CinemaSins Videos Aren't Satire: They're Just Poorly Written

[@CinemaWins]

Yeah, Obviously, I agree with 99.99% of everything you said. And the only thing I'll disagree with you on actually improves your point. I think that the Blade Runner sin IS an example of an intentionally wrong sin, almost stepping over into satire. (Playing the fool.) In fact, I feel like the idea that an EWW Blade Runner even exists is sort of an inside joke (I can't be sure, I can't even watch it, because...well you know.) But you know as well as I do that, while they can be lazy and disingenuous...maybe even deceptive at times, they're not idiots. They know that Blade Runner is based on Philip K Dick's work and that it essentially invented cyberpunk. Or was at least one of if not the first time futuristic sci-fi was mixed with dilapidation and grime on screen. But like you said, the problem is that I'm sure it isn't clear to a large portion of the audience. I just thought it was sort of funny that even someone like you (or me or Shaun) could miss it because it's that unclear. That's bad satire. If they renamed the channel Poe's Law, we'd all get the joke...well, once everyone googled it.

[@kinnundo6434]

Yo this man coming in with the respectful disagreement and constructive criticism! If I wasn't a huge fan and attempting to emulate you in my real life, I'd tell you that you don't belong on the internet as it's a place for absolutes and sycophants! Thank you for trying to make the internet a better, more wholesome place.

[@jollycritic6766]

Nice

[@baddealdude807]

I was about to make a comment saying "lets just watch cinema wins instead" and I see this immediately

[@RebornVengeancex]

Love your content.

[@tuxedoshark8195]

Hey, It's CinemaWins! What's up, dude?

[@matthewobert9069]

No yeah cinema sins is garbage now. When the channel first started a sin would be like "you can see the camera man in the shot" but now a sin is "oh they're talking too much in the movie"

[@spider1266]

One of the sins in the first video was there not being a lap dabce in the scene

[@WG55]

Yes, I miss the early CinemaSins. It showed interesting continuity and production errors in the movie, but now it is padded with jokes, trite observations, and very picky "plot holes."

[@mexa_t6534]

Matthew Obert it’s been downgraded to the point of making “Black Widow is not giving me a lap dance on this scene” a sin. Ik it’s not to be taken seriously but come the fuck on.

[@matthewobert9069]

@@mexa_t6534 I agree a lot of his stuff is intended to be funny like the lap dance sin...I get that. However a movie "sin" by his original standards was production errors and things that should have been cut out of the final cut. For example in one of his original videos he points out that Jack Sparrow steps off the boat with his left foot and when the camera angle changes his right foot is the one the steps on the dock. This is a good example of a production error or a sin if you will. But sinning a movie for explaining too much and then sinning it for not explaining enough in back to back sins is just lazy writing and nitpicking in my opinion.

[@prolifik5]

@@matthewobert9069 I watched one of their older videos yesterday (it was in just six minutes if you can believe that) right after watching the movie itself. While there were a few running gags ("DC Comics") and the occasional instances of just talking about what's happening on the screen, most what they sinned was stuff that made me go "huh?" while I was actually watching the film. They ended up with 50 sins, which once you adjust down for the handful of throwaway ones seemed about right to me. Now the videos are twice as long at a minimum and the throwaway shit takes up 90% of that time.

[@Greg69Heffley]

My biggest problem with cinemasins is that they try to play both sides. There’s interviews and podcasts where Jeremy basically says they’re just a group of guys making jokes about movies. On the complete opposite end there’s that video of Jeremy in his car after seeing some movie and going on about “THIS IS WHY WE MADE CINEMASINS. SO WE CAN CALL HOLLYWOOD OUT ON ITS BULLSHIT. THEY CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS” and shit like that

[@nickcarney6736]

Yeah. They are trying to say its completely serious and not at all at the same time.

[@PhantomLantern2814]

Ah the patented Satire Shield, every toxic KZbinrs favorite product. Now you too can hide behind the excuse of “it’s all satirical!” to avoid taking responsibility for any of your behavior!

[@Synnamon27]

You're missing context. Jeremy has also said that when they were making the channel, it went through a lot of different and distinct forms/formats before they settled on the current format. So they got the idea to make a channel based on film criticism because they noticed patterns and trends with Hollywood getting lazy, and eventually ended up making the channel a parody of themselves because that format worked for them. Like many people who are creating some form of media, they had one goal in mind at the start, and ended up executing another.

[@caseywensnahan3543]

@@Synnamon27 the only things that I think could counter your point in recent memory was the whole thing where in the recentish movie jurassic world 2 there is the sin where jeremy says try something new you dicks very angrily and the car rant about the winnie the pooh movies I would make this point better but I am about 5 minutes from passing out.

[@Ze_eT]

@@Synnamon27 Okay, the context is that it is the response to the Winnie The Pooh trailer, and it is when the CinemaSins format already was there. But let's say it is wrong and CinemaSins being "intentionally wrong" is satire. Please answer this one question: What is the benefit of making intentionally wrong criticism? What is the benefit to trick 99% of viewers of Cinemasins into believing a movie sucks?

[@elsie8757]

The weirdest thing about the "it's supposed to be funny so you can't criticize it" defense is that there are countless occasions where Jeremy himself misunderstands a joke in a movie or takes it at face value (purposefully or not) as an excuse to sin it. So if you're not supposed to criticize things that are intended as comedy.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@lincolnb.3158]

Fair point, but just because 10% of the sins are truly unfair and not joking unfair doesn't make all the writing uncreative and bad

[@Synnamon27]

Yeah not one person has said you can't criticize CinemaSins because they're supposed to be funny. That's a horrible strawman.

[@shadypalmtree2989]

@@lincolnb.3158 Way more than 10% are unfair. At least 70% of a single episode is actually sins either taken out of context, very clearly explained in the movie, explained indirectly with so much obviousness that it's annoying he purposely sins it. And a whole much more crap on it. Theres only so far you can stretch the "satire/comedy" excuse.

[@lincolnb.3158]

@Insert username here I'm not excusing it because it's supposed to be funny, I'm just saying there isn't a huge amount of completely unfair sins

[@lincolnb.3158]

Shadé Palmer it's ok to dislike cinema sins, and probably more than 10% is bad but not quite 70%

[@heckingfurre863]

Maybe I would actually take the "It's satire" argument if CinemaSins wasn't so painfully unfunny.

[@bobbysworld281995]

The joke is Hollywood bad. And repeated 100× times

[@drewstillexists]

Next time I flunk a test, I'll just tell my teacher it was a satire of bad test-takers.

[@thehomiedan6378]

Genius lol

[@knightofsnakes5408]

Genius lol

[@brodun_]

Genius lol

[@clevernamerighthere9240]

Umm... do I have to-...ok fine

[@clevernamerighthere9240]

Genius lol

[@RemyRaccoon]

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. I love the CinemaSins format! But I wish anyone but Jeremy was the one behind it. The format has a lot of potential but Jeremy is squandering it by hiding behind the weak defenses of comedy and satire, and it's disappointing. Great video, my man :D

[@JayExci]

Hey, it's nice to see you popping up here. I honestly think at this point their best approach would be to just hire a new writing team for it. Although I do believe if the current team just put more work in that their content could really improve.

[@JayExci]

@Bouddica The Sleeping Lion I've only seen the one Dratigan video and I thought it was pretty meh.

[@eon001]

valeforXD When CinemaSins was 5-10 minutes it was great. Then it got watered down, (I'm assuming for audience retention and money), and it turned to unwatchable garbage. Un-subbed years ago.

[@Kat_Line_Art]

have you checked out cinema wins? dude uses the same format but points out evreything he enjoyed about the movie instead of nitpicking it to death.

[@bruce000000070000000]

Kathline Valiquette Yes, and he is boring as shit

[@SymbiSpidey]

The "It's just satire!" argument also falls apart when Jeremy himself said he created CinemaSins to "call Hollywood out on its laziness and bullshit" in one of his videos. I think he also even made a CinemaSins video poking fun at some of the inaccurate sins he's made, which he wouldn't do if the point from the beginning was to be intentionally wrong.

[@saxx9088]

I don’t think he’s being intentionally wrong I think he’s just lazy, churns out videos, and those videos are just responses to people complaining about how many mistakes he makes, as if acknowledgement means anything

[@cranberryrosebud]

@@saxx9088 Apparently (according to CS themselves), some of the sins are intentionally wrong, some are 'jokes' (though a lot of them are also based on false information), some are actual criticisms and some are, in Jeremy's words, actual mistakes. How are you supposed to figure out what's what, you ask? No one knows, not even the fans, since their defence of CinemaSins is always the same thing: "satire" or "joke" Jeremy's either too dumb to understand how to draw a definitive line between these categories, or, has some kind of weird vision of comedy on such a high IQ level that no one else can understand it.

[@spikemoody1757]

Someone who actually gives good criticism is civilly criticising CinemaSins. Thank you.

[@slamblamboozled1245]

"civilisedly" isn't a word, it's civilly.

[@spikemoody1757]

DenisIsABastardMan 98 done. Turns out doing Shakespeare homework whilst writing a comment was a bad idea xD

[@nappy9987]

@@spikemoody1757 Do you actually use whislt or is it just your homework influence

[@spikemoody1757]

A Nappy Headed Hooligan I do, yes xD

[@nappy9987]

@@spikemoody1757 ok good i use whilst also but i like to spell it different each time i use it.

[@heyheyitsjae2475]

One thing that always bothered me more than people calling it satire is people saying they don't want to watch a movie because "CinemaSins did a video on it." Like, do those people not get the point? Yeah CS does videos and crappy movies, but they also do videos on good movies. Their motto is "*no* movie is without sin" yet some people think that the second a movie gets on their channel it's automatically bad. You can't drag something like Star Wars or The LEGO Movie down to the level of The Emoji Movie or Hotel Transylvania, especially when most of the sins are half-assed like you mention. I suppose that's the exact opposite of the "it's satire" crowd. People taking the channel way too seriously instead of not seriously enough.

[@nexusshark]

That's another problem with their channel. It's way too big to be taken lightly. Many viewers take them seriously and don't realize how wrong they are about the movies they sin (even the bad ones), because they haven't seen the movies yet and probably won't do so because of CinemaSins' deception, I mean "satire".

[@mimosapudica8450]

And also if they believe it's "satire" then why are they using a "satire" criticism of a movie as a guide to figure out if they should watch a movie.

[@JG-tk1hm]

and the dumb fans claim that his "criticism" is usually meant to be a joke but I think it's not a joke cause the way he talks about movies, music videos, and stuff like that are just rude

[@h.b.smith_writer]

I completely agree. Citing Cinemasins as an example of film criticism is like citing McDonald's as gourmet food.

[@dearinfrontoftree8362]

Hunter Smith what are you talking about? My mcnuggies are as good as gourmet food, if not better

[@soundwavejoestar9200]

14:33 You are absolutely right about the Screen Junkies vid being better, but not just because of the writing, but by the performance and delivery by Jon Bailey. The man knows how to deliver serious lines and comedic lines, which help make his points and jokes easy to tell apart. Also, the man is a pretty good VA, being both Soundwave and Shockwave in Bumblebee and even Prime in the trailers. All in all, Jon Bailey is a legend.

[@darthkamen6564]

This man is an intellectual.

[@austinleach1307]

You touch on something that always bugs me about Cinema Sins. Jeremy never changes his tone. "Anna Kendrick isn't my girlfriend" or "this scene does not contain a lap dance" is spoken with the same inflection as genuine criticisms. That's bad performance, as when you make a video critiquing a movie, but also intend to make jokes or jokingly nitpick that movie, I feel you need to differentiate so the audience knows how to react to each "sin". ESPECIALLY when you are also notorious for getting facts wrong.

[@Splackavellie85]

Too bad he’s a pervert

[@Panteni87]

@@Splackavellie85 Who is the pervert?

[@donniepatt9514]

I'd go as far as to call him and his voice.....epic

[@AttonBrown]

When Jeremy used to make actual reviews in his car a lot of times the incorrect points he would make it his reviews would end up in his CinemaSins videos. He wasn't trying to be funny he just got things wrong and never corrected himself

[@platinumtrophies2402]

You know you’re old when you remember when the channel was called CinemaSinsSins

[@theninjas2870]

You know your parents aren't anti-vaxxers if you remember when it was CinemaSinsSins

[@gracekim1998]

Frame Analysis but it was only last year 😆

[@rajabuta]

GASP!? It's not!?

[@AfroGamesHD]

Wasn't it cinemasinsins like yesterday? I had no clue it was even changed until you just mentioned it

[@MykiiMescal]

AfroGamesHD no it was SinsSins like yesterday

[@Syy]

Your best video yet, Jay. Keep up the great writing quality.

[@RebornVengeancex]

How's dem knee pads holding up?

[@TheChurchofJim]

so happy you watch him, i love your channel

[@RebornVengeancex]

@@Syy You know...for sucking 😏

[@sterling7]

"It's comedy, therefore it can't be taken seriously enough to be criticized!" From the wacky funsters who brought you "It's made for children, so it doesn't matter that it's crap!"

[@jmeMK64]

You can thank Leafy for every poorly written creator or cyberbully calling their work 'satire'

[@suddenllybah]

I don't think so. Leafy started being Leafy as we know him in 2016, and Cinema Sins had started using the Satire defense somewhere around 2013, with EWW Cinema Sins existing.

[@jmeMK64]

@@suddenllybah Was more a general comment tbh but I don't disagree. Early cinema sins like videos that were under 10 minutes were far less nitpicky than they are now though, I feel the rise of people hiding behind the word satire has made them feel like they can just say whatever they feel like about a movie even if it's blatantly incorrect, I've slightly noticed it in the last year or so but it was that Infinity War vid that really made me notice how poor they've become

[@LjuboCupic1912]

Smartie814 Thank god iDubbbz killed that channel.

[@victorconway444]

Yeah, good riddance to that little shit.

[@thecinematicmind]

Smartie814 Ah Leafy, one of the most uninfluential and lousy KZbinrs of all time.

[@GiantButterKnife]

If you do satire poorly, you just end up being the thing you're supposed to be satirizing. Even if the intent of Cinema Sins is to be a satire of poorly written, overly nitpicky failed attempts at criticism, they're going about it by being a poorly written, overly nitpicky failed attempt at criticism.

[@coltonbates629]

satirizing

[@SorowFame]

If people can’t realise it’s satire without being told, it’s bad satire.

[@atari_hmb]

@@SorowFame Sometimes it's a personal problem. People will not always understand the intent behind something.

[@jsadi4734]

​@@atari_hmbWhich is pretty normal if you ask me. Not everyone has the same sense of humor.

[@cattusstroffic1243]

I thought the "satire argument" was demolished years ago. Jeez some people are really stupid or are in denial

[@h.b.smith_writer]

Exactly. KZbin isn't exactly the gold standard of 5 star film criticism though.

[@horaciosi]

CinemaSins: * terrible criticism * Fans: Is this satire?

[@jayvhoncalma3458]

Me an intellectual : *This is demonetized*

[@physicslover4951]

@Sean Macguire "You know, I've made my share of mistakes. As a mother, as a wife, but one place I don't make mistakes is my job." We understand it is a joke. You are not allowed to be factually incorrect in a joke if the wrongness of what you say is not the joke. The thing is, even cinema sins make jokes about jokes that do it. So in their logic, we are allowed to make fun of'em. Right?

[@anx46]

i hate how youtube shoves the cinemasins channel down my throat

[@JayExci]

That's funny, because I sometimes get comments from people who say they've never watched me but are tired of youtube shoving me down their throat.

[@caseywensnahan3543]

@@anx46 you could just get a video blocker that is what I did.

[@anx46]

@@Fanthail thank you !

[@registeredfunnyguy]

@@anx46 also KZbin has this feature where you can tell them you don't want a video recommended to you, and they'll ask why. You can say you don't like the channel and then you won't get notifications from them

[@MrAjking808]

@@anx46cringe

[@Richard_Nickerson]

CinemaSins: playing the smartass for entertainment Fans of CinemaSins: you ruin CinemaSins by playing the smartass (12:45) #logic

[@sirfriendzone1228]

People go to such great lengths to avoid saying something that they like is bad. These 2 things are not mutually exclusive!. Cinema Sins is bad and I like it. The fact that I like Cinema Sins doesn't make it any better.

[@Shenaldrac]

Exactly! I like Mortal Engines. I also admit that it's not a good movie.

[@JayExci]

I like Catwoman (2004) and AVP. They're not good though.

[@darksideofevil13]

I liked Venom and thought Suicide Squad was atleast fun. They aren't great movies.

[@TallMist]

I like Twilight for the brain junkfood it is. Sometimes I just wanna flip my brain off and watch cliche, generic, sparkling vampires.

[@AndreRhineDavis]

Yes, all of this

[@magentamage4901]

If you watch any of Jeremy's non-Sins film thoughts, it becomes clear that CinemaSins is not satire, it's just what he thinks film criticism is.

[@jamesmorriscreations]

To the commenters who tell channels like Jay or Birdman not to criticise Cinemasins because “it’s comedy” . . . shouldn’t you also tell Cinemasins not to make videos on films like Central Intelligence or Bad Moms? They’re comedy too!

[@joedoherty1062]

If cinema sins is meant to be comedy, where is the comedy? Its just 100% cringe

[@h.b.smith_writer]

Agreed.

[@ryanthomasfisk783]

Joe Doherty I absolutely agree with you.

[@bolg892]

Says Joe Doherty lmaooo, what cringe name is that

[@CertainlyCaro]

Remember when they took the "sins" part of the name literally and all the sentences were almost always "Hell"?

[@blarg2429]

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[@CertainlyCaro]

@@blarg2429 Well yea, but what do they not

[@TheDude90100]

I sadly used to be one of those people using the "but it's satire"-defense. You see, that's before I learned the actual definition of satire.

[@joshleftthechat3497]

I used to enjoy cinema sins too and didn’t realize why people didn’t like them until I did theatre and started watching movies more critically. Then I found out how satire worked. At least we both got our redemption arc

[@WizdaVision]

The most irritating thing about people who defend CinemaSins (or any channel theyre a fan of) is how they’ll throw out statements like, “you just don’t get it”, and, “its satire and clearly not meant to be taken seriously”, or “you’re just a hater”, without a shred of so self awareness. The person criticizing the thing they live is always a monster devoid of reason, logic, or the right to have a chance to explain their opinion. And their points for why their favorite content creator are always so weak, to the point that they can easily be turned around on them and use as a defense for why they’re being unfair and bias towards the person that it criticizing their favorite content creator. It irks me to no end and literally gives me migraines. Surprised you hadn’t made this sooner. Great video as always mistah Jay. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna go sit down and clear my head with a warm glass of rhino milk! 😋

[@PastelCerulean]

I don't hate Cinemasins, and I actually still watch their channels, but I see where you're coming from. Great video! Edit: Wow! Thank you!

[@theninjas2870]

Wait a second, how did I miss rebrand 2: The Squeakuel?

[@sarahgent2674]

You didn't. You missed rebrand 2: electric boogaloo

[@cargopros8246]

@@sarahgent2674 me too

[@FerHivore]

It’s amazing that nobody who defends Cinemasins as satire ever thinks “wait, what if this criticism of Cinemasins is satire too?!”

[@joelikechi-konkwo1074]

Because no body that critics cenima sins is actually satire while cinema sins always is

[@clubpenguin13531]

​@@joelikechi-konkwo1074It's not always satire, though

[@joelikechi-konkwo1074]

@@clubpenguin13531 yes they literally are the fuck give me when time they weren't like they literally made a whole video explaining that there channel is a joke that's why I'm confused there a video trying to say there not when even the creators stated they make shit criticism

[@joelikechi-konkwo1074]

@@clubpenguin13531 it literally is they have a whole video on there channel explaining that they know they are shit critics they do it for the laughs they even said " we are just a bunch of guys in a basement making jokes to get money" they are always satire thats why this video is so stupid they make money off of idiots like birdman who take them seriously they even said so themselves do you really think a channel that sins 55 seconds of logos is serious get real dude.

[@totallynotjeff7748]

You should do cinnamonsins where you point out everything wrong with cinnamon.

[@hopsonkim4952]

It’s actually cassis. DING

[@Jimjim226]

As long as it's not toast ken

[@illwill1991]

Yes he should

[@THEPELADOMASTER]

There's nothing wrong with cinnamon, and don't you dare say otherwise

[@SorowFame]

Then someone should do cinnamonsinssins.

[@tuxedoshark8195]

My main thought with CinemaSins is this: If they do it for "comedy" or "satire," then how come 95% of the content in their videos isn't actually funny. Don't get me wrong, I like watching CinemaSins, so don't try to use that against me, comments.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

I love how people assume that these kinds of videos and criticisms aren't humorous or enjoyable for people. We all have different tastes and senses of humor... some people blindly love CinemaSins. Some people actually get MORE enjoyment out of being correct when criticizing/making jokes about things. The idea that it's ok to be factually incorrect just because the intention is humor, but it's not ok to be factually correct also with the intention of entertainment baffles me.

[@JayExci]

I might print this comment out and frame it.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@@JayExci And for that, you have a new sub

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@@JayExci Did you do it!? Haha

[@JayExci]

@@Richard_Nickerson I tweeted a screen cap of it and said you were awesome

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@@JayExci Aw shucks. Too bad I'm not on Twitter! Thanks though 👍

[@thestargateking]

The only possible thing they could be a satire of, is a satire of film critics. Unfortunately they don’t portray themselves as a satire of film critics, they just portray themselves as bad film critics

[@mikoajfab5417]

To be fair you have to be very intelligent to understand the genius of CinemaSins. The comedy is so subtle that only people with very high IQ can understand it.

[@nexusshark]

Hahahahahaha

[@waltriguess]

Oh absolutely. *Laughs in Jeremy*

[@mimosapudica8450]

*Fufufufufufufufu*

[@nappy9987]

Rick and Morty Fans understand Jeremy perfectly

[@ki-seonpeck9069]

Dude, I'm somebody that loves cinemasins, but what you just said was stupid. People dislike Cinemasins cuz they genuinely dislike cinemasins, not because they have a low IQ.

[@alv2617]

Hey jay I just subbed. I didn’t want to because I follow so many nerdy movie channels already but you made me laugh too many times (the one that won me over was the spider verse one XD). Keep up the good work my man!

[@alv2617]

Also do you not feel blessed to have received so many blessings?

[@alv2617]

Also wrods.

[@JayExci]

@@alv2617 Even my newest of subscribers know about Wrods... :P

[@silviogrijalva8801]

Cool... cool

[@Person01234]

The excuse that it's satire just exists to excuse the mistakes. I actually do think that jeremy thinks he's being satirical and some mistakes are deliberate. But many mistakes are not. And it's impossible to tell the difference. But I don't think this, itself is a mistake on his part. I think jeremy constructs his videos by trying to nitpick every single possible thing he can find "wrong" with the movie without any real regard as to whether it's legitimate. This means he doesn't have to do any research, he doesn't even have to pay attention to the film, he doesn't have any real obligations and he always has this fall back excuse, that I think he believes, that he is satirizing a nitpicky pretentious wrong asshole. When really, he's just being one, even if he happens to know he's wrong sometimes. But he thinks it's fine if he doesn't bother to verify anything and throws in wrong things because he can say it's satire. This, by the way, is something he will often sin if I am not mistaken. This trend in TV and film where creators think that pointing out what they're doing as a tired trope makes it okay to be doing that thing, as if it turns it into satire, when actually they're just doing the thing. It doesn't become satire just because it's self aware enough to know the trope that it falls under. Same for jeremy, just because he says "look I'm the nitpicky wrong asshole trope" doesn't mean he's not being a nitpicky, wrong asshole.

[@tentrilliconlp7748]

I think they say that they are a satire channel, because they don't want people to think that they make mistakes.

[@tiawilliams5690]

Quite a few people think they're making actual reviews and will decide whether or not to see a movie based on their videos. There's been a lot of anger towards them because they're so inaccurate. They're trying to cover themselves by claiming to be satire. What I've never figured out is who or what they're supposed to be satirizing. I've seen bad reviewers but none that pick apart movies to the extent that CS does.

[@spider1266]

@@tiawilliams5690 is there any quotes of them saying their satire like I see comments from fans but nothing from them

[@nexusshark]

Someone in the comment section said in a pop cast CS said they were satire and the guy seemed to take their word for it.

[@christophersalinas2722]

@@spider1266 on a watchmen sins video some douchebag named Vincent says they were always satirical providing 500 word replies but they don’t really explicitly say they are satirical

[@Person-ex4bx]

I once saw a comment on one of their videos, which said something like „If Cinemasins made a movie, it would be completely flawless, right?“

[@anx46]

HA

[@Nugcon]

It would just be a black screen. oh wait, you could sin that for being racist.

[@SpongeyTheEditor]

They did write a book once...

[@yeahkeen2905]

Spongey444 was it good and what was it called?

[@professorthox4499]

It would probably have a lap dance in every other scene.

[@lunaitor-uq9hz]

"Cinema Sins is satire" Imagine having to CLARIFY that something is satire Like, it's so badly done that you need to EXPLAIN the fact that you're supposed to find it funny

[@DorsenFilm]

I absolutely despise cinemasins.

[@EriniusRainCat]

But then no more sins sins :(

[@matianuclaudiu3201]

Fuck you

[@hystericallover5989]

Matianu Claudiu mood

[@JG-tk1hm]

same

[@JG-tk1hm]

@@matianuclaudiu3201 it is an opinion

[@RobynReanimates]

People who call CinemaSins satire, literally do not understand what satire is

[@TheFallofTheEleventh]

*Video does not contain a lap dance*

[@DVDandFilmBloke]

Not to mention the CinemaSins being satire argument falls apart when you realise a lot of the sins in the videos are genuine criticisms Jeremy has. Seriously he used to do a series where he would talk about a movie in his car on his way home from the cinema and he makes a surprising amount of complaints that later found there way into CinemaSins videos. If CinemaSins was genuinely satire, every single point would be wrong and so blatantly wrong that it can't be viewed any other way, and even then the joke would get old really fast. You can still make jokes at the movies expense without getting the movie wrong.

[@giornotriestino1364]

Cinemasins be like: This secondary character has a background? BORIIIIING!!!!!!! *sin* This secondary character doesn't have a backstory? Aww, that's awful man i wanted to know every last minute of this guy nonrelevant to the plot *sin*

[@eyalb7728]

You don't get it it's Satire

[@skylarmccune9242]

eyal B I see what you did there...

[@tomboz777]

You understand satire...here:🎖🏆🍪😉👍 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@anyoneatall3488]

You don't get the fact of that satire is satire because you obviously don't get the satire that satire is. Satirically

[@FlynnMTaggart]

You may not be saying stop watching him, but I am. I was a fan of CinemaSins for years, but his Predator video showed how nonsensical his comedy or his "facts" are.

[@Riku-zv5dk]

Kudos for remembering you disillusioning moment. I don't remember what it was that started my disillusionment of Cinemasins but I remember how I felt. At first it was the occasional mistake that could be applied because they missed a moment, but with time the videos got longer, the mistakes became more and their sins started matching their personal reviews. Then I watched one of their videos that was about 80% their screw ups and padding that I just snapped and said 'No more of their shit'.

[@jatkinson85]

@@Riku-zv5dk It was his I Robot video that firmly took my blinders off at how poor Cinemasins' content is, so it was with some amusement I discovered this channel a couple of months ago and found Everthing Wrong with Everthing Wrong with I Robot as the first video on the subject this channel did.

[@Riku-zv5dk]

@@jatkinson85 yeah that one was horrendous beyond belief, if I had a top ten awful cinemasins list it would be at 2, but that is a foolish and futile list and I have no idea what worse ones they have made since, a lot I would assume. Now that I have thought about it I remember the last one that made me quit outright, it was the Ghost in the Shell video they did, but the first still eludes me.

[@WillowJordan1979]

For me it wasn't one specific video, but I just realized at some point that I went from "yay Cinemasins did a video about a movie I watched" to "wow, that was a boring video with many missed points". It happened again and again. Also all of their cartoon videos are terrible and pointless. Why even discuss cartoons on a nitpicking channel?

[@theuncalledfor]

I kept watching CinemaSins videos directly after watching the movie they were about, after having... not been a fan, but liked them well enough, for a long time. With movies I hated, I often thought that the undeserved "sins" took away from the catharsis of having the shitty movie bashed to pieces, and my reasons for actually hating it were rarely if ever represented in the videos. With movies I liked, I just got angry that they bashed them so underservedly, with so many completely false points of what would have been genuine criticism if true, rather than mere nitpicks. Even false nitpicks make me angry, because if you're being pedantic enough to nitpick, you should be pedantic enough to get your points right! Both cases made me feel increasingly disillusioned with CinemaSins. And then I found channels that criticized CinemaSins itself. And it was glorious.

[@DemyrNox]

I don't get why some people are so annoyed that you're picking on innacuracies when that's supposed to kinda be the point of CinemaSins

[@JayExci]

Did... did you watch the video?

[@DemyrNox]

@@JayExci Sorry, poor phrasing. I get why they do it. I just think it's kinda ironic. Great video by the way

[@JayExci]

@@DemyrNox Oh, never-mind, I misread your initial comment.

[@DemyrNox]

@@JayExci Oh alright haha No problem.

[@squashmallow2006]

0:28 Trust me, if this were a hateful crusade, you would honestly have every right to do so. It's totally fair for anyone to dislike contagious stupidity like CinemaSins to continue thriving.

CinemaSins doesn't know how to make jokes with real movie criticism, and since a lot of people in their comments say that they watch the video instead of watching the movie first, that's really dangerous.

[@pNsB]

Here's what I don't understand about the responses to comments on CinemaSins' videos defending his bad sins. How can someone "miss the point of it entirely" and "not be able to ridicule it because it's satire"? Aren't those mutually exclusive? Which is it?

[@alexmakarov4796]

At least the Cinema Wins is cool

[@MegaManNetworkOfCourse]

Yeah, that's the kind of positivity we need in overly critical and cynical times.

[@pascalsimioli6777]

@@MegaManNetworkOfCourse Yeah we all need to cover our ears and shout "lala" every time the bad evil world tries to ruin what we enjoy :( Gimme a break. Cinema sins is fake criticism but Cinema wins is a guy blowing his favorite movies.

[@TheMetaright]

@@MegaManNetworkOfCourse Praise is not inherently more valuable than criticism.

[@mathunit1]

@@TheMetaright With shit criticism channels like CinemaSins, I disagree.

[@conehead2099]

@@pascalsimioli6777 Um no? Cinema wins does videos on both good and bad movies, and talks about the positive aspects of both.

[@TyBaller]

Pitch Meetings > Cinemasins

[@theninjas2870]

Pitch Meetings are TIGHT

[@darthkamen6564]

Well that choice is Super Easy.

[@TyBaller]

@@darthkamen6564 BarelyAnInconvenience

[@darksideofevil13]

To be fair though. He gets some stuff wrong about the movie to. Still Ryan George is a genuinely funny man. Jeremy can be funny to. But he seems far more up his ass.

[@Ender_Rock]

It's funny how such a commercial empire like screen rant landed a series like pitch meetings.

[@lesvernornvienas8232]

"its a joke it can't be criticized for it" looks at every cancelled comedian

[@antimonyparanoia]

Cinema sins is trying to be too many things at once: comedy, satire, internationally wrong, unintentionally wrong, and actual criticism. If they were any 2 of those things it would be fine but because they have to be all 5 they end up ruining their own videos

[@latrodectahespara2728]

I'm so pleased to see two of my favourite youtubers (Hbomb and Shaun) mentioned outside of the contexts of the leftytube sphere. Recognition...

[@bubbalubber]

Another argument for it not being satire is that jeremy does or atleast did do first impression reviews of movies in the car journey back from them and the stuff he complained about in those reviews would usually/always come up as sins

[@Lenny-ue8hk]

Bobvids’ sustaining stupidity video explains really well how the “sometimes satire sometimes not” has had a negative effect on film review and the film industry itself.

[@apertureAI-jw1iz]

I think Satire should follow the same rule of making an offensive joke: You DAMN well better make sure it comes off as a joke.

[@joolsthebass]

40k subs!! Doesn't seem so long ago you were celebrating 1000. Congratulations Jay ♥️

[@_mango_]

0 seconds of opening credits, thus ruining the gag. *[Ding, but it’s 2 sins for an arbitrary reason because there’s no set rules]* Video wants to explain why CinemaSins sucks but they’ve stuck with using them as a topic. *[Ding]* Criticism ex machina. *[Ding]* That’s CinemaSins-ist. *[Ding]* Video is right and that pisses me off. Fuck you, video!! *[Ding]* *[Total sins counter: 6]* Punishment: *WATCHING A CINEMASINS RUNNING GAG COMPILATION* “Fuck you, movie!!”

[@Claudius_Ptolemy]

People really can't seem to understand that comedy can also be shit......

[@ApexGale]

These people think that comedy or satire is exempt of criticism. That's not how the world works. Anything can be criticized. Even the way criticism is delivered can and has been criticized before.

[@ely2445]

in italy political satire is really popular and usually comedians that make jokes in this field , are well informed people , because if you get something wrong, the audience will get mad and you would make a fool of yourself. This is an example on how satire needs to be correct , in the other case you are just mocking someone using incorrect facts.

[@ColeYote]

Roger Ebert once said if you have to ask what something symbolizes, it doesn't. I believe the same applies to satire.

[@conehead2099]

Watching Cinema sins is like when someone insults you but when they get called out it's "just a joke"

[@saxor96]

If they just, for example, after being wrong, showed in the very next clip why they're wrong and they just said "... Oh" or, said "let's just cut that part of the script", that would make it at least better (and real) satire.

[@KalCounty]

The main issue I take with people saying "It's satire! They're satirizing nit-picky people!" is that the frequent mistakes are clearly, CLEARLY not meant as jokes because they have no joke structure. There's no punchline, there's no humour to it at all, it's just a guy saying wrong things over and over with a straight face without being challenged. Like am I meant to believe someone watching it would go like: CS: There would have to be a generator here, and generators are loud. Viewer: Ahahahaha! What a hilarious thing to say! Fucking what? That makes no sense at all. You can admit they're crappy, lazily made videos and that you still enjoy them for what they are, I would actually respect that more. But don't pretend like the channel is playing 4D chess when they're clearly just pumping their videos out as quickly and haphazardly as possible for the money.

[@BlisaBLisa]

watching that vid of one of the cinemasins guys showing his process of making a video was enlightening lol he watches movies soley for content and its strange. he is just looking for "sins" the entire time to write down and it explains how he ends up saying dumb shit like the blade runner criticism about the technology being advanced but there still being social problems. or in his Get Out video he gave it a sin because "why would you only use black people though? surely it would be more efficient not to limit yourself to one race" or something like that and like, thats the whole point of the movie. he misses deeper things like themes because he doesnt watch movies like a normal person (or like a good film critic) he doesnt pay attention to anything other than nitpicks and doesnt engage with the movie beyond surface level.

[@JustThatOneRandomGuy]

I’ve been watching Cinemasins for so long and I always liked them (and this channel too cause it’s also funny), but more recently I’ve realised how less and less funny their videos are getting and how I’m watching their videos not because they are funny, but because I have a habit of doing so. I think this might be true for many Cinemasins fan: the enjoyment derived from watching their vids had decreased and masked by the routine of watching every single one of their videos. You did a good job bringing this issue up and I really do hope they improve on this. I also like the way you ended the video with the Amazing Spider-Man video because I also remember that video to be one of the best.

[@hectorbarrera8046]

>It's Satire! So is "Meet The Spartans" Date/Epic/Scary Movie. Should people *not* point out how crap they are.

[@LibertyLocalizer]

Epic Movie isn't bad. It's meant for comedy and is satire, which means you can't criticize it.

[@Ives268]

“You can be right and funny at the same time” I’m putting this in my back pocket

[@lexi3312]

How about poorly written satire? They kinda forgot that they are supposed to be pedantic but mostly right jackasses and started being just pedantic jackasses. And leaving out the mostly right part kinda ruins it.

[@oneghost1257]

I watched a lot of their videos when I was a toxic contrarian teen, but even then I was a bit confused and annoyed by the fact that especially then, he was dinging movies for having stuff to read when they start, but then also dinging them for having that text narrated, and then dinging them if they just had a narrator at all. Also, it's a known fact that you are incapable of having good opinions on movies if you do a crossover with Doug Walker sorry Cinema sins, ding

[@realambientasmr]

People always say CinemaSins is supposed to be a joke but they're almost never funny.

[@birdiejett3163]

I used to think people criticized Cinemasins for not being “deep, insightful film critique” which would be ridiculous, since that wasn’t their intention. But if they fail at what they actually intended to do with bad writing, then that is a very valid criticism of their content.

[@TheHatwolf]

You don't get it, Jay, it's terrible satire on purpose. Jeremy is playing a character. He is pretending to be terrible at satire by pretending to be a terrible reviewer of movies. So it's satire of satire of movies. Duh. So obvious.

[@garvin205]

is this also a satire? I hope it is.

[@TheHatwolf]

@@garvin205 (Yes)

[@gracekim1998]

Harakiriwolf oh I think I get it😅

[@60quidplustax76]

Homestuck levels of irony

[@jatkinson85]

The Poe's Law is strong with this one

[@jennali9800]

I'm a CinemaSins fan and I disliked this on reflex, but after watching I changed it to a like. Well-made video with sensible arguments. Good job, I don't change my prejudices easily.

[@brandonlyon730]

If we can’t criticize satire, then that means we can’t say anything bad to Jason Friedberg Aaron Seltzer movies like Epic movie or Distaster movie.

[@marcosviniciusbarbosafurta1366]

One of the things I hate about CinemaSins: They make mistakes, but instead of admitting they made mistakes, they say it was "on purpose"

[@MorningDusk7734]

The werewolf child's name is Winnie, because that's the same name as the werewolf from Scooby Doo, Monster School.

[@josuealmeida9571]

Cinemasins parodies with random videos are better than Cinemasins itself XD

[@LycoLoco]

Love the new name branding! Glad to know you're open to honest critique from other (such as th3birdman) unlike some other channel I certainly won't name.

[@tylermcc6328]

When I first seen your name in my Sub box I was confused.

[@theninjas2870]

I thought it was the person he was replying to...

[@ghostmanlemagnifique9110]

Cinema Sins is satire, ex-machina, cliché. DING! 😅🫤

[@robofistsrevenge3288]

Jeremy jumps from "intentionally wrong sins for the sake of comedy" to "actual sins using critical film analysis" too often in the same video, which further muddies the channel's intentions. It's satire one moment, then a serious critique the next. Which, frankly? I don't care. It's a dumb channel, but the Internet is filled with them, so the idea that they don't know what satire is is harmless to me. What ISN'T harmless is that CinemaSins is perpetuating the idea that it's funny and clever to point out minuscule or asinine plot holes in storytelling. It's not. Whenever a try-hard makes a big deal about a CinemaSins-level "observation" and people on Twitter applaud them, I feel like I'm back in high school. Everyone's trying to be edgy and ignoring the emotional reactions we should be allowing films to have on us in favor of trying to appear clever. By constantly being on the lookout for these types of plot holes, we're not allowing ourselves to lower our guard or be vulnerable enough to just ENJOY A MOVIE. So yeah, call it hyperbole, but that's why I think CinemaSins is a bad channel. Not because their content is inherently bad, per se, but because they're directly influencing an entire generation of mover-goers to NOT LIKE MOVIES.

[@TheMetaright]

I don't think it speaks well to the quality of a movie when you have to shut off your frontal lobe in order to enjoy it. Criticism is not the enemy of art.

[@DriverHenryWho3245]

Anyone notice that the same CS defender appears at 7:08 and 12:51? Jay really wasn't kidding when they said there aren't that many CinemaSins defenders lol.

[@Laura-qp9iw]

I honestly don't know why I still enjoy watching CinemaSins, but I do. Actually I think now I really like being able to watch a video by them and the corresponding cinemawins and sinssins videos. It feels like a whole conversation about the movie is happening on youtube, rather than just getting one person's opinion

[@annaaquaro4575]

i liked their content a lot better when it was mostly pointing out filming inconsistencies (i.e. objects or people moving/disappearing between shots) because it was something i wouldn't have noticed before and it felt like they had put more effort into watching the movies carefully. now, its all just "smart"-ass quips and cherrypicking scenes to find random things to sin

[@simonkawasaki4229]

Glad people are finally talking about this.

[@Cat-mv4gq]

Congrats on 40k subs Also I like the new channel name

[@helenarosno]

Parody and mockery are synonyms of satire, but I’m not a comedy expert (is that a thing?) anyway I agree with basically everything you said. Their older videos are really good, but they’ve attracted a ton of trolls and are making the mistake of listening to them

[@harrisonblock]

I do like cinemasins and I do recognise their inaccuracies, but largely don't care. I can see them myself and they don't really detract from the overall experience

[@thefakebanette3483]

Any thoughts on nostalgia critic?

[@trucetruce335]

2+2=1 U can’t criticize me it’s a joke

[@samarthmerwah]

"Thanks for making my dreams come true." Jay is so cute. 😙

[@coltonbates629]

8:56 is the way I've always felt (well, since the videos have taken a nose-dive in quality) but never had the words to express. It's perfect

[@BonkTheSixth]

You just don't understand the joke The joke is that Cinema Sins isn't satire and everyone who says it is are actually in on the joke, as the internet's potentially most elaborate troll yet. Clearly.