CIGAR are off the rails. Bass Teacher REACTS to "Legacy Of The 7 Plies"

[@jhischke5955]

Hello Mark and my fellow bass players and musicians! Mark- I am truly honored that you took this on, and i'm beside myself that Lil’ Joe Raposo is among the folks who suggested you react to this song. It’s such a humbling experience to be among the players you’ve highlighted on this channel and I couldn’t be more grateful. I figured I’d stop by to talk about this song a little in case anyone is interested! So I’d known the Cigar guys for awhile before being asked to play with them; the drummer Jon and I have worked together for ages on other music and had especially built a musical brotherhood in our other trio EV Kain. When he approached me about doing some work in Cigar, I had no frame of reference for skate punk as I missed the genre entirely when I was younger. I knew more about hardcore and ‘classic’ punk rock (and I’ve long worshipped Minutemen and NoMeansNo), but I knew nothing about skate punk. Jon and Rami gave me exactly two reference points: the first Cigar album “Speed Is Relative” (with the incredible Jason Torbert creating the bass language for this band), and RKL’s “Live In Berlin” album/video. Both recordings blew my mind wide open. So these are my stylistic template. -this song's working title was 'CigaRKL' as the whole point was to be a tribute to the masters and every musical choice was made with them in mind. -the bass was recorded last and with both band members and producer Darian Rundall there for every decision of every phrase as we tried to make it as crazy as possible. Haha. -I played it all fingerstyle and I actually had to tune the G string up in order to punch in a few notes I didn’t have enough frets to create (I have to use a pitch shifter pedal to play those notes live). -in addition to RKL, I had people like Cliff Burton, Billy Sheehan, Juan Alderete and Rush in mind at other points in the writing of the bassline. -we intentionally went for a raw and borderline out-of-control approach in both the playing and production of this particular song; the rest of the album is slightly more refined, but we felt this one needed to feel more ‘live’ and chaotic. -that said, the concept of actually playing this thing live wasn’t taken into consideration enough by me while constructing and recording it. 🤣 -one of these days I’ll make a play-through video and pick it apart a little. In the full circle nature of life, we couldn’t be more excited to be hitting the road with the reformed RKL coming up; truly one of the biggest honors imaginable for us. Hope to see some of you there! And in the great tradition of this channel, I’d like to make a couple of requests for Mark to add to his list for future reactions…I hope (in addition to so many other members of this community) that you take a look at Jason Torbert’s playing on the first Cigar album at some point. Truly masterful bassline writing and execution. I’m trying to do him proud with everything I do in this band. In terms of further punk bass pursuit, I nominate Dylan Samore’s work with the band Ninjas With Syringes for perusal…maybe the song Nightingale would be a good starting point? He is an incredibly musical and melodic player with really interesting ideas and a perfect sense of composition within his bass role IMO. And also, I think a look into what some call ‘brutal prog’ could be very enlightening…this scene is my personal bread and butter, and I challenge you, Mark, to check out the legendary Japanese bass/drums duo band Ruins. I’ll nominate the song ‘Djubatczegromm’, and I look forward to your thoughts on that!!! Thanks again to anyone who checked this out and Mark- keep up the stellar work on this channel!!! Cheers!

[@CallMeClintMcGurk]

Hischke for president. Thanks for the deep dive

[@hightiescannabis4827]

If you've never listend to their album Speed is Relative, you're missing out.

[@KL_Stereo]

Just listened the whole album this morning, it's pretty much perfect

[@dupladetreis]

S2

[@666evollove]

100% dude. Been a fan since the 90s. No more waiting is a top 10 song of all time for me.

[@nordhessen-vibes7320]

Masterpiece

[@paquinjoel]

Missing out is an understatement

[@joaopauloangelim]

Cigar is epic. Please do Satanic Surfers - Puppet. Satanic Surfers is probably the most influence of Cigar. Tomek is one of the greatest hardcore bass player all time

[@Dreadbane]

My band had the opportunity to open for them for 3 shows back in 2003. Amazing band, and awesome guys. You really have to check out Speed is Relative, must be one of the best bass punk albums of all time. The opening track "No More Waiting" is a fine place to start the journey.

[@Vigilante_Typewriter]

If you like this band, check out S.N.F.U. ,great Canadian punk band!!!

[@92018475]

Legends!

[@mhill7077]

She’s not on the menu would be a great song selection

[@boulevardskateshop6217]

Better than a stick in the eye is my favorite snfu album. Society’s naturally fucked up.

[@opiumdennis7249]

Yes yes yes

[@Froyo__]

Cigar was the first band I ever saw live. I was 13 and they played in the dining room of a tiny pizza place in my hometown. Needless to say, I was hooked.

[@adriancole9681]

That’s a crazy first show to take in.. setting the bar really high!

[@JorlamMarquez]

You dont know how much i've waited for this, Cigar is one of the greatest bands ever... underrated but awesome... i asked for this time ago... hope you heard both albums of them

[@SilverlandgmodTV]

I'm so glad that Cigar have been getting so much attention with their new album, and that this has led to Speed is Relative getting re-appraised. They don't have a massive catalogue, but both of their albums are incredible from start to finish. All 3 of those guys go hard, but especially their drummer and bassist. Their stop/starts are so tight, and their bass lines are always so melodic and fast.

[@fcatulo]

Their track Mr. Hurtado is a treat as well

[@stephenjohnston5313]

Pretty wild that Jon Sortland, Cigar's drummer, is also the current drummer in The Shins

[@FelonyRecords]

And Broken Bells. What’s crazy is he’ll play keyboards while playing drums in those bands.

[@Sudaka_rtes]

And his backing vocals are legendary🔥!

[@adamhook5778]

Yup! I commented before I saw this. Crazy, right?!

[@92018475]

I saw them open for Lagwagon a few months back. Awesome musicians. Probably the most impressive drummer I've ever seen.

[@lm8404]

Me too, in Seattle!

[@chrisclark6562]

Me too in Toronto, also saw the open for The Mad Caddies last year as well

[@ryan2stix]

Edmonton for me!

[@tyleradams4638]

My band opened the show in London Ontario.

[@chrisclark6562]

@@tyleradams4638 you are in The Follow Ups ! You guys are great, I follow you on instagram and travel to the East Coast regularly for work.

[@failedstates5315]

Glad you did Cigar. They're unbelievable

[@MrSirhcsellor]

Dude…you’re a punk rocker, you just jumped into the pit late, but glad you finally stumbled in! Luv your breakdowns and insight’s of these songs! 🤟😄

[@LowEndUniversity]

Welcome aboard!

[@thirdeyevision11]

Love this comment haha. My first show was Pennywise, Mad Caddies and Stretch Arm Strong when I was 14. The feeling of getting picked up off the ground and later having my shoe handed back to me in that circle pit had such a huge effect on the person I became. It was around that time that I got my first bass and Bro Hymn gave my newbie, no skill friends and I the feeling of making music with a band.

[@andrewvuoso4207]

Their whole catalog is worthy of a bass breakdown. Jason’s stuff shreds too!

[@ImagineBanquets]

One of my favorite bands of all time. I got their first album in 1998, and then.....NOTHING for 20+ years! Then they're back! I didn't get to see them live for decades, and never thought i would, but now I've seen them live twice in the last year!!!!!! Hischke live is UNREAL.

[@Jeevz666]

this is exactly me, got Speed is Relative when it came out then nothing forever. Never saw them live then bam, first 2 live shows I go to out of the pandemic are Cigar. Love em

[@666evollove]

Same dude. Have yet to see them live. But i will.

[@mylesayres6060]

Speed is Relative is just a masterclass of what a three piece band can do. Im so f*cking glad they came back for one more album. Even when their first was so iconic. They just had one more in em and i love it. Great breakdown of their latest! As a bassist myself i'm here for all of it!

[@jinxremovingrock]

This is what I am talking about! Cigar rips!

[@lebeucherie]

Cigar is going to play with RKL Rich Kids on LSD on their reunion. You should listen to Blocked Out by RKL. Joe Raposo is the best punk rock bass player ever. I guarantee it.

[@adamchadwick7737]

Kudos to you for bringing Cigar and Jonathan's playing to people's attention. Great band and 3 great musicians. Great to see them in the UK last year 👌

[@hangingaroundwithbw]

Yes CIGAR!

[@closrod8856]

You can definitely hear the RKL influence.

[@PunkOnARant]

You so need to check out the swedish skate punk band Satanic Surfers! You should check out their song "Puppet"! Love the bass in their music.

[@LowEndUniversity]

Coming pretty soon!

[@datenschutzification]

@@LowEndUniversitybetter check the follow up album instead of hero of our time. Way crazier ;)

[@6sata6nic6]

Agree, maybe try soothing

[@deyamper]

Keep the punk rock coming. It's been a fun ride down memory lane. Check out Every Romance Language by the Ergs!

[@schlitzy-1031]

Would love to see him break down the Ergs!

[@johnney5]

So awesome, can't believe you're covering Cigar!

[@El_Pinche_Hombre]

They’ve just been announced to play with NOFX in Portland and I cannot wait to see them live.

[@lolroflstomp]

Fuckin A man! I've been following this little series you've been doing for a little bit now and I didn't expect you to dive this deep into skate punk! This band fucking rules!

[@rigneynathan]

Cigar is back!!!!! Best forgotten punk band out there

[@viniciusbp2704]

Thanks to whoever suggested this

[@punkrocksanity]

Fantastic band and their latest album THE VISITOR amazing from start to finish!

[@nofx989]

One of the best bands in the skate punk genre! Speed is relative is such an amazing album! Also Jon Sortland slays on the drums! So many great ideas on drum fills and sooooooo fast! Also considering he is playing on such a minimalistic drum set and he gets the most out of hi hat, ride and one crash just blows my mind!

[@KootenayCards]

Get to see Cigar open for nofx in Portland in June!

[@RioLimaF]

This is fire! You should listen to the other Skatepunk Bass Gods, Satanic Surfers. Their song Puppet is a nice one. The Treaty And The Bridge also

[@blackwaters26]

Yeah, this song instantly reminded me of something off the 'Hero of Our Time' album.

[@adamhook5778]

Their drummer is also the drummer for the Shins. Nuts.

[@Andrews2kx]

I knew Cigar about 2020 when Rami posted in Skatepunkers Facebook Group that Bridge City Sessions. It´s incredible how this guys get the skatepunk so serious. Its exactly what you explained. Every 30 seconds of song is a rollecoaster, you don´t know where or what to focus in. They´re execute things that its usually 4 or 5 guys on a band do haha! They´re my skatepunk heros. Please get to see Bridge City Sessions and see what this guys does, specially Big Jon in the drums. Greetings From Brazil!

[@patsgarage8593]

Cigars first album is amazing too. You should listen to all their songs. all 3 members slay at their instruments

[@matt_62183]

Yes!!! When does the video of your cover of this song come out?!?

[@LowEndUniversity]

😵‍💫

[@matt_62183]

​@LowEndUniversity this is probably sounding repetitious to you...but as a guitar player that doesn't know theory, who's played/loved punk, it's reassuring for someone, like yourself, who knows theory and is a bad ass player to appreciate punk music. Thanks for your reviews!!

[@nstreep]

This style of 90's SoCal Skate Punk is how I eventually got into metal. When I first heard Thrash it clicked how influenced by Thrash this style of punk is. Being a punk kid that had never listened to metal I didn't have a point of reference for double time Skate Punk when I first heard it. I eventually went back and did a deep dive of Thrash and now I'm a full on metal head that rarely listens to punk if ain't being played as fast as it can possibly be.

[@fcatulo]

I've always felt like there was a lot of overlapping between the thrash and skate punk subcultures. I blame Suicidal Tendencies for this perception.

[@mikemartelli4281]

SOOOOOOO Happy you are covering this song!!!!

[@seanmckelvey6618]

Quite literal skate punk in this sense. The lyrics are referencing classic skateboard graphics. 7 plies refers to the construction of a skateboard deck.

[@JayKughan]

I have never heard anything as chaotic as some of those parts & transitions. I gotta check out more of their stuff. That was awesome! 🤘

[@ramayomama]

Their first album is the true classic, came out in 1999. They released the 2nd album about 20 years later. The 2nd is amazing too, but the first album “Speed Is Relative” is best of the best.

[@zoybass]

i didn't know the band! the drummer is awesome!

[@TheDecline99]

Great video once again 👍🏻 One of my favourite albums of the last few years.

[@rzajc]

Cigar - Mr Hurtado (live on bridge city sessions). Thank you!

[@chrisclark6562]

Such a phenomenal band. I’ve been lucky enough to catch them live a couple times in the last year opening for Lagwagon and The Mad Caddies in Toronto

[@alextinu8841]

The punk saga continues! Hard work, great job! ❤🎸👀

[@LowEndUniversity]

Yes! Thank you!

[@stevesullivan8405]

Jon is an amazing bassist and human. So much fun to be had with that gentleman.

[@RyanEverson16r]

Cosigned. He's one of the nicest people alive, so humble and unassuming.

[@adrianastrolux]

Speaking of firecracker start to the song, check out 'Firecracker' by Strung Out!

[@chrislctr]

This was killer! Thanks for the introduction!

[@mattiabassriffs]

Man... They dragged you deep down the rabbit hole with this one

[@bassimprovjams3772]

This was absolutely incredible!! Loved this! Probably one of the coolest basslines I’ve heard on here yet definitely going to listen to this whole album

[@swempthebemp]

This was great! It sounds like they're playing by feel, like a crazy synchronised cacophony. Will be listening to more! Frenzal Rhomb are deserving of a listen, "Guns don't kill ducklings (ducklings kill ducklings)" for early stuff and "Finally I can get arrested in this town" for their current album and new bass player (they've had 3)

[@seanmckelvey6618]

Frenzal Rhomb are massively underappreciated outside of Australia. Great band with a distinctly Aussie sense of humor.

[@swempthebemp]

y6618 right? They're all great musicians too.. Gordy is a beast of a drummer! You should comment for these songs 😉

[@adriancole9681]

Never even heard of this band. Fucking wild.

[@LowEndUniversity]

Right?!

[@jawknee2]

You should check out Decendents too. Their bass player is phenomenal.

[@joseloro]

U love your channel and even more when there are punk/hardcore bands on it! Please continue!

[@opiumdennis7249]

It’s bafflingly awesome. Part punk, a little prog, a bit of Motörhead quickness… wild.

[@ligairi]

15:58 Great insight into this style of punk!!!

[@musictheorywithmalia]

Jonathan is incredible 🔥🔥🔥

[@boxenrider7981]

Speaking of chaotic sound. I would love to see you react to like some converge, or Dillinger escape plan.

[@LowEndUniversity]

Kinda been wanting to do DEP for fun. I know a handful of their work but definitely not all of it. What do you recommend?

[@boxenrider7981]

@@LowEndUniversity both of those bands are so chaotic, and I love how they kind of bridge the gap between punk, rock and metal. I'm not sure I can really think of a specific dillinger escape plan song to recommend, but when it comes to converge definitely maybe like concubine. Converge is way more chaotic. Both are chaotic bands, but converge almost sounds like it's random, and then when you realize it's all completely planned out and calculated, it's crazy

[@boxenrider7981]

Maybe like milk lizard for Dillinger escape plan. That's a good one

[@caffeinatedinsanity2324]

In the lines of the punk bass series, I wonder if you'd be interester in checking out Don't Forget the Struggle, Don't Forget the Streets. I don't think New York Hardcore is known for having many flashy bass players like other punk bands do, but some like Warzone definitely have some tasty bass lines.

[@fairlane6815]

Cigar - "Wright & Rong" is a good one to check out

[@fasterdays]

Thank you for putting this up on KZbin! ❤

[@LowEndUniversity]

No problem 😊

[@7Monza6]

You should check out the bands Three for Silver and Floater. Floater could be the 3-way love child of Primus, Tool, and Pink Floyd. 😂 I don't know how to describe Three for Silver, but the dude could give Les Claypool a run for his money. Plus, he occasionally plays the ukulele, and many other stringed instruments.

[@wimbolimbo]

You should check out the album 666 motor inn from Satanic Surfers

[@LuisFelipeVolpato]

Satanic Surfers - Soothing!!! Perfect for this channel

[@wimbolimbo]

@@LuisFelipeVolpato and I miss my brothers!!

[@bushleague3472]

Lol, this song is about an oldschool skateboard. I saw these guys with Lagwagon a while back, and they were amazing. I mean, Lagwagon always sounds great live, but even with a 5 minuet opening band soundcheck these guys were the best sounding band that night by far. Even when you listen to the album, you can hear how every element basically falls into its own, uncluttered frequency... a sound basically tailor made to sound great in any dive bar.

[@1thess523]

The drums are big and raw which makes it sound chaotic

[@drysiftwizard3469]

Wright n rong off speed is relative is YOUR JAM....DO IT NOW!!!

[@jacoblopez2549]

Hot prowl by Tiger Army. (It’s upright bass)

[@Jeevz666]

this song is entirely about old school skateboard deck graphics of the 80's

[@zenzenzen4741]

Mark I wish I could pick up notes that they are in as fast as you do, you are so talented or should I say you have a great ear

[@Gazobe]

Great video to the song too!loved it when it was first released and got both this and their first album on vinyl from fat wreck cords. Almost worn them out already 😁

[@1thess523]

John the drummer is also the drummer for the band The Shins

[@sulthtukin]

And Broken Bells

[@thirdeyevision11]

Cigar's Speed Is Relative and Deviates Time Is The Distance are two of my all time favorite albums. Are they as underrated as I feel like they are?

[@joshcornell7013]

best one yet. DO SATANIC SURFERS NEXT! you'll hear how they influenced the sound of this cigar album!!!

[@dupladetreis]

Tomek on bass pls

[@joshcornell7013]

i worked a show where cigar played last year...and his hand is like that...he's all over the damn place!

[@joaopauloangelim]

Tomek the king!

[@FelonyRecords]

Jon Sortland is in my top 3 punk drummers.

[@jonsortland2483]

You’re among my top 3 bearded dudes. ❤

[@FelonyRecords]

Ah shucks

[@jay_vero]

you should probably check out any song from their first album 'speed is relative'. if i could make a great canadian band request it would be 'choke - numb phase' i promise you wont be disappointed. its pretty complex music.

[@jeanettemike8367]

I wish you had done the song classic you but this is pretty great as well You could check out a war inside by bigwig If you do propagandhi again do last will and testament

[@LarryMullins]

Sheewww and I thought A Wilhelm Scream was wild…I’m gonna have to listen to more of these guys!!! Still love Wilhelm Scream of course!

[@fokerg]

You need to check out Actionmen - C'est Dada (a band from Italy).

[@youriboulianne]

This! Actionmen is so under appreciated outside of Europe.

[@ericchristensen634]

Their drummer is a freaking crazy master of the drum kit. Criminally underrated. That Mosquito Coast video where they played with Cigar is awesome.

[@aaronknofx6630]

OSKER!!!

[@wesleyrostoll7371]

So good! If you wanna try something similar but that has that "tight" sound check out Straightline, Not Afraid or Generation Lost would both be good ones to check out.

[@youriboulianne]

Straightline is incredible live. Never expected them to be so tight and yet, everything sounded like on the records.

[@jackieperkins3861]

You really really need to teract to Pink Floyd and Def Leopard, I could go on all day but those are some pretty heavy duty bands, especially Pink Floyd and may I suggest "Comfortably Numb"

[@spracketskooch]

Dude, you seem extra svelte in this one. Keep it up.

[@davidharris1451]

So cool to see you reacting to this song. Cigar are such an amazing band. The bridge city live sessions is really worth a watch. It’s got great production and showcases how good these guys actually are. The drummer has got to be one the best punk drummers of all time kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnbJk4yIhrqJe5o

[@f.b.jeffers0n]

NRA - Beng Beng Cocktail always comes to mind whenever I hear cool stuff like this, and I will keep hammering this nail...

[@murphyjay9084]

awesome!

[@LowEndUniversity]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@BipolarDistortion]

So good

[@brunnob3]

Yes! 🎉🎉🎉

[@szabolcsrapp4279]

watch the Bridge City session, how they play live leaves me speachles every time: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnbJk4yIhrqJe5o Jon, the drummer sings as well, he is doing the backup harmonies even live... wow!

[@LIMMM7]

Check out: SUCH GOLD (Misadventures) and Straighten Things Out (Dawn Of A New Hope)

[@Mike-yw5bv]

This my buddy John’s band. It’s so cool to see these guys blowing up still!!

[@loghead2131]

So Rad!

[@breid3492]

Please have a look at Cousin Cleotis by Capdown.

[@yetibeatsb7868]

They’re playing with RKL in may

[@zenzenzen4741]

Mark, I’ve been listening to your channel for many years now and I have never made such an important suggestion as I am now… TEMIC. They’re like progressive/dubstep/djent and if you do a reaction to them, you will be helping them get some exposure since they are new on the scene and about to make it big. Now, I know you’re going for the punk thing right now but as far as progressive music goes than I know you will just fall in love with them. That’s all I have for you, please just look them up. Oh yeah, the bassist plays a Dingwall 6 string jsyk

[@LowEndUniversity]

Thanks friend! Sounds interesting - I’ll see what I can do!!

[@FukU2222]

Big Jon is also an insane drummer. Mesmerizing to watch and hear them. Amazing band and soooo underrated, such a hidden gem

[@enestastan7147]

I am sorry but you need to react to "Hell you call a dream", a new song from the from the warning. You really gonna love the base on this one.

[@squeeelsbeals2200]

I think you should try some Jamiroquai again. It's been a while. 'Scam' live in Japan 1995 is a killer. Bass from the beginning! You'll will see close up's of Stuart Zender doing his thing. One, if not the best live sound set I've heard. A musicans paradise. Good luck with it.

[@LowEndUniversity]

Drop me a link!

[@squeeelsbeals2200]

Here you go 👍🏼 oh, Martin Shaw on the trumpet solo. Wow! kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIaxg4dpfpZmY7Msi=XimpalKpjARxpK2Z

[@ChargedCovers]

Satanic Surfers - Got To Throw up would be a great review, similar vibe to Cigar

[@djcrouton2680]

I'll need to go back and take a listen to the bass portion to see if it's a good recommendation or not but Choke (out of Edmonton on Smallman Records) is super interesting instrumentally. If you go from their album Forward or later. Their earlier stuff is good but just sort of fast, with Forward they have a lot more going on. When I bought the album I initially thought the CD was scratched and skipping on Recoil before I got the timing and changes. Still one of my favorite punk albums of all time.

[@youriboulianne]

Foreword, There's a story to this moral and Slow fade became huge influences for me. That guitar solo on the hardest things to see are on displays might one of the best executed for what it was aiming for of all time.

[@djcrouton2680]

@@youriboulianne The Hardest Things to See are on Display is a really good one. It would have been great to see the drummers reaction after hearing what the rest of the band was going to do in some of their songs.

[@gregc6072]

Mark…you had me at 14:50 ….this band was a little too much for me😏 …. and I see it has a lot of fans here on your channel. I like when you’re doing the old school punk stuff (NOFX Fugazi Rancid) but I’m gonna keep on listening bro.

[@LowEndUniversity]

Thanks friend! A good variety of stuff coming up. Appreciate you being here!