Feminine vs Feminist Women | The Bridge

[@MaggietheSubstituteTeacher]

THANK YOU for having me on! Such an amazing opportunity and conversation. I’m grateful.

[@Free-z5l]

At the end of the day we really need to thank the older feminists for paving the way for the liberation and choices and pay equality (though still not completely equal to men) women have today. Women could have bank accounts in the 60’s but many banks required male co-signers. Women could not own homes with mortgage loans or have credit cards without male co-signers until 1974. Women could NOT obtain business loans without men until 1988, and marital r*pe wasn’t declared illegal nationwide until 1993! We owe feminists a big thank you whether we are feminists or not, for so many of our rights and autonomy over our bodies as women 🙏🏽 ❤

[@Himmiefan]

Amen! We owe them a lot!

[@Avembe]

I wonder how all those things could have been obtzined without most of the men's votes .....ignoring or omitting this simple fact is incredibly disingeanous

[@JaneeLeeSanders]

Great conversation and panel Dr Daf. I would have loved to see this panel a little bit more split and diverse meaning black feminist of the same age generation as the older women on the panel and white feminine women at the same age as some of the younger women on the panel. When we talk about feminist and fighting for rights and going back to the 50s and 70s, those time periods look a lot different for black and white women, specifically the socioeconomic restraints black families had because of obvious historical reasons, so black women while still being the nurturing beings they are, most of them were working, taking care of home, and still heavily involved in the feminist movement of that time, it just looked a lot different for us and so I would have loved to hear those point of views. On the other side, I would have also loved to hear the point of view of younger white feminine women to see if the traditional mindset is now a generational (millennial/gen z thing) or is it being taught (like finding a husband while in college) and to that point, are the young black voices feeling this way because of the stereotypical outlook of black women in current times. To further the diversity that I brought up earlier, I would have also loved to see a few other cultures represented like Asian women, middle eastern women, Hispanic women. Mostly because their worlds and family views look a lot different than black and white women. It seems as though they are still in the traditional gender roles mindset and I would have loved to hear more about that, positive or negative, and what their feminist movement looks like. I’m not pointing this point to critique, this conversation just made me think of how to further the conversation even more for maybe further parts to this panel. ❤

[@drdafshow]

Thank you for the feedback!

[@luminouslen5986]

“Every woman who thinks about who she is, is a feminist.” WOW! We are certainly privileged to now have a choice …

[@LGHhhhhh]

This was so wholesome. It’s not one or the other. It’s both femininity and feminism. Both makes us truly whole as women. Being able to cater and love your family whilst also seeking creative expression through our careers and businesses is extremely beautiful. To each their own at the end of the day. Some women can do both, others can do just one and that’s okay. We don’t have to put one above the other. We’re all different and unique. Let’s embrace that. It’s all about unity and not uniformity.

[@Eveningbreeze721]

Great discussion! In listening to Maggie.. Why does being successful in corporate America equate to masculine energy. I don't agree that feminine energy can't work in career and educational growth. My feminine energy helps me be a good manager and leader in the corporate world. Additionally, my husband loves my career and how successful I am. He is proud of it and talks about it more than I do. Maybe she meant something else and I misunderstood her. Edit: 25:40...this young lady speaks to what I feel.

[@MaggietheSubstituteTeacher]

Wonderful! ❤

[@Himmiefan]

Exactly!

[@awadiop4215]

I am mostly feminine but I am masculine at work. I am blessed to live in the modern era where woman do have their freedoms but I believe in traditional roles but I do believe I deserve to have choices and my opinions heard, you can be traditional, but understand woman have the right to choose and make different decisions. But I believe god made men and woman to operate at their best being feminine and masculine.

[@Himmiefan]

I'm both proudly feminine and proudly feminist. I appreciate a good, strong man who is a leader, and a good strong man who leads is totally different from a man who controls. A strong leader upholds his woman and helps her to achieve her dreams and shares power with her; he doesn't hold her back or insist she be less than. Also, providing is not always financial provision. I can provide for myself financially, but I do like a man's emotional provision and his masculine friendship/romance. Both women and men should prioritize family over career, and BTW, as a very feminine woman, I love me some great power tools! I'm great at caulking! Also, some women can have both a career and a family and do great at both. Some have to do these separately - and both are okay. We shouldn't say that all women should do this or that. I really appreciate the woman who said that she appreciates the feminists who gained the rights that she enjoys. Many women today put down feminism while taking advantage of the rights feminists gained for them. It's funny how Dr. Daf mentions women being looked down on for being a stay-at-home mother. For a long time before the feminist movement, women were looked down on if they did something other than staying at home. There's a tendency to let men be unique individuals and demand that all women be the same. It's just not accurate. Ultimately, we need to recognize that each woman is a unique individual and support her with her choices as a unique individual. Also, femininity and feminism are not contradictory. Great video!

[@nhall1270]

Thank you this is the position I find myself agreeing with the most but I had a hard time articulate it.

[@MsWillita8]

This looks like it’s going to be exciting. I love your blazer Dr. Michelle. Okay I finished watching this and I am definitely a feminine woman. I have learned from experience that when you end up with an oppressive man, it brings out rebellion. I think it’s important to find a man that appreciates femininity, and not want to shut it down.

[@la-vaillante]

Great conversations! Everyone was so emotionally mature and respectful of the other’s opinion ♡

[@DarHTC3d]

Great Conversation! S/O to all the ladies on the panel who were respectful & full of decorum. Part 2, please!!

[@drdafshow]

Another one next week 💕

[@jucxox]

Congrats on the show Dr Daft! What a great conversation. I love hearing women speak about their differences experiences and share their own world views.

[@sleepy-peepy]

So many potential contributions toward society from women have been lost to time because a woman who may have had an interest in medicine, law, the arts, or sciences was told it was not their "role" to contribute in that way.

[@Valdeeezy]

Mrs.Maggie is the best! Love your energy! Very elegant

[@portialeivette]

This was such an eye opener. Thank you to the women that shared. I'm grateful for having a choice. Loved this. ❤❤

[@Wura_]

When I hear people say things like "feminists have failed them" or something harsh like that, I actually smile and pray that their life never gets difficult. I do not live in the US, but I don't think anyone wants to make their life hard. It's about the choices and the environment you're in. If you are privileged enough to live in a place where you haven't faced real oppression, you might want to lean into a more "feminine" side as a woman. But when you find yourself in a place, environment, or country that truly oppresses you, you'll realize that you're far from wanting to embrace just feminine energy. I believe all responses are the result of personal experience, at least for reasonable people. There are already people who bear the burden of taking care of their families, working tirelessly, and having their rights violated by their husbands. How can you see this happening so much and not advocate for women's choices? In the end, I'm happy for women who can be feminine and have good men who support them without eventually taking them for granted. I am also happy for women who fight their way through all the burdens that would have been theirs anyway, and have sorted them the best way they could. And I pray for women who are still genuinely oppressed, that they break free. If some people lived in a country where women are truly oppressed, you wouldn't even want them to bring a child into this world-you would want them to have a choice.

[@Himmiefan]

Good points!

[@Celestialdoing]

There's something so interesting about the fact that the white ladies on the panel are the feminists and the Black ladies are the feminine. This episode also shows how history, culture and economics are all at play in these conversations and contexts.

[@drdafshow]

We did have others that signed up (which would have provided more balance), however, they were unable to make it to set at the last minute.

[@CoilyCode]

Watching! I will say, when we talk about gender pay gaps, I really wish someone could zoom in and understand why this is the case. It’s not a situation of institutions purposely paying women less. We need to look at what specific jobs or careers, positions, schooling, skill sets, work hours, time off, etc that contributes to what is seen as gender inequality. Are we also talking about construction jobs (mostly men) or nursing (mostly women). And when discussing this, (not targeted to you Dr. Daf) we need to bring in the FULL picture. 6:23 what equality please? I want to know where these disparities are happening because oftentimes, feminist bring up these beautiful words, but in WESTERN society, where exactly is the disparity? In corporate jobs? 9:37 this is why women get burned out. Also, why is the “workforce” the only argument that the feminist bring up? 14:54 👏👏👏👏👏 I will say, not that color matters to me, but it can’t be ignored that the feminine women were mainly black and the feminist were white. Why did this pique my interest? Black women are often portrayed as being masculine. I don’t know if these ladies were all handpicked or randomized, but I’m curious. I will say, femininity has so many facets and there’s not ONE standard style and grace of femininity. For example, (23:22) choosing to not wear makeup does not make a woman less feminine anymore than wearing makeup makes you feminine. It truly is the nature God placed in us, naturally. What we have without enhancements. It’s the complement to masculinity. As a feminine woman, with a masculine husband, all the things feminist think they’re fighting for, can actually be found in a beautiful godly marriage. Hence, GODLY. My husband and I are one, a team, partners, lovers, friends. We pursue purpose together and that companionship is what I prize. God never made us to be in competition with men, and men with us. We were made to work together because we are complements… where men are weak, women are strong. Where women are weak, men are strong. And when we work together, as God intended, so many beautiful things happen in the world. Lastly, being feminine does not mean you don’t have a voice. I think many white women were silenced for so long in pre 70s America, and responded to that silence or oppression with bitterness and resentment. Black women were not only silenced but refused the opportunity to even be a housewife when it was a “thing” due to the other hurdles and now respond with femininity coaching, courses, etc. Our world is in so much pain and I look forward to the day Jesus comes back and makes it right for us all.

[@advbiblicalfem]

I did notice that about race even the feminine women who I watch two of them are black and one is white and black. They are the only feminine women who I follow who teach femininity. I also totally agree with what you said about men and women were not designed by God to compete with each other. We need each other and us being different helps us to live in harmony. Competition doesn’t. Men have some strengths over women i.e. leadership and women have some strengths over men i.e. gentleness. Femininity is not a weakness on our part as women because it’s our inherited God given nature. It’s our strength because it’s the way God designed us. Lastly, I believe being feminine doesn’t mean you don’t have a voice. We as women just speak when it is appropriate to speak and speak in an appropriate way. I believe we strive in peace and tranquility as 1 Peter 3:4 says because we have a quiet and gentle spirit. Amen to Jesus coming back and making it all right!

[@Himmiefan]

Unfortunately, many people, particularly conservative relgion (any conservative religion), have sought to keep women from having a voice.

[@viktorijabogdanaite5167]

Tbh what I alway miss in feminism discussions is an understanding that life before industrial revolution was extremely different, where both women and men worked but they worked for their families and in different ways. Also, as someone in the comment mentioned, pay gap is due to different career choices men and women make most of the times. Was there abuse for women before? Of course, but so is today. How many women are unhappy or on antidepressants TODAY? Something worth mentioning. I also miss acknowledging how feminism actually impacted society on different ways, not only positive. Abortion, sexual immorality, baby mama culture, rates of divorce etc. And would be nice to bring God into it. This world is an unjust place and it will never be perfect, and no earthly ideology can ensure this perfect existence. And lastly, I want to comment on this common "but you have choice now" argument. No, many of women don't have a choice. We are pushed to college education and workforce and it's really difficult to escape it. Economy is set up in a way that it requires 2 incomes (and as I mentioned, after industrial revolution people don't work for their household anymore - it means you'll need to go out and work for someone else probably), so unless you have affluent family, very few women have this "choice"

[@Christian80806]

I LOVE Mrs. Maggie!!!! She is a national treasure ❤❤❤❤

[@aidadiack41]

LOVE LOVE LOVEEEEE Part 2 pleaseeeeee

[@drdafshow]

Another one next week, but different topic 💕

[@aidadiack41]

@ yessssssssss!!

[@candaceyoung7498]

This is brilliant ❤

[@swanvaldez]

Its a ven diagram not a bridge and really should be about right to stability within the working class. No war but class war