Christian Presuppositionalist (Faceofyah) Pretends To Know Things With Mr. Anderson

[@Mr.AndersonCrosses]

That was a good one.

[@mtchl4563]

You’re great at dealing with these guys

[@gryph01]

Excellent argument Mr. Anderson!

[@shassett79]

What is the ultimate, transcendent grounding of your capacity to deal with bad-faith interlocutors?

[@BertRussell4711]

TBH, I was previously on the fence about you, but your performance here made me a believer. Well done, sir.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Yes, this was a fun video!

[@BrickGriff]

So how do you justify your experience of revelation? "That's the best part! You don't!"

[@shassett79]

Presuppositionalism in a nutshell: - ask a metaphysical question - ignore requests for your position on the matter - declare victory

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Basically.

[@dutchchatham1]

​@@shassett79presuppositionalism: since I'm right, you can't be.

[@garrgravarr]

It's so childish and cowardly to retreat to solipsism whenever you're challenged on the mechanics of anything. Honestly how do they look at themselves in the mirror with anything but shame after deploying that shit? It speaks to weak character.

[@JerryPenna]

Yeah, it’s a playground level of argumentation.

[@MrMZaccone]

Who is retreating to solipsism?

[@garrgravarr]

@@MrMZaccone FaceofYah

[@MrMZaccone]

@@garrgravarr How can a presuppositionalist be a solipsist?

[@13shadowwolf]

​@@MrMZaccone because deep down he doesn't actually Believe, he covers up his Solipsism by continuously claiming to Believe in a "god" so he doesn't have to deal with his Solipsistic Beliefs.

[@KirinDave]

"Cheeseburgers don't involve electronics" is such an amazing node to arrive at in the presup dialogue tree. Its like Mr. Anderson broke the LLM but the system is still running and now its spitting out bizarre geometric fever dreams in english.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL

[@TH3-MONK]

*_"What's the ground of all being?"_* Translation: Can you tell me the secrets of the universe?

[@garrgravarr]

I know the secrets of the universe because of my infallibly-transmitting god antenna...

[@TH3-MONK]

@@garrgravarr Infallibly-transmitting antenna, or infallibly-recieving antenna?

[@garrgravarr]

@@TH3-MONK Well that's exactly my problem isn't it 😉

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Yes I can!

[@wocxdid8068]

The ground of all being is reality. I don't understand why they make it such a big deal.

[@sarsfield1]

Here, Mr Anderson magnificently destroys all possibility of ever debating an already knees-quaking Darth Dawkins.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL

[@chrismurray790]

Kudos to Mr. Anderson for keeping the conversation on track!

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Yes! Mr. Anderson drove him straight down the line.

[@john3paul]

Dude faceofyah is insufferable. instead of making clear claims or making clear statements, he dances around issues and is in no wise making a clear argument for his beliefs in his all powerful god Yahweh, whose existence he can't prove let alone argue for. Yah seems to be an acolyte of Dunkin Atheists, whose argument schema he appears to be mimicking or whose script he appears to be following. Thanks, Mr Anderson, for staying calm in the face of Yah's garbage.

[@shassett79]

So he's a presuppositionalist?

[@demontooth0428]

@@shassett79the “how do you know that” wasn’t the first clue?

[@MrMZaccone]

All presuppositionalists do that to avoid exposing the fact that they have no credible argument to support their assertions.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

He did quite well.

[@KEvronista]

proofs are for math and philosophy. science does not attempt to prove. its function is to provide the best explanations for the phenomena we observe. to demand that it prove is irrational. it can't prove, but it can demonstrate. KEvron

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Great point!

[@eatsbugs4577]

- gets called a solipsist - doesn't get it - makes his opponent give in a little - indicts his opponent as a solipsist

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Right!

[@wilberforce1826]

Faceofyah Demonstrates the ENTIRE point of presup. It's an eternal "how do you know that?" Kind of like when a 2-year-old keeps asking "Why?" Because at some point, you have to either lie or say "I don't know." And they know that. Which is why they either try to catch a lie or say "Your worldview is based on 'I don't know' so your worldview is all bunk." Based on literally nothing whatsoever. Presup in a nutshell is "You're honest enough to acknowledge the limits of your knowledge, and I'm dishonest enough to say I have none, therefore god." That's all it has ever been, and it can't be otherwise.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Just revert to brain in a vat.

[@erik.a.s]

Why do these solipsists even bother talking about the magic man in the sky?

[@MrMZaccone]

Solipsism is a positive assertion. That's not what you have here. Learn the difference.

[@shassett79]

​@@MrMZacconeIf a presuppositionalist claims a position that is contingent on a rejection of sollipsism (e.g. a revelation of their god that is certainly true) they need to be able to dismiss sollipsism in compelling terms. I find that they can't.

[@nevitt2236]

​@@shassett79 when you say they need to dismiss solipsism, do you mean make the assumption we are not brains in jars or do they need to do something other than that?

[@MrMZaccone]

@@shassett79 I agree, but not being able to credibly rebut solipsism isn't accepting it either. I don't think anyone has a credible rebuttal of solipsism other than it simply being unfalsifiable.

[@shassett79]

@@nevitt2236 They need to make the assumption that we aren't brains in jars, just like everyone else, and in so doing, they grant everyone else equal access to knowledge by way of sense data and surrender the main thrust of their argument (i.e. that non-presuppositionalists must "account" for the things presuppositionalists baselessly grant themselves).

[@MrJustSomeGuy87]

Could you imagine schizophrenically spouting “prove it” “you’re done” in a silly voice, while purporting to have a philosophical discussion. Face has inflicted a verbal tick on himself.

[@TH3-MONK]

It's a soundboard.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

That is really faceofyah saying that.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL right

[@Uryvichk]

The funniest part about the whole argument of a Sensus Divinitatus is the move a Christian will pull on you if you accept it. "Okay, I accept that I have a god-sense that allows me to infallibly know whether God wants something. I have heard nothing from God through my god-sense, therefore I presume God does not want anything from me in particular." "Oh well that's wrong, God actually wants you to do lots of things." "What? But you said my god-sense should give me access to an infallible source of information. How can it fail to provide me that information?" "Because it's damaged by sin, so it doesn't always work correctly."

[@realBreakfasttacos]

That is pretty funny.

[@callmeflexplays]

Faceofyah reminds me of John Lee. He answers questions honestly because he thinks he's bulletproof and can spot traps and such, and he just inevitably steps on a rake he put there with his earlier answers and flies off the handle to compensate🤣

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL The English John Lee

[@alexritchie4586]

But that's the best part! I am a brain in a vat! Granted that vat is made out of bone, cartilage, and various biological goos, but still a vat! Now what?

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Yes!

[@realdjungleskog]

More like (Bad)Faith of Yah. What a piece of garbage. Anderson crushed him like a soda can. But what a painful trip it was.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL! Yeah Anderson annihilated him.

[@deedrabbit]

Face of ya just seems to be a complete troll.

[@garrgravarr]

He started out quite cordial but as soon as he retreated to solipsism I knew it was over.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

I have no idea what is going on there.

[@asadr9794]

Well that's frustrating

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Isn't it always?

[@FeliciaByNature]

Meh, FoY just pulls his usual "howdoyouknowthathowdoyouknowthathowdoyouknowthathowdoyouknowthat" for an hour, falls back to the problem of hard solipsism to try and redirect the conversation to his script, then cries for another hour when he can't have his way like darth dawkins can in his room.

[@13shadowwolf]

​@@johnharrison6745so, what you have is empty assertions that your particular interpretation of ancient mythology is somehow "valid" as an argument? Excellent demonstration of Ignorant Arrogance. You don't know anything of value, yet you are sure of your unsupported opinion.

[@FeliciaByNature]

​@@johnharrison6745 why would you do anything else with FoY? He's a shit tier Gary Milne.

[@SaxyCalzone]

​@@johnharrison6745cope

[@SaxyCalzone]

​@@FeliciaByNatureI thought that Gary Milne was a shit tier Gary Milne

[@FeliciaByNature]

@@SaxyCalzone As taco would say "YOU ARE CORRECT!"

[@GrimHC]

if anyone needs confirmation that Face doesn't take any of this seriously and is just out to make fun of people and be a troll 4:19 also face getting upset is hilarious 50:16

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Face is always fun to see get upset!

[@gryph01]

So, I assume that there are assumptions. So, the experiment is flawed.... said some theist presupper somewhere

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL

[@RightPlight]

i want to join

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Discord.gg/politics

[@benlinus1310]

All tacos are made from preexisting stuff.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

True facts.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Correct!

[@glowing571]

FaceOfYah is a troll who has been repeating the same debunked arguments over and over for years. It's just the same tired claim that everyone else is arguing from a position of solipsism while he is not because of his god claim. It's idiotic.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

I'm not sure it's a troll lol.

[@glowing571]

@@realBreakfasttacos I mean a troll in the sense that he keeps using the same argument even though it's been explained to him why it fails and he acts like it hasn't. He just comes back and repeats the same thing as if you have not spoken before. He didn't even get that far in this clip but I have argued with the guy on discord and heard him argue with other people and he basically just says everyone else's beliefs/views are defeated by solipsism but revelation is an exception. When you explain that under the solipsism world view by definition nothing can be known for sure to be real outside of your own mind including the revelation he believes in, he just says he knows its real because revelation is from his god. When you explain the god he believes in is also outside his mind, so therefore he can't know it's real for sure for the same definitional reason he just goes back to saying he knows god from revelation. It's pathetic. He thinks not subjecting himself to the standard definition of solipsism, while imposing the standard definition on everyone else is somehow a coherent argument. In some sense he is actually worse than Darth Dawkins. He's been doing this for at least 6 years now. Same dumb argument, repeated ad nauseam.

[@tysongalloway5700]

Egg on your Face of Yah

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL

[@jacetheshepard1917]

Ah, the remnants of the new Atheism movement, Afew years ago I would have taken this stuff seriously, but in todays time you're the joke. God loves yall, have a blessed day. ❤

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Why would you even say that when you know no gods exists?

[@jacetheshepard1917]

@@realBreakfasttacos I love it when somebody tells me what I believe XD

[@Jo-JoandTaffy]

​@@jacetheshepard1917I mean, it has been revealed to all of sound mind that no gods exist and we assume that you are of sound mind.

[@jacetheshepard1917]

@Jo-JoandTaffy yea well I don't care what your God of nothing reveals, for I have a God of something.