How Strong Would Black Cooler Be?

[@Chuck]

my name jeff Also, please be sure to check out my Broly VS Buu video! Something to note as well. The french translation actually says the form increases his power, not that it increases his power by ten times. I misremembered the scan when I was recording, so my bad.

[@locodesert2]

Hello jeff

[@juanhaines7295]

Hi jeff

[@Neo-925]

Nice vid jeff

[@reyanuro6398]

i would like to note that based on the color pages from the manga goku was NOT in mastered ultra instinct if i’m not mistaken my apologies if so🙏🙏

[@newbornviking9721]

Rick Taylor From splatter house vs Juliet starling From lollipop Chainsaw

[@LaughnCry27]

Broly tanking Goku's Kamehameha point blank was crazy... but Cooler flying through Goku's Kamehameha and punching him was so much cooler

[@samuelflipaclip7415]

Too be fair broly didn’t give a fuck and goku was super saiyan cooler swam through it when he was max power goku being kaioken or something

[@MyLife-og2kr]

Cause he's cooler duhh... 🤦‍♂️ LOL

[@invisiblebob69420]

buh dum tss

[@richardsmall8940]

Pretty sure it was trunks that blasted broly and he just walked through it and trunks just about soiled himself

[@samuelflipaclip7415]

@@richardsmall8940 it was goku I’m pretty sure but I could be wrong

[@ajarofpickles2826]

What I love about Coolers character is he is the only DB ever to realize his mistake and acknowledge that it was his fault. Even in death he is still way cooler than frieza

[@gamerthings2559]

What was his fault? Explain.

[@abdulmuhammad4861]

​@@gamerthings2559cooler could've killed goku when goku was sent away from the planet vegeta but he didn't shoot down the escape pod carrying goku

[@gamerthings2559]

@@abdulmuhammad4861 Cooler wasn’t even there when it happened. Frieza was though.

[@ajarofpickles2826]

@@gamerthings2559 every other DB villain blamed someone else for their lose. Cooler however took the L and realized it was his own fault. Making him more of a mature human being than any other villian

[@gamerthings2559]

@@ajarofpickles2826 Thank you for making me realize that. (Plus, sorry to be that dude, but Cooler’s not a human)

[@superelite5133]

He will be stronger because he’s cooler

[@daviddennie4086]

I think dragon Ball fans are becoming lazy like the dragon Ball super anime first golden frieza then Broly then cell max how about a new villian like a fallen angel or demon from the demon realm anything is better than a taking overrated villian like cooler dipping him in cookies and cream and calling him black cooler what's next platinum Majin buu give me a God damn break dragon Ball fans!

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

​@@daviddennie4086 are you asking logic from the most retarded fanbase to exist?

[@glitch6436]

​@David Dennie jiren? Zamasu basically a corrupted god

[@glitch6436]

​@@daviddennie4086 moro, gas, granolah, beerus was one at some point, so was hit

[@EclipseEuclid]

@@glitch6436 bro you spittin

[@sphere7158]

It'd be unique if Cooler first transform into platinum in that way he wouldn't be following his brother's footsteps by getting golden and obtaining his own special form and power. After Platinum Cooler, he should get a newer form that could rival or surpass Black Frieza if the eldest son of King Cold is meant to be better than Frieza in every way.

[@mavericktrinidad9242]

i do have the idea that cooler would possibly combine platinum form with his possible Black form or who knows he might combine both of these with his metal state

[@sphere7158]

@@mavericktrinidad9242 I would say let Cooler, while in his final form, should have red metallic skin, while the natural armor stays white. There, his name would be Scarlet Cooler, meaning he's ruthless, cold-blooded, power-hungry, and far more menacing than Black Frieza as if Cooler has transformed into a demon covered with the blood of his enemies.

[@badprofilepic882]

white cooler lol

[@sphere7158]

@@badprofilepic882 He'd just look more like Frieza but taller with spikes. Having him name Scarlet Cooler, which is just a fan name btw, sounds more intimidating than Black Fieza.

[@Lambent_Omega]

Onyx Cooler Frieza's black form is matte and is only black in sections, Cooler's would be shiny and cover most if not all of him like his Metal form.

[@ihadawerewolfneighbor0337]

I remember Freeza saying that he “made it gold” when referring to his golden form implying that he basically invented it when first transforming. On top of that, I like the idea somebody else came up with in the comments that Cooler would probably just come up with his own transformation instead of following the same path. And I think Freeza chose to make it gold to mimic super saiyan as a way of saying that he had his own version of what they had, but his was better. If Cooler does something similar, I could see him using a shade of red to mimic super saiyan god instead. But it could be a dark shade and he could call it “Crimson Cooler.”

[@Deathwings800]

How about diamond cooler?

[@tophatwearingdoodle]

"Crimson Cooler"? I like that! Have a like

[@gokumui1984]

Frieza & cooler got access to mods create what they see fit.

[@kingkilla777]

What about platinum cooler?

[@Synchr0n1zed]

Titanium Cooler

[@chriss.249]

Imo, if cooler were to become cannon, Id argue he should be incredibly strong. An old game called Shin budokai, has cooler enjoying fights, and even being honorable. Assuming he has even an iota of the potential other frost demons have, his enjoyment for battle would grow his power tremendously. I think his soldiers wouldnt be in the millions like the freiza force(he may be selective about who he chooses to recruit), but they would all be insanely strong as cooler would train them himself. I think hed be a guy thats very tactical, has worked for everything he has due to his pops favoring freiza and treating him poorly, very loyal to his men, and would appreciate those who can give him a challenge/serve him. He may also like edgy rock music and calling his brother a prick on spacebook.

[@saltystick_99]

That just makes me imagine the entire Frieza Force vs. Cooler's Armored Squadron, and honestly, the idea of Neizu, Dore, and Salza just shredding through hundreds of Frieza's goons sounds super sick.

[@MyLife-og2kr]

I like that story. Toriyama! Make it happen. Haha

[@thymecrafter]

@@MyLife-og2kr i don’t think that’s happening anytime soon

[@lukesewell295]

The back to back quality content is something we love to see👍. Great vid as always chuck

[@Chuck]

Thanks!

[@numberoneappgames]

The Universe is pretty big, I wouldn't be surprised if Cooler is just chilling since he's the cooler brother.

[@ddd_dababy]

Hopefully he will become canon in a movie like how broly got super broly movie so he became canon that would be so much cooler

[@enenrah4901]

out of all the movie villians cooler Brolly and Jenemba Deserve to be canonized in super

[@Chuck]

Faxx

[@johnturner7952]

@@Chuck Neo (The Matrix) Vs Kirito (Sword Art Online) Rules: Fight takes place in the world of SAO. Both combatants are at their full power. When a combatant loses, they wake up in the real world.

[@vegetalover9297]

Broly is canon

[@enenrah4901]

@@vegetalover9297 Nobody said he wasnt.

[@powerjolt7215]

Can we get some original villains instead of rewrites ffs

[@FoxsDumbSeriesMaker]

I would love for Cooler to be made canon, and it would make so much sense for him to be Frieza's sparring partner, both brothers having obtained the Black form. Better yet, Cooler could even learn the Black form first. If there's any opportunity for Super to bring him into the main timeline, this is it. Toei already had a really good shot using him after the success of the Broly movie, but they didn't capitalise on other old movie characters becoming canon, and now that's not really talked about anymore after the hype died down. Toei, please! Use this opportunity to bring Cooler back. It may be his last chance! :o

[@beardedcat9744]

They need to make Cooler/Janemba/Bojack canon. Such cool villains. How I can see these villains becoming canon: Bojack, Escapes intergalactic prison during the events of the Moro arc. Cooler: With Frieza being fully revived after T.O.P he gets into contact with his brother Cooler and offers him a chance to get as strong as him thus introducing Cooler into the series but giving him only golden form and having Frieza unlock his Black form from training with his brother for 10 years. Janemba: over the time the god ki has been increased in use over the past few years since the awakening of Beerus has made the universe unbalanced and thus some of the god ki has escaped into the underworld and has awoken the Demon Supreme kais. The Ki from Beerus, Goku, Vegeta and Goku Black. Allowing them to start collecting the ki overtime to make a demonic being with demonic ki and godly ki.

[@Sruler]

I was thinking cooler could be a inhabitant of another freiza race from the different universes and with freizas new found power he's able to freely travel and recruit him

[@Epicgamer-yi2wf]

No BoJack isn't as cool as other movie villains

[@Discdore]

He is back, stronger than ever. great to see the content again chuck.

[@Chuck]

Thanks for watching!

[@austinhammond3545]

Imagine how absolutely busted Xeno Cooler would be if he had access to the Black form. He's crazy already with the Golden form

[@superexclusive452]

I feel like the arc after End of Z will be a Black Frieza Universe 7 war arc. It did say in the chapter right before SuperHero events started that Goku, Vegeta, and Broly are preparing to fight Frieza. Man I can’t wait. A war arc in Dragon Ball wow

[@Chuck]

That'd be cool!

[@Hypersteel-4340]

​​​​@@Chuck Chapter 168 Saitama vs Goku SSJ3 Buu Saga Who is winning the fight in your opinion?

[@Chuck]

Saitama

[@daviddennie4086]

Why not bring back perfect cell call him diamond cell have him fight beast gohan and then bring back black frieza they join forces and fuses into black diamond celza then Broly shows up and fuses with Gohan to become legendary beast wars brohan and they fight as dumb as that sounds dragon Ball fans would love it more than cooler coming back and fusing with frieza to fight gogeta!

[@docr08]

@@Hypersteel-4340 goku easily

[@TheonlyCamera-Man]

Imagine if he was the one that showed up at the end of the grenolah arc

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

Hype = infinity

[@callumcrane241]

Cooler's always been my favorite character in Dragon Ball. But if he whore to get the Black form, I think Meta Cooler would be officially obsolete. And never seen again^^

[@keanumouneimne8377]

Just my opinion. If cooler become canon i believe he will be a better destroyer than frieza can be. Because he is more reasonable than frieza.

[@deltalord6969]

Considering the stuff with how dbs scaling has multiple statements that place the characters far higher in dimensionality doesnt that mean the heroes characters basically build off that and are just waaaay more busted now? like the old consensus was that heroes was 5-7D but dbs characters now have stuff that point to them being 5d so its just going up from there

[@Chuck]

Yessir!

[@oler777]

Coolers final form and robot form was way better looking than frezzers he was literally cooler

[@Grognack]

Man, Chuck has been killing it! Keep it up!

[@Chuck]

Thank u!

[@theoriginaldeity]

Imagine if beerus trained in the time chamber hard asf

[@galaxygamer1469]

I hope cooler become cannon. You know how well that type of would sell. It would probably be just as good as the broly movie.

[@Letsbesalty]

You really should make a video on why cell with only a few years of training would stomp every single character currently. He has all the saiyans from earth dna, freizas, and Android 17 potentials. All that combined should boost his power beyond reason if he returned

[@daviddennie4086]

Exactly if super perfect cell trained like frieza did he would be at least be ultra instinct gogeta level imagine his new form would be called alpha cell his finishing move the Omega Kamehameha! That's perfection!

[@_Blank_-9261]

Freeza is pretty strong, but his brother will always be cooler.

[@locodesert2]

I’m curious if a mui ultra ego vegito would handle black cooler or a fusion of goku and gohan making a beast ultra instinct combo would even work against black cooler.

[@cantthinkofname450]

How strong would Orange Lord Slug be?

[@Chuck]

Damn, that'd be a good one!

[@waterh2o299]

Yes👀👏👏👏👏

[@harper8470]

cool concept

[@antoinepolnareff8970]

Not much. Lord Slug is way weaker than 100 times Kaioken base Goku(Pre Zenkai)+Piccolo(prefused with Nail) he would be around times 10 Kaioken Goku from his fight with Freezer even with his Giant form multiplying his power level for some reason and having another form

[@grease08]

@@antoinepolnareff8970 LOOOL EDIT UR COMMENT

[@spimbles]

the GBA game Legacy of Goku 2 had a super cool secret fight with Cooler that they merged with the main story, alongside a seperate Broly fight in the main story. i think itd be dope if the actual series would continue stuff like that, now that we have Broly as a canon character. would be so insanely hype to see characters like Cooler and Janemba in DBS

[@goatrex9195]

Could you do a video on how powerful is Loki from Marvel comics? This guy is pretty underestimated

[@dripzuma8159]

So much research and books went into this. This is insane

[@uzookafor8721]

Wow, really nice video, its been a while chuck, keep up the good work

[@Chuck]

Thank you!

[@GrievousBone]

An easy way to make Cooler the strongest in the universe is to grant Frieza infinite strength. Coolers complex will allow him to surpass Frieza.

[@OldFolkz]

2 in a week?? Ok chuck is putting in work

[@extremelegendsupreme4596]

Next vid should definitely be how strong would ssj4 z broly be

[@Sploggerr]

I can't be the only one who thinks final form cooler is 'cooler' than metal cooler. Thats alot of coolers

[@savage_Sloth90]

Two chuck videos in one week, hell yeah!

[@thegameplayer1693]

I swear chuck is so proud of meta coolers speed feat considering the amount of times he has touched on it by now😂.

[@Chuck]

It's hot :)

[@MadGodSanti]

2 vids in one week from ole chuck life’s looking pretty good now 😍

[@justocho9090]

They need to do a crossover event with Red Ribbon Army and The Geta Star joining forces

[@daviddennie4086]

Metal perfect cell now that would be awesome imagine a 1000 metal cells that are stronger than cell max then we could get Goku Vegeta Broly gohan and piccolo fighting side to side imagine them all transforming in animation that's a great idea for a movie better than super hero in my opinion!

[@Crimson0047]

Cooler shits on frieza so badly his name has to call it out god damn

[@Odinfang]

Would honestly be more terrified if Gero got his hands on the big gete star. His mind with that much machinery would make a furk ton of androids, could arguably be a new component for cell, combining biology and technology in a perfect Union of truly all consuming power. Gero would have his androids cranked out with infinity engines and fabricated on a massive scale after wandering around and consuming particular planets, possibly even asteroids with rare materials. Big Gete Cell would arguably have all the parts he’d need to be perfect already inside him without 17 and 18, with the big gete star’s fabrication potential working through his biology to boost his restoration capabilities and adaptive potential, possibly through nanotechnology Gero perfects when using the big gete star.

[@SledgedaGawd]

Any time Chuck drops u know it's lit

[@dragonsuper6195]

Cooler is mentioned so many times in many different contexts, how much Cooler can the dude get, Platinum Cooler, Golden Cooler, Black Cooler. What's next Diamond Cooler, Quartz Cooler, Quantum Cooler, Super Cooler

[@ernie9538]

Bronze Cooler

[@FrenzyFanboy]

Why stop at Black Cooler? What about Meta BLACK Cooler (like in SDBH)

[@guilhermecunha2969]

DBZ power levels never made sense Honestly if the author decided that yamcha could match beerus through a super special pill or meditation or a 1 week training Nobody would question it

[@danieldansoowusu4869]

great video bro

[@Chuck]

Thanks for the visit

[@doolallyproductions7234]

Uh oh 2 videos in quick session here comes that 2 to 5 months break

[@Chuck]

Dang

[@chriss.249]

2:59 Complete with edgy rock music lol Soap you!🎵 Soap me! Soap! Soap! Soap!🎵

[@joshkitto3943]

I don't really think Vegeta vs Dedoria is a great example of the 1.1 x stronger theory, as to me it always seemed that Dedoria wasn't a warrior, he was just powerful, whereas Vegeta is a trained warrior with martial skills and lots of powerful techniques. I think the mindset and move set Vegeta has is what made him destroy Dedoria as easily as he did, not necessarily the 1.1 x power level.

[@ryanacevedo6281]

I call this transformation...COOLER COOLER!

[@stillbrian9448]

Cooler last form with the mask is cooler than any form of Frieza

[@davepierre7492]

2 uploads this week? you spoiling us Chuck

[@evansrodriguez7856]

None can be his equal! He's the strongest in the universe! References aside, it would be really interesting if Cooler were to achieve enough power to surpass Beerus. Of course, first he would have to be cannon but still, I do believe and wish for Cooler to obtain this much power. I mean, according to your data, it is theoretically possible so fingers crossed and hoping that he becomes cannon and this question is solved

[@MrMoistIITheRevengeOfTheMoist]

I want cooler cannon and he should be overpowered asf

[@Right_Bumper]

I think I’ve learned that Cooler sports these colours way better than Frieza

[@Darbzila]

Great vid Chuck!

[@Chuck]

Thanks!

[@knightoflight8249]

Well if the Black Transformation is anything like the Golden Transformation and the Frost Demon can choose what color they want for their transformation. Then In respect to the red Meta Cooler design in video games I think Cooler’s version of the Black Transformation should be Crimson. Crimson Cooler has a nice ring to it.

[@weskintime4177]

Guess who’s back, back again. Chuck is back, tell a friend.

[@Shok731]

Nobody: ... Absolutely nobody: ... This guy: "BIG GAY DAY STAR"

[@simodapro]

Even if he wouldn't be stronger he would be cooler

[@frankasovski2246]

He was my first favourite villan, until i met Goku Black

[@spleensplonsin]

man, I wish they would make cooler come back in a future series. or he could have his own. it could star freiza and cooler when they where younger. cooler is my favorite character and hes so underrated dude :(

[@rodthedigger2902]

Great video!

[@Chuck]

Thank you!

[@lakithchandra8901]

Awesome video chuck ❤❤

[@grasshopper-ln9us]

Black Cooler with the sacred watermelon Kool aid of the gods would be untouchable

[@brolyblack9769]

All I can say is this was entertaining to watch.

[@Chuck]

Thanks for watching!

[@witchymaoki5165]

0:18 BIG GREEN DED?

[@duphasdan]

It makes sense that Cooler, being better than his brother, would have a form greater than any his brother can have. Cooler is such an awesome character that it is just a shame that he is not used more often. It's always the usual ones that gets to show up. Especially the overhyped brother.

[@Numbers2133]

I love Black Refrigerators.

[@abstraction6212]

imagine a Black Cooler Black Frieza Fusion 💀

[@lobo2367]

You know the video is spitting truth when it refers to Mexican DBZ guides from the 90's!

[@96montecarlo1]

Oreo Cooler would be an absolute menace

[@chunnisama6835]

Cool vid Clyde

[@spiko2723]

He could say it

[@Juanpvcool]

Thank you for using high quality footage from the movie, usually on yt they use dragon box levels of quality for videos, and it looks so ass.

[@Mr.Popo1077]

Once again a banger .

[@gabrield.alencar4733]

WARNING: EXTREME FLASHES AT 3:07 to 3:17

[@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed]

In terms of dimensionality, where would you place Black Frieza and Black Cooler? Would they be 5D?

[@Chuck]

Yee

[@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed]

@@Chuck Thank you for replying. My follow-up question to you would be are they considered 5D on the high end and would they be able to transition beyond the 5D realms of dimensionality?

[@antoinepolnareff8970]

​@@Chuck In reality the universe 7 is 5D, God Goku is. From canon novelization of Broly Movie Gogeta Blue and Fullpower Broly transcend all physics laws

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

​@@antoinepolnareff8970 how did that even happen bruh

[@Strahinja_Djordjevic]

Like at this point they better come out and say that beerus is getting stronger as times goes on becaues it's biggest bullshit how he is not surpassed yet... I mean fuck he said he was using 60% power vs God Goku, Shin said Vegito blue is on the same level as him, Whis said that there is a moral that his god cannot defeat and that the same god is stronger than Beerus... WTF much do they have to do to fucking surpass Beerus...

[@Strahinja_Djordjevic]

Goku said Broly is stronger than Beerus.

[@blueflashofmist]

I wanted to see cooler ruturne and get revange insted of black frieza and also kill frieza it wold be one of best moments

[@JakeRider-wc6ke]

I'm glade you back and I also can't wait till DB come back.

[@jordanasumani]

"it cooler looking brother" indeed🙂

[@crismon0726]

imagine this Black Metal Cooler

[@Chuck]

That'd be super OP!

[@lazyliongames6660]

Cooler’s better than every single villain simply because he is cooler

[@ltrain7715]

YOOOOOOO CHUCK YOU MADE A VID

[@DarkShadeAnimations1]

More Godzilla scaling please 🙏🏾

[@Chuck]

Gotchu!

[@101mrcrazyman]

that would be interesting.

[@Leviathan1000]

Cooler is my favorite character in dragon ball. looks like the bloody predator and the potential he has would make him more dangerous then his little brother. Black cooler would stomp black Frieza.

[@dante36807]

He'd certainly be cooler than everyone else

[@giganotosaurus845]

Ok if you're not the coolest powerscaler, idk who is. Awesome video,but that should go without a say.

[@Chuck]

Clyde is pretty based idk

[@Spinosaur]

Frieza race called Acrosian. And scaling in dbsh is very weird, like how goku in mui can be stronger than vegito ssjbkk, They should change strongest character of prison planet arc to Metal Golden Cooler, Xeno Vegito SSJ4, SSJ3 Cumber.

[@errorexe319]

it was 2 different coolers ) one from metal cooler core because that eye, another just a metal cooler. )

[@rsingh2346]

Thankyou for the video. Can you make a video comparing beast gohan, cell max and orange piccolo to frieza black?

[@dwightnorton3398]

Nice video; I think cooler will beat beerus

[@7heKl0wnG0D]

Platinum then diamond 🥶

[@SomewherePastNever]

"Wow, the big ghetto star ain't no one's fool."

[@Its_me_Stolas]

Boiler would rival grand Zeno in power

[@alicethedragonprincess447]

We should see this version of cooler atleat in heros

[@deeeplygoated4261]

Broly did knockout Goku he had to be revived by a senzu bean from Piccollo and 😂 so was Gohan.

[@siphezulu5119]

Took you long enough Chuck You've scaling DB verse to only 4D+, you're finally ready to give it at least 5D

[@Chuck]

I've had them at 5D for a while wym

[@siphezulu5119]

@@Chuck yeah I just remembered your Cell Max, my bad

[@My_Master_Waves]

First half of this video goes out the window when you know the context of the movie and context of the proof he presents in the video. I'll start with the 470 mil scan - this scan was released to promote budokai 3 and is not related to the movie, it also contradicts daizenshuu 6 and 7 statements, as well as does not line up with other power levels from the same scan where Gogetas power level would be lower than SSJ3 Gokus power level. So now for context of the first movie - Cooler movie came out on July 20, 1991 when Goku was still fighting Frieza in the anime who powered up to 100% just a week prior and even in the manga Goku hasn't returned from yardrat yet I mean the chapter where Goku came to earth came out like 4 day before movie got released. The movie takes place around may of 763 of db timeline which is less than half a year after the fight with Frieza which happened in december of 762. Trunks is supposed to show up in august of 764, so the movie takes place more than a year before Trunks arrives. That is why both Goku and Cooler don't know instant transmission in the first Cooler movie and why Goku can't easily go SSJ, because movie creators didn't know Goku can easily go SSJ after his return as that hasn't happened even in the manga yet, by movie creators logic Goku in the movie is just Namek saga Goku who returned to earth right after defeating Frieza since they had no idea at the time how things will unfold and how exactly he'll return. That is also why Cooler comes to avenge Frieza and does not mention avenging his father because that hasn't happened yet, and the reason this version of Goku can keep up with Cooler is because Cooler is weaker than Frieza and is only stronger than Frieza after he transforms into his final form which is stated in daizenshuu 6 and 7 which perfectly lines up with statement from the movie where Goku says that Cooler is stronger than Frieza only after Cooler transforms into his final form. And Chuck taking "I see how he may have beaten my brother" and saying base Goku>SSJ on namek is taking things wayyy out of context Now with this information it's very clear it's not Goku being super strong, it's Goku right after namek fighting someone who is not even stronger than Frieza until after the transformation. I'll give context for the second movie in other comment, otherwise it's too much to read.

[@My_Master_Waves]

Second cooler movie came out in march 7 of 1992, anime at that point was at Vegeta transforming into SSJ to fight android 19(March 4 of 1992) while in the manga Goku was only about to wake up after his hearth virus. So essentially this movie placement can be headcanoned into the time after Goku woke up but before either him or vegeta went into the time chamber as time chamber hasn't even been revealed even in the manga yet. So this movie Goku and Vegeta are the same Goku and Vegeta from begining of android saga where they are stronger than 19 but much weaker than 18 and 17. And these Goku and Vegeta defeated meta Cooler. Now for feats. Both of them fighting within instant transmission is not a feat of speed just like them fighting in room of spirit and time is not a feat of speed, if it's a dimension with a different time flow then it's just that, for anyone who has seen the movie it's very clear there's no infinite speed feats as this thing is only happening when Cooler and Goku are using instant transmission, but when they are not we see Vegeta landing hits on Cooler which wouldn't be possible if Cooler indeed had infinite speed. If you want to make an argument that Vegeta has immeasurable speed as well then I have to tell you that if that was the case Vegeta would be able to keep up with both of them even when they are using instant transmission but he wasn't. As for Chucks usage of "movies happening in different dimensions" this is so disingenuous for the sake of higher scaling, the question was essentially if movies are canon or not and Akira Toriyama said that they are not a part of his dragon ball and perceives them as stories in different dimensions. This has nothing to do with how things will be scaled it's just about them being canon and yeah movies don't make sense but they are based on something but Chuck takes that unrelated statement to misrepresent movie characters, even tho I agree that some indeen operate on a scale that doesn't make sense, most them still do if you understand context of the movie. Movie creators are literally basing characters in movies on whatever is happening right now in the anime/manga and they reference those events and state who is stronger than who by direct comparison or do you guys think they are sitting there and thinking "I'll create my own version of Goku with blackjack and hookers"?