Christianity as Sympathetic Magic

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@luisechevarria186 5 ай бұрын

This sounds like a sort of external placebo effect. When it comes to our body we know the placebo effect can be very powerful. I wonder if with the correct type of conviction, if the sway over internal material processes can be externalized.

@Catholic-Perennialist 5 ай бұрын

@@luisechevarria186 I think that much we attribute to religion is only the power of suggestion.

@HunnysPlaylists 4 ай бұрын

@@Catholic-Perennialist CS Lewis: “The Life-Force is a sort of tame God. You can switch it on when you want, but it will not bother you. All the thrills of religion and none of the cost. Is the Life-Force the greatest achievement of wishful thinking the world has yet seen?”

@HunnysPlaylists 4 ай бұрын

@@Catholic-Perennialist you cannot sneer away The Church's Authority and give it to yourself by bullying. just because bullying got you to this point doesn't mean it works on Us.

@exquofonte 5 ай бұрын

The world is indeed more interesting and magical than we realize, I believe. Never thought about it in regards the sacraments, but that makes sense! This brings to mind Jean Gebser's work where he distinguishes various consciousness structures of peoples in history, one of them being the 'magical' consciousness structure. You might find his book 'The Ever-Present Origin' of value

@Catholic-Perennialist 5 ай бұрын

@@exquofonte thanks for the recommendation. I will check that out 👍

@HunnysPlaylists 4 ай бұрын

Again, Belloc on you: "Now the Manichean was so overwhelmed by the experience or prospect of suffering and by the appalling fact that his nature was subject to mortality, that he took refuge in denying the omnipotent goodness of a Creator. He said that evil was at work in the universe just as much as good; the two principles were always fighting as equals one against the other. Man was subject to the one just as much as to the other. If he could struggle at all he should struggle to join the good principle and avoid the power of the bad principle, but he must treat evil as an all-powerful thing. The Manichean recognized an evil god as well as a good god, and he attuned his mind to that appalling conception. Such a mood bred all sorts of secondary effects. In some men it would lead to devil worship, in many more to magic, that is a dependence on something other than one's own free will, to tricks by which we might stave off the evil power or cheat it. It also led, paradoxically enough, to the doing of a great deal of evil deliberately, and saying either that it could not be helped or that it did not matter, because we were in any case under the thrall of a thing quite as strong as the power for good and we might as well act accordingly. But one thing the Manichean of every shade has always felt, and that is, that matter belongs to the evil side of things. Though there may be plenty of evil of a spiritual kind yet good must be wholly spiritual. That is something you find not only in the early Manichean, not only in the Albigensian of the Middle Ages, but even in the most modern of the remaining Puritans. It seems indissolubly connected with the Manichean temper in every form. Matter is subject to decay and is therefore evil. Our bodies are evil. Their appetites are evil. This idea ramifies into all sorts of absurd details. Wine is evil. Pretty well any physical pleasure, or half-physical pleasure, is evil. Joy is evil. Beauty is evil. Amusements are evil-and so on. Anyone who will read the details of the Albigensian story will be struck over and over again by the singularly modern attitude of these ancient heretics, because they had the same root as the Puritans who still, unhappily, survive among us."

@exquofonte 5 ай бұрын

Sympathetic magic might relate to Jung's concept of synchronicity. Just read Jung's book on synchronicity and Bernardo Kastrup's chapter on it in his book on Jung. Kastrup says that "the physical world organizes itself along archetypal correspondences of meaning, which break down the barrier between world and psyche." Jung said that "Synchronicity could be understood as an ordering system by means of which 'similar' things coincide, without there being any apparent 'cause.'"

@Catholic-Perennialist 5 ай бұрын

@@exquofonte I like to think of it as the "hackable" cosmos

@exquofonte 5 ай бұрын

@@Catholic-Perennialist hmm, yes that makes some sense really. The idea that 'causality is to synchronicity as Newtonian mechanics is to quantum physics' or that 'Causal regularities are just discernible local contours of much more subtle, global patterns of similarity in nature' is highly intriguing. I suppose astrology is basically just what you said-- a kind of 'hacking into' the system allowing access to our 'programming'

@Catholic-Perennialist 5 ай бұрын

@@exquofonte I'll be doing some videos in the near future on kabbalistic cosmogeny and how the spiritual manifests into the physical. I think rational answers are to be found in the work of Dion Fortune

@byzantinedeacon 5 ай бұрын

Interesting, I think we don't see magic like the ancient people. It was real science for them. You left out a big one. The serpent on the Pole. I actually just made a video on it that you might be interested in.

@Catholic-Perennialist 5 ай бұрын

@@byzantinedeacon Excellent example. The scriptures really are full of them, and it's hard to see how any form of Christianity could function within a strictly rational framework. Yes, in antiquity there was no real separation between the natural and the super natural

@HunnysPlaylists 4 ай бұрын

@@Catholic-Perennialist supernatural - above or outside of Nature. the difference is in the name, most undear midwestern midwit who found a crystal rubbing girl online.

@Catholic-Perennialist 4 ай бұрын

@@HunnysPlaylists 😂

@HunnysPlaylists 4 ай бұрын

@@Catholic-Perennialist Virtue makes vice uncomfortable.