Reason why a soldier gets kicked out of the Army

[@philliprogers964]

In the marines, I got into a bar fight when the company commander was in the bar. Only thing they did to me was promote me to Sgt (e5) a week later

[@erikanthes954]

Had a Soldier in my company get into a fight. We walked them into see the BC and all he asked was "Well, did you win?" Nothing else came of it. Iron Rangers!

[@ursulasmith6402]

Good times

[@mikethemechanic7395]

I saw a E5 married busted in the barracks with a single soldier and he lost rank in the Army

[@shuowang4715]

Boss life.

[@_SamuraiWarrior_]

Phillip Rogers Ur a f idiot shame on u & ur other stupid fellow crayon eating marines, y’all can shove it up ur asses

[@jamescantu8195]

A soldier calls out corruption within command and they try to kick him out by finding dirt on him.

[@Holyhandgrenade-tx6xd]

Or moved to a different brigade

[@lelandgaunt9985]

Yep

[@jamescantu8195]

@@Holyhandgrenade-tx6xd did that happen to you?

[@Holyhandgrenade-tx6xd]

@@jamescantu8195 Nope but all too often I hear about it and see it

[@jamescantu8195]

@@Holyhandgrenade-tx6xd well I will be your next example lol

[@최금동-n3r]

This happened in the rok army. My platoon Sgt. got kicked out for gambling. Well not officially for gambling but he kept on borrowing money from the Jr. Enlisted soldiers and was not paying back. Then some soldiers reported that. Turns out he has been borrowing money from a lot more individuals than what we expected.

[@dkoz8321]

Gotta admit, that he kind of deserved the BCD.

[@mikesandoval5296]

I was asked to leave after 9 weeks.. They found out I had 2 knee surgeries prior to enlisting . This was in 1981 right out of high school..

[@subicstationditosailor4053]

I had orthopedic surgery in high school on my knee. The Navy never found out. 1987

[@darthnihilus3447]

Same thing happened to me in 2014

[@philliprogers964]

Which is why I didn't go out for high school football, seen too many people kicked out for that

[@subicstationditosailor4053]

@@philliprogers964 How did you guess I hurt my knee playing football? You must be psychic my friend. 😀

[@mikesandoval5296]

@@philliprogers964 I wasn’t foot ball . I blew one working I jump out of a produce trailer, Them I the second knee was wrestling practice

[@chiefdrumo6642]

I screwed up as a private and definitely got suspected of doing drugs. Got tested 3 times in span of a month and a half. Never did drugs and always looked at my co when I took my test.

[@1madinjun]

I got an "unsatisfactory participation" for missing a training exercise and drills. I had a Jody situation and lost my mind for a while. I got a "General Under Honorable"

[@warrenswan5842]

Could've summed this up into Misconduct, Mental Health, and H/W PT test failures. Misconduct covers everything a Soldier has direct influence on regarding their decision making skills, or lack there of. Mental Heath can stop a career dead in its tracks. Six month PHA's, and you get caught, depending on rank, MOS, ASI's, you can be found unfit for duty, which makes one undeployable, which can lead a CDR and 1SG to begin the process of pushing you to get help, only to see through the doctors "he/she is too burned out to be mission capable". While the ACFT is on pause, failing tape multiple times can send you packing, with the hope your unit won't fuck you over and try to deny your involuntary sep pay. Some units are much better than others regarding this since a lot of it is "At the commanders intent".

[@johnroberts8609]

Yeah I’m finding out about that the hard way

[@stilawesome3586]

Back in 2005 I was in aviation and it was 100% testing at random. An E5 tested positive for crystal meth prior to deployment. They knocked him down to E1, assigned him to guard duty in Iraq as an E1 where his attitude degraded and art 15 piled up and when we got back to the states he was put up for general discharge. A a soldier who was junior smoked pot and got the same "punishment" of posting guard in Iraq all year as an E1 and he improved enough to stay in but he was drug tested every week

[@OdenOdinOden]

Hey man Ik this is a late ass response but I smoke pot as well and was wondering how quick it took you to detox or if it’s even worth it to smoke?

[@jasonwells9050]

First off I just want to say thank you to all men and women in uniform past and present who have fought and served our country I always wanted to be in the military but unfortunately that dream never came to fruition as I am partially blind and that disqualified me but I do have a question for you guys who have served if somebody is deemed untrainable it's something in the army is that grounds for being kicked out of the army or would they just find something else for you to do?

[@barke27barker19]

That would be on a case by case basis. Most likely it would be grounds for a Chapter 13 (Unsatisfactory Performance).

[@Williameagleblanket]

Adultery- when I was in the Marines, we had one who got caught. He was a sergeant, busted down to lance corporal. He served in Beirut and had ten ribbons on his chest. I think the Marines let him stay in because of his combat tour. This was 1986 when I first met him in my battalion at Camp Pendleton. 🇺🇸

[@patrickbranch9001]

Adultery that seems more like the person business who is doing

[@roguemonk9840]

Had a Joe who was literary "Ruby Rhod!" from the movie The Fifth Element. He was a PT stud, but no military bearing and can't be at the right time and place. Years later, Army finally chaptered that Diva for failure to adapted the army standards.

[@jvolstad]

US Army Retired, MSG. My younger brother got kicked out of Basic. I don't think he ever adjusted to being a soldier.

[@ralphh.2200]

Has he done ok since then?

[@jvolstad]

@@ralphh.2200 Yes

[@daniellemcdonald6010]

Mostly popping hot on urinalysis

[@johnfleming7879]

My experience that simply failing drug test will result in a rehab program.Article 15 is administrative punishment in lieu of judicial punishment. You still have some defenses.Art 15 is for specific action.

[@peterpierce9233]

My son had his ex Wife ( active Navy ) charged with UCMJ Article 86. Check it out. She was kicked out and so was her Navy bf.

[@Lukeclout]

1. Drug 2. Drunkin, Driving 3.Adultery - PT/HT/WT

[@Will-qw8xb]

Any chance u could give a detail video about cav scouts? Shipping out in July

[@SGobuck]

Pay attention, do everything right the first time and embrace the suck.

[@cardude6617]

I love your championship belt

[@gigamut11b86]

Back in '92-'93, Ft. Benning...had a company commander piss hot...she turned evidence...then 3 mths later she pissed hot again...bye bye...lol...(well, that is how I remember it...I've had a TBI that's messed with my memories.....so, that it as what it is....someone just talking...lol) I hope that everyone will have a great day & be safe. :)

[@ursulasmith6402]

Weight problems come from GMO and hormone fed livestock. DON'T BLAME THE SOLDIERS!

[@christianemmanuelf.domingo793]

Im about to get kick out cuz i been e4 for so long lol

[@gazzabyerun9556]

Really would of thought medical (injuries).

[@stevenearley]

Don’t do drugs and you ain’t got to worry about a damn drug test

[@gotdatazz123]

Right just smoke weed😉

[@Madashell1200]

Yeah the 'just say no' logic has been so successful.

[@juniper154]

@@gotdatazz123 That's literally one of the last things you should do while serving.

[@Toons595]

@@Madashell1200 Wtf more do you want? If you can't go without doing drugs to do your job, then don't join the fucking military?? Like, what other solution do you think there is?

[@mctransportation9831]

You need something to dumb you down in order to go along with the nonsense.

[@M1ke10191]

The beatings will continue until morale improves

[@paraguaymike5159]

We will keep serving Western Omelet T Rats for dinner until morale improves.

[@scottjohnson9912]

In 1984 I knew a SSG with 16 years in the military, he was one of the best NCO, s I ever served with . He always scored 300 on his pt test . Unfortunately, he was just a big guy and I watched them chapter this good man out of the Army with only 4 years to retirement. Totally disgusted me watching what they did to him and his family . I was a E5 at the time and when my ETS date came up they wanted me to re enlist . I chose to get out due to what I saw them do to this good man . 2 years later I joined the National Guard and ended up doing 30 years all together retiring as a SFC with 3 deployments. I would have stayed in the RA if they hadn't totaly screwed my freind over .

[@jvolstad]

Did they tape him?

[@ElMeroChano]

i knew a staff as well back in '86 , 18 1/2 years, a Vietnam vet, got busted down to E=5, E-4 and chaptered out as an E-3 in Ft Campbell KY. it was heart breaking to see him go out like that.

[@jvolstad]

@@ElMeroChano because of weight?

[@ElMeroChano]

@@jvolstad no, the story was he had rental furniture and he moved it without letting the rental company know he moved it, and they pressed the chain of command, if that was really the case, the chain of command had it in for him., sad part was, he lived in the barracks.

[@Polemic-2525]

I appreciate your loyalty to your friend and your service to our country. Its sounds like there should be a system of protection against these witch-hunts on a Division level.

[@randyjanz7339]

When we had urinalysis test I saw people eat butter, drink olive oil, and drink other crazy stuff to try and beat the test.

[@chiefdrumo6642]

I heard of “flooding the kidneys”

[@michaelprather8371]

There's really no way to "cleanse" drugs from your system other than time. This is the biggest issue for lovers of the Devil's Lettuce, which can be detected for up to a month depending on usage and individual metabolism. @Chief Drumo, if you drink massive amounts of water the day of the test, it can dilute THC metabolites to an undetectable level. However, the drug test industry has caught up with this. Labs will fail or ask to retest if your urine is "too clear". When they analyze your sample they look for concentration of compounds usually found in urine. The "Cleansing" products that head shops sell contain a high enough concentration of what gets diluted to allow your sample to appear normal. If you were in more than 25 years ago, this method would have worked.

[@shancraig-zt8du]

Vinegar!!! 1 lt and 1 gal of water.

[@christophertrunnell8500]

They should stay clean to start with they signed on the dotted line they know what they got into they can drug test me all day long

[@Big_AlMC]

@Sae woodall just stating fax. People who get kicked out for failed drug tests are pretty retarded.

[@enlistedlife4881]

My unit had a guy who was the most squared away 11c in the battalion. His mom had cancer and he wanted to leave . In the span of four months he got a face tattoo, told off the sgt major, refused to work , pissed hot and had three article 15s . They forced him to go to NTC before he could leave and he still got a honorable discharge. It is really hard to get kicked out.

[@Holyhandgrenade-tx6xd]

If that doesn't say the army trying to save money idk what does 🤣

[@GabrielFreitas-ml8cc]

Just because that happened the way it did with that 11C, does NOT mean that is how the entire army operates and is thus “really hard to get kicked out.” I’ve personally seen junior soldiers get kicked out for WAYYY minor offenses than the list of things that 11C did. That’s literally once in a blue moon. To say he was lucky is an understatement. But please, don’t try to use that as an example of how hard it is to get kicked out of the army. It’s simply not true and incredibly misleading. It also kind of gives the army a bad rep.

[@NCrdwlf]

He shoulda just gotten fat . The infantry hates that.

[@ElMeroChano]

Something similar like that happened at Bragg, in ‘96, his mom was sick with a terminal disease, and his sister passed away, he asked for a compassionate reassignment, was told “no”, then he started the dressing in ladies clothes, after “no” again, then the article 15’s came, and then one day dude just got up left and went AWOL.

[@julioguzman6814]

Hard to get kicked out if you wantto leave and easy if you don’t

[@ElMeroChano]

back in the late 80's early 90's while in the Duece (82nd) it was like a mafia,,,, you could raise hell, get into a fight and end up in jail while it was swept under a rug, then some would be late for PT formation and it was the end of the world for that joe,,, they would stack counseling statements on joe, give him all the crap duty and CQ on holidays and weekends and eventually give him the boot.

[@1johnmthompson]

There's a reason why they used to call it the 82nd airplane gang 🤔

[@ursulasmith6402]

That is wrong.

[@ElMeroChano]

@@ursulasmith6402 wrong? It was very wrong, but that was life in the Duece

[@NCrdwlf]

I was in during those years and saw more guys get chaptered out for failing PT tests, than anything else .

[@Cascadia88]

Largest thing I’ve seen after drugs was PT failure. Have had numerous soldiers fail a dozen times before getting kicked out, it was obvious it was on purpose after the 3rd time

[@erikanthes954]

Definitely PT and weight control failures are WAAAY more common than these. These three are bad, but not as common as admin separations for PT/600-9

[@philliprogers964]

My nephew got kicked out with a general discharge because his wife was collecting housing pay while living on base housing. He's very successful now only because employers don't check military records

[@pfclumi]

If you plan on joining the Army Christopher Chaos is THE go-to channel. Everything he discusses is spot on. I know from personal experience, I said it once and I will say it again. Your channel has by far the most reliable information when it comes to basic run-downs of army life.

[@christopherchaos]

Thanks!

[@billbaker2725]

Guy in my unit at riley got sent to Leavenworth for a double murder in the early 1990s... probably still there

[@bigrickthegoat]

dang you probably shook hands with a killer

[@wilsonle61]

@@bigrickthegoat Guy on my reserve ship in the 80's killed his superior officer with a knife. Mitchell Garroway was his name. Last I checked he was still in Federal prison. Should have been a firing squad on the fantail vice life in prison.

[@ssgus3682]

PT failure usually has the caveat that the Soldier is not making any progress towards passing their APFT.

[@markwakefield3262]

Yup my new CSM wanted to clean house so he had all APFT failures chaptered out. Took the PT test in the morning if you failed you're given another one the following day, if you failed that one you were getting your ass fast track out the same day in some cases.

[@justaguy1253]

@@markwakefield3262 couldn’t someone do an IG complaint for that?

[@markwakefield3262]

@@justaguy1253 failing to meet basic military physical fitness standards was actually a reason to be chaptered out the Army.

[@justaguy1253]

@@markwakefield3262 yeah but it’s the Army’s job to maintain overall fitness. From what I remember you can’t really do a back to back for record PT test like that without at least giving the soldier time to better themselves.

[@markwakefield3262]

@@justaguy1253 usually the CSM can have up to one PT test a week. Two can be "recorded" or official and two can be a "practice". They will have to be on a battalion level because they can't single a soldier out for an individual PT test multiple times by themselves. That is most definitely an IG complaint. Then it's up to command to take appropriate action. On the platoon level it's up to the PL or platoon Sgt. To help that soldier with remedial training to help with thier APFT if that soldier shows no improvement the final option is to chapter them out.

[@lloydaurion-gaming46]

My mom was Air Force back in the 80s and she said everyone was smoking weed. The higher ups just kinda gave them a slap on the wrist and was like yeah yeah don’t do this. Told my mom people get kicked out for that kinda thing now a days and she was surprised lol

[@michaelthornton20]

I was in the Air Force from 76 to 86. Started out as an Airman Basic and got out a Captain Squadron Section Commander. We had a mandatory urinalysis program and if you came up positive you were seriously in trouble and if you had an incident involving marijuana, you were in serious trouble. I discharged a lot of guys and only one was because he couldn't do his job. Most everybody was discharge for a pattern of misconduct. Generally I needed six incidents to justify a discharge. Generally we said that leopards don't change their spots.

[@lloydaurion-gaming46]

@@michaelthornton20 to be fair my mom was stationed up in North Dakota. Most likely everyone my mom knew in chain of command just didn’t care. It was grand forks AFB

[@dknowles60]

@@michaelthornton20 the air force will kick you out for a clean drug test. they dont like possion of Marijuana

[@church9913]

I searched up Fowler from Jarhead and this was one of the results that came out of my recommended.

[@georgepatton9744]

I was actually chaptered out for being .06% over weight and that was right after the MRI showed both if my ACLs were torn so they didn't meducally reture me.

[@coryrad9575]

keep selling it-I ain't buying

[@hatefuldisplay]

When I was the drug and alcohol NCO for my battery, we generally pulled numbers for a hat for the random drug tests. Lest number of the social won. If we suspected someone was using, their number might have been drawn while looking. It was usually a couple failed drug tests prior to chaptering a soldier out, but that was the 90's. Outside of those who failed drug tests, most of the people I saw chaptered were done so due to different felonies committed. Some of the felony folks just ended up in military prison as was the case for a soldier who molested his stepdaughter and another who had sex with a 15 year old dependent. I only saw one soldier chaptered for not making his weight and he had months to fix it. I saw guys who couldn't pass their PT test do entire tours without getting the boot. My former brother in law did 8 years in the National Guard without passing his PT test after training. I always find it funny when I hear guys make claims to being kicked out for cursing out their commanders or whatever. Cool story when no veterans are around to debunk it, I guess.

[@MegaTroyhamilton]

In Oct 1982 I was kicked out for failing a drug test in basic. I had smoked marijuana before leaving for basic. No option. Just say no was Nancy reasons watch word.

[@Williameagleblanket]

25th ID (L) I remember a soldier discharged for failing the APFT in 1999. Others I saw did drugs, alcohol abuse in which they didn’t finish the detox program, seen a soldier get out for being too fat. **edit** the soldier who failed the APFT failed three consecutive tests. He was taped, but passed that. I think he just wanted out of the Army.

[@michaelbruce6190]

DAMN!!!!!! That's crazy, but I got out 25 years ago and things have changed like crazy. We were flagged and taped, then put on remedial PT, then if someone didn't pass their PT test, they were chaptered out.

[@brutusblack5447]

I was in the Army from 1979-1982 stationed in Bamberg, West Germany at the time. I was 11B. I remembered in the winter of '81 I was sent to PNOC in Katterbach. One Saturday night me and some classmates went to pick up another classmate stationed on post. When we arrived at the barracks, 2 white guys were in handcuffs escorted by 2 MP's. I asked the CQ what he caught them with dope!!!! He said no position 69!!! DAMN!!!!When I was in the Army, if caught engaging in homosexuality would get a person kicked out QUICK!!!!!

[@ryanelgieextrastuff]

It's depressing that something like that was something you could be kicked out of the army for. Fucking on duty is another thing though

[@dutchray8880]

I was in the Army from 71 to 74. There were gays and lesbians around but nobody cared. Then again, none that I knew of were caught in the act on the base.

[@dennisholiday1868]

@@dutchray8880 In West Germany we did a lot of drugs over there and did not worry about what people did. As long as they was not CID. We hated them more than the livers.

[@fperry8613]

In Berlin 1987, we had one soldier on the weekend never came back. His plt sgt had all his personal gear packed and sent home. Later it was found out he had got caught with his boyfriend in one of the gay bars . He was shipped out for his safety and chapter out.

[@VGMRMissCoriel]

I seen a lot of people kicked out for alcohol and drugs. Some people for domestic and sexual abuse. One guy had some illegal porn on his lappy.. At least with the drugs and alcohol, they would put them through ASAP first to see if they can clean up back then. Most of them wouldn't clean up tho D:

[@KARS215]

One thing you should’ve mentioned is Commander’s discretion. I’ve know soldiers personally who’ve popped hot on a drug test and was able to be retained because they had a good relationship with the CO.

[@andrewschliewe6392]

Not so much with drug tests.

[@Spicybepis]

Your comment is the truth that’s how it is

[@JB-ez2jz]

@@andrewschliewe6392 depends what time period it was. During the heavy deployment rotations of the early 2000’s it was much more common. Saw it personally

[@ianpeine5697]

A guy who was in my company and got moved to HHC popped hot for weed and he's getting a general discharge. After 6 months he can go to the discharge board and get his general upgraded to an honorable discharge.

[@samhain3530]

As a civilian employee with the Army, I knew an officer (O6) who caught a DUI. Administrative action was taken, most probably preventing an expected future promotion. He was also reassigned to what I would call a shit assignment overseas, etc etc. Good man, sad story. He died of a broken heart(or whatever).

[@TheBlackhorse1954]

I new a Col, who was the base commander Mintz-Finten Air Field in the late 80's, or very early 90's. They had a unit Christmas party at the Club on Wiesbaden Air Base. When they were leaving, he got stopped at the front gate and they arrested him for DUI. Completely ruined his career. I didn't know him that well, but my daughter was best friends with his daughter and went to school together. Such a shame. He ended up retiring.

[@evinchester7820]

Oh no. The Guard does random testing all the TIME. I enlisted in July. Got tested in Aug. Got tested in Feb and then got tested in March. It is all computer generated. And yes, they kick people out for not passing their pizz test. Seen it in the Army, the Reserves and the Guard.

[@JorgeGarcia-hx4qy]

You forgot to say pregnant in bootcamp they get kick out so fast.

[@drusanchez3287]

@@ydgydywbg pun intended?

[@pychohobo1832]

Something wrong there. I never heard of a SM being kicked out of basic for being pregnant. Sms will not be allowed into basic while being pregnant. If one becomes pregnant during basic. They are pulled out of basic training ( same with AIT) and become holdover status. Until they are no longer pregnant. Then they resume training. Now. They may be given the option to leave serve. On soldiers choose. But they may not be forced out. This is a legal issue. That if pushed can result in the Army paying for everything for the child. By everything, I am refering to birth, day care, schooling, college ECT, ECT. So as you can see. It in the Army's best interest to allow the young lady to continue her training when able and ETS out. Another, is after the child is born. Unable to provide care. No care plan. A mother may choose to leave serves. From my experience, the Army move pretty quick on this chaptering. And in no way, hurt the mother if down the road. She decides to reenlist. And yes this can happen in basic.

[@BaffinSailor]

I tried this and my girlfriend left me 😆

[@HeywoodJablome]

@@pychohobo1832 thats complete BS, we had a chick report to our unit at knox fresh out of AIT when I was in a few months pregnant and showing

[@pychohobo1832]

@@HeywoodJablome I'm not understanding what you are saying is B'S. The poster claiming PG is grounds to be discharged QUICK from basic Or What I said above. If you are referring to the poster. Which means I agree with you. As I believe I have shown. Just as a FYI. I know a female that was reenlisting. Had a break in serves. She was not going to a new AIT, just strait to permanet party. At MEPS it was found she was pregnant. She was denied to reenlist at that point. Personally, I felt there should have been a waiver because she was prior serves, not going into AIT. And her husband was also reenlisting. ( Same day). She ended up waiting another year to go back in. Which in the long run, caused her death 2 years later.

[@SGobuck]

I saw a handful of guys get removed from OSUT simultaneously for having lied about prior charges that should have kept them out in the first place.

[@breathstealer5486]

Never trust that a drug test won't pop up especially right after leave Had a fresh guy in my unit turn white after we had just joked about there being a drug test and we all just shook our heads

[@user-sc1qi3ce7j]

I wanna say as a Marine reservist (former), they tested at least 10% of the company every month. Being an NCO meant you were a assigned as a "meat gazer"...

[@latrelllarson7815]

My experience in basic was more lax became of Coronavirus if you fail multiple events in the ACFT then they would day 1 restart you or just start the chapter process. It’s more common than you would think.

[@Komodokhan148]

When my brother was in the army he told me about an NCO E-7 who just came home from deployment and found out his wife was going to divorce him. So he shot and killed his wife burned down his house and later kidnapped his two kids and drove them five states over. A manhunt ensued and he was caught and arrested just 2 weeks later. From what my brother told me he's still locked up in federal prison to this day.

[@georgepatton9744]

She won''t be f@@king Jody no mo'.

[@haggis525]

At about 30 seconds in you said "drug test" and I'm all pause the video, man, I gotta take a hit on the pipe! Nice to be high... be cool, Chaos!

[@dougtheeliminator1077]

I came across soldiers that were labeled as "repeat screw ups." Constantly getting Article 15s for this and that. I often wondered why they enlisted to begin with.

[@mickey875]

To serve my country during a time of war

[@familywarriorproject5145]

@@mickey875 that's right bro us fuck up wanted to blow stuff up to.

[@RaiderOverBoss]

Had a 1sg whom is Korean and would say remember the 4 Ds Don’t Do Dumb Dings... well took me a few moments afterwards to realize what he said... then I realized that it was funny but not haha funny

[@snake9911]

What about if you go AWOL? When I went to basic training and AIT in the 1980's, they warned us about if you go AWOL.

[@HarambetheWhite]

They send out the MP's to recover them and bring them back. Could lose rank, could get court marshaled. Generally you wont get any discharge as that's kinda what they want to begin with. You'd be amazed how many times the MP'S find AWOL's at their parents house.

[@snake9911]

@@HarambetheWhite I never went AWOL. There was a guy in my platoon that did. He turned himself in after I don't know how long. I don't know what happened to him. I was glad that I wasn't in his position. Thanks.

[@snake9911]

@@dennisivan85 Dennis, when this guy that was in my platoon, was back, one of my drill sargents was really mad and irritated with the guy who was AWOL. I was just glad that I wasn't in his position.

[@snake9911]

@@dennisivan85 I knew that you had 30 days to turn yourself in. Sometimes they may find you in under 39 days however.

[@lonewalker4115]

When I was in the army I was under weight they just gave me extra food till I got to the weight standard

[@NCrdwlf]

Same , I was underweight in basic and was watched by the drills very closely . They had a talk with me about my weight. I came in the army as a cross country runner in HS, so was pretty thin, but very fit . I made sure I maxed my pt tests .

[@robertperkins7082]

In the 80s When I enlisted I had a weight issue but it was because I played football in school and was built like the box the refrigerator came in, I got a waiver but had issues, and I maxed out all of my PT tests. Bob

[@joelpierce3940]

Now you better be PC, and don’t even joke, as per the new Sec. of Defense.

[@zachc8706]

My guesses before watching the video: Alcohol/drug use, PT and/or weight failure, and AWOL.

[@weiqhh8539]

How much do u need to weigh?

[@andrewschliewe6392]

In my 10 years as a Legal NCO, the top 3 involuntary chapters were failing a drug test, PT failure, and being overweight. Top voluntary discharge was for women, pregnancy; for men, Failure to overcome a Bar to Reenlistment (which has been removed from the AR/DA Pam).

[@captainamerica6525]

Former 11B20 here, 101st Airborne. When I was in the 3 biggest career killers were DWI, Drugs/Alcohol, Weight Standards. Another one believe it or not was blood pressure too high.

[@TheUSARMYINFANTRY]

Strikkke!!

[@beefy2581]

It really is unit dependent as unit policies and locations come into play. i.e. a unit can have a no tolerance policy and one DUI be cause for initiation of separation (two is the Army policy). My unit here I mainly process separations for drugs, patterns of misconduct, domestic violence, and mental status.

[@SpidermansSymbiote]

It's such BS that they kick solders out for doing drugs on their own time. Here in Canada, you're allowed to smoke weed in the military and the sky hasn't fallen.

[@alansparks4600]

In the US Military, you have no "own free time".

[@eq1373]

You're clearly never been in the military 🙄

[@SpidermansSymbiote]

@@eq1373 I was in for over 5 years

[@tzazarizona2676]

The Canadians wont need to be sober when the balloon goes up because the American GIs will step up.

[@ronloomis8245]

I have trained with the Cadanian Army. My hunting buddies have more firepower and shoot better.

[@zacm9747]

I had 2 article 15s including a field grade for smoking weed before I went to Iraq lol. I still finished and got an honorable discharge. I was 11B and idk why I didn't get kicked out but I did have a 300 PT score, always qualified expert on the m4, I was pretty good at my MOS so they kept me I guess 😂 this was back in 2008

[@TheUSARMYINFANTRY]

Same here bro. Just no deployment. Stay high brother.

[@wherecar54]

I hadn’t realized how hot this topic is. I can tell you in BCT my platoon had a serious attrition rate of discharges from failure to qualify with an M-16, to some guy’s knee swelling up a run from a high school football injury. By the time I graduated Basic my platoon was at 60 % at the end of the cycle.

[@ursulasmith6402]

They need to let Marijuana alone. Harder drugs, yes.

[@Christian-vt9zp]

Just seeing this video. In the army and they are so desperate for people they won’t anyone go for any reason even a medboard.

[@liamcrawford9861]

I'm currently serving in the Army right now. About a year ago there were like 5 guys in our company that were in serious trouble for drug use. Out of those 5 guys, around 3 out of 5 of those guys got kicked out. The other 2 were each let off with a demotion and some other forms of discipline. We also had a guy who was sent to Leavenworth for actively dealing drugs in our barracks; that same guy went AWOL and got caught. That all happened a few months before the other guys tested positive. A few months before then, we had a guy kicked out for a DUI.

[@johnbante5594]

Good riddens, makes life easier for everyone else

[@dogmanvidana7958]

Well also the navy is kicking sailors out if they don’t advance in a given time

[@mtnairpilot]

When a soldier gets an Article 15 and busted down in rank, can they recover and still have a good career or do they exit on their own?

[@ricksher1320]

I reported to my first AD unit in early 1988, at that time height and weight were not a big deal and if you failed a PT test you were given MANY chances to re test. It was about 1989/90 that all that changed if you were over weight and fail the tape test you had 90 days to get under and you only had 2 chances to pass the PT test after a failure. In addition while you were trying to get under weight or pass the PT test you could not go to schools, deploy, PCS or receive awards it really messed with your life.

[@billbaker2725]

After desert storm they really cracked down on that stuff...

[@adamhutto1660]

It got really stupid after ODS. Dudes that were fantastic in the deployment, gunnery, etc., but didn't function well in the dog and pony show in Germany at the time were let go because of drinking.

[@House.Of.Pain.]

I knew people who got kicked out for every one of these especially DUI, and Pissing hot like a lot I was in from 2011-2017

[@gulfwarveteran3832]

When I was in 86 to 92 guy got kicked out for writing bad checkd

[@andrewschliewe6392]

Oh yes, that is a legit reason. Especially, if he had Secret or Higher clearance.

[@bdr6232]

Saw several guy's get kicked out. 88-89 West Germany Dustoff unit 45 TH. Saw one soldier take from the barracks by MP's for selling stolen goods. Same unit a guy got chaptered out for being on the fat boy program, he just didn't care. One guy in basic 1987 Ft. Jackson in he's 30's washed out twice in basic failure to adapt, I was 27 , in 1987-1997 Aviation Dustoff & Quartermaster Corps. Everyone here thank you for serving. 🇺🇸

[@kayshaun3871]

national guard it can be every drill weekend for the drug test!

[@Staticjumper]

Proving adultery is next to impossible. Unless someone is seen actually in the act, they can simply deny it. The only case I saw during my 20 years was a female in Germany who got pregnant even though her husband was in the States and they hadn't seen each other in a year.

[@ericklozada2440]

I tell my leadership everyday feel free to kick me out im over the army

[@kdubyaw3246]

go ahead, see how many jobs you will qualify for down the road, it's tough with anything under a honorable discharge. Stick it out, get that honorable, you will be glad you did in the future.

[@kayp4601]

For weight, the Army usually gives the soldier a chance to lose weight by enrolling them in the weight control program first. The soldier needs to lose 3-8 pounds a month to stay in and make satisfactory progress on the weight control program. I was on weight control a few times. Lost the weight each time and got promoted. I only saw one soldier booted for being over weight. Now I am on the VAs weight loss program called MOVE lol. I struggled with weight my whole life. A lot depends on what type of soldier you are. If you fail tape but are a good troop otherwise your command will usually work with you. What a lot of commands do is not allow overweight soldiers to reenlist and force the overweight troop to ETS.

[@orionexplorer]

When I was in the Army (85-98) I was a Private and we had an excellent E4 he would be a patrol leader on dismounted patrols. I was a 19D10 at the time. Well, this knuckle head kept coming up hot on his UA. He got 2 Summary Article 15's, Then he came up hot a third time and they busted him down to E1 and he was barred from re-enlistment. The sad part was he was wanting a career in the Army, but he couldn't leave the weed alone.

[@bertrandlewis4906]

He's a moron. It's his fault.

[@No-1.In.Particular]

How do I study for the ASVAB, that's the only thing holding me back.

[@haydenspurling5715]

I recommend buying the Kaplan ASVAB Prep Plus (2020-2021) version. Worked wonders, read that book cover to cover.

[@antoniofranco77]

Grammar hero on youtube. Got me a pretty high score.

[@yurynadar7494]

Asvab for Dummies 2021 is the best option, went from 55 to 78 after studying a couple weeks, good luck dude!

[@xNulg]

@@antoniofranco77 What was your gt?

[@antoniofranco77]

@@xNulg 108

[@hughsonj]

In 1999, I had a buddy who was in his re-enlistment window get a DUI. He was reduced 1 grade to E-3 and barred from re-enlisting. Also, in 2000, I had a room to myself in the barracks, but I got a temporary roommate when a SGT was served a temporary restraining order from his future ex-wife due to domestic violence. The CO ordered him to live in the barracks until the company deployed a few weeks later on a peacekeeping mission. I'm not sure of the outcome, because I ETSed a few months later.

[@mav99700]

The 'Reserve' used to hold (-2009) 'pee' tests every month. It was supposed to be random, but, all the 'randomees' (sic) might not be present and 25% of the roster needed to be sampled (quite common for 50% - 75% not present because of mobilizations, etc). The 'new' volunteers were selected 'randomly'. Which depending on the number of soldiers present, each soldier stood a SOLID chance of being tested quite regularly. One would think, that in and of itself would be deterrent enough to 'stop' drug use while 'in' the reserves. Let's just say, some 'light bulbs' are not as bright as others.

[@ozzygrunt4812]

Drugs, theft, civil offence i.e rape or domestic violence as well as discipline reasons. They are dishonourable discharges within the Australian army, and yes, I’ve seen soldiers go this way plenty of times. I’ve experienced being in a section of 9 soldiers, reduced to 4 with 5 soldiers being dragged off pre-MilSkills training, one of the guys was done via his wife calling the police on him. Theft in the barracks, one guy was trashing the barracks rooms, when the entire battalion was out bush, he was drummed out of the battalion and was placed in the cells ‘for his own protection just prior to the drumming where he had to walk the ring road, lined by all of the 700 plus members which turned their backs on him. I was medically discharged, my pack was way to heavy, being a grunt did it for me.

[@jeffmixwvbr]

A way that I've seen is failing the APFT. Someone that I served with didn't want to deploy to SWA and instead failed multiple times and got separated from the Army.

[@doug814]

Whoa! Adultery? That's wild!

[@slackhackman9115]

I new a guy who burned down a huge billboard off Ft Benning back in 1990. That would've removed me from the ranks. I'm so glad no one got hurt.

[@mikethemechanic7395]

Was it on VD drive? I was at Benning 93-97.

[@JamesMCrutchley]

Do people get kicked out for mental health diagnosis? And would it be an honorable discharge or would it be a dishonorable discharge? Examples include schizophrenia which commonly develops in the early to mid 20's. PTSD is also an issue. I know PTSD can be treated but many mental health issues can prevent people from being effective in combat or life in general. How does the military deal with it? Some people are not mentally ill but are completely unsuitable for the military. Someone could be a sociopath or psychopath and be functional and not break any rules and meet the requirements. Except for the bat shit crazy part.

[@4catsnow]

'67-70'....when we were in,,we could soldier with anybody....it was the incessant, unrelenting bullshit....dumbest thing I ever did...damn near got me killed...

[@TXNAT1VE]

Results may vary... saw many soldiers during 2012-2018 get screwed.... buddy buddy system... tape... not being able to run the standard because of their pride not going to get their injuries taken care of... not seeking mental health and just breaking... some took the forever solution... even now im active duty... and the gate keeping is still there. Politics within the ranks at an all time high... only good thing is having a better (not great) health record to keep track of all the chaos. I recommend all soldiers to seek behavioral health if you are dealing with the issues the army throws at you. Mind over matter we all meet the reaper... karma will even things out... the war continues in hell... see you in fiddlers green

[@bw3154]

You have to put effort into getting kicked out. Army stays giving people chances. I only saw one dishonorable and it was because the soldier got caught with drugs multiple times. This was after that individual was already going through the chapter process. My unit wrecked them, and rightfully so.

[@dennisholiday1868]

Who remembers the Charpter 10- Undesirable Discharge? Well I definitely do! Old School Discharge!

[@Steve-ti1cu]

When I was in the army there were married soldiers cheating all the time, it was a common practice, I don't recall anybody getting disciplined for it.

[@christopherchaos]

There are also people that do drugs all the time and don't get in trouble too. It all comes down to proving it to get in trouble.

[@Big_AlMC]

@@christopherchaos It is very hard to chapter for Adultery. They have to be witnessed in the act and provin without a shadow of a doubt. Only once I saw it happen. Female SPC was fuckin a SSG in the showers in Kuwait. Someone walked in and witnessed them fucking. Hard evidence.

[@patriotbob]

My nephew got chaptered for being untrainable. He failed out of not 1, not 2, but 3 AITs. How on earth can that happen? So he will have to explain that for about the rest of his life. That will not be fun. So why did you get out of the Army? what does this mean untrianable? Well I flunked out of 3 schools and the Army labeled me as Stupid. This is what happens when you home school your kids.

[@Malphesus]

I knew a couple guys who were kicked out for insubordination and one for going AWOL twice

[@giryongchung7886]

Command leadership failure

[@eduardosuarezalvarado1467]

what about military downsizing

[@thomasryan2679]

That drug test is supposedly random. I had never been tested until after attending a day-off, volleyball game. I don't drink, smoke, or have ever used drugs. At the volleyball game I wore a marijuana tee-shirt thinking it was funny. Later they tested me 3 times that year. Someone was a snitch and it didn't work.

[@ppapin4245]

Not sure how far you made it in the Army Christopher, but I did 22 years and the MOST often reason for being chaptered out was PT failure/overweight. Drug use was hardly ever the reason. I actually saw more people get kicked out for failure to maintain financial responsibilities then get chaptered out for drugs.

[@oldunemployeddude6160]

I was the legal clerk 77 to 81. Chaptered 2 guys for homosexuality. AWOL over 30 days. In those days getting chaptered for coming up positive on a drug test or you couldn’t stop drinking you got an honorable discharge. Lots of Chapter 10 other than honorable discharges instead of a courts-martial for selling drugs. Article 15s we’re a lot of drunks getting into fights. DUIs . Warrant Officer DUIs went to the commanding general

[@peterking2651]

We had an officer screwing DRACs (Director Royal Armoured Corps, a 4 star general) wife, a truly career limiting move.

[@dougshukers4658]

I had several, several fellow soldiers that got caught messing with other's wives. Article 15 was just the start of their problems. The other soldiers in the unit made their lives hell until they PCS'd. In one case the offender had to be sent back to the state's for his own safety. Different world. Back then drug tests were not a thing and about 6 moths before I ETS'd they started doing random tests.

[@MooseBme]

Marines, Okinawa, early 1990's. "Fall out and into formation in P.T. gear and stand by for: ANY tattoos that can be seen. Being overweight. Or, "just not looking good in uniform." And if you have any charges... " Some got options, some got immediately dissmissed from duty. Those of us who were left, got the old: "Standby for more" upcoming responsibility (for those of us who are left)! With big (yep, this is going to suck) $hit eating grins, from our commanders. As they looked at the few of us that were left. The last one was the kicker, 'cause they weren't kidding!

[@stevejorgensen5274]

Back in the 70s the approach was they didn't care how drunk you were just so you could do your job. A friend of mines brother in the Marines keeps getting called on weight. He has like 5% fat. He is a big boy. He has to then go get a fat test then he is OK for another year.