Christians React!! Mgła-Age of excuse II !! Long live 🇵🇱!!!

[@radhwangothic]

I love your breakdown. As an anti-theistic, absurdo-nihilistic person my self, this song feeds the hollow of my nothingness.

[@VinAndSori]

Comment of the fuckin week!

[@JohnKasarinlan]

Nice.

[@adhominem_]

It is a shame that you can't understand so many non-English speaking bands which are way more deep into nihilistic/misanthropic philosophy than Mgla

[@guysimple8491]

Being said, I have a feeling that this channel has more anti-theistic viewers than christians. Just my bet.

[@guysimple8491]

@HippieCycling Easy, kzbin.info/www/bejne/fH6tf6eXYtSeiNk . No need to thank me.

[@JFORTE77]

No commentary about the drums? The difference between Darkside and other exponents of the genre is that he doesn´t focus only in the rhythmic aspect of the song structure, but the melody itself; He creates a second layer of melody which is there, but you have to focus on it for hearing. Both, drums and lyrics, are what made this band to sound so fresh nowadays.

[@SelfPL]

+1 The amazing drumming is what caught my attention first. It really is a step up from EIF, which was already incredible. Driving the music forward, adding syncopations to the melody and adding power with every fill and pushing everything further and further. His drumming is so incredibly expressive. Even as it is (probably) very technical, it doesn't aspire to come over this way. By far my favorite BM drummer these days.

[@nurmi73]

You're absolutely right!

[@sebastiengerber146]

Yes ! Darkside is doing some insane stuff with his drumming. What he is doing with Kriegsmaschine is also crazy. More technical, maybe "colder" than what they do with Mgla, but also seriously impressive. You can tell it's him playing after only a few seconds.

[@gyys]

@@SelfPL I agree! I am an amateur drummer and I simply love the lightness of his touch on those cymbals. Someone likened it to mercury rain, found that a pretty descriptive comment. He is just incredible!

[@enricomadrigal9168]

there's no drummers like Darkside in black metal scene. Sure, he has a great personality

[@macp988]

love to see you like Mgła:) cheers from Poland guys!

[@MortarMaggot275]

Darkside is such a dope drummer.

[@vicenteraira]

It is frustrating how people can't get the astonishing usage of cymbals by Darkside. Really! ¬¬

[@livingdeadfrank671]

As a drummer myself, this guy is the best, Having skaking hands with him, he IS the best. Carry on.

[@MortarMaggot275]

@@livingdeadfrank671 , I'm jealous! He's one of my top three favorite drummers. Soooo good.

[@alexanderschubert9975]

@@vicenteraira Well, everyone is talking about that.

[@martingustafsson5711]

I'm not a drummer but it's obvious how great he is, especially his musicality

[@daimonf777]

Vin and Sori, Thanks for explaining the lyrics so clearly. They're not a typical Black Metal band singing about the devil's dominance. Their lyrics are on social changes, people's doubts and nihilism of the world nowadays. Cheers from Poland 🇵🇱 You are very popular here (you know, we live in an extremely religious country 😀).

[@VinAndSori]

Nice!!! Long live Poland!!!!

[@daimonf777]

@@VinAndSori Thank you!!! I have never expected you would ever answer or love my post! You guys have made my day (night, actually. It's 02:41 am here) Thanks again. God bless you Guys! You rule!!!

[@doctajuice]

The way mgla write their guitar parts always blows my mind. The overtones of the harmony and the undertones of the dissonance work together to evoke a sense of hopeful melancholy, and the perfectly poetic nihilism in the lyrics is a thing of pure beauty. Plus darkside's drumming just moves everything along at a furious pace. Listening to mgla is comfort food to me - the comfort of knowing that nothing matters, but that's ok. EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE OK

[@ZoniaTV]

Yeah, gotta agree with Vin. In black metal, the wall of sound that trem picking makes is basically a cacophony of eerie sound that often is used as a canvas or backdrop to the other elements of the song (namely the vocals). Mgla does this exceptionally well.

[@berserker8884]

Yeah, not to mention that this is just the ground work, the pillar structure behind the music of BM. Its not like everything is just this, like Sori mistakenly thinks(she really doesn't get music over all, or does she?), but its the background wall of sound that carries the musical ideas. Then you have the Darkside's drumming which geniusly rises complexity in a very subtle way, but in a very powerful way just like the bass adds to the wholesomeness and warmth to the sound. You have amazing vocals as always and you have very memorable melodies and progressions on the front lines. Its a really great amazing song and Ive only listened to it three times. Mgla is the band which creates the nihilistic atmosphere better than all other, has melodic lines that on one hand motivate you and empower you but on the other suck your soul away, the tone is subtle, raw but the mix is still clear which again really helps with the atmosphere without sacrificing the production quality, which is very high for BM as always. Then we have the lyrics, which are some of the best poetry Ive ever read. I will always put Mgla on par with Opeth when it comes to musical and songwriting genius and Opeth is in my opinion up there as the perfect metal band.

[@vicenteraira]

You described it perfectly. The riffs are like a tsunami of black energy swallowing everything around. It is repetitive, hypnotic, massive and inescapable. I can't stretch enough how majestic this wall of sound is.

[@vicenteraira]

@@berserker8884 It is frustrating how people can't get the astonishing usage of cymbals by Darkside. Really!

[@alxltke329]

Its my favorite Band. Lyrics and Instrumentals are genius, and so meaningfull. Mgla just killed it, as always. And the Reaction here was just amazing. Thanks for the explanation of some Lines.

[@clitoralrosary9474]

My favorite band alongside Infant Annihilator.

[@Naturalcalvezilla]

@@clitoralrosary9474 lol

[@TheMightyMana]

imagine being denied a mgla concert in germany because of antifa. happened to me. never was this mad towards them. "missed the right tree" donated my ticket money towards mgla though.. always will support them.

[@southpole76]

cry, loser

[@_pulyx]

SS bootlicker detected

[@TheMightyMana]

@@southpole76 expected from left neo fascist :)

[@TheMightyMana]

@@_pulyx jup must be the case.

[@southpole76]

lol... keep crying

[@MortarMaggot275]

New Mgla?! MY BODY IS READY.

[@teodorurucu9227]

Lyrics : The stench of zeitgeist Is the incense of discarded shrines As the corpses put on powder and rouge So that the hoax can proceed Ever sidewards A cheaped out incarnation into a shopworn sarx The soul congeals into a grimy lump Substance of the world, dreary and pale At the feet of a spirit detached Between the grinder and the abattoir Such are the landscapes of grief Grayness and glitz Glitter and gehinnom Between tedium and fright Such is the song of the nether world The hissing of rats And the jarring chants of angels A sacrifice to the gutter gods Squandered redemption, misplaced grace As an ailing mole burrowing in Eden Living, breathing, downfall Between the grinder and the abattoir Such are the landscapes of grief Grayness and glitz Glitter and gehinnom Between tedium and fright Such is the song of the nether world The hissing of rats And the jarring chants of angels It's a land of sun gone down In a comical grandeur A sluggish danse macabre Hyenas waltzing about Would a new flood please finally come? A real rain and an assortment of plagues And when all is said and done Even the Devil won't care enough to spit in the mud

[@MarcinOfTheNuclearVillage]

I'm already addicted to this track. Great video guys! Much Love & Respect!

[@vicenteraira]

Fucking kings of mature Black Metal are back after 4 looooong years of unbearable hibernation! Every second was worth the wait! Their pale crown of nihilist majesty is kept over their haunting head. Everything that consolidated them as one-of-a-kind musical crafters is there: the detailed and fruitful usage of cymbals, "tsunamic" guitar riffs that delivers all the meaninglessness of our earthly journey in this scorched world and the lyrics... ah... the lyrics... these are a chapter by their own... for me, it is one of their best poetic approaches of their thematics. I am in awe! I just need this album for yesterday!!!

[@Birmanncat]

Mgła gives me hope.

[@kubasniak]

what? how? LOL

[@Cuervo47]

David Martin Portmann kubasnian was being sarcastic. Even, i thought you also were.

[@syrianatheist817]

Metal gives us a hope of immortality in the nothingness

[@STILLMOTIO]

...where there is none

[@Nebelhoehlen]

your enthusiasm makes me so happy, vin!

[@VinAndSori]

Same!

[@morbidangel47]

Powerful music. I very much align with Vin's interpretation of the lyrics, minus one point regarding the line "So that the hoax can proceed, ever sidewards." I understood this line to mean that the hoax of human existence follows a path neither forward (heaven/salvation) nor back (hell/damnation), but rather in an irrelevant direction that inevitably leads to nothingness. I can vouch for Vin's assertion that the lyrics of this song are the embodiment of a nihilistic world view void of faith. I think M's writing is a significant part of Mgła's reach, as I find his lyrics to be immediately and profoundly relatable, and believe many others feel the same.

[@VinAndSori]

Oooooo yes good point!!

[@bobanmilojevic7095]

I have never heard such beautiful melodies before. Mgla are masters of the black metals genre. Rhythm and especially drumming is perfection and all albums are pure listening pleasure. The title is "Age of excuse" excelent chosen.Vin and Sori Age of excuse II is a good choice for your soundcheck....Mgla now and forever friends

[@leonardomagalhaes6262]

The best band of the last 15 years

[@呼吸-e9b]

6:01 darkside slamming those cymbals it sounds like swords fighting

[@danielbarney7231]

I'm a native American from Albuquerque NM, I've Really enjoyed listening too magla, one of my favorite band from Poland. They're have talented musicians. Love to see them live someday.

[@ItsVikVaughn]

Just a correction: It's Mgła (pronounced MM-goo-wah [The M is like the m in milk])

[@SwordOdOdin]

i dont usually watch reaction videos, but for you guys' Mgła reaction, I make an excuse.

[@C0NVAIR]

Noice, it's amazing for me, that so many people from around the world feel that there is something really special about Mgła. Greets from PL;)

[@playersgame1121]

Mgła is like vodka from Poland, there is no other! you dont must like black metal but when you listen Mgła you start like black metal :]

[@Miguel-pt6dm]

Love your reviews. And I love how much you are into this band, Vin. I too, am infatuated with this band.

[@anton4886]

Love Vins love for black metal

[@kirat666]

this band revived black metal, pure geniuses

[@kamilpienkos8584]

Thx for our flag in the title, I'm from Poland and I really appreciate that! 👍🏻

[@nwelsh84]

Wow! Great reaction/review, with great insight into the lyrics. Would absolutely love to see an interview.

[@jelefaz]

It´s just a pleasure to watch you listening to music i love too. I get tears in my eyes and feel connected. Thanks! Sometimes it´s little different things that make songs connect to you you can not explain with words. I totally agree with Vin in this case...again :)

[@onefromthenorth]

I agree! When you lose your faith, this is it what you have left. I would add to music, that it is dark and it keeps continuing the same chords until there is the melodic part which of course sounds divine at that point. I really like the lyrics because of it those are like you guys said, very dark and about humanity. That's what I am following in my music also.

[@Harthugaut]

I think the "proceeding sideways" is about movement without progression. You neither come closer to a goal, neither you gain distance. It is a futile act. This fits perfectly to the repetitive and entrancing soundscape of Mgła.

[@vicenteraira]

I got exactly the same interpretation. it is a very smart usage of the made up word "sidewards" (you wrote "sideways" hehe).

[@Joormode]

Black metal is not really my cup of tee - but that drummer is good.

[@lordecircojeca2039]

Plaga - Traby Zaglady It's really similar to Mgla, really good song!

[@MortarMaggot275]

That entire record is awesome.

[@vicenteraira]

This band is fucking AWESOME!

[@Midaspl]

Yep Plaga is an interesting band. Their ex-vocalist was a bit boring to listen, but looked like fucking ogre.

[@alexmorte1765]

Those bands are the best

[@ivanbathoryk.p.n.9399]

Furia and Stwórz are other amazing bands of the Polish scene

[@void3584]

You guys shall check out Kriegsmaschine if you haven't already... it's another band of the guys playing in Mgła and since M is again the author of music and lyrics you can expect equally exceptional quality of both. I recommend you "None shall see redemption" song from the album "Enemy of man" for starters.

[@thorragnarok7690]

M is the Friedrich Nietzsche of our age.

[@Berevezje]

Calm down

[@RageNFury92]

You should do a reaction to Advent Sorrows "pestilence shall come." Your analysis on finding a presence of God in these black metal songs has really made me rethink my faith when listening to them, instead of the obvious nihlistic points, maybe there really is a deeper meaning. Thank you.

[@blackandrej]

Yeah great song too

[@13Shining]

One of the greatest bands to exist.

[@Elchinodiabolero]

You actually say Mgła and not Mgla... RESPECT!

[@JumboBass]

This is an amazing song again from MGLA! They are coming to Bulgaria on 22nd of September and I cannot wait to see them live!

[@olgakonstan7970]

I hope you will eventually react to all of the songs of Mgla's new album. I enjoy Vin's interpretation of the lyrics sm.

[@Th3_Bl4ck_Sh33p]

My wife was exactly like her the first time she heard mgła and other black metal band she said to me oh its sound exactly the same all the time. To solve that problem i took her to a Mayhem show and the look she give me at the end of the show i knew exactly right at this moment she really begin understanding what was the Black metal since this show she is hook on Black metal. After Mayhem this yeas she saw Uada, Rotting Christ, Borknagar, Abigail williams ect ect and now like me she almost married to Black metal

[@andrelee71]

Kriegsmaschine - Residual Blight. It’s a side project of two members from Mgla

[@G.G14]

There's also this other side project Frontman and multi-instrumentalist Mikołaj Żentara (“M.”) has a solo project, Leichenhalle, that released an album called Judenfrei (“Free of Jews”) and featured song titles such as “Jerusalem in Flames,” “Different Solution,” and “China Scum.”

[@maro6041]

@@G.G14 lies

[@G.G14]

@@maro6041 denial

[@clitoralrosary9474]

@@G.G14Love it.

[@danielcheney8944]

Mgla IS the side project. Kriegsmaschine doesn’t even do this shit justice.

[@blackmetalmagick1]

I love this guy, he just explains how much I love Mgla

[@92Galaz]

Another great Polish black metal band is In Twilight's Embrace and their las album called Lawa. :) It's about Slavic ritual called Dziady (Forefathers' Eve). "Żywi nieumarli" for example :)

[@plslc1]

The face-melting cymbal work on here, out of this world... For very discerning ears only.

[@livingdeadfrank671]

What a review... You have faith and we have MGLA !! They keep doing their thing, I spent some them, with the man, they KICKED ass, all the best to you and them !!!

[@brokenwithin38]

MGLA is the soundtrack to my pointless existence. In their art, I feel an understanding of this that I dont get from the humans I encounter on a daily basis. I would like to get yalls take on the song Snakes And Vultures from what is often considered a MGLA rip off band, UADA. It also speaks to me very strongly. AMSG! 218

[@joebutler4473]

brokenwithin38 I just saw Uada live and have to say they’ve come into their own and are absolutely amazing in person. More showmanship than Mgla actually. I loved Mgla first of course though

[@BalanceOvOpposites]

Uada is great too. I agree theyve come into their own. Djinn is a good one I couldnt see Mgla making. Love Purging Fire and Cult of a Dying Sun too

[@michael-tx8rw]

uada and mgla can co-exist. they're both good

[@thorragnarok7690]

Btw get into the icelandic black metal scene! I know you would LOVE Misþyrming for example. Their new album is getting rave reviews everywhere

[@JumboBass]

Just watched them live here in Bulgaria and it was the show of the year for me. They are great and I was able to even take a picture with them and my wife! The fact that Mikolaj writes and records the songs and the lyrics is amazing and the whole band is a well greased machine! Greetings and thank you for the great reaction videos!

[@Xy0ud0ntkn0wmeX]

New album just came out today. Available on KZbin and Bandcamp for now. You've got to react to AOE VI next. The last 4 minutes of that song will blow your minds.

[@seanfrancis2]

I love how you guys hate SJW, "Progressivism", Political Correctness stuff. Seems like you guys are extremely open minded, non-sheep people. Keep killing it

[@R0sw3ll47]

Great reaction! Thank you! Kriegsmaschine - Residual Blight please!!!

[@nintenjoel]

Those drums, man.

[@R0sw3ll47]

@@nintenjoel Hell yeah

[@Chill-mm4pn]

Mgla are in my favorites.🤘 Good analysis of the song. When I was younger we were forced to go to church. I remember being really religious in the Christian sense but I kept having questions that no one wanted to answer(or could answer). Because it would force them to question their faith. As a kid I probably read the Bible more than the adults in your family so I noticed contradictions and such. I remember breaking down in my sophomore year of highschool because I couldn't keep ignoring things that I disagreed with. Friends didn't understand because they didn't come from a religious family. People just seem to not question things, no disrespect to them. I felt that I was somewhat disconnected from them so i would only go because it was somewhat of a family event. Plus I was a teenager. I feel that a lot of Black Metal guys were probably raised in a very religious or strict religious family. I feel that asking your child if they want to be a part of whatever religion you happen to be is more healthy than just forcing them. It just builds resentment. I don't hate Christians, and nihilism I don't believe in. I do hate those blind followers like Westboro Church or those people who say I'm going to Hell. Morals to me are more important to teach to my son because it's based on being a decent human being despite your religious affiliation or lack thereof. You can't force someone to believe or not to believe in something. Whatever path they choose is up to them. I'm more spiritual myself, I prefer to follow my heart as that tells me what's right. As a musician I see my purpose is making music people can relate to. (Also spreading good vibes when I go to a social gathering.) Because when I die they can still feel comfort or derive entertainment from it. Plus it makes me happy regardless. All the lil' things make me happy For me it's live life as you want, don't be terrible to others.

[@Empiricist14]

Thank you for your analysis

[@chrisstoffable]

author of graphic is Zbigniew Bielak - this one who created last Ghost album cover :) good for Mgła :)

[@victorianoz1566]

great review. Lyric interpretations starts at 21:09 thank you for sharing your toughts, it confirms some thoughts. Keep it up!

[@1983mhc]

This album will be great. It will take me into a journey just as other Mgła albums. This is so simple and so perfect at one and the same time.

[@jproffitt2192]

You guys should check out Windir - Journey to the End, Burzum - My Journey to the Stars, and Inquisition - Astral Path to Supreme Majesties.

[@Chill-mm4pn]

J Proffitt Windir yes!

[@onelove6576]

Wonderful song from a wonderful band! Love to hear your opinion on this!

[@chestbuster1987]

Well done, guys! Awesome song, timely video! Well done, Village!

[@michaheinrich9919]

So will You react to Kriegsmaschine, also from Darkside and M? Two albums Enemy of Man and Apocalypticists are VERY GOOD !

[@udykonfident7837]

You should try paying more attention to drummer in every Mgła song especially cymbals. You should try Kriegsmaschine Residual Blight. Wide project of Mgła, yet equally incredible.

[@georgesoros0]

Zgadzam sie! Pomijanie talentu Darkside'a to sprawa dla prokuratury!

[@coreyellerbe]

Black metal doesn't necessarily have a ton of guitar variance. It's not supposed to have a bunch of soloing and progress. It's meant to be bleak. Mgla layers and builds a lot. Plus Darkside is a freak on the drums.

[@niklaus3705]

And as we listen to the songs, our Egos writhe in spasms of insight

[@jesperchristiansen7481]

WHAT?! New release. Damn, good thing I watch your vids

[@antoniokatusic9314]

Mgla is my only and favorite band..salut from croatia split

[@petryac9665]

Those lyrics reminds me the world shown in epic Comic 'Szninkiel' (Le Grand Pouvoir du Chninkel) by Rosinski/Van Hamme. Check it out if you have an opportunity - you should love it if the lyrics get to you. I think the comic story really corresponds to great nihilsm/christianity balanced reflections of Vin in this video. Man, you really made a job here… never heard such a gold and mindfull synthesis of those two opposite philosophies worlds!

[@adamkarnbrink3305]

Nargaroth - Seven tears are flowing to the river

[@dennis8693]

Seven beers are flowing to the liver*

[@dennis8693]

@M Robertson Give me call sometime honey boo boo 😏

[@BalanceOvOpposites]

CLVSSIC

[@thatsoobguy]

I also was like you Vinn, a missionary for my church who taught, converted and baptized many, and I always enjoyed black metal lyrics although I didn’t share it’s beliefs. But All it takes is one happening to nullify your faith, for me it was a series of events. Anyways, MGŁA is the shit bruh ! If it wasnt for them I wouldn’t have discovered yalls page, and if it wasnt for this upload, I wouldn’t be headbanging to this new joint today 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽

[@bjrnarbjrnarsson5845]

Vin is far too stubborn to ever reject his holy boss.

[@Apathel]

Ok, I’m really baffled that you haven’t covered anything from Kriegsmaschine yet. Minding how much you enjoy Mgla, one would expect the guys either from trve kvlt or underground would have requested something already - what gives? :) I would be really interested in hearing your take on The Other Death from Kriegsmaschine’s latest album, Apocalypticists. In my humble opinion, that track has some of the most profound lyrics M. has ever written. Cheers!

[@landonlongon3439]

der weg einer freiheit - aufbruch... Okay, this is the last one. Live or Lyric video. Live vid is amazing. Lyrics are in German though

[@juliantorres3593]

I wish he would review more songs from the album, crazy how he broke down the lyrics.

[@tommythetrain1945]

his reactions to the song mainly the lyrics is fun to watch "ohOOOoooo!"

[@jorgemiguellopezjimenez2126]

None can stop The polish Gods. They are a grasshoper, a panzer... A thunder... Cant wait to see them live This september in Madrid.

[@jasonmagana6081]

Awesome review on this new track,keep up the good job guys, cheers 🤘🍻

[@AcyutaPlayer]

Vin and Sori love you all.

[@nickblackstone5772]

Should listen to the whole album it gets better as ya listen :) glad to see your channel is still going strong I show it to everyone I can blessed be

[@Svarth1349]

Hi guys , If you like Mgla you should enjoy new Kriegsmachine. It’s a side project of the same musicians. It’s more fucked up technically especially drums. Check it out ! Cheers

[@henrykg9200]

M8, I am glag to hear that you like that band... Most of people think that we poles are only catholics... Dig in yt and find more polish stuff... Cheers

[@adrianapostol8360]

Read an interview of these guys. They're fans of Cioran.

[@iosifdinca4869]

Se vede bine asta.

[@plotakma]

Guys please continue with your videos for ever love you so much ♥️

[@xarogath]

You should check out Kriegsmachine, it's Mgła sideproject

[@olavrell]

Yeah Residual Blight is a good one.

[@perun5984]

"None shall see redemption" is my number 1 Kriegsmaschine song

[@tetfol3315]

Also Massemord and Furia.

[@arcbyldur]

xarogath Just checked out all of Kriegsmachine and is just as great due to both bands have the same musicians.

[@AcerbicGangrene]

Kriegsmaschine is a stepped up version of Mgła. Every listen to their records just astonishes me and leaves wordless for a while.

[@folopoide]

they take the worst and most human aspect human and mock it, I love this band.

[@jarosawkamczynski5485]

Another great metal band from Kraków in Poland

[@CrimsonAltar]

I been waiting for this! If it wasnt for MGLA, Batushka and Advent Sorrow I wouldn't even be listening to Black Metal anymore but these guys bring me back everytime.

[@picpepe]

Amazing album, best album of the year so far.

[@Midaspl]

New album is up ;)

[@schtrudl]

What was the conversation about Vin?? Tell us please!! :)

[@ЯдМедеи]

Guys, check out this russian band: Ария - 08 - Викинг ( translates to Aria - Viking)

[@martingustafsson5711]

This review is so great

[@tobiaskrantz8222]

Such a Beautiful song,,

[@alsophocus5225]

This band... this song is so strong...

[@johangericke1492]

So when are you doing another one of the new tracks? Full album is out!!!!

[@Nealdrox325]

This is my favorite band and Age of Excuse III is my fav on the album.

[@bykens81]

POLAND!!!

[@tegesno]

yep...

[@kamilpienkos8584]

Thx my friends, greetings from Poland !

[@punker-gamer-trucker-guy]

I have nothing against Jesus per say, but when Satan questioned God's intentions, he was cast aside. God created us, and gave us free will. If we choose to question and follow paths that God essentially allows us to, he casts us aside. That pretty much summed up my attempt with religion. That and all the hypocrisy in the church, not just followers, but into the deeply invested members and elders of the church. I never felt welcome, so I left. And I have been so much happier being who I am instead of who I am not. If I have to choose between happiness and enduring sorrow for a chance to get into heaven, which if you've read the bible you'll know that not everyone goes to heaven, then I'll choose to live a life that brings me true joy.

[@surtel7216]

Pozdrowienia z Polski.

[@benwebb4424]

I always find it fascinating when people act as if there is no meaning without a god/gods. What meaning can be derived from the human struggle when you have a philosophical ball & chain telling you what to think? That isn't meaning - that is hopeless self defeat. Religion is abuse.

[@timothymeysenburg9160]

I see what you're saying, but if the "meaning" or "purpose" isn't from a god, is it truly meaningful beyond the observers narrow experience? I am happy when something feels meaningful to me, but my existence isn't meaningful, so how does my perception of meaning in any way translate into the universe at large?

[@benwebb4424]

@@timothymeysenburg9160 I would argue that you're looking at it backwards. It isn't that there is no meaning beyond the observer's narrow experience - because that implies your observation of the universe is the important part. I would argue that since the universe is measurable and real, and life is measurable and real, that we are being observed by everything and everyone around us. It would be extremely arrogant to say your observation is the only one worth considering. We are the meaning and it is our responsibility to the universe to make it the best observable universe for all things living in it and for future things that will live in it. We've already won. Of the billions of swimmers your dad shot in your mom's cooch you were the fastest. The genetic jackpot has been hit. Now we need to pay our good fortunes forward for the rest of the future universe. That is the meaning of existence.

[@benwebb4424]

@@karljonson3287 I don't think it's comparable to Christianity at all. We can prove the universe is real because it's simply the name for the thing we exist within. It is not only observable and measurable, but also responsive. It doesn't require faith, and it doesn't have absurd old world fairy tales attached to it. If anything it's more comparable to atheistic Satanism without the pretentious imagery. This conversation is a testament my point. Take note, I am not making the argument that my perspective of the universe is the end all be all, the meaning I give it is 100% not the point. Rather I am saying we exist, and the universe and its inhabitants are responsive to our input. We both know this to be true because I made a statement, Timothy observed the statement and responded, I responded to Timothy, you observed my response, and then asked a question. I as an observer was only 1/3rd of the feedback loop. You as an observer also had input and got this response. Acting as if you are a lone observer doesn't make any sense - the universe observes you more than you observe it. It's not about singular observation, and 1 man's perspective really doesn't mean much in the grander scheme of the universe. Rather we are privileged to have the opportunity to exist at all, and I believe it is our duty to make the universe the best possible universe we can for ourselves and for future generations. People who struggle with finding meaning in existence are missing that existence is the meaning. We are here, we've already won, and to feel entitled to more than a lifetime is absolutely bizarre. You have the opportunity to love, to create, to enjoy the wonders of the universe, to feel, to breathe, to exist. What more could you possibly want?

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@@benwebb4424 I still don't see a source of meaning being presented. And sure, I perceive my experiences to be real, but there is no way to even prove THAT. Our agreement on what seems to be shared perceptions could just as easily be my consciousness projecting a self-reinforcing hallucination. But let's posit that all this is real. You speak of responsibility to the universe. From whence did this responsibility arise? I don't remember taking on any such thing. And why would any of this be more than a meaningless accident? The perspective you are putting forth is your interpretation of meaning, but that's exactly my point. It isn't inherent, it's imposed. Nothing means anything without an absolute, infallible, and authoritative perspective. If there are no gods that exist outside of the universe to impose meaning, then there is no greater significance to any of this. On a happier note, that frees us up to decide what is meaningful to us

[@clitoralrosary9474]

Really close-minded outlook on religion but too each his own I suppose.

[@tarcisiojunior511]

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[@erictindall5807]

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