The Reality Of Henry VIII And Anne Boleyn's Relationship | Lovers Who Changed History | Chronicle

[@DebdenJohnny]

The ultimate irony is that, despite everything Henry did to perpetuate the his Dynasty by having a son, the daughter of Anne, whom he executed eventually became one of our greatest monarchs and, because of her not having marrying or having children, the Tudor Dynasty ended with her!

[@nyahanan]

King Henry VIII get a curse from the Almighty Lord for adultery! Germany get the curse for not following the Gospel!

[@IndigoBellyDance]

Ultimate irony is how he blamed his wives for not having a son When he determined the sex of the child 😂😂😂😂😂

[@DebdenJohnny]

@@IndigoBellyDance Henry was quite capable of fathering a son. He had a son Edward by his wife Jane Seymour who became Edward V1. He also had another son by his mistress Elizabeth Blount named Henry Fitzroy who Henry acknowledge as his son.

[@IndigoBellyDance]

@@DebdenJohnny sperm determines the sex of the child (X or Y chromosome). Sperm comes from father, all mothers give their child the X chrosome. So, Henry very much determined the sex of all of his children. But he blamed his first two wives for only giving him healthy girls.

[@thanhhuongnguyen4648]

​@@IndigoBellyDance con trai của Anne và Catherine of Aragon đều chết non . Edward 6 chết bệnh ở tuổi 15. Con trai riêng của Henry 8 cũng rất khó sống qua tuổi trưởng thành. Chứng tỏ , Henry 8 có thể đã khiến các con trai không được khoẻ mạnh .

[@angelwingstn3392]

I think Elizabeth never got married and had children due to her father. With the affairs, killing or casting away of his wives, I'm pretty sure that left a bad imprint on her.

[@-KMA-]

And she most likely didn’t want a king out of spite imo. Had she married, she could say goodbye to being a powerful queen, as the king would’ve taken over. She did good but sadly no heirs. She pulled a feminist move lol.

[@dianalynnelizabeth780]

she was also inappropriately abused/harassed by Thomas Seymour when she was an early teen while living with Henry’s last wife, Catherine Parr. After Henry died in 1547, Catherine Parr married Thomas Seymour. Thomas Seymour began to show affection toward Elizabeth, tickling her by slapping her on her behind as she lay in her bed, or coming into her room in his nightclothes. Her governess, Kat Ashley, thought this scandalous, and reported it to Catherine It was a horrible scandal that was said to have also seriously traumatized Elizabeth, especially when Catherine found out and basically kicked Elizabeth out of her house. Elizabeth looked up to Catherine and had found a mother like figure in Catherine Parr, which made it all worse. Catherine Parr was a Protestant and the first woman in England to write & publish a book under her own name. Elizabeth looked up to and was very close with Catherine Parr. Years later, after Elizabeth had been kicked out of the household, Catherine Parr sadly died during childbirth and Seymour was executed by his own nephew, king Edward VI when he tried to kidnap king Edward VI at gunpoint in 1549 at Hampton Court because he was looking to gain more Influence and power at the royal court.

[@angelwingstn3392]

@@dianalynnelizabeth780 Thank you. I didn't know about some of this. It would have most definitely left a scar on Elizabeth.

[@ardenalexa94]

@@dianalynnelizabeth780 yeah, at least today when traumas happen, there’s mental health care available. Back then they didn’t have child services and mental health care. Feel so bad for Elizabeth 1st. Thomas Seymour was disgusting.

[@basiabasia3387]

that shows she was NOT THAT CLEVER as after her death .... TUDORS ceased to exist:(:(:(

[@giuliamassimino2840]

He was a horrible person, a mass murderer, a cruel man. He did not love Anne, nor any other of his wives or lovers. What he did to them and to "traitors" was disgusting, even for people from that historical period... and I feel so sorry for Catherine, she didn't deserve all that cruelty.

[@laurad324]

That’s what you get with inbreeding.

[@harrietharlow9929]

No, she absolutely did not. She was a good wife and queen. It certainly was not her fault that little Prince Henry died, nor that she could not give him a living male heir. And he completely messed up Mary and, to some extent, Elizabeth. I'm sure, had I been the latter, after seeing my father's marital history, I would opt never to marry.

[@nata3467]

He wanted to believe the accusations. Horrible person who consistently blamed others for his shortcomings.

[@KiaMariaMarkkanen]

Remember that when the frontal lobe of the brain is damaged, ppls characteristics change from a little grumpy to VERY CRUMPY. And also existing pain all the time and the methods of healing make anybody mad. He Aldo was easily manipulated and bipolar& a bit OCD. AND he had a God Complex. Coz of the book of Obidiebce of a Christian Man he got the impression that he is the One and Only and only God's above him (but this he never showed to anyone- he kept catholic traditions when he was alone).

[@KiaMariaMarkkanen]

God being above him' that fact didn't exist when G HENRY WAS WEITH PPL. HE WAS G KING,CHURCH AND GOD. in his own mind. Thus mocking him without really thinking about him and his life, it is just a word game without any thinking given into it.

[@bellabubb1384]

He truly turned into a savage. Not even so much as a goodbye for the woman he supposedly loved so much and chased for years. Then, he’s married within 11 days. What he did to Catherine was horrible too. He would just become infatuated with women and want to possess them. Once he got the women and took their virginities….which he also seemed obsessed with despite not being “pure” himself, he lost interest bc the women lost their novelty and no longer were the picture of innocence and purity that he was obsessed with

[@tianna1116]

I agree, he was an absolute pig by the latter half of his life. Then a complete paycho

[@glen7318]

what are you on about

[@nata3467]

He definitely wanted to get rid of her. Henry was an egotistical king....and had already moved on.

[@danirichey8313]

Yet he himself had many mistresses, some of whom were also married, and fathered children from these woman….. But heaven forbid if one of his wives has one secret love affair

[@tatyanamelnikoff9578]

mary boleyn, ann's older sister, was married, and henry viii decided he wanted her as a mistress. being close friends with the husband, he felt somewhat guilty, and would lavish him with all sorts of money and property. whhy? mary had to do all the gruesome heavy lifting.

[@womerine]

If Henry, at any point, believed Anne had been unfaithful, he would have done more than made Elizabeth a bastard. He would have disowned her altogether. It goes to show that he never denied that Elizabeth was his daughter that he KNEW Anne was a faithful wife to him. He simply had another woman in mind already who could give him another chance to have children.

[@frugalitystartsathome4889]

Don’t think it proves anything. Elizabeth was undoubtedly his child but that didn’t mean Anne wouldn’t subsequently be unfaithful out of desperation for a male heir. I don’t personally think she was, but to say he KNEW she wasn’t isn’t actually statement of fact - he was doubtless able to twist reality in his mind to suit his own purposes…

[@elmin82]

he just want an excuse to get rid of her

[@princetonburchill6130]

Henry had been presented with too much evidence against Anne to have ignored it. Add to her alleged infidelity was the alleged plot she engineered with her brother George to poison the king, and together rule England, in her daughter Elizabeth's name. Henry's physicians had convinced him that Anne was very unlikely to produce a healthy child after her last miscarriage. Therefore, she had to go, regardless of his own feelings. The succession was of paramount importance. I'm sure, he had planned to have his marriage to Anne annulled, leaving him free to marry a healthy virgin - Jane Seymour. Henry was to eventually discover the truth of Anne's innocence, and Cromwell's plot to bring her down. Cromwell was beheaded on trumped-up charges of High Treason shortly afterwards.

[@marciatargato8093]

He knew Anne was not unfaithful he just wanted a son he had every one at court spreading rumours mainly Cromwell so he could get rid of her fast and not have another divorce take years to achieve like his first wife because she refused to let him go. Anne would have done the same

[@bellabubb1384]

Exactly. He ordered the swordsman before the guilty verdict. He wanted her gone

[@hazelpearson7807]

After 500 years the fact that there’s any letters that survived at all is astonishing. To have Annes book of prayers to hold, look at and read is amazing, as Henry ordered every reminder of Anne to be destroyed after her death.

[@abbietabby]

You know what is so upsetting? The book of prayers with her signature was re-bound and the binder CUT OFF half her signature.....unreal!

[@jacqueline8559]

I've visited Knaresborough Castle several times. Inside is a Clothes chest, a book, necklace and one of Anne Boleyns crucifixes. Beautiful to see....

[@GaisSacredCreations]

500 years is pretty recent for surviving letters throughout the world's civilisations. Papyri found and excavated in 2013, named the Diary of Merer (also known as Papyrus Jarf) is the name for papyrus logbooks written over 4,500 years ago by Merer, a middle-ranking official with the title inspector. Buried in front of man-made caves that served to store boats at Wadi al-Jarf on the Red Sea coast. The Dead Sea scrolls are over 2000 years old, discovered in 1947-1956, written in Hebrew with some Aramaic written on parchment and some papyrus.

[@manuellubian5709]

@@jacqueline8559 Knaresborough Castle?? Never heard of it. Do you know the correct name / or do you know for sure you are referencing the right location?

[@naomigrilla1083]

Yes how can that be possible! You’d think she’d have to at least wear gloves to handle any of those documents and books

[@cdfdesantis699]

Anne succeeded in the end. Her daughter, Queen Elizabeth I, is remembered as one of the world's greatest monarchs. Anne is laughing still.

[@teresabarbieri3894]

She's probably crying now seeing how England has turned into a 3rd world, enjoy your islamic state😂😂😂

[@farooqishaq644]

Henry VIII got humiliated and Thomas Cromwell got executed due to another Queen named Anne Cleves. He had friction with Anne Boleyn and instigated her down fall. Henry male heir never survived. Anne Boley did the original Brexit 😂

[@cdfdesantis699]

@@farooqishaq644 Well, things gotta start somewhere.

[@mrsx7944]

​@cdfdesantis699 such a generic comment. EVERYONE says this. Yes. We know!!

[@cdfdesantis699]

@@mrsx7944 Truth is USUALLY simply generic.

[@dion789]

Dr. Suzannah Lipscomb is such a brilliant history presenter.

[@LazyIRanch]

There is none better! Her passion and deep love of history shines through. When she became emotional, holding Anne's prayer book that was Ms. Boleyn's only companion in her final days, I understand the power that such objects can hold for us. I was choking up too. I live on a mountain in S. California, in a very remote area that has few people now, but over 200 years ago the Cahuilla natives lived up here. They still have a reservation (and a big casino down in the valley) but the tribe no longer lives up here because of Tahquitz, a demon who eats people (at least that's what I was told). I think it's because this is a difficult, dangerous place to live. While out hiking with my dogs once, I found an area next to a spring that used to be a tribe's work area long ago, it has grinding holes in a huge granite boulder that was used to grind acorn and berries into meal. I found a few pottery sherds, which I left there (where they belong). I also found "whetstone grooves" which are carved into abrasive rocks (like sandstone) and used to sharpen stone tools. I didn't know what they were when I first saw them, but knew it was man-made. I sat on that boulder and closed my eyes, and imagined the women who sat there so long ago preparing food and other work while their children played in the sparkling water. That water is still clean enough to drink from, and this area is so far from civilization, it's probably been a long time since anyone has been here and thought about the people who lived here first. It probably looks about the same as it did 500 years ago. I feel honored to have found this, it feels sacred to me so I haven't told others about it. If I meet any scholars of history, especially if they are native, I'd show them where to find this spot, but I'm afraid most people would destroy it.

[@ashleystroebel1018]

The lady who played the part of Anne Boleyn did a brilliant job. Her likeness to what are thought to be Anne's portraits is uncanny. She embodies what I thought Anne would look like. Dr Suzy is an excellent narrator and historian. This is definitely the best "rendition" of this tragic tale. Henry the VIII was definitely a horrible man before the head trauma, due to the savagery shown to those poor monks and his wife of 20 years, Catherine of Aragon. Anne should have known that she could not trust Henry after what became of his loyal wife.

[@martincollins2920]

i agree, a wonderfully attractive portrayal

[@robbiet8583]

I’m sure Anne felt the danger, but she was used by her family, as was the way of the times, I guess. They were looking for all the status and the bonus was they were Protestants.

[@tracyhodgkins7516]

@@robbiet8583Anne wasn’t used by anyone. She knew exactly what she was doing in involving herself with Henry and she knew how to deal with him. Anne was an intelligent woman, not a mouse who needed to be told what to do. Her mistakes were thinking she could behave the same as a wife as she did as a mistress, which Henry wouldn’t tolerate, meddling in affairs that Henry thought were not hers to meddle in, and not giving him a son. If Anne had provided Henry with a son she might have been safe, but she didn’t and that and the other issues is why it all went wrong.

[@karimahbouaichaoui7769]

Anne wasn't used by the King she was used by her father and her family and besides that still doesn't give another human being the right to murder another especially his wife as if she was a cow in an abattoir yes she was intelligent enough to handle the King but in those days you didn't say no to your family and the worst of it it was her own uncle who was inquisitor at the trial and after he was so keen on Ann on the throne how bad is that.

[@tracys169]

@@robbiet8583 I actually learned from the same historian but on another documentary that Anne was not being used by her family. She did reciprocate Henry's feeling for her, based on the letters and gifts she sent to him during their long courtship. After diving deeper and realizing that Henry had his first jousting incident in 1524. It was not until February 1526 that he started to woo Anne (he's had his mistresses and even bedded Anne's sister Mary beforehand). I wonder if the head injury he suffered in 1524 caused the massive change of behavior. He tried to get an annulment (pre-Anne) from Catherine in 1525, but only after he found Anne to be supremely attractive that he made it a cause for him. To marry Anne and annul his marriage to Catherine... But regardless Anne's reciprocation and her mistreatment of Mary Tudor (Henry also mistreated Mary so...), it didn't mean that she deserved to be executed and the charges against her...imo..bogus.

[@hughdncy]

I believe in Anne's innocence. Henry just didn't want to stand there like a weak King. Although we all know he knew she was innocent. He just didn't want to admit that he was wrong.

[@sheilabloom6735]

He need a new body to produce an heir.

[@jacquelinebell6201]

He was easily convinced by others of a person's guilt. It was easier to believe his advisors and council when it was convenient. He had a weak personality really. But could charm anyone he wanted to. Then power went to his head. Even as a boy he wanted all the perks that went with a king.

[@seasons1650]

He had a job he believed God required of him. I'm sure his wives were heartbroken but I'm sure they also wanted him to obey God, and in death they were also obeying.

[@NatzTalk]

I'm certain she didn't cheat.

[@waitwhat1029]

I always thought the motivation was a bit more spiteful. The idea of her living a life that he wasn't the center of... the idea that she might be happy without him...he'd rather see her dead.

[@annamarielorenzo2730]

little did they know the gender of a baby is determined by the male. this was a wonderfully done documentary. 💞

[@harrietharlow9929]

That's another delicious irony--it was his fault that Elizabeth was born female, not that of Anne.

[@suziemartin3587]

If only it was known men determin the sex of the child. He could only blame himself........

[@redrum6316]

Too bad the trannies didn't exist back then. Then a girl could have identified as a male lol

[@alynsak]

It was pretty unfortunate to be a woman back then.

[@angeldip5797]

@@Chad_MaxWell It’s not all the fault of men. Why are they checking out of education and marriage? Why are they checking out of life? Men are more likely to commit suicide, be addicts, incarcerated and or homeless. We need to investigate this matter unbiasedly, definitely making sure not to lay total blame on either sex. Especially with everything that’s changing in that area as well!

[@abbyrock5684]

The most amazing bit of history I read about a year ago is that Anne lived only about 4 1/2 months longer than Queen Katherine of Aragon. Ironic that Anne was so happy to hear of Katherine's death and then she's beheaded just a few months later.

[@katzolitamason6729]

Katharine of Aragon it is spelt at burial place- spelt with two a’s. 57.44 minutes onwards…

[@abbyrock5684]

@@katzolitamason6729 Was just going by what I had seen after reading biographies over the years. Guess authors should pay closer attention.

[@suzannesinclair2165]

Spelling was much more flexible in the 16th Century with people spelling their own names in different ways at different times.

[@alynsak]

Either way, Henry and Anne were pretty selfish. Anne didn’t deserve her fate, but she didn’t exactly care when she watched Henry harass, divorce and treats Katherine like garbage. She also knew he got rid of his daughter. So she should have known he wasn’t going to be better to her no matter how much love bombing he did. Yet back then, you either accepted s favorable position of even for a time or you had to attempt survive in your own. So no matter what, she was groomed to be at the mercy of court life and men who would always hold the power. All of the skill and learning that her family gave her couldn’t have saved her from a jealous and hateful Henry.

[@merricat3025]

I am not afan of Anne. She treated Catherine and Mary terribly. Like you stated, selfish..

[@Annelie_perhonen5]

​​@@Chad_MaxWhy do you call a complete stranger babe like that? Isn't that quite presumptious of you...? It's like you're assuming they want you to be overly familiar with them, when you use pet names like that without any reason at all.

[@Annelie_perhonen5]

​@@Chad_MaxExerting influence when someone else actually has the last say in everything is not the same as actually having or gaining any power, that is what using influence behind the scenes actually means... Just that someone else has the last say and power, and if you're lucky you can try to slightly influence them... How stupid you must think women are to say that "It's politics babe"😒

[@sheilabloom6735]

No one is saying Anne was a saint but to commit adultery would cause doubt about any child she had with the king. No dummy she. She get get Cardinal Wolsey off to die except he died first.

[@nikiryan8648]

you have just described every mistress to this day...."he won't do that to me, He Loves Me!" yeah, just watch.

[@margo3367]

They made promises they couldn’t keep. She, promising to give him a son and heir; and he, promising to love her forever.

[@oceanelf2512]

Exactly. And if he supposedly paid a high price to marry her, she paid a much higher price by marrying him.

[@sandychilds3253]

All this drama could have been avoided if Henry understood that the woman who bears a child has nothing to do with the sex of that child. Every egg has an X chromosome, but every sperm has an X or a Y. If the egg is fertilized by sperm with an X chromosome, the baby will be (XX) female. If fertilized with a Y, the offspring will be (XY) male. Obviously I'm not implying that Henry SHOULD have known, because no one knew at the time. Nevertheless, thousands of lives were tragically lost or ruined due to that lack of knowledge.

[@hesterwright3674]

If he'd just given her a minute there probably would have been a boy born

[@idiotsandwich4912]

@@sandychilds3253 if only I could go back in time and tell him that to his face

[@sandychilds3253]

@@idiotsandwich4912 Noooooo! He'd chop your head off, too!

[@frankfielder]

We all speak of love when in many cases we mean lust.

[@elizabethmcleod246]

Does lust last 7 years?

[@halllloooooooooo356]

@@elizabethmcleod246 does love last entile you can't birth a son?

[@DSmith-e5e]

Inaccurate, we all know the difference

[@SiberianSwiftieAlexanderS]

@@DSmith-e5e Oh la la. Maybe not all, maybe not always😊

[@okayand4871]

​@elizabethmcleod246 yep, especially since she promised a son but couldn't provide one. He was motivated by the pleasure of a beautiful young woman and to have an heir. He loved his first wife until she got old and gained weight and didn't bare a son.

[@missapeeps3771]

Henry knew she was innocent. Just look at the difference in how he acted with Anne with Anne's execution and treatment vs. Catherine Howard. Anne was put into the queens chambers in the tower of London before her execution and treated like a queen up until she died, and was executed by a master swordsman who wouldn't botch the execution, While Catherine was immediately striped of her title and thrown into a commenors cell, with no trial, executed by commenors axe, and once buried covered in lye to destroy her body. Dr.Kats' video on all things Tudor is very enlightening and puts different perspectives on things. Her channel is called Reading the Past.

[@Jo-pr7bg]

You make some good points, however, she was given ladies to her attend her who spied on her for Cromwell, and even though Sir William Kingston treated her well, she was accused of incest and her marriage to the King was annulled before her death, which didn't quite fit with being found guilty of adultery. Conversely, Catherine's marriage to the Henry was never formally annulled despite the removal of regal right. Henry then quite coldly went immediately to Jane Seymour when the canon fire confirmed Anne's death and proposed, marrying her only 11 days later. Anne's remains were also chucked into an old arrow box without ceremony. Anne's trial was a sham and the verdict had more or less been decided before it even went ahead. She had no chance. Not exactly brilliant treatment.

[@tatyanamelnikoff9578]

@@Jo-pr7bg if i were jane seymour, i wouldn't be so quick to accept the proposal of a two-faced schmuck that just cut his wife's head off.

[@486loulou]

Sounds familiar, nothing new under the sun.

[@24get24give]

thanks, I'll look that up

[@davidgray1699]

N)

[@andyroo9381]

In this day and age, everyone was "God-fearing". Yet, they carried out such brutal and violent executions without any hard evidence.

[@illuminatedbestchoice1042]

Can you imagine? Heartless criminals God-fearing people.

[@WhitePantsClub]

I think because so many people were already desensitized to death. Death was a fact of life for most people, early and often. It probably softened the brutality of it. Death itself was not enough to be a punishment big enough to deter major crime, IMO

[@joannewright4572]

I believe the king was part of the crew who helped to plan her demise and come up with the false charges. Seems when he tires of a woman he tosses them like salad. He paid himself in the end for every evil deed he had done to those women.

[@annetteolson2428]

The man that plays Henry VIII looks very like the early portraits of him. Very handsome! It makes the whole story more believable.

[@parafacerocks289]

And Prince Harry looks very much like him!

[@catherinenewman6516]

Damian Lewis I think?

[@harrietharlow9929]

I love that Henry wanted a male heir, yet the heir given him by Jane Seymour died at 15 and that Elizabeth was the heir which fulfilled all the promise that Edward was unable to.

[@petaandrews6424]

He had a son with Elisabeth Blount who he acknowledged and was setting up to be king but he died.

[@creepingdread88]

Not really, Elizabeth died without an heir, so she was a complete failure, from the most important perspective.

[@majatadic549]

​@@creepingdread88Are you really saying that Elizabeth I was a failure? The woman who ruled England like no male king did and made it the most powerful country in the world. Are you serious?

[@sheilabloom6735]

That good old karma.

[@harrietharlow9929]

@@sheilabloom6735 Yep!

[@Pureimagination200]

I went to Hampton Court a few weeks ago when I was in London. I got chills walking around.

[@juanitarichards1074]

Before Anne was taken to the Tower she was called to come before some of the kings council where certain accusations were put to her - not all of them but some. She was not yet told she was accused of incest with her brother, nor the treason charges, but she was accused of adultery with Smeaton and Norris. She denied the charges. She was then taken to the Tower where more evidence against her was manufactured, some from Anne's own words about Weston.....innocent words which were misconstrued.....

[@oceanelf2512]

Yes. Henry was evil, and so was the monarchy system at that time.

[@AltClev37]

That’s why you never talk to the cops without your lawyer present. Words can easily be misconstrued.

[@juanitarichards1074]

In the medieval days the accused were not allowed lawyers to advise and represent them........one famous prisoner in Henry Vllls time said "I am brought to fight without a weapon". @@AltClev37

[@sharynkoren2054]

Too bad you cant send Megan Markle to the tower.

[@denisecraig3548]

What is so so sad is the fact that she was condemned from the beginning and unable to clear herself no matter what she did. If she couldn’t speak to the King, there was no hope of touching his heart with the truth, because I don’t believe she was stupid enough to commit adultery against the king while living in the castle.

[@farooqishaq644]

She called Henry impotent and unable to satisfy a woman. She didn't wanted advances from Henry and put out impossible conditions which surprisingly Henry full filled..

[@valkyriesardo278]

Stupid had nothing to do with it. Adultery would be her last hope of giving Henry a son. It would be high risk but the only thing that could save her if she could keep it secret. Henry would not have divorced Catherine if she had given him a son. She was a good queen, trained for it since birth as Princess of Spain. That divorce was not about sex because Henry had mistresses throughout his reign. I think the only real reason Henry convinced himself he was crazy in love with Boleyn was to soothe his conscience about dumping his good wife. I think people of today put too much importance on Henry's love life and dismiss how crucial it was to him and to his kingdom that he secure the line of succession. It was his primary responsibility as king.

[@sinceslicedbread7422]

Anne got the last laugh though; her child ended Henry's Tudor line.

[@mrsx7944]

We know

[@Dominick-72]

The royal line.

[@kingtabernacle8255]

Her head was chopped off

[@bigreputxtion5500]

​@@kingtabernacle8255so was the Tudors

[@direfranchement]

No she didn’t get any “last laugh”. To laugh, you need a head, and hers was removed by a sword in 1536.

[@bellabubb1384]

It’s funny how this man who had a bunch of mistresses and even acknowledged the child he had by one is all up in arms over his wives supposed adultery

[@toddjohnson271]

I would guess it was very much like today. Powerful men and beautiful women are many times promiscuous and adulterous.

[@lorraine.bernardettehoole7743]

Double standards not unusual

[@WhitePantsClub]

It was treason b/c if the wife became pregnant, it could possibly make another man’s child the heir to the throne. This is a completely rational concern for a monarch intent on creating a dynasty.

[@astroterf.]

​@@toddjohnson271it's nothing to do with double standard; there were sound biological reasons why wives were not permitted to sleep around, can you guess what it is yet? As my Dad always used to say "it's alright for you women: you ALWAYS know your child is yours" Why would a powerful man (any man, for that matter) want to risk another man's child into his family?

[@toddjohnson271]

@@astroterf. Ok?

[@_acb]

She didn’t even have a real chance to give him a son 🤷🏼‍♀️ Sounds like he got a head injury, then someone took advantage of his vulnerability. He was so patient with Catherine, it doesn’t make sense for him to discard Anne so quickly. 2 pregnancy’s in 3? Years? Catherine had 20 yrs with multiple pregnancies. 😒

[@magical_universe793]

ur crazy if u think had he spared her she would give him anymore children considering she was 36 and had 2 or 3 misscarriages before. henry took practically his last chance to have a son with jane

[@sarahholland2600]

Anne was already 'old', in child bearing terms , for the time. And he'd already been seeing Jane Seymour for a while when Anne was accused of adultery.

[@maya8627]

Late to the discussion. Henry was kinder to Katherine(didn't kill her directly) because her nephew was the most powerful ruler in Europe at the time.Karl V

[@terryhuffaker3615]

Exactly..Catherine was of a royal family. To have her killed rather than put away would cause an internationally incident.

[@TaharkahX]

Your passion for this subject makes what is already a solid and interesting documentary particularly thrilling! Thanks for your hard work.

[@andrewcard6664]

I can't quite comprehend having even my exes murdered, let alone my own girlfriend who I'm currently with. Imagine murdering your own wife for no reason other than suspected cheating. It seems so far removed from real love.

[@chibuzorokonkwo7039]

If men had leave to do it, they would murder their wives. Henry did it cos he could. I’m not saying men are bad, I’m only saying that humans show savagery when given the opportunity.

[@ardenalexa94]

Unfortunately at that time, it wouldn’t have been unheard of. And sadly in some countries even today I believe, there are places you can be stoned to death for cheating.

[@sheilabloom6735]

It wasn't the cheating but she failed to give him a son. She didn't cheat. No son doomed her.

[@arabellamileham9978]

I imagine that will come as a relief to them!!!

[@zanzah_]

What till you find out what the Ottomans did 😂😂😂😂

[@brendagayden802]

These people were barbaric! They killed an innocent woman and several men that she supposedly slept with, without an ounce of evidence. This is tragic!

[@carastone3473]

Sadly, that was commonplace

[@-PrettyPrincess-]

King wanting something to happen is evidence enough 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Janellabelle]

I'm still caught up on the description of the murder of those 10 catholic priests or monks! 10 men of god. Ripping their limbs off and their organs out and crushing their hearts and entrails onto their faces while they were still alive?! Watching eachother get torn apart alive?! Good lord. He lost his whole mind. That is not crazy or mean or a dictator... that's sheer EVIL. That's something Saddam Hussein would do or Pol Pot...a psychopath.

[@juliancain3872]

​@@Chad_Max Still, Henry annulled their marriage and then executed her on charges of treason by way of adultery. Annulled means they were never married, so how then could she have committed adultery? I understand this isn't precisely a democracy, but that is an undeniable truth.

[@katj3443]

They needed a reason to be allowed by the eyes of the church to remarry. Accusing of cheating, adulterous behaviour even treason were genuine reasons and held in court not needing much proof other than the accused party. They can deny it, but their fate was sealed as soon as they were accused and made to attend their sentencing.

[@izm8991]

How nice to have letters written like that nowadays. Too bad we’ve moved past those things.

[@idiotsandwich4912]

I’m glad we also moved past cutting heads off over things no one can control

[@izm8991]

@@idiotsandwich4912 😂

[@k_j_n1242]

The world does not stand still. Progress is a natural part of evolution (thank gooofness). What an awful time to be alive, I'm glad we've moved past many things.

[@astroterf.]

Isn't it just? What will they have in a hundred years? If they survive, phones with messages that say 'I LUV U' 😂

[@jelliforever8580]

he wrote her all those love letters and still murdered her 💀

[@arianah8842]

When i was younger i used to pity Anne and was angry at Catherine of Aragon for not just moving aside. However now, after lots of books and research, i find Catherine of Aragon that most pitiable. She and her daughter were never allowed to see each other again, she was humiliated and despite having powerful allies in terms of family and supporters, no one came to her aid. She did so much for people and yet when help was needed she was abandoned. I cant help to think there was some karma with Anne's journey at court.

[@Geeronimo99]

Do you think the Spanish.. with Catherine's help somehow undermined Henry's authority. With courtiers from Spain.

[@maidinulster]

Brilliant documentary. Every bit of it was translated with empathy and passion making is enthralling to the end

[@smithamy1982]

Everyone forgets that once Henry set his sights on you, your finished as a female. You can't turn him down, that's not an option. So Ann had only two options either become his mistress like her sister and be known as a great prostitute or run, as Ann did, from court. Everyone says she played hard to get but she wasn't playing, she was as hard to get as you could possibly be but he chased her down. So she said she couldn't give herself to him unless she was his queen, not expecting him to actually attempt to get rid of Katherine. By that point she must've fallen for him, who wouldn't? He was quite attractive at that point and had spent years chasing her, of course she fell for him. However, it was never her plan. She wanted to marry Henry Percy, that was her first love.

[@margaretlouise6200]

If Henry's interest picked up, that's when you hopped the next boat to France.

[@sophie-q3e]

Anne played with the fire. I feel sorry for Catherine of Aragon for being mocked by king Henry VIII and Anne. Anne seems like a bully the way she’s portrayed in some documentaries. The way Anne died was awful. No doubt the Tudor era was a very terrifying time to live.

[@moi8998]

Anne didn’t want to marry Henry in the first place she literally left court to avoid him.

[@antionebellegarde5803]

Exactly@@moi8998

[@Extraextraextra]

Very well done documentary! I really love it when Dr. Lipscomb is the presenter, and it would great if she had her own playlist!!!

[@ivillasenor2829]

Same! Her voice is intriguing and yet not over dramatic. Perfect balance

[@michaeljohndennis2231]

The historians must have realised that when Henry was much younger, even before he met Anne, that he was a very handsome young man and a total hottie - from what I’ve seen, the present day Prince Harry is so much like him and he too is a total hottie that I’d happily date in a heartbeat 😍😍😍

[@amandablack7400]

Harry a hottie??? 😮 You must take a closer look...

[@nekeshahall7744]

Over 500 years later and we’re still talking about king Henry and Anne. Their story is no different than many of our stories today. It was lust that died out and ended horribly.

[@SMRT79]

Henry created an entire new religion and Bible to marry Anne and then he had her executed a few years after marrying her…NOT like any of our stories today, lol!

[@KiaMariaMarkkanen]

King Henry VIII and Queen Anne Boleyn. They changed history. Their love changed history. They still teach us how a thing, so pure and beautiful, love, can be so poisonous and sharp. How a Thorn of a rose can sting, so viciously?How long shall the horns play their wedding Walz?

[@WhitePantsClub]

Are you kidding? They changed the entire trajectory of the country’s religion and delivered Q Elizabeth I, who was one of the greatest monarchs of English history. She restored the country’s economy, was a patron of the arts and sciences, and was a leader in the burgeoning colonization of the new world. This is not just a love story, it’s a watershed moment of the entire world’s history.

[@sheilabloom6735]

But Henry is reviled today while Anne is being thought of as a victim of Henry's cruelty.

[@p5rsona]

absolutely love the production, acting here, so top notch. life can be such a crazy ride! also, I randomly watched this on may 19, day of her execution

[@Sonic-dogmagic]

Henry VIII, a disgusting murderer that got away with it because he was king. Sad.

[@mandymckeown8625]

Yes give a narcissist enough power and that is what you get . Henry sounds likes a monster

[@elzbieta_k]

As a narcissist/sociopath, Henry VIII was not capable of feeling empathy and love for anyone, not even his children.

[@bec9696]

I do not believe he was either. There was an obvious difference between pre-Anne and post-Anne. Pre, he was fun, lovable, and loving. Post, he was living with the knowledge he had f'ed up, and more importantly, living with chronic pain. People who don't live with it don't understand what it does mentally. I see that if it cannot be managed to live a comfortable life now, he was more rational with the medical knowledge then than I would have been.

[@Lara_1703]

Thank you! Very informative! I feel very bad for Catherina from Aragon! 🙏 I really liked the host! She spoke so passionately 🙏🙌🏼

[@katzolitamason6729]

Katharine of Aragon- 57.44 onwards

[@lemonade_liz]

I don't get the sense that Henry VIII truly loved Anne Boleyn. It seems more likely that he was infatuated with the promise of a male heir that she represented, and the bubble of that fantasy burst the moment she gave birth to a daughter. Interestingly, Anne only seemed safe as long as she either had a son or as long as Katherine of Aragon was alive. When she lost both of these "protectors" within weeks of each other in early 1536, her fall came quickly.

[@amyp937]

I don’t get why Katherine of the Aagon was her protector?

[@amatulfulani6390]

@@amyp937 Someone commented that, as long as Katherine was there/alive and it didn’t work out between Anne and Henry, he would feel pressured to go back to her. He didn’t want to. Once Katherine was dead and Anne didn’t give him what he wanted, it was easier for him to get rid of her and go after Jane Seymour.

[@BognaZone]

Anne was a challenge.

[@BognaZone]

​@@amyp937annre was a lady jn waiting to Catherine.

[@kimhughes5030]

I don’t think he truly believed that she betrayed him; he just wanted to be rid of her because she hadn’t given him a son. The charges were made up and the court influenced by Henry so it went his way. I’ve always believed that Henry suffered a traumatic brain injury which deeply affected his judgment and made him mean and impulsive and it only got worse as he aged.

[@greyfriars6540]

I think the brain injury exacarbated a pre-existing mental condition. As soon as he inherited the throne he executed two of his father's advisors, men he hated. He was vengeful and conscience of his immense power from an early age.

[@anitameza3960]

This makes it seem as though Henry was a good man. Not for killing so many wives and all his affairs.

[@dianneatfeld687]

The fact he allowed Anne a sword for her execution shows to m that he thought her innocent. I don’t think he’d ever have shown that act of mercy if he thought she’d been repeatedly unfaithful

[@petaandrews6424]

She requested it

[@kathleenem9207]

He knew she was innocent . The sword was a privilege due her because she was a queen. It would have reflected badly on Henry if he had not agreed. Strange etiquette. You can behead your queen but only with a sword.

[@amatulfulani6390]

@@kathleenem9207 But Catherine Howard was killed with an axe.

[@jacquelinebell6201]

​@@kathleenem9207Yet he didn't give Catherine Howard the same dignity. She was a young naive girl while Anne was an experienced woman of the world. His ego got in the way.

[@jasonfairbanks4714]

To the women hosting the show: I’m sure that if the King had seen you and your beautiful blue eyes, Anne Boleyn would have been lost to history! You are breathtakingly beautiful!

[@BognaZone]

Flirt.

[@dominaevillae28]

Henry didn’t marry his brother’s wife, but his widow. In the Hebrew Bible, a form of levirate marriage, called yibbum, is mentioned in Deuteronomy 25:5-10, under which the brother of a man who dies without children is permitted and encouraged to marry the widow.

[@szim5551]

Exactly, you’re the only person it seems who’s mentioned this.

[@SarahlabyrinthLHC]

Probably not many people know of it.@@szim5551

[@margaretlouise6200]

Henry had very selective vision determined by what he wanted. He bent everything around like that.

[@thissweetlife7250]

No matter how many times I watch this master- peice, it never could get old. History inadvertently makes me sad. It's quite bittersweet that what once was so majestic shall never again be.

[@daylehudson6810]

I think this was a terrible time😢

[@BognaZone]

Inadvertently????

[@BognaZone]

Inadvertently???

[@catherineangeles5544]

Although Queen Anne Boleyn died because of those scandalous gossips & hearsays made by her enemies, she still managed to fulfill her promise of giving England a successful monarch. Her daughter Elizabeth 1 became England's Greatest Queen of all time....Anne still got the last laugh🤣🤣🤣

[@heyitssarah7545]

She never promised to give a successful monarch. She promised a male heir. She did not fulfill that.

[@tatyanamelnikoff9578]

@@heyitssarah7545 yeah. but! producing a successful monarch is far more important than just squeezing out a male heir.

[@heyitssarah7545]

@@tatyanamelnikoff9578 Well yeah, that’s obvious now. And I never argued otherwise. But they didn’t believe so back then. They believed the monarch had to be male unless all other options were exhausted. I am a trained historian, and we are taught to study history through the lens of those who lived it. We can’t hold people of the very distant past to modern standards of ethics, beliefs, etc. In modern Western society, yes, capability is far more important than gender. Gender is irrelevant in most societies today (note: most). But Anne Boleyn knew nobody cared about capability over gender in her society (it honestly wasn’t even a factor), so she did not promise that. All they cared about was whether or not she would birth a boy, so she promised a boy. A promise she never should have made, really, but she wanted to be Queen 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@juliannajc9310]

But when did she promise that? Are we basing that promise from the book of hours?

[@FayazAhmad-yl6spFZ]

It is surprising that this book has been preserved for 500 years. In such a long time even iron decays. It is paper it may have been made by hand because the industries were not so developed at that time.

[@sophie-q3e]

I wonder if the book is full of toxic ink🤔

[@myworms]

It’s probably made from vellum, a paper created from animal skins.

[@marymcsherry1965]

I've seen books from the 9th Century, written and illustrated by monks, in a Francuscan.monastery. They were in great condition and beautiful

[@kimberlypatton205]

Such a well done and excellently presented documentary! One of my favorites I have watched many times! Dr. Lipscomb is wonderful !

[@Angie-GoneSoon]

How similar are Diana and Charles to Anne and Henry. With either man, there is/was no love in their hearts for anyone other than themselves.

[@petaandrews6424]

And when the mother of your children annoys you, just get someone to kill them for you. All smoke and mirrors for the truth to it all.

[@Geeronimo99]

If you see Charles being interviewed with diana when Harry was a toddler you see there was love between them. Love doesn't always survive stressful events.

[@katelilyx6323]

It seems to me he was a classic narcissist, love bombing in the beginning, then smear campaign and discard phase

[@illuminatedbestchoice1042]

Like all narcissists, the king was in it just for himself. Those people are emotionless.

[@ardenalexa94]

I see your point of view. He could’ve been a narcissist. He also could’ve had a different mental illness that made him have the issues he did. I’m sure his brain injury didn’t help things.

[@mandymckeown8625]

Most definitely a narcissist didn’t seem to have any empathy treats women like objects and playthings bored easily went through the love bombing devalue and discard . Horrible vile man

[@illenejoseph7958]

​@@Chad_Maxno the narcissist we refer to are those who put their desires first over others without the consideration nor empathy for others,blames others, potential for murder, etc. Just a person with lot of red flags....

[@annemariebanks-kn6tp]

He was the King and he had to produce a male heir and ideally a spare since he himself was “the spare”. No one wanted to see the country in turmoil since he could have died after the jousting accident. Queens we’re untried rulers and could also easily die in childbirth- as in queen Jane and princess Charlotte, heir to the throne, some years later. Henry was under a lot of pressure and he was losing patience.

[@Rome274]

The woman presenting this is really great .

[@LindaLinda80Linda]

The executioner had been ordered from France two days before Anne’s actual sentencing. Henry intended to kill her.

[@MrsPatPape]

Can't believe they pick up that 500 yr old book with their bare hands!!!!

[@darlajones7x7]

I was thinking the same thing! They should be wearing gloves. Can't believe they were allowed to do this.

[@SapphireAthena1]

​@@darlajones7x7it's actually better for book preservation! During my master's in manuscript studies I handled even older books, and the best way is with bare hands. It seems counterintuitive, but silicon in gloves or even fibers in cloth gloves leave residues on old manuscripts. Most of these precious books were still made with vellum or parchment from animal skins, which actually responds better to the warmth and oil in our fingers!

[@darlajones7x7]

Wow. Interesting. Thank you for telling me. @@SapphireAthena1

[@4631622876]

Why pages look so white? Like new?

[@gitimakouee5937]

Check the pictures closeup, I find very iranienn😂 it’s stolen Old poery😢it’s belong to Iran They want to alway😢😂 makes us savage

[@Julieta-bh1di]

i could tell that there was lust than any actual love between henry and anne, but with catherine of aragon,there was real love and respect....man i feel bad for anne and catherine being married to that jerk.

[@hughdncy]

I feel a lot of hatred and fear towards this man. And I feel so sorry for Katherine and Anne. He felt humiliated just by rumours...but it was him who committed real crimes to humiliate his wives. They rest in power, he rests in embarrasment.

[@24get24give]

I don't feel hatred towards him, just what he did, and I don't feel fear, just disgust

[@meighenhelmick3697]

I feel so bad for Anne. Poor lady.

[@benedictcowell6547]

I detest the Tudors, and Anne was the only redeeming feature of Henry's despicable life. I have never understood why this contemptible man is an 'iconic king' I wonder why Webster chose to write a play about Thomas Wyatt

[@thanhhuongnguyen4648]

Anne Boleyn đã cướp chồng của Catherine of Aragon . Cái chết của Anne buồn như cái chết của Catherine vậy . Catherine of Aragon và Anne Boleyn đều là những nữ hoàng xuất sắc của nước Anh , trên cương vị của họ . Cả hai người đều làm việc chăm chỉ và đem lại thịnh vượng cho nước Anh , sinh con gái làm nữ hoàng , nỗ lực mang thai con trai trong tuyệt vọng , bị vu oan tại tòa án , bị mất đi ngôi hoàng hậu .

[@Nika-ug7zs]

Он казнил жену за то, что не мог дать сам. Пол ребёнка зависит исключительно от мужчины, а не от женщины. Страшно то, что даже в наш 21 век некоторые особи мужского пола не знают этого.

[@peachygal4153]

That scripture in Levits is talking about adultery with the brother's wife. Later on, the Hebrew law discusses brother-in-law marriage for the brother who died childless. The next son ( or nearest male relative, example Ruth and Boaz in the book of Ruth) was to marry his brother's widow. See the key words wife and widow. Once a husband dies his wife is no longer his wife but his widow. Big difference. Henry VIII was very smart. He knew better. He was looking for a way to annul his marriage to 40 year old Katharine who had stopped getting pregnant to marry a younger woman to give him sons.

[@paytongraves9245]

Would love a playlist of this presenter and her videos. Really great video

[@tianna1116]

She has a podcast I listen to, called Not Just the Tudors. It’s good, audio only though. They cover other medieval stuff but a ton of Tudor topics as well

[@sandramccune7472]

I hate to say it Karma is a bitch . I have heard that it's suspected Henry had Katherine poisoned. It does seem the timing of the big party was planned. Anne was dancing on the queen's grave.and that absurd speech she gave before her head was lopped off about Henry being such a magnificent king!! ridiculous ,it did not save her life. so what was the purpose!!😢

[@sandramccune7472]

God says 'thou shalt not lie" so she commits sin right before she is executed. She was a Protestant 😉 so I guess she. Thought it was ok to kill all the monks and steal all they had, draw and quarter all those that did not support their marriage. Burn in hell megalomaniac Henry !!!

[@a.walters123]

The actors they selected for this documentary are so much better matched to the true physical traits of Anne and Henry compared to The Tudors series. The series picked the best actors, and I understand the need, but it’s very pleasing to see such a close physical match. It makes history so much real.

[@sallyreno6296]

If Henry actually believed Anne had betrayed him, we can add stupid to his list of repugnant traits.

[@valkyriesardo278]

It could make no difference to him whether or not he believed it. The adultery conviction meant he could have her executed for treason. The sooner he could rid himself of Anne, the sooner he could wed Seymour who could maybe produce a male heir. He could not have executed Catherine of Aragon without bringing down the wrath of Spain and the Pope. Nobody cared about Anne so he need not waste time on divorce. She had made enemies at court. The people hated her as the "other woman home-wrecker". The Boleyn family cared more about remaining in Henry's good graces then they did about Anne.

[@Christofuzz-hc9xl]

I absolutely love this historian. You could see her eyes well up when she held the book tha Anne had written in. Now that's a girl who loves history. So enchanting.

[@Sheena-lo8yx]

What a sociopathic narcissist, he had 2 of his wives executed for the same things he did. It was ok for him to commit adultery but not ok for his wives to commit adultery.

[@winniedhaouadi1973]

Many People today thinks the same

[@fourfurrypotatoes]

Her only crime was not giving him the son he desired. I wonder if he really did love her or just wanted a young wife to have a son?

[@wmsmith7346]

If anyone hasn't seen "The Tudors", it's about all this and it's amazing. Must watch!

[@glen7318]

its amazing rubbsh

[@Out_on_a_Limb_Life]

It's very entertaining but historically very inaccurate

[@howtosober]

Much as I'm sure Lipscomb is a credible scholar and historian, she takes an overly romantic view of this thoroughly toxic relationship between a pathological narcissist and an ambitious woman manipulated by the male patriarchs of her family. People that love their spouses don't murder them.

[@eringemini7091]

At least Catherine Of Aragon did not have false stories told about her & then beheaded. She may have been one of the "luckiest" wives of King Henry the 8th.

[@claireconover]

no, the lucky one was the one who outlived him. I believe, jane seymour.

[@h0rriphic]

@@claireconoverlol no Jane Seymour died from childbirth. Catherine Park was the queen that managed to outlive him. Anne of Cleves also got out alive. Apparently Henry found her unattractive so he divorced her. She took it well so he made things a lot easier for her than the other more “argumentative” wives.

[@claireconover]

@@h0rriphic not park, parr… and maybe. I forget who this guy married. he married so many.

[@BTScriviner]

Catherine of Aragon was called a liar by her husband -- that she had slept with Arthur, her first husband and Henry's brother.

[@scz1770]

It goes: Katherine of Aragon - marriage annulled. Anne Boleyn - beheaded. Jane Seymour - died within two weeks of giving birth. Anna of Cleves - marriage annulled. Kathryn Howard - beheaded. Catherine Parr - outlived Henry VIII.

[@lc8963]

I think what we should keep in mind is that the Tudor people had a completely other mind set than in our time. Living at court and being ambitious means that it was normal to be ruthless and that you are always in danger to get in great trouble sometimes loosing all your possession and worst your life. Anne played a great gamble but in the end she lost. If it was love between them I'm not sure. Who waits so many years to come together when real passionate love is in the play. In the end they were allies against the rest of the world. But we will never know.

[@sarahholland2600]

Exactly. And it was common for aristocratic families at Court to pimp their daughters to the King as Mistresses, knowing that when it ended & after all the money & gifts & titles that went with it, there would still be a good marriage, often semi arranged by the King, to another wealthy aristocratic dynasty .

[@ReneeMueller-t8m]

They might have waited so long to come together because of Anne’s faith/ piety. Please don’t forget that factor

[@kellykane7586]

I don't like that lots of history shows call it Divorce, when it's an Annulment that he was seeking. It's 2 very different things with 2 different implications.

[@spamtownhamilton6200]

For any curious that happen to be reading: "a marriage that never was" vs "a marriage that is no more" - the former describes annulment and the latter divorce. In the Catholic church, an annulment must be obtained in order to marry again with the blessing of The Church. So if Henry only got a divorce from Katharine, his marriage to Anne would never have been recognized by The Church. There wouldn't have been any point to a Catholic Henry seeking only a divorce so that is why the distinction is of any significance.

[@susanarojo3906]

Yes, but an annulment would make her daughter Mary a bastard.

[@anauliscaicedo14]

This story reminds me of those cases where the lover fights with the wife until she takes him away and mocks her thinking that with her, he will change and be a better man, but the man ends up doing the same thing to her and even a thousand times worse. Poor all these women who fell into the clutches of this narcissist.

[@marciatargato8093]

I don't think King Henry the 8th loved any of his wife's he just wanted to use them

[@hughdncy]

He saw options, not women.

[@celissewillis9399]

I did not know that Anne had the sweating sickness, but I know Katherine of Aragon got it in her early years when she & Arthur were married & only Katherine survived. I'm wondering now if that affected pregnancy, or the ability to carry healthy babies, much less deliver them, because both Anne & Katherine were only able to have a girl & others were stillborn or miscarried. So considering the fact that the sweating sickness was also known to kill, it seems like the ones who survived, specifically the women, must have had their pregnancy abilities severely jeopardized.

[@CatGUnit]

it's not abnormal to have female children and isn't some post-illness punishment...this sentiment needed to have died in the 1500's where it belongs

[@celissewillis9399]

@@CatGUnit I have no idea what you're talking about with this comment, LOL!!

[@ZVG814]

I know what you mean. Could be possible that it had an effect on pregnancy or fetus development. I studied Anne Boleyn from my childhood and I believe Henry and Anne had different Rhesus Factors, so the first baby is possible but the rest are self abortions of the body or stillborn baby's.

[@msatxgault560]

Anyone who was somebody had it, lol. The riches 😅

[@celissewillis9399]

@@ZVG814 ah, that makes sense, yes! I noticed with both women & considering health care was what it was back then, there wasn't medical help, from the standpoint of recovery... if you got it as a woman, you were basically screwed when it came to more children & that ended up being the case for BOTH Katherine & Anne. I believe Anne would've carried the boy full term, if it wasn't for the stressors going on between her & Henry at the time. Pregnancies were even more sensitive then, than they are today; bed rest was almost a default, if you got one little cold.

[@wednesdayschild3627]

I think the Holbien portrait of Anne is still somewhere.

[@evato8746]

Sad stories.May God have mercy on their poor souls.🙏

[@LouLikestowatch]

what really gets me with Henry is that he did have a couple of sons (maybe more?) It's just they weren't through marriage. It's insane he couldn't just take one of those when they were babies and just pass them off somehow as legitimate. Or even marry one of those women. Henry instigated the accusations against Anne. He needed a new wife and she was going to be in the way. He coudn't divorce another woman so it was an easy way out for him. I think Anne was a very devout women, and probably also very charismatic herself.

[@glen7318]

what are you on about

[@ravenkamalioneplus]

I watched the series the Tudors and I found the court of Henry VIII one of the most dangerous places in the European world. Had I been living at that time in England, I would stay as far away as possible from Henry's court - lol. I would keep my head down and keep away from politics and religion at all costs. Lol.

[@yavischeung]

The most unbelievable part from a modern point of view on the whole thing is, that one just shouldn't "promise" anyone the future baby's gender...

[@robertmorici8605]

Henry could not have loved Anne, because if he truly loved her he wouldn't have beheaded her especially without confirming with her whether or not the rumors were true.

[@tatyanamelnikoff9578]

he couldn't face her. he couldn't face her brother either. twit.

[@corinneparth5378]

I guess, Elisabeth never got married, because her mother was executed by her dad....so marriage for her should have been dangerous in her mind....

[@jawo8754]

She also knew that she'd lose her power as sole reigning monarch.

[@mandymckeown8625]

Having a narcissist as a parent died that to you. I bet he was a tyrant Jekyll and Hyde comes to mind

[@IndigoBellyDance]

Always been fascinated w/Anne. Such a rise and such a fall.

[@Amanda3280h]

I sometimes wonder if the stories about her being entitled and sometimes mean are true?

[@glen7318]

@@Amanda3280h yes they are

[@IndigoBellyDance]

@@Amanda3280h good question. History is written by the victors And she was hated by many English who wrote many stories about her.

[@IndigoBellyDance]

@@glen7318 how do we know? History is written by the victors And she was not liked by many.

[@anngreen3495]

This is the second time I've watched this excellent documentary, a retelling of recorded facts. There is only one thing that irks me. Anne is always described by reliable sources (eg. Chapuys) as having very dark hair and dark eyes. The actress, in many scenes, does not.

[@thee8797]

Well… she is an actress after all and not the real life Anne Boleyn herself

[@edwardbarnett2331]

Previously, Anne had threatened to destroy the king’s minister, Cromwell. Cromwell was determined to get rid of Anne. He created the allegations of adultery against the queen, and presented false evidence of adultery to the king. Henry believed them . Subsequently, Anne was accused, arrested, tried, convicted, and executed on May 19, 1536.

[@stephjones7104]

And so goes that old saying if he will cheat with you he will always cheat on you ...

[@flixkat]

Remember, Anne didn't die as Queen of England. She was stripped of that honor before her execution. Officially, she died as a traitor, an adulterer and as a witch, according the sentence given by the judges.

[@ritialydia]

Tudor life was vicious. I would have been done for in a day. Poor Anne, a victim of her time. I admire her.

[@margaretlouise6200]

Makes my hair stand up just thinking about being at Henry's court.

[@NorthernLights2375]

The greatest legacy that Anne ever gave to King Henry VIII was their daughter Elizabeth 1st Queen of England. She rose above all to become one of the greatest British Monarchs. A mere woman, whom Henry had little faith in, being able to rule. The irony !!!

[@macdef]

Mary Tudor was the first queen of England. Elizabeth succeeded her sister, who had to fight for the right to the throne. Without the strength of Mary Tudor, who destroyed the coup mounted by her brother Edward's regents, Elizabeth would not have come to reign.

[@joannemadden7449]

I'm very surprised that while looking through the 500 year old book that the Ladies are not wearing white gloves, protecting the book from hand oils

[@gill8779]

Gloves are not as smooth or gentle as you might think. Cotton gloves are made of tangled fibres that can easily catch on small tears or rough areas in weak and degraded paper and leather. They also hold onto dust & grit making them abrasive & all these things mean gloves can damage the delicate & precious pages. I think the recommendation now is to wash hands & dry thoroughly & not use any hand cream.

[@lisadunn882]

Anne’s family used her as a pawn and she wanted better for herself.

[@ElectricSoul828]

I think its easy for people to label these historical figures as one dimensional, especially Henry VIII because of his heinous acts but its clear to me that things were much more nuance than that. I find this time in history very interesting.

[@angelamurphy9472]

Why are HISTORIANS, who know better, TOUCHING a 500 year old book with BARE HANDS! Great documentary.

[@ΒεραΚρουσταλη]

Did Anne show any mercy on Catherine ???? She was a prisoner ...she had no right to see her daughter ....she was utterly depressed and died in despair all alone deprived of her Crown and her own child....

[@heatherpettigrew1615]

OK am I the only one who seems that despite his behavior he loved his first wife very much. Mind you when he wanted to be rid of one of his later wives and divorce wasn't gonna be easy he just killed him. But that seems not to have been an option in his mind for her. Yes his treatment of her during this time and after was awful, but he went through great lengths to just divorce her rather than kill her. His desperation for an heir was stronger than his love for her, but he still cared deeply for her in his own way. At least that's how it has always seemed to me.

[@lc8963]

Very romantic opinion but we should remember that Henry couldn't kill Catherine of Aragon as she was born a royal spanish princess with very influential relatives and she didn't do any wrong thing to Henry except not giving him a male heir. In contrast Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard weren't important women.

[@maryannfoegen1709]

Henry couldn't kill Catherine or Spain would have declared war on England.

[@tatyanamelnikoff9578]

@@lc8963 oh, that's the rub! catherine of aragon was from spain!!! duh.

[@maya8627]

Queen Katherine's nephew was the Emperor Charles V. Henry dare not physically hurt her.

[@karlagb1186]

He didn’t love Anne. He was infatuated and when he didn’t get what he wanted he threw her away just like Catherine and all the rest of the poor women.

[@thaleskroth]

Henry and Anne: The Lovers Who Changed History (Suzannah Lipscomb, 2014) is a documentary and drama film. In a two-part presentation, the narration about the romance between Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn. While England's King Henry VIII is in dire need of an heir to his throne, a second wife, Anne Boleyn, is seen as an opportunity as the transition of faith at the time shakes and alters modern history. Hugs.

[@annwilliams6438]

I don’t think she really ever loved him but I suspect that her religious councillors saw her as a way to get the King away from the Catholic persuasion. Just from the timing (and that she really loved another) I think she agreed to try to be his wife for the sake of her religion.

[@mebefore9103]

And her father's aspirations

[@gill8779]

@@mebefore9103 This view is often portrayed in films about the Tudors but in reality is not proven. This is information that I have found from researching Thomas Boleyn & it suggests the opposite. As far as Anne’s relationship with Henry is concerned, Chapuys recorded in February 1533 Thomas Boleyn’s opposition to the marriage: “I must add that the said earl of Wiltshire has never declared himself up to this moment; on the contrary, he has hitherto, as the duke of Norfolk has frequently told me, tried to dissuade the King rather than otherwise from the marriage.” and in May 1533, he recorded Anne’s indignation at the opposition of her father and uncle: Whatever Thomas’ feelings about Anne’s marriage, he certainly did not need it to happen for his career to flourish. By this time, he was Lord Privy Seal and the Earl of Wiltshire and Ormond.

[@jacquelinebell6201]

She also came from a very ambitious family. They would do anything to get close to the king. And families like that used their daughters to do it eg Jane Seymour and Anne Boleyn.

[@valkyriesardo278]

Boleyn understood that her failure to give Henry a son meant her position was in jeopardy. The lack of a male heir was his primary reason for divorcing Catherine. Anne would fare no better. She knew Henry's eye was already wandering. Also, Anne had failed to become a submissive wife and thought she could have her way as she did when playing hard to get. That gave Henry another reason to be rid of her. Anne was in a desperate position so it is not impossible that she chose a desperate solution, adultery in the hope of bearing a son. There would be two advantages to sleeping with her brother. He would keep the secret and the child would certainly bear a family resemblance to the Boleyns. It really could not make any difference to Henry whether or not he believed the adultery charge. Execution for treason was the quickest means of getting rid of Anne so he could marry Seymour. Nobody would protest. The Boleyn family wanted to remain in Henry's graces so they did not defend Anne. Anne had made powerful enemies at court. Unlike Catherine of Aragon, she had not won the love of the people. Instead they called her "whore". She was not a Princess of Spain and not backed by the Pope.

[@tianna1116]

I just realized Dr. Lipscomb is the voice I’ve been hearing on the podcast I listen to! It’s called Not just the Tudors. Funny it took me so long to notice it’s the same woman! She’s very bright I like her

[@Nameless_Night]

11:20: Henry walks in, looks around like he farted snd hoped no one saw, than left 😂

[@lunarnz5175]

😂😂😂😂😂 you made me rewind it hahaahah