Chuck Schuldiner betrayed Death metal worse than Chris Barnes did

[@rporta]

if Chuck betrayed death metal by selling out and making masterpieces like Human, Individual Thought Patterns, Symbolic, and The Sound of Perserverance...I'M SO GLAD AND HAPPY HE DID

[@RoryLynott]

I could give two fucks if a musician changes styles/ genres and do it right. Chuck pulled it off in spades.

[@i_want_my_shuggah]

Me too.

[@triumphant39]

Yeahh I’m sorry but they are wrong for this one. Apparently it’s a good thing if progressive death metal never existed? Give me a break. Osdm can become cheesy and banal at times, and if death had continued the way it was it would basically be AC/DC, every song sounds the same. Even a band like cannibal corpse changes its sound significantly. In order for a band to keep sounding like scream bloody gore, leprosy, slowly we rot, cause of death, or altars of madness; a band would essentially have to die, and creatively stagnate. The reason those albums are so unique, and original and special is because they are raw and primitive (up to a certain point), and that isn’t an intentional thing, because it was essentially prototype material. Oldheads are sometimes deadheads, it is what it is, you’re not going to change their opinion.

[@quack2thesequel]

Gay, those aren't masterpieces

[@i_want_my_shuggah]

@@quack2thesequel 😂😂😂

[@deepseaderro]

I think context matters with a band changing their sound. In the case of Metallica its obviously selling out because they were deliberately softening/simplifying their sound and riding the 'heavy alternative' trend in the 90s and early 00s to sell more records. Bands like Death and Gorguts changed their sounds because they were progressing as musicians and wanted to make original music that pushed the boundaries of the genre, there's nothing trendy or commercial about them.

[@dumbreptile9584]

Tbh maaaaaaaaaybeeeeeeeee you could make a point for Death trying to fit into this category, since their sound became slightly more melodic (Though I still can't imagine an alt metal fan listening to something like Human) but ain't no fucking way Gorguts changed their sound to be more commercial, I don't even like Obscura that much but it's just way too chaotic for a casual metal fan who mostly listens to midtallica to enjoy

[@nonserviam4813]

Later death is way more accessible than the earlier material. Chuck actively abandoned death metal in all aspects, but most noticeably in his music and lyrics on anything after leprosy. His songwriting also got progressively worse the more he strayed away from death metal. The reality is if Death weren't one of the first bands in the genre, they would be complete also rans.

[@Lifer-b4c]

Metallica is still awesome 😎

[@Lifer-b4c]

@pudendalneuralgia Thanks for saying that a lot of people don’t know those details. Will is a dedicated person it’s one of the reasons I love Lorna shore his passion for the music 🎶

[@ibixlix1]

Death didn't change as much as evolve. You can hear it on each record. Full disclosure, Death is one of my favorite bands, but nothing after Spiritual Healing is death metal. I am fine with that too, not every band needs to put out album after album of the same eight songs.

[@SuicidalGrind]

17:29 Dawg licked his lips after talkin' bout suckin' one 😂😂

[@lopolik]

hahahahahahahaha

[@Ishitonyou666]

He was a little hungry 🤤 😂

[@paulhetrick1759]

He has been flying the rainbow flag recently, doing a collaboration with Melanie, aka Manly Loves Mainstream. He also spent almost a whole video reading the $10 gay boy story.

[@ianswift3521]

that youtuber has seriously the most unattractive and unlikable festering persona for a youtuber that I've seen. though to be fair I don't watch much youtuber stuff and perhaps many are like that so I wouldn't be surprised if it's a commonality. it just reeks of the whole invert-and-subvert-traditional-standards-of-beauty-and-Western-culture fad that has been going on in the feminist and simp milieus for the past 10 years. the whole "body positivity", shaved head or blue hair with 3 septum rings, buddhist monk 30cm droopy ear gauge, huwites with dreadlocks, all of that kind of thing. @@paulhetrick1759

[@Ishitonyou666]

@@paulhetrick1759 is it Melanie loves death metal channel? That’s what pops up . Never heard of her.

[@Grim.Tyrant]

“You either die as Dissection or live long enough to become In Flames” -unknown

[@teddestiny554]

I believe in Jon Nödtveidt.

[@heavenlysuffering]

Yepr 😒

[@christopherrobin361]

@@teddestiny554 Only Nodtveidt is real . . .

[@coveredinthorns7185]

Dissections last album was pretty mainstream

[@tyranthate]

or enslaved

[@battoreddu9303]

I'm glad that Death "betrayed " death metal and put out masterpieces like Human and Symbolic,albums that bands like CC which never betrayed death metal will never ever be able to make

[@lenol0315]

Lmao dem vid titles that get ppl clickin 🖱💥

[@KD-7705]

@icankillbugswrong.

[@lopolik]

@icankillbugs But the Sound of Perseverance is way better than both human and Symbolic. Great album.

[@georgejackson4424]

Can't picture Human being a betrayal of death metal

[@jimmycampbell78]

Horval is talking garbage, needs to be ignored. If people stayed in narrow genre boundaries with no creativity or risks taken then music would just be stagnant. You would not even have metal in the first place. It only exists at all because some musicians in the 1960s decided they were not going to be blues and rockabilly purists.

[@mclovinpo]

Chuck said him self multiple times his later albums weren’t death metal

[@macabre19]

He did and yet people still bitch about those albums being progy.

[@TheHighwayDreams]

@@macabre19 theyre just shit albums

[@NAT-turners-Revenge]

@@macabre19 exactly, I like death because of their compositions not because they fit into a category

[@milenschneewei6754]

@@NAT-turners-Revenge finaly someone that gets it

[@Circleofdxxdcx]

@@NAT-turners-RevengeYeah me too

[@evangregory981]

Hard to call something done with talent a “betrayal.” Barnes just outright sucks at making music. I don’t think anyone betrayed. One is just talented and the other is just shit. It’s that simple brah brah

[@primalmythic386]

Tell that to metal blade records he s been on their label almost 30 years. CB does the lyrics , the others do the music.

[@deicidal_lust]

When is the split between HHR cats and NWN cats ?

[@themarshallarts]

17:11 dawg looked like he was catchin somethin nasty Catchin that Glen Benton gunk

[@justinhorval8471]

Spirtual healing does not have the gay logo brah brah. Another out of the loop geezer.

[@leatherface1975]

CHUCK WAS A GREAT GUITAR PLAYER!!!!

[@ericdravenX00X]

Corpsegrinder is like a Big Kid. He's addicted too his clawmachines.

[@lopolik]

18:03 lol this j-dawg scream is really funny.

[@cdy9019]

I saw Death on the Spiritual Healing gig I think at Milwaukee Metal fest and got to speak to him at a merch table and was really underwhelmed at him telling me he didn't even like singing Death Metal he wanted to do Power Metal. Shit man that was during one of the best DM albums ever. I left very confused.

[@danielpineda58]

no man, that´s the point, that album doesn´t have anything to do with death metal, everything after spiritual healing is just a progressive power metal try

[@JelloFluoride]

What the fuck, Chuck? 🤨 Dude literally invented "a" style of singing Death Metal and he didn't like doing it? Then why do it for several albums?

[@danielpineda58]

@@JelloFluoride when you don't have talent to sing the way you want you have to stick the your possibilities

[@notyaboi2781]

If you dont believe him go relisten to symbolic. Crystal moutain is literally a power/speed metal song with harsh vocals.

[@darthjason7019]

Sometimes you love something but are really good at something eles. Nothing wrong with that . My favorite guitarist is christan muenzner. He is damn good , I mean great at death metal , but his favorite is power metal. He actually plays both now , mabey chuck could of if he got too live longer

[@spankybee]

Chuck tried to kill off Death and do Control Denied, Nuke Blast supposedly agreed to release Control Denied if Chuck did another Death album. That was the word back then.

[@mattt2581]

That's exactly the case.

[@mclovinpo]

It’s the truth sound of perseverance has songs that were made for control denied

[@Poser_Metal_Records]

There are demo versions of the songs floating around in KZbin where they have clean vocals.

[@i_want_my_shuggah]

Schuldiner never tried to kill Death. He was *forced* to release an album under the name Death because the record label just wanted profit. He just used the material he had prepared for Control Denied and put it into *The Sound of Perseverance* and it ended up being an album. Then, later he put the Control Denied stuff and that's it.

[@corywoehlke]

I love how she rolls her eyes before you put her down. The cattitude.

[@NAT-turners-Revenge]

😂

[@emeraldgreensg]

Some musicians do something so great that they get a pass in my book for any supposed down-grade. Trey Azagthoth gets a pass, I don't give a damn if he puts out 10 techno albums. James Hetfield gets a pass even when he sings country ballads. Lemmy gets a pass even doing Christmas songs or some such. Chuck Schuldiner gets a pass even though he hired great musicians to elevate himself and he got way too melodic.

[@emeraldgreensg]

I almost forgot: Chris Barnes also gets a pass.

[@christopherrobin361]

David Vincent?

[@connornyhan8369]

17:10 the dawg briefly gets possessed by the spirit of a canoe

[@i_want_my_shuggah]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@i_want_my_shuggah]

BROOOOOOO

[@i_want_my_shuggah]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAY

[@TallicaTone]

The reason Chuck didn't stick to his guns and write about the same shit he did in the late 80s, is because he actually grew up and starting writing real lyrics that Chris Barnes or Corpsegrinder couldn't even come close to writing one line of. At least it's not how it is with Metallica where they straight up started writing what sounds like joke albums full of joke songs though.

[@fededipi6688]

100% agree, fucking lyrics don't mean a thing. Do they make death metal actual "death metal"? Just because they don't talk about killing, torture, raping etc... doesn't mean anything. Everything Chuck wrote is pure gold, can't say the same about cannibal corpse and all the bands J-dawg mentioned. Their lyrics are nothing but shit, deep as a glass of water (with all the due respect to glasses of water) 😂😂🤣🤣

[@fededipi6688]

And yes, Metallica turned into a total joke from one album to another (of course from ...And Justice For All to the Black Album. The leap is INSANE).

[@notofthisgod32]

Chuck said in an interview that "Reality is far more brutal than any horror lyric". That was some of the realist shit I've ever heard

[@_PuppetMaster86]

@@fededipi6688Metallica's lyrics actually matured quite a bit with time. Load and Reload had some bumps in the road, but there was some very mature and developed lyrics. Black Album has some of the best Metallica lyrics ever written, including The Unforgiven, which is said to be one of their best written songs. They “got their groove back” with Death Magnetic and onwards in 2008, so I'd they're at a pretty good spot than history.

[@corystafford4958]

I can't knock Chuck for having creative hunger and musical progression. He'd likely be a prog lord if still around, casting a massive metal shade on Dream Theater.

[@MetalSalvation]

I agree, he likely would've continued his Control Denied or something similar and maybe do an occasional Death tour due to its popularity.

[@MetalSalvation]

@@sothis1448 Depends what "prog" you're talking about.

[@basedboomer1776]

​@@sothis1448Old Fates Warning is metal. Oldschool Queensryche too.

[@urmomma2688]

​@@sothis1448the topic is on prog metal, not prog rock which is obviously not metal

[@urmomma2688]

@@sothis1448 sure bud

[@TheReincarnatedDeath]

Death went into technicaL HEAVY METAL with CONTROL DENIED. Chuck started with metal by liking heavy metal like Maiden & Priest and gradually went back to it by playing it himself. There is no betrayal. Changing up their sound with each record has always been Death's trademark. End of story.

[@dinkins335]

As a Chuck Schuldiner fanboy I am here to cry about your opinion sir. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@Poser_Metal_Records]

Make sure you leave a nasty comment on a daily basis. Then insist that you're not butthurt over what the Dawg said.

[@paulhetrick1759]

@@Poser_Metal_Records Justin is butthurt about the Cannibore Core comments.

[@dinkins335]

@@Poser_Metal_Records that sounds like the perfect revenge plan. THANKS!

[@KaaiHawaiianDeathMetal]

Hey Dinkins, dry your eyes with a fancy woman’s sock

[@dinkins335]

@@KaaiHawaiianDeathMetal that does usually help

[@cizmar1972]

I agree about CC but to answer your question who have been around that long and has not sold out... Suffocation. I know they put out their demos, EPs after CC, but they really started as a band around the same time. Yeah Suffocation took a break, but they came back just as brutal as ever.

[@sider6657]

Well, Chuck Schuldiner co-created DM but he showed no interest in staying in the style later on. I believe he wanted to contribute to heavy metal in the broader sense. Why else would he change the direction so much, work with classical heavy metal musicians such as Andy LaRocque, start Control Denied, etc.? In some demos, you even hear him personally sing clean vocals. But, to the topic, why call it betrayal? He brought it to life and left it in the hands of tremendous death metallers who are bearing the torch to this very day. I think he did well to not stick to the guns since that, in his case, would have meant to stay in a style he was personally not interested in. That would certainly have reduced the quality of his music, too. Instead, he did brilliant albums, not DM albums, but I can't imagine a world without them. Amen

[@ianswift3521]

because he turned his back on the style and similar to patrick mameli (pestilence) and larry lalonde (the bassist of Primus and originally Possessed) disowned their work on death metal and publicly disdains all of the people who like it. in zoomer speak he "threw shade".

[@GamingManual]

Chuck was aggravated with people lumping in mid-era Death as death metal. It's why he shifted to Control Denied. He even told Roadrunner not to call Symbolic death metal, and they ignored his request lmao. I think ITP is his finest hour.

[@Siragray]

And also, this DB is too GD stooopid to know that all of his favorite DM bands would literally SMACK him for talking sh-----t about Chuck who they ALL rightfully recognize as one of the best that was and will ever be. Chuck will be remembered long after this DB is dust and that is FACT.

[@matthiasmajoris4029]

Cannibal corpse is a one trick pony... Just so happens their one trick is making top tier death metal. A death metal riff machine that is pretty much unparalleled.

[@JuanR20421]

Heeelll no 😂, I much rather listen to sound of perseverance than a boring ass album like haunted

[@JuanR20421]

@icankillbugsopeth and death ain’t dream theater levels of wankery Atleast, absolutely hate that band

[@i_want_my_shuggah]

​​@@JuanR20421lmao, that blud you answered too got his balls too cold coz of the shame he ended up deleting his commentary. 😂😂😂

[@RichardCranium.]

Say what you want about later Death but it is sure more respectable then SFU. At least the musicianship is good.

[@Fulci.LivesMLM]

First two SFU and 2012s Undead are good

[@DeathMetalShred]

Besides the 1st SFU album, SFU is complete utter shit.

[@lopolik]

Even the vocals are great, Chuck's best vocals are on The sound of Perseverance.

[@Riky_Jones]

All SFU is good. From Haunted to Nightmares of the Decomposed.

[@SKvldlf]

​@@lopolikthe vocals are the worst thing on that album.

[@nonserviam4813]

Asphyx s/t is almost infinitely better then Gallery of Suicide

[@christopherrobin361]

No. Gallery is underrated . . . BUT s/t, The Rack, and The Last One On Earth by Asphyx are must-haves. Love that sound.

[@andrewgabriel4408]

I don’t think Cannibal Corpse later on is awful but the last album I spin by them is my personal favorite being ‘Vile’. Their albums after weren’t bad nor anything I’d consider “generic” but there’s something missing from a lot of them and the character of the old stuff is lacking. Their last album was fine but much like the new Dying Fetus were it was like “if I never heard this again would I really be disappointed” and the answer to that question is “no”.

[@Lifer-b4c]

I love vile and Chris Barnes is a icon and so is George but Chris problem is his ego and how he has trashed Cc since he left He should be more humble

[@650pathologist]

Agree... Nothing after vile

[@650pathologist]

There was the song gallery is suicide that was pretty good though

[@andrewgabriel4408]

@@650pathologist I like some albums after that but you’re honestly telling me that those albums are better than something like ‘Considered Dead’ or ‘Mental Funeral’, you have to be out of your mind to think that.

[@paulhetrick1759]

Vile is lame as fuck, bought it when it was first released, wasn't too long before I got rid of it.

[@shidneyswatson4938]

Look how ragged out that chair is, must be too close to HIGH ESTROGEN????

[@HoltistheGOAT]

I guarantee the Dawgs estrogen is lower than any other incel commenting on here

[@derrickkowalewski9239]

Death is not death metal after Spiritual Healing, but still metal and respectable. Six Feet Under is a joke and their best record is okay at best(the first album). Nothing by Six Feet Under is essential and is nobody's favorite band. Nowwith Death , that's a different story and different eras of the band account for a different group of fans. But that's a rabid and dedicated fan base.

[@Ishitonyou666]

When I was got into death metal , I was never a fan of SFU, I know a lot of people tell me the first album is great but I don’t even bother to check it out

[@Ishitonyou666]

@@Cannibal_Holocaust it’s cool bro

[@NAT-turners-Revenge]

@@Cannibal_Holocaust That's what I've been telling people.... death's influence runs deep and their respect not just amongst metalheads. I know punk guys, rockabilly guys, and other non to casual metal listeners who like death.

[@dennisjordan4952]

Chris and Danny from autopsy were doing abscess right after autopsy broke up and put out over eight records and various splits and eps.eric from autopsy was doing funeral and playing in asunder so this talk of them leaving the scene is pretty dumb.autopsy worst album is better than any band you likes best album...you don't like autopsy you don't know real death metal.

[@velipyr]

I dont think chuck would care. He made sure every album was more progressive than the previous. Too bad so many metalheads cant appreciate albums thats just "not heavy enough" he was extremely talented

[@ianswift3521]

it's important for people to not leave their mind so open that their brains fall out.

[@katshades]

17:09 that was amazing!!!!!!

[@jedsteelwell2354]

Sorry but Human will always be my favorite album from death but i love the raw early albums as well.

[@seanyager3177]

I mean Spiritual Healing and Scream Bloody Gore have the exact same Death logo. Sound Of Perserverance is missing the Ghoul, the cross is is at half staff rather than inverted and it isn't burning. That's the only one without he ghoul it think. The later ones have the ghoul but the cross is at half staff and is not burning. Personally the orginal logo with the Ghoul and burning inverted cross is certainly my favorite variation too, but I wouldn't say the othr one is gay or not metal just because the cross is half staff and not burning. Unless your saying that because it's a simple of chuck pussying out and softening the image, in that case I agree.

[@abraxaslancelot]

Death's career is 1000 times better than a band like Deicide that doesn't make a good album since 2007.

[@fabril2673]

*1997

[@petershortland478]

Showed how good Chuck was, he wasnt limiting himself

[@emeraldgreensg]

I write this before I hear your argument, but you've hinted before that Death changed on Spiritual Healing. That is incorrect. The sound is a lot cleaner, but the riffs are in the same style as Leprosy, and Rick Rozz's squeals were replaced by James Murphy's nasally noodling. He did add many more sad sack harmonies later on, but the riffs were Chuck Schuldiner Death riffs. I don't like later Death much, but Chuck didn't sell out. He continued with the spirit of death metal, but he didn't put the same album out like some of the dumber guys on the scene who never evolved past a teenage, horror movies and beer mentality, for better or worse.

[@Ishitonyou666]

2:33 the thrash band that can’t take criticism and supports any current agenda. Cornballs

[@johnvon9268]

Hells is the best distro, I love the fact that I can find non 'PC' bands Like COMMAND and even bootlegs. TOTAL SUPPORT.

[@dinkins335]

Hell yeah! I grabbed one of those Carcass boots as well.

[@distributorovkvlt-points5481]

Who else thinks the quality of the channel would improve if Dawg never mentioned Evil Chuck and Death again???? Raise your hands devils🙋🏻‍♂ But Tom G. definitely needs to remain as a permanent fixture. Side-Note: Raise Your Hands✊🏻 is my all-time most favorite Bon Jovi anthem and it's legit way fuckin' heavier than Pantera!

[@vladtepes9614]

Bon Jovi is a guilty pleasure of mine. "Runaway" and the tunes they did for the movie "Young Guns II" are pretty sick.

[@distributorovkvlt-points5481]

@@vladtepes9614Homie, Young Guns 1 or 2 don't have shit on Spaceballs! Mark that.

[@distributorovkvlt-points5481]

@@JB-wh9ux I'd watch.

[@timgonzales2891]

I'm here for the death slander. Makes me laugh

[@distributorovkvlt-points5481]

@@timgonzales2891 _"Like_ _geez_ _what_ _did_ _Chucky_ _ever_ _do_ _to_ _you"_ 😢 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@djskootr13]

BBBBBAAAAAADDDAAAAASSSSS COVER lol fkn Dawg. You’re a solid guy. The cat cameo made me a subscriber and fan for life.

[@memedankery348]

An unpaaaaaaiid question for the devils. Spiked hairstyle, who wore it better. Bart Simpson or Spongeknob?

[@crushingalldeceivers]

I bought a Six Feet Under cd once at a liquidation place for a couple bucks, don't even think I made it past the first song before I ejected that crap and threw it in the reject bin.

[@crushingalldeceivers]

It was either called True Carnage or total carnage. Had a jar on the cover.@Derrick487

[@lenol0315]

@@Cannibal_Holocaust which hard drugs u on fam lmao

[@ianswift3521]

those things aren't for us. @@Cannibal_Holocaust

[@Raj80191]

Yo JDawg do you think Plankton has heard of Repulsion?

[@lopolik]

For sure, he listens to everything evil sounding.

[@JelloFluoride]

Bro! That's a sick collection! Just discovered your channel today. Refreshing to see a real fan instead of these douche try-hards I've been running into. Appreciate what you do. Edit: Also, "Death Squad" was the first Sacred Reich song I ever heard and afterwards I was hooked.

[@seanmcmillin3081]

Bruh jdawg is the douchiest tryhard of all time wym lol

[@TrevyTrev-andTheFunkyPets]

I''m a old geezer and still remember when Cannibal Corpse debut. Pretty amazing that they haven't changed their style and Still the kings of death metal. I wonder what Dawg's thoughts on Deicide are.

[@vicklagina]

hes said his thoughts on deicide a thousand times

[@Beckonor]

Cannibal Corpse is a hit and miss. Not a lot of stand-out songs. Only still considered kings because of their legacy of the shock-rock album covers from the Barnes era.

[@vicklagina]

@@Beckonor wrong , they are the kings because they are the biggest selling death metal band no matter if the people buying their albums like other death metal or not and plenty of other covers are just as sick as the first 3, dying fetus and several others that people think are the kings have no stand out songs after the first 2 albums

[@basedboomer1776]

​@@BeckonorNot a lot of standout songs? They have numerous albums filled with bangers bra!

[@basedboomer1776]

​@@vicklaginaDying Fetus have no standout songs after the 1st 3 albums? Destroy the Opposition, Stop at Nothing, and Reign Supreme have a ton of standout tracks!

[@kritikalmass1334]

17:28 when j dawg stubs his toe

[@pookiebearv2859]

Barnes was the best thing CC had corpsegrinder puts me to sleep with his vocals

[@TheTransylvanian]

Agreed Barnes era was great but some of the newer shit is good too

[@Intermentor]

Too bad Barnes fucked up after CC

[@TheTransylvanian]

@@Intermentor ya he turned to a homeboy

[@pookiebearv2859]

@@TheTransylvanian nah man the corpse grinder stuff is so generic

[@TheTransylvanian]

@@pookiebearv2859 evisceration plague is pretty good

[@evilmetalrobb9721]

Maybe Obituary and Deicide are in same camp as Cannibal Corspe on the 30 year mark. Morbid Angel didn't make the cut, LOL.

[@akatsiya]

Yeah man. TOO EXTREME brah brah

[@off6848]

No Asphyx is the answer to your question and you’re wrong they stayed heavy and while it has changed the Barnes to CG switch was arguably a bigger change in sound

[@naturalianoss]

Here we have another adult teenager who just refused to grow up.Get a life mate

[@aroundtheworld5555]

I'm glad Justin brought up that point about Cannibal Corpse. People do complain about how they've been regurgitating the same album for years. But then you have people who complain when a band changes their format, even just a little bit. So, what do you want? A prolific band who keeps their original sound their entire career? Or do you want them to change it up a bit here and there? There's hardly ever anyone in the middle. I've always noticed that. Metal as a whole is supposed to be colorful and different and come in all shapes and sizes. And at its very essence, there aren't supposed to be any rules. Yet there are so many gatekeepers/elitists out there, and the majority of people want it to be either black or white. Pick a lane. There are no rules. That's what makes it different from every other type of music, and having no rules is part of its original, rebellious nature in the first place. This is just my opinion, of course, but I'm not wrong.

[@jefflawson3574]

The complaint isn't over regurgitation. It's about regurgitating a boring template.

[@aroundtheworld5555]

@jefflawson3574 But my point is, if they "changed it up," they'd be viewed as sell outs. Not by everyone, obviously. But a decent amount of fans would see it as such. And I'm not denying that they have become a bit monotonous over the past decade. Especially the last two. They could have been a double LP. It was honestly just an observation. And I realize that you can't please everyone. It's just always so "one or the other" from what I've noticed lately.

[@Grim.Tyrant]

@@aroundtheworld5555I think most bands need solid ass material. Many bands try to keep a release schedule and I think it’s breeds mediocrity. I’m cool with bands tweaking sounds but it doesn’t mean everyone’s gonna like it, and that’s fine. If Immolation changed their sound for the worse tomorrow I wouldn’t really be interested, but I think they’ve written sick songs on every album so I’m cool with their iconic sound being the same.

[@distributorovkvlt-points5481]

Wordy, but trve. Your insight serves you well. Up the \m/

[@Humandisconnect]

Chris Barnes says things like he is the dm best vocalist but, he needs to get off his high horse

[@distributorovkvlt-points5481]

Super serious question here devils, if Sylvester Stallone were to make a sequel to the cinematic masterpiece that is OVER THE TOP💪🏻do you think Sly would cast J-Dawg in the role of his arch nemesis, the all-conquering wild-man of professional arm-wrestling OR would it be a minor non-speaking role? Such as just hiring the Dawg for some body-double work, such as some super close-up and seriously buff arm shots during the matches and training montages. Now THAT would be an epic movie and would break box office records everywhere!

[@humanbrisket7718]

I can see him playing a big role with sly haha them both walking down a alley leaving a trail of destruction and trashcans on fire lighting the way while the credits roll with some saxophone music

[@distributorovkvlt-points5481]

@@humanbrisket7718Sounds like a killer way to wrap of Over The Top II "Wrath of Dawg" bruh bruh 🤘🏻

[@sausagefestcity5078]

The inverted cross must have offended Evil Chuck. Had to get rid of that naughty thing. Probably born again?

[@sausagefestcity5078]

@icankillbugs no

[@sausagefestcity5078]

@icankillbugs lol...I do

[@Yalbou]

​@icankillbugstechnically he wasnt a j3w as his mum wasnt a j3w. Later he was a born again christian

[@MetalSalvation]

He didn't want Death to be perceived as being part of the Satanic trend in the 90's.

[@paulhetrick1759]

​@@YalbouHe was a half breed.

[@PropheciesForetold]

Chuck did not betray anything: he just wanted to play a more technical style.It's not that Death all of the sudden sounded like Nickelback. I mean, slayer sounded at the end also nothing compared lile the 1st 3 albums. But if ppl like bands that always do the same, you can always listen to Incantation, Mortician and Malevolent Creation...

[@nizz0matic307]

bands go one of 3 paths, they change styles at some point and keep putting good shit, they go gay and put out numetal and core shit, or they just put out the same damn album over and over. CC did the same album over and over forever and i'm sorry but i can't care anymore. death literally changed their style and still was super good for every style change, don't like it? fine, personal taste, but it's all 100% high quality. then the rest just eventually did groove metal or something and suck dick and ass.

[@MetalSalvation]

Death evolved but the basic elements remained pretty consistent. He still did his melodic/catchy guitar parts and tapping sounds, the riffs were still basically in Death mode. The vocals and lyrics changed more than anything else did.

[@juice-layer]

Yo Spongedawg, is the Hell's Headbangers warehouse in a pineapple under the sea? 🍍🏝️

[@Chillthrilltoday]

ROCK BOTTOM

[@Chickenbrain269]

All kidding aside, Chuck was homosexual wasn't he? He certainly was very effeminate and a lot of his bandmates were gay.

[@_PuppetMaster86]

There are rumors, but they're rather hidden. I think he had a girlfriend, so maybe he was bi, but dying from AIDS and everything we know about Chuck does raise a few questions. *Edit: Chuck died from brain tumor, not AIDS

[@SteveWilliams_psycho]

What does him being gay have to do with his gay albums in the 90s?

[@justinandsheba]

@@_PuppetMaster86 He had a brain tumor, not AIDS. But yes, there are definitely questions...

[@_PuppetMaster86]

@@justinandsheba Thank you for the correction. I remember there being speculation and circulation from different sources and forums that it was AIDS.

[@theflyingguillotine3788]

NO PROMISED LAND NO LOVE TOWARDS MAN

[@Ishitonyou666]

19:01 wonder if Justin’s really Bi

[@jak3y3]

This talk about DM bands that never changed and not one mention of Dying Fetus…

[@uriahturd9695]

I think I've figured out his favorite bad word.......

[@chrisfigueroa6464]

What’s your thoughts on Nocturnus - The Key album

[@Livingstonesmusic]

So is the dawg saying that everytime a dm gets more prog it’s a bad thing?

[@iKnowFast]

j-Dawg betrayed Death metal worse than Relapse did.

[@Poser_Metal_Records]

You still mad at the Dawg because of something he said brah brah?

[@Ishitonyou666]

I mean RELAPSE really went downhill

[@distributorovkvlt-points5481]

My, my, looky here everyone, somebodies got their panties all up in a knot! lol

[@Poser_Metal_Records]

@@Ishitonyou666 It's gotta be a tie between Relapse, Earache, and RoadRunner.

[@Ishitonyou666]

@@Poser_Metal_Records I agree with you , just that when I was getting into heavier stuff I was really buying lots albums fromRelapse records and by …I would say 2008 I’ve been noticing Relapse have been signing garbage bands and look what they have today…cringe.

[@supermolerrr2689]

I wouldn't compare this to Chris Barnes. It would have been sad had Chuck ended up in the elite asshole boat like how Robert Fripp did and/or lolcow but he didn't, even during his later years before his death. Chris Barnes I would more so compare with metal musicians like Varg Vikernes or Lars Ulrich, just artists who spend way too much time pulsating their own sublime thinking on themselves and others, sometimes to the point of dividing or alienating their entire fan base.

[@danielnworb]

Your love for metal brings a tear to my eye!

[@captainhilarity1252]

For bands sticking to their guns I'm gonna have to suggest Master

[@humanbrisket7718]

I pledge allegiance to the flag!!!

[@Brian-uu4nd]

Spiritual healing has original logo.

[@ianswift3521]

yeah he probably meant Human and thought Spiritual Healing cause that album was already borderline progressive/thrashy with social issue lyrics instead of death lyrics.

[@justinhorval8491]

100% aware and like that album just tripped over words as i often do

[@EncoreASMR]

Death metal or not, Chuck remains a true legend. Not a bad album in his discography and he was the reason why I even cared about any form of metal. Hate normies all you want, but I was listening to emo, bubblegum pop and rap when I was 15. That is how much I still rate Death to this day. Not every extreme band needs to be uber brutal and I know had Chuck stuck to Scream and Leprosy formula, he would have stagnated as a songwriter. Betrayed DM my arsehole mate.

[@jacobbrockman366]

Individual Thought Patterns was my first Death album. Been a fan ever since.

[@NAT-turners-Revenge]

😎🔥

[@MetalSalvation]

I never cared for that album that much, but it has its moments. Symbolic to me was like a better and heavier version of that record.

[@bernabefernandeztouceda7315]

ITP is an often overlooked masterpiece. My favorite

[@paulthecoachvakhlakov9270]

I wish J-Dawg interviewed Chris Barnes actually

[@timgonzales2891]

If death wasnt named death, they wouldnt have nearly the "impact" people say they have. They just tend to be one of the first death metal bands people find.

[@nihilist1280]

​@@sothis1448Exactly. These "hurr durr Death are too prog/accessible for death metal" nerds dont understand that every motherfucker that started playing death metal in the late 80's/early 90's did it because of Chuck.

[@Ishitonyou666]

For me I didn’t know about DEATH till the early 2000’s , Cannibal Corpse was my first introduction to death metal

[@VomitRottenn]

My first introduction to death metal was Cryptopsy.

[@NAT-turners-Revenge]

First bands people find? You must be under 30yrs old. I'm 40... started with thrash in 1994, got to DM/BM in 95'... it WAS NOT EASY to progress to death, deicide, dissection, emperor , sepultura, etc.

[@NAT-turners-Revenge]

@@sothis1448 Well, the thing you gotta understand about those bands.... they had their own *regional influence* .. suffocation came out of the NY DM scene and took many cues from their scene and innovated. Bolt thrower has been around a long time until their disbanding. And, at the gates was born out of the gothenburg scene. It's all relative. MAny european DM bands was getting cassettes and such from our scenes in the USA.... from slayer, suffocation, morbid angel etc ..

[@MetalRush666]

Death would be the DM equivalent to Enslaved

[@ibixlix1]

I can get behind that.

[@MetalSalvation]

I'd have to disagree...I can't listen to the later Enslaved stuff (what I heard of it, at least), but I can the later Death stuff. The change with Enslaved seems more severe to me.

[@matrixcmitech]

CC is the same box of Cheerios for 30 years, no evolution. Chuck S showed some evolution. Can't rip on Chuck for evolving metal beyond Cheerios. Death took us to Raisin Brand and beyond........o

[@distributorovkvlt-points5481]

Hmm, that certainly is an interesting hypothesis you've presented to the body....just how far beyond Raisin Brand do you estimate Chuck took Death Metal bruh bruh?????????

[@KaaiHawaiianDeathMetal]

I’m going to be that guy. It’s Raisin Bran. BRAN! Ok, I’m done canoe paddling for the next 45 seconds

[@christopherrobin361]

Skilled guitarists. Pat O'Brien. Erik Rutan. Corpsegrinder with a better range, phrasing, and passion than "Just Huff It" Barnes. Stronger writing. Rob Barrett's great riffing. Alex and his killer bass work and distinct tone. Expanding on their gory lyrics instead of the same Barnes thing and more creativity. Paul Mazurkiewicz's organic and powerful drumming that translates good live. Do you honestly know what you're talking about?

[@A2gamemode]

I got a Death "The sissy logo" hat and it's still sick brah brah!! But the original logo is better for sure. 🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@BaalDavaR999]

9:34 you should make that your permanent voice 🤣

[@erikpeterson6524]

What’s the best one and done? Mine Corpus Rottus intensified gore

[@kritikalmass1334]

So when autopsy is slow the dawg doesn’t like it. And when they release a CLASSIC ALBUM LIKE SHITFUN, THATS TRASH BRAH BRAH!!!!

[@derrickkowalewski9239]

Asphyx self titled album is not as good as The Rack but is still heavy as fuck. Now the next record God Cries, THAT album sucks. I cried when I heard that. However they did come back strong with On The Wings Of Inferno which is one of the best records in their catalog, almost as good as The Rack and The Last One On Earth.

[@Poser_Metal_Records]

Was about to say. I don't remember it being complete dogshit.

[@andrewgabriel4408]

I like pretty much everything I heard by Asphyx, including ‘God Cries’. Their S/T is one of their most underrated albums ever. I know I use that word a lot but I think it’s accurate for that album considering it’s ignored by pretty much the majority of their fans.

[@derrickkowalewski9239]

@@andrewgabriel4408 It's probably because Martin Van Drunen left the band, I still liked it upon its release. Most of my favorite death metal bands were disappointing me at the time. The self titled record was still really heavy and a little darker. Good enough for me man.

[@samstroberg8533]

Asphyx self titled is really good, definitely prefer it to Gallery of Suicide haha though I like that too

[@derrickkowalewski9239]

@@samstroberg8533 J Dawg 's not exactly qualified as a expert in the death/doom genre anyway as it's not a preference of him. Low attention span maybe, who knows? In extreme music I always gravitated towards the most extreme, brutal stuff. That goes for high and low tempos.

[@Hecatecrossways]

After Leprosy Chucky turned his back on Death Metal , and laid down the guitar tracks for Spiritual Healing in his cat shirt

[@andrewgabriel4408]

Spiritual Healing is such a watered down version of Leprosy. It bores me personally. Death to me will always be Scream and Leprosy. The demos are rad too.

[@mclovinpo]

Ur deaths number one fan it’s all u comment on

[@MetalSalvation]

@@andrewgabriel4408 Spiritual Healing was the first Death CD I owned, so I like it still. I do remember being extremely blown away a few months later when I heard Leprosy though, one of those moments you never forget.

[@basedboomer1776]

Spiritual Healing is a BAAANGER! So many killer riffs brah brah!

[@Tempestuous_Might]

Spiritual Healing is far superior to the random Leprosy

[@DavidQuessy]

That dumb bubbles impression fuckin perfect

[@SLASHFANG]

I want to party with the dawg

[@archangelofcoffee922]

"Spiritual Healing" still had the classic blood drip/reaper head logo. Change didn't start till "Human".

[@nonserviam4813]

The lyrics on spiritual healing showed the change had already begun

[@SquidwardBenton]

🐬🦋🐌🐙🧽🐚🧽🐚🧽🐚🧽

[@mclovinpo]

@@nonserviam4813the lyrics were a good change

[@nonserviam4813]

@@mclovinpo no, whilst seemingly more high minded, the introspective and humanist lyrics Chuck started writing are not in keeping with the spirit of death metal at all

[@mclovinpo]

@@nonserviam4813 the spirit of death metal ?? Man he’s still talking about death. death metal wasn’t only fantasy and zombies and gore

[@rflair]

Thumbs Up for the cat.

[@brothercartman]

Final album Chuck made with Death is easily their best... melodic, haunting, atmospheric... but that's just me.

[@ChrisBarnette-zk8iy]

Nile, Suffocation and Cattle Decapitattion.... Way better than Cannibal... That new Corpse album hardly has blast beats and is more thrash sounding to me. The mix as well is horrible..

[@metall1983]

Sadus is in the were back category and soon morbid saint also😂😅

[@paulhetrick1759]

What's wrong with that?

[@mpvanriper]

Phantom is a good band. They play retro-1st wave

[@erikpeterson6524]

Well Deceased are the kings, can’t fuck with any of it

[@Lifer-b4c]

Chris Barnes is still a icon J dawg

[@CorporalSteiner1945]

Last two CC albums are 10/10. Pat was awesome, but Erik from Hate Eternal is a good replacement.

[@christopherrobin361]

Agreed. Very good stuff, and live they are still kicking ass.

[@UmbralMoon-pw8ot]

HARD disagree, Pat is fucking insane... Rutan is very generic.

[@CorporalSteiner1945]

@@UmbralMoon-pw8ot I love Pat. The last two with Rutan are also very good. Not generic at all.

[@humanbrisket7718]

The dawg has style when taking that lp out of the sleeve

[@arbitrare]

Next Stop Slam Worldwide

[@darkrednix7764]

You lost me when you said. That after Spiritual Healing Death stopped being a Death Metal Band

[@MetalSalvation]

I consider the 90's Death to be Death Metal, just not 100% pure/true Death Metal like Leprosy was.