Christianity on Trial: Is Faith Reasonable? | John Lennox at University of Pennsylvania

[@curiousgeorge555]

Imagine having John Lennox as your next door neighbor. Imagine having John Lennon as your next door neighbor. I'm a Beatles fan but I choose Lennox Eight Days a Week.

[@DavidinSLO]

When John Lennox spoke at UCLA in 2011, during the Q&A someone from the audience made an off handed mention of the lyrics from the Beatles song “I am a walrus” … Dr Lennox - ever the scientist - had no idea what the song or lyrics were. Pretty great.

[@johnnafunkhouser5999]

Not even close💙Lennox!

[@jensswales]

well, tomorrow never knows..

[@madelynhernandez7453]

I would be over at Lennox house picking his brain. I have so many topics I would love to have his insight on. Most of spiritual matters for me but they are also tied with science.

[@UniteAgainstEvil]

The damage the Beatles done bringing in new age practices is very detrimental.. I wouldn't entertain meeting them if I was paid to.

[@matthewaustin9790]

"Dear God, I know I’m a sinner, and I ask for your forgiveness. I believe Jesus Christ is Your Son. I believe that He died for my sin and that you raised Him to life. I want to trust Him as my Savior and follow Him as Lord, from this day forward. Guide my life and help me to do your will. I pray this in the name of Jesus. Amen." Did your pray this prayer?

[@darcksn0w]

To me personally, Science is an effort by a feeble human to understand greatness of God. I believe in this effort. so far this effort has strengthened my faith in God.

[@supermikeb]

Really? Even after nearly all of the Earth's 650 religions sided with science and admitted Evolution is a fact? Do you feel betrayed by them? The Catholic Church finally said Darwin was right in 2008. Are you angry with them for knocking yet another leg from under your table?

[@fretnesbutke3233]

There are points in the pro column of The Age of Reason. For starters, I'd believe we found germ theory is more effective at fighting disease than exorcism and witch burnings. It seems the value of empirical thought can't be honestly discounted. From the Christian perspective, Logic was one of God's prime and most ancient laws:"In the beginning was the Word" (translated from the Greek, Logos). God built our faculty of logic into our minds before we could invent writing,which eventually resulted in the sacred scriptures you so revere.

[@2l84me8]

Science is an ongoing process that gets us results. Your faith is no different from wishful thinking and delusion thoughts.

[@AlSwearengen4]

​@@2l84me8Who's arguing against science?

[@2l84me8]

@@AlSwearengen4 Usually the religious , anti vaxxers, and the flat earthers. They usually adopt christianity.

[@larrylaye9276]

To the young lady who is smitten with the wisdom shared by this man: The feelings of comfort that you feel are fruits of the truth shared in love. This man's ability to speak are given unto him for he has found favor from The Father. Truth is like a wool coat on a cold snowy day. A Lie is like a wool coat worn on a hot summer day.

[@ericjohnson6665]

Thanks. I'm stealing that line about wool coats. 😉

[@2l84me8]

The church should really stop lying then.

[@zin5650]

John is awesome! Thank you as always John.

[@usagination]

Who's the interviewer? Very respectful conversation ☺️

[@jerrywebb9614]

Pure genius..His mind is incredible.John Lennox beat Christopher Hitchens in a debate and that is so hard to do..

[@2l84me8]

No he didn’t. John never once demonstrated any gods existed, let alone his favorite one. And hasn’t explained why believing without evidence is somehow rational.

[@johnc4624]

Wonderful - as always with Dr Lennox. I would say that science's ULTIMATE achievement is not to understand, but to understand that it DOESNT understand. (Since discovery raises two new problems, we are NOT getting closer to omniscience but rather being getting further away)

[@focusedvegetable3655]

It is surprising to me that some many colorful comments are posted here. If they do not like John Lennox why do they listen to his conversations. I like him and I will listen to him. No human being alive or dead will change their mind so why do they waste their time writing mean comments about him.

[@thearamsay9578]

I think science can tell us some things like behavioural psychology and how things work. But I would hesitate to claim that it could tell us how everything got here. If John Lennox were my next-door neighbor, I would enjoy engaging him in lively conversation about that.

[@honawikeepa5813]

"Their is no other way for us to arrive at concepts that shed light on the glory of God, who transcends the world, except we apprehend God's work in the world." Adolf Schlatter 1852-1938.

[@ingenuity168]

Science has the large Hadron collider, religion has icons. 😁

[@achristfollowingturnbullma8237]

I need this man to debate a Muslim a good one preferably Sheikh Uthman ibn farooq

[@WizzRacing]

I find most people reject the idea of the Hebrew God. Is for personnel reasons. Not one based on Logical and Analytical thinking.. And I'm not religious. But I see enough evidence to support what Jesus Christ said was true. As it has lasted for over 2000+ years. No other person in history, had such an impact on the world then him..

[@vhawk1951kl]

The relevance of " most people" being? Look up the fallacy argumentum ad populum and see if you can understand why it is a fallacy.

[@GoCanucks2011]

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.

[@johnnafunkhouser5999]

Thanks so much. This is like food. Really nourishing food

[@EduardoRodriguez-du2vd]

Lennox affirms that no certainty is absolute. He immediately contradicts himself and declares that since no one considers that torturing a child is positive, that moral conviction would be absolute. But hundreds of known crimes contradict this assertion. Common faith (the conviction that something unlikely will happen) is not the same as religious faith (the conviction that something impossible will happen). The latter will never be reasonable by definition.

[@rochellecaffee1417]

1 Corinthians 15 is explained logically and thoroughly by Dr. Voddie Baucham, explaining Paul’s evidence in “order”. But Romans 10 explains that one must believe in our OWN HEART, and speak that He IS LORD, with his mouth, will be saved. Don’t get “lost” in the details, but keep the main focus on the “principle” that is in question. Ask questions of those who disagree, so that “they” can see what/why “they”believe what they do believe. Jesus wants us to think. We all must make a choice about what/who is our Authority for God, ethical, moral laws. Romans 12:2.😊❤

[@rochellecaffee1417]

You two are very clear and understand the implications of no protection of minds who seek TRUTH. It IS there. But our cultural problem, is “truth” and “love” are being pitted against each other. However, you don’t have to know ALL TRUTH, to defend it as a 1st point, and love as a 2nd point of need. Truth always defends “God is Love”, but as we can see, “love” can not defend Truth. The idea of “love” has been distorted by people who do not believe Truth.

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

Amen Dr John Lennox! Like God's word said that Jesus himself said I seen Satan fall from heaven like lightning so Satan disappeared out of heaven just like shutting the light switch off there goes the light.

[@thesuitablecommand]

I think there are certain things which we can know with absolute certainty. For example, you can be absolutely certain that you exist in some way, shape, or form. Similarly, you can be absolutely certain that the fundamental makeup of the universe is sufficient to produce the experiences you experience.

[@michaelbrickley2443]

There is a great article online, Arguments Why God (very probably) Exists

[@johnnafunkhouser5999]

Great!

[@VirtualTripper]

Absolutley

[@scottm4042]

Can we be 100% certain that we were not created yesterday, with all our thoughts, and memories put in our brain? I would say we can not be 100% certain, but pretty close. Reality says that we can trust most of our experiences, but we do look for the best explanations. And I am a Christian, and my experiences tell me that Jesus is the Truth, and the Way to heaven. But, everyone has faith, and worships something, or someone. And it is the Holy Spirit that opens the eyes of our understanding about Truth.

[@jamesrobertson6255]

Not only is faith reasonable its absolutely necessary for eternal life! Just read, John 5:24. Are you people of mere flesh and blood, questioning a Deity?

[@bartbannister394]

I see, being unreasonable is reasonable. I'll buy that!

[@thesuitablecommand]

I am a person of flesh and blood, questioning the claims of other people of flesh and blood

[@jamesrobertson6255]

@@thesuitablecommand that’s ok, but we don’t question the Bible

[@thesuitablecommand]

@@jamesrobertson6255 well, asking questions is the beginning of learning. But it's your prerogative as to whether you want to learn

[@AtheismActually]

Positive evidence needed for this deity existing in the first place.

[@AlmoravidsAlmohadsDynastie]

Question to Christians : What did Judas do with the 30 pieces of silver that he was given to betray Jesus? Did he threw the silver into the temple and left.. or did he purchased a field with it ?

[@kbeetles]

Whatever he did or did not do - he hanged himself.

[@AlmoravidsAlmohadsDynastie]

@@kbeetles I thought he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out !!

[@vhawk1951kl]

Nothing wrong with faith, it is *Belief* that is the great stupidity and weakness but not all are capable of understanding that faith and belief are act_Opposites*

[@Stylishlivingfinds]

Sounds fundamental and many points taken but I bet to differ on Christmas trees, and I'd love his take on the Sabbath

[@fredferd2649]

Nope!

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

Totally agree with Dr John on the evolution thing. Because you can make change and evolve but you can also make change and unevolve. Like words, spellings being changed evolving. But it's still after it's kind and original meaning and definition. Plume which now we just use the word feather, for an example.

[@mwest1207]

In fact, using only chance and unguided processes, the chances are much more likely the system will degrade, rather than improve.

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

@@mwest1207 EVOLVE, v.t. evolv'. [L. evolvo; e and volvo, to roll; Eng. to wallow.] 1. To unfold; to open and expand. The animal soul sooner evolves itself to its full orb and extent than the human soul. 2. To throw out; to emit. EVOLVE, v.i. To open itself; to disclose itself.

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

@@mwest1207 God's word is a guided process.

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

@@mwest1207 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. Genesis 1:6 KJV

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

@@mwest1207 FIRMAMENT, n. ferm'ament. [L. firmamentum, from firmus, firmo.] The region of the air; the sky or heavens. In scripture, the word denotes an expanse, a wide extent; for such is the signification of the Hebrew word, coinciding with regio, region, and reach. The original therefore does not convey the sense of solidity, but of stretching, extension; the great arch or expanse over our heads, in which are placed the atmosphere and the clouds, and in which the stars appear to be placed, and are really seen. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. Gen. 1:6. And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament. Ibum. 1:14.

[@gregoryherrerajr.1822]

Subscribed, thank you, The Veritas Forum..

[@oliverjamito9902]

Is like indeed something is truly preserved to all. Many will say I seen everything and I have everything! Therefore I need nothing! The fallen will say? Among themselves who puts curses to one another. I need nothing! Not knowing before anyone who have breathe upon all dry GROUNDS! 1st. Have to be given life!!!!!!! Beloved you and me should be asking? Can you give me life again God? A child will say. Showed it the 1st time already! Why asked God can do it again beloved? 1st. Have to be given life. To even have the privilege to uttered words beloved! Nor have the privilege to be able to glorify the creations and yet to come beloved. Used these 2. 1st. Love God by becoming a child with sincere conversations. So you and me may know why is vital! 2nd. Love thy neighbors as thyself. Is like before moving forward beloved! Come as you are. Indeed who is worth more than anything nor everything that exists! For all things that exists indeed God made just for you. Is like who else will glorify the creations without you beloved? The TREE IS KNOWN BY IT'S FRUITS. Remember thy FEETS beloved is YESHUA Jesus's christ FEETS beloved! To some will say? How and why? Sincere conversations availeth much indeed. To my beloved beautiful sisters washing thy feet and wiping thy tears from thy eyes. Make more beautiful sisters like you!

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

Let's break down the word biology. Bi Meaning two. Ology ,the study of. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1 KJV God's word gives us the study of two. He starts off with biology. Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel. Knowledge of Good and evil.

[@ryanperez8179]

You're a sinner in need of a savior Jesus Christ is waiting Today is the day of salvation Jesus lives Jesus Christ is Lord Jesus loves you repent Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

See scapegoating to me, is basically trying to pass blame ,and not holding your hand up and acknowledging your accountability. Not having faith which is not having belief and trust in acknowledging what is right and wrong. You see Adam tried to pass the blame on the Eve being a coward. But bottom line he himself was accountable for not acknowledging the command that God gave him. So then God had mercy and Grace and gave us an early learning time to where it's appointed for all men to die once and then after this is the judgment. But with our belief and trust in the son of God Jesus Christ who also is God and what he did on the cross forgives us for our not knowing our ignorance. All you ask is for acknowledgment and he will acknowledge you and give you the guidance and the wisdom and the training in the way that you should go and to show.

[@AtheismActually]

His view of evolution is all over the place. A deity who's going to pop into deterministic natural evolutionary processes every few million years to drop a nucleic acid every now and then might as well just create the whole thing in one shot. Make up your mind.

[@mikegyver3193]

When was Lucifer’s fall? Lucifer in Heaven yet Satan in the garden of Eden. Time pasted 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@josephmustonen884]

Read Job in the in the Bible

[@mikegyver3193]

@@josephmustonen884 Job 38 & Jude But Genesis 1:2 has water in the universe with the Spirit of God surrounding it. The water is dark. This Before the creation story 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@jamesrobertson6255]

Read the names and their meaning! The Morning star to start with, and then Satan …..Deceiver or adversary

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"When was Lucifer’s fall?" Tuesday afternoon at 1537. He got back up shortly afterward with no visible injury.

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

LeBron made his little idols that Rachel sat on top of that she took from her father whenever he came chasing after Jacob. Just to give validation to their father making those idols more than likely a child is going to follow along in the Father's footsteps.

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

Not necessarily the deep things of math but it still gives us mathematics I mean one and one is two. Plus it gives us the fact that it takes two to even make one. And then with the measurement of cubits it gives us a rough estimation. The Bible even gives us counting and keeping track of ones life. It gives us this plus that will equal this.

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

Lazarus was one that was brought back to life there was a girl that was brought back to life. In the Old testament Elijah brought somebody back to life.

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

The Joseph from Genesis had dreams and had to interpret dreams. Daniel interpreted Nebuchadnezzar's dreams. Jacob had a dream in a place where he seen Angels going up and down.

[@GodwardPodcast]

Based.

[@2l84me8]

No. Faith is not reasonable because literally anything can be taken on faith. If you actually had evidence, you wouldn’t need to fall back in faith at all. You’d just present the actual evidence instead.

[@vhawk1951kl]

You have no idea what faith is and are thus in no position to remark upon that of which you have no experience and no idea that faith and belief are*exact_pposites*, the former being s subtle psychological skill and the latter being a form of dreaming snd source of foolishness and passivity.

[@2l84me8]

@@vhawk1951kl Here is some attention. Now get lost.

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@2l84me8 Oho, such swagger from such a small mouse

[@JAM609]

“Science isn’t perfect, so my irrational faith is just as good!”

[@immanuel829]

Said who?

[@JAM609]

@@immanuel829 I’m summarizing everyone who tries to downplay science to pretend that it’s as unreliable as faith despite lack of evidence

[@immanuel829]

@@JAM609 Naturalism is a belief, too. Your thoughts alone show that you are more than a bunch of chemicals 😊

[@JAM609]

@@immanuel829no my thoughts are chemical reactions. Prove its not natural

[@CanarinhoEJCD]

@@JAM609 Please, discuss this in person with people who can answer you. No debate will be fruitful in the comment sessions of random sites with unorganized comment orders. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6uZg5WZeLesoas

[@urso3000]

If you really want to know: the beginning of everything, how life began, the age of the earth and everything else, start with Genesis chapter one, or stay clueless walking behind evolutionary fables created by a man with rudimentary knowledge of science.

[@garyavey1822]

My dear John I agree with much of what you say but in pure mathematics three does NOT go into one Jesus refers to Jehovah as his God and Father John 20:17 ) Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”Jesus is the only begotten Son of God ,Jehovah is his Almighty God and Father. Psalm 110:1 Then Acts 2:34-36 ) For David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand 35 until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”’ 36 Therefore, let all the house of Israel know for a certainty that God made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you executed on a stake.”

[@truincanada]

You need to check your equation chappy, because, and get this, 1 x1 x1 =1.

[@fretnesbutke3233]

I'm no longer a Christian,but I so appreciate Professor Lennox. He's a thinking man's Christian,and is a true apologist who operates on an even playing field using the same cognitive tools of logic that an Atheist would,and with love and respect. I'm so glad he's there. You may wonder why I'm not a Christian. Whatever your faith or ethical philosophy,a commitment to truth must be primary. I've known too many who embrace falsehood for faith. Whatever your belief,teach by example first.

[@vhawk1951kl]

The pork chop is no christian; he does not have the ingredients, and *there_are* no christians any more than there are can can-stand-on-their-own-shoulders_ians, and the pork chop is certainly no christian.

[@RenaWith]

I love listening to John ❤️❤️ and the hoast is very nice too🙂❤️

[@madeinusa5395]

The three part brain theory which holds there is a Top part of the brain, which mainly controls the hair; a Bottom part which attaches the brain to the scull; and the all important Middle part which attaches the Top part to the Bottom part, explains everything discussed here.

[@annvargas4932]

Don't blame christianity. God said it over and over again ....cowards. I'm the biggest one

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

Yep another example Revelation 4:1 John being called up in the spirit.

[@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921]

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[@emeraldcave5441]

Hebrew 11:1 by faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. Verse 2 by faith we understand the universe was formed by God by God's command, so that what we seen was not made out of what was visible. verse 6 and without faith it us impossible to please God, because anyone who come to him must believe there is a God.

[@bartbannister394]

Figures a theist would call being an idiot, "faith."

[@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921]

Please share my two brief videos with other people.

[@kevconn441]

Lennox is an expert at talking a lot and saying nothing.

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

Yes sir Dr John Lennox. Preach it brother! Scripture with scripture God's word with God's word is how you let him give interpretation and definition to what his word means and says.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

As an indoctrinated child I accepted what I was told by the Catholic Church. As an adult I learned to be skeptical of gods, angels, demons, and talking serpents.

[@shellback971able]

You should be just as skeptical of your professor's indoctrination as well.

[@ericjohnson6665]

Love truth! And Beauty and Goodness too.

[@whatistruth560]

GENESIS 5 NAME MEANING IN ORDER- " Man appointed morrow sorrow and yet the Blessed God shall come down teaching" his death"shall the disparing rest and comfort"... Right in GENESIS 5 !

[@illinoisgospelfan650]

I'm sorry but John Lennox comes across terribly in the camming media. Looks like a creepy old man talking to a 14 year old boy....... 'ssshhhhh don't tell your parents; this is just between you and me!'

[@wynbrown7321]

I'm still looking.

[@jbalish102]

Science will never understand consciousness.

[@vhawk1951kl]

What do you suppose science to be? You plainly have no idea what consciousness is and less of an idea what the word consciousness means, but had you any Latin and wits and learning it would be obvious but you are entirely innocent of any kind of intellectual accomplishment or ability are you not little Elsie?

[@larrycarter3765]

Nope !

[@immanuel829]

Yep!

[@curiousgeorge555]

Nope what?

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"Is Faith Reasonable?" By definition it is not. Reason is reasonable; faith is faithful.

[@gjeacocke]

I take it on good faith you are a learned man. faith means evidence of an observable nature. you are using the modern definition of faith. how did the greeks etc use such a term? is alcohol reasonable to live a healthy live every day like praying every day? if you reason you will conclude alcohol is dangerous. do you ignore what reasoning teaches you. so to conclude that faith is unreasonable ignores the important issue of accepting what reasoning gives you as its answer. the tis fundamental problem atheists do not like to confront

[@vhawk1951kl]

How would you know given that you are incapable of faith or reason?-Having no experience of either, nor any idea of what the words faith and reason mean, as you are about to demonstrate

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@gjeacocke "faith means evidence of an observable nature." Well there's a definition I have not previously encountered!

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@gjeacocke "is alcohol reasonable to live a healthy live every day like praying every day?" Reasonable simply means subject to reason. A bit of alcohol, as from wine, has been shown to have health benefits. It is the *showing* combined with *thought process* that makes a thing potentially reasonable. But someone else drinks wine because she likes it; that's her "reason" but it isn't objectively reasonable. Thus, the thing itself is neither reasonable nor not-reasonable; reason happens in a human mind, but I think not very often. "so to conclude that faith is unreasonable ignores the important issue of accepting what reasoning gives you as its answer." That seems unnecessarily complicated. *Faith is belief* typically combined with loyalty and/or behavior. HOW you got that belief may be due to reason, but it can also be due to herd influence with no thought process (reasoning) involved. I doubt a person could arrive at "faith" whatever exactly anyone means by it, solely by the logical processes of reason; unless and except the arguments or claimed facts upon which reason operates have been chosen in advance to lead to a conclusion. For instance, a common argument is the complexity of the universe and how everything is just right. But that proves nothing; it is the anthropic principle -- it *could* be accidental; and humans evolved (presumably) *adapted* to the cosmic constants. So it means nothing. Probability exists only in things that have not happened yet. Things that have happened, however unlikely one may think of it, have probability "1". But if you THINK it proves something, then that becomes your reasoning; yet, faith is still not reason. Reason is one thing, faith is another thing, sometimes the result of reason. FAITH is the result of various choices or processes, REASON *is* the process (or one of the processes).

[@gjeacocke]

@@thomasmaughan4798 wrong. You have blind faith and you have faith. ‘Love is blind’.it does not mean that love will mislead you. Something else. About alcohol: wine is 2%. Others like whisky etc can be 70%. this has to be unhealthy. Then you have to reason what law has concluded about alcohol. Judges remarks. For example over 90% of crime in england was caused by alcohol.

[@frankchico69]

there is no golden rule in islam.....the average muslim is far more moral than his prophet ever was but this is only because all humans are innately gifted with Gods moral law within their very being for all are created images of God....this is why christianity is true...and the other faiths are not.

[@vhawk1951kl]

There is no pure English verb to gift little savage elsie. Who told you that Islam has no golden rule and why do you believe them?

[@richardwilliams473]

I cannot believe that this intelligent man, John Lennox actually believes in the talking Serpent in the Garden of Eden????

[@stephanosjacobus7717]

do you believe distant cousins of apes learned to talk?

[@JWCFB]

I don't think he does, I think he believes it's metaphorical.

[@stephanosjacobus7717]

@@JWCFB he clearly stated that he believes in miracles and God's word. If he believes Jesus performed miracles, raising even the dead and that he died and was buried and then raised on the third day, why on earth would he consider a serpent talking a "metaphor "? Evolutionism teaches that distant cousins to apes talk!!! Oh what blind faith they have. They have no proof, just wild speculation yet they even believe the absurd impossibility, that everything came from nothing. They'd even rather believe we're in a computer program, or that "aliens" might have made us, all while avoiding where the computer came from and who programmed it, or where the "aliens" came from.... Can you say serious denial???

[@thomasmaughan4798]

All serpents talk. The hard part is understanding it.

[@onsenguy]

He believes in those supernatural ridiculous things simply because he was indoctrinated into that whole system since infancy growing up in very Catholic Ireland. If he grew up in India he would be Hindu; if he grew up in classical Greece he would believe in Zeus; if he grew up in central Africa he'd believe in the great juju at the bottom of the sea; if he grew up in Denmark at the time of the Vikings he would believe in Thor.

[@AtheismActually]

"NDEs are legit. Unless they don't align with my beliefs." 🙄

[@kennethobrien8386]

Hello, Atheism Actually. Just curious: what are "NDEs"? Thank you.

[@AtheismActually]

@@kennethobrien8386 Near-Death Experiences. I'm referring here to the follow-up question starting 1:08:07

[@kennethobrien8386]

@@AtheismActually - ok, thank you for that!

[@lrvogt1257]

Faith is not unreasonable any more than speaking the same language as your peers. We are socialized to conform to what our family and culture accept from religion and language to food and music. Not having faith is certainly reasonable because there is no substantive, verifiable evidence of any supernatural phenomena.

[@lrvogt1257]

@Tom Servo : I don't disagree. I'm being generous with the word that it's not unreasonable for people to accept what their culture accepts as true. One's reasoning can be valid but if their premises are wrong it isn't sound. I personally am unconvinced of the supernatural but I understand why many accept it based on the enormous amount of cultural history.

[@michaelbrickley2443]

LR Vogt, don’t you mean you deny history?

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"there is no substantive, verifiable evidence of any supernatural phenomena." Well duh, that's what makes a thing supernatural. :-) Or just ephemeral such as a flash of lightning last night. it's done. Might be another one somewhere else but that does not prove the existence of one I saw last night.

[@lrvogt1257]

@@thomasmaughan4798 : So, supernatural and non-existent are identical. Everything for which a cause has been determined... Natural: 100%, Supernatural: 0%

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@lrvogt1257 "So, supernatural and non-existent are identical. " Not quite. Declaring a thing as non-existing is inherently illogical. You must first define the thing that does not exist, then confirm that nowhere in the universe that thing you define3de does not exist. Supernatural pertains to a phenomenon that exists but the cause is not usually observed and thus is inferred.

[@FuckFascistYouTube]

I don't believe in any gods. Change my mind

[@michaelbrickley2443]

Your choice…no one can change your mind.

[@FuckFascistYouTube]

@@michaelbrickley2443 With good arguments they absolutely can. Do you have good arguments?

[@stephanosjacobus7717]

@@FuckFascistKZbin We have proof, but obviously you want "arguments". Your pride will keep you from seeing the pearl. You are aware of human history? You do know about Egypt, Rome, Jews and I'm sure you're aware of the descendants, of Issac and Ishmael? I don't believe you are ready, for proof, good try though.

[@FuckFascistYouTube]

@@stephanosjacobus7717 Well, I am here if you want to share this proof 😁

[@stephanosjacobus7717]

@@FuckFascistKZbin I already see where this will go. You have your signs. Maybe try reading a specific book, before you doubt it?