Why Omni-Man VS Superman Isn't Fair

[@Chuck]

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[@Reverse-Goku]

Can you do this cool request: It's Thomas “Tom" Taylor (The Unwritten) vs. SCP-3143/Murphy Law(den) (SCP Foundation) The battle of the narrative manipulators✍️✍️

[@alfa1659]

Hey thx for doing superman video been waiting for this for long time

[@jwoncollier4412]

I agree chuck remember some people don't do their research and just assume

[@Danthelegend288]

@OmoshiSage debunk this guy bro please 🙏

[@anthonybernard8819]

Have you thought about powerscaling the SCP canons or MTFs?

[@catvoncrimson666]

One of the key things is that Superman is no stranger to doppelgängers.

[@basimali619]

And he is also no stranger to people who have lived, fought and trained as a warrior for more than a thousand years ( canonically defeating marvel’s Thor and I think darkseid?).

[@catvoncrimson666]

@@basimali619 right.

[@Gwendolynpoole616]

"Me am Biazzaro"

[@Klongu_Da_Bongu]

Bad writers in the 60's be like: "Hmm, how do I make a Superman story? Hmm... What if we take Superman... And... Make him an evil twin!"

[@catvoncrimson666]

@@Klongu_Da_Bongu yeah, I know this isn’t in the 60’s but wasn’t there one evil super man that Superman fought and they punched each other so hard that it switched universes?

[@cooldustin82]

People who don’t like Superman complain that he’s too overpowered. Claiming a dupe could beat him is then hypocritical.

[@Geralddd966]

On God..they hate him and want their favs to beat him lol

[@nadroji6549]

It's one of the reasons I don't like Superman. His OPness loses its fun when he's just as OP as higher tiers & is in the main story unlike those that are used sparingly. That said, I won't let my bias change the outcome where Superman would win, like against Goku.

[@rickydiscord7671]

me I just don't like an idea that every remake or a story that's not cannon. keep giving a character even more power with every next story or remake. like pick a power scale and stick with it. like how people with "what if goku" fan stories they would give him mixer of powers or hacks as in "born with god ki". but on top of that keep repeating the same damn events from cannon story. no real creativity as in add a new character or add other universes that can rival others or just give him an actual new form. than you also have superman every new story or remake he just keeps getting more and more power and a few of him are just broken. as if they show how powerful animal, cartoon and game characters are getting. so they give superman even more power to make sure no other character can beat him. stuff like this makes me want to stop looking them up. I don't dislike the characters. I dislike people that keep giving them more power to the point no other character can match up anymore. ruins the fun of vs fights

[@Geralddd966]

He is op ...just deal with it

[@nadroji6549]

@@rickydiscord7671 Aren't those What If Goku stories about the main timeline, but w/ different elements? I feel like that's the main point to see how different the story would be W/ what canon elements are in there. If they wanted to make an AU w/ new forms/characters/powers then it would be more of an AU than a 'proper' what-if. I do get what you're saying & want something more original, but you might want to look for more things leaning into the AU angle & not the what-if angle.

[@thanos1335]

You got a guy who can hold mini blackholes in his hand and punch through reality and can literally live in the core of the Sun like its nothing while also making him more powerful vs a guy who was going to end himself by flying into a blackhole and needs help destroying a planet and dies if he flies into the Sun for extended periods of time. Take a wild guess who wins.

[@NC_State]

He didn’t need help destroying a planet Their goal was to get children and have them join him in concurring the universe but he realized that he loved his kid (which he was raised not to do) and couldn’t kill him when he didn’t follow along so he went to kill himself because he both failed what he was raised and taught to do his whole life and he failed his family

[@thanos1335]

@@NC_State I know but the whole point is that something Superman can do from time to time, is the very same thing that can legit kill Viltrumites

[@fooliecoolie5284]

I distinctly remember a viltramite that was stronger than omni man disintegrating in the core of a sun, while we are well aware that superman would just take a nap.

[@eldrideinherjar6711]

Ha, he’s done that in several universes already

[@Avenus112]

Not even the core, just its corona. They fight in the corona and on the surface and it almost kills both. Superman's durability is basically infinite.

[@gloriouslysarcastic8000]

THIS

[@thewonderfullymadejaraid7015]

Depends on the Superman though. Allstar Superman got lethal radiation cancer from too much exposure to the sun.

[@donmac7780]

Take a nap? Why, it would be a revitalizing spa day! He would come out better than ever.

[@rennenb]

Vilturmites weren’t able to tank the explosion of a planet, Chuck in 1 minutes showed Superman tanking a supernova and black hole it’s not even close

[@LucasRodriguez-xq1yo]

Now im not saying superman loses, because he does win. But nolan did resist a blackhole despite the fact he was trying to commit suicide

[@rennenb]

@@LucasRodriguez-xq1yo yeah but wasn’t he not near the event horizon just in the secretion disk? I’m asking

[@Meepie_Playz]

@@LucasRodriguez-xq1yo And Superman held a black hole in his hand

[@bon-a-petite9224]

@@LucasRodriguez-xq1yoSuperman held a black hole in the palm of his hands

[@kazikhalid6197]

thragg ,who is the strongest viltrumite couldn't survive the surface of the sun . Any version of superman does it like a regular sunbath.

[@calvinginn1637]

Superman vs. Omniman would be the same as Omniman vs. Homelander Just in this situation, Omniman is poor little Homelander.

[@crimsonhunter7598]

yes true

[@grizzlymelon8376]

An infant homelander at that

[@Kriplingpowr]

Nah it would be even worse

[@Crea_TV]

Superman can breath in space, omni man can't, superman can heal like deadpool so long as the sun exists, omni bleeds too much he'll need to sleep to heal. Superman has sneezed a universe out of existence, omni man can't even withstand a black hole.

[@SageSea1]

It would be even worse imo.

[@NighScaling]

Toriyama at any point can come out say "Goku hates his family" that won't make it true because the material shows the opposite. The material always takes precedence

[@kingtiger5040]

Tbf,most people unironically think that Goku hates his family just cause of TFS

[@onemuststand7353]

That's a weird comparison. Toriyama created and wrote Goku and his family. Kirkman has nothing to do with Superman whatsoever.

[@regulush0743]

No what you are describing is having your own headcanon. The story ain't on the public domain so until then whatever the author says goes its their story not yours. You only have the power to stop watching

[@sosa8549]

Not anymore

[@regulush0743]

@@sosa8549 theres toyotaro

[@AceTheBatHound99]

Robert Kirkman clearly hasn't heard the term, "Death of The Author"... It doesn't matter what he thinks, if invincible or Omniman could beat Superman the proof would be in the story itself

[@docomega7862]

The only case I woumd argue against death of the author is if they were talking about 2 characters they created. Gor example if kirkman said end of invincible mark could take on all the other vimtrumites combined, I'll take his word. But he isn't the author of superman, so as far as superman is concerned, his takes are as valid as any random dude's take. If he really wanted omni man to be stronger than superman then he should've written it into the story

[@raDIO6931]

Kirkman's statements now are one of the BEST examples of death of the author and I'm actually pretty glad.

[@AceTheBatHound99]

@@docomega7862 Agreed

[@AceTheBatHound99]

@@raDIO6931 Agreed

[@OK-yy6qz]

​@@docomega7862 even then it's debatable. Because the point of death of the Author is to let the Story you wrote speak for itself. The best example i can think of is J.K Rowling pre trans controversy. Where she would randomly say something like "Hermione is black" and people would call BS because why didn't you specify that in the Story instead of a decade later

[@Nightlizard1564]

I like how the internet can universally agree that Omni man can’t beat Superman in a fight imao. Kinda reminds me how the internet can agree that sephiroth can’t Beat the Mario bros lol

[@mattmetawolf8634]

Trust and believe me there are not that many people who believe that there is this one guy out there who’s like an invincible fan boy who thinks that Viltrumites can be just as tough if not tougher than kryptonian‘s

[@thanosrelive101]

Fr?

[@julesampo1607]

sry idk who this ' sephiroth ' is. Could u pls explain?

[@Khalfrank]

Why don't you just say you want Omni-man to win against Superman? The internet can universally agree about Superman destroying Omni-Crap because they have something called COMMON SENSE.

[@mattmetawolf8634]

@@julesampo1607 he’s a character from Final Fantasy

[@nickeel8401]

If every single endgame Viltrumite, Atom Eve, Allen and Amber jumped Superman, they might be able to ruffle his hair

[@sarexui634]

You coulda broadened that to "if the entire invincible universe jumped superman at the same time they'd all die before anyone could do anything"

[@geekymetalhead5112]

They'd lose the fight even worse if the entire squad killed Lois and Batman before the fight

[@smilingearth5181]

They MIGHT be enough of a threat to get his attention.

[@Scarrs9064]

Atom eve could do it if she is a god an has can make food form nothing

[@emanueldargan]

@@Scarrs9064wake up to reality goofy she ain't doing shit

[@Awakened_Mucacha]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I've never seen Omni-man do anything Superman couldn't just do better.

[@cheesncrocos]

the broly culo meme

[@billyboleson2830]

The amount of people that think viltrumites are on that kryptonian level is absurd

[@thanos1335]

That super powerful warrior alien race who melts if they are a tad bit too close to the Sun are on the exact same level as another super powerful alien race that not only gets their powers from the Sun but can also live in it indefinitely. Viltrumites are toooooootally on Kryptonians level, Change my MiNd.

[@Humble421]

​@@thanos1335 no the hell there not who.told you that Kryptonian gets strong as long there are under a sun while viltumites doesn't

[@thanos1335]

@@Humble421 I pray to God you're being sarcastic cuz I know for a fact that you did not comment this without reading ANY Superman or Invincible comic book EVER. Everybody and their great ancestors know that All Kryptonians get their powers from the Sun and the longer they're exposed to it, the more powerful they get. Ever heard of Superman Prime 1million? Superman out-lived all his friends, family and loved ones and protected the Earth until everything was fine and felt he had no purpose anymore and flew around the whole universe to try n find people to help. He didn't find anything so he flew all the way back to Earth (which was still fine) and was very tired so he flew into the Core of the Sun and took a nap for 15,000 years and then woke up a GOD. He unlocked the ability to give other people super powers and flew back to Earth and essentially turned normal people into the new version of the Justice League and left to do some interdimensional traveling. In the Invincible comics, Invincible fought Thragg for the survival of others and knew all Viltrumites are weakened by super intense heat so he fought against Thragg on the Surface of the Sun for a long time and over time they both started to burn themselves alive but Mark just barely killed Thragg and nearly died too but got saved and recovered in a few months. Viltrumites are born mad naturally strong and powerful with a bunch of abilities but that's it. Kryptonians are born powerful too but need the Sun to unlock all their powers and once they do, they're pretty much unstoppable and the longer they are under/near the Sun, the more powerful they become. That's why whenever Superman gets really hurt in a fight, he flies to the Sun for a few seconds to heal.

[@Humble421]

@@thanos1335 trust I'm not I pray to God you is because we all know omni man can't do shit to Superman and by that name tells you don't know shit was superman is actually capable read the comics then come back

[@thanos1335]

@@Humble421 I literally just explained that Kryptonians are more powerful than Viltrumites and how Kryptonians biggest buff that gives them their powers, is one of Viltrumites biggest weaknesses. Kryptonians are born with super OP abilities that get unlocked under a yellow Sun and get more powerful the longer they're exposed to a yellow Sun. Viltrumites only have a few abilities and are very powerful but that's it. Viltrumites cant compete with Kryptonians and people keep trying to Scale Omni-Man to the same level as Superman when we all know that's impossible. Superman 1 shots the Invincible verse.

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

Superman is just the living definition of "I can't lose." So Omni Man never stood a chance.

[@burgerking8475]

Except Superman loses quite a bit. Doomsday, Mr. Infinity, The Spectre, Darkseid, and Mongul have all defeated him at some point.

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

@@burgerking8475 Any L very recently as of now?

[@jiminverness]

@@UnwantedGhost1-anz25 Does Batman vs Superman count?

[@Humble421]

​@@burgerking8475 and beat of all them too darkseid and doomaday

[@burgerking8475]

@@UnwantedGhost1-anz25 not sure. Current comics suck tbh so I don’t read them

[@CrystalPrelude]

I don't like Superman because his crazy powers. I like Superman because he represents caring, love, compassion, strength, and hope. The most potent superman moments are not his fights. They're the moments when he rescues a cat from a tree. When he talks a goth teenager down from jumping off a skyscraper. He spent an entire night, hovering beside another potential jumper. He promised he wasn't going anywhere, and he didn't. That's Superman. People constantly seem to say this character or that character can beat Superman. That isn't the point of Superman. It never was.

[@Vejita12]

He was born as Kal-El on Krypton, adopted as Clark Kent on Earth and then years later nicknamed Superman by Daily Planet's Lois Lane. Superman is the alter ego, always has been. Batman's writers seem to understand Superman more than his own writers. How does Batman call Superman most of the time? "Clark" Like in the Spawn-Batman crossover, when he says to Spawn "You're dumber than Clark" :P

[@elkresurgence]

This is pretentious

[@melsy9355]

@@elkresurgencehow?

[@RevRaptor898]

Well said :)

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

Interesting commemt

[@Papa_Burton]

Nolan literally gets one tapped by damn near every version of Superman.

[@Spectre2798]

Not DCEU or Animated Superman

[@Naterex]

Ok now thats cap, most but not all

[@Naterex]

Superman is still better though

[@Humble421]

​@@Spectre2798 he would get destroyed by dcey superman dude bench a tectonic plate which weigh terra tons Nolan Havent even done anything of that

[@BarbarianXD]

​@@Naterex"near" every version

[@JTfromVT]

Still better then people saying Homelander beats Superman, MUI Goku and Omni-Man

[@extrakt1559]

Superman claps all easily

[@DahGabriel-gk2cr]

​@@extrakt1559 agreed

[@roboticartist2793]

Wat?! Who said that?!

[@triplecrosscounter]

he does though

[@JTfromVT]

@@extrakt1559 facts. Superman goes crazy

[@harrythompson-heap9754]

Some missed feats of Superman’s incomprehensible might: - He can destroy planets in one punch using the infinite mass punch technique - He once flew so fast he ‘broke the bonds if infinity’ - He can’t be erased from existence due to him being a cosmic component of the metaverse - Pulled hundreds of planets to a new galaxy - His heat vision was used as 1/5 the power of a Big Bang - His arctic breathe is cold enough to freeze ghosts (somehow) - He once survived the Big Bang - The Anti-monitor once blasted him with all the energy of the antimatter universe - He defeated the World Forger (who is 6th dimensional and dwarfs Mr Mxyzptlk in power) in one punch simultaneously shattering a multiverse

[@MrAlex-mu5mw]

Omni-man would punch Superman and his arm would explode that's just the truth

[@Darbzila]

Just like Thraggs kids vs Mark

[@MrAlex-mu5mw]

@@Darbzila facts

[@kira.edits726]

Comic superman slams easily💀

[@UltimateNut]

@@Darbzilahow would a fight between the man of steel and thragg go anyways?

[@Axlrazer]

​@@UltimateNutThe same way it would go if he fought the rest of the verse

[@Or-igi_nal_hex]

The Real question is Way do people even think its a close fight?

[@rexyjp1237]

probaly comparing omni man to dceu superman. both are around planetary

[@Or-igi_nal_hex]

​@@rexyjp1237probably

[@BLACKSTA361]

​@@rexyjp1237based on speed alone he'd already lose

[@nintendosaber1184]

People tend to associated DC and Marvel characters with their MUCH weaker versions usually displayed in live action or animated shows/movies. Their power in the comics is lesser known to the general audience in comparison.

[@AmericaChavez17]

Maybe because they look like each and have similar powers. That’s also why people pit Omni Man against Homelander despite the fact it’s not even a close fight

[@ComradeYosh.]

Superman punched a guy so hard his multiversal counterparts felt it 💀

[@lolripk]

Superman would literally destroy Omni-Man the same way Omni-Man would destroy Homelander and probably even worse

[@cordites]

Homelander is stronger than both of that fodders

[@Humble421]

​@@cordites you got be smoking on some weed homelander is weak as hell his feats doesn't even compare to Superman in live action

[@SodaSeezn]

A decent Daxamite can kill a number of Viltrumites

[@MaroDJ3255]

​@@corditeswatch deadbattle buddy,they do facts for facts

[@Mayor_Of_Eureka17]

​@@corditestake your meds bro. Flat. Out . wrong. Hahahahaahha

[@NartOfficial371]

“I feel like I’m in a world of cardboard, always taking care not to break something, to break someone. But you can take it big man can’t you? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose, and show you just how powerful I really am.” -Superman

[@TheLastGarou]

**a few seconds later** Superman: "I... I thought you were stronger...." 😢

[@muneka]

Robert is like the one dude buffing his own OC

[@dolanpls3330]

This

[@williamfrank962]

Robert is a troll. Which is fine by me but the man is also very shady in his business deals. Also I don’t enjoy someone who clearly takes inspiration from an iconic character down to their looks and then says said character is boring and their new one is so much better. I mean hell even though he’s an edgelord the writer of the boys still likes superman I think and respect him I believe. Also in Robert Kirkman’s own words “he’ll never make something as glorious as Rick and Morty”

[@NostalgicRemedy]

@@williamfrank962 cry about it

[@williamfrank962]

@@NostalgicRemedy I’m not crying about it. I said it’s perfectly fine with Kirkman doing what he does (Trolling) but at the same time it doesn’t change the fact it comes off as childish and rather petty for an author who works in the industry to do so. It’s the same thing when George R.R Martin disses Harry Potter or Lord of the rings. It’s a common level of respect to your competition and those that came before you. Tolkien hated dune but it was only found out afterwards in his private letters because he told C.S Lewis or someone else that it was disrespectful or childish for another author to badmouth something and even than they are just insulting their competition not giving out actual criticism.

[@karimdavis7065]

I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thinks that about Kirkman

[@Psykolord1989]

(Superman) "You don't seem to understand. Earth isn't yours to conquer."

[@alfa1659]

Also superman ONE SHOTED! 6 dimensional being called world forger

[@hiddenjello61]

To be fair that was after Batman lined up like a million suns to amp him up

[@bluecrushbluedrake5616]

​@@hiddenjello61to be fair, The World Forger admitted that if he fought Superman in a straight up fight, he would lose to Superman (that's why he had Batman to move those Suns away from him).

[@Империямонстров-ф4е]

там вроде 6 это не 6Д это типа 6 измерение по иерархии которое стоит выше мерности

[@JadoBouhzam]

Bro goku vs superman is a closee fight than this lol who thought this was any where close

[@iphone5s659]

What about Saitama?

[@ChainsawMixx]

Currently, Superman would obliterate Saitama but the manga ain't over so that might change in the future but seems unlikely​@@iphone5s659

[@alexdeghost2729]

Saitama is ass@@iphone5s659

[@ADAJ342]

​@@iphone5s659, by shown feats, he would get clapped. By his supposed upper-limit (or lack-there-of) , it would be significantly closer.

[@kbbd6999]

​​@@ADAJ342If we're going off of the way they say Saitamas Powers worked in the Garo fight, not only does he not have an upper limit he seems to get not just stronger than, but significantly stronger than anything he fights so that he always maintains an oppressive strength compared to them. This combined with him having no diffed a gamma ray burst (which I believe is the strongest type of either explosion or supernova in the universe) with minimal effort, this fight would probably just end with infinite combat as both sides of this equation are the definition of " Naw, I'd Win". (unless Superman hit him with an attack that he would not be able to survive at the very start of the fight giving him no time to adapt and grow, but that would mean essentially tossing out a punch that could rip a hole in space off-rip)

[@hunterkinsella5303]

Superman's source of power is literally stars. In the comics, Viltrumites one big weakness is immense heat, such as (guess what) a star.

[@thelostone4303]

Those details are a bit overcomplex, because now you're factoring in very situational strengths and weaknesses. It's like saying "Omni Man can just use green kryponite to get the edge when fighting Superman" or something like that. Makes more sense to keep it at base strength stats and a neutral playing field for the sake of argument.

[@hunterkinsella5303]

@@thelostone4303 this isnt even about them using their weaknesses against eachother, if super man and Omni man went at it for REAL, where would the fight most likely take place? Space, most likely giving superman the edge whether or not he kniws thats Omni mans weakness.

[@thelostone4303]

@@hunterkinsella5303 that doesn't explain using the sun as a weapon/weakness, which was my point. Stars exist in space but they wouldn't be a specified/noteworthy factor in this fight because the real argument that has been largely made is that Superman doesn't need to get an edge on Omni Man, because by default he easily beats him in a fight on neutral grounds anyway. Besides, the fight would mostly take place on one planet or travel from planet to planet or satellites like moons, as space isn't really logical for Omni Man to go all out anyway (he's technically holding his breath out in space lol).

[@karimdavis7065]

@@thelostone4303 Kryptonians aren't weakened to Kryptonite anymore in recent Superman comics

[@thelostone4303]

@@karimdavis7065 Any reason for that?

[@opadrip]

Omni Man when Superman dips into the sun

[@spbakerchezbakethis]

Viltramite toughness? see 0:34. A fricken stalactite stabbed right through him. No way in hell you could do that to Superman. Case closed.

[@zirotsero6951]

Plot twist: Invincible writer just forgot to specify DCEU Superman

[@andrewarcher2493]

The funny thing is that people were even saying that Snyder's superman was too overpowered and it's true even the dceu superman would still wreck Nolan

[@Falcun21]

Kirkman should have said JL/JLU/Superman: The Animated Series Superman or even Fleischer Superman, because every other well known Superman would wreck Nolan. Even DCEU Superman was a casual moon buster. ZSnyder said that Krypton's moon was shattered by original Doomsday and that Steppenwolf encountered and fought Doomsday to a draw. Supes wrecked Steppenwolf without effort so moon busting would be nothing to him. The guy fought against Krypton's gravity while breathing Kryptonian atmosphere and came out victorious.

[@hmm7829]

He probably was referring to a more specific incarnation of Superman. Superman is such a contrived and overly-written character, he is too abstract to compare to a character like Omni Man. It’s too cringe how Superman nerds are taking this so seriously. Superman has lost fights to weaker villains like Metallo but then has ridiculous feats that will sound like “punching a hole in the fabric of the universe” or “flew so fast he broke time” or becoming some kind of godlike entity and becoming X powerful etc. It isn’t even fair comparison to make such a comparison because Omni Man has no such source material. Superman is a completely bullshit character. Which is why he has been rewritten so many times. The same can be said about nearly every popular Marvel and DC character. Doctor Strange also springs to mind here

[@Tribrid-zv3nq]

​@@hmm7829 you just mad cuz your Viltrumite loses

[@Tribrid-zv3nq]

DCEU Superman still wins

[@atomicskull6405]

I think Omni Man vs Lobo would be a lot more interesting though.

[@aspenhightower1438]

Omniman: “I was raised to conquer planets” Superman: “I was raised on a farm”

[@mrbobert6312]

Even if all the remaining Viltrumites, including Thragg teamed up on superman, they still wouldn't stop him. He'd just find them somewhat annoying

[@calvinkopp1735]

Omni-Man can shatter the moon twice over and move fast enough to destroy planets in seconds. Yet his strength and speed are still based on the dimension that is built on laws of physics. Because of that, he or Invincible will never be as strong or as fast as Superman can be.

[@NC_State]

I agree because they built Superman in the comics to transcend everything but they didn’t in the shows and movies so if we did shows and movies only Superman would come on too high difficulty but Superman is also stronger under a yellow sun like Earth’s so for Omniman to win vs Superman, Superman has to be shows and movies and Omniman has to be shows and they have to be fighting in deep space so the sun can’t strengthen Superman then omniman could beat Superman but Superman would’ve hurt omniman so much that omniman would likely be on the brink of death or die to his injuries

[@ManCheetah294]

As much as i like Kirkman, Omniman was shown already to be weaker in terms of durability to Superman. Kirkman said this but he most likely isn't taking the entirety of what Superman has been shown to be able to do into account.

[@VEGA_173]

i am so fricking tired of people not taking in the context, HE SAID IT AS A GODDAMN JOKE!

[@ManCheetah294]

@@VEGA_173 Yeah but its like the "joke" that the apocalypse would be over in like 2 years if everyone killed that many zombies etc...its still true haha He is always tongue in cheek like that out there bro, come on. at the very least you have to say he has left it open by just being all jokey about it lol we are allowed to look into it more. calm down.

[@jeffersonpierce5297]

I'm going with the guy who benched the weight of the earth for 5 days and only dropped a single drop of sweat 💀

[@karimdavis7065]

Good one, because Kryptonians can't sweat😂

[@JadoBouhzam]

A closer match would be dceu superman vs omniman or animated series superman from dcau vs omniman

[@BLACKSTA361]

Omniman struggled against Justice League knockoffs meanwhile Superman came back to life clapped the Justice League then clapped Steppenwolf Maybe against an inexperienced Superman from Man of Steel

[@dsm2417]

True in that case Omniman is faster and stronger and has more experience and skill. This is bc Superman is at least ftl and continental, perhaps planetary but Omniman scales there and crosses galaxies

[@dsm2417]

@@BLACKSTA361bro go research he’s best feats

[@Karma-fb6ms]

@@dsm2417are you talking about live action Superman vs Omni man?

[@WhiteManOnCampus]

I think DCAU Superman might lose, but that's only because most characters were nerfed to make their feats more comprehensible and less ridiculous. It also made it less stupid to have Batman as a field member if other Justice League characters weren't at the level of casually obliterating star systems.

[@Invincible_Falls]

Either way, the fanart for Omni-man on the thumbnail goes hard asf

[@joeyfigueroa4748]

Clark is so powerful that I wouldn’t put it past him that he would destroy Thragg holding back 100%. 🤷🏽‍♂️ Just a fact.

[@paselitoru]

I love seeing Superman getting some respect on his name.

[@karimdavis7065]

AGREED

[@giornikitop5373]

omniman: "let take this fight to the sun, see how you'll manage in such extreme heat". superman: starts glowing. omniman: "wait, WTF?" superman: "kaaa-meeee-haaaa......"

[@bolivianosinmar]

The fact that they are many references of db in Superman stories is crazy, some DC writers truly admire toriyama ( who wouldnt), heres my like good sir

[@brycefilms101]

I think a more interesting version of this matchup would be if we pit Omni-Man against other versions of Superman like the DCEI, DCAU, or even the one from My Adventures with Superman.

[@smilingearth5181]

This is one of those things that doesn't make a lick of sense to discuss. There is no scenario in which a Viltrumite can do anything but piss a Kryptonian off.

[@Matt_JJz]

"Penetrated Darkseid" is WILD

[@ricardomilos3872]

Chuck literally had to downplay the DC cosmology just so he can give a fathomable scaling for new 52(the weakest mainline version btw ), pre and post crisis superman and he didn't even wanna talk about rebirth and infinite frontier superman ( who btw is currently the strongest version of the character bypassing even DC metal Superboy prime and CAS) and the gap between him and high end omniman was still larger than a normal DC universe

[@EdehEmmanuel-d7r]

That true

[@ginormous_jummy220]

He just says this to promote his tv series next he's gonna say robot or immortal can cake walk superman

[@Wolf359inc]

As Stan Lee infamously once said on the topic of who would beat who in a fight, “whoever I wanted to win in that story”…

[@Chuck]

With that logic, more writers have showcased far better things for Superman than Omni-Man, so he would still win :)

[@orkoskang7967]

​@SomeoneUnknown932 And Prep Time.

[@Warcrime247]

Superman is so fast he manages to block ever punch with his face

[@gechoman44iwantahippo]

I think the problem is that I think Robert Kirkman thinks being willing to kill automatically gives you an advantage, when that is just not true.

[@jonathonclary1681]

The reason people think Omniman could beat Superman isn't because Superman couldn't do what Omniman does, it's because he usually doesn't. Omni man likes to open his fights with overwhelming force, giving 100% power even if his opponent couldn't take a fraction of it. Superman usually fights people at their own level and only scales up when he has to. But the biggest difference between Omniman and Supes isn't about how strong they are. Omniman quits when it gets hard, Superman can, and has fought to the point that he died of exhaustion without quitting.

[@Phantom-Shadow567]

This felt like a superman scaling vid then I remembered your putting him against omni man

[@mattmetawolf8634]

9:59 The only way I can take that serious is if he’s talking about Mark before he gets his powers then yeah he probably would struggle against Homeland or but once Mark gets his powers afterwards is definitely no real contests between these two

[@solidsnake8480]

the idea behind it is that viltrumites get stronger with more battle experience, just like saiyans and their zenkai boost, mark immediately after getting his powers was still super weak compared to homelander, mark wont become op untill the end of the viltrumite war which is most likely season 3-4 material,

[@breadifies2800]

This entire thing is so funny to me. Kirkman knows the audience, he likely knows how absolutely powerscaled Omni-Man is against Superman, he just knows making this comparison gets a reaction out of people and is 100% in on it

[@Towelie42O]

Omniman would get rolled🤣 The only character from the Invincible series that would be even possibly able to fight and beat superman would be Atom Eve as she can literally change atoms and/or create whatever she can think. If she somehow learned about Supermans weakness to Kryptonite, it would be easy. But now the question is, how would she even get that info. The other thing she could do is "possibly" manipulate Supermans dna and change it to human. She can literally do this, its stated in the show and the comics. The question is, does she know how to? Spawn is also a very interesting one. Divine Spawn could possibly take on a "version" of superman but now what versions exactly are the questions i dont have answers to. Amazing video btw! Ive had this conversation so many times with ppl. Most ppl who dislike superman try to say Omniman or "insert hero name" could beat him. Most of the time, its false.. His plot armor is up there with Batman. Its damn near impossible.

[@enderethan144]

Superman negs all of his clones no matter how powerful they are. But he might reason with some because not all them are evil and neutral.

[@parrisxsummers]

This is like an elephant vs an ant.

[@thebruh1883]

The one thing I really dislike about these vs matches is that characters like superman always have some multi super mega omniverse feat that people love to throw in there. Like "superman bench-pressed the whole infinite multiverse in this one comic" oh, okay then why is this vs match happening??? That's like saying the Joker can beat **Random OP Character** cuz in this one comic he was a reality warper like no, the joker is literally just a human dude. I wish people would stick to the form that most people would think of (like idk JLA superman who has limits, rather than super mega 1 trillion billion god Superman) because then its fair and probably what the person asking the question meant. If we use the STRONGEST versions of characters, I'm sure Condiment king would beat Omniman at some point. There's thousands of different Superman's who just become gods just because the writers wanted them to be. There's also a lot of versions of superman where he's JUST SUPERMAN, so why doesn't anybody use those? Especially in a vs match against a character who doesn't bench press multiverses jus cuz and yes i know he still loses

[@bjssjb9874]

You are right to a certain extent, but you are wrong to a certain extent. Superman is one who keeps developing his powers, especially because his power depends on the sun (He's almost like an exaggerated solar battery). So if he lives under a red sun, he's not actually stronger than a normal human. So to pit him against an opponent at this stage would be extremely unfair. Likewise, it is unfair to pit him against an opponent when he has been charged by the sun for thousands of years (at this stage he is godlike). In fact, comparing Superman to any opponent is silly. Because he is a character who is as weak or as strong as the story needs him to be. Therefore, that the good wins. In a fight against Superman, the question would actually be which side he is on. If he's on the good side right now, he'll win in the end (he's slightly stronger at that moment, so the story stays interesting until the end). When he's on the Evil Side, he's slightly weaker (as well, so the Good Side wins in the end).

[@noidsuper]

Omni-Man’s black hole feat isn’t very impressive as he isn’t anywhere near the event horizon.

[@wilde.9373]

omni man with that one funny green rock : 😼

[@bolivianosinmar]

current superman being literally inmune to :

[@karimdavis7065]

@@wilde.9373 current Superman is immune to Kryptonite

[@NightOfTheRavens]

​@@karimdavis7065 wat

[@jkunimage4187]

Very good video. The new 52 scaling is eh to me but I think everyone else was scaled perfectly.

[@mel-el5862]

New52 superman made phantom stranger bleed. The same version of phantom that tanked millions of infinite universes crashing through his face and body casually.

[@jkunimage4187]

@@mel-el5862 Ok maybe I should make this pretty clear because I get this feat and him fighting pre or post crisis Superman(I don’t remember) a lot. I go off consistency with dc since without it literally everyone in the verse would be like multiversal and outer which would make zero sense narratively and powerscaling speaking. New 52 Superman is usually considered the weakest Superman which I agree with. I’ve read most of the new 52 comics and to be honest he only has those two feats going for him really. I’ve mostly seen feats for new 52 Superman being in that planetary/star level to maybe solar system? If you don’t care about consistency all that much and want to get the strongest version of new 52 Superman then yeah new 52 Superman can get to those crazy levels of power

[@mel-el5862]

@@jkunimage4187 consistency is not a good arguement since new52 was consistently up in power. The kryptonians around him were also delivering absurd feats. Braniacs Ship was bigger than marvels world serpeant and capable of flying through multiversal barriers. Supermans wide heat vision which was larger than multiple planets was a danger to braniacs ship. Moving war world casually and stating exploding stars was nothing to him is new52 consistently. Casually surviving exploding planets fighting Ulysses and tanking 4th dimensional energy as well as using duper flare and winning while the full might of the attack was being absorbed by someone that absorbs 4th dimensional energy casually yet super flare was too much power for him. Casually flying inside of cosmic blackholes or punching an actual cosmic black hole into existence which he did when he was infected with the doomsday virus. New52 dragging and punching doomsday around the solar system as well as ripping doomsday in half ect. New52 was consistently powerful. New52 also fought post crisis superman to a stale mate in another book. So consistency goes into his favor. Phantom stranger feats only back up new52 even more.

[@EdehEmmanuel-d7r]

​@@mel-el5862but rebirth super man combined both post crisis and new 52 so they are the same guy

[@jkunimage4187]

@@mel-el5862 I just don’t find that stuff as consistent. Like I’ve read these comics and these feats are very spread out. Like for example. New 52 fighting post crisis Superman. Yeah it’s impressive but he was gonna get knocked out by an attack that was like planet or star level from what I remember. And this was stated by the narrator on page. If I could remember the exact comic that it was from I’d give it to you. It was the hawk guy in the justice league(don’t really remember his name) or one of his people. This would also be consistent with other showings of his power. I think there’s higher metas for new 52 Superman. You could probably get him to maybe hyperversal if you really want to. but those metas don’t really appeal to me that much in consistency and time span. But to be fair literally every Superman is like that and almost any other dc character to be honest. Batman being the most infamous with his Spector feat and him sometimes hurting darkseid in the comics. You can make the argument of it being consistent but it makes huge contradictions narratively but I can understand the scaling of it despite not really agreeing with it

[@thereaver8083]

Superman's biggest weakness isn't the green rocks. His biggest weakness is holding back in situations that he really shouldn't

[@davidbritton5282]

He always has to hold back because any punch can shatter the universe.

[@HelenaSan425]

Good vid and back from my cousin's birthday it was good 😊

[@Chuck]

Thanks for watching!

[@Phoenix-jn4sn]

Let’s be real. Realistically Omni Man doesn’t stand a chance. The only problem is that the author says he’s stronger than Superman, so he can just make up stuff to prove it. For example he could say that even normal humans in invincible are as strong as Mcu Hulk and that it just doesn’t seem like it since everything else is also much more durable, heavier, etc. The only way this Debate could be stopped, is by Dc stating Superman is stronger. With that, the debate would end as basically a tie.

[@xtrwombat4876]

Omniman and invincible have no feats that compare to supermans, Kirkman is capping hard. especially near the end of invincible, all mark does is get beat up a whole bunch, and then he cries every single chapter. mark and nolan are really no where near as powerful as superman, especially because viltumites have a weakness to sound thats extremely exploitable. I think even batman could take mark out by exploiting marks weakness.

[@goodluckudeonwe]

W vid, you proved robert wrong!

[@Halloween-Harbinger]

If every comic superman gets gives him more powers then i believe that's just the equivalent of doing 1+1 then times infinity making it borderline unfair for a fight to happen

[@Badboy27153]

Finally someone talk sense😊😊😊

[@chaneladriana6829]

I can’t think of a single even random kryptonian who Coudnt solo the entire viltrumite empire on their own

[@willipede1873]

Young Justice Superboy?

[@Solotocius]

Says the guy with the superman pfp, colour me surprised.

[@thehady1]

"Well, he's batman"💀

[@Oddball-dc2qt]

Chuck never even mentioned Kingdom Come Superman.

[@joethelegend8755]

Homelander

[@Builevinh2022]

am didnt like to be that guy but superman vs metro man is not a really fair fight (or fair). metro man is like superman but he have no weakness he like a perfect superman but again your opinion is your

[@Darbzila]

Great vid Chuck Thanks!

[@Chuck]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@Jesus.christ-v3z]

It annoys me that when there’s a character that is strong and can fly, someone will say “he can beat superman”. Yeah some could have a chance but you could look back into superman’s comics and find something like a miniature version of superman that has all his powers or something

[@kamikazehound3243]

Omni man isnt beating any superman, not even the og superman who couldn't fly. The fact the immortal managed to damage nolan shows he isnt built to fight superman. Hell omni man would get murked by flash and if you give batman about 2 hours he would murk nolan lol

[@solidsnake8480]

immortal damaging omni man didnt happen in the comics, that was original to the cartoon, in the comics omni man didnt ever break a sweat untill he actually fought other viltrumites. also there is no way flash or batman could actually beat omniman without the rest of the league.

[@cheezyfries123gh]

I think one of the key things to take consideration whenever we’re doing the power scaling argument, is that for one, Superman is a character that was created so many years ago, the definitive limits of his power are very variably defined. I feel like Omni man in the race of Viltrimites are created as the version of the Kryptonians that are just nuts with their strength, and the culling of their race to leave only the strongest of the strongest viltrimites left over like Nolan being like one the most sharpened supermen of the Invincible Universe.

[@slowturtle6745]

Superman has God powers who chooses not to be a God. No contest Superdude wins if he chooses to use his full power.

[@BlackDahlia_Smile]

Omni man is just an evil superman but superman is beyond powerful

[@daboikeyle1093]

“Hey Wiz, what’s half of infinity?”

[@SirLeDoux]

Superman doesn’t need to breath- he can supercharge by dipping in the Sun. Omniman doesn’t stand a chance!

[@alexpowers5117]

Superman: look at these viltrumites they don’t even mimic a fraction of our powers

[@SolarWraith]

The feats for many comic book characters are truly absurd, and hilarious...but that's what makes them fun read. As for those two...Superman absolutely obliterates Omni-Man. 😄

[@blitzkrieg237]

Superman’s biggest weakness is restraint.

[@davidbritton5282]

I like that.

[@romans7177]

You almost can’t even say that Omni man has more combat experience when in one story Superman fought for a thousand years alongside wonder woman and Thor.

[@tincano-beans2114]

You know you didn't write a good character when you have to invent a mcguffin to beat him lol.

[@jeffhankins7669]

Awesome video chuck.superman also destroyed a multiverse with one punch in 2019s justice league comic.

[@TheLilbigBlack]

Every hero and villain from Invincible could team up and they still couldnt clear any variant of Superman

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Hey chuck i have a great challenge for you analyse lego superman from lego games

[@TheAndreadellaluna]

experience: Superman alongside Wonder Woman and DC THor fought demon for 1000 years

[@dirk1998]

On a more serious note let's add this, superman only lives because plot armor, Lex could kill him if he wouldn't dick around. In short, Kryptonite go brrr.

[@zechthebadpersontartt8160]

It's the opposite supes actually also kryptonite doesn't even effect superman anymore lol

[@quietchicken6022]

Bruh, the author said he wanted to start controversy with this statement, but it felt like he actually thought Omni-man would stomp until everyone told him how wrong he was for making that statement. So he pedalled back and said that he just wanted to start controversy. L author.

[@lepookiewookie]

Superman has the weakness of kryptonite, while viltrumites don't have any weaknesses on that level. Even batman could defeat superman using kryptonite and omni-man can do everything batman can.

[@davidbritton5282]

Superman is immune to Kryptonite now and it barely did anything for the last 12 years.

[@Prince_Luci]

The human equivalent of this fight is Batman vs one of the pudgy creeps who shows up on “to catch a predator”. Literally not even a 1% chance that guy successfully makes it to his car without Robin (ironically the boy he’d driven to see) kicking him directly in the back of the head. Supes drops his incredibly slow ass directly into the phantom zone before clocking in to the daily planet.

[@ellie_vargr]

Omni-Man's only real advantage over Supes is his willingness to show no mercy and hold nothing back. Superman is literally ALWAYS pulling his punches. But that won't help Nolan when, even fighting his absolute hardest, he just could not do enough damage to Clark to mean much.

[@knulldestroyed3081]

All that speed and my boys Barry and Wally still take the cake

[@davidbritton5282]

Except that the races for charity is no longer canon. Superman has infinite speed feats now. He traveled through infinite multiverse of Hypertime in a finite period of time. He broke the Planck second barrier. A speed feat even the Speed Force can't do. Lol.

[@knulldestroyed3081]

@@davidbritton5282 I’m not talking about the races for charity, I just mean in general Superman isn’t catching flash anyway you put it, Wally has beaten a instant teleportation, has outran death, is faster than time itself every step they take bends the universe itself, Superman is very fast, yes but he ain’t beating flash they just break the laws of physics in ways Superman can’t, flash and Superman are the only 2 superheroes who have outran a big bang, with that being said Superman is fast but he’ll always be second to the flash

[@knulldestroyed3081]

@@davidbritton5282 a speed feat the speed force can’t do? Bro are you kidding??? The speed force is responsible for all speed feats possible, it’s the reason for motion itself, Superman wouldn’t be able to get away from black racer, he IS infinite speed, and Wally and Barry outran him

[@piccolo1906]

Omni Man can't even can't beat thragg

[@RussellStClair-cy1vu]

Omni-man can only handle the Sun for a couple hours . Superman can live on it . Omni man is cooked .

[@nesano4735]

tl;dw: Superman is basically the result of two kids going back and forth about how "My dad can beat up your dad!"

[@garf293]

I'm closer in strength to Omniman than Omniman is to Superman.

[@kazikhalid6197]

There's literally nothing Omniman can do to get through any version of Superman's durability. Even the superman from Flashpoint beats him .