Q & A Part 1: Catholicism, V2, Francis, Ammon Hillman, etc.

[@cdmille55]

Also they are revealing there methods knowing we are hooked by our fascination. Revelation of the method. Conjuction of opposites.

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@cdmille55 Exactly. At no time has so much been revealed publicly

[@exquofonte]

Looking forward to your thoughts on Langan in the next one

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@exquofonte look for that this weekend 👍

[@didymussumydid9726]

Didn’t get a notification; had to check your channel to see if this was recorded

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@didymussumydid9726 I'm vigorously suppressed by the algo. Even subscribers cannot always see my uploads.

[@Dreams-Awakened]

@Catholic-Perennialist finally got to my part at question number 6! 🤣 Thank you for taking the time to respond and hope this response isn't too long. I can certainly understand how the question may seem a bit trivial or insignificant, but there is much behind this question. I could use your own examples speaking of the sorcerers in high power who seek to contort this world to their own means, or people like Ammon Hillman that you express to be propped up by those in power. I could even point to your examples of massive institutions like NASA faking space travel. We could look at the rise of LGBT and this idea of embracing pride in sexuality and gender dysphoria. Or shit dude, just look at things happening in the world like the Gotthard tunnel opening ceremony, the Olympic opening ceremony, 9/11, etc. I absolutely love your work, but I do tend to lean a bit more radically in the idea that Satan holds a bit more precedence than merely being a tool of God or an aggregate force of human minds. Even by your own emphasis of Ammon being a Satanist, what would be the significance of emphasizing this point if it truly mattered not to those who avoid the dark arts? While this question was certainly just a primer, the true point was to uncover what the ultimate goal would be for these sorcerers you speak of. Whether you think the sorcerers in power are cut from a completely different cloth than Ammon or wear the same garb, you seem to dub these both as Satanic. So what then would be the significance of this? What does it mean to serve Satan if you're not even sure how he exists? To me, it seems he is an accuser or adversary to God that some seek to place above Him. A sort of spiritual war that we are taking part in. The idea that the battles of faith described in the Bible continue today and while we are told the prophets of Baal received no answer from their gods at Mount Carmel, I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest these entities or forces at least hold influence. I think Zachariah 5:1-5:11 makes this pretty clear. While I, too, am a firm believer in Christ, something about these events of sorcery in the world and throughout history strike me to my core. What is their purpose? What means does it serve beyond their own interests and those of their group? If God is all-knowing, it seems rather counterintuitive to need to 'test' people through some accuser on a leash. And even more confusing to banish His children from the Garden of Eden after tempting them with his own tool. I think it makes much more sense if God banished His children because the temptation of Satan actually poses some form of threat to His creation. I think this would explain the significance of the prophets challenging those of Baal or Moloch. I think this also gives some explanation to who or what the woman in that basket really represents. If worshipping false gods simply means the combined population of a few small countries will not get to enter heaven, I don't think there would've been a woman in a basket called 'wickedness' to be brought to babylon. I think God would properly diagnose these people as simply lost or confused. But instead, there seems to be this repititive personification of the forces which oppose God. I think Aliester Crowley and Alice Bailey, as well as Ammon, certainly believe in such forces.

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@Dreams-Awakened Ironically, many Satanists do not believe in Satan. They believe in their absolute right to act apart from God's law. It's a worship of the will and they use Satan's anthem of "Non Serviam" as a battlecry. The reality of Satan as a personal force is optional. As far as the end game is concerned, Bjerknes paints a bleak picture, but it's ultimately an attempt to check-mate God such that the apocalypse is pre-empted and a transhumanized ruling class reign forever over robots and the few slaves they keep the handful of things robots can't do. The utilize the left hand path because it's more powerful than goodness. Think of the corruption of Anakin Skywalker, or the temptation of the Ring in Tolkien. Evil is powerful but destroys the user. Men take up the evil path for power, believing that they're strong enough to be the exception, but there are no exceptions.

[@NathanielJ.Franco]

8:35 that's a contradiction.

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@NathanielJ.Franco Nuance

[@Laj-t9k]

40:48 🤣 Indeed

[@cdmille55]

Ammon is initiating the public into gnostism

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@cdmille55 Yes, the worst type. A purely satanic gnosis

[@cdmille55]

@Catholic-Perennialist they thought he was possessed... at the university he taught at. Maybe he was.... he has openly declared he is not a member of any secret society

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@cdmille55 He appears to be under the influence of something, be it chemical or spiritual.

[@NathanielJ.Franco]

​@@Catholic-Perennialist Ali Rowan knows all the details. Yes those in his inner circle shave their heads for him and are weeded out of they are not on board with sadism en toto. He actively avoids public debate and runs a successful cult of personality.

[@exquofonte]

Your explanation of Catholics was great 😂 “only really weird Catholics talk to each other about theology” This is why I left evangelicalism and am basically satisfied in the Catholic tent

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@exquofonte I recommend that course of action for all disgruntled Bapto-gelicals. I went from fundy-evangelical, to Reformed Baptist, to lutheranism, which is just a gateway drug to Rome. Catholicism represents the most stable era of my religious existence.

[@exquofonte]

@@Catholic-Perennialist And as Tomberg shows, Catholicism can be stretched to be inclusive of more esotericism than one might at first think. Looking forward to your review of that whenever you finish

[@BryanKirch]

Have you studied Valentin Tomberg at all?

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@BryanKirch I'm about 2/3 through his book on Tarot. Brilliant man. He's changed my whole outlook on religion.

[@BryanKirch]

@@Catholic-Perennialist yeah I studied Steiner for years and then became internally torn between my unlikely spiritual movement towards Catholicism and I was stuck in this internal dilemma. After I reconciled things I came across Tomberg and realized he had a similar path. That book is one of the few books where I read it and my heart is being sung to at such a profound level.

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@BryanKirch I've been torn between two worlds without a means to cleanly reconcile them, but Thomberg has kept me within the faith. Another name that may interest you is Augustino Taumatergo. He is a traditional catholic bishop that interprets practical catholicism as theurgy.

[@BryanKirch]

@@Catholic-Perennialist I’ve personally come to experience it as the Fullness of Truth as the fullness and culmination of Truth. All elements of Truth being distilled into a singular universal faith with the ultimate sacrifice. His body is true food. I’ve directly experienced him in the Eucharist to my surprise. It’s by far the hardest time to be Catholic My occult background was only deepened by the True faith. The beauty is that all people at all levels of initiation can partake in the mass simultaneously at all levels of consciousness. God asks us to sacrifice all we have (which is nothing) to give us all he has (which is everything) Have you read Christ the eternal tao? I’ll look into the bishop. Thank you.

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@BryanKirch I have not read the Eternal Tao, but I will look into it

[@carlose4314]

The Church did not reject her teachings at Vatican II.

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@carlose4314 John C. Pontrello demonstrates that on the point of ecumenism, the church certainly has modified its historic position.

[@danlds17]

Ammon says that biblical Hebrew only has about 8,000 unique words, while Classical Greek has > 100,000. And he says that there are no historical references to the OT Hebrew existing before c. 300 BC (Hecataeus of Abdera being the 1st known reference). And the Jews living in Elephantine (evidenced via letters to/from Jerusalem) apparently didn't know anything about The Law, Moses, Abraham, David, etc. Thus, he thinks that the Septuagint was written first, and then the OT Hebrew was (clumsily) translated from the Greek (since going the other direction would've been nearly impossible based upon the "relative sophistication" of the Greek). And he says that Hebrew was already a dead language by 300 BC., and was only revived in the middle ages. This theory is what I found most interesting. The "lestes" thing does get beaten to death, and there's probably not that much evidence for it (see Mark 14:51). I think when he says "hail Satan", it's sort of a statement of independence, defiance, being a free thinker, etc. I don't think he worships Satan (if he even believes in Satan); rather, he seems much more in tune with the Greek gods. He's still bitter about the fact that for his thesis in Classics, he was mandated to remove all references to "routine hallucinogenic usage". His most enduring written work is called "The Chemical Muse". Others who have proposed these ideas have been e.g. John Allegro.

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@danlds17 The Hebrew Bible is a product of the exile and post exile. It references internally several books, no longer extant, that served as source material for what would ultimately become the Old Testament. Moses is a later tradition grafted in by the southern israelites, so any diasporic group, such as at Elephantine, would have neither the law nor a strong monotheism. The paucity of hebrew vocabulary is a non-issue. Were the case reversed, a Hebrew Bible back-translated from the Septuagint would be radically more difficult. Many Satanists do not believe in Satan. Ammon likely does not believe in Satan, but Ammon is nevertheless a Satanist, and I think there is enough evidence to convict on that point. But what is more concerning is his cult following. I don't have much use for Ammon, but his version of "shock-scholarship" is beginning to go mainstream, and it really shouldn't.

[@Dreams-Awakened]

​@@Catholic-PerennialistI asked you about Ammon Hillman as well. Completely agree with your interpretation of him and I think I agree with the above commentor that his most compelling claim is that the Hebrew language doesn't contain enough unique words to be translated to Greek. Your rebuttal to this is very interesting.

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@Dreams-Awakened I've done a lot of translation. Complex languages express simple ideas in simple terms all the time. Just pick up any children's book. The real difficulty would be to express complexity with a primitive language, like writing an academic article with a child's vocabulary. This is why back-translating from Greek into Hebrew is the least likely scenario. Ammon is a charlatan

[@Dreams-Awakened]

@Catholic-Perennialist I really liked your example using the English language with words like testimony and infantry. People like Ammon and Gnostic Informant are really pushing this narrative heavy in the occult research space on KZbin. When doing my own research, I came across their channels multiple times and it's much harder to find channels like yours. Especially when parsing from the more modern Christians who seem to believe in prosperity over true divinity.

[@didymussumydid9726]

Oh god, it ate my second comment. This website often succeeds in demoralizing me

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@didymussumydid9726 I have to spell sensitive words in γρεεκ σκριπτ just to say some of the most benign shιτ.

[@didymussumydid9726]

@@Catholic-Perennialist anyhow, i wrote a long paragraph agreeing with you on the difficulty of confronting total nonsense and argued that it is the mark of great orators and politicians to respond to nonsense by quickly reframing and then resuming their established arguments. then i wrote another paragraph about the abbe roca: i think he and his successors created a viable political coalition between left-wing (ecumenist/modernist) catholics hierarchs and right-wing (socially conservative) masons, isolating both the traditionalist catholics and the anti-clerical masons. sort of like the "washington consensus" between neoliberals and neoconservatives which pushed the far left and far right out of influence in american politics. i hope this goes through

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@didymussumydid9726 That's a likely scenario concerning Roca's cohort, but much of this must have went undocumented, or must be inferred. He's not an inspiration anyone would speak of openly in council. What also must be considered is the role of Western intelligence services in forging a geopolitical tool out of the Vatican. The changes within the Church coincided with societal changes felt elsewhere. Such changes were not organic. Western intelligence was born out of esoteric fraternities, so there's no real contradiction there, but I just want to account for all the players. What is also important is to reframe the identity of the Church as one that is subject to political and ideological forces. Or to put it another way, the Church is capable of producing a bad council and likely has done so more than once in the past. Many things about V2 harmed the Church, but I'm not sure it has been any more damaged than by the Avignon papacy or the Reformation, or that the actors then were any less nefarious than those at present.

[@ineedtostopwatchingyoutube5211]

The more truth you tell the more is deleted. Demoralization has truly overtaken me and I do not really know how to come back

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@ineedtostopwatchingyoutube5211 I feel you. I find solace in small communities. Spengler identified our time as an end. Our job is to simply survive till the new beginning. You cannot awaken most people, unfortunately.