Chronos talks about Hades and Zagreus - Hades 2

Chronos talks about Hades and Zagreus in Hades 2
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[@Macaulyn_97]

People are talking about Zagreus being a boss, but I'm starting to think they could set him up as a second playable character eventually.

[@aRandomFox00]

Potential co-op mode? I'd be down for it.

[@Nicholebar]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they parallel you finding persephone after beating hades in the first game by doing the same with this but have Melinoe find her brother instead She does go into his room after all

[@enhab7457]

"The thing is, my girl, I can have *both.*"

[@lozm4835]

@@enhab7457 Was just thinking that. The boss fight to player pipeline is a time honoured tradition, and it would seem Chronos is quite the traditionalist

[@I2dios8]

Could easily be both. Fight a corrupted Zagreus, liberate him from corruption, and he becomes a second playable character.

[@Tato-yo8fg]

Since Chronos can control time, imagine a boss fight against Zag set during the first game. He won’t know who you are and will assume you’re someone stopping him from leaving.

[@v.s8212]

this is one of the best ideas I've seen so far

[@notoftenused9433]

It'd be cool,but zag likes small talk too much. He'd ask why she's stopping him,or who she is, etc, and they would end up INCREDIBLY unlikely to fight

[@ezekielbaskerville2710]

​Zag isn't exactly the gullible type, though, and I don't think he'd just believe someone saying "oh, I'm your sister from 30 or so years in the future, by the way, have someone take a look at those pieces of Chronos sprinkled through Tartarus, he's about to reform."

[@apj501st]

Pls send your idea to the devs

[@soedragons3582]

​@@ezekielbaskerville2710 You say that but a trait he inherited from his father (beyond the sense of humor and combat style and whether he likes it or not) is that he is a rather good judge of character, a good example is how fast he noticed that the Olympians considered the Underworld deities below them and that they weren't exactly completely trustworthy, so I believe that a time travel to the first game wouldn't work the way Kronos intended, it could even be a setup for his final defeat.

[@dwagonswayer.4835]

Don’t tell me he got a sinister plan on Zag… The other gods been sus as of late, complimenting him…

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Why wouldn't they Complement him? They spent the last game trying to help him out of hades...until the Choose between two boons appear. 😢

[@dwagonswayer.4835]

@@silverhawkscape2677 think about it, with Chronos fourth wall breaking, you think he wouldn’t know who been simp the most. Literally Chaos incarnate said so himself that he likes Zag

[@ezekielbaskerville2710]

@@silverhawkscape2677 The reason they wouldn't compliment him is that they are the Greek Pantheon, especially the ones of Olympus. Most of them (if not _quite_ all) are vengeful narcissists. Just take Demeter, who was willing to kill of humanity in an eternal winter because she thought they were responsible for Persephone disappearing, and the rest of the Pantheon just... doesn't give a shit. Or Zeus, who "forgives" Hades for Zeus kidnapping Persephone of his own free will. And those are just the two ones I can immediately think of.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

@@ezekielbaskerville2710 Except that's not how there relationship was in the First game.

[@Jknight416]

Well there was an affinity system in the first game for us to build a connection between Zag and the gods. The fact that they compliment on Zag in this games goes to show that he had a significant impact on them.

[@samy29987]

Not enough is being said about Chronos' voice actor and the distortion implemented to his voice. It just fits so well and the delivery of the lines is excelent as well.

[@theformation3781]

Logan Cunningham, who's also the voice of Hades, Poseidon, Achilles, Charon, Asterius, Polyphemus, and Homer/Narrator.

[@mikubrot]

is zagreus in fucking time prison

[@aRandomFox00]

yes.

[@joshuaarnett762]

Everyone from the House Hades but Hades himself is.

[@cbunny6671]

Yeah he's using harmonica as he sits with his back to the wall of his cell

[@nabinoorshahil2715]

@@joshuaarnett762 Yeah and it seems like Hades and Melinoe have inherited a resistance to his time magic which is why he was the only one not frozen in time.

[@lilbee3840]

G man be like:

[@ayrandabenoja5827]

Chronos looks like he's going to tell me to prepare for unforseen consequences

[@hopefulfriend4163]

They're kinda hyping up Zag, makes me wonder how it'll end up.

[@caiusdrakegaming8087]

Not really weird that they are, for one he was the protag for the first game AND is canonically strong enough to fight his dad on equal footing. He's a god of rebirth/resurrection and his whole job t the end of the game was to keep making his way to the surface to see any weaknesses in the anti-escape measures. Zag is badass, and deserves some hype.

[@Guzioo]

@@caiusdrakegaming8087 We formed a bond with Zagreus, and this is a sequel after all in which the story is very connected to the first game. It was necessary and is of course great that they do

[@rajahzia]

He will be eaten by chron for powerups. We will be able interact with his spirit later. The supergiant way..

[@Dr.J42]

@@rajahziaIf Supergiant does this, they’re evil. Not my boy Zag.

[@aisha_ghoul]

Oh by the gods ?!?!? If they so happen make zag into a boss making the siblings fight I be piss off…… though that might make him free

[@keithfilibeck2390]

I can almost promise you that Zag is the final boss of the Olympus route.

[@princeoflemons212]

Seeing how it's placed grammatically, I'm pretty sure all Chronos insinuates is that Zagreus doesn't have the gift for evading Chronos' time-stop powers like Melinoë does.

[@PeterLong-fb5pc]

@@keithfilibeck2390if that were the case wouldn’t the Gods be talking about him by now? Unless chronos releases him into the surface as the story progresses, but he still gotta deal with the Underworld curse as well

[@tiffanychan9627]

​@@princeoflemons212It can be confirmed in a flashback sequence in which the player can play as past Hades. When Chronos invades and seizes the House he puts the residents (one of whom is Zagreus) in a stasis in which they appear frozen in time like statues (trapped in a rectangular prism-shaped prism)

[@xxmoonspellxx1801]

KEEP. MY BROTHER'S NAME. OUT OF UR 🤬 MOUTH. ~Melinoe probably

[@Jack-lo5me]

I like the idea that Time is an almighty power that you need to have some connection to yourself and be not caught unaware in order to combat. That’s why Melanoe doesn’t get one-shot, her godly powers/being revolve around the moon, a symbol of passing time, she has been taught how to deal with all sorts of magical powers before, AND she’s not un-aware. It would explain how someone as terrifyingly powerful as canonical Zagreus who has beaten his own Father up to 10+ times would lose to Chronos so easily-

[@cameronbaughman2090]

Enough games old man! Tell where the others are or learn the taste of imprisonment in an alternate dimension where not even light can escape.

[@coltonwilliams4153]

Funny you should mention that. I had the idea of defeating Chronos by locking him in a prison of nightmares. As Goddess of Nightmares, it’s something that only Melinoë could do.

[@UnlimitedFlyers]

Melinöe - Dispenser of Nightmares. She Who Locks Gods and Mortals Alike In the Prison of Their Own Minds, Forever Experiencing Their Own Worst Fears. A fate worse than Death, truly.

[@coltonwilliams4153]

Hold on… are you talking about the Tartarvardenenead from Demons of Astlan?!

[@ChildOfApollo]

I want a corrupted Zag boss fight so bad

[@kevinjohn319]

There is still room for at least 2 more bosses for the surface area, imagine the irony if Zagreus is one of them.

[@kamudo999]

why are people saying that zagreus could become a boss? nothing in that dialogue indicated anything about chronos trying to use him against her

[@BladeMasterIcarus]

Well the thing is I could see zegreus taking an offer from Kronos one way or another. Kronos is allowing the dead to roam the earth. Naturally zegreus could be able to explore the world beyond the underworld. Even if it's only temporary. Though it would go against his whole purpose from the first game

[@kamudo999]

@@BladeMasterIcarus indeed, if anything, maybe kronos could force/brainwash him into becoming his servant, and he could become a boss fight, but upon defeating him, she would say or maybe there is a line of dialogue which stated that zegreus wasn´t at his full strenght due to either try to fight against the control which would explain why he can be defeated

[@BladeMasterIcarus]

@@kamudo999 I personally don't like the brainwashing angle but wouldn't mind it if zegreus was coerced into working for Kronos. It would certainly be something the titan would do as a villain since zegreus can't die. Though I really wouldn't want him to be frozen in time for the whole game either.

[@sammitchellchannel8944]

I hope the final release after we save zag, he become a playable character again

[@jamul_cos]

0:59 THIS was the dialogue that made me angry enough to beat Chronos for the first time. I remember I was so stunned for several moments, but then decided to lock in to avenge Zagreus

[@felipefroehnerteixeira4777]

Everybody is talking about zag bring a boss fight while i only wish for theseus to be back with a new bestie leaving asterious behind because of the hades guys turning their backs against their former master so i think if theseus got a new boss fight with out asterious would be sick

[@garreonlefay6703]

wait, wdym Asterius turned his back on the House?

[@ouroboros0000]

Im starting to believe that perhaps Nyx early dealing with the Fates was what brought Chronos back. Like she refuses to discuss it with anyone and everyone, even Zagreus. So I think this is the consequences of having the Fates doing a favor for you.

[@yeeyw]

Nah that's too far fetched. In the first game there's dialogue that Satyr is increasingly becoming a problem while zag always had his satyr killing spree It's just enough to hold them back. And if you notice the mages who follow chronos is satyr. So it's all satyr fault i think zag daily killing spree only be able to hold them back till mel was born. And satyr successfully collected chronos body pieces and resurrect him

[@vortexlash]

In the first game, you level up your weapons using Titan Blood obtained after a fight with Maegera. Chronos also mentions re. his resurrection, that "blood sacrifices also helped".

[@02brother]

your house? i don't see YOUR pictures anywhere else, pal...

[@hartantoanggoro]

The place where you start in the first game become the final place for a final boss while the place where Charon spanks you for robbing him become the first area of the game in the sequel.

[@droylajarhirthefelinethief81]

0:34 Mel is channeling Kain here. "Let's drop the moral posturing, shall we? We both know there is no altruism in this pursuit. Your reckless indignation led you here, I counted on it. There is no shame in it, Raziel, revenge is motivation enough; at least it's honest. Hate me, but do it honestly." All this from memory, by the way. God, those games were something else.

[@EmptyMan000]

Reminds of Tsubaki's response from the Soul Eater series when she joined Blackstar to fight against the villains, specifically Mifune. Mifune asked if they attacked because Mifune is fighting alongside witches, which are bad guys in the setting, but nope. One of their friends, Maka, was attacked and they're just getting revenge. Pure simple, and no moral posturing. Just payback.

[@brattikaylafelix1090]

The fact that my first thought when I encountered zag's mention was: did you eat your grandson?!!! Chronos!

[@werewolfhunter1119]

So im just curious now that there's obviously stuff we dont know, like where her brother and mom are. Will they have more content once released, or maybe dlc?

[@alienonlsd3209]

Okay so I heard a theory and I'm starting to come around on it. We have now confirmed that the satyrs were worshiping chronos and that is what the ritual they were trying to perform in the temple of styx was about. However zagreus a God who had powers tied to rebirth revitalization after dying and blood started charging through the place wielding weapons that were being upgraded with Titan blood. So while their rituals were being stopped they got a new idea to eventually steal Zagreus armory of fully upgraded arms and used the titan magic and essence charged in them to revitalize chronos. It also feels like it could potentially have been a punishment by the fates upon the House of Hades for zagreus getting reincarnated against their will but I doubt that they would put themselves in a position where they wouldn't be in control unless they also foresaw that they would be rescued.

[@iwasdeleted708]

Hear me out what if the titan torches are the reasons Melinoe can resist Chronos. It’s just a thought.

[@seedlesswatermelon566]

Bro you missed a fishing spot!

[@XX-sp3tt]

Inventively cruel punishments for inventively cruel souls. Ask the first werewolf.

[@PedroHenrique-mu4zi]

Melinoë should have said: "Let's drop the moral posturing, shal we? We both know that there's no altruism in this pursuit". If you understand this quote, you're a goat.😊

[@ZabZabZabie]

I'm really wondering if they'll explore the aspect of Cronos not being totally black or white in the full release. I could also see Zagreus being turned into an enemy, corrupted by hate for the fates who have caused so much harm to their family

[@EvenFlow391]

I'm torn between having Zagreus in Co-Op, or having Zagreus as a boss fight.

[@eldritch3465]

Okay but why is Kronos not entirely wrong. Like Meg and her sister where running around whipping ppl in a not fun way, Sissyphus was massively punished for not wanting to die and annoying Zeus, Achilles had to become a 'servant' so his lover can get into Elysium

[@nightmarearcade2663]

We have to remember that the underworld is supposed to be both heaven and hell for the dead in Greek mythology. Also you might wanna look up the myth for, Sissyphus because trust me despite how much he's changed he was well deserving of his fate at the time.

[@idiotwithopinions581]

You’re forgetting that Tartarus was where the worst people went to be punished, and Sisyphus trapped Thanatos and deceived Hades. I’d say Hades isn’t a “bad guy” just for punishing people who were horrible, and he definitely doesn’t deserve this punishment. Sorry, I’m a Hades empathiser, even in the first game

[@zanderhandler129]

Hades was right to do those things though, and is by all accounts a very just King. Meg and her sisters torment terrible people, Sisyphus was a Tyrant King who violated the rules of Hospitality and slaughtered his guests for amusement, and Achilles and Patroclus were warmongers who annihilated numerous towns surrounding Troy. None of the examples you gave represent inherent unjust acts, and even if those things you said were bad, Chronos clearly has no intention of being "better" than Hades, as evidenced by his allowance of the dead to roam the surface. Chronos is not even slightly in the right, not every story needs a morally grey villain.

[@didufartlol]

sisyphus deserved everything that happened to him and more

[@eldritch3465]

@@nightmarearcade2663 he's an awful dude for sleeping with his neice so his incest babies can get him his brother throne, and killing alot of guests, yes, but Zeus only takes action against him when he tells one of Zeus's kidnapped lover's father where his daughter was. It may have been for profit but it wasn't any of the evil acts that directly caused his punishment, it was definable of Zeus. Hades is still the jailor for a bad reason. It would be like arresting Jeffery Dahmer for being gay. Like the dude is down right evil, but so are the ppl imprisoning him for being gay

[@XVDragonGaming]

Wonder who is 'stronger' of the two children of Hades? Zag is probably the better warrior, but Mel is a magic user, so it is comparing apples to oranges kind of thing. Yes, Zagerues was defeated by Chronos, but was he booned up or in a base state during the attack? Even Mel tells Hades she has a chance one-on-one (compared to 6 gods taking him all at once in the first war) because she is empowered by the boons of the other gods, so even she admits her base state would not likely be enough 99% of the time.

[@TheOneAndTrueHead]

Guys no matter how much zag gets tortured, I think he'll be ok. Just extremely tired and in need of a long rest. Stop worrying. Imagine meli and zag in a team tho 😵

[@mostlyimpulsive3462]

I'm calling it now, corrupted Zagreus is the final boss of the Olympus route. How ironic, that he's finally allowed to survive on the surface, but in the worst way possible.

[@maybeimrambling9401]

why does chronos talk like he cares about mortals?

[@EmptyMan000]

He likes to talk about himself as righteous, especially since he ruled during the Golden Age of Mankind, where he controlled everything and mankind was at their peak. It's all Ego, he doesn't really care about people, just making himself look good.

[@maybeimrambling9401]

@@EmptyMan000 to be specific mortals didn't even exist in his time zeus created mortals actually

[@Cruxin]

​​@@maybeimrambling9401Pretty sure that's not true in the game canon, iirc more than once people have talked about mortals before zeus

[@maybeimrambling9401]

@@Cruxin that's strange that is a vital piece of lore

[@mondenkindqueen]

It was partially Zagreus’ fault Chronos came back. That Titan Blood we were collecting to upgrade our weapons? Guess which Titan it belonged too?

[@armi999]

To be fair, Hades and Meg seem to have a big stash of it. So hard to say Zag collecting some causes this.