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[@williamb8764]

Sometimes plastic makes more sense in terms of durability and friction wise. Let’s be honest for a minute… So far these 80h eta movements have been nothing but as reliable as their 2824 ancestors. Give them a few more years before whining for absolutely no reason.

[@olivier-pierredebelmont.3630]

Potential Tissot customer...lost.😮

[@Lobzik67]

Wow!!!!!

[@ediri8354]

I was going to buy the automatic but now i will just buy the quartz, maybe.

[@sjurgabriel]

@@ediri8354 Or buy a 25 jewel version, like the Gentleman. It has a normal escapement but a silicon.based hairspring - if thats not too plastic-like for you :-)

There's several versions os the Powematico 80 movements and the plastic component is not present in all of them, such in the Ballade Cosc and Seastar.

[@yvonjasser]

I would assume that the Powermatic 80 Longines don’t have the plastic parts either ?

[@intisarmuhtadee1117]

You sure the seastar doesn't have that plastic part? Because I have one and maybe it has plastic pallet fork in it too.

[@timonb4012]

​@@intisarmuhtadee1117 When it says 23 jewels it hast the plastic parts, 25 jewels doesn't have the plastic parts

[@vanveenmatt]

Exactly! We're missing half the story!

[@theurbangentry]

Hello Kalle, wonderful video. Big fan of your work, Christiaan Huygens would be proud! I sent you an urgent email, forgive me for pestering you about it here, but please let me know your thoughts as, well, time is of the essence. Thanks again and keep up the great work. Best regards, TGV

[@pranaviyer6600]

Look who's here!

[@unnnamed45]

You are absolutely right. The watch industry is no better than others. Minimising input while maximising revenue. All wrapped up in a few warm words.

[@marcocastagnetti7086]

Made a nice change from the usual watch content, wish there were more channels exposing this kind of cost cutting.

[@hellper198]

Finally, someone who is not gushing about the Tissot Powermatic 80 movement. Thank you so much for your honesty.

[@richplant2205]

The watchmakers I watch don’t gush about, paid reviewers do

[@Flikksverdelger]

@@richplant2205 when will people realise that youtubers aren't reviewers, they're an extension of a company's marketing department?

[@jstoneracing]

There's a few versions of the powermatic 80, the Tissot Gentleman version has no plastic parts.

[@DoveSharma]

The general consensus about the movement is negetive only. I got 2 tissot watches and both are quartz. Tissot is basically a quarts watch company, if you go for their quartz varients you will be very happy for the value they provide. The fit and finish are usually two price bracket higher than what they sell for. Just never get their automatic watches.

[@rhonda837]

get the older ones with the eta.

[@sjurgabriel]

The Tissot Gentleman use the C07.811 escapement with a silicone hairspring, but a traditional escapement, if a buyer feels "plastic" has nothing to do in an escapement, but want a Tissot with 80 h power reserve. The 23 jewel version of Powermatic 80 has plastic escapement (but a metallic hairspring). The 25 jewel version has mettalic escapement with the two extra jewels located at the fork, but a silcon-based hairspring.

[@blankspace3511]

plastic = lighter parts = longer power reserve

[@DashDrones]

People are finally realising Tissot is crap.. all the same brand, I've learned to avoid everything under the Swatch company.. Blancpain Breguet Certina ETA SA Flik Flak Glashütte Original Hamilton Watch Company Harry Winston, Inc. Jaquet Droz Leon Hatot Longines Mido Omega SA Rado Renata Batteries Swatch Tissot

[@Bob-xc2us]

Does that mean you would not buy an Omega? Also part of the Swatch Group.

[@adfpv1153]

Wow really would not expect plastic from Tissot!! I’m almost as peeved as you Kalle 🤣 almost lol thanks for the vid.

[@YouTube_is_full_of_trolls]

Yes, that's the problem with the 23 jewel powermatic 80. Although the plastic part should last long and be durable. The 25 jewel version in Hamilton and mido doesn't have the plastic parts if your interested in those instead.

[@Bob-xc2us]

You sound a bit like all the horse owners that decried the invention of the automobile in late 19th century. Technology changes things and some people don't like change but change is inevitable. Even in watch making. The escapement and pallet fork in the Powermatic is made of a synthetic material that is self lubricating, low friction and quite hard. It is not the "plastic" that garbage cans are made of that people are insinuating. Calling it "plastic" in the general sense is a bit of a misnomer. Modern synthetic materials are not what the average person thinks of as plastic. Would I want these synthetic materials in a $10,000.00 watch? No. Do they do the job they were designed for? Yes. Are they acceptable in a sub $1,000.00 watch? In my mind, absolutely. Only time will tell if Tissot has made a mistake of if they have enhanced watch technology in a positive way. We shall see.

[@lebojay]

My Powermatic 80 runs at +2s/d, the whole watch cost less than a Rolex service, and I can replace the whole movement for half of what a service costs on an ordinary automatic watch. What are you complaining about?? I could have bought a more expensive watch, but I chose not to. Nobody deceived me. Nobody is deceiving you. If you don’t like this movement, there are others. All the rage over “those cheap liars!” is absolute nonsense. What did you expect for $700? If they figured out how to achieve +2s/d with plastic, that sounds high-tech to me.

[@Zonediver]

This can also be done on a hong kong watch with a seiko NH35 and is much cheaper then your tissot... and now?

[@rafaelgara1470]

idk got one of this. simply put, it works, approx. -4/day. not sure about reliability, it's just 2 yrs old

[@coreyherr5940]

What are the specs of the plastic? Just because it is plastic doesn't mean it is bad. Are Magpul magazines bad because they eliminated the steel feed lips? Of course not. It is not as simple as "plastic bad!" My Tissot Gentlemen with the Powermatic 80 is the most accurate mechanical watch I own from my testing, after wearing for 14 days I calculated it was only 0.86 seconds per day slow.

[@Anonymous-sw9zd]

your Gentlemen does not have plastic parts. It has c80.811, which uses the traditional pallet fork and silicium hairspring

[@YOSRI1990]

thank you ❤ now i make decision my next watch it s the chemain de tourelle when you buy a watch from a big company who give you 2 years and more warranty trust us or build your watch ingeneere try to make a whatch perfect and long lasting 80 hour and more pressicion and more resistance to the magnet and you think plastic not good

[@watchthusiast7869]

If you compare the plastic escapement of the Swatch 2840 - used in the pre-Sistem 51 - you will find exactly this pallet fork and escapement wheel. It isn't even new, it is old... And the major joke: The pallet fork needs lubrication, a special Moebius grease.

[@severnsea]

Exactly. I'm no expert on watches in general, but people shouldn't be too indignant about a plastic escapement because there is a genuine reason for it. Plastic, or more likely, nylon, is a better shock absorber and therefore helps with vibration, which is precisely why it's the escapement and not so much other parts that is made of the offending material. Don't believe me? Go kick the side of your car and see what happens. well preferably don't as it will most likely leave a big dent. Now go kick the side of your refuse bin with the same force. What happens? No dent. So I know people will have a hard time accepting this, but it's actually an improvement. You won't find it in high end watches of course, because people don't expect it and manufacturers know what their response will be but they would use it if they could. This Le Locle is actually a really nice watch by the way if you can accept it for what it is. I picked one up for under £400 in the January sales from a local jeweller, very happy with it and it definitely looks like it cost a lot more.

[@keesketsers5866]

@@severnsea : plastic is flexible and VERY bad at resisting friction, which is exactly the opposite of you want for the escapement. Also, plastics hardens and becomes brittle. It also shrinks. In something made with incredibly small tolerances, this is just a very bad idea. But in all reality, these watches are exactly like Seiko 5, you buy it, wear it for a few years until it starts slowing down, throw it in a drawer and buy something else....and Swatch group knows that. They want you to buy new watches, not service them.

[@williamb8764]

@@keesketsers5866 bs. Anyone with half a brain cell will replace the movement in a Seiko 5, NH35/36s are so cheap there's literally no reason not to do it, for 30 euros the watch is good for another 15 years.

[@James_WIS]

Tissot is Swatch's lowest tier brand. Boomers get upset about what they think is plastic. It does its job well. Anyway, a few steps up the Swatch ladder to Certina and they don't use this "plastic" part. I wonder what this guy thinks if the "plastic" part in the Omega Speedmaster movement 😂

[@wayneholmes637]

Swatch is Swatch's lowest tier brand.

[@abbadon5107]

Your point is, that there is a plastic part. Are there problems with it? Did it cause problems in the movement you rapaired? I like metal, but high quality plastics are also used in guns. And they last.

[@LawryBoyer]

Everyone is fast to jump to PLASTIC = BAD but do we actually have any data substantiating that these will wear out that much faster than a metal palette fork?

[@gustavopomodoro]

It's a expensive pice to manufacture in durable metal? Why exactly the pallet fork and no another piece? Maybe it's a extremely goog quality polymer and work's better than metal. Or just they are a stingy cheese-eating rats??🐭

[@federicoprice2687]

Plastic escape wheel, plastic pallet fork, plastic durability.... Personally, I think Tissot should use wood instead of plastic, which would be more environmentally friendly, and in addition, the watch would generate a nice supply of very fine sawdust to mop up any surplus moebius left hanging around the escapement.

[@PMS1950]

They did make a wooden watch once. In the 1970s. A friend had one and although rather novel didn't last long.

[@andreiprioteasa3193]

Ok but how is wood from chopped trees eco friendly???

[@juniorjohnson5961]

Bio ceramic

[@enriquesb1528]

This is a very ignorant comment in sorry. Those plastic parts are derlin which is very strong and used in many industries and heavy equipment. Just as plastic and rubber make a gshock more resistant than any steel watch, plastic can perform other functions just as good or better than metal. The reason you don’t like it is because when you were growing up you were told plastic was cheap and bad. But in fact there’s no reason why plastic couldn’t do the function properly

[@loogoo]

@@enriquesb1528 I agree, and many of these plastic parts are self-lubricating, which makes them last longer between servicing.

[@julianpetit9196]

I also think that this is garbage. Unfortunately it is a selling argument that this movement has a very long power reserve. The mainspring is much longer with more coils but being thinner. Thus the power transmitted to the escapement is weaker. To cope with this you need a silicon escapement that has very little friction or a lighter escapement that is out of plastic. In my opinion both is stupid because silicon is very brittle and plastic also gets brittle and easy to break over time. Thinking ahead some decades, you maybe won't be able to find this parts anymore in it's original quality. The main selling argument of Swiss mechanical watches however is, that they can be restored over and over again so you will always have something substantial. Who needs a power reserve that is longer than 50 hours? Nobody!

[@TLW896]

ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING. I have had some Tissots with good results. Currently still have the NON-Powermatic Visodate with less power reserve but more smoothness regarding the second hand. I presume Tissot will explain away the plastic escapement as a weight-saving measure as well as a means to keep the cost to the consumer down. At least Hamilton spelled backwards is Notlimah which has no negative connotation.

[@ChrisNewman-fu8ez]

Hamilton use the same ETA based movement, but I have to say mine runs 0-+1+seconds a day so a tiny piece of plastic doesn't bother me as long as the watch runs accuracy.,... which it does, they say it's for magnetic reasons which is fare enough

[@tancreddehauteville764]

Stop bitching! I have several Tissot watches and they all work fine, and are very accurate in timekeeping. I don't give a shit about the plastic escapement - it will continue to work for longer than I'll be kicking around.

[@Watchgang123]

Why do you think the Swatch Group used polymer to make the escapement? Why all that trouble? Does it really help save a lot of money? The answer is no. It’s actually more complicated to use polymer than brass or steel to make an escapement. Swatch Group intentionally chose polymer because it reduces ware and tear and it increases the lubrication. I m surprised a watchmaker like you don’t understand something so simple.

[@The_Touring_Jedi]

Swiss made...belongs to history. Many watchmakers assembly or import parts from Asia. By now majority makes everything in China.This is not confidental information and can be found. Same as many Watchmakers do around the World or at least those from collective West. Only exception to this are famous brand which costs in thousands which majority can't afford ofcourse those are made in countries of origin. Watches which are affordable are all made and assembled in Asia, which does not mean they are bad quality as QC is also preserved. Anymosity toward Asia is also strange. In meantime Asia can produce also quality products. It depends only how much is one prepared to pay per unit.

[@davidmills1874]

If I want a bunch of plastic bits I'll buy a quartz

[@rlsmith6904]

I would prefer facts and data from a timegrapher and time between replacement at service intervals to emotional indignation. If the beat error, vibration, and energy consumption were less for nylon over metal, and the Nylon escapement lasts 3 service intervals or 10 years, with identical ETA 2824 movements, the nylon escapement is product improvement. Manufacturers choosing this material should be transparent about it. Nylon should not be substituted if it degrades performance or reasonable endurance expectations.

[@robertbrandywine]

I put mine on a timegrapher today. +4 spd, amplitude 230, beat error 1.2 ms.

[@suvidhvongpunsawad4]

Thankyouforyourhonestreviewyouopenmyeyesiwillkeepfollowyourgoodworkyouarewxceptionaltherearenotmuchpeopleinthisworldlikeyokuthanksagain

[@ClaudioLeon1]

I believe the plastic has some amazing characteristics such as high hardness and low friction, i don't think it's a bad aspect, new materials are part of any engineer life. We need to see how it goes on the field. So far i think Tissot is doing pretty well if you consider the amount of PRX out there.

[@schell0118]

When you buy a watch which claims to have "high tech elements", you expect that to include jewels at the high friction points. There is no plastic, no matter how fancy shmansy it may be that is more effective, more advanced, more "high tech" or more desireable than rubies.

[@zbnmth]

@@schell0118 But jewels are lower tech than modern plastics. I immediately thought of a non-traditional material when the escapement was described as "high-tech". Plastic was an option. Some plastics are literally the least-wearing or strongest-per-diameter materials known to mankind.

[@ddo7802]

@@zbnmth I agree. Unfortunately it is only a plus to those who approach these issues from an engineering aspect. Emotionally, to most people, it is plastic. I get both sides of the argument.

[@zbnmth]

@@ddo7802 Same! The idea of a ruby part near your wrist is romantic. Geology and stuff.

[@Josefmc6kp]

Absolutely, especially if you consider that ETA builds movements with that plastic escapement since 1991! So they got a little bit over 30 years of experience with that.

[@HughSheehy]

What is the plastic, or are you just going "argh, plastic" without knowing anything about it? Some plastics handle wear better than metals. What plastic is it?

[@sugarnads]

It is a high tech material. Compared to steel. We use plastics in muuch higher stress environments than a fkn automatic watch. That will likely NEVER fail.

[@davidcrandall4958]

Please let me know what you think of the construction of the new 2824 non Powermatic Heritage Chronometer? these are not powermatics? Have they returned to the original 2824's? September /21/2/2024

[@chuknorth]

I have this watch. It works great, lovely piece. Plastic: Does it matter if a) it works well, and b) it has durability, c) it reduces wear? But yeah, your rage is palpable.

[@rosomak8244]

Yes it is good for the time of warranty.

[@80for80]

That's major COPE. Just admit it's 🚮🚮🚮🚮

[@SopwithTheCamel]

⁠precisely.

[@CsajágiSándor1987]

​@@rosomak8244why must you lie? I have one 3-year-old seastar 2000 and 5-year-old seastar 1000, the difference is 3-4 secs/MONTH. Secondly, this is a serviceable model, it is not difficult to change any gears. 🤡

[@bertholdbach4959]

@@80for80 What cope? He asked the question if the plastic part makes a difference in your day-to-day life. He didnt even disagree with him.

[@Golfer-rn7lh]

Swatch group are disgusting also they are a monopoly which restricts the supply of parts making it difficult to operate as an independant watchmaker

[@williamdevlin5439]

I would sell it the second I figured it out! I coukdnt wear it as it woukd bother and annoy me too much .Just shows watches selling at inflated prices not worth it.These company's better watch out. Things like this hurt the name and I woukd avoid altogether. Watch is a LUXURY and a manufacturer shoots themselves in the foot cheating out like this

[@JPLewcun]

I’m subscribed to your channel but just saw this, what a surprise! Thanks for the revelation and education!

[@darkeye77]

So I would like to know more about the real-world longevity of these. Is this plastic in fact wearing out? I see a lot of folks being offended that it's there, but I don't really see the proof that it is the failure point of these watches. And as for the watches being disposable, is anyone really repairing cheap Seiko movements that everyone swears by? When I've brought Seikos into watchmakers, they've said they'll replace rather than repairing the movement. I'm just not sure there's a world where anyone's Tissot movement would have been cost effective to repair.

[@robertbrandywine]

THe Powermatic 80 C07.111 movement was introduced in 2013 according to an article I just read. I haven't heard of any problems. You don't send it to Tissot for service if you don't want the movement replaced. It won't cost much to have the plastic parts replaced with the service.

[@lebojay]

I’m with you. People are complaining about what MIGHT happen. If you want a better watch, just buy one. Tissot doesn’t lie about what’s inside, and if you thought you were getting a quality Swiss movement in an $800 watch you really have no one to blame but yourself.

[@Bob-xc2us]

@@lebojay Other than the synthetic escapement and pallet forks and redesigned main spring these movements are almost identical to the 2824 that everyone loves. It costs less for Tissot to replace the movement at service time than to pay a watch maker to service it. Labour costs are the killer here. They are as serviceable as any other movement but economics are the driving factor.

[@Niak38240]

C'est dans l'air du temps, on produit à bas coût et on vend cher, c'est de l'argent facile et une vision à très court terme. Les chinois pendant ce temps progressent tous les jours... Mais je ne suis qu'un petit horloger de province sans grande expérience.

[@jonothankaplan]

I fear my comment may get lost among the understandably angry commenters here, but this plastic part is found only in the CO7.111 movement, and not other powermatic 80 movements such as the CO7.811, found in the Tissot Gentleman line of watches. The unfortunately compromised CO7.111 movement is found in the PRX powermatic 80.

[@geertcornelissens9266]

The Swatch Group is killing it, literally. ‘Swiss Made’ has become a mockery, especially for entry-level watches!

[@e28forever30]

Swiss made means nothing to me.

[@TomasWatchReviews]

there is "Honk Kong" written on the inside of the case cap on quartz version :) Sometimes it is hidden with black rubber glued on it.

[@severnsea]

@@TomasWatchReviews There isn't a quartz version of this watch.

[@severnsea]

Isn't the rule something like 60% of the value has to be Swiss made? Better than it was, it used to be 50% until a few years ago. To be honest it's not like it was a century ago, the rest of the world has caught up and a watch doesn't have to be Swiss to be a good watch. I know the purists won't agree but, hey, nobody cares what watch you wear anyway. Most people these days wouldn't know one brand from another.

[@twraia]

@@TomasWatchReviews Which watch are you referring to?

[@bharadwajsubramaniamoffici3374]

Iam a lucky tissot customer to have eta2836-2 prc200 watch which has fully metal palletfork and escape wheel , this movement is fully metal , serviceable and life time movement . Its not like this powermatic 80.

[@twwtb]

In many areas of engineering and manufacturing, "engineered plastics" are the right choice. This refers to plastics that are made with certain characteristics to high standards. They have known properties and pass rigorous testing. I don't know if that is the quality level of the material for these watch parts. In any case, I am a bit of a traditionalist about mechanical watches and feel these should be made from stainless steel or brass regardless of the plastics that are available. Keep in mind though that the use of plastics for some parts _may_ be a well-considered, engineering decision.

[@nicovandyk3856]

Why are you upset? It is the same holding company that completely devalued both Omega and Blancpain by associating it with plastic Swatch watches, junked once great Longines… lost Omega status to Rolex (Which they will never get back with their current short-sightedness) ultimately chasing short term volumes but will destroy all in the long run… cannot wait for the Breguet + Swatch collaboration (Sarcastic)

[@ChronoglideWatchmaking]

Couldn’t agree more 😎

[@Blue_3rd]

I have this watch in its original form, before the Powermatic 80. It keeps time better than my CHR Ward chronometer which was over double the price, as does my other Tissot (T Sport from 2010). Tissot are excellent watches - accurate and great value for money.

[@GuilhermeDinizLZ]

Greed! Perfect! Tissot is joking! No way!! I'm a fan of Tissot, but this "new tecnologie" isn't worth! It's a shame!😴

[@leovoi]

Thank you for being honest as a professional in watchmaking.. because not everybody know about that "plastic" thing, and the advertising obviously not mentioning that thing very clear.. so, if we're not a watch enthusiast, maybe we didn't even notice about that problem in long term usage. That's also the reason I choose the green Tissot PRX 40mm in quartz version.. because for the price it's ask, I think it's worth the value.

[@gcm22490]

How about you get the Tissot Gentleman Silicium? It has the ETA.C07.811 which has synthetic escapement.

[@IansModRite]

I have a couple Powermatic-80 watches and I had one serviced and it cost me about $350. This was before I knew what I know now but given that I know what I know now I’ll probably just swap a regular 2824 into those watches instead of servicing them. I can do the swap myself and save $100 or so.

[@mrdisco99]

Old news... These plastic escapement Powermatic 80 movements have been in production since 2013 and I have yet to hear of a failure due to the plastic parts. By all accounts they are just as robust and precise as their predecessors. Plastic can actually be an excellent material for an escapement if done correctly. It has lower mass, is inherently antimagnetic, and is self lubricating.

[@stevemoon2136]

It's also incredibly easy & cheap to manufacture. It's a cost reduction/ higher profit decision, nothing more.

[@andriy1000]

Why H10 version of Powermatic 80 has no plastic parts then?

[@larryscott3982]

Is the issue with TISSOT or ETA? Do all ETA C07111 have that escapement? 23 jewels. By my understanding the pallet fork jewels are critically important.

[@amandagelien9612]

I thought about your request for our comments AND This is the 21st century and methods and materials improve with time. The new parts are silicon which are lighter/non rustable/less expensive and allow for an 80 hr running cycle and should be more accurate unfortunately the cannot be black polished or pearlaged . I was in the the instrument / control industry for 35 years and we old timers ran down the new digital controls that were not built as nice as the old hand built equipment but they were more accurate/cheaper/and more durable and programable. TIME CHANGES. we should TO!🤩

[@stephenoliver1437]

When they were tissot and files kalli were very good since omega bought them out in the early eighties ended up crap didn’t realise they were using plastic escapement send em back I want my money back disgusting Swatch They recently have stopped supplying parts for uk traders I hope they go bust what they deserve owners of this brand should send every watch purchase back for refund that ell teach em a lesson in service availability

[@HorologyBiology]

I gifted my stepfather the exact same watch and serviced it last year. Thankfully for him and me it was the previous 'upgraded lol' version and has a true eta 2824-2 inside 👍🏽 High tech escapement 😂

[@Revenant.Wristwatch]

Did you know it had been upgraded when you bought it? Or was it a happy surprise?

[@HorologyBiology]

@@Revenant.Wristwatch I knew it had a 2482-2 inside prior to purchase (cannot go wrong with that movement) but I certainly didn't know that they had gone and done this on the new versions :(

[@riocc]

I was always wondering which part of the cheaper powermatic80 version was plastic... and I assumed a gear or two, but not the Palet-Fork... I think this just now will keep me away from buying a sideral s, and going for an alternative. Maybe a diver65 or so

[@dadmodswatches]

I learned this a while ago and it completely blew me away! From one grumpy old man to another, it is just another step backward for them. We see again the slow and painful demise of a once great watchmaker. Excellent video my friend, people need to know what they are buying.

[@DISK2000]

Not to mention that you can't regulate any of these movements they're putting into their entry level watches.

[@murat9268]

​@@DISK2000 It is designed to use 5-10 years, then toss it and buy again. No, thanks i just buy a similar seiko, orient or citizen automatic, with better economic value (I do not comment on resale value.)

[@amphibiousone7972]

If the Chinese would just improve their watch cases. Unfortunately I've seen the insides of "modern Swiss Movements", the cost cutting attempts rivals those taken in the 60's and 70's. What's next ? Disappointing . By the way the Pallet Fork reminds me of the part in the Titer Totter Watch from the 60's , it was a children's watch made by Fisher Price Toys. Had an escapement like this. To think Fisher Price was so ahead of the times.

[@jonathancarson1974]

The beauty of quartz confirmed.

[@BurakSezer]

I think it is Delrin not ordinary plastic. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyoxymethylene

[@Abdullah1999H]

Sir, I have tissot visodate watch, everyday forward 3 minutes, I could not open the back case, do me a favour, how can I open it?

[@paisotony1]

Well said, Kalle total rubbish

[@Handlebar-MustDash]

Shocking that Swiss makers would save a matter of pennies to insert a plastic piece of crap functioning as a high contact and crucial part. We all know that the Swiss often buy many parts in from China, a Swiss watch only need be 40% of domestically sourced parts to qualify as swiss made. A cheap crappy £15 chinese automatic watch will have a metal bejewelled escapement fork so these would literally be pennies to order at quantity from China. I will never buy a Tissot after seeing this, disgraceful and deceitful.

[@mrronvent1122]

Questions: If you replaced those plastic parts with the traditional metal ones, would the watch run any better? You can test that yourself. Do you estimate that the plastic escapement will have a shorter or longer life than the traditional one? Why? If you could have a movement made of ANY metal or metals you choose, what metals would you choose, cost no object.

[@yehoshuacirt8645]

Objectively plastic should be more durable and lubricant free. Anyway I knew about this from the internet. There is the same movement with the metal part in the Gentlemen line if I'm not mistaken.

[@justintsang6119]

@@yehoshuacirt8645 that's what I would have thought - lower friction coefficient on plastics should result in less wear. So maybe it's not such a bad thing that the pallet fork is plastic?

[@CharlesThompson-ou7wp]

I just came across this. I was looking at purchasing their GMT and this has completely turned me off from this brand. Will not give them another look. Thank you!

[@stableianF1oracle]

All this fuss about a plastic part lol 😂😂😂 I bought two PRX80s … by the time that plastic part wears out I’ll be worn out.

[@richardhunt4928]

I spend more money than I should on watches. However, after watching a video like this, I am forever soured on the brand Tissot.

[@Pluuton]

I dont get the point of most people calling it out and especially I dont understand this video. Sure I get Tissot probably could have made a more elegant solution than using plastic parts. But is the issue here that it is not "high tech", or that it just shouldnt have plastic? Because the powermatic 80 was designed to have a longer power reserve at a lower price. There are of course hi beat movements with higher power reserves but none in this price range except for the powermatic. It needs the plastic parts to reduce moment of inertia and to help the weaker beat rate to actually keep on beating. Someone in a youtube video tried swapping the fork and escape wheel out for genuine 2824 metal parts and it could not run sustained. I think its not justified that the powermatic 80 gets so much smack, although I agree it could have been solved more elegantly and that many powermatic 80 models are very expensive to use a mechanism like that, even though still not as expensive as hi beat high power reserve models.

[@Bob-xc2us]

Time will tell if the use of light weight low friction materials for the escapement is going to be a problem. Calling these parts "cheapo crap" may be a bit premature. The goal is low friction and light weight in order to extend the reserve which in return results in more sales. I have a Tissot Chemins des Tourelles with the Powermatic 80 movement and it has been accurate and durable for several years. Will it be repairable and serviceable for decades? Maybe, but the service may require replacement of the synthetic parts at some point. Let's remember that I paid $750.00 Canadian for this watch and not the $8-10,000.00 that a high end Rolex, Omega or others. You are entitled to your opinion of course but calling synthetic watch parts cheapo crap is a bit like calling synthetic oils cheapo crap because that is not what was used a hundred years ago. We mall know synthetic lubricants last much longer in watches than old fashioned oils. Is the Powermatic 80 a good movement? For the price I say definitely. Does it belong in a premium expensive watch? Perhaps not. At least not until the technology is more proven. A few hundred dollars for a service may simply involve cleaning the case and installing a new movement. What is wrong with that for an inexpensive watch. In the mean time my Tissot has been keeping time to with in 1 or 2 seconds per day for several years. I am not a watch collector or a watch snob. Just an average person that wanted a mechanical watch that keeps good time. I have achieved my goal.

[@simonclegg5301]

Plastic but not fantastic. What rubbish. Thanks for sharing with us.

[@adswu2008]

Share price is king , in every single company on the planet that has publicly traded shares ...buy independent company products and get quality ..simple

[@johndavolta3124]

I have a PR100 Powermatic 80 with plastic escapement. I have had it for 2 years as my daily driver and currently runs at +2 sec/day. The most accurate watch I have owned. Yeah, same accuracy as an coaxial METAS Omega.

[@carlrees5574]

I have worked on ETA C01211 which is used in Tissot Chronograph, this too had the same escapement but a lot of the Chrono parts and bridges were plastic as well....utter crap!! to add insult to injury this movement was based on the Lamania 5100, ok that had a few plastic bits but not as much as the eta movement. I think the C in the movement designation stands fro CRAP!

[@RisingPhoenix1]

It’s well known that the C07.111 has a plastic escapement. C07.6xx version has a regular escapement. C07.8xx version has a regular escapement plus a silicon balance spring. I agree, plastic pallet fork and escape wheel has no place in a Swiss movement. C07.1xx movements are considered disposable- the movement typically costs less than a service. All the auto Tissot PRX line has the plastic escapement. The Gentleman line has the regular escapement. I’m somewhat surprised to learn the plastic escapement (C07.1xx) is in the Le Locle line which is Tissot’s biggest seller worldwide. I’m not a fan of the line, which costs basically the same as the Gentleman. I guess the takeaway is be suspicious of a modified/updated 2824 ETA movement with 23 jewels lol (they are here to stay)

[@sjurgabriel]

Thank you for details. This means my Gentleman with 25 jewels and C08711 has a regular escapement, for what it´s worth. I´m very happy with how it runs anyway.

[@Klingonmastr]

Every so often Amazon drops the price of the Powematic 80 Gentleman watch to $425. Right now they have the blue dial version for $425. At least with the Tissot Gentlemen watch you get the regular escapement and not a plastic one like in the PRX. Of course there are still other minor problems like people complaining about the bracket having sharp edges.

[@sardasert]

is this a new thing? I wonder if my old LeLocle (not powermatic - T41.1.423.33) has this plastic thingy or not

[@Tazovskyy]

In my Atlantic seacrest is regular and has 2824-2 too but its the 25 jewell option

[@Shawn_White]

Man even the Seiko 7S26 which has no hand winding/hacking has a jeweled pallet fork. Even the Miyota 8200a has a jeweled pallet fork. What even is this garbage.

[@darkolazarevski4434]

Nice video! So, which you recommended like 'ok' auto-machine swiss and japan made? Thanks!

[@pb6839]

ive been saying this for years. Now the PRX is being advertised by all influencers as the best watch for young people or first time watch buyer. A cheaped out movement that won't last 5 years. Imagine how these people will feel after the watch they were told was so great, isn't easily serviced, stops working. I have sympathy with you. It's de-valuing the brand.

[@uhrologe2596]

I'm actually wondering if and why all dutch watchmakers do look, talk and sound like Nico Leonard. 😅 But at least he didn't said the F-word.

[@amandagelien9612]

If you want to keep your job in the corporate world you must MAKE A PROFET and make Sales and on the outside look Wonderfull 😝. Thats why I am a SEIKO FAN work well/innovative/sound engineering/ and if you require P.O.S.H YOU BUY GRAND SEIKO . Also a pleasure to repair and service as a technician / watch nut ! 🤩🤩🤩

[@kewintaylor7056]

I totally agreed with you!…😢 Very disappoint…😢

[@JohnDavidHays]

Wait a minute! Wait a minute! No!! My favorite KZbin watchmaker makes a video about my favorite watch - and tells me it’s crap 😮😢. Worse yet, it’s the watch I happened to have on that day. Even worse yet, I have to see it ticking away with a plastic fork for the next 80 hours. Sign me, Crushed. 💔

[@ilikedandysworldig]

at least you get a plastic fork 😋🥗

[@erickv1977]

everything in 2024 has plastic planes cars computers phones, etc, do you know why? because you need to put it to make the thinks works better!

[@toegunn4905]

Why not just buy a nice quartz movement at this point? I promise a hermetically sealed tuning fork will last longer and be easier to replace than this.

[@timelesstechwatches]

There’s a reason why Tissot spelled backwards is “Toss it”. They’ve been making bad decisions. I’ve seen it with the Swissmatic… a literal unserviceable movement because it’s glued together (no screws). What the actual hell.

[@johnnyarsenault9124]

If not mistaking: the Swissmatic is based on the System 51 (which was mfgr. for Swatch), incredibly the watches which they put the El-cheapo movements inside really look good (the old saying: if it’s too good to be true, it ain’t), the difference in a quality movement are very small money wise. ETA needs better administrators to survive their reputation of quality products.😢

[@cristianmark3325]

Tissot is part of swatch group as well as certina,hamilton etc. And they don t make their own decisions. If swatch group decides that c07.111 will be the new standard, it will be the new standard

[@dustylondon5207]

What’s your thought on the Le Locle’s 3 bar water resistance rating? It’s my understanding restating that I shouldn’t swim in my Le Locle, but I’ve recently seen some info saying that watch makers may dismiss that and say it’s no big deal to swim in it.

[@JesusChrist-iz7fl]

Self lubricating....that's why it's high tech, shame they won't release spare parts thought.

[@Bob-xc2us]

I recently watch a video where the escapement and pallet fork were replaced as part of the service. I wonder where he got the parts. They were packaged in individual little packets.

[@tomholloway7566]

Swatch group, not much else to say Kalle. They have no consideration for the future apart from selling more watches, not having them repaired. 😢

[@Bob-xc2us]

These movements are as serviceable as any other movement. PS: Swatch Group also owns Omega so they do know how to make quality watches.

[@David-hk3ly]

I have a Tissot quartz watch which I spent $500.00 to buy. Its functions such as changing the calendar are imprecise and clumsy and don't compare with a $100 Seiko or Citizen. I think I will stick with the latter instead of throwing money away on Swiss technology.

[@StephanJPPL]

Never seen anything like it. Think that Tissot dares to put its reputation in jeopardy with a cheap plastic pallet fork and escape wheel. Escapement must be worn out almost immediately. The cheapest, $50 mark, Chinese watches have better escapements than this Tissot. Horrible.

[@Bob-xc2us]

The synthetic parts are not being used just to save costs. They have properties that make the 80 hour reserve possible. It is as much an engineering decision as a cost decision. Most people only hear the word "plastic" and think of plastic shopping bags that fall apart the minute you pick them up. The synthetic material used in the ETA movements is an engineered polymer synthetic material that may well be more suited for the purpose than the traditional steel escapement and man made "ruby" pallet forks. Natural rubies are no longer used in most watches today.

[@AmitDixit13]

this is why opt for tissot heritage 1938 cosc. Lover power reserve but peace of mind.

[@jerryglasses2229]

My understanding is that there are different grades of the powermatic movement with the metal parts 100% servicable. Also i really dont get why a diposable movement is that big a deal. If popping in a new one is cheaper than servicing by all means ill take the new movement.

[@john-paulsobol9662]

This is true. As for the grade with the plastic escapement (delrin) this movement is also perfectly serviceable. It just has a plastic escapement. Truth is regardless of what grade or even if it was a 2824 old school movement, swatch group will just put a new movement in as it names more sense.

[@PP-bm7zp]

100% I would rather have a brand new movement rather than old worn out “serviced” parts

[@tonyl7000]

The 2 most common Powermatic 80s: 23 jewels version = plastic lower version 25 jewels version = HQ version with no plastic There are even higher 25 jewel versions in more expensive skeleton watches... The video shows the bottom tier powermatic 80.

[@amenhotep7704]

But hey, if this is really it, just think about all the people who stripped down a powermatic 80, they got to find out, you guys can just literally expose this then Tissot will have to explain themselves...

[@evanssm1]

Maybe we just need to step back; put our prejudices to one side; take a deep breath and get with the times. After all there are some advantages to using silicon and similar materials, especially, in a not inexpensive (compared to quartz watches) but very affordable (compared to the likes of Rolex and Omega) watch. For example, it's possible that materials like silicon or plastic generate less friction so they don't require as much lubrication and will perform more reliably over time. Silicium balance springs are a pretty common feature of watches these days. "Plastic" is going to be resistant to changes in temperature and magnetism (although, unlike the potential reduction in friction, I doubt whether these particular features are relevant to the escapement). I was under the impression that the Powermatic 80 movement was not really serviceable and couldn't be regulated in the normal sense. Although something would happen if you tinkered with the weights on the balance wheel, I don't think the results would be pleasing. My understanding was that the timing was adjusted during manufacture by shaving bits off the hairspring using a laser. I think that the powermatic 80 was intended to be accurate, reliable and relatively service free but probably not a watch that you would be passing down through the generations. If it developed a fault the manufacturer would usually replace the movement. Still, I couldn't imagine that any high end watchmaker would shove "cheap plastic" escapements in their horological masterpieces... err... would they? ulysse-nardin.watchonista.com/news/ulysse-anchor-tourbillon

[@cunawarit]

I just want us to go back to high accuracy quartz movements being the bread and butter of the industry, and I want to see real innovation in horology. The mechanical gimmick dressed as luxury has gone too far, and this is the symptom... innacurate watches that can not be regulated and have parts that will wear out quicker. It's time to stop and roll back the clock to an era when high quality, servisable quartz movements were the pinnacle of watch making.

[@brucemiller8109]

Sir...as an Aircraft Tech and engineer Ive noticed a huge lowering of quality from RR engines to airframe fitment (Doors falling off at 17K feet). Im retired now, my peers always wanted to do quality work to maintain Airworthiness but employees today are more interested in their tick tock then setting engine core bearing tolerances.

[@Zonediver]

Cheap and dirty, expensive at selling... this swatch group and his products is a NOGO!

[@advaitkottary]

But it’s not plastic, it’s bio-ceramic you know 😅

[@PJHLR]

Even TIMEX doesn't use plastic escapements! This is what happens when "Bean Counters" take over the executive management of a company. This will likely cost Tissot in a few ways: Can a reputable dealer continue to sell a watch like this without disclosing it's dirty secret? Why risk your reputation while knowingly selling a deeply flawed watch? What are customers going to think when they eventually find out? They will likely feel cheated. Tisk tisk for Tissot.

[@alaindrolet_atlt_2019]

Oh geez !!! 😮 plastic parts !!!! What going on with Tissot it’s a shame !! Thank you Kalle to show us this horrible things !!

[@metallusmelandril7380]

I wanted a PRX and then I got into hobby watchmaking… so yeha no more So sad because I think case and dial weise it’s a banger and a true classic

[@sheldonm9205]

I have 2 PRX Powermatic models. No issues so far, but it's very disappointing. Had I known this, I would have waited for the CW12 or the NG77

[@a04828450]

Not only the pallet fork but also the escape wheel is plastic!! nevertheless I do find it interesting that this escapement is exactly the same as the one found in the Tissot 2270 from the ‘70s (all plastic but the balance wheel) found in the “Astrolon”… Hey! at least this “high tech” escapement has some history 😂

[@RocketSailing]

To be fair. The plastic movement was during the quartz crisis. And was their experimental-design range. and, they didnt hide it. :) But this new "hitech-plastic" secapement is fooling customers right out. Good thing in this era. It will find its way to social media. And will backfire.

[@MyNameIsGhost]

Im extremely dussapointed with my PRX. It is and will remain my only tissot. Garbage company, garbage quality movement, for high price