Goku VS Superman | The HONEST Truth

[@SethTheProgrammer]

Install Raid for Free ✅ IOS: bit.ly/2zkYPn4 ✅ ANDROID: bit.ly/30vIRlW Start with💰50K silver and get a Free Epic Champion 💥 on day 7 of “New Player Rewards” program. Q&A about Goku VS Superman down below (Read More) Q. Didn't you say Travel Speed and Combat Speed are different? Why are you equating them here? A. It seems like some people in the comments are complaining about the speed feats I used for Superman saying there is a difference between travel speed and combat speed. Both of the higher end speed feats I used in the video are combat speed feats as is the immeasurable speed scaling. In the shattered god feat wonder woman is reacting to trillions of fragments flying from the other side of the universe in moments and in the reality blitzing missiles feat Superman is flying throughout the universe destroying missiles. He's also pushed Warworld back to the beginning of time DURING his fight with Brainiac and literally just span Jimmy Olsen into the past. Superman has also reacted and countered Superboy Prime's "Travel Speed" with his "Combat Speed" before. Q. If Superman has immeasurable speed, why doesn't he use it for plot purposes? A. Most if not all of the outliers you guys are mentioning aren't even from post crisis and the ones that are are simply Plot-Inudced Stupidty. Post Crisis has been repeatedly shown to be capable of traveling through time via sheer speed alone more so than nearly any other character in fiction. It doesn't make sense to argue he isn't that fast, rather that the plot hinges on not making him do such. Q. Why don't you mention MUI can dodge everything Superman can do? A. MUI Couldn't even dodge everything Jiren could do, who was relative in power and speed to him. Pretty common sense for anyone that has seen the show. Q. Where is Goku's ability to adapt? A. Goku has never shown the ability to adapt to something like immeasurable speed and implying he would is awful headcanon, it's like saying Goku would adapt to Whis' time reversal ability, just completely unfounded. In another example, it's like saying Goku can adapt to things that haven't even happened in the future, which has never been remotely implied. Q. Isn't it stated that Superman has to accelerate to Light Speed? A. Everything has to accelerate to do anything, normal human punches don't have infinite velocity just because they're combat speed oriented or something. Light in DC is similar to Dragon Ball in the aspect that it is not the same speed as it is in real life, it has relations with many higher dimensions and characters like the Flash after outrunning the Black Racer to the end was only stated to be going at light speed despite clearly going much faster than what we consider light in real life. Q. But didn't you say x years ago? A. I don't know where this weird philosophy that over years of research and argument you are NEVER allowed to remotely change your perspective, and arguments or evolve as a researcher / debater. It's honestly baffling that I even have to say this, it's like you guys consider every video a single continuity of one perpetual argument rather than updates to meta's, which is the point of these videos. Parrots Video on Superman I mentioned : kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYe9ZHmDo991gJY

[@selinarose6922]

I usually avoid raid but I’ll download and play just to support

[@thegurrenlagannguy653]

SethTheProgrammer Can you do a video on Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann?

[@thomaswhite3149]

Do you agree that the Jūbi adds natural chakra onto the Bijū giving a Sage mode level increase in addition to the extra chakra?

[@bobhydro913]

The clan does not appear

[@liljimmy4940]

N0 seth

[@kingkongmalunggay]

faster than speed of light, but my TV can still view these characters in normal speed. TV > Light

[@thenoob4310]

Lol

[@thesystem3967]

Movie Big screen: *Pathetic*

[@ProliantLife]

Dragon ball fights are shown in slow motion. They are moving faster then light when they fight

[@moha94vss38]

@@ProliantLifeno shit sherlock

[@yaboyj09]

TV: notices light speed Also TV: I do not tolerate weakness

[@mashane1900]

I feel like this conversation is almost as touchy as politics

[@Revelator999]

You would be correct on that one.

[@mikotoookami3682]

Hero vs Superman now that’s a tuff one

[@SinHurr]

And for the same reason: Bitches be salty

[@vulgarboy703]

So true though

[@mikotoookami3682]

Lance Keith that would be putting hulk against a new born baby

[@thatsinityguy1180]

“Please listen to our sponsor” Me: okay “This video was brought to you by rai-“ *N O*

[@T.Gundham]

You forgot raid

[@jaylochneemunsamy9020]

Yea you for got raid but... still funny

[@T.Gundham]

What did this comment say before I forgot 😂

[@thatsinityguy1180]

SSJ Vegeta people were disappointed with me putting “sha-“ instead of “ra-“ because it was supposed to start with raid instead of shadow

[@maxrobertson9788]

ThatSinityGuy thats exactly what i did

[@ExodiaTheD1HATER]

Damn me commenting papi Seth 3 years did not age well

[@sosa2mars]

Don’t let this argument distract you from the fact that Clark and Goku would probably be great friends in actuality while Batman is in the corner secretly figuring out a way to take out both of them if it ever came to be lol

[@ispartacus1337]

Wouldnt matter, Goku would still want to fight him.

[@bobsmith4334]

Batman couldn't beat goku. Goku doesn't have a kryptonite, it would take pure strength that batman simply isn't capable of

[@junhalee1957]

bob smith ooook...? It’s a joke

[@helpme4720]

@@bobsmith4334 if we put both at their strongest batman stomps no questions asked the final batsuit is busted

[@rodeo2026]

@@helpme4720 goku dont have a weakness. comparing him to batman

[@astonsin5570]

You know comics and manga are ridiculously overpowered when being able to bust a solar system is considered low tier.

[@lilbank2521]

Bro even universal is considered low now. Because in manga and comics every massive important war happens outside the multiverse. Xeno goku with his multipliers can be multiversal + probably Omni Versal. And Superman can travel outside into the hyper verse, and somehow survive darkseid erasing trillions upon trillions of universes and be okay😐. This is why I like to watch normal anime or lower tier comic characters because this shit gets ridiculous lmao

[@jshssjshjsnsidnssj3203]

Nah comics is just more overpowered when we get to cosmic level beings and omniversal beings

[@joshuaware818]

Well when you have a people with Goku who gets multiple transformations for no real reason goku wouldn't be too far off the only difference is that he doesn't have multiple writters on him .

[@ZCommander]

True but most (popular) manga isn’t like this from what I know. It’s mostly Marvel, and more egregiously DC and DBZ.

[@kalux4305]

@@lilbank2521 agreed, i like the low scale stuff more

[@massextinction6581]

"superman moves in negative seconds & arrives before he even left" That has to be the most broken explanation of a speed, that is just so ridiculous & so funny to think about

[@wTVe.]

mass extinction exactly I’m high asf thinking 😂😂NIGGA HOW ??

[@sethdayton8076]

Technically if goku is also traveling behind light speed he can theoretically move backwards through time but that's only if our current theories are correct and as you get past lightspeed you gain infinite mass which would warp your reality cone so bad you would travel backwards in time if you could control it that all hinges on if we are right and if dragonball physics work somewhere near our own

[@rigo_ad9317]

Seth Dayton actually you were close except the part where you said dragon ball’s physics works similar to ours. No, it doesn’t. If it did, goku would’ve became part of a singularity or a black hole when he tried to fight hit in the tournament. Or by the time he passed light speed, or the time he created a mini galaxy like structure under him in the tournament of power. Comics also are very different from out physics, string theory is not even a theory anymore in comics, and apparently moving past the speed of light in comics doesn’t just cause the end of the world by detonating miniature nukes with every decimeter you movie in... or just creating a black hole by moving so fast that your fist become as dense and gets he mass of a star, which in a shape and volume and size of a fist, you would basically bend time and space. That’s why things with immense mass in the universe are called black hole and are thought to make you go back or forward in time, or take you to another dimension. Physics!!

[@sethdayton8076]

@@rigo_ad9317 yeah of course that's the exception and suspension of disbelief I meant to add the "If it works similar" clause and yeah physics gets super strange and very alien in the extremes so it makes sense that most fantasy just chooses to ignore it

[@naijaboygangsta]

And yet saitama fanboys still believe he can destroy goku and superman in one punch :(

[@GanonGerudo]

Had to come back and watch this. Solid breakdown to this day.

[@ChrisTaylor727]

It’s funny how Superman is unironically stronger than goku as well. Seth missed a lot of feats that would scale base Superman’s strength to outerversal such as him quite literally breaking the source wall with a singular punch 😭😭

[@gpavitra85]

@@ChrisTaylor727 Thats not an outer feat

[@ChrisTaylor727]

@@gpavitra85 the source wall scales outerversal

[@gpavitra85]

@@ChrisTaylor727 Scale the source wall

[@matrix9140]

@@ChrisTaylor727 do you even know what the fuck outversal means?

[@EragonShadeslayer]

Let's be honest here. Goku vs Superman isn't even a worthy subject. If you want to see some _real_ action, try Farmer With a Shotgun Vs. Mr. Popo.

[@arre3591]

Sounds like a dead meme

[@EragonShadeslayer]

@@arre3591 can't disagree lol

[@bxyceaao]

Just kill Kami again and ui mr popo is born

[@therology]

@@arre3591 so it's kinda like you.

[@Eminster]

@@therology someone's salty

[@daveTHEdirty]

Superman:who are you? Goku: I'm an alien that was like a few minutes away from being part of a mass genocide Superman: DUDE....GET THIS! Edit.. I'm just trying to say they would probably get along can we please stop the war in the comments... also the people directly talking to me about Hakia did you even watch the video?

[@xtensioncordtv1969]

Don't read comics but wasn't krypton naturally destroyed?

[@trelerxhyper5044]

Prob how it would end

[@agudastephen223]

@@xtensioncordtv1969 not really, some places say natural, others say Braniac did it and recently It says Rogal Zaar did.

[@williambrown4138]

Superman: I was sent on a ship my father acquired to Earth, raised by old people, and eventually grew up to fight the evil alien overlord who destroyed my home. Goku: Okay, so you're not gonna believe this but...

[@callmewhateveryouwant5263]

I really do not like the retcon to Goku's origin. DBZ's version was much more original and interesting. The new one in DBS: Broly is just a Superman copy.

[@ya_daddy4454]

Tbh camera man shits on all fictional characters like he is literally EVERYWHERE like he records in the vacuum of space, on the event horizons in black holes, in the afterlife, alternate dimensions, KEEPS UP WITH CHARACTERS THAT TRAVEL THROUGH TIME, etc etc the list goes on and on in my opinion he needs to be heavily neerfed cameraman is just too broken

[@lifechallenger7777]

Hahahaha...yeah 😀🤣🤦‍♂️🤣😁✌

[@MyLife-og2kr]

LOL camera man is top tier of the top tier list. He's infinite dimensional.

[@sahazmarkk5624]

'Cameramen are omnipresent.'

[@boltotsutski6165]

True he do be op

[@balazsdocs8897]

People like to praise The Creator from Umineko for being the most powerful character in fiction, but they love to forget that he's trash compared to the Chad Cameraman.

[@paulseblano2761]

Superman wins.

[@SuperSupajay]

We're all talking about the characters being insanely fast and strong but what about the cameraman???? Gotta give the dude credit for keeping up and withstanding these attacks!

[@Roeclean]

Nooooòooooo

[@johnmedina7083]

Actually original and funny nice

[@kingkongmalunggay]

the real heroes, ya know

[@chris7285]

The camera man has ultra instinct mastered.

[@VegitoTheBest]

He’s so strong that the cameraman can barely see shaggy at 0.1 percent speed

[@TheFracturedfuture]

"Superman lost to Batman" Alfred making Superman bleed: Am I a joke to you.

[@dannylavoie5253]

And a blaster almost killed Goku

[@TheFracturedfuture]

@@dannylavoie5253 Old man>Blaster

[@rudygould4217]

Alfred took a pill that elevated him to Clark’s level

[@elizabeth11bodi71]

I like how people bring up noncanon

[@TheFracturedfuture]

@@elizabeth11bodi71 I like how every time Superman looses it's always noncanon.

[@UltraInstinctLink]

"Superman would look at Goku and instantly know everything about him..." And Superman would know 'This man is not my enemy'

[@zavinci2372]

@SOVEREIGN SUPREME lol

[@ssjgotenks2009]

@SOVEREIGN SUPREME stop lieing did you watch goku black arc if you it debnk you as alier goku goku get pissted when zmashu sia dhe killed goku fimaly if he only care about fighting he wood nto have geting mad if he onyl care about fight he wont turn ssj when krillin died to firea you know ntoing

[@razovic527]

@@ssjgotenks2009 i had a stroke reading that

[@Abhiram-gu1jx]

@@razovic527 lmfao

[@tochimclaren]

@@ssjgotenks2009 I died reading this, and am already dead.

[@zzalexander284]

Allegations vs Seth: The honest truth

[@moseszero3281]

Originally superman can 'LEAP' tall buildings in a single bound to 'he can arrive at the other side of the universe before he left.' So the answer is THE POWER CREEP IS REAL.

[@cytoplasm7015]

lmao

[@jodyboles8208]

eh maybe just alittle lol

[@anthonyrodriguez8788]

heck even in the golden age where he is often considered at his weakest Superman is tanking Nukes no problem.

[@monstersinthecity]

@@cytoplasm7015 his power of flight was added early on with the superman cartoon

[@jonathanwessner3456]

He also originally only got powers from OUR yellow sun, not ANY yellow sun

[@mistah3687]

We're all forgetting the real god here: Mr. Popo

[@lil2sturdy212]

Zeno?

[@arjayrosales7784]

Nope farmer w shotgun is the most op

[@java1.130]

blast !!! Bling bling boy would beat the shit out of him

[@savagequeze6956]

Java 1.1 lol

[@raht9578]

Ever heard of JOHN CENA?

[@herpydepth1204]

Jotaro: well doesn’t it depend on who’s theme is playing?

[@zayinkuro1372]

HAHA

[@ethanj7566]

Herpy Depth there battling and and yOu just here the end of geornos theme

[@absolutetomfoolery9144]

What about when Ichigo’s theme starts playing and Aizen just stops it

[@getsugaallen6612]

@@absolutetomfoolery9144 jojos theme are are UNLIMITED POWAAA

[@bruhberry4437]

@@ethanj7566 smh its giorno

[@CrossedNostalgia]

New Death Battle idea: Seth the Groomer vs the FBI

[@LullabyLagoonProductions]

fbi wins

[@lockzy21]

@@LullabyLagoonProductions no concept of difficulty

[@arnaskazlauskas6876]

@@lockzy21 new debunk seth wins low to mid

[@lockzy21]

@@arnaskazlauskas6876 fbi post debunking vid fbi still ngl like it's not close

[@alejandroo.2358]

Why Seth VS The FBI Isn't Even Close

[@jos2294]

Don't let this distract you from the fact that Broly tried to fight Whis

[@thekingofutube9328]

Lol

[@theysaidimasian9766]

and that frieza tried to flex on him

[@4137Swords]

Or that Kurenai tried using Genjutsu on Itachi

[@youngskeetz306]

@@4137Swords don't let this distract you from the fact that Madara thought he was the main villain

[@byronbostick4310]

Young Skeetz don’t let that distract you from the fact that Kaguya was more useless than Sakura.

[@dugonman8360]

I always imagine the fight would go like this.... Superman: I like farming! Goku: I like food! Superman: ya know, farming is how most of your food is made. Goku: you Make food!? Then you see a still image of goku and superman pulling giant plows in a field. Meanwhile Vegeta, prince of all saiyans, refuses to bow before Zod while Piccolo and Batman chill in the batcave meditating and shit.

[@SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist]

@Dugon man Nice, I like it. Actually both Goku and Superman are farmers since Goku became a farmer in Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!! I agree that Goku and Superman wouldn't fight, instead they would just relax and eat food on the farm.

[@ryzemonster7453]

Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus they would spar and get stronger and break their limits 😁

[@catdogfishdogcats]

@@ryzemonster7453 Goku would definitely want to spar with Super man, yeah.

[@ryzemonster7453]

Bongos yeah

[@Elnegro..]

"WE WUZ KINGS AND SHEET" Piccolo

[@robertpierce7978]

I know this video or topic is talked about a lot but don’t forget that kurenai tried to use genjustu on itachi

[@someguy4405]

Fried Chicken Sasuke tried to use taijutsu on rock lee

[@mynames7664]

@Rechordian yeah.... but he's itachi and they should know who itachi is

[@zee_space_wolfy]

Danzo tried to stab the susanoo with a kunai

[@blvckpapii4598]

@One if they're both genjutsu pro's you expect one to use something else? Now why would you use something you not good with in a possible fight to death 😂😂

[@tommunism6471]

Killer bee said the n word, although I don't know if that's the wack fansub I'm watching

[@akizukimigikai2582]

Having seen the insane growth that Broly shows in his DBS movie i would like to see him go up against Superman

[@Lethal_Swordsman]

Superman is too Op for Goku. Maybe Goku vs someone else?

[@Atlas-hu9wk]

Broly looks like a knock off Hulk.

[@hellothere4964]

@@Atlas-hu9wk except hulk is green

[@84warhead]

@@hellothere4964 Broly was definitely inspired by Hulk though, OG Broly had green energy and yellowish green hair, and was definitely a rage machine (as the fight with him dragged on, he got angrier, and as he got angrier, he got stronger). I haven't seen the new Broly in action, but he wears a decent amount of green from what I can tell, and is still particularly rage-fueled in combat. He's basically Dragon Ball's Hulk.

[@matthewk87]

The one consistent thing seems to be that Goku grows more powerful, both in defeat and in hard fought victories. Numerous times they have shown him gain powers, skills, and breakthroughs in the course of a fight. The longer the fight went on, the more of a chance for Goku to improve.

[@phoebezhang3459]

"Moving in zero time is impressive, but Superman moves in negative seconds and arrives before he even left." I can't stop laughing at how ridiculous this whole fight is.

[@mischiefnarcisuss1951]

Sounds like me in sex

[@doctorbob1223]

@@mischiefnarcisuss1951 wait wha...

[@zenistu707]

@@mischiefnarcisuss1951 Hol up 😨

[@zenistu707]

@Acidic Zerrot remember we talking about comics my boy

[@yummynubs3646]

@Acidic Zerrot he moves so fast he makes forwards become backwards

[@pedrosanchez5510]

I can accept this conclusion but, let's be real the winner depends on who is writing the story

[@daenchouest8879]

That's why battles are done in a vacuum, with only feats and scaling to back up who would win.

[@rackade5432]

Depends on which version of Superman you wanna use too. Some lose some win.

[@Will300tv]

Superman would win just because he has multiple writers and Goku Has One , if Superman had one writer Goku Stomps 💯

[@Dtin]

This is the comment I have been looking for after tearing through thousands 🙏🏻 thank you for having reason. It's fun to talk about and debate but at the end of the day different writers are gonna write different winners and that's just how it'll be which is why we have these debates 🤷🏻‍♂️ for entertainment.

[@SSJUnderDog]

sadsadsa asadasd he wouldn’t though Superman outspends him drastically and has far more hax

[@Hank-fn2ur]

Honestly Superman is just a “yeah he can do that” character

[@bradbarfuss6472]

Jiren was literally built to be that character as a mirror to superman. Goku still clapped them cheeks

[@Hank-fn2ur]

But jiren was just really strong, Superman pulls all sorts of crazy shit

[@savagelogic8674]

@@bradbarfuss6472 Except without the humanity, charm, hopeful nature, and inspiring aura of Superman, but yeah I guess so 😐.

[@savagelogic8674]

Not really, there’s over 40 different versions of the character that are capable of a varied level of feats, just look at DCAU Superman, whose only negative all around by people is how weak he is.

[@johnnyjoestar2335]

@@savagelogic8674 jiren did have those it was goku who made Jiren like that because goku wanted the T.O.P

[@Virtual069]

This whole argument really just comes down to " the person who will win is whoever the writer wants to win"

[@brownasianboi1212]

I'm pretty sure once they come and meet each other, they would be friends and Goku would ask to spar

[@kingmuizz708]

See that's more likely the truth.

[@peace4626]

He forgot about gokus plot armor of making random baddies nice

[@anasqader3851]

@@peace4626 Superman isn't a baddie.

[@sbevexlr848]

involve Ben 10 and the rest is history

[@MyNegroAcademia]

Clark wouldn’t like Goku for multiple reasons lol, he wouldn’t try to fight him but he’d definitely avoid him

[@ZiessRides]

One thing worth taking note of is that Superman as shown in the DCEU or any animated films or shows is nothing like the absolute terror of a unit that he is in the comics.

[@Lex02615]

I mean all comic book characters are light years stronger than their movie or animated series counterpart. It just won’t make sense to put their astronomical strength to live action. So yeah. Superman isn’t the only exception.

[@HUMAN-fq5ff]

I mean, in MOS he escaped the pull if a singularity(black hole) so I’m pretty sure he can become much stronger if WB knows the potential an MOS trilogy and Henry Cavil as Superman have.

[@Osiris1K]

Yea goku bodies movie superman, Comic superman a different breed

[@speeddemonji9547]

@@HUMAN-fq5ff but the mechanics of that black hole are iffy so eh

[@wordsmith4216]

Other problem is what universe Superman is the reference from

[@EliiteMc]

“Please watch the ad all the way through to support me” Alright I can do that “This video is brought to you by raid shadow legends” No, I don’t think I will

[@blueblade6174]

Lol!

[@CountDooku0]

Same. I tried the game and was hooked for a few hours before I realized how bad it was

[@gregorybatara8105]

At least it's not "*WANNA JOIN MY FREE GIFTCARD GIVEAWAY???*"

[@Timenaught]

Yeah I played for like two weeks out of boredom....and then got bored of it too. Really not a good game AND there are way more F2P friendly mobiles out there.

[@ethanliang1836]

Same

[@kylelancianese5527]

As a die hard fan of dragon ball I have to say Superman is just on a whole other realm. His feats speak for themselves. Personally I like that goku isn’t a like omniverse destroyer. Makes him more compelling in my opinion. Both are GOATS

[@Exveiy]

Prep time batman beat him

[@egg.007]

Superman started the superhero genre

[@ben21723]

​@@ExveiyYes, because he has plot armor, Superman holds back because they are friends and has had years to figure out Superman's weaknesses.

[@Exveiy]

@@ben21723 Batman also solos dragon ball

[@KAZ1337x]

@@Exveiygoku and co solo your mom

[@alexanderestrada3117]

Talking about the Planck constant in a "Superman vs Goku" vídeo. We've truly come far

[@ibrahimbarro5432]

alexander estrada the guy in the Video that was talking about the plank constant is my Astronomy professor

[@unknownworld4327]

@@ibrahimbarro5432 Pbs space time

[@jjmmm515]

Literally took a chemistry test on that 6 hours ago

[@eddieafriye8477]

A never ending storrryyyyy

[@evanmckinnon2851]

If only people actually realised that if you change it by the slightest bit than everything changes not just the speed of light

[@rantranger1527]

"Superman is so fast he could move in negetive time" Batman a human with a suit: lmao Damian bring out the kryptonite belt

[@whyumad1606]

Lmao 😂

[@pun1shersk221]

If he is that fast how come he didnt predict the place where batman would throw the nades/crypto spear and dodge it? And the answer is:because we need to show that humans are stronger than beings that theoretically cqn shatter multiverses like its nothing.

[@MissAshley101]

Well batman is a god slayer but he almost met his doomsday

[@lordtouchme5417]

Bruce every singke time he fights clark always says the only reason he isnt a bloody splattered corpse or have 2 heat vision holes on the back of his head is because clark holds back

[@banditgotgame1721]

Superman can easily shrug off kryptonite dude walked off a kryptonite bomb going off in his head

[@hebby_k755]

Goku would love to be friends with Superman. Imagine Goku able to always have a training partner that doesn't get tired? The only condition would be the time superman has, this would be an awesome crossover

[@darius2544]

Damn imagine how strong Goku would get from those zenkais and near death experience

[@l0sts0ul89]

@@darius2544 Superman would never kill Goku or try at least. He'll probably just give him a good fight.

[@hebby_k755]

@@l0sts0ul89 yes

[@ywudk4183]

@@l0sts0ul89 with his cosmic armor form suoerman would win but not kill

[@TheDarkMaster312]

Imagine how much better supes would get training with goku too

[@leoronnet166]

I just think that if the two were in the same univers & writing, the best thing would be to have Superman on top and being the eternal goal for Goku striving to best him and getting stronger & stronger. Honestly, once Goku is the best, there would no more be any reason to have any Dragonball to begin with.

[@rpgtimefire]

I've already been baited by clicking this.

[@brandonbeck6117]

This video gives me the humorous image of Superman flying across the galaxy stealing all the food in Goku’s path until he gives up.

[@christophercar7447]

That is actually one way of killing him.

[@zacksilverstone7642]

Or annoys him so much he went nuts, like the squirrel from Ice Age. ... Now I have the image of Superman flying around with a huge ass meat, with A slightly psychotic looking Goku chasing him...

[@kennethwadlingtonjr7122]

Brandon Beck that’s too funny but it hurts I always thought this was the case but I never wanted to admit it

[@g9hol]

That would be the only way to kill him because Goku would not feel like going Ultra Instinct just to grab his spiky forehead and then throw Superman to the ground so he would eventually just eat chichi

[@staclips3375]

I can imagine Goku attaining a new form in the spot to fight Superman for his food

[@henrysandoval1705]

Honestly everyone be gangsta until farmer with a shotgun shows up

[@KH2KG]

Yamcha has a new change now

[@SamRFi]

Clark Kent's dad

[@AviorGloria]

Ramen Guy murder rapes farmer.

[@KH2KG]

@@AviorGloria all it takes to designate Ramen guy a one on bullet I time the legend has said

[@shorts.daily.me_joe]

I don’t like overused jokes or fallacies,

[@genesis4322]

I think Goku could definitely give Superman a good fight but i don't think he has any way to put him down for good. I am saying this as a Superman fan and a DBZ fan.

[@Jesusisyhvh1]

Goku would destroy him.

[@genesis4322]

@@Jesusisyhvh1 You can believe that. I won't stop you.

[@Jesusisyhvh1]

@@genesis4322 Superman gets his energy from the earthly sun and cryptonite is his doom. He has also died before with lesser opponents. Goku could blast similar energy that could mimic cryptonite and he could also blast whote light and other forms.of energy Superman wouldn't be able to handle. Goku could blast the sun apart and it's over for Supes. And even if Goku died he would train in heaven (infinite) and come back stronger as he had done with all his opponents. Plus skills play the bills and Superman cannot move like Goku. Easy work for Goku.

[@genesis4322]

@@Jesusisyhvh1 Goku can't mimic kryptonite because kryptonite isn't an energy. It's fragments of his planet when after it exploded. Goku has nothing that could hurt Superman and even if he could blow up the sun Supes could literally just fly to a new one before Goku could react.

[@Jesusisyhvh1]

@@genesis4322 Goku can destroy an entire universe with his power, and destroy all the yellow suns. Plus Goku has different types of techniques and using red light would end Supes career for good. There is no faster speed than teleportation. Superman is a power charger he depends on the sun, you destroy it and it's over. And you can't kill Goku, and if you do it's worse for his opponents because he trains in heaven which is infinite and always comes back stronger in no time.

[@sondisaobie5852]

"Superman moves in negative seconds and arrives before he even left" QUOTE OF THE VIDEO

[@chrisrosa4393]

I just got to that part and I'm till just baffled at the thought of it 🤣 it's like when I was a kid and would do the " wanna see me run around the world?" Thing to my little sister and just flinch and be like "I'm back" 🤣🤣

[@Tb-gz4qt]

Yeah, i think he meant in comic book science

[@anakinspears7692]

makes sense amirite?

[@yeetypeety1877]

I mean, if he moved so fast that he went back in time (like the flash) it makes sense

[@BJTangerine]

very much quote of the vid lol

[@momohammed7235]

You think there strong? Wait till you see my dog He rips up manga's and comic's universes to literal shreds.

[@BurritoToonz]

XD

[@HeeHee-kh1ez]

That's how the comics scale

[@Joker-jw1iq]

@@HeeHee-kh1ez R/Woosh

[@midnightsunshine7231]

LMFAO

[@AndreB23]

Dog confirmed for strongest character. Literally eats fiction. Tier -1.

[@kenjitheshinobi6863]

I thought they would both just become friends.

[@SoDN.]

@DEVON MITCHELL yes and fight villain together i hope

[@pablogomesoliveira2677]

That is the most accurate thing I have ever heard in this stupid comment section

[@kenjitheshinobi6863]

@saber 1616 they would still have friendly sparring matches though.

[@pablogomesoliveira2677]

@saber 1616 that is something I would want to see

[@KratosTheAdvent]

Goku and one puch man and superman becoming friends is cannon

[@sydalliyonable]

"something Goku has nooo hope of returning from"🤣🤣🤣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@debater452]

Tell me how

[@samulvila6402]

The most powerful character in all of fiction is the cameraman

[@westernikea1314]

nah, its the camera-man's camera

[@Solgrem]

@@westernikea1314 the camera can’t even be scaled it’s just too powerful

[@xsizzlexster6495]

Nah, creator of that character/Universe is the most powerful

[@westernikea1314]

@@xsizzlexster6495 breh no, there were examples of characters going against their authors: pennywise(threatened stephen king and will kill stephen king if he didnt follow his orders) 3812(surpassed infinite plains of narratives and surpassed authors)

[@xsizzlexster6495]

@@westernikea1314 uhh no bruh. It's still fiction. If the creator decides they are done, then so shall it be.

[@theinfinitejay6322]

Who else clicked on the video so fast that the best quality was 360p

[@marquispalmer9637]

🤣😅

[@prixtn]

i clicked so late, there's a 8k version already

[@georgebrowniii3850]

we missed u seth :(

[@Jackrabbitt247]

You know what bro....I accept what you're saiyan here. 💯

[@kazu_4k]

Kinda hard to beat a guy that the creators of keep making him "As strong as he needs to be"

[@windandcloudshadow158]

That's kinda what he's all about XD.

[@jalolastname5446]

@@windandcloudshadow158 SHUT UP SHUT SHUT

[@tiwarisucks287]

whixh one are you talking abt? i feel like its super man because his strength just goes up whenever but it could be either.

[@dirtydan1212]

goku breaks his limits. superman has no limits

[@THEGREATMAX]

So you're talking about Goku right? Right?

[@zkurotama]

“Supermans weakness isnt magic at all , he just isn’t invulnerable to it” i think alot of ppl need to hear this 💯

[@KurasakiiEdits]

Yeah. Vulnerable and weakness is 2 different things.

[@adreanna62796]

@@KurasakiiEdits i mean I would consider being vulnerable to something a weakness when it comes to Superman and how they fucker had few weaknesses

[@Prince-oq2hu]

So what your saying is superman is just too overpowered?

[@dakotatrue12]

It's not a weakness in the sense that it completely disables him like kryptonite does, but it STILL is a weakness in the sense that he is vulnerable to it. They are both weaknesses, just different scale.

[@projectzfoundation3065]

Pretty sure he is vulnerable to alot of stuff you just have to be strong enough for example gokus strength comes from pure muscle and ki/chi harmony which can't be taken away since that's literally you yourself not extra thing that can be stolen Both superman and goku could be punched by let's say Darkseid and they would feel

[@jkm2076]

I think it's funny how Goku fans always downgrade superman and Superman fans always downgrade Goku. I'm seeing it every where in the comments🤣

[@MrZahsome]

It's kind of sad. Lmao

[@jkm2076]

@@MrZahsome yea🤣

[@J.Lopez02]

I'm a goku fan who knows superman is on another level and my guy goku dont stand a chance

[@devashisgd7349]

Only Goku fanboys does that. Superman fan knows that weaker versions loses to Goku but stronger version destroys dB

[@jkm2076]

@@devashisgd7349 you know your kind of proving my point 😑

[@undeadabyss9153]

Thank you for being accurate with Superman and how magic affects him, everyone calls it "his weakness" like Kryptonite doesn't exist.

[@jaden.3155]

Let's be honest, they'll be friends if they ever meet

[@jetgatling723]

yeah but Goku would totally wanna spar with Clark straight up lol

[@ACE-777.]

@@jetgatling723 same with superman, look up one of the first times he meets Kara and Shazam, he was beyond excited to have somone on his level come around.

[@keithshepard3]

Could you imagine if Goku trained with Superman and taught him? Also learning from Superman?

[@KiiingTroy]

xx_Shadowgamer 8040 so would superman , goku would have his marital arts at its peak imagine superman being able to fight like goku.

[@TTeuio6969420]

@xx_Shadowgamer 8040 he already is

[@Geo_K012]

"Yes, that's actually a number" I too have played Adventure Capitalist

[@pablogomesoliveira2677]

Ahhh a man of capitalism

[@AviorGloria]

*Laughs in Egg inc*

[@magik7675]

Laughts in duovingintilion

[@bucket4255]

@Just Some Soviet on the Internet What if I've played both?

[@trulyfog]

@@magik7675 laughs in novemtregintillion

[@brandonborst6550]

“Superman moves in negative seconds, and arrives before he even left!” Damn… now that’s fast!

[@righteye187live9]

Gets hit by lex in a robot suit

[@liams7137]

@V9FPS 悟 Jiren, Moro and Whis can land multiple attacks on MUI Goku, and Superman’s speed as shown in this video makes Whis look like a tortoise in comparison. No Dragon Ball character has ever moved so fast they can travel backwards through time, which Superman has done on multiple occasions.

[@liams7137]

@@righteye187live9 Whenever Superman fights Lex Luthor, he always holds back. One time when Superman fought Lex Luthor in his war suit without holding back, he literally just spat at him and killed him.

[@thierrydouglas8757]

@@liams7137 Moro did not hit Mui goku he only drain his energy

[@liams7137]

@V9FPS 悟 That was the live action non cannon movie. Batman has never beaten Superman in any cannon story ever. Saying Batman beat Superman in the BvS movie is like me saying Mai killed Goku with a regular blaster in Dragon Ball Evolution. It doesn’t matter because live action movies aren’t cannon.

[@TheMikeD428]

“Broken” is a near infinite understatement to describe Superman’s powers. We need to invent a new word.

[@JackgarPrime]

The word to use is "Superman"

[@Corntron5000]

The flash “ran across the universe” wtf was my man stepping in in space? Lol

[@Goldmight]

welcome to comic books. where the strongest feat of thor is being able to lift a specific house cat, and is actually an impressive feat within context.

[@thtguy-fr9ny]

@Fictional Subliminals dude if you read the comics, the cat IS the world serpent, and was disguised to trick Thor This was along with Thor almost drinking the OCEAN and digging enormous trenches into the ground with single blows In the same comics Thor had fought *TIME ITSELF* and according to the giant king, almost won I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just trying to state points

[@thtguy-fr9ny]

Let's not forget the time when Superboy prime punched his way out of multiple dimensions, almost killed mr. Whateverthehellhisnameis, rewrote time with a punch, almost beat the monarch, survived an encounter with the source wall (something that even a darkseid avatar can't do), and even walk across it like it was nothing.

[@Arev-xu7ko]

@@thtguy-fr9ny for What i remember, the mr. Shittilongname was weaked in dat time, but idk about the rest of the feats.

[@thtguy-fr9ny]

@@Arev-xu7ko well, yes you are technically right. Ehen prime fought Mr. Guy, he had lost his powers But even when he got his powers back, he still ran from prime. Given, he was still weakened, and a full strength Mr. Guy would most likely be able to beat prime, but weakened or not, his power is nothing to laugh at (BTW I say Mr. Guy because I can neither spell or remember his name)

[@megahelix1215]

Superman's speed us summed up by that spongebob meme where he asked if you wanna see me do it again

[@krimvanastrea]

Got bodied by flash though

[@megahelix1215]

I mean flash is flash so?

[@titanictnt7476]

Wanna see me run to to that mountain and back? Wanna see me do it again?

[@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010]

@@krimvanastrea flashes only power is speed and he is the generator of the speed force

[@Williamlongsword-l2c]

@@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010 if flash can move infinitely fast, then he is also infinitely strong. Strong enough to erase any god character from existence before they can react. Speed = mass

[@DeactivatedAccountButpls-pe8wl]

Remember when DragonBall was mainly about martial arts? Good ol times.

[@minimumrequirement5531]

No because it was never MAINLY about martial arts.

[@simpleclonetrooper2740]

i like this era of DB too

[@mcmcquavaledcquan2691]

yes now people are going quadrillions times ftl

[@TheZietgiest]

Ya I do the art was awesome. I can’t even see the fights anymore lol they move too fast 😂. Thankfully the tournament of power had slow mo’s and Zeno 1&2 had god pads

[@deshawnfilterfeed1212]

It was about the dragon balls

[@3mvtabigjake794]

My only problem with this is that superman does not have infinite stamina as we have seen him get tired against Darkseid, Doomsday, even Brainiac. Plus on top of that it was stated numerous times until the new 52 superman wasn't even capable of defeating Mongo only beating once cause he tricked him

[@debater452]

Still dosen't mater when Superman is way stronger then Goku. Seth lowball him a lot

[@lost.name636brother9]

Yes but the difference is Goku has far weaker limits and constantly gets tired during his fight against all of his villains he literally had to be healed before he fought freezer and then just got in instant heal because Zen Kai boost and turn super saying and kicked freezes ass.

[@gokupurple6760]

Well no he doesnt. But he also does. Imagine sleeping. U get tired and then sleep then full energy. Replace sleep with sun bath or sun drip and it makes sense.

[@DHworldwide185]

Mongo? You mean Mongul 😅 He has defeated him several times. Even so Superman villains scale to him.

[@3mvtabigjake794]

@@DHworldwide185 yea I meant mongul mistyped, and yea he's defeated him by foiling his plans but until new 52 he only defeated him once in actual combat

[@manofculture7389]

Imagine being so ridiculously overpowered that you confirmed *only weakness* doesn't even harm you anymore

[@youngyagi5546]

Imagine having fans so salty that they call an apposing character over powered for being able to do what they claimed you could do.

[@heatrn11]

DivineBeing lmao ironic...

[@jacobsegura5478]

How your day going?

[@davegeko2162]

Imagine being so strong when the universe exploded you only itched....to op

[@darius2544]

@@youngyagi5546 Xeno Goku stomps 99% of sups except Cosmic armor superman

[@suprastevio2264]

As a massive Goku fan, I'm satisfied with this. I feel that you were fair to the lore of both.

[@kexon2]

Agreed

[@adnjxn6465]

Wait but your profile picture

[@YungEx_TheBest]

Eagle_ fan101 To be a Goku fan, thou must understand his rival🤣

[@spooksnifff6523]

As a massive dbz fan I think superman is the most bs and busted thing to ever exists

[@SoundWave3214]

Yet superman gets beaten by a human in a bat suit haha.

[@jordanwarner1352]

1:41 No, I don't want to play Raid Shadow Legends

[@sahlalhanafi]

Jordan Warner tHANK UUU

[@charlesking963]

Underrated

[@damnboi4929]

You are hero

[@joelanyomi6928]

Same

[@samwisedidier7312]

Let him get his bag he deserves it

[@viciousoz4188]

I’m not entirely familiar with Superman or DC in general, but, when we’re talking about Superman as a character, are we talking about different versions of him and treating all of them as one character, or do all these feats come from the same Superman?

[@Aiel177]

well, right now we can consider these feats to be of one character,because all versions of Superman became one Superman,at the end of doomsday clock

[@WolfedOut]

In this video, he’s considering baseline Post-Crisis Superman. Using amped versions would be overkill against Goku.

[@EdgeyStyle]

he said it at the beginning

[@sentienttoyotacamry3283]

this is a rather weak version of superman , more powerful versions would not even be a debate

[@p.art.r1ck533]

He's only using post crisis BASE superman who is one character. He didn't use any of his amps or different versions because that would be overkill. Even characters like rimuru would get stomped by composite superman

[@jr4chargers]

I think the problem is that there's so many different Supermans. While there's only one goku.

[@CorreyInTheHouse]

jr4chargers we only need one goku

[@richardconaway9720]

technically not true; the android saga, timeline games (budokai/xenoverse), zamasu saga etc all prove there are multiple timelines of the characters, possibly even dozens of them, and each one supposedly differs in some way from the next timeline either through historical events or the characters themselves (like characters being dead, never existing, existing where they shouldn't etc etc).

[@petermad7476]

@@richardconaway9720 no

[@felixgutierrez993]

And Superman been going on for ages. He had so many up bringing and filler story's of writers not knowing what to do next lol

[@richardconaway9720]

@@petermad7476 yes, each timeline is technically a different goku, as shown by goku black, zamasu, and original universe 7 goku co-existing. similarly the two xenos prove this as well, as do the games and the future trunks timeline as the future where gohan dies and stuff still existed according to trunks himself at the end of the android/cell saga. there are multiples of EACH dbz character one per each timeline/alternate universe, same as super man, rick sanchez, marvel, any multiverse which uses the multiverse theory, and theoretically us as well.

[@AuhertBrahma]

Just wait for ScrewAttack to use this video to Superman vs Goku III.

[@cntoon90skid32]

*Death Battle* and if they ever do make a 3rd one which probably will never happen.

[@kcazzzzz]

there is no more screwattack. was destroy because of those 2 stupid fights. now it is deathbattle

[@ethanj7566]

They said when super ends they will do a third one

[@shyecity916]

@D Whipple lol

[@SFgamer]

@D Whipple Depends on what version he is. But I agree.

[@connorbates1152]

Being high af and hearing him say “He gets to his destination before he even left” made me have to pause the video and sit there in shock.

[@sololdodo2122222]

Facts 😂😂😂😂😂 I was like wait He can wat da f************************k

[@YungDripGod]

On god😂😂😂💯💯

[@trayionfields4247]

When giorno can get to his destination without moving

[@joseagosto5978]

I’m high af and I swear he’s just saying a bunch of numbers

[@Cantaloupe_Connoiseur]

@@trayionfields4247 the stand can't do much if both it and Giorno are reduced to atoms instantaneously

[@debater452]

Decent video but You lowball Superman's strength a lot. Superman has fought multiple multiversal beings and let's not forget that the DC universes are hundreds if not thousens of times larger then Dragon ball universes

[@kakarotplays3339]

ddraggon ball universes are infinte

[@debater452]

@@kakarotplays3339 No they are not

[@kakarotplays3339]

@@debater452 yes they are . its eeven saidd in this video and in guide books . and also i am not here argue that goku is slower or faster superman i know superman is ffaster . i am just mentioning that db unvierse atleast 7 is infinite

[@debater452]

@@kakarotplays3339 Tell me where it's said

[@flappyflap2693]

@@debater452 in the video

[@houseofentertainment4470]

At the end of the day, Goku and Superman don’t stand a chance against Farmer with a shotgun

[@Cantthinkofname-rp3iw]

Bruh ain't that a dokkan exclusive meme 😂

[@swxqt6826]

House of Entertainment or your grandma with a rolling pin

[@bakingcookieswityagrandma2629]

Raditz got lucky

[@TheChedderZX]

PROTECT ME GUN!

[@thescarletking5248]

House of Entertainment at the end of the day they both don’t stand a chance against the scarlet king

[@MilkT0ast]

But what if Goku’s moms name was Martha?

[@thtguy-fr9ny]

Asking the real questions

[@justsomeguywithabeard8467]

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!!!

[@XENOY30]

Then batman will have problem not superman

[@yourhero782]

Batfleck appears from shadows: WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!!!

[@RedDragonForce2]

Gine: Am I a joke to you?

[@akshaysundru482]

I think rather than Goku vs Superman it'd be better to do a video finding out which Superman Goku is most comparable to.

[@saimanishraosirikonda4145]

True

[@Talcor]

pretty sure that video was already made, if not then it was in one of the superman videos

[@kal-el9905]

CaptainFinnigan it’s new 52

[@sanjuro8815]

@@Talcor Just a Robot made videos about it.

[@Talcor]

@@kal-el9905 maybe for buu saga goku or beginning of super but not even close for the later parts

[@utubefuku7132]

What? Superman held the freaking MULTIVERSE! Superman has INFINITE strenght! Goku stronger? Ha! What a joke!

[@thatonedude2159]

Me: Time to sleep Goku vs Superman The Honest Truth Me: *W O K E*

[@zeroxd.cypher3899]

lmao same

[@kidshroud192]

jamezilla Casper I was honestly about to go to sleep then I saw this

[@Azombination]

Yup same here lol

[@fork-man]

You're picture complements this comment

[@tpblitz5215]

Same

[@OBL1V1OU5]

Batman: hey goku wear these kryptonite hand wraps. Goku: Criptoewhaa? Batman: Just trust me...

[@flamenskall2016]

Is nothing fun about a superhero scared of green rock

[@Kingdeadjokes]

Superman one million step in hold my beer

[@flextape2067]

@@flamenskall2016 it's nothing fun about a super saiyan being scared of needles

[@flamenskall2016]

@@flextape2067 That's a lot of damage

[@greatarabia8091]

@@flextape2067 He was scared of them but they don't hurt him. You can't kill Goku with a needle. Unfortunately Superman can be killed with a green rock.

[@Winter-King]

At this point i wonder what the writers of Superman were thinking when they wrote these feats.

[@mookiestewart3776]

Nothing ....they weren’t actually thinking just going for plot and shock value , as seen when in comics after these feats he loses to a mortal Batman......they weren’t thinking

[@luh_marc3202]

@@mookiestewart3776 batman is overpowered in the comics as well batman who laughs white lantern Batman and more of batmans is overpowered and can take on some supermans

[@eivor5453]

They were on cocaine most of them also are outliers

[@timmyadams234]

Nothing, I'm starting to realize the vast majority of writers for Superman were fans of him that had very unhealthy obsessions and wanted to try to prove everyone who said Superman could lose to this character or that character wrong... Because every single one of these feats that I've seen all sound like fanfictions and fan services.

[@shaneh7129]

This could be applied to any powered beings stories. I doubt most writers think about the science behind some these feats when write them whether its how much force is required to punch a mountain to pieces or flying from one galaxy to another in some ridiculous amount of time.

[@RiceCubeTech]

They’d become friends and Superman would mourn Gokus death when he dies from old age. Superman outlasts everyone and that’s depressing AF lol

[@yohanbaumann3012]

You are right, unless gt Goku is there, since he is immortal in the end(or ageless) the two would live until the end of times and beyond.

[@ridgefrost]

I seriously respect jiren... Regular guy, no special destiny or heritage nothng... jus some dude that became so powerful nothng but the ultra instinct could defeat him

[@arre3591]

A Gary stu

[@Twix44]

that's poor character writing 😂😂😂😂 he has no story he is just blank that's lame asf

[@shrekfromthehood1937]

@@Twix44 if were being honest who doesnt have a my family was killed so now i need to get stronger backstory?

[@arre3591]

@@shrekfromthehood1937 lots of characters

[@dialena4418]

@@shrekfromthehood1937 from dbz id say almost everyone has a different reason to fight Same with bleach And natuto And fairy tail So most of those main big ones

[@baneleshangase3398]

Let’s be honest here this is basically a contest to see who has the best plot armor

[@eivor5453]

Modern Comic Superman 616 Thanos Comic John Constantine Classic strange Classic superman Comic Batman Goku

[@michellealinateague9892]

Basically, if distilled down, we have two guys that would never actually fight seriously and would instead team up to destroy the nearest buffet

[@JaxsonNute2005]

I think the first thing to lose would be the universe

[@jetrenapasteta886]

@@eivor5453 nah idk if Constantine has as much plot armor as others tbh

[@eivor5453]

@@jetrenapasteta886 he definitely does dude has a room in the tower of fate even fate didn't know about it

[@jalencunningham2012]

Even I’m disappointed that my BOI Goku doesn’t win, at least its pretty unbiased and shows clear evidence for both characters.

[@jalencunningham2012]

Heisenbrrg honestly I thought Goku would be faster at first too💀. With the speed thing though, I think he’d still have the edge over Goku (going by Seth’s info) in speed even though he might not be as perceptive with fighting at high speeds is because he’s so much faster than Goku that it really wouldn’t make much of a difference if he was used to it or not. I don’t know if I worded that right or not 😅.

[@ryanbrown9833]

Heisenbrrg Seth downplayed Superman’s speed for you, Superman has immeasurable Speed feats

[@puffy_jr7521]

@@ryanbrown9833 nothing is immeasurable when you have science 🤓 don't forget this is also just post crisis and idk if he has any better speed feats then the ones Seth showed but I am pretty behide on the comics

[@invictus6176]

@@davidf2676 exactly you gotta account for fight and travel speed their two different things and heres the thing yeah superman can just time travel or take goku out of the universe but would he though? Would it honestly be in character because were essentially just throwing around Two characters and who's feets are bigger than the other not who would a win in a fight though Superman would still sadly still win the fight cuz of that stamina though

[@ryanbrown9833]

Puffy_ninja he has way better speed feats... and yes there is immeasurable when it just comes to speed scaling it’s a different meta

[@UpComingJ]

I don’t think he would have this much time to talk if someone was pointing a gun at him for his take on the debate

[@atlasrowe864]

If anyone says that Seth is biased towards Dragon ball then I mean they’re either deaf or incompetent Perhaps both

[@sheltonknighting]

Your comment got me thinking. What if Seth chose Superman to win because we thought he would choose Goku. In a video Seth did before debating Superman he said that travel speed does not equate to combat speed. And where is UI Goku in this fight? Just my thoughts.

[@luispelayo1962]

@@sheltonknighting Your not really alone I agree with u as well I just dont understand the gap in there speed but if u ask me how I calculate should be closer than that. It depends on who's perspective, math, and the writer's reasoning with the fans that decides these.

[@sheltonknighting]

@@luispelayo1962 True. I agree with you. And I'll will admit I don't really know all that much about Superman, I mostly follow Batman.

[@atlasrowe864]

sheltonknighting and doesn’t superman gain speed over time while he’s traveling or is it instant speed. Because if it’s not instant he’s at maximum speed then goku can probably just stop him. And I think the reason he didn’t bring up U.I is because his speed is multiple times faster than Whis who is multiple times faster than goku. But does U.I even work that way? Like doesn’t it not just react to incoming hits no matter how fast nor powerful was that not the case?

[@sheltonknighting]

@@atlasrowe864 yeah Superman to my knowledge increases his traveling speed over time, which is why I was questioning his speed advantage over Goku. And I'm not 100% sure how U.I works but like you said it does react to incoming attacks no matter how fast. I think it increases his speed as well, when Goku first went into U.I and moved toward Jiren seemed like a crazy speed increase.

[@Lvnvj]

All those feats don’t mean anything if Batman had a few hours of planning. According to Batman loyalist.

[@darkseidmcdonaldsemployee7482]

Realistically no, If Superman wanted to he could fly to Wayne Manor in seconds and torch the place.

[@levisanyo7344]

Dylan BECAUSE HES BATMAN 😂😂 nah but Batman is the goat tho

[@spanishsupafly]

this is why i cant stand DC characters

[@newagerise4638]

@@levisanyo7344 😂😂😂😂😂The Goat at what he can plan for a 100yrs never beat a Dr.Manhattan or Molecule Man.The man even said it on Watchmen movie "Worlds Smartest Man is no more of a threat than World's smartest cockroach"

[@levisanyo7344]

New Age Rise I was kidding smh obviously there’s some people Batman can’t beat smart guy

[@epicman2000]

Smarter than Goku. Now that's an accomplishment

[@etheriousnatsudragneel5835]

goku dumb

[@Auron1Roxas2]

He's smarter than everyone in db.

[@primella8135]

Adrius Vale in battle iq yeah

[@notkyng2x75]

@@Auron1Roxas2 whis

[@Auron1Roxas2]

@@notkyng2x75 Whis has more knowledge of the db universe he's not as smart as superman. Superman is far more analytic and has a greater scientific mind.

[@yeagerfolk796]

Comic books have been written by multiple guys over multiple decades Whereas manga are written by a single guy doing linear scaling. Comic book characters would always win. the goku fans need to understand that DC verse scales far above DB . The whole comment section is filled with those guys whining and bringing up non canon goku forms.

[@pikagammerpluspizza7478]

Could Goku and Superman's fusion (using the fusion dance) defeat Death Battle's Chuck Norris?

[@irohied1266]

They still wont win chuck norris us way to powerful is infinite dimensional bro cant be scaled

[@skybattler2624]

You cannot beat a man who scared the leaving heck out of Satan, who basically created the universe in a single roundhouse kick, and made God into a Christian XD

[@tinyfacetimmy]

Norris blinks and we die

[@mohammadmurie]

They can't as Chuck Norris is still fighting

[@thebatman9033]

Thanos snapped his finger against Chuck Norris Thanos didn’t feel so good

[@LyfSukz]

So if Superman is so fast then why is he so bad at dodging things?

[@jonnymars2254]

LyfSukz actually he is not they just make the cartoon shows like that to make it more interesting for people who don’t like to read... superman has also become a God which this guy failed to mention worn the green lantern ring and has more powers. Which is like a solar flare after wards draining him of his powers. It basically takes all the sun in his body so yeah goku be fucken dead no matter how much this guy tried to save goku and by the way him saying God goku and let’s put superman just here is bias and unfair . Cause sorry the new dragonball isn’t really dragon ball it’s become a mockery of itself so now whats after God goku super super Dios king kupa goku then try to talk about superman. When superman became a God he just let humans do what they needed and his descendants take over. Goku is old now you really think he be fighting like this bs the shit gots so much odiot shit it’s amazing their are any dbz fans left

[@GunPark]

@@jonnymars2254 yea u don't apply logic anymore do u

[@indestructibleREX]

For Plot. lol.

[@lugo6704]

@@GunPark I don't think logic applies to comic book super heroes and anime godly beings, lol

[@Fr_OE]

because movement speed does not translate to fighting reaction speed. Usain bolt would get his ass handed to him by bruce lee in a streetfight. Granted, Superman would still win because he's been written as a god beyond comprehension.

[@bigtoadtim3331]

All these series of videos have taught me is that Goku is surprisingly well balanced in terms of general abilities compared to other characters, but still hits like a bullet train to an egg

[@sogekingsimp2469]

Superman stopped an attacked that had the force of all of time, space, color, gravity, light, and every other thing in and outside of the universe, with just his heat vision.

[@abell7777]

@@sogekingsimp2469 mano?

[@jellymatsuryuka6853]

@@abell7777 he also lifted a book with infinite pages

[@lost.name636brother9]

Except he has no defences unless he transforms into super Saiyan/other forms because he needs the key aura to basically make a Energy shield protecting his body but it requires concentration and characters who sneak up on him when he’s not paying attention can easily take him out. And he’s also a terrible martial artist because he hasn’t mastered any of his techniques he only uses some of them imperfectly or never learns the ins and outs just Paul’s bullshit out of nowhere moves that never get tested. Just look at Kaio Ken why wasn’t it developed more and practised so he could take higher levels of it so he can use it as a emergency Shit the bricks manoeuvre when super saying couldn’t keep up so super Sayan times Kaio Ken would just kick the shit out of cell and it would’ve been funny.

[@jellymatsuryuka6853]

@@lost.name636brother9 using kaioken with SSJ is a death wish since you need to control your ki well to use it and not break your body and SSJ makes your ki go berserk

[@darkauroraxcix7499]

Fight starts, Hey its me go- *superman flies right through goku* Fight ends And im superman

[@tperfectorganism4520]

Fax

[@JustANiggaWithARocketLaucher]

If you bring up Superman losing to Batman in the movie, your opinion in this debate doesn't matter. Edit: I was referring to ppl in the comment section, not Seth. Bc I actually watched the entire video yk.

[@ChadKakashi]

He doesn't dude. Don't worry, he makes a good stand for both characters.

[@ACE-777.]

Foreal, I had a few people try to argue with me about that, I almost died of laughter.

[@Mauri2rawww]

Lmao i think superman is more powerful but i cant explain that they might as well give batman powers lmao batman beats every powerful character doesent makes sense he literally beat darkseid which is a character that could literally stomp the marvel universe even thanos or galactus

[@Mauri2rawww]

But if you put cosmic armour superman in the equation the writers cant pull off some batman is a smart ass person bull shit its just not possible

[@m.a2597]

But batmen in the comics right now could handle super man

[@thescarletking5248]

Could you guys imagine what would happen if dragon ball had multiple writers like dc and marvel

[@BenkeiCh]

There will be more universe, more plots, different vesions of goku and other character, the tournament arc will not happen and instead will be like infinite crisis where everyone duke it all out, not much focus on goku's "adventure". and no ultra instinct.

[@TheJandRReptiles]

Well it's a difference of a character being around for 100 years vs 20 years. When toriyama dies, if they want to continue the story, there will be a new writer.

[@TigerTT]

Maybe then Gohan could actually git gud lmfao.

[@nephillim8641]

It would be garbage

[@corey5526]

Dragonball heros don't count? 😂

[@zayg.4654]

You went so into Dragon Ball Super I actually forgot this was a Goku vs Superman video

[@deshortyprince10]

@@Tyujlo elaboration but yes you're right

[@michaelscott9040]

Because goku doesn't get insanely powerful until the end of super, which just finished last year. Db is a waaaay younger franchise than superman.

[@MistahDeer]

Yo your icon fits your comment so well. Lol

[@Groeningathletics]

Superman being so busted it’s stupid is why he’s literally the worst super hero to have ever been imagined

[@The-Heavenly-Badger]

Hey quick question have you actually watched or read anything about Superman besides his feats and the DCEU

[@ignitionSoldier]

@@The-Heavenly-Badger No, he hasn't and is just talking out of his ass like a lot of people.

[@USMC816]

Goku and superman would become best friends with their selfless personalites.

[@eivor5453]

Goku = Superman Piccolo = Batman Broly = Hulk

[@jarenmontaos5195]

Goku would love Superman and probably become his new best friend. He will love to fight superman everyday.

[@alphadestroyer3028]

Imagine:Goku,Superman,Vegeta,Piccolo,Mar-tian Man-hunter and Icon all just hanging out and bonding over all being aliens on Earth.

[@preds43]

@@Spoofcaster Uhm, yes. Goku and Superman's battles would moreso just be friendly spars. And if Superman does dismantle Goku in a fight, that would not only push Goku to strive beyond his limits and expand his other forms + Ultra Instinct more (Hell, Goku could also gain new forms, or new techniques as a result), but Superman and Goku would not kill each-other, and just casually chat, grab a bite to eat, or plan a rematch soon after.

[@igneous7976]

@@jarenmontaos5195 that would be good for goku he would break his limits and superman can learn how to fight instead relying on his insane speed and infinite strength

[@Phantom-Neon]

Universe: is infinite Superman and Goku: I'm bout to end this man's whole career

[@punkrider8758]

😆

[@mindfreak4x]

Goku is not universal and the DB universe is not infinite

[@punkrider8758]

@@mindfreak4x 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@mindfreak4x]

@@punkrider8758 Try to debunk me then

[@ceoofsololeveling45]

MindFreak4x to each their own opinions

[@nou7185]

Superman: **almost kills goku** Goku: **new form intensifies**

[@SoDN.]

Superman: *plot armor intensifies*

[@princezuko9204]

@Gregory Brooks Superman: *even more plot armor*

[@SoDN.]

@Gregory Brooks Superman: *writer intensifies*

[@justjay5907]

@@SoDN. goku goes ultra instinct so Superman won’t land a punch on him

[@SoDN.]

@@justjay5907 Superman way more faster than UI move in Zero time or move faster than that impresif but Superman can move in negative he arrive before he even left and Superman can move before human heart which make sexdecillion faster than light plus Superman can fight thousand to million year while Goku problem is his stamina

[@TsurugisFlame]

Superman does have pretty impressive speed feats as stated here, but I have to wonder, are these combat speeds? Combat speed isn't the same as travel speed, and even if Superman can travel backwards in time when travelling, if he could do that mid-battle, how would any villain ever connect a punch with Superman in the first place?

[@debater452]

Because Superman is always holding back, since his true power would destroy everything

[@TsurugisFlame]

@@debater452 But then how is anything ever a threat to Superman? I don't read the comics, but surely there have been situations where Superman would've preferred to avoid an attack or hit something before something bad happened right?

[@debater452]

@@TsurugisFlame Because if he did he would have caused a ton of damage

[@TsurugisFlame]

@@debater452 When he's fighting on Earth I can definitely accept that as an answer, but what about other times? Like the multiverse stuff or like Darkseid? Are those people just that powerful too, or what? Has Superman never been tagged by one of those characters when he probably wouldn't have wanted to be? Or has something bad happened around Superman when his ultra giga speed could have done something about it? I'm honestly curious, because like I said I haven't read the comics

[@debater452]

@@TsurugisFlame If you would move as fast as Superman you would destroy the whole universe. The only reason Flash's don't do it is because the speed force prevents that

[@CXSwift1]

Can't Goku just win by going Kaioken 3618 Super sayin 857 Blue God level destruction potential unleashed Ultra Instinic

[@germex1837]

Toriama in 10 Or so years: Yeah that's the new form for him

[@TheLostinWind]

No

[@geyboi5163]

if he goes that number of kaioken then he'd disinegrate

[@CXSwift1]

gey boi what you talking about obviously goku has enough plot to let him

[@justaguy1810]

No dude, it's Super God Saiyan Super Saiyan purple ultra destruction instinct super god omni god super Saiyan super 4 kaioken 3750

[@zichithefox4781]

People underestimate how much DC powers up their characters. It's become a well referred to punch line how Batman could beat anyone with prep time.

[@zichithefox4781]

@Crazyking160 That's sort of the problem with this hypothetical. Both DC and DragonBall are insane when it comes to power levels. Superman being the posterboy of DC and comics in general for a very long time, he's pulled off feats that go beyond any reason. As a huge anime and comics fan, trust me, I get how completely absurd Goku's strength is in comparison to most fictional characters. Which is why this matchup is so long and intensely debated, especially as more DragonBall episodes are made and more Superman comics are produced. I don't think Goku would call for Zeno just to beat Superman, that's not how Goku works. He's always wanted fights to be fair, even if it's to his detriment at times. Even if Goku's sheer combat prowess and strength overpower Superman's, it's by no means a one sided fight, and each character has ways of taking the other out.

[@Dooddood2731]

@@zichithefox4781 if he would have used all forms of superman it would have been over sorry to say but Superman prime is stronger than any goku form he is just meant to be the most overpowered form ever

[@Dooddood2731]

@Crazyking160 zeno would kill anyone even goku in negative seconds

[@zichithefox4781]

@@Dooddood2731 That's very true. It only sucks we really don't know just how powerful Superman Prime is because of his extremely limited presence in comics. But yes, there is no doubt he could kick the crap out of Goku, even at peak performance.

[@JustANiggaWithARocketLaucher]

@@Dooddood2731 yea, that's a big ass lie. Zeno isn't as powerful as u think.

[@nickcampbell5626]

-"My favorite character is the most broken!" -"No, my favorite character is the most broken!"

[@geeker0789]

Nick Campbell and then one-punch man pulls up

[@gman4736]

@@geeker0789 and promptly loses to both of them.

[@simonkhsonne]

Just stop

[@gman4736]

@@simonkhsonne just stop what?

[@simonkhsonne]

@@gman4736 sorry not you, just forgot to tag the other guy. This is just how the discussions allwayes start