king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. The belief of an immortal soul isn’t even from the Bible, it’s from Greek philosophy. Plato had all of these philosophical works but he knew he was bound to die so he made up the idea of an immortal soul to give himself some hope of eternal life. You don’t go to heaven when you die. Jesus is the only one who has but he didn’t go as an immortal soul. He died, was dead for three days, resurrected and made immortal, on earth for about 40 more days, then ascended into heaven where he is now and where he will soon return from. Before he went into heaven he said “no man hath ascended into heaven” (John 3:13). In the third chapter of the whole Bible God says to Adam and Eve “for dust you are and to dust you will return”. Solomon writes in Ecclesiastes, “For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5). Not once is the term ‘immortal soul’ found in the Bible. The Bible is the authority. Hell doesn’t even exist. It just means the grave. There are three main words in the Authorised Version which have been rendered "hell". In the Old Testament it is the Hebrew word sheol; in the Greek of the New Testament there are two words, hades and gehenna. The word sheol was commonly used to indicate the abode of the dead below the earth. It is better rendered by "the grave" or "the pit". In the Authorised Version sheol has been translated "grave" and "hell" on 31 occasions each, and "pit" on three occasions. Sheol is therefore the grave, the common place of the dead where men's bodies are subject to decay. "Like sheep they are laid in the grave (sheol); death shall feed on them . and their beauty shall consume in the grave (sheol)" (Psalm 49:14). So far as the wicked are concerned, we have already established that they cannot possibly exist after death, suffering eternal torment and misery. The following passages are a selection from many: "The wicked shall perish . . . they shall consume away" (Psalm 37:20). "He shall go to the generation of his fathers; they shall never see light. Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish" (Psalm 49:19,20). "The wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it" (Proverbs 2:22). "They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish" (Isaiah 26:14). "They shall be punished with everlasting destruction" (2 Thessalonians 1:9).

[@zippy777l]

This is the first time that I have heard that the Council of Nicea was a small bunch of guys in a dark, smoky room inventing a highly complex idea for no apparent purpose. I don't mind these videos provided they get their facts straight. Believer in a Trinity or not, I still have to answer the question as to why the Apostles, in the face of an almost monomaniacal belief by the Jews in one God, should have so soft-pedalled on something at least as important as the resurrection. Even Jude writes about 'the faith once for all delivered to the saints', so I don't think the position here is quite as cut-and-dried as our friend appears to think. I appreciate the need for people to express opinions, but they shouldn't misrepresent the facts.

[@patriciaorourke8850]

I was an atheist for some years until my mothers death, then I started to wonder what life was about. Around that time the J.W.’s knocked on my door. For a while I listened to them and read the literature they gave me. They too don’t believe in the trinity. That didn’t bother me as I didn’t believe in God anyway But something didn’t ring true with their teaching. One day I bought a bible, I held it in my hands and said out loud….this is either all true or none of its true. As I read the New Testament what the Holy Spirit revealed first to me was the Trinity! I remember thinking, how can they (Jehovahs Witnesses) not see it? It’s all the way through! My eyes were opened to the wonderful truth and especially what Jesus had done for me, paying the price for my sin…..the Lamb of God, spotless! I also as I read through the Old Testament, there was the Trinity all the way through, starting in Genesis. I did pray at the very beginning to be led into the truth and praise the Lord I was led to THE TRUTH……the Lord Jesus Christ.

[@offical_jamierubberfan]

Ok so give evidence of where you see the trinity in the bible then

[@joannamorgan6911]

I believe in the trinity the Christadelphians just hate being wrong I know I grew up in that hateful cult.

[@doctah401]

me too!

[@reconn9056]

I'm a Christadelphian - why don't you and I open our Bibles and talk? BTW am I deceived? Am I prideful? I will let Jesus decide when I stand before his judgement seat, when he returns to earth to take up his rightful throne and kingdom centred on Jerusalem. Oh! but of course you don't believe that do you? You believe your immortal soul is going to heaven to meet a triune God. So sad.

[@Mark4Jesus]

The doctrine of the Trinity was not invented at Nicea, but it was made the official universal doctrine at that point in time, as those kinds of things happen when you mix church and state, and the emperor himself is there, telling bishops what they should write in their statements, as you can read about in the book, "When Jesus Became God", by Rubenstein. This really is an important matter, since a non-human Jesus would defeat the effect of Christ's lifelong trial of faith and final self sacrifice upon the human conscience.

[@tomidomusic]

A present for you, please stop teaching and misleading people, you like others read the trinity heresy into scripture and not out of the scripture. Exegete the trinity please. Premises first followed by a cogent and valid conclusion. (Don't us give "it's a mystery garbage"!) Proverbs 26:12 Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.

[@garythorington1600]

Since this cult like all cults try to take the divinity away from Jesus than obviously Jesus wasted his time being crucified! It takes a Holy sinless God to redeem mankind’s sins. Since the cults take away Jesus’s divinity the he died in vain. This is what I tell jehovahas snd Mormons that Jesus was the Creator snd not created by anyone else

[@jms1595]

John 8:58, "Before Abraham was, I am" -- clear claim of divinity John 18:5 -- Jesus answers "I am" when asked if He is Jesus of Nazareth. It's translated "I am he," in English, but in the Greek it's simply "I am," and the soldiers prostrate themselves before Him. Titus 1:3 -- St Paul refers to "God our Savior" and then later in verse 4 refers to "Christ Jesus our Savior"

[@jonahcannon2820]

James 1:13 Hebrews 4:15

[@willrundle2]

Did you know that in the next chapter the man born blind is asked if he’s the man born blind and he says “I am”. Is he God too? Jesus was saying that in terms of importance and authority he is before Abraham

[@rowanmarc]

@@willrundle2 no, the whole passage has the Pharisees saying “You are not fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” THEN Jesus says, “before Abraham was, I am.” He is not talking about preeminence but pre-existence

[@willrundle2]

@@rowanmarc you cannot preexist yourself. Jesus is the son (descendant) of Abraham (Matthew 1:1). Jesus was the descendant God promised to Abraham. If Jesus existed before Abraham then God’s promises wouldn’t make sense. The context of Jn. 8:58 is Christ’s discourse with the Jews concerning Abraham. As far as they were concerned, Abraham was the greatest man who would ever live. Jesus is saying “I am now, as I stand here, more important than Abraham”. As they stood there, Jesus was the one to be honoured rather than Abraham. He is saying ‘I am now, more important than Abraham ever was’. It is possible to understand “before” in Jn. 8:58 with some reference to time, in the sense that before Abraham existed, Christ had been in God’s plan right from the beginning of the world. It was because Jesus was “before” Abraham in this sense that he was “before” him in terms of importance. In 2 Sam. 6:21 there’s a good example of “before” meaning ‘before’ in importance rather than time. David tells his wife: “The Lord chose me before your father (Saul)”. Actually, in terms of time, God chose Saul well before He chose David. But God chose David above Saul in terms of importance and honour.

[@edwardmacintosh2915]

Do you know what a foreshadow is

[@andrewsmith3344]

Well you can ask him at the Judgement seat "are you God"? But there again, will you be there?

[@franciscusgomarus5086]

I have noticed that those who reject the Creeds and Confessions and claim to their own Bible understanding always go into Heresy.

[@GailOwens]

Yes and no Martin Luther, did not believe in the established Church

[@joannamorgan6911]

I believe in the trinity and have been baptised into God the Son and the Holy Spirit I am very happy.

[@joannamorgan6911]

I hate that the Christadelphians are just legalistic. Glad I got away

[@laurenatherton2383]

Thanks so much for covering this so thoroughly. I have came into my first encounter with this and having someone I know that knows his bible explain this better is so soothing. Even just looking at these guys on Wikipedia its easy to see they aren't a bible believing Christian Church

[@johnedwards1289]

You say that this is your first encounter with the presenter's point of view, and yet you are quite prepared to accept it wholeheartedly without apparent independent study. The Lord Jesus Christ, God’s beloved Son told the unbelieving Scribes and Pharisees of his day to "Search the Scriptures...".John 5:39 He also prayed for his disciples and by extension ourselves that "This is life eternal that they might KNOW thee the ONLY true God and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent" John 17:3. I would therefore, respectfully suggest, that on a matter as critically important as this to your eternal welfare, that you carefully and prayerfully interrogate the Scriptures to find out the Truth of this matter, remembering God’s injunction at Jeremiah 29:13 - "And you shall seek me, and find me, when you shall search for me with all your heart". God bless

[@Darrenmac97]

I love how the guy who made the video said " there is nothing more dangerous than reading the Bible and ignoring the orthodox traditional understanding" so you are literally saying that the most dangerous thing is to read the Bible how it is written and not relying on the orthodox interpretation of it. That is very cultish like talking. Also there is nothing in the Bible to suggest that Jesus is God. You can read in to John 1 things that are not there, but I'm sorry but that's not saying Jesus is God. There is One God, Jehovah, and there is one mediator between God and man, the MAN, Jesus Christ. It's pretty simple to understand just by reading the scriptures.

[@PhilStedman-d1l]

Eg, 1 Cor 8:6 Simple really.

[@jaydenstone3603]

Look into meaning of "word" logos Christ is Gods son, not God, he was word made flesh because he spoke Gods words. He was the manifestation of God.

[@albusai]

jayden stone Jesus the Spirit and the Father are one being They are God

[@gustavmahler1466]

@@albusai Nope God was anointed by His God Hebrews 1:8,9 two separate Gods

[@edwardmacintosh2915]

It took 300 years for the rightly claimed roman church tk decide the trinity It says a lot really if you think about it

[@rowanmarc]

BEZELT3 you have well chosen this title - I have reasoned with atheists who are respectful, and engaging; but without exception every single comment by the Christadelphians below is emotive, prideful, and/or logically fallacious. Good work in the video.

[@bramleycookingapple]

Of course that is only your opinion. You have to prove "every single comment by Christadelphians..." is as you say. Prove it!!!

[@rowanmarc]

@@bramleycookingapple your comment is a start.

[@bramleycookingapple]

@@rowanmarc Thank you for a meaningless reply. If you want to debate, then I suggest you understand the 38 crooked ways to win an argument, and then avoid using them.

[@c.hanley1423]

And it's another outside pitch for ball two!

[@willrundle2]

You have no facts

[@jasonkominek5260]

A weak presentation. It's not going to convince anyone that doesn't already agree with you. Many statements are very misleading about John Thomas, Christadelphians, and history. Easy to fact check the mistakes. Also, there have been Christians since the first century that have had similar beliefs to that of the Christadelphians.

[@rowanmarc]

Actually a rather articulate argument. It is not a "weak argument" merely because you claim it to be so. You have not responded to any of the evidence presented, such as John 1:1, where Jesus is clearly defined as God.

[@masada2828]

Rowan Marcus - not so. Jesus is not clearly defined as God. U take the verse at face value and it’s English translation. If u look at the Greek and it’s corresponding verses it is clear to see that JC is not God (Yahweh). Right thru the OT there is one God and prophecy pointed to Jesus, the Messiah.

[@rowanmarc]

@@masada2828 Isaiah 43:11 "I, yes I, am the LORD, and there is no other Savior.." For Jesus to be the Messiah, he must also be God, as there is no Saviour apart from the Lord.

[@rowanmarc]

@@masada2828 I've also just looked at the Greek, and while I am not fluent in koine Greek, I have enough Greek to be able to see that the verse does in fact say the same thing as the English. "Theos" is God, and the "Logos," or the Word is Jesus, as defined in verses 14-15, and verse 1 clearly says θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος, "God was the Word." It's about as simple a Greek phrase as you can get, and there is no other way to interpret it. The only difference between the English and the Greek is the sentence order. The Greek means the same thing as the English. Jesus is God - furthermore, Christ himself said: "If you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." (John 8:24).

[@jimscaggs2422]

@@rowanmarc I will state this one time if Jesus is not God then we have a big problem.The Jews understood his claims to be God that's why they sought to stone him.If Jesus is not God we are still in our sins.

[@grizzlybizz7305]

Just heard of them in the last few months, they came up on my search, so I watched, but the longer I watched the more 'What's?' began to come up that I didn't agree with, so I stopped listening. I try to be discerning with the Lord's help.

[@franmorrison1080]

originalgospel.blog is good

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

What empirical observation or scientific experiment will establish whether the Trinity is true or not?

[@Logos3432-t5n]

Good question. I prefer the Term Tri-Unity for God, as people and animals are tri-unities. God is unique, and more complex than anything in creation, so models have limitations. The O.T phrase, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is Trinitarian, one God, three people - though "Person" in the Trinity is not a good term, like a human person (is not). Father on one side, the Son on other side, with Holy Spirit connecting them. Father and Son breath out the Holy Spirit who does his work. negative electrons are attracted to positive neutrons. Like a three leaf clover, three leaf's one stalk. one person born with three heads. People are one person through many parts. One brain made of neurons, that are not joined. Electricity (power station, then transformer, cable to house; The Father Son and Spirit at Jesus Baptism and Transfiguration, and Matt. 28 Trinity formula. Trinity shown in Old Testament (God in Temple, God in Heaven, the Angel of the Lord, God in the Cloud, God as Spirit in Genesis 1). The Father is like the control Centre of God (like your brain), where the rest of the body works from, and is the holiest part of God, which is in heaven. God is everywhere, yet God is also in heaven. Water Ice and Steam. Egg: shell, yellow yoke, and white water.

[@Logos3432-t5n]

Tree leaf clover, three Leafs - one stalk. Egg: Shell, Yellow yoke, and White. Water Ice and Steam. Head Thorax and Abdomen. Electricity (power station, transformer, and cables to house), Brain like the Father (the most holiest part of God) controlling the Body. Father joined to the Son by the Holy Spirit. father and Son breathing out the Holy Spirit. OT declaration, the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. Matthew 28 declaration. Tri-Unity - one God, three parts. God in Old Testament - God in Temple, God in Cloud, God in Heaven, God as Angel of the Lord, Angels fighting for God, Prophets in OT receiving Gods word, Jesus Baptism and Transfiguration (Father-Son-Spirit all there).

[@Logos3432-t5n]

Three leaf clover - three leafs, one stalk. Egg: Shell, yellow yoke, and white. Water Ice and Steam, people and animals (head, thorax, and abdomen), Father joined to Son by the Holy Spirit. Electricity (power station, transformer, cables to house), Jesus baptism and Transfiguration (Father-Son-Spirit all present). The OT declaration, God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. Matthey 28 Trinity declaration. Tri-Unity - One God, three parts. God in Old Testament - God in Cloud, God in Temple, God as Angel of the Lord, God as Spirit in Creation (Genesis 1).

[@brucephillip6456]

This and only this; Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: One Lord God. What is His Name? Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) Anyone preaching some "other" God is of the devil. Such as what trinitarians do or Christadelphians or JWs do. God is one Lord and His Name is Jesus. THE CHRIST.

[@Logos3432-t5n]

@@brucephillip6456 Agreed, God is one LORD, though this does not describe the Anatomy of God. Nothing is the human body is fixed, the neurons in your brain are not joined. Most animals, plants, and people are a unity of different systems, why not God. Christians don't believe in three gods', that is stupid. Exodus 20 about not committing idolatry is about the Israelites who came out of Egypt, and who were commanded not to make images of wood and stone, such as animals and people of God's creation. The Bible doesn't say God has to abide by the logic of the Greeks, who did not know God. Time after time the Israelites did commit Idolatry, with King Solomon being the greatest Idolater of the lot, as God said in Deuteronomy not to mass up god, silver, and material possessions. Samuel warned the Israelites not to seek a king who would take your taxes, and enslave them, yet they wanted a king. the God is Spirit, and not like an block of cheese roaming the universe. God has his throne in heaven, yet he spoke to Adam and eve, and others on the Bible, and God was in the Temple and cloud in Old Testament - yet we also say God is everywhere - how do you understand that? Are you coming from the perspective, that because you cant understand something, then it must be false, this too is wrong, there's heaps of things we don't understand - put away your Greek logic.. You haven't read the Old Testament thoroughly, then God must be into idolatry himself? In the Old Testament God works through prophets, the angel of the Lord, angels, people, and directly. Are you a Oneness Pentecostal, how much idolatry are you doing, if you said none you would be a liar? for example: money, family, job, etc.

[@debbierandall1122]

Dear sir you are so wrong about the christadelphians and thier teachings. Before you lead people astray you should sit down with a christadelphian and allow them to show you what u speak is wrong teaching. Jesus is the son of God ! I beg of you if u truly love God and care you will sit down with a christadelphian and hear them out.

[@SlavicUA]

how does this sect explain the virgin birth of Jesus? It is clear that Jesus received 23 chromosomes from Mary, but he also had to receive at least one chromosome from a male in order to resemble a male figure/form. That is why it says in the Word of God that He was conceived by the Holy Spirit. I know it sounds strange, but this is the nail in the coffin for this sect.

[@bramleycookingapple]

How is this " the nail in the coffin for this sect"? Christadelphians believe Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit; that is what the Bible teaches. What you cannot be sure of (even though most likely) was whether the egg of Mary was fertilized, or was a new fertilized egg implanted by the Holy Spirit into May's womb. What you have explained is correct. You have proved God had to be the father of Jesus and that fertilization was not from a human male. Your explanation is likely, just as with many more sects/cults (whatever term you use), who do not know about (and will find it had to accept initially) that the dried blood of Jesus was scraped off the Ark of the Covenant by Ron Wyatt, will be accepted eventually. The dried blood was tested by five laboratories around the world, and every independent analysis showed the blood to have had 23 chromosomes (not 23 pairs). A human was not involved in the fertilization of the egg. How fertilization came about had to be by the Holy Spirit (God's power). This does not change the understanding of the Christadelphians, or any other church believing the same; that Jesus is the Son of God, born a man, born of a woman by a virgin birth. Just because we have scientific knowledge today that was not known before, does not change the teaching of the Bible. The fact that the blood of Jesus only had 23 chromosomes and not 23 pairs, does not change the fact that Jesus was a man, grew from a child to become an adult and had to learn language etc. and had to suffer the same temptations as we do, but Jesus was without sin.

[@SlavicUA]

David Monk yes, that’s true. Science does not disprove the Bible, it confirms it. I was replying to a certain statement that the Christadelphianists believe. Can’t remember which one that is. I’ll have to watch the video again.

[@Hebrew42Day]

It's amazing Arians use the gospel of John to defend their belief, it's like antinomians using the first epistle of John to defend go and sin some more.

[@jimscaggs2422]

How do they explain Hebrews chapter 1 or Isaiah chapter 9 or as you quoted John chapter 1? Granted the Trinity is difficult to understand however it should be obvious if one studies the scriptures to see the 3 in one through out the scriptures.

[@NessaRossini...]

I got a whole understanding of who God was by reading the whole Chapter of John 1. It all came together that Jesus is God. I cried for 3 days and prayed for forgiveness. That was 30 years ago and I'm still charged up for Jesus. If one is seeking with their whole heart, mind and spirit, they will find God in John 1.

[@bramleycookingapple]

Unfortunately, the human mind can easily deceive and so we deceive ourselves into thinking we have understood all things correctly. I can say the same about John 1, although that chapter alone does not lead me to believe Yeshua is Yehovah, which he is not. Therefore, how do we resolve this difference of understanding John 1? I have spent the same number of years and more, studying the Bible and listening to talks, yet I do not find the Bible teaches the Trinity. Errors have crept in to the Bible and some are deliberate such as 1 John 5:7, which is not in any of the writings of the 1st Century. 1 John 5:7 has been inserted to uphold a belief that is someone's opinion, and unfortunately, unless people find these things out, they become deceived. It comes as no surprise to realize; "we have inherited lies". The only way to get to the truth is to; "rightly divide the word of Yehovah" and that means to rightly divide the whole of the Bible. We do not come to an understanding of the relationship between Yehovah and Yeshua in one chapter alone. The truth comes from an understanding of the whole of the Bible in which the message is seen to be consistent. Yehovah is not the author of confusion, but man is.

[@ernestoybarra7333]

The bottom line do these Kooks deny the Trinity? If they do then they are Kooks! A British accent does not give you cred.

[@jimscaggs2422]

@@bramleycookingapple then what else was inserted if one part is error then it's all error.

[@bramleycookingapple]

Whilst I admire your sincerity, I cannot agree with your last statement. There is only one God, yet we can all be gods. Jesus was human, and just as after the resurrection humans will become the same as Jesus and have his nature, that will not make them the same as God. To say that "God took on human flesh", and be emotional about that, you can be said to be anthropomorphic. There are so many arguments to make from the Bible against Jesus being God. I cite one example of the Apostle Paul, who explains (read 1 Cor 15) the role of Christ leading up to the time when Christ hands back to God the restored kingdom of God. Even then, Paul says that Christ/Jesus is subject to God, so that "God is all in all" (1 Cor 15:28). Clearly, Jesus is subject to God and therefore cannot be God's equal. How do you argue against the apostle Paul?

[@rursus8354]

2:23: _"problem is that they all got it wrong"_ -- Oh, really? What was the title of the video, now again? (Shooting oneself in the foot with the cocked revolver). The correct comment should be: _"problem is that they got to differing results based on a literal reading"_

[@carlodepinto9278]

Just like a child you are looking at the surface. But dig deeper and you'll find a different meaning to a verse.

[@doctah401]

only a "😅brethren of christ"😅

[@mawmawvee]

There is a way that seems right to a man, but then end therein is death. We seem to be seeing this come to pass all over the place these days. I'm amazed at all the people who wish to take away the Godhood of Jesus, but that is satan's main aim for him and always has been. He'll do anything to take Jesus down to nothing. Lotsa luck with that, right? God Is The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. I don't have to understand how that is. I accept that it is so. What a wondrous thing that is! I only admit to being a Christian. I am in Christ Jesus and we are one with God. I'm thankful for you sharing your insight with us.

[@packrat1210]

I have come to learn over many years as a believer there are many things the Christian church gets totally wrong. Their current teachings are way off on many things. Dispensationalism, prophecy, sabbath, etc. I have also come to learn that the mainstream churches uses the term cult to define anyone who is isn’t just like them. It is a way to frighten and control believers to not question anything that is taught. We should all be bereans and study the scripture for ourselves. We have the Holy Spirit and no where in scripture are we told to just automatically believe someone just because they went to Bible college.

[@andrereginato3538]

The Apostle Paul gives us the message plain and clear....PAUL's GOSPEL.. Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: There is right and wrong doctrines in all religions...we are not justified by believing or not believing in a trinity, a spiritual devil, water baptism or any other works based self righteousness that can puff us up because of our knowledge. Paul puts it perfectly, faith expressing itself through love. Justified by grace. Receive it and believe it and bring that wonderful message to all men and standfast in what Christ did for us. THE FAITH OF CHRIST. Not anything we or anyone else did or can do. We must come to God by faith..believing in Paul's gospel..read Romans Ch.3,4 and 5. There you will find the wonderful truth of salvation. That means loving Christadelphians, JW's and everyone else..share the good news to everyone. Just share the gospel. In Christ.

[@bramleycookingapple]

Whilst I agree with most of the above statement, we have to believe the words of Jesus as the words that come from God. Therefore, to take as one example the question of baptism and whether it is necessary (and there is a difference of opinion about this), Jesus said to John, "Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness". Surely, what Jesus did by example, is what we must do to fulfil all righteousness. Even in other matters, to know and not do, is a serious offence. It is agreed that ultimately, we are saved by God's grace. We must continue to search for truth, lest we deceive ourselves. Jesus said; "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth . What is truth, but God's word? Again, surely when Jesus gave the instruction; "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned", that makes baptism an important element in preaching the gospel in this age, and in salvation. Share the gospel, but first understand the gospel and share it in truth and do not promulgate lies through misunderstanding. The same words of Jesus as applied to the Hebrew scriptures equally apply to the New Testament writings that speak of Jesus; "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

[@rayrussell1519]

do you provide transport to services

[@peterwisniowski4863]

With all due respect, would the presenter wish a public debate on the subject?

[@Z91514]

This man mis-represents a non Trinitarian frame work. The Bible, taken at its word is very clear that Jesus and God are separate “people”. They clearly share a nature as God is Jesus’s father, just as humans and Jesus share a nature as Mary is his mother. That’s pretty straightforward and doesn’t require any mental or “Greek” language gymnastics. That Jesus is the Word made flesh in no way contradicts Jesus being a separate person. The “Word” is the creative force in Genesis 1, the Spirit or “wind” with a directed intelligence behind it the same as any human voice is a wind passing out of a body but modified by intelligence and formed into words which travel out of the speaker going out into the world and effecting some change, almost always by entering into another being and modifying that being’s interaction with the world such as, “can you hand me a fork” and then someone hands you a fork. The “Word” of God is His Spirit, driven by His intelligence to create. Jesus in His time is that same creative Word in Genesis 1, Thus since the Word was the creative agent in Genesis 1 and just as any human word is initially a part of the human who speaks it, is in fact inseparable from the human who speaks it when it is still internal to the human, yet once spoken separates from the human and becomes a new thing both connected to the speaker and distinct, that spoken word travels out of the speaker and effects change by entering into others affecting their thoughts and behaviors when other humans are involved, or perhaps to a lesser degree to modify the behavior of a lesser intelligence, maybe an animal or an infant or in its basest form is simply sound that impacts the environment through the simple wave form that sound takes in an atmosphere, thus Jesus is one with the Father and is present in the beginning and is the one through whom creation is accomplished, but in the form of God’s Word, which many millennia later God causes to become a human being. The Bible is clear on this, John is clear on this. No frame work or “Tri-unity” (a nonsensical term on its face) needs to be added to the Bible ESPECIALLY when adding such terms becomes a dogma by which if that term is rejected a person can be rejected as a follower of Christ wholesale. The Spirit of God modified by the mind of God to create Jesus is miraculous to be sure and not necessarily a quantifiable act for our part, but it isn’t difficult to understand since we average humans engage in the same behavior all the time, albeit a much less powerful form of it. Jesus’s connection to Isaiah’s vision isn’t hard to understand either. First off, Yahweh does not mean “I am”, that simply is not correct. Eh Yeh and then Yahweh spoken at the bush with Moses means “I will be” and “He will be” respectively and is referring to the soon to be creation of the nation of Israel, the people through which God will be revealed. Just as the phrase “The LORD of hosts” means “I will be many” refers to God’s promise to humanity that His likeness will be revealed in many humans, ultimately in the resurrection of the dead, the fulfillment of God’s intent for Adam to be God’s image and to be fruitful and multiply. Jesus fulfills this purpose through taking away the corrupt nature of man and provides for the reinstitution of God’s original intention. Jesus then is part of the Yahweh name, He is the integral part and is in the likeness of both his father and mother but is the perfect image of the father. It follows that the similarity to the Son on a throne and the father on a throne appear the same, especially in a biblical sense although it can be true in a typical human sense as well. The “early church fathers” were not perfect people in their doctrine. There are myriad instances where they don’t agree with each other and the history of the church modifying its beliefs is a constant one. If by the presenter’s logic we ought to be following accepted church doctrine or we are “heretics” then we should all be Catholic and the reformation which claimed a “rebooted” understanding of the “original truth” and departed from Catholic dogma was heretical (something Catholics still claim today) and should be cast aside because it forsakes universal doctrine. This is a straw man argument and a specious reasoning. The truth once delivered to the saints is the word of God which is the Bible, not Poly Carp’s reported words about it. The Bible, carefully read is understandable by your average person. There of course are complexities within and there are cultural hurdles to jump since it’s a collection of ancient near eastern scrolls. But these complexities are definitely understandable by anyone who meditates on the Word, and the cultural hurdles aren’t that hard to jump especially today with the wealth of knowledge accessible to most of us. The essential message of this video seems to be to trust church dogma (but only from very specific time stamps in church history) and not to try and understand the Bible for yourself because you’ll likely become a heretic. Personally I’m extremely wary of any person or group which advocates for not trusting my own mind and senses in favor of trusting a large group to decide for me, especially when that large group is itself, upon close inspection fractious and often has been amoral in the extreme to enforce its doctrine which incidentally is part of the reason for the reformation and even for the leaving behind of God entirely in atheism. Dogma can and should give way to a simple understanding of the Bible, accessible by any average person. If we need arbiters of truth to think and reason for us we start to resemble a community that requires a priestly class to meditate between us and God on our behalf. If we want to talk about dangerous dogma I’d say that one rides pretty high and endangers the place of Jesus (which incidentally) is exactly what Catholicism has done.

[@theologian1456]

I find it fascinating that Philo, like other scholars of the Jewish scriptures, perceived the multi-unity of God in the texts of the OT. Here are some examples of Philo attempting to expound this idea. (215) For there are, as it seems, two temples belonging to God; one being this world, in which the high priest is the divine word, his own firstborn son. The other is the rational soul, the priest of which is the real true man, the copy of whom, perceptible to the senses, is he who performs his paternal vows and sacrifices, to whom it is enjoined to put on the aforesaid tunic, the representation of the universal heaven, in order that the world may join with the man in offering sacrifice, and that the man may likewise co-operate with the universe. (108) This difficult and scarcely explicable perplexity we may escape if we adopt the inner and allegorical explanation in accordance with natural philosophy. For we say that the high priest is not a man, but is the word of God, who has not only no participation in intentional errors, but none even in those which are involuntary. (109) For Moses says that he cannot be defiled neither in respect of his father, that is, the mind, nor his mother, that is, the external sense; because, I imagine, he has received imperishable and wholly pure parents, God being his father, who is also the father of all things, and wisdom being his mother, by means of whom the universe arrived at creation; (62) I have also heard of one of the companions of Moses having uttered such a speech as this: "Behold, a man whose name is the East!" A very novel appellation indeed, if you consider it as spoken of a man who is compounded of body and soul; but if you look upon it as applied to that incorporeal being who in no respect differs from the divine image, you will then agree that the name of the east has been given to him with great felicity. (63) For the Father of the universe has caused him to spring up as the eldest son, whom, in another passage, he calls the firstborn; and he who is thus born, imitating the ways of his father, has formed such and such species, looking to his archetypal patterns. Chapter 11 (47) for God, having filled everything with himself, is near at hand, so that he is looking over everything and standing by, we being filled with a great and holy reverence, or if not with that, at all events, having a prudent fear of the might of his authority, and of the fearful nature of his punishment, which cannot be avoided, whenever he determines to exert his punishing power, shall desist from doing wrong. In order that the divine spirit of wisdom may not be inclined to quit our neighbourhood and depart, but that it may remain a very long time with us, as it did also with the wise Moses;

[@billweir8824]

This is why we have no paid clergy and every brother works diligently to give the exhortation on Sunday in turn along with mid week bible classes. Obviously the problem is that the laity don't study but allow spoon feeding and cannot discern Gods word because they fail to attend daily bible reading. The Christadelphians use a Bible Companion chart which takes everyone through the old testament once each year and the new testament twice this familiarizes us to be able to discuss the word openly and understanding Gods true message defend it against opposite to Orthodoxy

[@tonynz9954]

When Jesus was in the grave ,God was not on His throne in heaven for three days. He was dead in the grave.. Who did Jesus pray to when he was on earth? When Jesus ascended to heaven to sit at the right hand of his Father , why did he not enter back into God ?

[@sleepypoodle]

I wonder what the 'creator' of christadelphianism would think about his name being a euphemism for the word 'penis' 👍🏼🤍😎🥬🥖🥕🍌💗🥒🍆🌭🍡🤣🤍🙏🏼I'm sure he'd LOVE it❕

[@d.k.1394]

Lol

[@d.k.1394]

Hehe

[@Yedidiyah]

Philippians 2:5-7 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

[@cilo56]

Trinity is a false doctrine. It is not monotheism. Jesus is a creation of God, he is not God. He was a prophet of God. Christodelphian understanding of God is in parity with the Jewish faith. The Word is God not Jesus. Jesus Christ emulated God's Word. In that sense he was one with God. Not to confuse Jesus with God.

[@doncraft9100]

Nuestra América Jesus was God in the flesh

[@youngyou90]

Wow, please do not be mislead by false doctrin. It will cost your eternal life. Jesus is the God.

[@georgediaz2600]

Explain Isaiah 9:6 it referred to Jesus as the Everlasting Father, if Jesus is not God how come he is our Father?

[@craigfairweather3401]

Are you ignorant of the fact that the majority of inhabitants of Boston Massachusetts in the first two decades of the 1800s belonged to congregations that were Biblical Unitarian in belief. Unitarianism , non-trinitarianism was very widespread in the USA in the first half of the 1800s. The are not non-Christians.

[@chillipalmer3928]

The trinity not even in the bible jesus always give thanks to his father when jesus was dead his father rise him up I really think you hypocrics are totally wrong

[@ElderJoseph]

" when jesus was dead his father rise him up" The bible says God raised him up and that Jesus raised his own body ( being God). Read what Jesus said here in John and what The disciples believed also. Jesus, speaking of His body said “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19-22) 19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?21 But he spake of the temple of his body.22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

[@Hebrew42Day]

The trinity is throughout the Bible. From Genesis to revelations. Anyone truly born again can see it.

[@NessaRossini...]

Jesus said "If you've seen Me, you've seen the Father". It is also said John 1--1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." read the rest of the chapter and you will find Jesus is the Word. The Word was made Flesh. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One. Pray to God and seek the Truth.

[@TheJpep2424]

Wrong. The trinity is clearly taught in scripture.

[@franmorrison1080]

@@Hebrew42Day try reading When Jesus Became God .The struggle to Define Christianity during the Last Days of Rome. by Richard E. Rubenstien Its an histoical fact that this idea developed

[@Bowdon]

People who make videos like this would be more credible if Christianity wasn't falling. Because you teach things that most people can't understand.

[@annanimus3943]

It is interesting that many, if not most, Fundamentalists ardently support the views of Alexander Hislop in the book, "The two Babylons" to the degree that they accuse anyone who questions Hislop of being secret Jesuits, or worse. Interesting because the majority of Christian groups have found Hislop showed poor scholarship and ignorance of ancient religions. Just three groups swear by Hislop. KJVO Fundamentalists, Christadelphians, and Jehovah's Witnesses. Because Hislop, in taking all aspects of the CC and claiming direct Babylonian sources, has accidentally "proven" that the Trinity is Pagan too.

[@lancegoodall5911]

Jesus in flesh submitted to the Father. There is a hierarchical relationship within the Godhead that all 3 persons have agreed to, yet all 3 are God. Even the Holy Spirit is said to come to reveal what Christ taught. See John 14:26

[@bramleycookingapple]

The following is not simply pasted in, but is a direct response to give my understanding of human nature, the death of Yeshua and the kingdom of Yehovah to come. Before coming across this video (to which I had to respond), I came across first a video from the Christadelphians titled; 'A Religion That Makes Sense'. (kzbin.info/www/bejne/enqYfnijerGGj6M) While not perfect (and which church is?), I think the Christadelphians do make more sense that most other denominations. Yeshua had a genesis; in other words, Yeshua's beginning was when he was born (no pre-existence). This event was known by Yehovah from the beginning. Yehovah knew the Glory Yeshua would have finally, and this was known from the beginning. Only when Yeshua successfully overcame the human nature that Adam and Eve had been made with, and which all humans inherited ever since was Jesus given his immortal nature. When Yeshua was conceived in the womb of Mary, it was by God's power. Whether it was Mary's egg that was fertilized, or a new fertilized egg (as was created in Eve), we are not told, but that would be a possibility to explain the way in which Yeshua was conceived and had the same human nature that both Adam and Eve started with. Now Yeshua vindicates Yehovah for creating Adam and Eve with their human nature by proving it possible to remain obedient just as Adam and Eve could have remained obedient, but they reasoned humanly and therefore they did not remain obedient, hence their sin. Yeshua tells us the origin of all evil (leading to sin) and it comes from within. There is no external Devil). . The fact is; whereas both Eve first, then Adam sinned, Yeshua would not make the same mistake. Yeshua did not listen to the Serpent (personification representing human thinking). Yeshua took his teaching from Scripture, with guidance from his mother, and later, direct communication from Yehovah. Yeshua was committed from an early age (12) to doing the will of his heavenly father. This he did perfectly combating times of temptation by recalling Yehovah's word (the Hebrew scriptures). Yeshua did what was humanly achievable, but all other humans fail, because they lack the will to obey Yehovah completely and do not do as Yeshua did. Yeshua remained sinless, even though his nature had the propensity to sin. Yeshua won the victory over what the Apostle Paul (only) writes as "the carnal mind",which Paul says is "enmity with Yehovah". It is this part of human nature (human reasoning) that Yehovah cursed when he cursed the Serpent (representing human thinking). This is why in the Kingdom of Yehovah, the Satan/Devil/Serpent (all one of the same - carnal mind) are thrown into the 'Lake of Fire'. In the final Kingdom of Yehovah on this earth, everyone will be righteous and so Yehovah's Glory will fill the earth as he has promised. A fact that is forgotten and is not mentioned by the speaker in the video is; Yeshua was raised from the dead by Yehovah. Yeshua would have remained dead for eternity had not Yehovah preserved Yeshua's spirit. According to scripture (Yehovah's word), the body of Yeshua would be raised on the third day. Yeshua was raised and given an immortal body, hence and immortal nature. Now Yeshua cannot die and in that respect is the same as Yehovah who cannot die. Yehovah has given Yeshua, the complete access to Yehovah's power, and right to judge. On his resurrection, Yeshua became the High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. When Yeshua returns to set up the kingdom of Yehovah, then Yeshua will appear as though Yehovah, having been granted by Yehovah, all power and authority to judge. Paul explains in 1 Cor 15:28, that once Yeshua, hands over the kingdom to his father, Yeshua is still subject (of lower status) to Yehovah, so that Yehovah is then seen to be "all in all". Here is the final point I want to make and this my understanding from 1 John 3:2 "but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him". This is confirmed by the fact that Yeshua is the firstfruit begotten from the dead. The dead are raised to have immortality conferred on them as the free gift of Yehovah, made possible by the victory and sacrifice of Yeshua. All those resurrected and living in the kingdom of Yehovah, will have the same nature as Yeshua, yet they are not Yehovah, just as Yeshua was not, and is not, Yehovah. The conclusion has to be that Yeshua was human as we all are, and in the kingdom of Yehovah, all those raised and given immortality have the same nature as Yeshua. From that time on, the only way it could be said that humans have an equality with Yehovah is by the fact that they are immortal and will never die. All will be subject to Yehovah having the spirit of the two great commandments written in their hearts and forevermore will not sin, just as the Angels now do not sin, but do the will of Yehovah. That is my understanding over the decades I have considered these things and studied the Bible to find out what it truly means by resolving the apparent errors, conflicts, and inconsistencies the opponents of Yehovah's word use to discredit the Bible. The Bible is true, and every man (except Yeshua) is a liar. 1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[@rowanmarc]

Your whole argument falls down on one point - you claim that Yeshua has no pre-existence, but the Bible specifically states that He did: Micah 5:2 predicts the Messiah’s goings have been from of old, from eternity, written centuries before his birth - and Jesus himself said, “Before Abraham was, I AM.” Yeshua existed before Abraham because he is God

[@jrYoutube1]

@@rowanmarcof course the promise of one to come spoken about in Old Testament (testament promise) even from the time of Adam and Eve. GOD’s word does not return void and so Abraham knew about this promise. Adam and Eve and Noah and Moses etc etc. this is the word that was known throughout the Old Testament and the word that was and is and was before Abraham etc. all was leading up to this man who will be sent (delivered) into this world but his OWN did not recognise him. This is the 2nd Adam which is also a title given to Jesus the Christ (Adam meaning man) but this Adam passed the test and sin (death)could not hold him down because he sinned not but he willingly became the unblemished lamb on behalf of mankind. He was and is and to come once again, the word of GOD(promise of GOD), the new Adam, the King of the restored World to turn over to GOD once again HIS beloved creation. Our redeemer and one and only Jesus the Christ

[@bornagain841]

generaly ignore comments

[@PIAK_08]

i like Christadelphians views of God...but i can't find their church here in our place...

[@jayc8789]

Don't know where you are, but I'd definitely google them to find out more. Christadelphians are a small community, but I wouldn't let that stop you form looking them up.

[@SASA00391]

you can read about the One and onley, and pray to him. he had no son, no woman, no partners, angels are his serfs and prophets and messangers were serving his word to show us his way.

[@PIAK_08]

Jay C i live in Cebu City...

[@PIAK_08]

Mohamud Abdi, I will worship the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the same God worship by David and Abraham...

[@PIAK_08]

Melanie 84, Christadelphian is a Biblical Unitarian. I worship the God of our Lord Jesus Christ...

[@pper93]

Jesus was not a substitute for us... because if jesus died instead of us, then we should be free of death. Jesus died as a representative of us all, that through him & by faith on his name, we receive the grace of God, forgiveness of sins& eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord! To become part of jesus christ & share in his destiny, we need to be identified with him & the only way available to do that is not only belief, but also baptism into his name!

[@PhilStedman-d1l]

Correct, & so easily understood. Regards, Phil.

[@bramleycookingapple]

To say that God took on the form of human flesh and died is to fudge scripture and give excuse to those who say it is impossible for man to live a perfect life in obedience to God. First of all; God is spirit and he cannot be less than he is. Flesh is inferior to God's spirit substance. To substitute Jesus for God is to deny the victory of Jesus in overcoming that part of human nature that leads to sin; namely the "carnal mind" as stated by the apostle Paul. It was necessary for a man (human) the man Jesus to prove it was possible for a human to be obedient to God and in so doing vindicates God for making man (Adam and Eve) as he did. Jesus tells us the origin of all sin and sin originates within each one of us. It can be simply referred to as the carnal mind that is responsible for sin. Even James confirms this (James 1:14-16). Jesus overcame the carnal mind that led him to be tempted after he had received the sign of the Holy Spirit descending upon him. Jesus had the whole power of God made available to him to use in any way he chose. We know how Jesus was guided to overcome the temptations he suffered. The story of Abraham offering his on Isaac gives us a prophetic clue when Abraham says; God will provide for himself a lamb". Note; "for himself"; not himself. Hence John the Baptizer announced' "Behold the Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world". Jesus overcame the world/devil/carnal mind and because of that, God could not let him remain in the grave and so raised him from the dead to be the first-fruit giving us all hope and reassurance in the resurrection of the dead. Jesus could lay down his life because he had received the assurance from God that he would receive his life again and not only life, but immortality. The death and resurrection of Jesus is so profound and the fact that he is promised to return is reason why he should be remembered by the partaking of bread and wine; Luk_22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. In a spiritual way, we are to eat his body and drink his blood. Jesus says; Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

[@pegofleesheart]

We do not claim to be superior.

[@juliemayes2027]

I talked with these people the woman was fine until I mentioned The Holy Spirit I then had a different woman in front of me they definitely don’t believe He is God

[@jrYoutube1]

Of course you had a different woman in front of you because all of a sudden weren’t in one accord so you dismissed her to be a total different person. Besides that she was fine. 🤷‍♂️

[@andrewsmith3344]

Have you read John 1:1-13 in the Tyndale Bible? Instead of "him", read "it"!

[@mozpogson3639]

God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, and of a sound mind. The dogma of a trinity is the most confusing thing known to man. Regardless of how much wresting of scripture anyone does, no one can explain in logical terms, the dream of a triune god.

[@OddASMR]

Blessings to you, brother

[@SASA00391]

God is One that is simple. and the lies are so complecated 😂

[@masada2828]

Mohamud Abdi - The only thing you and I agree on and it is important: there is One God and God is One. A trinity or three gods in one is a pagan concept.

[@albusai]

One being , God doesn’t learn , communication, relationship, love are thighs that he always new within the plurality of the unity in the triunity of the Godhead, he knows all , even the future, that’s why Bible has so many fulfilled prophecies, something you won’t see oin the Vedas , Book of Mormon, or the small incomplete book full of violence called Quran

[@albusai]

Masada2 you have never read genesis 48

[@tonynz9954]

@@masada2828 Constantine pagan.

[@smokeybirdman]

You, speaker in this video said that baptism ist totally essential for salvation because the good thief wasn't baptised. Firstly nobody before Jesus death were baptised, because baptism is being baptised into His death, and as He was resurected so are we born to the newness of life as we come up out of the water. It's symbolic of being crucified with Him. In that respect the 'good thief' was baptised, he was literally crucified with Him. Those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Peace to you who truly believe

[@GilesLandry-p5v]

This guys has really no idea what he is talking about by

[@triciaparker8345]

Do you have a fb or Twitter page? Would love to follow you there. May God bless you for your faithful work for the cause of Christ!

[@feeltheforce10]

What is the truth ? You will be chasing after it until you take your last breath.

[@tecumsehcristero]

Nicea had nothing to do with the trinity

[@marjoriepearce9957]

If Jesus is God, he could not die but he did. Who did he pray to? Who said "this is my beloved son, hear ye him" after his baptism? Jesus is coming back to set up his kingdom on earth to rule for 1000 years. Jesus is not God but His son.

[@Hebrew42Day]

Marjorie Pearce what does Phil 2:6-11 state? That though *he was* equal with God, he reduced himself to man.

[@TheJpep2424]

Wrong. Scripture is clear Jesus is God and took on flesh in order to die. He is God in flesh.

[@SCWW]

so... did God die on the cross?

[@rowanmarc]

Jesus was fully God and fully man. He took on flesh, and it was this human body that was crucified.

[@JesusIsaFlatEarther]

I'm beginning to think the Christadelphians are onto something. As anyone with a lick of common sense should know that saying the Word is God doesn't make it God. It's obvious the Word reveals Yahweh as does Yeshua. And you certainly can't say that the Holy Spirit is a person and then say God is a spirit. And let us make man in our image could be a conversation between just two people. If Yeshua was Yahweh, he would say we should pray to Him and not Yahweh. And the scripture never states what the beginning was. So if Yeshua was in the beginning of creation, it doesn't mean he has always existed like Yahweh has. The Protestant churches teach a lot of false beliefs, because they borrowed from the Catholic Church which corrupted and still corrupts everything. Ask any Protestant pastor if the Earth is motionless and flat like the Bible indicates and they'll say no, it's as the pagan's believe and Hollywood portrays.

[@CyclicFlicks]

You might find this website helpful x www.thisisyourbible.com

[@xxxxyz854]

Jesus raised himself from the dead. Easy stuff.

[@edwardpeterson1634]

Did he imply that Protestants are orthodox in theology?

[@stevechilton8420]

Christadelphians have been deceived, whilst saying they believe the Bible, they don't believe in the existence of the devil. Also this "church" renounce their own members if they question their beliefs. I should know, I was one of these unfortunate people.

[@bramleycookingapple]

That is not entirely true. There are times when Christadelphians withdraw their fellowship from another brother or sister in Christ. However, no-one can withdraw another person's fellowship with their God. It is not true that Christadelphians cannot disagree and remain united. The following applies no matter what church/ecclesia. If you disagree so much as to not be comfortable with brethren and sisters when breaking bread, and/or asking for God's forgiveness when harbouring a sort of hatred towards a brother or sister over a disagreement/difference of opinion/belief, then it is better to separate and meet with those (of like faith) who you can break bread with. Where possible, any point of disagreement should be settled before breaking bread. Paul tells us not to break bread to one's condemnation. As with any church/ecclesia, it is a pity when anyone so passionate in what they believe feels it necessary to withdraw their fellowship to have to meet elsewhere. Of course, where a brother or sister in Christ changes their belief in such a drastic way; for example; to believe that Jesus is God, or that God took on human flesh and died, then that is so contradicting the Christadelphian belief that Jesus is not God, then I would have to agree that under those circumstances, to fellowship with one another and and have peace of mind at the same time, is not going to be possible. It is better to agree to disagree and separate and meet with like-minded people. In the end, we all have to depend on the mercy and grace of God to be given his gift of eternal life after being judged worthy according to all we have done and what we believe and who we have faith in.

[@stevechilton8420]

Thanks for your effort in replying, however Im lead to believe that the Christadelphians do not believe in the existence of the devil in opposition to the word, Example; Rev 12:9, Matt 4 & Gen 3

[@bramleycookingapple]

@@stevechilton8420 Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. This verse tells me; Satan/Devil/Serpent are one of the same thing. Whilst the Dragon of Rev 12 has been considered to the the Roman Catholic church, that system is an organization of "carnal minds" that are not preaching God's truth. What about Genesis 3? My own thoughts on this, which are not accepted by everyone (even Christadelphians I know) is that God in cursing the Serpent, God is cursing the carnal mind (human thinking in opposition to God). To reach this conclusion, I first had to reach the conclusion that the Serpent which spoke with Eve, is the Bible use of personification in which some inanimate thing is presented as person. The same if found elsewhere. I also think there could have been another serpent creature (snake) which Eve saw on the tree and because of what God had said and the snake had not died, then Eve was beguiled (deceived) into what she concluded. The seed of the Serpent has been inherited by all generations. Even Jesus had to overcome it, which he did successfully. The only way to speak well of God (IMO) is not to think God created the Serpent, or a supernatural being to deceive men and women, or that God's Holy Angels can sin and not obey him. Such ideas have moral problems associated with them and those problems have to be addressed. It cannot be said; "there are no moral problems in believing God created the Serpent or the Devil or fallen Angels". To say that would be part of the problem. In order to speak well of God, all evil has to originate from within us (the carnal mind). That is what Jesus taught (Mark 7:21) and that is what I understand and believe.

[@PhilStedman-d1l]

To say we don't believe in the devil/satan is wrong. We do believe in the devil/satan. It's the identity of these that we totally disagree with orthodoxy on.

[@PhilStedman-d1l]

@@bramleycookingapple And you'll notice not an angel is mentioned. So it's not an angel that fell. One would have to link a divine angel in scripture to a dragon in order for it to fit. and there's nowhere where this occurs.

[@andrewsmith3344]

Pre-existance of Jesus in the OT. ONLY in Gods' mind!

[@doctah401]

yesss

[@rayrussell1519]

i cant find a local branch in hatfield can anyone take me to one and then i become a menber of this group please take me

[@PhilStedman-d1l]

Are you in USA or elsewhere?

[@PhilStedman-d1l]

I've never heard such a load of rubbish in the interpretation of Jn 1:1. The Logos.GK, word, is spoken word, utterence, speech, intent which reveals the thought of the one speaking..... not God or JC. next; the word was with God (the Father)..obviously. Next: the word was God. The Gk tense is that the word spoken earlier reveals who spoke it just like when I speak, it reveals the person I am. To show that the Logos is not a person but a thing, In V2 When the term ""He"" is used (KJV) in these verses the GK is in the neuter gender. The literal word spoken is not literally a God/person but an expression, ie...an ""it"" (JC is not an it) eg "The world (ages) were made by ""ÏT"""ie the word spoken...Simple really. You can test this by asking ones self of v14; what was the word ""BEFORE"" it became flesh. Wasn't it a spoken word? Therefore the thoughts or intent of that spoken word by the Father wasn't manifested as a person until the Lord Jesus came along. Regards, Phil.

[@jaydenstone3603]

Jesus Christ came to the world, to glorify himself, by sacrificing him self, to not do his own will, but to do well his own will..?? To live a life dedicated to himself, to then crucify himself, to which would give himself the glory. Then he arose up to himself to site on his own right hand next to himself.. makes sense?

[@franmorrison1080]

not really!

[@CutandShoot5x5]

I think his presentation of what he thinks he knows about the Christadelphian origins, Bible Study & daily walk or practices are smug & condescending. Quite frankly it should take a lot more than this snippet of info to deter people from seeking the truth of the Holy Scriptures! Selah

[@jrYoutube1]

He thinks he’s dynamite 😬, people like him did it to Jesus the Christ as well when he was on earth. They were the religious rulers that Jesus the Christ shook his head at .. they were very smug indeed

[@tamarakaye4651]

Their teachings are so damaging. Basically they destroy God for their man centered theology. I was a JW same stuff.

[@bramleycookingapple]

Likewise it can be said that your beliefs are damaging. Who is correct? Let the debates continue.

[@georgediaz2600]

Isaiah 9:6 Jesus Is God argument over....

[@lilynazara3809]

Yeshua/ Jesus NEVER claimed equality with His Father. He loved and obeyed His Father perfectly. It was the Father who raised Jesus up to be higher than any other, apart from YHVH Himself.

[@bobby357mod8is1]

Man is the glory of God. The glory of God the Logos is the man Jesus of Nazareth, God's only son begotten from a virgin. We saw him, the man Jesus, and we handled him who is the life that was in the Logos. That is John's testimony. In the Logos was life. My newborn son was in my wife and came out from her but my son is not my wife. It is not the Logos but the glory of the Logos and the light of men from within the Logos that John handled. Concerning the word of life the life was manifested and not the Logos. Jesus is the life and light that came out from the Logos. Adam came out from God the Holy Spirit, the Last Adam came out from God the Logos. Adam is not the Holy Spirit and neither is Jesus the Logos.

[@rayrussell1519]

how do we all became menbers

[@PhilStedman-d1l]

Of the Christadelphians or trinity believers?

[@rickh4667]

You have actually proved nothing. The trinity is a false belief. Wide is the gate that leads to destruction.

[@Hebrew42Day]

YourGoodLife H how many gods are there? When jesus said I am, he was calling himself God. When he forgave sins, he was declaring himself God. When he calmed the waves and the seas, as God divided the sea for the Jews, he was declaring himself to be God. It was this declaration that led to his crucifixion. If Jesus was lying about being God, he deserved to die, he was sinning.

[@HenryLeslieGraham]

thanks for this video! god bless you brother. we don't have any christadephianists here in Africa, but plenty of similar cultic movements esp the prosperity gospel & christian/animist syncretism.

[@CyclicFlicks]

Have a look at www.thisisyourbible.com for your nearest Christadelphians

[@franmorrison1080]

there are many Christadelphians in Africa. Ghana, Nigeria, Zambia, Zimbawe, Mozambique, to name a few.

[@carlodepinto9278]

Yes you do have many Christadelphians in Africa. Are you just as right about this fact as you are the Bible facts?

[@rowanmarc]

@@carlodepinto9278 just because he might not know the history of one of the many false cults in the world - it doesn’t mean he doesn’t know the Bible

[@tamarakaye4651]

They are very much like Jehovahs Witnesses

[@franmorrison1080]

intially J.W's believed in the return of Jesus as predicted in the prophecies of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, but made a mistake in trying to pinpoint the date, 1914. When Jesus had not returned, they then said he came invisibly. The Chistadelphians have one or two doctrines that are the same as WT, but differ on fundamental beliefs such as the devil, and the Jews being God's witnesses, not the WT.

[@d.k.1394]

Play nice

[@paulmyers8959]

Historical Christianity is described in Rev 17 as a harlot who has daughters.( Catholics and Protestants). Do not be deceived by the majority. When were they ever right?

[@ElderJoseph]

" Historical Christianity is described in Rev 17"No it isn't. That's just mis interpretation, started by a theologically uneducated and arrogant men who thought they knew better than the theologically educated, whether it be John Thomas, or Charles Taze Russel or Joseph Smith etc. Historical Christianity is who gave you your bible, the gospel and the knowledge of such a gospel in the first place and canonised it.

[@paulmyers8959]

I would not call the Apostle John a theologically uneducated and arrogant man. He correctly identified the apostasy in Rev 17 as the Catholic church in Rome built on 7 hills. The woman is the "mother of harlots" (Protestants) It was the Jesuits who came up with the futurist Antichrist idea to counter the Reformation when people like Tyndale realized who the man of sin really was. If you wish to be part of that system you will reap the consequences . You are a blind leader of the blind. Re 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

[@rickh4667]

Paul myers amen!

[@franmorrison1080]

@@ElderJoseph please research J.T's background and his search for truth. It was nothing like Russel or Smith.

[@rowanmarc]

the problem with your interpretation of Revelation 17 is that it contradicts other Scriptures. Jesus said about the church that "the gates of hell would not prevail against it." In other words, although the church has gone through periods of being lukewarm, and has been undermined by false teaching, she has always existed. There have ALWAYS been genuine Christians - so to say that there was not true church for centuries, until John Thomas came along to restore it, contradicts the teaching of Jesus himself. John Thomas is simply too late in history for his claims to be true (Matthew 16:18).

[@JesusIsaFlatEarther]

Listening to this guy explain the Trinity is like listening to a Catholic explain their religion.

[@franmorrison1080]

yes, its unexplainable!

[@clairebaker1195]

total nonsense! Amen.

[@NauvooExpositor]

The LDS church is true. It’s not a matter of who got it right for pride, it’s objective. And the LDS definitely do not claim to “just read the Bible”

[@jrYoutube1]

Would there be anything wrong with just reading the bible though?

[@jaydenstone3603]

Jesus Christ came to the world, to glorify himself, by sacrificing him self, to not do his own will, but to do well his own will..?? To live a life dedicated to himself, to then crucify himself, to which would give himself the glory. Then he arose up to himself to sit on his own right hand next to himself.. makes sense?

[@georgediaz2600]

jayden stone he is God he can do what ever he wants. Does that make sense we will never fully understand for we are born in sin.

[@mawmawvee]

Yes, it does.