Christian vs Former Christian Women | The Bridge

[@DaSmoov54]

Props to the Christian women who represented Christ beautifully.

[@CiaraCeleste-ThatGirl]

Agreed

[@pro-muffins2721]

🎉they did an outstanding job.

[@Dr.Beetlejuice110]

They interrupted the speakers multiple times and really didn't listen.

[@emiie.effect]

@@DaSmoov54 props to everyone who had the courage to express their point of view

[@Trilltracks1]

One side seems angry and the other side seems at peace. The most high gives his people peace.

[@tatosmc]

Ever heard of ignorance is bliss?

[@1004jvnior]

This is such a disgusting thing to say

[@KamBB-gu3pv]

Gives people logical fallacies

[@Trilltracks1]

@@tatosmc the right thing to do when you call people ignorant is to explain how so … but im sure you’re just here because believers trigger you.

[@tatosmc]

@@Trilltracks1 lmao maybe as much as u were when u decided to make this comment. but just to inform u, when ur ignorant about something it can bring a false sense of peace of mind, unlike if u knew the reality u wouldnt be so peaceful. now that has to do with ur comment because u and the Christians are in that ignorant bliss. was that clear enough for u?

[@markHamilton-x2v]

"A pot could be used as a weapon, that doesnt mean you shouldn't cook with it. Powerful!

[@baonemogomotsi7138]

Yeah, comparing a whole religion with a history of bloodshed to pots is ludicrous 😂

[@beingroxy]

@@baonemogomotsi7138 still truth.

[@ChrisGoldie]

Just because anything can be a weapon. Doesnt mean what u believe in hasnt been weaponized while you believe

[@Dr.Beetlejuice110]

​@@beingroxy no it isn't. Any tool that causes pain is immediately in our society put on checks and balances. A gun for example is constantly under scrutiny about how it can be gotten and who can have it. I think religion needs to be the same.

[@username97112]

@@baonemogomotsi7138 People misusing the truth doesn’t change or lessen the truth.

[@usvi7684]

-Had no servants, yet they called him Master. -Had no degree, yet they called him Teacher. -Had no medicines, yet they called him Healer. -He had no army, yet kings feared Him. -He won no Wars, yet He conquered the world. -He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. -He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today. Jesus Christ 🙏🏽

[@starlaks588]

Amen!

[@divinedevon9213]

JESUS WAS A SLAVESHIP. KING JAMES DIDNT ADD TO BIBLE UNTIL AFTER IT WAS A SLAVESHIP😊

[@oleeshanorris5343]

His glory is amazing how lucky we are. Praise be to God.

[@beingroxy]

@@usvi7684 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@pro-muffins2721]

❤yes Lord Jesus Christ is The King

[@GoneVoices]

When you look at the mannerisms of both groups it makes me proud to be a believer of Christ . Even when the believers heard what the other group said they were patient and attentive. The spirit of the Lord is real and I pray they one day have encounter with him

[@ArtKrishnamurti]

Exactly! Everybody lives by their beliefs, and bears the fruits of those beliefs. Even the atheist.

[@Laurielavendar]

A group of 3-4 people is not representative of an entire demographic.

[@calmnrelaxed]

Cap...no such thing as a former Christian. Former atheists, for sure, but no former Christians

[@Moon-Marie]

​@@calmnrelaxedthat's an ignorant statement. And false to boot.

[@emmanuelginikanwa283]

​@@calmnrelaxed Word!! Its like when you go black, there's no going back 😊

[@Jessthebes]

@11:27 - It stood out to me that this woman was very focused on the idea of having a discussion with the goal of changing people’s minds. When I engage in any conversations about my faith (Christianity) my goal is never to convert the person or change their convictions. That’s the Holy Spirit’s job. My only goal is to speak the biblical truth and try to gain a better understanding of their point of view.

[@musicgal9830]

As a Christian I agree. Respect the other persons’ decisions and dignity in choice regardless if you disagree or not and the Holy Spirit will bring them to Him through our character

[@queenandcrown]

That's very rare for a Christian...many believe that they are called to convert and save souls

[@jadorejoiexo]

⁠@@queenandcrownwe are actually called to do this, but we are required to do this with wisdom, gentleness and love - Which will capture the approach explained by the original commenter. I can definitely appreciate that some Christians in their sincere (or insincere) effort to fulfil the great commission (to go out and make disciples) have not employed wisdom or love in so doing and rather push people away, but in essence both are true: Christians are commanded to go into the world, share the gospel, make disciples, make known the love of God but we are also told to be wise as serpents, gentle as doves and to do all things with Godly love. We also have to understand the constraints of our assignment - which is to share the good news of the gospel, not force it or try and actively change someone’s mind because this we do not have the power intrinsically to do - this is the work of the Holy Spirit. Love and blessing to you

[@alicethemadrabbit1842]

I'm an atheist an I agree 100%. I used to be in that place, but I've grown up. It's exhausting to care about other's beliefs and it doesn't change anything. As long as they're good people we can be friends and have a mature discussion. If we can't have a mature discussion or if someone's trying to convert me, I respect myself enough to not talk to that person again. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@bekxh]

​@queenandcrown In a sense we are but it's how we do it that people get conflicted on. Matthew 28:19 reads, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations...". When you share your beliefs with someone it's not you forcing them to choose the same thing. It's simply providing another perspective. There's no problem with that

[@tiffanyandjosiahperry5210]

All the ladies reflected GOD beautifully....I am proud to be counted amongest the daughters of GOD!

[@divinedevon9213]

Who said we are not daughters of god because we don’t believe in King James Bible ? Bffr

[@VeeesFlaws]

I think people attach their experience with the church to their relationship to God and Christ and as an adult you need to seek God on your own

[@drdomspeaks]

Those who considered themselves former Christians i realize most of their decisions were based on what people did or were doing vs God in their life. This always makes me sad because the Lord is such a good Father and we limit him based on our interactions with people 😢. Praying for all these ladies. Enjoyed this conversation.

[@TheLoveBugz]

A lot of people are seeing “Christians” for what they are

[@divinedevon9213]

No it was based on researching every religion . Stop assuming .

[@Hgdfttjhd]

You can't prouve that "god" exist. What's the difference between you and someone who believe his imaginary friend do exist

[@Kentarius]

​@@TheLoveBugzimagine judging a whole group of people 🤡🤡🤡

[@AbstractVision87]

@@drdomspeaks oh wee bars!

[@sylviaatieno4239]

I like how peaceful my sisters in Christ are so much peace in the Lord. We’ll represented ❤

[@missionwealth2]

Amen

[@Laurielavendar]

Many non believers have found peace in different ways of life as well, broaden your view ❤

[@boochi7087]

More like passive-aggressive and disingenuous, but you wouldn't know seeing as you're a fellow sister in christ. Y'all really love to be on the proverbial high horse like being a Christian makes you better - it doesn't.

[@themalawiandiner180]

4:52 Muslims go to the mosque every friday, so her argument doesn't make sense.

[@afroaffirmation]

That was the first thing i thought... like.. errr no... if you have ever been in a muslim country you will see the world stop multiplet times per day for muslims to go pray.

[@DiannaShcole]

Shes still studying as an outsider. Shell get there eventually if thats where God takes her. Women aren't required to go but its extra blessings.

[@queenandcrown]

She said they pray without having to go to a house of worship...

[@themalawiandiner180]

@@queenandcrown Christians do that too, they pray at home too, at gatherings, prayer groups, online prayer groups.

[@ArtKrishnamurti]

And honestly Muslims are FAR more religious than Christians... she really was just making things up out of hatred.

[@KamiaMcWilliams]

Both sides had great points and understandable perspectives-of course, there are a few women who are speaking not from knowledge but from hurt, pain and trauma but it’s beautiful to see how God is/will use this conversation to lead all of us to Seek His Kingdom first, Believe in our hearts and to accept His Son ❤️

[@divinedevon9213]

We literally spoke from knowledge from research we did foh

[@ArtKrishnamurti]

​@@divinedevon9213 why don't you name your sources so we all can "research" too?

[@RRlove1]

I've noticed something interesting: whenever I watch a podcast debating the Bible and God, the Christians remain calm in spirit and voice, while the unbelievers often appear upset and disturbed. Has anyone else noticed that?

[@sleepy-peepy]

Blind faith that all the answers are in God's hands is relaxing,. Understanding the world to be chaotic, contradictory, and unfair is upsettling.

[@LexiM7]

We Believers have that peace that surpasses ALL understanding, even in this dark and evil world. ❤️

[@outheretrucking]

That because they are brainwashed

[@candace2037]

@@RRlove1 for awhile after I became agnostic i was angry whenever I talked about religion and my disbelief because I was angry that I believed a lie and other people were believing it too so I get why they are upset luckily I found peace later on knowing that everyone can have their own beliefs and its not a problem since people cant choose to believe anything

[@candace2037]

@@RRlove1 i felt betrayed and manipulated and brainwashed by society and because of that i was so upset

[@masuka1851]

All in all, i feel like it's very important that we read the word of God ourselves and get to know him and have a relationship with him to be able to shape our real perspective of who he really is other than relying on what others have to say about God.

[@daniellenicole6989]

To be so defensive in your stance just having a conversation tells me all I need to know.

[@SoldbyDominique]

Exactly! The lady couldn't name one contradiction, just blamed it on menopause. SMH.

[@socorromartinez3245]

Agree. And if u notice she pretty much kept silent after that@@SoldbyDominique

[@beingroxy]

She thinks Christianity limits you but it actually truly frees you!

[@Dr.Beetlejuice110]

It limits you...if it frees you then why when it comes to your desires you have to check with God? That's the very definition of limitation.

[@beingroxy]

​@@Dr.Beetlejuice110 Are all desires good? So if every desire isn't good would it then be called a limitation? By checking it with God first? He knows human hearts and it is bent towards evil (Jer. 17:9)...there are desires we may have that are utterly harmful. Denying yourself is an true act of freedom. Jesus denied himself at the cross so that we may be made whole. I pray you come to understand this one day. 🙏🏽

[@beingroxy]

Boundaries are good. I'm sure we have desires to run the red light right? But we don't. Why? It may lead to our death or terrible accident that may harm others and ourselves. So is this then a bad limitation? Should we have stop lights or stop signs?

[@naynay9419]

Exactly!!!

[@Himmiefan]

The people of the church and how they misinterpret and twist scripture limit people, but Christ himself is freeing.

[@Miss_Dani_DWhit]

The spirit of offense was alive and irritated from some of the former Christians, during this discussion. I also heard them say they were raised in the church. Being raised in a faith doesn't mean you've surrendered or given your life to Christ, and have a personal relationship with Him and opened your heart with trust. I pray the Lord draws them near and the Holy Spirit reveals the truth to them during their search for "spirituality." The enemy is crafty in twisting truth, and I believe the hirt/pain they've some of the ladies experienced have hardened their hearts. I hope they find the Lord in the midst of their quest for freedom.

[@Himmiefan]

The spirit of offense was with them because of hurt.

[@vendradi]

I believe what they described in their experience with church and so-called religion is akin to cultural Christianity. They should have been labeled as ex-churchgoers. What they are is children of disobedience. Pray the Lord removes the scales from their eyes and replaces their hearts of stone with a heart of flesh.

[@ClarityPodcast.]

@@Himmiefaneveryone is hurt though

[@goldengirl7625]

From what I’ve witnessed several time, almost all former Christians have the same “testimony” and when you hear them it all makes sense as to why they left--they never knew God. They all grew up in the church, they all went to Sunday school, all of their parents forced them to go to church, they all had bad experiences with people within those circles, etc. You never hear them talking about how a relationship with The Lord was cultivated in their personal time. I can empathize only because I went through the same thing and lost my faith for years because of it. I do believe The American church especially is partially to blame because there are many churches that are in error of teaching various false, half-truths Gospel. True discipleship is also absent in many churches, so many people literally don’t understand who God truly is and what it means to know Him outside of 2hrs in a church building per week and spending 3 minutes a day to pray for the money, car, love, house, etc that they want.

[@divinedevon9213]

Wrong I was at peace . Only the one chic looked angry lol

[@aprilstone31]

18:49 The Bible tells us to be transformed by the renewal of our minds. The mind of Christ. I appreciate this conversation because it’s needed in our community. The sisters of Faith defended the faith with gentleness and meekness. Hopefully something they said will resonate.

[@Keonahawk24]

You can clearly see the difference between the women of God and the women of the world in this episode. God bless them

[@rasone9172]

All that glitters isn’t Gold…

[@soulfulfilled4382]

@@rasone9172thank you! The “women of the world” are saying it like it is. As you said all that glitters isn’t gold. 🙌🏾

[@yeverett4533]

All women are women of the world because it's the World that we all live in. Christians claimers don't follow the bible because if they did they would not judge others, which is what you are doing, Ms. So-called-Christian. I am willing to bet that you sin everyday and are probably sinning as I type this comment.

[@tankisothafeni4428]

😅😂😅😂😅😂

[@kaoshi_kutie]

@@soulfulfilled4382they also seem broken and bitter. I completely get church hurt , but people are flawed and just because someone misrepresented Jesus, does not mean the faith is wrong. It’s relationship and not religion ❤

[@Mr.conserv]

They seem more effected by the actions of church attenders than the actually Bible/Christianity

[@MsE711]

Exactly 💯 correct. People have to separate the people from the faith.

[@CambieSweets]

@@MsE711Nah, that’s like saying R Kelly should be separate from the art 🤦‍♀️

[@93Nagchampa]

They're more affected by the actions of CHRISTIANS. They are a representation of both the spirit of the text and the way of existing prescribed within it. If they aren't abiding by the moral tenants and examples within the aforementioned, or their actions are diametrically opposed to such, then are they even Christian?

[@sparklesims6828]

Tell me you cherry pick the Bible without telling me you Cherry pick the Bible

[@JennHayden]

@@CambieSweetsI am enjoying your commentary and the commentary from others. It is good to hear a variety of dialogue.

[@FormerHeathen]

Shout to our sisters in Christ who stood on our father’s business , who spoke eloquently and with a calmness . The other side didn’t have ! Yall did amazing and shout out toJOHANA FOR REBUKING that “ we’re all God nonsense “ IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS . So proud ❤️🙏🏾🗣️✝️

[@divinedevon9213]

Jesus was slave ship clown

[@GetCareydAway_]

I’ve been on both sides. I’m thankful I found the real truth and to believe God will reveal all truth to these women.

[@WilliamsPinch]

God will call his people back home in due time. God bless all of the ladies who were brave enough to share about their faith or lack thereof.

[@divinedevon9213]

WHO SAID WE DONT HAVE FAITH FOR NOT BEING RELIGIOUS HYPOCRITE?

[@txLALA]

I was prepared to be offended because it’s always open season on Christians, but I am glad I stayed to listen. My heart hurts for those who’ve been broken by bad experiences. I cannot imagine the turmoil of feeling so far from God. I pray they find their way through this darkness. 🙏🏾

[@divinedevon9213]

I found my way through darkness becoming spiritual and

[@JennHayden]

I blocked channels that do these kinds of things because they have become sensational and gimmicky. Thank you for having an authentic conversation and not going for clicks.

[@dipuokgabi2588]

The former Christians seem to be reasoning from a point of trauma, which is very sad. Many people drift from Christianity because of the church and its traditions but it's important to remember that Christianity is about Christ. People are not perfect, the church is not perfect but throwing the baby (Christ) with the bath water (the church) is very problematic. It is crucial to see Christ through one's personal lens as not everyone who claims Christ will be Christ-like. A personal relationship with Christ is important, not necessarily relying on what people describe Christ to be. Read the bible for yourself.

[@Dr.Beetlejuice110]

That's a gaslight. the people are Christ's hands and feet on this earth. Relying on the Bible is imperfect because you can interpret the wrong things from it. Hearing from the holy Spirit is imperfect as well. You can literally be making anything up. None of Christianity practice is perfect.

[@Mizzlibrarian83]

@@Dr.Beetlejuice110it seems you are here to trigger people or to simply be ignorant in purpose

[@jenniferh.7219]

I appreciate your comment and somehow it helps further elucidate my truth. I have not found Jesus - and there is trauma from trying trying trying and not finding not finding Jesus and thus perhaps not able to receive his love. Thus further solidifies that I need to take a break - particularly from the Church externals part.

[@huffizenough1296]

1. God and Christ are not the same. Just because they don’t worship Christ does not mean they don’t have a relationship with God. 2. Please don’t confuse their trauma with them leaving Christianity. Many people run to Christianity and other religions to manage trauma in attempts to find God. #blacktherapist

[@lanadavis5820]

​@@huffizenough1296 Christians believe that God is Christ. It's in the Bible. Google it. A lot of scholars in this field say the same. I'm not religious at all though. I'm agnostic.

[@crespeakslife]

To the Christian ladies! Thank you for planting the seed

[@soulfulfilled4382]

Hi there, just curious, how did they plant the seed when the other ladies were already former Christian’s?

[@crespeakslife]

@soulfulfilled4382 the lady at the end that said she is going to do some research and all the folks watching this video.

[@anastasiacarolyn]

y’all are always assuming y’all are planting something been there done that 😂

[@kaoshi_kutie]

@@anastasiacarolynwho hurt you?

[@anastasiacarolyn]

@ I have to be hurt for saying that lol, im sorry not everytime y’all have a religious conversation y’all are “ planting a seed” Seek help

[@uphylme9350]

This would have been better conversation with ordained seasoned ministers vs. Seasoned ministers that left Christianity

[@unpopularopinionpodcast24]

The host is a great moderator. Much better than jubilee

[@forhisglorylifestyle]

Agreed

[@goldengirl7625]

Jubilee is just awful

[@jomaya3283]

Yes, she is great because every time I say, “girl what?!🤨” , she interjects with a classy wrapped question so they can explain 😂😂

[@SoulTribe777]

Each person chooses either a religion or spiritual way based on life experience. Instead of trying to be right love should help you to see that we all are here for our own personal life experience. No one should try to sway anyone to do anything. Allow people to find their way. If they need something they will ask. There is no right nor wrong. There are experiences and lessons. We each get to determine how we do this life and to find our purpose along with mastering ourselves.

[@huffizenough1296]

❤❤

[@karimalo0513]

exactly🎯

[@misstjones520]

Best comment ❤❤❤

[@estellahenderson804]

The lady in the purple was all emotion and no facts. While I deconstruct Christianity, I think it’s important to come with significant information. She didn’t have any.

[@taebrown384]

@@estellahenderson804 may I ask why your deconstructing, as the word seems to mean different things to different people.

[@estellahenderson804]

@ Breaking Christianity down to what it really means and not excepting what was just told to me. I no longer practice Christianity. I have Christ consciousness, and I believe in the teachings of Christ Christianity is something else to me.

[@taebrown384]

@@estellahenderson804 ahh I see. Thanks for responding ❤️

[@tankisothafeni4428]

I've noticed that, too 😊

[@tankisothafeni4428]

​@estellahenderson804 "You are no longer practicing Christianity." What do you mean by these?

[@chico7000]

I’m reminded of how we’ve convinced ourselves that growing up in or around church culture meant we know or understand God and it’s just soo far from the truth. The Jews who literally were their own set apart nation, had their lives and culture revolving around said God failed to recognise Him when He came and dwelt among them in the person of Jesus . Now never-mind all the lies and deception added to the equation. It’s always been about knowing God for yourself and as a fellow PK, learnt the hard way that no one can spoon feed you into the Kingdom. I pray that these ladies and anyone else whose watching this that by His mercy, may they encounter the True and Living God before realising later that He is indeed the only way in these last days becomes too costly.

[@nakiacharease]

As someone who almost got caught in New Age philosophies… I’d never go back ! Jesus is my one and only savior. I’ll scream that to the mountain top. I would asked the question, who needs several gods; when one’s there only one true Almighty. I understand the anger from the one side, but once I learned to separate God from mankind the outlook on my Christian faith changed.

[@geminigrrl66]

As a Black woman who found my way back to my faith, I have total empathy for my sisters who've left Christianity. I get it. We have to accept that too many of our churches and fellow Christians are not welcoming to the stranger, that misogynoir is real and harmful, and frankly too many preachers and their congregations DO NOT know the Bible the way they should. If you're still reading the KJV, then you're missing a LOT of the nuances from the Hebrew, Greek and Latin. We also need to understand that religious trauma is REAL, and not dismiss it or talk about those who've experienced it as if they're at fault. Faith should strengthen and HEAL us, not make us feel unworthy or damaged. A true faith allows questions and being okay with not always knowing and being human. Dogma demands obedience. The ex-Christian women's body language isn't "dark" or defensive - it's the body language of ABUSE. These women were waiting to be attacked, because they already have been. It's interesting how so many Christian posters in this thread completely missed that, in their zeal to brag about how "personal" their relationship with Jesus is.

[@naysx12]

Wow really good pointc

[@CraigCarlton-cjc]

Honest question. No disrespect intended. If you are someone who was a Christian before, and is now not a Christian because you've read peer-reviewed scientific studies that convinced you differently, why is it that those claims are not placed under the same scrutiny as the claims of the bible?

[@jasmineclayton4313]

Great question!!

[@Jcrutch]

They are lol. That's what peer reviewed means. And you can STILL question them. Christians can't do that intellectually or else there would be a whole lot less christians

[@danielle7127]

Well… they are put under scrutiny. It’s just that the methods used are different. Christians (particularly the ones who believe the Bible is inerrant) only use the Bible and their own person experiences with God as sources of truth. Secular folks tend to use the Bible, science, philosophy, history, and other subjects to come up with their arguments against the faith. So naturally, it may feel like claims that go against your god’s existence are unscrutinized but really it’s a matter of not having or using the same materials to defend your stance. And also secular knowledge attained through the scientific method are more convincing because they are replicable. A lot of claims by Christians can’t be proven by the scientific method.

[@lynnd.5135]

But there are things that can't be proved by Science that point to God being the only explanation. There is a book called I don't have enough faith to be an atheist which is really good​@@danielle7127

[@divinedevon9213]

AGAIN JESUS OF LUBECK WAS A SLAVE SHIP AND WASNT ADDED TO THE BIBLE UNTIL 1611

[@LifeWithRoyalet]

I love this conversation and please stop saying women are hurt and bitter bc they have a different viewpoint and way of expression

[@Alldance09]

@@LifeWithRoyalet Right. People just want real answers that don’t take mental gymnastics.

[@DanysDollHouse]

I sense so much pain, in the woman who claims that the Bible has contradictions, but has no proof to back it up, and then says we know that they are contradictions. We don’t know and don’t agree that there are contradictions in the Bible, so you would have to prove your point in order for your points to be valid.

[@Szpak-123]

Paul's most serious false teaching...totally at odds with what Jesus taught. Part 10 (excerpts) PAUL REFERS TO HIMSELF AS A SPIRITUAL FATHER THE MOST SERIOUS FALSE TEACHING OF PAUL I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. -excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV -words of Paul And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven. -excerpt Matthew 23 -words of Jesus

[@naynay9419]

@@Szpak-123he is not telling them to call him father or saying he is literally their father, he used it as an analogy as his role in their lives, just as a father will be concerned if their children are doing wrong, so is Paul concerned like a father, because they were doing wrong. In 1 Corinthians 3: 4-5 we see him humble himself as a servant.

[@CraigCarlton-cjc]

@@Szpak-123 Jesus is addressing the Pharisees in that particular passage. You'll notice he also uses the words "Master" and "Rabbi", as he was addressing a common tendency of the Sanhedrin of that day to reduce the people to lower status because of their position in the temple. It seems most likely that the Apostle Paul is stressing the form of patēr (πατήρ) in his context as that of "one who stands in a father's place, and looks after another in paternal way: 1 Corinthians 4:15." This carries with it more the idea of mentorship rather than claiming ancestry for spiritual purposes.

[@naynay9419]

@@Szpak-123you see he says “I am writing this not to shame you but to warn you AS my dear children” meaning I’m writing to you like a concerned father not to make you feel ashamed, your father will correct you in love not shame you for your wrong doings

[@Szpak-123]

@@naynay9419 This is Paul's most serious false teaching. Part 10 can be posted in its entirety, should you wish a study.

[@cosmically_creative1986]

“The world didn’t give you your identity, so they can’t take it away” 😮‍💨

[@Lioness_Es]

Amen! It is in God that we move, live, and have our being! 🙏🏾💝

[@priscianv612]

You shall know them by their fruits lady in purple and the woman cleaning her nails as the other side was speaking. The Christian’s were listening with love and kindness but they werent

[@divinedevon9213]

I have ptsd so stop projecting , and stay in your lane queen judgmental clown 😂😂

[@r0guedoll]

I’m not Christian, I don’t follow any religion but I do strongly believe in the existence of God and use the Bible as a guide. This was a very insightful episode, and I was so excited to see some of the Christian content creators I follow like Johanna & Asha Christina. This was a great idea Dr. Michelle, awesome job!

[@93Nagchampa]

Lol, just admit you're Christian.

[@aplecrmbl]

God brings so much peace, try giving your life to him

[@Jesus.Disciple]

I pray the Lord reveal Himself to you in a powerful way 🙏🏾

[@er.8109]

Jesus himself said " You must be born again" becoming a child of God is not a religion is a relationship with The Lord.

[@BriW444]

We are in the same boat I understand and hear you ❤

[@emiie.effect]

As a former Christian I understand that my place was not in the church

[@usvi7684]

Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6) 🤍🕊

[@heatherlewis2613]

People are not perfect but God is. If we base our faith on people not on God alone then we set ourselves up for failure. Should people do better? Of course! But your faith is not rooted in them. It needs to be fully rooted in Christ. You are loved and valued. Be blessed x

[@emiie.effect]

@heatherlewis2613 Why is it hard for you to understand that some of us are meant to be at different places in life. We don't all have the same calling. If you found your peace in Christ, I am happy for you. I didn't, and life goes on. That's it. Don't feel bad for me. I am one happy woman and I'd appreciate if you'd respect that.

[@emiie.effect]

@@usvi7684 ok...

[@huffizenough1296]

Amen and God is not a Christian ..❤

[@crystald4506]

This conversation went exactly how I thought it would go. Would be great to have an unbiased moderator next time.

[@chrisstevens8123]

Mad respect to the christian ladies with how you answered questions and were transparent about your relationship with Christ. Throughout this discussion I couldn't help but notice that all the former christian ladies had something in common. They put their trust in people, denominations and a building and not actually pursuing Jesus for themselves. I'm not belittling what they went through because I know that had to of been very difficult. However, what they're saying is is they adhered to the christian belief at one time but they put their trust in an inferior source, which was man. So what they claimed to be persuasive and true was later determined by circumstances and experiences that convinced them otherwise.

[@tatarsauce6314]

Several comments here suggest that the women who aren’t Christian were more aggressive than the women who are. But I just can’t pick that up. It just sounds like some of y’all have it out for people who don’t agree with you.

[@missqui8217]

They do… the Christian ladies just had that nice nasty vibe going. You can tell they are very dismissive and closed minded with their views.

[@DaniTheAlchemist33]

Period. I didn’t get anger. I got that one side is really passionate about their beliefs and the other side is comfortable with being under organized religion.

[@korynkoryn6052]

Exactly!!

[@kaoshi_kutie]

@@DaniTheAlchemist33it’s a relationship with Jesus, there is no organised religion . The former Christian’s have church hurt and trauma that only the love of Jesus can heal. A lot of what they are referring to is the church environment they were in and their upbringing ❤

[@iamintriguing]

Exactly

[@julieb.7294]

Such a blessed conversation. This was an amazing collaboration. Thank you for having it and posting it.

[@almard1990]

She fact that the woman in purple can’t pull out ONE ONLY ONE fallacy is nuts. Then she goes on to say “I’m not going to the the home work, that’s on you” guess what I have done the homework and that’s why I believe what I believe, but if you have a condescending attitude of “I’m better because I’m informed” please enlighten us with ONE example since we are too stupid to understand.

[@Jcrutch]

Just type in "Bible contradictions" in Google. But you won't because then you'll have to consider that you're beliefs might be wrong

[@divinedevon9213]

Hello dmbfk they wouldn’t let me get the talking points I had written down . JESUS OF LUBECK WAS A SLAVE SHIP IN 1540s and wasn’t added to the Bible until 1611. I have everything written down still

[@ruthieauguste670]

Right. The lady in purple was highly emotional.. there is definitely some deep rooted hurt there. All we can do is pray for those who are bond for freedom in Christ.

[@Jcrutch]

@ruthieauguste670 No. Y'all are too intellectually dishonest to actually look up "Bible contradictions" on Google. The fact that none of the Christian ladies were even familiar with the concept of Bible contradictions shows that their whole belief system is based in their feelings and not logic

[@ernettalatrice2790]

I enjoyed this conversation. It was nice to see people express themselves and their perspectives without being disrespectful. I pray a seed was planted in the women who oppose Christ and their hearts will soften to rediscover Him with help of the Holy Spirit.

[@virtuouswoman7924]

Dear host, I love your line of questioning ❤️❤️❤️❤️.

[@letscarryit]

The lady said the Bible got so many contradictions . Then the believer said share 1 ??? Oooo this isn’t the show for that .. 😂😂😂😂. Sick I’m tired of people saying that . Without no proof of the contradictions

[@divinedevon9213]

They wouldn’t let me show the contractions I had written down

[@huffizenough1296]

What’s understood doesn’t have to be explained..

[@ReggieRedd2500]

The OT clearly contradicts the NT.

[@Flash-pp3cr]

My oh my where to start. God created man in his image then demands circumcision. God gives commandments and isn't an example of following them. He changes his mind often. I could go on forever but you have to go read on your own. Cmon. It's so easy for those who actually read that book.

[@lionel3185]

@@huffizenough1296 But I can't understand if the person who is making this assertion cannot even offer a shred of detail pertaining to what contradictions she is referring to, so yes I would like an explanation please. I cannot read minds. The Believers were very clear that the Bible in of itself does not contradict, yet the former Christian women were still giving examples of how the Bible and God's word can be misinterpreted, thereby bringing about contradictions. That was not the point. She erected her own series of strawmans to attack and still could provide no detail. It is not difficult to pinpoint a simple example of where the Bible contradicts itself if you firmly believe this. But even she herself knew that she had nothing so she became needlessly loud and devoid of substance.

[@kierstinbaum4097]

I noticed the Christian women are so much more calmer and open minded than the non Christian women.

[@mylilpc]

7:54 The whole book of Exodus is about God freeing slaves. Hebrews endured horrible slave conditions like blacks in America. The audience of the New Testament was Jewish and those familiar with Jewish customs. The slavery that is referred to in the New Testament was a different slavery system compared to what is described in American history and Exodus. The slavery referred to in the NT was equated to indentured servitude where a person would come into an agreement to be a slave along with their family to someone they were indebted to. Or they would ask to be a slave if this was a means to an end. I’m sure there were cruel individuals in this system but the system wasn’t predicated on cruelty like in American slavery. As a matter of fact according to Jewish customs during the Jubilee year (every 50th year) all slaves were to be set free and have their debts cleared. Meaning if you owed two years worth of wages and only became a slave 1 year before a Jubilee year, you would be set free and have a years worth of debt cleared. God does everything with intentionality as this system is representative of what happens when we give our lives to Christ. No matter when you come to him or how long you have been working to spread his gospel here on earth, when he returns or when you die, whichever comes first, you receive eternal rest with him. Praying for all these women that they become truths seekers so they can defend the faith from more than just an experiential perspective but with facts, and for those that have drifted praying God will call them and that they will have a prodigal daughter experience and come to know the true love of God 💖🙏🏽

[@user-gz2su2mc6f]

POWERFUL!

[@user-gz2su2mc6f]

🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@lulamaapplegreen1586]

This is so interesting. Could you please share the resources on this matter? I would love to explore this....

[@r9trstvr9trstv71]

Slavery of Jewish people in kemet 😅😅😅

[@BenUrShēm3335]

​@@lulamaapplegreen1586 Exodus Ch.21 and Leviticus Ch.25 kzbin.info-C0ex99QRXE?si=vJdV5h7qy6lHOVGM (Skip to 1:49:25) kzbin.infoGoNjPbVSJhA?si=vTjeM5KMXQa8jWLr

[@Mr.conserv]

She’s bringing up King James’s like we don’t have original manuscripts that predate KJV by over 1,000 years lol KJ is a man, he’s not Jesus so nothing he did in a negative light effects the authenticity of Christianity

[@LMak1989]

Assuming the original manuscripts exist, they still would’ve been written by men with flaws and agendas anyway lol

[@divinedevon9213]

LOOK IT UP . JESUS WASNT ADDED TO BIBLE UNTIL 1611. J DIDNT EXIST IN THE ORIGNAL ALPHABET OR BIBLE . Pick up a book and read instead of pushing hot air

[@nauticdixons]

That's the point, though. He changed things. Not only that, if the name wasn't Jesus, but they told you it was for 2 thousand years, and told you at the mention of his name (that is not isn't his name) every knee shall bow. Shouldn't you be upset and wonder if that is EXACTLY why knees have not been bowing all along? And what else where we misled on? Why make all these excuses?

[@kacgb5315]

....he didnt cha ge anyhting its a translation literally, we hvae dofferent english translations right jow that update words to make ot easier for the modern audince this why u actually need to be versed in christianity manuscripts, the content of the bible is still the same from back 2000 yrs, and this comes from a athiest called bart erhman who a professional in the field. And so what if jesus name wasnt jesus its a transliteration of yeshua, so its still his name but ina different language....ur nitpicking small things that dont acc dispovre christianity. There isnt a need to be upset when ppl like ur self are uninformed and im not tryning to be rude by objection have been dealt with for over 1000yrs now, ya every knee shall bow the ones whi recognise him as lord , litrally bible talk about jesus saying go away from i didnt know u, talking about ppl who said they believed in him but didnt hold to his word .....so ya, id recommend u acc get up to date with Christian apologetics. P pl id recommend is inspiringphilosophy, sam shamoun, bob from speaker corner. U can watch on youtube and acc learn stuff biblically propely with sources. @nauticdixons

[@tyb.580]

This was wonderful Dr. Daf! I am a daughter of God and just wanted to hug each of these ladies as I have been down that road and it is rooted in pain. They have been hurt by imperfect people and are claiming those actions to be of God. Something I learned about people and those who use religion and the Bible to do bad is that it's two different things. You have imperfect people using a tool of good to confuse and harm others. Confusion and harm are not of God. It's no different than using a hammer. If you use it for its purpose(to hit a nail) it is good. However, if you use it to hit someone it is bad. The intention matters but does that make the tool itself bad? NO. It is the user who has used it in a way that it was not meant to be used. Blessing!

[@Carol_Cooks]

Its very interesting looking at just the physical posture and the tone of each side of the group. It's very telling of a heart posture and internal antomosity of the "none believer". Sometimes i think they believe the most but have been scared by ppl in or out of the church and have built a wall to protect themselves.

[@Mr.conserv]

Literally noticed that from the beginning lol

[@divinedevon9213]

AGAIN I AM A HISTORY NUT AND studied every religion . I chose spirituality like my ancestors

[@misslaurenlee]

The women who aren’t Christian made some vital points.

[@divinedevon9213]

Thank you for using your brain

[@jacksonmpala7870]

SAYS A DEMON

[@EndingPoverty101]

Period

[@BriW444]

Exactly but people won’t give them credit because it’s not Christian.

[@majestymxnt7384]

Points that don’t hold much weight when you break them down and get into them.

[@thewayofyahweh7]

A seed was planted!!

[@warfactorgamer6877]

Simone obviously hasn’t studied much about Islam. Basic principle is Muslims go to the mosque weekly on Fridays just as Christians go to church on Sundays. 😕

[@lynnd.5135]

Yeah I saw that and thought she has no idea what she is talking about

[@GiselleInFaith]

Great show concept and hosting. I’ve not finished the episode yet but throughly enjoying so far

[@misstownes]

I’m so happy to see people waking up from oppression and manipulation of religion. I feel sorry for the masses who live under binding spell of religion. It’s so said to see people unable to be free thinkers and think critically. ❤

[@soulfulfilled4382]

Free thinking ✨

[@ClarityPodcast.]

What does free thinking do for you besides making you angry and very passionate. That’s not freedom that’s bondage

[@divinedevon9213]

Thank you so much for using your brain

[@divinedevon9213]

@@ClarityPodcast.I am not angry at all , I am awake . Stop projecting lol

[@joshuacooperseo]

@@misstownes Does being a “free thinker” and “thinking critically” offer you Eternal Life or does it cease when your physical body dies? Following Christ = Relationship with The Creator of mankind. It’s not a religion. I can think just as critical or even more critical than you following Christ. You’re in the comment section just like me so how am I oppressed or manipulated? You still have the same consequences for sin like I do so what’s different? Like you’re not manipulated by the government. The Christian faith is the only opposing objective voice to nefarious acts of the culture.

[@jazzyswag3324]

This still proves that we the people are divided and destroyed you should be free to believe whatever you want and religion does divide we can’t even have a safe place to discuss our feelings I see in the comments who angry and who not we all need healing and to be sincere love conquer all so love thy neighbor

[@MillionaireMommy1]

I was bought up in the church. It’s hard to completely mentally separate from it. However, now that I am older I have questions. It talks about slavery. Is that why when it talks about forgiveness is it a form of manipulation for us to forgive slave owners? I mean, it was written by men. The church requires us to tithe yet that puts pastor in a position to legally manipulate people to pay for their lavish lifestyle. We have to wait for marriage to have s*x yet black men don’t want to marry. We trust God, but those who do not trust him seem to be doing better. A lot of questions!

[@easiersaidwithmeg]

As a atheist this comment section is hilarious.

[@baonemogomotsi7138]

I literally saw someone say slavery isn't condoned like Numbers 31:1-18 (God instructing Moses): "The Lord said to Moses, 'Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites...' They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man... The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder... 'Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.’"

[@boochi7087]

I am so tickled by all the cope. They are all so judgemental, it's amusing. A group of women are having a discussion or debate and you have people calling the non-Christian side "demons". Theres no hate like Christian love!!

[@kacgb5315]

​@@boochi7087.....ya i havent seen that, mostly what i see is the christians saying its a good comversation and the Christian women seem calm and peaceful....so ya maybe there are few comments but i wouldnt be surprised since ur non- christian u would be only looking for the hateful comments. And i dont lnow what thia christian love is about u atheist love talking about when a few christians do sowmhting atupid then put wvery other in the same box...does.t sound very open minded as u claim to be so much

[@Kettie_]

Heavy on the “SHOW US…” 10:41

[@kayswiss]

Grew up religious and some stuff put a bad taste in my mouth but I didn’t leave on bad terms. I just simply never believed it, not even as a child. Went every Sunday and I just couldn’t get into it. It didn’t pull me in like spirituality did

[@ChildofGod98765]

There are so many different obstacles that I face as a single mother. Jesus continue to give me strength as I struggle to provide financially for my children both have special needs and require so much from me. I keep faith no matter what, I turn to you Heavenly Father to carry me because I KNOW YOU CAN CHANGE MY SITUATION. AMEN. I believe.💕

[@necynea3356]

The comments seem very judgmental to me…. Coming from a bunch of believers, also why keep pointing that the non believer woman are “angry and hateful”

[@lynnd.5135]

Because they unfortunately are. We all know what trauma looks like. Especially if you don't have it, it's so easy to spot it because it's like looking at someone broken trying to keep it together. It's sad 😢

[@revelationsofHU-mankind]

They are they have very offended spirit!

[@Sicoy28]

Christians are going to be Christian’s 😂😂😂

[@Sicoy28]

@@lynnd.5135you don’t know what they are . We can call you butter and ugly because you’re making comments on ppl you don’t know .see how that works

[@goldengirl7625]

Judgmental or corrective and affirmative? I don’t see judgment, I see people speaking against lies and slander against their faith from people who speak from a place of hurt and bias.

[@anastasiacarolyn]

why I left the church was more so because I saw the dynamic and it was unhealthy for me, I saw how the book praises men and degrades women like in genesis with Adam and Eve, I was also told that women weren’t allowed to be pastors or do anything in Church, that we were meant to serve our husbands & do what we were born for, why would I want to be in a relationship like that?

[@awadiop4215]

one side seems to make sense and be at peace and the other seems to operate from pain and seems to be rather emotional.

[@divinedevon9213]

One seems to use their brain and do research , one relies on praying to a slave ship . Foh 😂😂

[@OriginalKenyan]

I heartily and wholeheartedly cosign this series Michelle..keep it up and God continue to open up more avenues, and give you more grace for more of the same. Blessings!

[@StarrConversations]

I really would love to be on a panel like this! My sisters in Christ did EXCELLENT! ❤

[@Jesus.Disciple]

I didn’t grow up in church but in my late 20’s the Lord revealed Himself to me. He has definitely change my life and now i have a purpose. He uses me to travel across the world to peach and do things for Him. I have cast out many demons out of people and healed some by His power 🙌🏽

[@shuushyoujokeman9069]

Ohh is that so? What did the lord look like

[@almondy1963]

There was clearly a difference in the attitudes between the two groups of women. The Christian were sweet and had more of a peaceful spirit while the non Christian women were hostile as if they were angry about something. One of them was even about to blurt out a cuss word, but she caught herself. Bottom line is, when you have peace in Christ Jesus, it shows. When you don't have peace is Christ Jesus - that will show as well.

[@IamLeighton]

Amen

[@Thegracemade]

The interesting thing about unbelievers is that each one of them have their own version of the truth and what happens after we die. These all can’t be true. Some believe we transcend, some believe we come back reincarnated, some believe we just die. So in that case who is actually right? And why would one trust human opinion over the word of God?

[@Jcrutch]

Interesting thing about believers is that they all believe they all have the one true religion but they can't all be true. Why trust one over another? Why not say "I don't know"

[@jaybarbosa553]

Their truth doesn’t exist. There is only one truth.

[@jaybarbosa553]

@@Jcrutchbecause all of them somehow acknowledge Jesus.

[@Thegracemade]

@@Jcrutch As a Christian by faith I believe that the Bible is true not only because I’ve experienced God’s miraculous power in my life but because it fulfills prophecy and there is historical proof of Jesus death, burial, and resurrection. We will never be 10000% sure of anything until we cross over to the other side but I rather believe in a God that has transformed my life and the lives of countless others in a way that is undeniable and is His word that is infallible.

[@Thegracemade]

@@Jcrutch also the Bible says that Jesus is the way the truth and the life - and that there is no way to the Father except through Him. So again, by faith, I choose to take Him at His word.

[@tracyreadytv]

Just watching the intros... there's a calm to the Christian women. Also, the Christian women talk about their relationship with GOD and JESUS.... And the other women have issues with church "It (church and the Bible) is not for me" is what they all said.

[@nikip3903]

This was great! well organized and moderator did a great job.

[@LaKymana]

I also am a believer/follower of Jesus and simply cannot tolerate religious people. God and Jesus spoke at length about the incongruity of the hearts and minds of people who say they are His. This panel was 🔥

[@ruthieauguste670]

Great discussion, my sisters in Christ represented our Father well. Blessings!

[@ibmgoat88]

Great episode but i wish it was longer. The former side was so much more open minded. One of the problems with religion is that in order to truly be of that you kind of have to shut out all other opinions and that severely restricts any real conversations (i.e rebuking in the name of the jesus; when what she was saying was just positive affirmations)

[@missqui8217]

Right, and everyone in the comments believes that the formers are so angry 😒. The most closed minded conversations I have had were with Christian women.

[@ibmgoat88]

@missqui8217 They only believe that because if they agree with the formers then they are now bad Christians and will be punished by it lol.

[@soulfulfilled4382]

Exactly, the woman was aggressive in the way she rebuked. I believe If the young lady with earrings was much more grounded in who she was she would’ve said something..Christianity says “we were created in his image so then are you not a mirror version of God? I believe with unshakeable faith that Jesus is a deity like the others.

[@achsahisrael252]

Let me in on an episode Dr. Daf ! Love that you are doing this . 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 I had sooo much to say , respectfully ! And I love how decent and in order you are ! 🤍

[@dcox1996]

Watching this video, I couldn't help but reflect on how divisive the statement 'Christianity is the only true religion' really is. This mindset showcases the entitlement some Christians have adopted, often at the expense of understanding and dialogue. It's ironic considering that Jesus, the central figure of Christianity, was not a Christian. He was a deeply spiritual man who frequently challenged the religious elite of His time. If anything, Jesus would have called out the very dogmatic attitudes we see today. The Christian women in this video unfortunately came across as uncritical followers, repeating doctrines without deeper reflection. This highlights a broader issue: the lack of knowledge among people of African descent about their own history. While we’ve been freed physically from oppression, many remain mentally shackled by the ideologies of their oppressors. As for the host, it was disappointing to see little effort to create a meaningful discussion. A conversation titled 'The Bridge' should aim to educate and connect, not widen divides. Instead, this felt more like 'The Cliff,' pushing people further apart. It was a missed opportunity to foster understanding and growth. We must do better-both as individuals and as communities-by educating ourselves and challenging the narratives we’ve inherited. True spirituality, as exemplified by Jesus, is about liberation, compassion, and questioning the systems that seek to confine us. --- A Former Christian and so glad about it. If Jesus was not a Christian than why should I . Now that's the question that should be asked.

[@divinedevon9213]

Thank you 🫶🏾

[@Alldance09]

@@dcox1996 you are appreciated.

[@StarrConversations]

Praise the Lord I knew she was truly listening to what these ladies were saying! I will pray for her! Can’t wait to hear her testimony!

[@hurtingfeelingsdaily]

So glad I stepped away from religion. Life has never been better :) Shout out to my deconstructed/deconverted ladies. ❤

[@the_tnm]

Really enjoyed this conversation and both sides made valid points. I do wish we heard more from the lady in the purple.

[@DorothyZbornak4]

For me, it's not about pain or anger. I believe in a God/ creator but i feel religion focuses too much of thinking we know everything because a book from ages ago said so, yet none of us have died to truly understand the afterlife we are dedicating our lives to. Christians worship Jesus, call out to Jesus, end prayers with "in the name of Jesus," which is idolatry as he was not the creator. Jesus was a man that claimed he was chosen by God, had people follow him, claiming to heal people. Centuries old cult leader that now is the model of how people live to respect their government, like how they were trained through religion.

[@Himmiefan]

Many people, of course, disagree and believe that Christ is God in human form.

[@MsE711]

Yes, Jesus was man who first was/is God and the Holy Spirit who came down in human form to save us from our sins. He is the living word. So , yes we worship and praise Jesus who is the Son of God and God Himself. Also, why bring up idolatry? Idolatry is prohibited in the Christian faith but if you believe in something different, then idolatry doesn’t apply to you.

[@DorothyZbornak4]

@MsE711 i believe in a God/Creator. I dont follow Christianity anymore as the faith is contradictory as the Bible points to God being a jealous God, yet Jesus gets a whole religion named after him while followers simultaneously worship 3 entities. Jesus was born, meaning before him, people were praying to the sky without the influence of a Bible or Christianity

[@soulfulfilled4382]

@@DorothyZbornak4exactly…the Bible even states that the wiseman used the stars to “navigate” to get to Bethlehem. So they were using astrology in the Bible and yet the Bible tells you not to use diviners, psychics etc

[@stacig2189]

My Sisters in Christ! You did an Awesome job representing our Father - Well done and well said 💯

[@korynkoryn6052]

I wholeheartedly agree with the former christians. It’s only when I left christianity that I found peace within myself. I’m never going back!

[@divinedevon9213]

Ty

[@jessharris-vr6rs]

Love love the perspectives from the Christian women side. It shows godly maturity & it's encouraging to a fellow sister.

[@Guessw8t]

I appreciate the disagree side for expanding their thoughts past Christianity.

[@victoriaaserwaa]

The Lord put this verse in my head > “For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: “The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭15‬:‭3‬ ‭NIV‬

[@tututhebudgie2154]

I am still waiting for that lady in purple to name the contradictions within the Bible 🙄

[@CoilyCode]

Right😅 There are no contradictions. If you read the Bible looking for something wrong with it, you will not find the truth. God will literally HIDE it from you because your heart is in the wrong place. Why would He reveal Himself to someone who’s committed to doubting Him?

[@bluegiraffe200]

I mean the bible is a two edged sword it was created to be contradictory in my opinion not saying Jesus was contradictory or God is but the bible was written by many different men it has many perspectives!

[@CoilyCode]

@ “a two edged” sword does not mean contradictions. With that, I’d love an example of a contradiction? Also, the only perspective it’s written from is God’s. Remember, all scripture is breathed by God. No scripture is from any man’s private interpretation.

[@Justritamich]

The lady in the purple speaks from pain. She's very aggressive. She doesn't have peace about her decision

[@usemann3640]

Why did God sacrifice his son, but did not forgive him and let him live so that the world would be peaceful forever?

[@thelemonadebar609]

I so enjoyed this discussion. I’m hopeful for a pt.2 As a disciple of Christ ( Christian) these past few years spending time with my Heavenly Father I’ve grown so close to Him and he has shaped so many of my worldly views for the good to His views. The common thread I see from the opposing side is some people are comfortable with sin it’s not what people have done to them its the lifestyle that one wants to live in and the Bible is very clear on the lifestyle God wants us to live, which is a godly lifestyle ( read the word to find out more) . So one can’t say people were judging them are such and such treated them this way that way( I have been judged in many bad ways from folks of the church but I didn’t allow satan to allow me to stray from God because of the relationship I have with Him) it’s the Bible is the ultimate judge. However, I do appreciate them sharing . One of the things I wanted to mention is the three ladies on the opposing side who no longer believe in Christ the one in the white shirt she appeared to be very angry and that was disturbing to me. One should be able to get the view across without being angry, and they were there to here ones views, and she didn’t want to share it and she was angry when the other ladies said Yes this is why we are here please explain. Over all again, wonderful conversation. 💜🙏🏾💜 #Christisreal

[@marcelsmith1018]

That older angry lady to the right definitely didn’t understand the assignment. This was the wrong show for her. Once she peeped she stopped talkin 😂

[@Godisawesome23]

Unfortunately I believe the Christians could have dealt with the SA lady better. She literally opened up about her being abused as a child, and that pastors kids lady just jumped to talk about her own experiences . Thats an area we need to be better at as a church . Have compassion and acknowledge the pain of others, like GENUINELY. We all live in a fallen world, and experience the pain of it. Being a Christian doesn’t mean you are better than others. You are now a saint who was a sinner. Weap with those who weap and rejoice with those who rejoice . Words without action mean nothing 🙏🏾

[@beautifulllb9493]

Wow Dr. Daf! This is an interesting concept, and will be a tough listen for me as a Christian woman. I love our Lord and have a hard time understanding those who don’t 😢 they often say horrible things. That said, I will give it a try and will be back with my feedback.

[@usemann3640]

They often say the truth, because they are not brainwashed. If you were born in a muslim country you would be muslim and not christian. So your parents and environment shift and forms you to who to believe in

[@CambieSweets]

Interesting, because it’s usually Christian’s who say and have done the worst things to people. The fact that you have a “hard time understanding” shows your lack of awareness and empathy because that requires understanding.

[@jordiiiJordan]

I’m so glad I have come across this conversation 👌🏽

[@magdalaleon7172]

I’m a Bit confused which God are they praying to since they don’t believe in the Bible

[@IamLeighton]

the god of this world = their daddy the devil

[@divinedevon9213]

God is in us

[@sunnyhunn9315]

One thing is for sure, people need to understand being raised in church AKA attending church services as a child, joining the choir or playing instruments are NOT the same thing with having a PERSONAL & INTENTIONAL relationship with The Lord Jesus: this is a heart issue. No matter what they’ve experienced in church or personal disappointments they’ve endured, GOD IS STILL GOOD. The question is, do we know and trust His Love? Do we care to be patient even when we don’t understand and believe that God will not fail us, because GOD CANNOT FAIL. People weaponize anything they can, but it doesn’t make God the enemy. And sometimes it’s truly our own pride that makes it impossible to be pliable and meek.

[@luvstarrkage8089]

The reality is that if you consider yourself a former Christian, it suggests you were never truly a Christian to begin with. When you are genuinely saved by Jesus Christ, that transformative encounter is unforgettable. There’s no way you can honestly say, "I am no longer a Christian." While it's true that some may experience spiritual struggles, become lukewarm, or backslide, the concept of being a "former Christian" doesn't align with the true nature of salvation. If you’ve truly encountered Christ, that relationship endures. Hebrews 6:4-6 " For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt".

[@Himmiefan]

Let's try having some grace and empathy because many if not all of those who call themselves former Christians do so because someone has hurt them. Instead of judging, let's be kind.

[@alishaendre616]

I think it’s insensitive of you to assume that these people were never truly saved. Who are you to say that a backslide doesn’t take years? Who are you to determine how far that backslide goes? Let me remind you of the words of Christ: “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” God bless you.

[@TrianaAndTruth]

Agreed and that's a scriptural statement. "It is this Good News that saves you if you continue to believe the message I told you-unless, of course, you believed something that was never true in the first place." 1 Corinthians 15:2

[@philw9787]

Not true, people do backslide. U can come back too!!

[@bernicefomunung9547]

@@alishaendre616Christians that backslide will never renounce Jesus.

[@beingwithbrina]

man i remember when i strayed away and i had the mindset of the women on the right. I can see that they are confused and hurt searching for truth but unfortunately they wont find it where they are heading. But Yahuah knows their heart. I will be praying for them.

[@MsE711]

Preach!!! That was me too and I almost lost my mind, literally. I am so grateful and thankful to be back in church and being in God’s word. All the ancestor worship and new age things did nothing for me but jack up my life.

[@jen-ov2bi]

in my personal opinion both sides were "Christians" just on different parts of their journeys. The Christians that defined themselves as "former" are all struggling with unreconciled trauma & church hurt. And instead of assigning it to the individuals themselves or to the overall culture of that particular community - they blamed Christianity as a whole. Both sides were right in everything they said. They are actually 2 sides of the same coin...