Christmas Special - Featuring Yogscast and Friends

[@BBBence1111]

>New to the game >Is the demon Not even the Yogscast escape this meta

[@TeniBear10]

I've played exactly two games of BOTC - My first, I was Imp and won. My second, I was Scarlet Woman to my husband's first-game Imp, became the Imp partway through, and won again 🤣 So I've never played as good, and have never lost - I may just retire!

[@SNDLKaraoke]

I was demon for the first 4 games I played in BOTC, and won every single one 🤣. Nowadays everyone tries to kill me instantly because I'm "not allowed to live" past day 1

[@WolfOfLegend]

its so real. My first game I was the imp and won, my second game i was also the imp but we had to rerack on d1 because of out of game reasons, so my actual game 2 i was the scarlet woman that became the imp and won lmao

[@kingnoodle8785]

I must say, having watched a bunch of vids with seasoned professionals, Ben's ability to communicate with brand new players is just incredible. He really is a world class storyteller

[@othfan96]

So true! He's a true professional at this game

[@Cyrathil]

He's the Dad of the Yogscast, so it kind of makes sense.

[@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786]

@@Cyrathil I believe you're mistaking Bedgar for the Storyteller Ben Burns from TPI, whom the original commenter is referring to. Funnily enough, TPI Ben has the nickname of Daddy Ben.

[@000Dragon50000]

That vigormortis poison arcing across two people to hit the third is some Nodashi extension cord level shenanigans.

[@Spooglecraft]

58:30 can we appreciate for a moment how ben gave advice to nilesy. he didn't tell him anything new, he just laid out information nilesy had, because nilesy was working off a wrong assumption. great storyteller moment imo

[@OlaRozenfeld]

Yeah, I was taking notes! I'm trying to learn to ST now, and this is the exact thing that will be the most difficult for me, I think.

[@rebekah4761]

To be fair, Ben also tends to favor the evil team unless they are too OP.

[@ragerequiem6323]

I am always happy to see new players and hear their questions even after hundreds of hours. Some these questions would have been exactly what I would have asked right away.

[@blunderstruck1]

the questions are great, more questions absolutely, but the aggressive meta gaming while simultaneously not understanding the regular gaming was just too frustrating for me

[@gamestone-nb]

good causes drunkness and evil causes poison. i get it now. thanks for clarifying it :)

[@falsnamae3511]

It is my personal opinion and hill I stand on, that the two are minorly mechanically different: Drunk is arbitrary, but poison should benefit the demon. A drunk can get useful information, for example they can get true information in a vortox demon script (where by default everyone MUST be lied to, it's a fun demon), or just get true information in general, or "more useful" information that they'd even normally get (for example a noble getting all three evils when nobles tend to shoot from the hip at all three of their pings), it is just completely arbitrary, whatever might be fun or cool or funny, while again, in my personal opinion, poison should never, EVER benefit Good, it should ALWAYS benefit the demon, or at least attempt to.

[@ggrace67]

@@falsnamae3511 I believe you can give THE drunk an outsider correct info in a Vortox game but you can not give A drunk townsfolk correct info in a Vortox game because they are still a townsfolk. But I could be incorrect. I'm not a ST

[@Katz0801]

@@ggrace67 yeah this is correct the vortox trumps poisoning and drunkenness in a vox game. Townfolk always learn false info. The benefit of poisoning in a vortox game is for non-information roles such as a sailor or nightwatchmen etc

[@AnnaNicole.]

@@ggrace67 Correct. Both sober and drunk (lowercase) townsfolk must receive false info in a Vortox game. The Drunk (uppercase) can receive arbitrary info with that demon.

[@Paint_The_Future]

The good Snake Charmer can cause poison and the most recent version of the evil Organ Grinder can cause drunkenness. The Organ Grinder's ability is, ""All players keep their eyes closed when voting & the vote tally is secret. Each night, choose if you are drunk or not." "

[@mskolnik2]

I completely agree here that the character should be called The Drunkard and not The Drunk to help clear up some of that potential confusion. Or better yet The Inebriate

[@hennyvanpatten6026]

In the german version this is actually the case. The status is called "betrunken" and the character is called "Trunkenbold" which according to dict translates to "drunkard".

[@sarahsleamanova2072]

But you see the Drunk, and drunk. Once it's capital, the other time it obviously isn't a name :D Like c'mon :D

[@fleacythesheepgirl]

A Christmas special! WITH THE YOGS!? This has been a year of me getting back into the yogscast 🎄

[@OrcaHedron]

I won 100k channel points by going all in on this game LOL

[@vaultdweller64]

This group is more spanners than works. Absolutely love the energy. “I’ve never seen a real saint.” is a whole vibe, love it. What a fun game!

[@amrastheluckywoof5524]

I usually throw in a real saint and a mayor when I run TB with first time players, especially if there are experienced players present, so they can meta all they want and just kill themselves in the end. Or get the Mayor win

[@specific_protagonist]

You can't lead a horse to water but you can make it drunk.

[@JaydenMudge]

I know it's poor form to judge the decisions of town when I have the full perspective of the grim, but I think the triangle of trust messed up bad. The Librarian should have been wisdom, Sailor courage, and Mayor power! Honestly 😋

[@jamesstanley4691]

It’s great watching experienced players, but it’s refreshing seeing newer ones as well. The game can be played many different ways and vids like this maybe more accessible for new people.

[@jacobunderwood4957]

Wild that Nilesy as the Witch got zero kills and Loli, the new-player demon, still pulled it out.

[@ericahays4281]

It was really refreshing to watch the game with newer players. I do like my vets but sometimes the game gets too mechanical. Put in more games like this was fun to watch. Also really good job as a first time player and first time demon Loli!

[@scotu7075]

Spoilers Super happy to see a new player win as the demon, Lolip played very well and I’m glad her killing her minion payed off so well in the end

[@red_king888]

I believe this was one of the best, if not THE best game of the year. Personally, I think that, although nonsensical shenanigans are the funniest way to taunt your players (aka, Pixie-> Philo-> Alchemist-> Boffin-> Tinker kill on Zombuul), nothing will ever compare to the classic "New player's curse": Pull out the demon from the bag, expectedly bluff Saint, fight against that one player who already knows, keep spending dead votes, and unexplaiably destroy the local elections. Y'all somehow did that out of TB and I was surprised by the outcome. Thanks for this and forthcoming laughs on the new year, happy holidays, and remember that empaths aren't real!

[@rebekah4761]

It was hard to watch a newbie mayor lose their ability to poison. :(

[@Cyrathil]

I've been loving the Yogs getting into Blood on the Clocktower, but I love this format so much more than the in Minecraft version they use.

[@rebekah4761]

21:38 Missed opportunity to do the red, green, and slightly blue lighting. Super fun to see Zelda references on these videos.

[@rebekah4761]

59:06 if a Witch were to curse a dead Banshee, this might be a decent play to take some heat off of a demon since it would make that "kill" go through and be an execution that would immediately end the day? If a Vortox game can have dead players be executed to keep the game going, this sounds like an effective strategy too.

[@BloodontheClocktower]

The Witch can only choose living players. - Ben

[@therussianprincess7036]

Holy hell this is the first time I’ve seen these people but I’m in love with the crew already

[@bombgameing]

Ive been watching them for over 10 years, i wholeheartedly love there content and the recent botc games they had made me join the game and run a couple myself

[@ribby9069]

Oh man, I’ve been watching the yogscast for about 14 years. Love love love em

[@rileygoddard7181]

Over on the Yogscast main channel they've been playing 8 player games.

[@evaos12]

Nilesy and Daltos realizing what happened was magical!

[@EllieBelle1993]

I was laughing so hard! Daltos was non-verbally SCREAMING “we had her!! She was on the block!”

[@Kujata55]

I don't know this group at all, but they are hilarious and I love them!

[@Platinum-db8rc]

Love the Yogs

[@joaomarques4030]

Ravs: u up babe Ravs: oops wrong ben

[@KeenX72]

I've wanted this video for so long I almost can't believe it

[@ablackwelltp1]

Not sure how easy it is to change KZbin subtitles, but just a heads up that Nilesy keeps being detected as something I really don’t think Nilesy will want to be called (approx 4:15)

[@BloodontheClocktower]

OMG, that's amazing. I have absolutely no idea how to change that. - Ben

[@masondeross]

AI generates the subtitles. I think you can add custom ones, but you have to replace it all or none afaik. I don't think it can just be edited to fix specific mistakes with the AI generated subtitles. I could be wrong because I haven't looked at the creator stuff in a long time.

[@will4609]

YOGSCAST LETS GO!!!!!!!! 🎉

[@chrisfreeman6850]

Nice yogs with daddy Ben. This should be good. Love both Ben and the yogs, even if BOTC is played online, in person or in Minecraft. All fantastic. Right enough of this time to actually watch the vid. Merry Xmas to all involved and all of chat. Have a grand time whatever you're up to.

[@rebekah4761]

6:34 that sounds like a 2.

[@kamikazegargoyle]

A brand new player stumbling over the Sailor character rather than playing TB is certainly A Choice.

[@masondeross]

I think the issue is that Ben didn't describe the sailor to Bedgar (Zylus did the talking). Ben always describes it as "Read it backwards: You can't die. You also choose a player every night, and one of you becomes drunk. But if you become drunk, and then you can die." but he let Zylus do the talking during the first night and didn't chime in with his re-wording like he would normally. Ben's wording also makes it clear that the drunkenness caused by the sailor is a one night only thing, and hammers in that it is either you or the one other person chosen that night who is drunk (it doesn't linger on past choices). I never realized how important for new players Ben's rephrasing of the Sailor can be until this game. Zylus explained it pretty clearly to me, but didn't do the "read it backwards thing", and apparently that distinction really matters to new players.

[@TomDufall]

@@masondeross I really hope Ben's re-ordering makes it into the official wording at some point.

[@rileygoddard7181]

Hold on which Ben are y'all talking about? Bedgar or the storyteller? Bedgar actually almost won as the imp in trouble brewing, just watch the Yogscast video called "the poisoned peril." He was the drunk in the game before that so he misunderstood what "making someone drunk" meant.

[@corvus6971]

36:03 maybe the real double drunk was the librarian along the way

[@adammartinez8450]

If i were in the town, I would intentionally help lolip, good or bad, solely for daltos using the "meta" of her being a beginner and asking a question 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@Paint_The_Future]

Must be the same Sailor who was helming the Titanic.

[@jetsflyingoffatrain4338]

I spent the entire start of the video thinking "what the hell is the Lutch" because of the font on the token

[@NovelStraights]

Loved the twist ending that evil had won no matter what

[@floflofloflo8608]

This isn't true. They had the demon on the block with enough votes more than once, including on final day. All the good team needed to do was not put enough votes to tie (or execute) anyone else. And that was actually very achievable, evil team only had one vote because Nilesy had spent theirs already. Evil team were behind for most of this game, it very much came down to the final vote on the final nomination on the final day. That's as close as you can hope for!

[@PriorCracker]

Are you referencing the second game? This video is only the first game, and evil were not guaranteed victory here.

[@baydiac]

​@@floflofloflo8608It's as Rythian pointed out a couple of times, but the good team who had the solve committed the classic blunder: it's not about solving the game, it's about convincing everyone else you solved it. Yelling "chaos reigns!" and "fuck it, balls to the walls!" is not the way to earn the trust of the dead vote. The logic game was solved but the social game was not. They did try to explain it calmly at one point, but Daltos being aggro (esp w his shaky 'of course a new player knows how the game works!' logic) and Bedgar being publicly corrected on the rules too many times (not his fault!) meant their word was mud. Everyone was spending so long unpicking what was going on with them and their Lolip tunnel that no one was discussing which demon they thought it was (with so many drunk suspects a lleech was fairly likely, not to mention what happened with the poor mayor!). TL;DR The solve isn't everything if no one believes you, so there's no use wishing any of the good team didn't misuse their votes. It's not like they were ignoring good information because it _sounded_ like bad information.

[@DustyLizard85]

My favorite brits all in one room :D

[@eloanpedraza4603]

Is weird that the only place that i know Yogscast from is from the sonic car game?

[@AnthonyFuller]

Wow, deep cut reference right there!

[@TheErlend87]

Same!

[@DustyLizard85]

what a show!

[@Moleoflands]

Am I missing something or was the theory about whether they would drunk a saint or not flawed? Personally, if a sailor tried drinking with an outted Saint (or any outsider) I'm almost always drunking the sailor

[@ReunionMana]

well ben pretty much fell at the first hurdle given his explanation to briony lol, it's baseline a 50/50 to lose. ben figured that the storyteller WOULD drunk the saint, but it's not a guarantee, and that can be figured out partly because saint is not townsfolk--saint is outsider, so even he was reading the wiki wrong... theory is flawed in a lot of ways i think. it would take a storyteller who has ran a LOT of games with sailor and saint in the script to know the math on it.

[@kond7664]

@@ReunionMana Ben's theory was pretty out there but it does at least show that just throwing ideas out in a High Priestess game is really helpful since there's a strong chance the storyteller will be compelled to direct them to you if you're actually on the right track.

[@BloodontheClocktower]

In situations like this, you've really gotta give players a basic explanation of how something works and then let them draw their own conclusions. You can't play the game for them. - Ben

[@Wouter10123]

The sailor is a townsfolk, so it should benefit the good team. Not drunking the saint rarely benefits the good team.

[@jacksontoeniskoetter1432]

The drunkenness isn't meant to benefit town, it's meant to balance the sailor's immortality.

[@TheSmokingLizardSWE]

Watched this live. Its a fun one

[@BlueGriffin20]

Hey! Awesome to see this crossover!

[@aabhasbhardwaj8829]

Great vid! Where can I find this crew if people?

[@williamherbert2901]

Search for the channel ‘the yogscast’. They have 7 million YT subs.

[@TheMechaMage]

Any chance of a KZbin upload of the other Jingle Jam game?

[@GenesisDNG]

Seconding this, the second game was fantastic and sadly the vod didn't make it to KZbin :(

[@Septembersmith9633]

The mind is fear...and the reason why evil wins 😈

[@SchnitzelDaemon]

GG Lolipopgi!! Amazing comeback, incredible win!

[@brandonhouston7575]

Is this game ever going to get new roles published for the physical copies?!

[@PriorCracker]

It will, but we don't have any information on precisely when that will be

[@DasGanon]

​@PriorCracker Soon™

[@nregames8447]

One of the best games So close

[@KitsuneHood-pc6rm]

YOGCASTS

[@JohnTux_]

Awesome game everyone!

[@ReunionMana]

YOGA CATS POG

[@euanthompson]

How does the new guy always pick evil?

[@BloodontheClocktower]

It's the universal rule of all complicated games. - Ben

[@amrastheluckywoof5524]

A few weeks ago I played with a group who were new to me. There were 2 players who were brand new to the game, guess who was the Imp and my fellow minion... It was a very fun and close game nonetheless

[@shehankv]

I don't know any of these people but fun game

[@lapinelazulilive4823]

hmm something seems off about this episode of TTT. cant quite put my finger on it...

[@chrisfreeman6850]

Just finished, what a game. Well done all. Kindest regards all.

[@berdyie]

SPOILERS . . . . . As an experienced player it was PAINFUL watching Mousie (who I think was the 2nd new player, so absolutely no flak their way) not understand that killing the Demon was virtually ALWAYS better than going for a Mayor win there. Sure, it's easy to say whilst spectating and seeing the whole Grim, but if Mousie truly believed that Briony was just a good player, then that only leaves one other player who could be the Demon. Of course, that line of logic goes out the window if Mousie wasn't confident, which I think in the end was the case. Not to mention Ben intentionally stressed them for time because, had good had more time to talk, I think Loli was dead every time. Going for Mayor victory is great when, between the two other choices, you don't know and you don't want to run the 50/50. But if you're as confident as the majority of town was that Briony was just good, then there's no point risking it in case you were drunk/poisoned (EXACTLY like what happened in this game). Like, even outside of this particular game where it may or may not have been the case, I have witnessed (firsthand) multiple Mayors just go for the Mayor victory despite the Demon being dead to rights, and then lose because of weird poison/drunk shenanigans. Mayor is great for stepping around the 50/50. But if the odds are looking more like 75/25, then just go for the execution, man! It can't be drunk or poisoned!

[@blunderstruck1]

not only is a mayor win just fun, but there’s an interesting caveat to ur logic for this particular game. no one knew what minion was in play, if it was a DA protecting the Demon, potentially a Vigormortis-killed DA, then the mayor win is the only way to win in that scenario (assuming the mayor wasn’t poisoned like they were here). so yes, executions are also subject to failure lol

[@berdyie]

@blunderstruck1 thats a fair point about DA

[@ellysemilton1309]

@@berdyie Also Mousie could have been the Marionette to Lolip, in which case she wouldn't want to execute her demon. The safest play from her perspective was a Mayor win, as noone really brought up Vigor poison targets.

[@jacksontoeniskoetter1432]

​odds of being poisoned were probably much less than 25% in a vacuum.

[@rileygoddard7181]

Game design 101: players will ALWAYS opt to use their special ability if you give them one, unless it is immediately obvious that not using it gives a separate bonus.

[@Dante2056]

I will be honest here, and before I say this I know the group having fun is more important, but as someone watching these for entertainment, I won't be watching this particular game again. This group just frustrated me, and their logic often made no sense on either side and just... I know we have all the info, but even with that some of their deductions made no sense to me. To be fair, we also don't see all the conversations, but still.

[@Sten43211]

I think that is just par for the cause with that many new players.

[@TomCantDance]

I actually agree with you for the most part. Having Ben B here to guide everyone actually made this watchable for me, but I often find it hard to watch Yogscast botc because of the lack of logical arguments and a lack of understanding of the game. Ben (Bedgar) just going off how they assume the role works rather than asking a ST seems to be par for the course for players in yogscast games. I like a lot of these guys and watch their stuff but find it hard to watch their botc vids

[@amrastheluckywoof5524]

I understand you. Personally, I really disliked Davros bashing on the demon with kinda shitty arguments time and again. In a more usual botc game, that player usually ends up dead around day/night 3

[@q-tuber7034]

I enjoyed this about as much as I enjoy watching any online BOTC game with beginning/intermediate players: i.e., it was fine. With that said, I am having trouble wrapping my head around the idea that this group, with just a fraction of the charisma and humor of NRB or even the usual BOTC channel team, has 7 million subs. What am I missing?

[@amrastheluckywoof5524]

People who grew up playing Minecraft when the Yogscast started making vids still know them. If they liked them then, there's a good chance they still like them today

[@kypello3512]

There are several things you're missing. The majority of the 7mil subs on the main Yogscast channel were from 2011-2014, from mostly Minecraft content, and from a group that has little overlap with the group in this video. The 10 or so Yogs members here aren't really representative of the Yogs as a whole (they're a BIG group with like 30+ members nowadays), and this BotC game also isn't representative of the kind of content they're mainly known for since it's pretty much new territory for them in the past year or so

[@Andrew-tb6xu]

"There are two people who have never played before..." yep okay I'm skipping this one.

[@BloodontheClocktower]

See you next week! - Ben

[@Alpha-1812]

@@BloodontheClocktower Are we going to get the second game with Rythian and Zylus as the storyteller uploaded here?

[@Crimson_Rogue97]

If people don't begin playing somewhere then we're going to be stuck with the same players doing the same plays and not getting any new perspectives. I love playing with and watching new players. It's really fun to see what they come up with and how they approach the game. Sorry this one isn't for you but I'll be having fun watching people get stuck in with new strategies and playstyles

[@amrastheluckywoof5524]

I think it is always a delight to have new players at a table. They usually make new and unexpected decisions, and it keeps you on your toes. Plus, I really like to explain things about the game to them, and watch them learn what their information means

[@Andrew-tb6xu]

@@amrastheluckywoof5524 I'd be a fool to expect no new players to play the game. I'm only speaking as a casual viewer on KZbin.