Christian Nationalism On The Rise

[@rogerharvey1698]

If churches are exempt from paying taxes, then they should refrain from preaching on politics. I read something written in another comment section that I liked, “two people you should never trust. A preacher who tells you how to vote, and a politician who tells you how to pray.”

[@Sam.G79]

There's only one way this world will get better. And that way is the way of the Bible

[@rogerharvey1698]

Yo’@@Sam.G79. I’ve had to endure Christian hypocrisy most of my life, and I’ve come to the conclusions the louder the Christian the more hypocritical. These days there are two prayers I routinely I recite quietly to myself in moments of reflection. One is simple gratitude to for the life and experiences I’ve been granted. The other is a plea to my creator to protect me from the rabid religious zealots regardless the specific beliefs.

[@Sam.G79]

@@rogerharvey1698 You're right, there's lots of hypocrisy in the church. So why not be that example of how a Christian is supposed to live?

[@tef_newalbionpacificmedia]

You must of watched the BBC piece, excellent in many ways.... and from a government network with a state church!

[@tanzloid9967]

dont care, Christ is King, stay mad

[@chrystallee5528]

Politicians should never campaign in churches. I find it despicable.

[@PanhandleFrank]

But there are voters in churches.

[@enough1494]

Churches re the ones campaigning for politicians

[@eddyeroyal6024]

I was asked to listen and vote for this person, I never even knew the people, if you think I voted for that person, I didn’t.

[@dennisreed3382]

What country do you live in? America is supposed to be free to do as you wish, live as you wish,and worship as you wish. Just what is your problem with that.

[@chrystallee5528]

@@dennisreed3382 church & state

[@gixellia8455]

I was once taught by a wise woman that 'the church is full of sinners, not of saints'.

[@ruthalbala2181]

Sinners saved by grace.

[@brenlh6484]

We are all sinners.

[@brenlh6484]

@@ruthalbala2181 but still sinners even after being saved

[@taramahoney1225]

@@brenlh6484 Not really. They hide within religion. And continue to commit their crimes.

[@alexkane84]

This is why we need God now more than ever

[@paddle_my_mad_laddle]

This isn't christian nationalism, call it what it actually is. Christofascism.

[@fremendude8653]

Nah. I’m calling it Christian Nationalism. Stop making up stupid names.

[@Tempus-N0X]

For reference : First Amendment The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition. It forbids Congress from both promoting one religion over others and also restricting an individual’s religious practices.

[@menudobucket9837]

@SNAFU ~ Good eye.. It’s that prohibition that forms the foundation upon which the wall of separation is built.

[@chipsalom]

Shorter said, the "nation" is not "Christian"... Ppl can be, the nation and it's laws are not.

[@MrDXRamirez]

For reference, you are giving us the function of the amendment; you are not giving us the theory behind the amendment; in other words, why founding fathers wrote it is not explained by telling us what it does. Americans seem to hate the question: Why? But love the questions of What and When?

[@DD-sf3ui]

@@MrDXRamirez Care to elucidate the theory behind it for us? Seems to me that sometimes the function is the reason why, but I'm open to hearing your perspective on this.

[@Cinnamonbuns13]

@@chipsalom Because Christianity was assumed in its founding.

[@Maya_Ruinz]

the Establishment clause exists for a reason, freedom of religion requires freedom from religion. The whole point of the clause is to prevent the government from establishing a state religion and prohibit it from favoring one faith over another, end of story.

[@asdflk3298]

I don't see anywhere in the video where anyone was advocating for the government to establish a religion. The Christians' views seemed to be that they want people to vote according to their biblical beliefs. It also depends how you define religion. Someone could argue that a law against polygamy or slavery or child labor or human sacrifice is against their religion. At some point, the government must decide what is illegal regardless of any religious view. How the government decides this could be considered a religion too.

[@alexkane84]

@@asdflk3298 exactly good point

[@C_James_O]

Every legislature brings their “god” to the table. Church shouldn’t run the government, but disciples sure can!

[@ogrc-dot-org5635]

Anthony, the state didn't invent marriage. Religion established it. By your logic, you should advocate the state get out of the marriage business all together. So long as it's in the marriage business, the government is dealing with religious views. So you better expect Christians to have an opinion on the religious views our secular goverment is pontificating on.

[@jturtle5318]

@@ogrc-dot-org5635 christianity didn't invent marriage either. The state's interest in marriage is for taxes and child support.

[@jeeess9979]

it is absolutely a violation of the constitution to not keep government and religion SEPARATE.... PEOPLE MIGRATE HERE FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!

[@luisvelez5695]

Wrong , in Europe the church had powers over peoples lives , that is why the Puritans came here in the first place ,

[@debravanausdale1063]

@@luisvelez5695 The comment at the top of this page said NOTHING about Puritans, not should they have, as the US Constitution is in control in the USA.

[@TKO67]

Really? Please provide which article.

[@debravanausdale1063]

@@TKO67 I have no articles to provide for you: I would suggest that you do your own research. I'll help you: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violate, and no Warrants, shall ussie, but upon probably cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be search, and the persons or things to be seized." Amendment 4 of the US Constitution."

[@luisvelez5695]

@@debravanausdale1063 that amendment has nothing to do with the separation of church and state.a bill for a nation wide Sunday law was proposed by senator Blair 1888. it was not passed due to seventh day the baptist protested the law .

[@newjerseyselfdefense6199]

The founding fathers were not even Christian - they were deist.

[@gordonmurray5962]

“How dismal it is to see present day Americans yearning for the very orthodoxy that their country was founded to escape.” - Christopher Hitchens

[@HolyknightVader999]

LOL. Hitches didn't realize that the Pilgrims left England because they weren't orthodox enough in their Protestantism. The Stuarts wanted to tolerate Catholicism and incorporate its practices into the Anglican Church, the Puritans disagreed, there was a civil war where the Puritans won the war and lost the peace, so they left for America so they can oppress their own people their way while the libertines ruled in London where Catholics and Anglicans were in bed with each other. (The Stuarts were friendly with the Catholic Bourbons who ruled France)

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

The worse Hitchens brother

[@trentpeterson3495]

Even being a Christian nationalist your beliefs aren't that other religions shouldn't exist or have freedoms. In fact Christians have Ling stood for the religious freedoms of all religions. Clearly division of church and state is put in place to protect the people from a religion based Government which always end badly so most of these individuals wouldn't be supported by logical people. The division exists so both government and religion can exist.

[@Tadneiko]

Wouldn't it be hilarious to see Hitchens go head to head with that wilson guy? Fun fact: he did. The debates are epic.

[@ilajoie3]

@@HolyknightVader999 Nice to see someone who knows the history of America more than most Americans. The idea that the people who came here because of "religious persecution" really came here because they couldn't exert their own ways on others

[@rn6312]

It isn't about religion anymore. It's about Christian nationalists gaining as much power as they possibly can

[@rn6312]

@@sdud1801 I guess you didn't see the fact I said "Christian nationalist" instead of "All Christians." or "Christians" The problem are people like you not being able to read correctly. If you really believe those kinds of people up there are being religious and not wanting power, you're on drugs.

[@jschuler53]

If you control reproduction you can grow a church the way you want. that's what really matters. (sarcasm)

[@Jm4steam]

Exactly they are a fascists autocratic theocracy.

[@benjaminmyers5299]

So I other words, it's about religion.

[@sparrotara]

@@jschuler53 sarcasm but it's true

[@mrjaxthecat]

The U.S. is about two heartbeats away from Germany and Italy in the late 1930's.

[@Cinnamonbuns13]

Yeah the Secular Atheists are going to start killing people again.

[@joeking433]

That's what I thought when Trump was elected!

[@leehughart3160]

You might consider carefully who closest meets the definition of fascists.

[@joeking433]

@@leehughart3160 Trump is a nationalist and authoritarian autocrat like the fascist dictators and the Democrats are state power oriented like the fascists.

[@benjaminmyers5299]

And one heartbeat away from their parent ideology of Marxism.

[@eleanor8652]

“That’s not a hate crime.” “Well I hated it!”

[@shauncurl6198]

I'm an atheist and I'm a better Christian than these people

[@ha-zi]

Me too

[@sparrotara]

You are so right I personally love Jesus but this is what my atheist boss told me because they do not believe in the hereafter they do the best that they can while they are here they love and help humanity I do hope they find the love of Jesus because he's an awesome guy and that they actually get to live this other incredible life yes but am I going to throw it in their face no

[@aaronTNGDS9]

And just like an atheist you have this tendency to see yourself as superior to others, lacking spiritual virtues like humility, selflessness, and respect for other people's cultural values and beliefs.

[@dovahkiin159]

Same here. As an atheist, I still respect other's right to practice their religion, but I find so many of them (like these people in the video) are hypocrites and some even use their religion to justify their evil acts.

[@pedromain]

​@@sparrotaraI hope he never find Jesus lol, if he's a good guy now, he wont be anymore.

[@MAG320]

I will go out on a limb and say this: " Separation of church and state or else we will have the dark ages."

[@alexkane84]

Wrong the removal of God correlates directly with increased human degeneracy

[@SUGAR_XYLER]

Exactly. ⚛

[@Yela927]

The dark ages? Like when abortion wasn’t seen as a woman’s right to choose and when Marriage was clearly defined as a pro creation commitment done for the good of society rather than a decision based on just your impulsive infatuations. With statements like “Love is Love” and “My body my choice” how can you be so sure we aren’t already in some sort of secular dark age?

[@C_James_O]

The governments that killed the most people were atheist 😅

[@jturtle5318]

@@Yela927 abortion was widely practiced. It became a Fundagelical rallying point when they realized in the 1970s that they couldn't run candidates based on racial segregation and white supremacy.

[@libertyann439]

I'm tired of "religious freedom " overruling every other freedom. And I'm tired of the Christian entitlement that gets forced on the rest of us.

[@5353Jumper]

Even most Christians are tired of the be Prosperity Gospel White Evangelical "Christian" denomination dominating the political rhetoric.

[@kate60]

Freedom without a prefix. Jesus Christ is Lord. Jesus Christ is hated by the world. You hate Christianity because you hate Jesus Christ Crucified for your sin.

[@5353Jumper]

@@kate60 no people hate Christianity because the church, clergy, members and also many false members have done terrible things justifying their actions with false Christianity. Christ was/is great. The false followers of Christ are the problem.

[@tinarodriguez969]

Who's forcing Christianity on you?

[@pamgessler5923]

What entitlements do Christians get that you do not get?

[@MrMattSax]

So you have a progressive Christian getting one idea from the Bible and a right wing fascist Christian getting the opposite idea… seems as though it’s an ambiguous book that can be interpreted in any way to support any position 🤔

[@auntnay5513]

Exactly. The Bible can say whatever you want it to say, depending on your narrative and agenda. 😒

[@MrMattSax]

@@auntnay5513 seems to be the case

[@dancingnature]

Y’all never heard that expression. The devil can quote scripture to get what he wants!

[@MrMattSax]

@@dancingnature you seem to be agreeing that scripture can be used to justify any position. If that is the case, what use is it?

[@jschuler53]

@@auntnay5513 Absolutely because it's literary, not factual. You cannot make bible quantitative it's all qualitative. Meaning the interpretations are entirely subjective. No one should live their lives in accord with any religion. That's stupid. Think for yourself.

[@williamwilson6499]

I went to Afghanistan to fight the Taliban…I will fight the Christian Taliban here. I see no difference between them.

[@InnerGiggles]

❤

[@ralphmullenax1862]

Thank you for your service. I'm assuming you're a reasonable person as a soldier. There is a distinct and important difference. When Pastor Doug talks about making Moscow Christian, it's a vision of God working to convert the hearts of the citizens of the town and those citizens running the government in accord with their own beliefs. It isn't a take-it-by-force approach at all. Imagine a town where everyone becomes Christian. Wouldn't those Christians naturally run the town in a more Christian way? Hopefully you see the difference between that and terrorism.

[@daydreonmckinney]

@@ralphmullenax1862 Christian nationalists are not christians.

[@ralphmullenax1862]

@@daydreonmckinney Jesus literally said to go and make disciples of all nations.

[@daydreonmckinney]

@@ralphmullenax1862 He never said to force religion. He said follow if you want. Who's to say who's religion is the right one to follow. Christian nationalists only think their beliefs are right and all others are wrong. We all have our own beliefs and we should have the freedom to do so.

[@umbertoverbita6653]

it is not about God or Christianism... it is all about MONEY..... MONEY.... and MONEY

[@selfaccountable3464]

You can make that charge at many churches in the prosperity movement..... but not Christ Church Moscow. Wilson started the publishing company there, and if he produces products people want, why should he not be allowed to profit on it?

[@selfaccountable3464]

@Gaawachan Doug Wilson's father had nothing to do with Moscow, ID - he lived, and died, on the East Coast decades ago. What are you even talking about? The best way to deal with tax exemption concerns is to get rid of property taxes and income taxes all together and replace them with consumption taxes. So lets do it.....

[@selfaccountable3464]

@Gaawachan Unlike you, I am willing to concede when I am wrong on a FACT. Jim died in Moscow. But his family, including Doug in his childhood, did live and grow up in the East. I wonder if you have ever posted ANYTHING incorrect or wrong online ever --- does that make you a "clown" as well? Thank you, in advance, for your erudite and inclusive manner of discourse.

[@that_heretic]

They'll settle for power over out-groups. In fact, I think they'd prefer it over the cash.

[@stevepierce6467]

Well, also about POWER, over non-whites and women.

[@mrjamos57]

I STRONGLY object to tax dollars going to churches unless they pay TAXES TOO

[@jaybreaux1391]

They do. Are you okay with your tax dollars going to churches now?

[@TheTrueOnyxRose]

Churches have to sign up to receive it. There are churches who won’t because they refuse to be connected to the government.

[@SpinSpin2020]

@@jaybreaux1391 They don't.

[@timhawley3721]

Since when has any tax dollars gone to the church?

[@OhioCoastie94]

Since when do tax dollars go to a church?

[@richardsimms251]

Freedom OF religion. Freedom FROM religion.

[@OGrandomunknownperson]

Freedom from religion is more important. We don't want s book written by barbarians 2000 years ago dictating us what to do. We don't want to become the Christian version of Iran. Well maybe you do, I certainly hope better for my country

[@arranpattison5809]

Religion is adoption of beliefs... So you're saying you don't have beliefs? And isn't the 'state' the use of force? Wokeism is a religion also wouldn't you say?

[@DC-js3ro]

​@@arranpattison5809Nonsense! Maybe you should wake up.

[@richardlangcay9903]

Freedom to CHOOSE IS SACRED that even the ALMIGHTY DID NOT TAKE AWAY FROM SATAN AND HIS FALLEN ANGELS.

[@jschuler53]

@@richardlangcay9903 You sound like you went off your meds.

[@3ld919]

The day many Christians stopped asking WWJD & started asking WWDTD, was the day the flock was lost.

[@alexkane84]

The day atheists deceived themselves with junk science is when they were lost

[@mikejohnson2173]

WWDTD? What does this mean?🤔

[@GenRN]

@@mikejohnson2173 what would Donald tRump do.

[@loristewart5701]

@@mikejohnson2173 What would Donald Trump do?

[@alexkane84]

Modern day American atheist Marxists espousing this anti Christian propaganda is dangerous. The atheism in Communist regimes has been and continues to be militant atheism and various acts of repression including the razing of thousands of religious buildings and the killing, imprisoning, and oppression of religious leaders and believers

[@that_heretic]

I'm reminded of these wise words. "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the Despot abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own." Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 17 March 1814.

[@pamgessler5923]

Said protestant Thomas Jefferson.

[@masterlee9822]

You want to swing it the other way and make atheism hostile to liberty?

[@95v37]

@@pamgessler5923rightfully criticizing the Catholic Church for countless historical errors, abuses and discrepancies. It’s only unfortunate that Christianity took on the same evil mask albeit more close to home than on a wide scale.

[@PatrickThreewit]

@@pamgessler5923 Thomas Jefferson said in his book, "The Jefferson Bible" that he did not believe that Jesus was divine so he guess he wasn't a protestant.

[@pamgessler5923]

@@PatrickThreewit Jefferson made up his over religion. He didn't believe in miracles. His loss.

[@miskatonic_alumni]

“When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, ’tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.” -- Benjamin Franklin

[@miskatonic_alumni]

@Lee Kenyon Because that never ends well.

[@tracyscanlon4587]

Because they don't pay taxes

[@tracyscanlon4587]

You live in the year 2025 the monarchs don't have it that good it will stay in Moscow sir😮

[@tracyscanlon4587]

How many wives does he have?😮

[@hismajesty6272]

Franklin talking about God is like Redditors talking about showers. Both have no idea what they’re talking about.

[@mathisnotforthefaintofheart]

As a non Christian living in the US, I am absolutely frightened by the rise of Christian nationalism. One of the reasons I came to the US is because of the First Amendment. That's a landmark rule a lot of nations can learn something of.

[@mosesking2923]

Then feel free to leave. The first amendment is merely a manmade law. Not sacred or divine and needs to be thrown out. It’s time to bring back theocracy and order to the world. We banned abortion and now time to go after the rest.

[@fastronaut909]

The first Amendment protects Christians as much as it does anyone else.

[@khanhminhnguyen7274]

Same here. My home country is communist state. I did not leave a communist state for a Christian state.

[@mavhunter8753]

LMAO

[@magatism]

Where are you from...

[@smokeaguitar3019]

A guy grifting using religion? Never heard of such a thing.

[@paulathepoodlelover]

@Edwin Right-o! And molesting teens and children in the back rooms. Absolutely agree. they find this an "easy money" gig.

[@RobertEskuri]

By appeasing and enabling these people Trump has done more damage to Christianity than Satan ever could.

[@waderichardson3342]

Trump is the Anti-Christ !

[@devin9434]

How any person can think that and like that stupidity is mind boggling

[@alexkane84]

Western civilization itself was based on the ten commandments , and the pilgrims came here purely so they could be free of secular and pagan oppression.

[@citizengoodman8023]

Maybe Trump is Satan.

[@MorpheusOne]

Theocracy is really just a religious form of communism.

[@realitycheck9978]

They are hypocrites saying don't force us as they force us to go along with their ways.

[@aleckelly8840]

Big hypocrisy. They’ll say don’t force your lifestyle on me (aka they’re threatened that you’re an individual and make your own choices) and then out of that same fear and indifference seek to control you.

[@douglasrodriguez9762]

I'm very grateful that I've lived without any religion my entire life. I can see the lies, the need to control people. They disguise this mantle of control often very cleverly, but it all comes down to the same thing after you peel away all the distracting masks.....control.

[@tomace7924]

Never in my life would I have thought that so many Americans would want to embrace a theocratic government like Iran, Saudi Arabia & Afghanistan.

[@insirable3127]

Still better than LGBT state.

[@hismajesty6272]

Because they don’t. Christian Nationalism is a broad tent and most of it is within reason.

[@questcore636]

christians aren't so different from islam

[@davidgoff357]

The Bible is meant to be used by the individual as a guide for life.not to be used as a political prop.

[@isaacthegoat1432]

Said who?

[@isaacthegoat1432]

@@QuantumSpaceToaster You're just a sellout. Christians have already provec their truth and we believe that everyone should follow Jesus. You're dumb enough to think that Christians don't dominate American politics and you're dumb enough to think that a theocracy has to disallow other religions to be practised.

[@michellebermingham2350]

Quite right

[@pedromain]

the bible as an individual guide is new idea, christianity was always forced under others peoples throats. They are just returning to their roots.

[@christiansoldier77]

@@pedromain Its ironic that you say Christianity was forced on people yet America was never a Christian country ? How does that work ?LOL Christianity was never forced on anyone but Christianity was always the dominant ideology in America.

[@sloperdad4835]

Good point, Christ did not attack non-believers or impose his teachings on others. This didn't start until formal religions wanted power.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

This Topic is literally a GIANT TALKING-POINT of Atheist-KZbinrs.

[@vercoda9997]

@@loturzelrestaurant Not sure what the relevance of that is.

[@Raineygoodyears]

sloper dad-The Great Commission Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”… Matthew 28:19

[@rabbit251]

@@Raineygoodyears The more you get to hardcore christians the closer they look the same as fundamental Muslims.

[@adamfrost3139]

@@loturzelrestaurant yet from what I've seen they seem to have more of an understanding of Jesus Christ than many of those self proclaimed christian zealots, which is an ironic juxtaposition.

[@conrioakfield414]

You cannot have freedom of religion without freedom FROM religion. And that includes different Christian sects. And speaking of Founders, let us reference the Tripoli treaty of 1796, Article 11 in part... "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;" In the US, religion has always been how you live your life, not how you force other people to live theirs.

[@D-E-S_8559]

YES! Muslims had slaves, infact Mansa Musa in the 1300s matched an army of 60,000 Africans and 12,000 slaves on his hajj to Mecca. But Muslims DO NOT enslave other Muslims. The Malian Empire was allied to the Iberian Peninsular rulers in Europe and provided both free and enslaved soldiers to its Marinid rulers, for nearly 1000 years Africans, Moors and Muslims were born in Europe for generations after generations, but where is that part of the European history today...???

[@Yesica1993]

I agree! No one should force you to put on a muzzle, close your church or business for a bad flu, or inject yourself with unknown substances that don't even prevent the illness we were told it would. Glad we agree on that. LOL!

[@curedbytheonomy]

I love that. “[R]religion has always been how you live your life…” Accordingly, all the sexual abominations, fetal murder, gender-confusion, etc…how you live your life…is really, actually religious. It should therefore be regulated by the religion clauses of the First Amendment.

[@conrioakfield414]

@@Yesica1993 1. Shouldn't have to force things to close, especially Christian churches. You're supposed to love and care for your neighbor. 2. No one said it would prevent all Covid infections. It helps the body resist, and if Covid is caught, helps mitigate and shorten the symptoms.

[@conrioakfield414]

@@curedbytheonomy The Establishment Clause keeps the institutions of the Church and State separated. And your comments are what is called a False Equivalence argument fallacy.

[@kennethmckinley9922]

Remember when churches use to preach peace and unity

[@hismajesty6272]

And they still do, but news networks like to focus on the ones that don’t for clicks and fear mongering.

[@hadara69]

"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own." ~Founding Father *Thomas Jefferson,* in a letter to Horatio Spofford, 1814

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and PREFER CHRISTIANS for their rulers. National prosperity can neither be obtained nor preserved without the favor of Providence.” ~ John Jay 1816

[@hadara69]

@@virtualpilgrim8645 Exactly. In a democracy, the people choose, and they’ve chosen to keep YOU fundie nutjobs from destroying OUR democracy. Overwhelmingly so! Just look at the stats on Roe v. Wade and how it’s mobilized the LW against you. Is that “providence” (the same thing Hitler said, btw), OR is it PROGRESS? Take your time...

[@hadara69]

@@virtualpilgrim8645

[@henrymanzano2201]

Jefferson was no angel, but with this quote,he wasn't wrong

[@hadara69]

@@henrymanzano2201 Few in the past were “angels” by today’s standards. Him owning slaves or raping them to have kids with them (I assume what you’re referring to) was not only common but normalized. We can’t keep dismissing what people in the past said based on modern morality. It’s worse than a genetic fallacy. It’s like a “genetic fallacy with backpay” or something. Haha!

[@tylerjornov]

“They don’t represent Christianity” says the Unitarian Universalist 😂

[@Globeguy1337]

My thoughts exactly.

[@리주민]

Yeah...they could have gone with a more mainstream Christian such as Lutherans or episcold....esposocal...piscopalia.. the Anglicans. 😋 In either case: to those that disagree with the churches in question: Trinitarian is not the only game in town, just like Baptists are not the only Christians (No true Scotsman fallacy). Many pentecostals are oneness (God, Jesus, and holy spirit are manifestations of one God, just like the burning bush isn't the 4th person in the trinity). While other denominations believe God and Jesus are two separate beings (unitarian--father and son or adopted son). No one should be accusing another of not being a member of a group. In the past, there were even denominations that said Jesus was the true God and Jehovah was the devil in sheep's clothing (which they cite the deaths committed by God vs the deaths committed by the devil in the bible-spoiler: God got a much much much higher death count).

[@xtaticsr2041]

That’s how pathetic Christian Nationalism is

[@quantomsquirrelleap]

They picked the extreme outliers of liberal “Christianity” to oppose Wilson. Maddening

[@selfaccountable3464]

John Adams may have beent he last Christian Unitarian Universalist.

[@aguerra1381]

They're using Christianity as an ideology and not as the way to receiving a NEW nature; one ruled by true wisdom, temperance, compassion and LOVE.

[@Fromanotherearth]

Christianity is a scam

[@hismajesty6272]

Ideologies control the mind of the follower of the ideology. Best to make your faith the ideology.

[@always-ask-why]

Christianity deserves the same respect and protection in our constitutional law as astrology, scientology, horoscopes and fortune cookies. *There is exactly the same amount of evidence for the "truth" of christianity as for astrology, scientology, horoscopes and fortune cookies.*

[@moonmunster]

The Republicans sure like the Constitution when it comes to the 2nd Amendment but not the 1st Amendment.

[@PanhandleFrank]

Please cite the time stamp(s) in the video where Wilson (I assume the "Republican" you mean in this context) derides free speech.

[@moonmunster]

@@PanhandleFrank I'm talking about freedom of religion. But the GOP is against free speech too. Case in point is Ron DeSantis and the Tampa prosecutor that is elected by the people yet DeSantis "fires" him because he doesn't like what the prosecutor says. The court case on that just started today, 9-19-2022.

[@anthonyesposito7]

@@PanhandleFrank Freedom from religion and freedom of religion. This isn't hard folks the government is to remain neutral when it comes to religion. This position also happens to be fairly close to the soft atheist position that alot of people think states that there is no God but really means prove there's a God and we'll believe but until keep quiet.

[@davidallamericananarchist9220]

I love democracy and support all of the constitution, *including* the 2nd Amendment...

[@sorgeelenchus]

@@PanhandleFrank the first amendment is more than freedom of speech. You need to review establishment clause and free exercise clause.

[@C_James_O]

“They said women can’t wear pants” Proceeds to show clip of women singing psalms wearing pants Delusional

[@jcpg9592]

Well put, claims with no evidence

[@MorpheusOne]

@jc pg: You doubt their claims of the neo-fascist ideological sewage of Christian nationalism? Why?

[@MorpheusOne]

@Cody James: They had left that _`Church of Satan`._ And they said that they left, too. Are you dense or trolling?!

[@vanjones1429]

Yeah that guy either is straight up lying or just misunderstood the message severely.

[@Dustandfuzz]

In Jesus day men wore tunics and robes, not pants. It’s acceptable for women to wear ladies clothes (lady’s pants or dresses) and men to wear mens clothes, not acceptable to be drag queens or butches in mens clothes. Just be what God made you, and don’t try to be something else.

[@camwedel]

"Pastor says women can't wear pants". *Immediately pans to church women wearing pants. LOL

[@petemavus2948]

They said an act of contrition and they were fine. 😇

[@djentile7773]

Did you hear Doug say that or just the people in the video?

[@petemavus2948]

@@djentile7773 Who's Doug? 🤪

[@djentile7773]

@@petemavus2948 Doug Wilson the pastor. He's actually a cool dude, funny and intelligent.

[@petemavus2948]

@@djentile7773Oh, as long as he's not one of those 'conservative'christian fundamentalist extremist celebrities, I wish him luck.

[@j.d.445]

As a Dane, I'm flabbergastered that pastors/priests in the US are allowed to preach politics and tell you who to vote for. The fact that the church opposed a mask mandate is seriously cray-cray. For years now, I've been calling the Evangelical community #ChristianTaliban. It's a complete #ChristianMoralCollaps!

[@hismajesty6272]

It’s depressing that you’re flabbergasted by pastors saying what they think is true. The 1st amendment is to protect the rights of churches from the GOVERNMENT interfering with them. The church can do whatever it wants.

[@jrch5563]

A person going to a bigoted church calls out people for being bigots. WOW.

[@hismajesty6272]

“+100 Karma” ☝️🤓

[@robertherman1146]

If there is no separation of church and state, then make the churches pay taxes. No more tax exempt status.

[@Bryan_Lion]

Churches don’t pay taxes because they feed and shelter more people than world governments combined. They provide free education and medicine where it is needed most. My churches funds are used to help the community. It’s not some get rich scheme 🤦‍♂️ y’all think we’re all like Joel Osteen (who is a false teacher)

[@verbalkint4258]

Make these demagogues pay taxes and you'll see how quickly they'll stay out of politics. If you don't pay taxes, you don't get representation, simple as that.

[@adriangeh6414]

Their all powerful deity seems to really like money...

[@mosesking2923]

I love forcing atheists to subsidize religion. Makes me so happy that atheists are forced to pay for religious organizations like the COVID loans during the pandemic. LOL.

[@mosesking2923]

@@verbalkint4258 nah, I enjoy seeing atheists forced to pay for religions LOL. Hence why so many churches got loans during the pandemic. You are forced to pay for churches and you are too powerless to do anything about it lololol.

[@sloperdad4835]

Freedom of religion requires freedom from religion!

[@hismajesty6272]

It actually doesn’t. Can you prove me wrong with imperial data?

[@Corey4Jesus]

Once religion is forced, you may automatically know it’s a false religion. We must have true Christianity, which gives us all freedom of choice.

[@hismajesty6272]

I feel like you’re waaay oversimplifying it. Christian Nationalism is a broad tent.

[@mr.anderson3369]

Here is a book that I highly recommend, 'American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America' by Chris Hedges, 2007

[@Danielbboylight]

I highly recommend that you realize that left and right are the same just on opposite ends. The fact you think that book is anything but one sided propoganda you're not only sadly mistaken but unable to think beyond your group think mentality.

[@Raydensheraj]

There's way better works that fit our times....Andrew Seidel "The Founding Myth" or Kathrine Stewarts " The Power Worshippers." for example. "Jesus and john Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation' by Kristin Kobes Du Mez "Taking America Back for God: Christian Nationalism in the United States" by Andrew l Whitehead and Samuel L.Perry 'White Too Long" by Robert P.Jones "Unholy: Why White Evangelicals Worship at the Altar of Doald Trump' by Sarah Posner

[@MegaBladerunner007]

Notice how he said slavery was not a "positive good" implying that it was a negative good. These are the kinds of distinctions that lead religious people of all faiths to do horrendous and savage things to other human beings and have no conscious about it. This highlights one of the differences between the spiritual and the religious.

[@cocobunitacobuni8738]

the new testament explicitly approves of slavery. It also tells women to be silent, not to teach and not to have authority over a man. It is clear that this palestinian desert religion has nothing to teach us on morality. Its creators were ignorant herdsmen who would have had nothing to contribute anything to this society, especially not to knowledge and science. Any christian who does not follow the bible and believe it literally is admitting that the bible is not the perfect word of god.

[@julieporter7805]

I noticed that. How about slavery was awful! Slavery was negative. Full stop?

[@tef_newalbionpacificmedia]

Remember, it was the religious conservatives who defended slavery while the deists and religious liberals agitated against it in the early to mid 1800s. Nothing has changed, and I bet most of these folks think the confederacy is cool.

[@spongeintheshoe]

Wouldn't a negative good be a bad?

[@MegaBladerunner007]

Good is good and bad is bad. There should be no negative or positive. @@spongeintheshoe

[@devy2]

As an Idahoan, I was not expecting this video to cover so close to home.

[@PanhandleFrank]

As a Washingtonian, I bet it's closer to me than to thee ...

[@CaptPeon]

I'm a native Idaho and too. I left my church when it took a hard turn towards Christian Nationalism. I was surprised that this story came to Idaho... but it makes perfect sense too. We can't allow this movement to gain power!!

[@jordanalexander1745]

@@CaptPeon Utah resident here. I left my church and it definitely had a little something to do with this insanity.

[@CaptPeon]

@@jordanalexander1745 good luck in Utah! My family is almost entirely Mormon and swallowing Christian Nationalism whole... and have been convening in Utah... they won't talk to me anymore because I don't think Reagan was a god-send... I guess that makes them your problem... sorry 😞

[@justinkase1360]

@@CaptPeon The idea that right and wrong has a place in individual life, in family life, but not in civil life is foolish and not supported by scripture. OF COURSE, we should vote according to our values and we should be trying to make disciples of the nations. If America became so Christian that it would reflect what the bible says is good and what it says is justice, that is a good thing. To think otherwise is to see God's morality and flawed and worse than man's.

[@thedream4526]

There is no God!!!

[@MrBigrobmjca3]

Then what created all of this?

[@lairddougal3833]

My contempt for religion, Christian fundamentalism in particular, has steadily grown over the years. Engagement was followed by withdrawal. That was succeeded by a bare tolerance (the live and let live variety), which was followed by a alarm, which gave way to contempt. The successor to all that is anger. These people have invented God in their own image, they have demonstrated bigotry, intolerance, greed, infidelity, sexual abuse, racism and misogyny. They are not just anti science but anti knowledge. And now they seek to put us all in moral straitjackets of their entirely hypocritical design. These people are not our friends, our pastoral carers. They are our enemies.

[@brahmburgers]

New book articulates the gaping flaws in the Bible's New Testament. Its title: 'Candy Coated Jesus' ....avail online.

[@markusw.2690]

You are wrong. Doug Wilson is man of God and he is hated by liberals because he tells straight biblical truth with boldness. You should repent for your sin and turn to Christ as your Savior, who is the risen King!

[@brahmburgers]

@@markusw.2690 You want to have 'a risen king' or an 'all compassionate God' or hang on to a Santa Claus belief, that's your choice. Unfortunately, fixation on God-myths and Jesus being a perfect non-human has caused immense pain and suffering to other humans - for over 2,000 years. That's the only reason I'm anti-religion. If you nutcases weren't harming people in droves, then I don't mind you sucking in any silly fluff you want to believe, and that's fine. How well do you know the Bible? 2 brief multiple choice quizzes at: adventure1.com/jesusquiz.pdf

[@tef_newalbionpacificmedia]

You might appreciate this, “Nothing has been left undone by the enemies of freedom. Every art and artifice, every cruelty and outrage has been practiced and perpetrated to destroy the rights of man. In this great struggle every crime has been rewarded and every virtue has been punished. Reading, writing, thinking and investigating have all been crimes. Every science has been an outcast. All the altars and all the thrones united to arrest the forward march of the human race. The king said that mankind must not work for themselves. The priest said that mankind must not think for themselves. One forged chains for the hands, the other for the soul.” ~Col. Robert G. Ingersoll, The Liberty Of Man, Woman And Child, 1895

[@dawnthomas3282]

Yes , sir

[@scoobydoo3928]

What I did not hear from this panel, was the direct link to right wing authoritarianism, and Evangelicals / Christian Fundamentalists. Studies have been done, that show these groups are almost always right wing authoritarian personalities. That is, they want and need a strong leader, with a boot on everyone's neck. Someone with simple answers to complex problems. Look around at other nations, and you will find this to be true. (Hungary is being held up by them as the ideal lately.) The biggest danger is, these same groups also need an enemy to demonize. Most frequently immigrants, people of color and LGBTQ communities. The end result is when the Authoritarian Leader takes over the media and the military. Like Russia, China, North Korea.

[@antoniahamilton3201]

Precisely.

[@Cinnamonbuns13]

"Authoritarian Personality" You mean that rag written by the Frankfurt School to label anyone halfway normal as a Nazi?

[@antoniahamilton3201]

This is so well said!

[@bradjohnson8100]

Stick to cartoons, Scooby, as you know nothing about history.

[@speavy]

Quick, call them racist and wife beaters and homophobes.

[@YevKassem6288]

The arrogance of the people who want this is breathtaking.

[@randomentity6553]

Ripley said it best: "Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"

[@miskatonic_alumni]

It's typical behavior for people that have been indoctrinated to defer to authority and tradition instead of thinking for themselves.

[@aidenmarshall6478]

I would encourage you to watch some of Doug Wilson's videos on Christian nationalism before you jump to that conclusion.

[@randomentity6553]

@@aidenmarshall6478 I think Matt's statement stands - Doug Wilson is an absolute nut job so what will watching his videos tell us?

[@aidenmarshall6478]

​@@randomentity6553 That's like saying "Jerry And The Rise Of The Comets is the worst movie ever, why would I ever go watch it?". You're claiming that Doug is a nut job, but have you actually watched any of his videos on Christian Nationalism, or have you read any of his articles on the topic?

[@paulnyakxx]

Whenever men have tried to merge God with the state in Christianity, they've ended up losing both God, and the crown. It's sad that people don't read history. The very clause they're seeking to repeal has been its shield against setting up a papal state as in the dark ages.

[@tef_newalbionpacificmedia]

Thank you, well said!

[@SpinSpin2020]

cults never admit they are cults

[@hismajesty6272]

-a cultist

[@TheTrueOnyxRose]

You can’t just cherry-pick the Bill of Rights… You might as well throw it into the fire and start over. Pro tip: No don’t do that.

[@michellewhatshername5577]

Why not? These people “cherry pick” the Bible. They don’t see the flawed thinking.

[@OhioCoastie94]

Name the parts of the Bible that Christ Chirch "cherry picks" and the parts it suppoedly ignores. Give specific citations, by which I mean chapter and verse, and then offer concrete examples in the teaching and conduct of Christ Church's leadership and members. Failing that, you'll retract your accusation as uninformed defamation (unless you've got no shame and no moral core, of course).

[@michellewhatshername5577]

@@OhioCoastie94 I will not “retract” my statement, nor will I recite your book. You believe what you want to believe. I do not believe in it. Foundation of United States of America. Religious freedom.

[@maxzzyzx8038]

@@OhioCoastie94 the bible is just a poorly written peice of literature.

[@Project-pq1qh]

There can be no separation between religion and state just like there is no separation between religion and education. The only question is which religion will inform the State and which religion will be taught at the schools. Remember what John states: anyone who denies that Christ came in the flesh is the antichrist.

[@galenztwo]

This is we’re the rubber meets the road, no one really wants to follow the Bible only the most fuzzy and warmest parts that really tickle their ears.

[@pennydavis9494]

Walking with tilking in their ears. They know not what they worship. Using God as a baseball bat. Or an umpire. Or Santa Clause. Using Christianity to meet Our needs instead of doing God's will. What's in it for me? Serving self rater than serving God.

[@prodigalone1681]

The Bible is based on authoritarianism we don't need that anymore

[@prodigalone1681]

And witch hunts

[@selohcin]

Precisely right. That's why the work that Pastor Wilson is doing is so important. Christianity cannot have any of the historically positive effects it has had on US culture if it is not taught and implemented properly.

[@selohcin]

@@prodigalone1681 Of course we seek God, and the best way of doing that is reading his book.

[@PaleArthur]

Isn’t Douglas Wilson the pastor who entered into a number of debates with the late Christopher Hitchens? These debates were later featured in a documentary called “Collision?” Collision would have appeared around 2009.

[@McChickenXCheese]

Yes, that is correct. But it is a shame that Wilson appears to have learned absolutely nothing from his time with Hitch.

[@PaleArthur]

@@McChickenXCheese I think you make an excellent point.

[@ghill88]

I'm still with the original founding fathers, build up the wall between church and state with titanium.

[@johndough201]

Wouldn't Gold be cheaper? Who'd have the ❤ to destroy it?

[@hismajesty6272]

I’m not with the Founders on matters of religion at all.

[@aw3821]

Boebert is bat crazy

[@GreatBigRanz]

Saw this coming 15 years ago.

[@jcpg9592]

Isn’t it marvelous!?

[@snehashispanda4808]

How 🤔❓

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

40 years ago. It picked up and began to organize 40 years ago. We laughed at it in Texas thinking it could never get anywhere. Not laughing now. Edit: We'll need patience and determination to counter this, it won't be a quick fix, we'll need to be as willing to work hard for any progress at all and not get discouraged as they have been. So. Do we have the stamina to stand against becoming docile slaves.

[@jcpg9592]

@What? No, I'm fighting for the rights of those innocent human beings that are being slaughtered. You are fighting for the "right" of women to choose to slaughter their children. You are the oppressor, not I. I don't assume that Christianity will always be in power. I'm not a post millenialist. But we will be fighting for it

[@rockthevote398]

@@kathryngeeslin9509 Yep, no one took it seriously when they started talking about how to take over on school boards, local gov, and build their way up....

[@StClare_]

"The Church is supposed to direct the government," Boebert said. My only question for her is-which church? There are thousands of Christian denominations. Will the Catholics lead? How about the Presbyterians? What about the Methodists? How about we keep religion and politics separate? It seems abhorrent to me-this idea that religion and politics should ever be combined!

[@mgreg8134]

If these folks had really studied not just the bible but the different religions in the world one thing stands out they seem to forget. You will never get everyone to think the same way. There will always be division and disagreement within any religious organization. So his efforts to turn Moscow ID. into a "christian" town is doomed from the beginning.

[@francismarion6400]

That's why the founders declared our rights come from the creator God instead of a religion.

[@leehughart3160]

If you listened to him, he never claimed that they would make everyone Christian. That is an idea she imposed on him.

[@mgreg8134]

@@leehughart3160 If you look at the screen capture of their mission page it states right on it " our desire is to make Moscow a Christian town." She is just quoting what their mission statement says.

[@leehughart3160]

@@mgreg8134 But does that mean that everyone becomes a Christian? You are reading into that.

[@mgreg8134]

@@leehughart3160 When people tell you who they are believe them.

[@henrymanzano2201]

Lmao @Lauren Boebert being anyone's go-to person for anything religious

[@brenlh6484]

Not even close to being a theologian. Just a fanatic of the Right. She wants to be rich like her higher ups in govt. She say anything and do anything to get that cultist evangelical vote. Just like Trump

[@henrymanzano2201]

@@brenlh6484 I know. Not sure if you've ever heard the term "Pick Me" Girl, but if it were in the dictionary,her picture would appear

[@brenlh6484]

@@henrymanzano2201 that reminds me of today SO many people taking selfies and sharing selfies. Like children needing approval that would say " Look at me daddy,look at me"

[@henrymanzano2201]

@@brenlh6484 Yup! And she's trying to get approval and validation from Conservative White Christian guys with a tone that says, "I'm not like other girls. Other girls are dumb and lame. I'm just like you"...hence the "Pick Me"

[@henrymanzano2201]

@@SueJohnson35628 Exactly. These people HATE people who had the values that Jesus stood for,and yet, they're the first ones telling you they're the "good guys"

[@m4gicman522]

Of course they went to a non Christian claiming to be a Christian to defend this hit piece.

[@bonnierobinson8684]

Informing.

[@NicoleM2108]

And the intersect Christian fighting begins! Ahh, why don't you keep this in your house and respect American freedoms everywhere else?

[@ec6052]

That's because there's no such thing as an actual Christian that doesn't just pretend to be one... Your comment doesn't sound very Christian like

[@리주민]

to those that disagree with the churches in question: Trinitarian is not the only game in town, just like Baptists are not the only Christians (No true Scotsman fallacy). Many pentecostals are oneness (God, Jesus, and holy spirit are manifestations of one God, just like the burning bush isn't the 4th person in the trinity). While other denominations believe God and Jesus are two separate beings (unitarian--father and son or adopted son). No one should be accusing another of not being a member of a group. In the past, there were even denominations that said Jesus was the true God and Jehovah was the devil in sheep's clothing (which they cite the deaths committed by God vs the deaths committed by the devil in the bible-spoiler: God got a much much much higher death count).

[@wvincagold]

No true Scotsman defense? Really? A disproved argument from around 1600? Your not a true Christian. See how easy it is? How about we believe people are who they say they are okay?

[@hereigoagain5050]

Taxing church profits would clear-out many of the charlatans.

[@MommaDee23]

I've been seeing this since I moved to Florida 16 years ago...mind boggling

[@nenmaster5218]

Nice mindset, but if that In-Group-Thinking ever gets boring, try "Some More News or if it can be realw-ild (=outside Red Vs Blue) even "Second Thought". Criticism for Both Partys and Coverage of Issues that all Rich-Dudes inore may get oovered there.

[@gaseoussnake6454]

never said anything about islamic nationalism in the bay area though did you

[@tabbyreed8925]

@@gaseoussnake6454 Nobody ever complains about Little Italy's or China towns or even Little Russia in new York. Muslims should be able to have a space too, just because you don't like their religion is no reason to hate on them having a space and not others.

[@gaseoussnake6454]

@@tabbyreed8925 that's exactly my point dear, christians should be afforded the same respect good white liberals allege to espouse, but who do so in bad faith. for what its worth i don't hate any religion but muslims do have a strong in group bias against people like me who are repulsed by the idea of submission. there are imams in the bay area who openly preach the implementation of hardcore sharia law as exists in iran

[@HotTakeAndy]

What I don’t get is all this talk about ending the separation of church and state.. as long as it’s “their church.” It’s baffling.

[@WesTV]

If Biden ending a speech with "allahu akbar", these people would foam at the mouth

[@brialapoint2608]

Christianity is digusting. It need to be outlawed

[@frenetic1057]

@@brialapoint2608 All religions imo

[@FactStorm]

@@brialapoint2608 F all religions..most religious people are too indoctrinated to function

[@rcbutera8071]

You can’t fix stupid, but the red hats sure help to identify it.

[@mikeyatkins8583]

Remember that you can't spell hatred without red hat let's go Bannon MAGA Morons Ain't Got Anything

[@SpinSpin2020]

Those red hats are the mark of the beast.

[@daveragt]

Ha! So right!

[@glp912]

the issue is when a christian is faced with an opposing social issue, the answer is always "God". no arguments. Just because some human-invented supernatural entity said so...

[@wargriffin5]

@10:55 "It never occurred to me that a church could be wrong." - Ok, this woman's problem is that she doesn't pay attention on Sunday. Show of hands: who's been to a sermon about how other churches have "lost their way?" 😂 P.S: Bonus points if you noticed the dress/tattoo standards are entry-level stuff.

[@toughbiblepassages9082]

How can anyone believe anything coming out of her mouth after that

[@greg5326]

She thought it was a good idea to do dark eye and lip makeup like a Wiccan wannabe for a national news show. Hmmmmm. Methinks she has other motivations.

[@porsche911sbs]

I was offended by her eyebrows

[@lisamariehorn]

lol hilarious that this is the person NBC found to be their voice of reason about the church

[@rafaelperez1676]

Biden is Catholic. Let the Catholic Church direct our nation. Hail the Pope! Really? Come on people wake up!

[@WellnessGardenToolShed]

This is more common than one would think.

[@JJ-qo7th]

"I don't see them representing the values that I find in the Bible. I see them representing patriarchy. I see them fighting a culture war." Uh. "Reverend." That's in your Bible, unless you physically removed those pages.

[@nicholase2868]

Yeah, people want the Bible to adapt with the times but that's not how books work. It further proves that God isn't all knowing if he didn't see the harm in mandating a patriarchy. And if he's not all knowing then maybe it's all a fairy tale.

[@thelmagreenwood856]

@@nicholase2868 The Problem isn't a Mythical Patriarchy, it's people acting badly no matter what government they are under.

[@yousefsalib7609]

@@nicholase2868 have you seen the crime rates for those raised in a single family household

[@Raydensheraj]

@@yousefsalib7609 Have you ever seen the crime rates in Christian Super majority countries with Atheist Supermajority countries....i wont even bring up the Islamic Theocracies since they still reside 1000 years in the past....

[@yousefsalib7609]

@@Raydensheraj yeah the Christian countries with both parents in the home are doing betrer

[@lanamuir9352]

Faith is not knowledge. Period.

[@GenerationX1984]

Most Christians don't even read the Bible. I became an atheist shortly after reading that violent bronze age mythology cover to cover. Actually reading the Bible will make most reasonable people leave the faith.

[@peanutbutter3543]

Just an average american here who appreciates our living Constitution and its promise of what we can become as a nation; that said, I do believe our wise forefathers who understood humanity and history could see the writing on the wall about religion and fanaticism and their correlation. They knew government regulated by law vrs emotional fanaticism is a much better way to prosper ,move forward and increase fairness for all. For a religion to claim any authority over us and pray tell WHICH religion, is not a forward thinking nation but a country driven to the dark ages. I was raised in a Christian home but throughout my years have been challenged by the absurdity of it all, for me. I live my life as a Physical Therapist who is passionate about helping others return to their best life however THEY CHOSE to live it. It is not for me to judge. Nobody has told me how to live my life and as a civilian and citizen ,I agree to live by the laws of my county, city, state and country. Live and let live. Religion is manmade and has too many varied interpretations inflexed w/ emotions that to me is not a sound agreement to live by, or UNDER(which is what they want) . Ignorant Bullies are screaming the loudest over us and they must be stopped. Vote, my friends.

[@geewhiz5926]

Vote red and praise Yeshua!

[@kakashi101able]

Look at the religious wars that was caused by religious division. The Thirty Years War for example wiped out 1/3 of Germany, or French Wars of Religion which claimed around 1/5 of French population.

[@tef_newalbionpacificmedia]

Well said!

[@pamgessler5923]

Our nation was founded by Christians and our leaders all declared this to be a Christian nation, paying homage and praying publicly always to the living God in Jesus's name. Please read up on history, not the modern propaganda we're being fed.

[@peanutbutter3543]

@@pamgessler5923 I suggest you look in the mirror because by your narrow minded comment, living in a bubble is a safe place. I am educated and well read and open to continue to learn and grow to explain my evolved mind. Change is good, not scary if the desired effect is to help mankind. Jesus is the only man worth following esp. his Sermon on the mount that Christian nationalists are Failing at religiously. But that said there are so many religions world wide that other people from varied walks of life bring to our nation that we as a civilized people should embrace and be civil to, not just Christians. To think otherwise is unneighborly and arrogant. The original founders wanted separation of church and state. Please read up on that.

[@jeffreyenglish1815]

OHHHH! we’re just NOW waking up to this? I have been watching my family for 40 years working towards this.

[@Klako-ls6yt]

Barry Goldwater (a Republican to boot) called it out in the 60s already. There's a famous quote of his where he warns of preachers taking over the Republican Party, and how they will refuse to compromise because they believe they are enforcing God's will.

[@kitsiewr]

Mine too - I always said if they got political control, we'd be stoning adulterers within 20 years. Looks like it will come a bit sooner....

[@justinkase1360]

Oh, but it's catching on outside of your family now, thank God.

[@oudguitar]

@@Klako-ls6yt do you see any other ideologies that might guide people away from compromising with an equal amount of pathological certainty, which are far more pervasive

[@hartkopz86]

@@oudguitar yeah MAGA, go cry in the corner ya traitor.

[@michaelmoran7312]

"....and women should not wear pants" As the camera pans to a bunch of women wearing pants.

[@NikkiSchumacherOfficial]

😂😂😂😂

[@MorpheusOne]

@Michael Moran: Was what you saw in that moment something from before or after they left this FAKE Christian church of blasphemy, which they go into some detail about in this video?

[@michaelmoran7312]

@@MorpheusOne What is your question?

[@MorpheusOne]

@Michael Moran: Was what you saw in that moment, those women wearing pants, something that happened before or after the couple, in this video, took their leave of this _`Temple of Doom`?_

[@Globeguy1337]

@@MorpheusOne 10:14 The footage was of a ‘psalm sing’ held by Wilson’s church - it was not of that couple before or after.

[@tomtemple69]

Y'all need to learn what Jefferson said about Church and State

[@jackieheaney8246]

"just like Roe used to be" !!! Wow.

[@Cinnamonbuns13]

Based

[@kitskivich]

Frightening. That hack wants theocratic rule.

[@victoraugustusonyango8463]

That line sounded so sinister....

[@WesTV]

If it was up to these people, they would wind it back to pre-civil and women's rights.

[@HOHLfmly]

What I hear in this Report is that Religion is Personal. In Government there is no room for Personal Belief’s and that is why they should never be mixed. In fact we should remove in God we Trust as it was added in the 1956 not 1787.

[@OhioCoastie94]

Yes, Terri, what we need are bureaucrats who have no beliefs at all and who unquestioningly carry out all government orders, never restraining themselves due to their own beliefs. Sounds fantastic. What could possibly go wrong?

[@rabbit251]

If you open government up to religion, then it has to be open to all religions. Do you want police who are Christians and then attack people for not being Christian? Or Detroit has a huge Muslim population. What if they create a police force that enforces Sharia laws? Jefferson, who was not a christian (almost all of the founding fathers believed in a god but not Jesus), got it right that the two should be separated. You are free to believe what you want, but you can't make the government to enforce those beliefs on others. This rule has worked well for 200 years.

[@justinkase1360]

@@rabbit251 Government is open to all religions. If Christians vote their conscious, that's fine. If they proselytize, that's fine. If their representatives do the will of their Christian constituents, within the confines of the constitution, then all is well and that's democracy at work.

[@abuzolfiqar2122]

@Neil Deep Organizations that were created explicitly to mock or criticize other religions and admit to not believing in any concept of divinity should not be allowed to operate under the guise of religion for legal purposes. The fact that you would revel in subversion like that is quite telling.

[@thelmagreenwood856]

@Neil Deep Not enough people ascribe to those beliefs.

[@patriciagootgeld9273]

Trump couldn't quote any, not one, of his most beloved verses from the Bible, for the media. Could he now? I've met a lot of people who got religion while in jail. They were the biggest hypocrites. So for The Orange Yam, maybe he'll be able to pull one out for the microphones after a few years in the pen. As for all the printed bullcrap from this pastor and his minions--I grieve for all the trees that had to die for nothing.

[@mrsimpleesarcastik3494]

are you without sin or any faults??? you need to look at your inner self , while you still have some time to do so.We all get judged, please be on the right side

[@jamie7664]

The MAGA clowns would refute that with “well god chose him for a reason and is working through him. It’s His plan.” 🤡🤡🤡

[@jamie7664]

@@mrsimpleesarcastik3494 Just stop. Nobody asked for your concern. YOU are the problem.

[@patriciagootgeld9273]

@@mrsimpleesarcastik3494 what a perfect thing to call yourself-- sarcastic. Might I suggest an upgrade to MR pharisaic?

[@patriciagootgeld9273]

@@mrsimpleesarcastik3494 I think I am on the right side. I'm a progressive liberal tree-hugger.

[@katc9061]

A Christian voting for Trump is like a chicken voting for Col. Saunders.

[@hismajesty6272]

* Harris

[@hollyramseyer7629]

If they try to make this a Christian nation and don’t want to keep church and state separate, there will be a LOT of angry people protesting. We have freedom of religion in the constitution.

[@ph11p3540]

You mean like most bible belt states? The church runs the government. Just look at Alabama, Texas and Florida.

[@kaylun757]

No tax breaks for hate groups!

[@dannmarceau]

If MTG represents Christianity, thank you, but I've had my fill.

[@louise-yo7kz]

💯🎯

[@catchy_tune]

What's MTG?

[@Isa-io1eo]

@@catchy_tune Margarine Traitor Greed= demon

[@keithwoods7735]

@@catchy_tune A horse-faced mutant that produces an irritable noise that sounds like far-right terrorist talking points when someone triggers her.

[@keithwoods7735]

@Larry S 😂

[@joyfulnoise349]

Separation of church and state….needs to be reinforced!

[@lucafrattini2484]

"And thus I cloathe my naked villainy with old odd ends stolen out of holy writ and seem a saint, when most I play the devil." William Shakespeare 🤔🤔🤔

[@selohcin]

That's a great quote for a completely different situation, but it has no bearing on this one.

[@Gabriele-wolfsong]

I think it's a perfect fit for the Christkirk leader ;)

[@miskatonic_alumni]

@@selohcin It absolutely applies to this situation. Christian nationalists are un-American cultists that want to use Christianity as a cloak for their anti-democratic agenda. Interestingly, the Nazis also used Christian rhetoric to weaponize the bigotry of German conservatives. And we know how that ended.

[@jwsanders1214]

Yes Shakespeare borrowed inspiration from the Bible, alot

[@stevepierce6467]

@@selohcin Like any quote from the bible (like how to treat slaves and how and when to smite your enemies) has any bearing on our situation today.

[@emmaspacelee]

Except the separation of church & state is in the constitution.

[@asdflk3298]

If Christians vote to make slavery illegal, is that considered an overreach of their religion? Everyone is voting what they think is best for society.

[@alexkane84]

It just means the state can't force people to adopt a particular religion , it doesn't prohibit voting for beliefs, after all the ten commandments form the basis of all western civilizations laws

[@oldmovieman7550]

where?

[@patrickburke6789]

@@alexkane84 Myth.... and since you believe that, you've clearly never read any version of the Ten Commandments nor have you ever studied any form of Western law.

[@emmaspacelee]

@@oldmovieman7550 the establishments clause

[@sloperdad4835]

Morality such as truth, honesty, and kindness does not require religion.

[@Raineygoodyears]

sloper dad- What is Truth??

[@joeking433]

But that won't get you to heaven. The way to heaven is to admit that you have been dishonest, untruthful, and unkind and need a savior.

[@that_heretic]

A case can rather easily be made that religion, in fact, hinders these virtues. See, oh IDK, the crusades. Or the rhetoric around defending slavery in the south circa 1862?

[@epileptictrees5213]

@@joeking433 heaven isn't real

[@joeking433]

@@that_heretic Man killing man is innate, it's been done since the beginning of mankind and will always be with us. The Crusades and Inquisition was during a time when the Church was in bed with the State and that secular power corrupted the Church. People have misused the Bible for their own agenda since the Church came into existence as with the defense of slavery in America and it will always go on. That has no bearing on Christ or His teachings.

[@harryknickerbocker9889]

These fanatics won't be happy until everyone conforms to their belief system. What they want is Christian fascism.

[@kymbartley8104]

Dear MSNBC, Please do a show on the American Redoubt. That's also a terrifying group in the US.

[@yumeriagirl1231]

100% terrifying AF I truly want them exposed, I second your thought 🤔 Expose all the fascists!! #Prodemocracy #humamrightsforallhumans

[@BlackFlagHeathen]

They should also cover the Council For National Policy. Basically the Christian nationalist Bilderberg Group. Pretty much all Christian nationalists and Christian nationalist groups in the US are tied back to them; pretty much every prominent Christian nationalist you can think of is affiliated with them, as well as media and fossil fuel moguls, anti-abortion groups, the NRA, and other influential members of the right wing community. They hold a secret meeting either every year or twice a year(don’t remember which) that you have to be invited to and that no recording or note keeping of any kind is allowed at, and the members aren’t even supposed to refer to the group by name. They’re essentially the Christian Illuminati and they need to be exposed.

[@ladymondegreen]

The US was a place of refuge for those fleeing religious persecution; they wanted the freedom of self-governance, and to practice their own religion. Later, the FFs wrote religious liberty (freedom of and from) into the constitution. Regardless of their political beliefs, they made it separate from the government which is how it should be. If you want to live under theocratic rule, check out Iran or Saudi Arabia.

[@OhioCoastie94]

The Founders and Framers enshrined individual freedom to exercise religion, but not separation of the government from God. Read a history book.

[@ladymondegreen]

@@OhioCoastie94 God as an entity is different from God as an interpretative element in any variant of organized religion. If your argument is that the Christian God is the one and only and it’s written into the US government’s constitution (it isn’t, but OK) that impinges on others’ so-called freedom of religion. The concept of God is different and means many different things - it could be a benevolent energy, the patterns of nature, a vengeful judgmental being filled with wrath, a light, nothingness, or anything in between. Not everyone believes in God, and if they do, they don’t define God the same way. The GOP wants to define God as “the almighty father of the white Christian Jesus” and force everyone in the US to conform to that belief. That’s not going to happen, which is why we have the separation of church and state (which I’ve explained, church is different from God - we’re talking about separating organized religion from government). Oh yeah, that was exactly the point I made in my original comment. 🙄

[@francismarion6400]

True as far as Religion goes. God is truth, not a Religion.

[@mosesking2923]

@@ladymondegreen the first amendment is simply a manmade law. There is nothing divine or sacred about it LOL. The reality is that theocracy is both good and necessary for a stable society. We have to believe the same thing to be a cohesive society. What has the left given us? Transgenderism and sodomy? Castrating kids for gender changes? Time to get back to normal.

[@Davidlee37101]

How do you prevent voters from bringing their beliefs into the voting booth?

[@abrahamroloff8671]

You can't and shouldn't, only a few extremists would say otherwise.

[@debravanausdale1063]

As long as they do not proselytize in the voting booth, that's fine: it is a private space.

[@adamfrost3139]

Its not about that, its about zealots creating legislation on the basis of their personal theocratic beliefs and imposing them on the general public.

[@andrewgeissinger5242]

You can't. It's not possible. And it would be impossible for the state to regulate that anyway.

[@James-ny2xl]

Everyone votes based on their beliefs. If you're pro-choice, that's based on your beliefs; if you're pro-life, that's based on your beliefs. Everyone believes the candidate they vote for is the better candidate, and that's based on beliefs of what is good. Remove beliefs and you just have robots voting.

[@Projectcloning21098]

But you can’t have a logical argument with people who’s entire basis of their argument is something that can not be proven.

[@xanderwildeisen9420]

I was born and raised in Idaho. That state targets people and businesses.

[@Phoenix-J81]

As a fellow Idahoan, I can confirm this.

[@jefferymartin6242]

the problem with the various so-called christian individuals and organizations is they “ believe “ , unfortunately their belief prohibits them from knowing, and knowing originates from “wisdom “ and leads to greater wisdom.

[@hadara69]

They make no distinctions between those 2 very distinct concepts.

[@FactStorm]

People of faith are called believers for a reason. Religious faith is defined as belief in something without evidence. They are delusional

[@hadara69]

@@FactStorm This is obvious to us non-religious, but to them it’s reality itself (evidence) that “deceives” as some sort of “Test of faith” from "The Devil" or whatever. This is at the heart of most of this mess in America. TOO many RW Christian fundie nutjobs have been raised to reject science (in favor of Creationist crap), which primed them for this level of insane Christo-Fascism. Knowing and learning stuff, as the OP suggests, can’t happen when you don’t even respect the teachers, professors, and other professionals trying to TEACH you said stuff. ESPECIALLY if you believe it’s “against GAWD”. I wish the media would stop walking on egg shells and be honest about this sick phenomenon.

[@DwayneShaw1]

When the delegates met for the Constitutional Convention, Ben Franklin (a Deist) magnanimously, or being deviously clever in getting something on the record, suggested they open the proceedings with a prayer. The motion was shot down almost unanimously - with only 3 or 4 delegates in favor (out of 55 - 5% to 7% of the delegates had any interest in prayer) "the government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion" - Treaty of Tripoli 1796 "Strongly guarded as is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastic Bodies may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in its short history" - James Madison (Father of the Constitution) “The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” James Madison "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise" ... “What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people.” - James Madison "... the common law existed while the Anglo-Saxons were yet pagans, at a time when they had never yet heard the name of Christ pronounced or knew that such a character existed." ... “Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.” - Thomas Jefferson “History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.” - Thomas Jefferson “We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication .” - Thomas Jefferson "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.” - Thomas Jefferson “The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” - Thomas Jefferson “It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet the one is not three, and the three are not one.” - Thomas Jefferson - - - >> “The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.” - John Adams

[@ragauerk9310]

Thank you for noting truth to convenient self serving bs and distortion.

[@whatabouttheearth]

The Establishment Clause is literally the first part of the first amendment. It's pretty clear that they don't want religion to influence government. Dominionism is just theocratic authoritarianism plain and simple, it's anti American.

[@jerrybean3280]

Thank you for bringing the actual words of the founding fathers to this discussion.

[@erickoppa7614]

Facts and history matter when it comes to the founding of our great republic. Thank you for sharing these important perspectives from our founding fathers.

[@DwayneShaw1]

@@erickoppa7614 - I can quote the Bible too - Romans 13:1-2 "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

[@thedeal9526]

Rod Serling called it a long time ago.

[@SpinSpin2020]

and now here we are in the Twilight Zone.

[@adrianaventi9648]

The monsters are due on maple street

[@jackrosario9990]

This country is heading towards a certain nation in Europe in the 1930's!

[@sonofsanto]

i wish

[@ChibiSothe]

The Wandenreich says hi!

[@diannadima7082]

religion has no place in Government. I lived in Idaho for a short time. While there we were subjected to all kinds of discrimination because I was of questionable race. The Arians Nation tried to ruin our business. Not a good place to be if you want FREEDOM.

[@OhioCoastie94]

You should definitely try an avowedly atheistic government, then. It will probably be much more to your liking. Try N. Korea, Cuba, China, Venezuela ...

[@bradwhitt6768]

Pagan atheists have no place in government either.

[@unicorn-glasses]

@@OhioCoastie94 you realize that there's a happy median, right? Nordic countries like Finland and Denmark don't prohibit the exercise of religion but have fully secular governments and a majority of the population is atheist/non-religious. There are some citizens who are Christians who are free to practice their religion as long as they do not push it on others. They are the happiest countries on earth.

[@mikearchibald744]

@@OhioCoastie94 In China and Venezuela they'd be quite welcome.

[@PGVEL]

@@OhioCoastie94 atheism and communism are two different things. You are conflating really hard. Try better next time.

[@nomennescio1196]

Christian nationalism is an oxymoron.

[@ChairPacer]

So we’re supposed to hand our government over to a cult that believes in an invisible man? 😂

[@timhawley3721]

Yes.

[@HOHLfmly]

Exactly, that is why you take the Oath of when you become a government employee, your beliefs should never influence your government work ever!

[@OhioCoastie94]

Think about what you just typed, Terri. By your bizarre logic, a government employee who believes it's wrong to dismember teenagers would be duty bound to obey a higher ranking government official who orders him to grab a chainsaw and start carving up the sophomores visiting the Smithsonian.

[@scottyyoch3537]

You already have! Have you seen Biden?

[@joeking433]

Yeah, how can someone that thinks God is invisible be a Christian and why would we Christians want him in our crowd???