Everything Wrong With Independence Day Resurgence

[@jonny5777]

I watched this on my birthday and made my whole family watch too. It'll take a while before they all forgive me

[@charlesloftin8768]

😂

[@Joe-xo4yg]

😂 don’t hold your breath

[@mr-mz4ed]

lmao

[@That80sGuy1972]

If that was the first time you watched it too, that's very forgivable. If you watched it before they did then made them watch that... d^ck move (I assume you did it as a prank or something).

[@taitjones6310]

@@Zoe-rw1zo lmao

[@BruceWayne-xq1uf]

Gotta be thankful for cinema sins letting us watch movies we didnt wanna pay to see in theaters lol

[@eldonbadie7765]

Bruce Wayne True that.

[@rasgrizrevelations4145]

happy thanksgiving cinemasins thanks for all the awesome content.

[@MaxMoller04]

The ScribbleSquids Alol

[@pedrocarneirobatista9242]

well they dont know how to wite like me :) 6:30

[@yehboai5569]

Bruce Wayne ikr

[@BullsquidGaming]

Shouldn't the fact they they miraculously rebuilt all major cities in only 20 years also be a sin?

[@kaileewalden3586]

Alien technology ex-machina *DING*

[@thamostgangsta12]

SwiftFoxyGamer the fact that their ship came to the moon and landed on the earth in 22 mins movie time but took 9 minutes to get to the core was stupid

[@Darshanaz]

This is a stupid movie, no argument about that.But between earth and moon there's only empty space but between earth's surface and earth's outer core there are lot of solid materials that they need to remove to reach the core. If bullet fired at large body of water it will travel fast in air but once it hit the water, speed reduce greatly but may travel some distance under water.

[@paledrake]

SwiftFoxyGamer They missed alot of sins. The majority they made were joke bullshit sins. So yea, they aren't as good as they were before.

[@thamostgangsta12]

R TE I mean but they have ships that turn invisible, the size of a continent, faster than any earth vessel, more durable, able to turn invisible, has shields, supports an ecosystem, but the humans don't even have weapons that can break their shields and they can stop them. I honestly just wanted the aliens to win. And why is the African guy or the Asian girl even in the film? They were there for no reason half the time to try to pull off horrible jokes on the audience.

[@PKAPE004]

My Movie Sin for this movie: 20 years after having acquired alien anti-gravity technology, polluted yellow school buses are still being used.

[@SK4Madhi_Freal]

Facts!! I never thought of that. Good spot.👍🏽

[@kennyryan3176]

Well, to be fair it’s not like they could implement it into everything they had, more than likely the first priority would be using that technology for galactic defense, and if they could replicate that technology(which would take, years) to let along understand how the coding/electrical system works for the aliens and if they could even replicate/reproduce similar machines using alien tech, they may need special materials which are rare on earth but not in space

[@louisvictor3473]

​@@kennyryan3176 Uhhh... the movie showed that they were capable of replicating it and applying it to the most pointless mundane shit, like freaking jumbotron screens... you even watched this video, let alone the movie?

[@kobe_bean1017]

Same as in real life

[@DavidKnowles0]

To be honest that the best part. It make sense that all of earth resources were devoted to building a defence against the aliens, that the population was somewhat neglected. That why cities should have been in ruined, not rebuilt, poverty wide spread. jumbotron screens were stupid. There simply wasn't enough thought put into designing what the earth would be like.

[@Owool17]

I love the part when the movies like *"Nations have put their petty differences aside"* And he laughs his ass off!

[@kennyryan3176]

Yeah, 100% the nations would almost immediately go to war for who gets the best alien tech

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@kennyryan3176 Well, depends. In Stargate, such Questions ae actually handled better. Yeah, no kidding...

[@slevinchannel7589]

Wow. There's basically all Sins ever. From Sex Sells to Massive Plot Holes. Wow. I mean, misconceptions about Space and all that are wide-spread, but THIS?! They defeat an Alien-Species that has defeated a Thousand others for no reason. This is the stupid TV-Trope 'Humanity is Invincible' to an extreme degree!! They have totally powerless and totally overpowered characters who are 'pointless characters'... No one in Reality would behave like ANY of the Characters or Machines in this Movie. No one at all. 0% Compability!

[@slevinchannel7589]

@Kailyn Landwehr Yeah, but i liked that the movie said 'Petty'. I liked it.

[@erics.czernecki7333]

I imagine, as someone brought up, that the nation's would go to war over the alien technology, though it reminds me a bit of that South Park episode where they get "rich" off the space money they think was extravagant, and when anyone objects or raises suspicion, they just bombed them and feign shock that it was "erased".

[@Jim-pq9pm]

"Amazing how helpful China has become in movies over the last few years". This guy gets it.

[@andrewzheng4038]

So they can appeal to the Chinese market, because we're both getting richer and in larger numbers too!

[@aaronamerican5187]

And now it's becoming an issue due to recent events.

[@xMRxZEROx]

@EmperorJuliusCaesar They may invest in some of them. But the biggest reason China seems to be in everything and portrayed in a somewhat decent light is becuase American film makers know that if they can't satiate the Chinese movie market that they won't make as much of a profit overseas. You need to remember that America has a little over 300 million people living in it. Whereas China has over 1.3 BILLION people in it. So if you give people in China a reason to want to see your movie, you're garunteed an immensely larger profit. Plain and simple.

[@9mmsafetyalwaysoff00]

it's not about giving people in china a reason to see it, one line is not getting people to come. its about them even letting your film be shown in the first place. I just think it needs to be stated that china is in control of what it's citizens(if that) are allowed to see. We don't have to paint them in a positive light here :)

[@Tate525]

The Magic of CCP Money, wumao are happy everywhere hahaha !

[@bradhartliep879]

an "elite" squadron made up of 18 year olds as opposed to an elite squadron made up of pilots with actual flying experience 400 sins ..

[@mariaeddycesario3067]

Using young blood in Expendables 3 almos effed Barney Ross ...

[@Tate525]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jcIIXVIIIVII]

They're actually in their mid to late 20s with at least 6 or so years of experience under their belt

[@SjofnBM1989]

Patricia and Dylan would have both been 26. They were 6 in the original movie and 20 years have passed..... math isn't hard kid.

[@dragonborn5440]

@@jcIIXVIIIVII What experience? They (supposedly) haven't had any armed conflict, thus no experience or instincts gained. The fact that they coasted into the ship with no red flags going up said alot about the lack of experience in actual combat

[@ARhodeHouse]

"I wasn't jiggy enough" is the funniest thing that has ever been said on this channel

[@kittyhawk9707]

oh yeah ..side splitting to say the least .. i have been in hospital ..ever since i heard that line ..can't stop laughing and i keep shitting myself because of all the manic laughter .. End all comedy now..because nothing comes close to being as (un) funny as that line ..ever ..seriously till the end of time .. 10 million years from now . people will still be laughing like fuck at that line..

[@MogtheMad0422]

@@kittyhawk9707 🚨 *Butthurt Bitch Alert!* 🚨

[@slevinchannel7589]

Wow. There's basically all Sins ever. From Sex Sells to Massive Plot Holes. Wow. I mean, misconceptions about Space and all that are wide-spread, but THIS?! They defeat an Alien-Species that has defeated a Thousand others for no reason. This is the stupid TV-Trope 'Humanity is Invincible' to an extreme degree!! They have totally powerless and totally overpowered characters who are 'pointless characters'... No one in Reality would behave like ANY of the Characters or Machines in this Movie. No one at all. 0% Compability!

[@1pierrr]

I thought it was the alien v predator reference and the bar was set so low they’ve gone curling. 🤣

[@handleonafridge6828]

Slevin Channel what does this have to do with the actual comment?

[@CaptainHaddocck]

I remember walking out of the cinema thinking "can't wait to cinemasins go hard on this piece of shit of a movie"

[@jnezik1324]

Had that same feeling watching it. Poor remake of the first!!

[@Azire]

Do you guys sometimes hear "Ding. Roll credits." or "Ding. Nananana Cliché" in your mind when you watch a movie ? Because I totally do, and I'm questioning my sanity...

[@danielattrell]

Captain Haddock I was thinking the same thing, but with the Nostalgia Critic

[@DeniseF]

J nezik yeah.i was disappointed too .I love the first one.

[@bboss7874]

GeekGodess roll credits definitely

[@jackskatter.3888]

I loved independence day and i was so exited for this movie..and then it was so god awful i prayed there would not be a third independence day movie. Btw i asked Goldbloom about this when i got his autograph at megacon orlando. I went to his panel and he talks about how he really didn't like how the movie turned, I ask him why he stayed his reply " they payed me more because will smith wouldn't do it" i think that was a poor attempt at humor but it explains a bit.

[@jmferr2011]

Jack Skatter. #prayers4jeffgoldblum

[@aplicqu8761]

Well, you know when you sign up for a movie, you've got a contract and a contracted amount to be paid. If you skip out of the contract, I bet you don't get paid! So he stayed for the check. I don't think he was trying to be funny. He was just telling the truth. Sometimes when you go IN you don't really know how the film is gonna turn OUT.

[@monsterhanna6691]

I couldn't agree with you more. Why filmmakers? WHY?! 😭

[@airiakizuki5592]

I imagine the third movie is gonna be invading alien space so at least we'll get a Star Warszy space battle or three out of it. If the setting is on Earth again i'm boycotting the shit on the spot.

[@pwnorbepwned]

You know, that’s a good actor right there. Even if you don’t agree with the writing, you still bring your character to life.

[@Psycorde]

"Inferior Hemsworth"; "Discount John Oliver" I'm fucking dead

[@Psycorde]

"Man of Steal" bwaaaahahahaha

[@remembertotakeshowerspleas355]

10:40 "She's happy that she fucked one of those pilots before they took off and now that thing is no longer after her"

[@Psycorde]

tinwoods "Man of Steal", fuckwit

[@remembertotakeshowerspleas355]

tinwoods "Steal" because it was stolen from Man of Steel. Don't be a dick.

[@johntumahab323]

I feel so funky.

[@DrPlatypus1]

"Amazing how helpful China has gotten in movies in the last few years." 😂😂😂 well said my friend, well said

[@jayman1772]

Why is it sin tho? I get why USA is always the hero nation its Hollywood after all (more sin worthy than other nations helping no?). And the cold war stuff is rather outdated by now in the current world most often USA is the uncooperativ in global politics

[@sadev101]

@@jayman1772 because china is putting money in american movies a lot latelyand they require 1 at least one chinese character in it 2 make china look great. writers mut then change the story up to include these demands. its becomeing a trend. now i dont mind it so much but in some movies it becomes too "in your face" that it distracts because the changes required makes little sense

[@rafiyumahmood2446]

@@sadev101 lol take AMC for example. American Movie Company turned more into Asian Movie Company

[@itsthedanielshow4156]

I think getting china to be helpful in movies is just an attempt to ask china to spare us when it inevitably takes over the world.

[@jayman1772]

@@itsthedanielshow4156 I am pretty sure the US would rather destroy the world than to let that happen xD. For the US its either them or no one.

[@TheTransferPoint]

15:12 how can you not sin the fact that even though the world was ending, President Whitmore STILL HAD TIME TO SHAVE?!

[@betanick14]

r142a_7795 xD omfg

[@harryunderhill5041]

And after he shave his whole face was the same color. No pasty face half beard tan line. Because President Whitmore has time to shave AND apply makeup.

[@MateDrinker33]

r142a_7795 It's still not as stupid as them forgetting to sin the continuity error that occurs in the middle of "Contact" when Jody Foster is depicted magically gaining a bra after exiting the house where she fucks Matthew McConaughey's character even though during the sex scene itself immediately before this she is clearly filmed putting on her shirt WITHOUT also first putting her bra on.

[@masterpenguin8472]

This movie already has enough problems with it anyways.

[@Klm49]

MateDrinker33 -> it's Jodi Foster.

[@brainflash1]

"Directed toward deep space"? So virtually EVERY direction then?

[@Avager]

No, the Deep space is to the right, to the left you can see the shallow space and up and down is just the simple space.

[@MadGenius]

Our model for orbital dynamics carries over to whatever solar systems we might find ourselves in. As far as we can tell, the laws of physics are universal they certainly hold true on these “small” scales.

[@brainflash1]

What about "safe space"?

[@angryreader8857]

Mad Genius You just said somethings super-obvious, but in a smart-sounding way

[@davesyndrome1097]

I had assumed "deep space" meant "out of the galactic plane"

[@LadyViscera]

Wouldn't a giant plasma cutter drilling a hole through the crust and mantle completely screw up the tectonic plates and cause earthquakes?

[@lindsag345]

Or drain the fucking ocean? Drilling almost 4K miles deep, you’d thing there’d be some pretty big drain action happening.

[@magicmulder]

That hole was so small on a global scale that it wouldn't do much damage to the planet.

[@Arbron]

Hershey11 - To be fair we'd already discarded the effects of enormous spaceships hovering over cities in the last movie. Of all this movie's problems, that one can at least claim to be justified.

[@thetechnocrat4979]

TheIronAntelope Yup! ID4 + 2012.

[@mushypork1272]

so as a giant spaceship with "its own gravity"

[@em9565]

I will just accept Enders Games as the inofficial sequel to Independence Day and forget this thing right here ever existed...^^

[@Buzzy_Bland]

What, the movie? You want to replace it with something even worse?

[@gabrieljernigan8443]

They never do good jobs with movies, and I didnt expect the best with Enders Game when I first saw the movie. I'm glad my dad actually made me read the book first

[@kiprandom7208]

I like your idea better

[@pasaesballard3601]

That cool

[@dustyv8sound]

Elysium would be a more realistic unofficial sequel to Independence Day

[@Owen02_]

Oh god when I was watching this in the cinema all I could think about was this channel lol

[@imaginado4534]

I did the same for the first 10 min or so.. then I fell asleep... =P

[@khurshidabegum4960]

Why hell yeah dude. CinemaSins resolves a part of my life, to say but the least. For the moment. That is.

[@imaginado4534]

Long live CinemaSins!

[@francisnjoroge]

I know.. Me too. Cinemasins made me start watching movies just to see what will be nitpicked in the sins video

[@Ravemaster620]

I was planning on watching this at one point. I'm glad I didn't

[@mannersmakythman]

Oh my god PLEASE do Sharkboy and Lavagirl in 3-D I am BEGGING YOU

[@mannersmakythman]

also The Core

[@lizziayers]

Char Rar Sharkboy and Lava Girl is the absolute worst movie YES

[@december9452]

The thing about that is EVERYTHING is wrong with shark boy and lava girl

[@varck7935]

How dare you all. That movie was my fucking life as a kid.

[@anhnghiem4848]

Varck

[@buckwrestling]

They left out a sin.... when Bill Pullman sacrifices himself to save everyone... only to have the alien drop her shell and still be alive. Pointless sacrifice should be a sin.

[@Servellion]

Speaking of sacrifice: Not one mention of Russell Case, the man who downed the first city destroyer and showed the Aliens are not unbeatable.

[@kabouterwesley83]

Was also expecting a Harry Stamper reference.

[@Rayray18999]

@@Servellion that pissed me off

[@LS-to6el]

@@Servellion His name appeared in a memorial at the beginning of the movie

[@jacobschmitt2497]

Master Asia I think the only “mention” of him was at the beginning of the movie when they started the opening shot of DC with a close up on a monument of the dead and his name was on there

[@SKINNYGINGERTOP]

_"Months before the Brexit vote"_ It's now been nearly three years since this video, and Brexit has still not happened yet.

[@alexwest2514]

Be thankful, pleb, that your overlords have enough disdain for your opinion that they're willing to ignore democracy.

[@SKINNYGINGERTOP]

@@alexwest2514 All hail the mighty overlords.

[@andrewbaumann2661]

@@alexwest2514 I can't even tell whether you're for or against brexit.

[@alexwest2514]

@@andrewbaumann2661 im for mayocide so anti brexit

[@aaronbradley3232]

Has it been that fuking long?

[@WhoIsTadhg]

IDR - Liam Hemsworth shows up to save the Earth: *yawn* Infinity War - Chris Hemsworth shows up to save the Earth: *thunderous applause*

[@DarknessIsThePath]

Cuz Liam cant act for shit lol

[@khristacrawford724]

@@DarknessIsThePath tea spilled

[@patrickgogan3517]

Only one has some screen presence the other is practically invisible

[@loraxdavewalters2696]

One Hemsworth it, the other kinda meh.

[@kirana6496]

_thunderous_ I see what you did there

[@JohnnyKronaz]

"I wasn't jiggy enough" I fuckin lost it.

[@hornetgags]

I loved the 'It Follows' reference at 10:40

[@steverotters3218]

There goes HBO again...

[@CrusaderJacky]

hah, sexual joke XD

[@stevrms]

Easily one of the best references and delivery in a long time for these vids, hard to get great laughs now but that was a great one.

[@calvinharris4850]

OMG, I literally LMAO!!!

[@APerson-qm5um]

Who else thought that when Jeff goldblum was driving the school bus he would say "must go faster" and make a Jurassic park reference.

[@TheBraunMachine2011]

I really thought either he was gonna say it or one of the kids would lol.

[@dougsmith6262]

Just one of missed opportunities in this movie.

[@DerekHartley]

Becuase 'Must go faster' would be a callback to Independence Day in the first instance?

[@LKDesign]

Well, at least we got the _creature-appears-in-left-sidemirror_ thing.

[@wilmanric2277]

I thought more of "Banzai: Adventures arcoss the Fith Dimention".... Sorry, I am drunkl....

[@andiward7068]

20yrs is plenty of time to become a Dr. and is expensive. Stripping pays well and has flexible scheduling.

[@mushypork2132]

yeah, all the strippers i know have become MDs in just 7. It's usually the most common career path for strippers.

[@daddyhavoc3931]

Most of the strippers I knew said they were working their way thru nursing school. 15 yrs later, they’re just meth heads lol

[@julianathejaded7051]

Yeah but she expressed no prior desire for this career and was in fact SO proud of how much she loved stripping she told the First Lady 🤷‍♀️ She never said "Im only doing this to pay my way through med school" or "dont feel bad, its just a means to an end my real dream is to become a Dr" she OWNED that shit and good on her. Also if she was going to go study to be a Dr she would have to go back to school and spend less time with her son which goes against what she said about why she strips, and if her dream was to become a Dr why was Will Smiths character thinking of ending things because "you cant marry a stripper." Not to mention the world is in ruin, so what University would be operating that quick AND it takes a good 8-9 years to become a Dr once you do your residency etc so even if technically possible it goes against what would be realistic for the character and those circumstances.. so really it was just terrible terrible writing lol.

[@JennifuhhGilardi]

@@mushypork2132 y’all hate ‘‘em when they’re strippers and hate ‘‘em when they move on

[@kevinpatrickcarey3741]

@@julianathejaded7051 this is one of the first movies i noticed forced Wokeness being injected into everything. They even made that scientist we trhought was killed in the last movie freaking GAY lol

[@almogdov]

Because of CinemaSins every time I watch a movie I notice the logos. It was so refreshing that Fantastic beasts had no logos at all and the movie simply started.

[@lucyseaberg4902]

Do a sins on that movie please lol

[@Honeymuffin]

It had the Warner Bros Logo :D But still this logo scene was fucking epic with the Harry Potter Music. :D

[@almogdov]

It doesn't really count, the music starts and you're in the story

[@josephglatz25]

How come in the world of Independence Day Resurgence, we got space capable fighter jets, space helicopters, and bases on the moon but we still use the same old airliners? How come we don't have transport booths, or hyper-sonic airliners that go from New York to Paris in an hour?

[@AvoidTheCadaver]

Because. REASONS. *ding*

[@TAKIZAWAYAMASHITA]

You forgot to add, why we have a fully operational intact mothership in africa that nobody occupied and that after all these years of mastering alien tech we dont have shield generators on every fucking thing and we have no warships, space fighers are okay but as the aliens showed SHIPS is where its at you telling me the navy didnt retrofit all its ships for space and didnt make any star ships? i guess if they did something logical and smart the movie would be a generic star wars/star trek if they had space ships to fight with.

[@HALLish-bl3bm]

We have supersonic fighters, VTOLs and spacecraft, yet we still use the same old subsonic airliners. Civilian tech sucks.

[@zmadbassist]

I think what you're looking for is civilian tech is *affordable*

[@alieninthevideo441]

Joseph Glatz or tube transportation?!

[@GeeVanderplas]

This movie was bad, but hey, we finally got your "there goes HBO again" gag again :)

[@nobodyfromnowwhere7510]

Yeah, because it is ok for them to repetitive making the same old jokes as long as nobody else does it.

[@matohibiki]

It is ok, because none of us have to pay for a running gag.

[@HyperKadaj]

It could've been worse. The characters, including the hostile aliens, could've broken out into random cheesy musical numbers.

[@katyrosy124]

+HyperKadaj XD JESUS FUCKING CHRIST NO

[@KitsuneShapeShifter]

That would've been incredible

[@moonshineandwater]

"We've lowered the bar to the point we're not even high-jumping anymore, we're curling" is the best thing I've heard in a long time xDD

[@StephenGillie]

The movie would have been way better if Ms Frizzle was on that Magic Bus.

[@supersizesenpai]

lol

[@MateDrinker33]

Stephen Gillie This brings back memories. :D

[@t1nal1n]

The bus races away with an alien on it's heels. Camera focuses on the people inside the bus. Mrs. Fizzle pops out of thin air. "IT'S THE MAGIC SCHOOL BUS!"

[@grimm_plush]

Hope to god Carlos and his insufferable puns are not on that Magic Bus.

[@catyyum6125]

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BEST JOKE! 10/10!

[@Milnoc]

"Discount John Oliver." LOL! Saw the movie last night. After that, I knew there would be a CinemaSins release somewhere!

[@305dadecountyy]

19:33 the sphere said once there alien queen is killed There ship will be recalled by another alien queen somewhere in the galaxy or universe

[@scottwagner646]

"Discount John Oliver" honestly made me LOL loudly. I even surprised myself.

[@dragonsword7370]

I thought that joke up too and was glad I wasn't Alone lol!

[@g.d.graham2446]

Yep

[@sulacomarine]

Another sin: 2:11 Roland Emmerich saw Armageddon, slammed his fist on the table and said "we need to get that exact same actor to play a space commander!" (William Fichtner)

[@DerEinzige21]

Good catch

[@nomadnevermadbetelgeuse9803]

the president's world speech over the radio was a scene from Armageddon

[@inkedseahear]

I just realize how did the Humans mess up with the second invasion. Almost everyone was another one relative, making the defense corps likely a corrupt bureaucratic mess than unified human armed forces. Or just because of the massive destruction we're left with whoever's left.

[@mechanicaldavid4827]

Not bureaucratic - you're probably thinking "nepotistic".

[@xirocastgaming4809]

Why did the aliens choose THE ONLY INHABITED PLANET IN OUT SOLAR SYSTEM TO REFUEL!!!?? They could have chosen mars, Venus, or mercury, but NOOOOOOOO, it HAS to be the planet that can fight back! +1 sin.

[@creepermman]

XiroCastGaming I mean, technically earth and Venus are the only geologically active bodies in the solar system, so really it's a fifty fifty chance of choosing the terrestrial planet with an active core. but they could have just used the sun, so it's still a sin, but that sin is in the video.

[@BulletTooth504]

Io is actually the most geologically active body in the solar system. But since it is uninhabited, the aliens going there for fuel would have made this film about as thrilling as a stop at a gas station.

[@VetinariClone]

It still probably would have been a better film.

[@bigdcd664]

+6,987,000,000 Sins for everyone in the world.

[@yuutsukun3798]

Peter Francis Grammar +1 sin

[@karimamin2]

"Better come and see this cliche" I lol every time he says that. Happens in every movie

[@shadowbrain4814]

I love how you started laughing hysterically at the 'nations have put their petty differences aside' bit. I'd be laughing my ass off too. There is no way in hell the human race is ever going to reach that point.

[@Specific_Hazard]

Fast forward four years and the world went to hell.

[@g.d.graham2446]

Agreed

[@TheWarmachine375]

Celestial Being: "Bruh."

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

Fr 💀

[@SunsGeek]

"I know were not on good terms with Aliens but thats racist." So funny.

[@Suisfonia]

Ironically it's also the only time that the word racist would truly apply (since aliens are not humans, and thus the word wouldn't apply when used between two humans)

[@Mikey-ym6ok]

Everything wrong in 2 seconds.. The entire film

[@rxonmymind8362]

One second. Director.

[@buchan448]

lol

[@davidsworld5837]

is not the director he is doing what the writer has written so in one second its the so called writer of the script.

[@randehmarsh40689]

They should just retcon this movie and try again with a different director, different writers and different actors

[@MogtheMad0422]

Or just come up with an original idea, and stop with remakes, and sequels. That would be amazing

[@mrbojangles8133]

@@MogtheMad0422 hollywood would be shocked at such an idea

[@achtsekundenfurz7876]

As somebody else suggested, _Ender's Game_ is the "true" sequel to Independence Day.

[@randehmarsh40689]

@Tmoscofee Santos atrocity*

[@hueytlatoani1177]

And different name.

[@andmos1001]

"Please applose" I applose

[@thehallowayboys]

Anders Mostue

[@delanohop]

Don't forget ight there at 6:33

[@jaredkrol3739]

6:29 that spaceship ight there

[@ejromm]

Thomas Galyean too*

[@andretan8489]

Jared Krol a sin to the sin counter

[@DarcyCardinal]

ID4 in my opinion, didn't need to have a sequel.

[@TheNefastor]

Darcy Cardinal plus to be honest it should have been called ID5 :-D

[@andaikatalah]

ID4 means Independence Day 4th Of July. The second movie's short name is ID4

[@andaikatalah]

IDR*

[@TheNefastor]

That was a joke, dude.

[@GoatPopsicle]

BUT, could you imagine a gritty, r-rated sequel about hunting down aliens who survived, and are running a guerrilla campaign in various parts of the world. It could be in the forested areas of the NWest US, the jungles of Africa, the mountains or Europe, and finally the Delta/river-lands of Asia. The Aliens would have human followers, who worship them as gods, and others who describe them as demons. Now imagine that it's a Tarantino movie.

[@TheVortexUnleashed]

4:41 HE DIED IN THE FIRST MOVIE, death by strangulation by alien tentacle! So tell me? How was he in a “coma” he died

[@Graphomite]

He was only mostly dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead.

[@Arbron]

"Only mostly dead. Try finding that option on government paperwork." -SolarisParadox

[@strawberryrhubarbs]

He was dead... tired!

[@aprilnewton4052]

@@Graphomite princess bride

[@SA80TAGE]

nowhere in the previous movie were we the audience ever explicitly told or shown he was dead. The aliens can't use dead bodies to communicate.... that was your biggest clue.

[@Leo40214]

I read this as “everything is wrong with Independence Day resurgence” And you’ll be goddamn right

[@OrionKaelinClips]

19:30 the sphere _did_ say that ship would get recalled to other queen ships when its queen dies.

[@dichotomousrascal3496]

My question is how the hell the Sphere knew that when she explicitly states, "It's never been done before..."

[@mr.nobody9697]

It makes sense if you dont think about it.

[@HiddenSpaces23154]

No one cares because this film is shit

[@AgentZombieMan]

Budget: 165 million USD Box Office: 389.7 million USD Sorry to say, but get ready for Independence Day; Revengance

[@KnightsaysNi]

AgentZombieMan The movie was a financial success because they banked on nostalgia to sell tickets. I do agree this will sadly result in a sequel, but I hardly expect a repeat of those numbers.

[@AgentZombieMan]

Oh absolutely not

[@mjjj539]

"Revengance" RULES OF NATURE

[@AgentZombieMan]

scockery Yeah, but I doubt they put 200M into marketing

[@danielopolot4198]

Minus the theatres cut, and I imagine they would have poured a lot of money into marketing, it's Independence Day 2, I remember seeing it everywhere here in London.

[@sauce242]

Everything Wrong With Bee Movie

[@angryreader8857]

Luke - Ario Everything Wrong with Bee Movie 1000x faster

[@Kodama867]

Would love to see that movie get eviscerated. It'd probably get that bonus round just for all the bee puns alone. Like beestiality.

[@hleghe810]

Double Shrekt "everything wrong with the bee movie in 0:0.0000001 secconds or less"

[@childeater7327]

Luke - Ario there is no fault in perfection

[@DeniseF]

Luke - Ario why does everyone want him to do that film so bad?

[@westroop6342]

Every movie should hire "cinema sins" before releasing a film

[@cineMADvocate]

Even cinema sins would laugh at this. Just a hint: YOU are who they are making fun of when they talk about the audience taking their movies too seriously. Even CS admits the vast majority of their sins are jokes and nitpicks.

[@mattirzzmattimuss]

Hell, when they write the script.

[@rubix4195]

Every film has sins...

[@amichaeld2229]

Wouldn't be good at kids movies lol

[@DranKof]

Then there would never be any movies! :-D

[@FourForceUniverse]

Everything Wrong With Independence Day Resurgence: It exists.

[@GuardianGrarl]

That can only be said about Bayformers: Age of Entertainment Extinction...

[@Andromedon777]

Can. You. Believe. That. They. Are. F*cking. Releasing. Another. Transformers......

[@actionjackson3522]

This is accurate: A sequel wasn't needed.

[@ESO_PRIME]

A-10 Thunderbolt II Luckily it's Bay's last TF film. Supposedly they got a group of 30 writers who have been working for the past 3 years on the next 6 TF films without Bay. I have high hopes on those! It might be a reboot.

[@Joemamaaa623]

Abhishek Dwivedula shut up hater

[@miguelvarela1634]

I’m watching so much cinemasins I’m actively criticizing movies as I watch them.

[@rileyemmett3166]

Same

[@Jilker]

Haha same! "Sir, you got to see this". Me: Take a look at this cliché!

[@FarikoWishless]

"By an inferior Hemsworth" Wow that was just cruel 😂.

[@Jemppu]

Truth hurts? ;)

[@paulmajano]

Jemppu hahahaha🤣

[@TheNefastor]

Fariko Wishless yeah, "lesser" would have been slightly nicer.

[@rilluma]

lol the baby thor

[@TheNefastor]

Or the mini-Thor, you know, as in Minotaur ? :-D

[@Pharry_]

I love the mothership that conveniently fits perfectly around the circumference of the Earth

[@kevinbacon8254]

Does any one remember in the original one when they show the world celebration of victory when they show the "African" people it's a small tribe raising spears?

[@JayBelafonte]

Kevin Bacon Oh yeah I remember complaining about how politically incorrect it was

[@aplicqu8761]

if you;re looking for political correctness, you are with the wrong director!!

[@SA80TAGE]

@@JayBelafonte uhhh... hate to break it to your "politically correct" badass self, but tribes like that still exist today.

[@JayBelafonte]

Samur/Aye Africa has many counties that are the same as "1st" world countries around the world, that posses major urban city areas. The ships in Independence Day hovered over major cities around the world. The Aliens would have been covering a major city and not the African Bush lands.

[@SA80TAGE]

@@JayBelafonte except all of the ships were on the move after already destroying the major cities... but nice try... FYI, that tribe looked more Australian aboriginal than African. Yet all you fine PC folks instantly assume "African because tribe!"... not very politically correct of you. ;)

[@ishandvd]

you get a sin for missing the 'r' in 'right', second line first word at 6:30

[@ishandvd]

ding

[@Aflay1]

You got a sin for pointing out a flaw. You Nancy.

[@Aflay1]

ding

[@MateDrinker33]

Ishan Dwivedi I caught that shit, too! :D

[@DogWick]

seeing that intro again for independance day 2 gave me vietnam war flashbacks

[@tiaandeswardt7741]

Semper fi, my friend. Where were you during the Tet Offensive?

[@tiaandeswardt7741]

dennnis2781 Much love, long time?

[@babserella2778]

+10 points for having an AVI that shows Deadpool's unhappy face after Francis escapes.

[@MrWtheck]

I almost peed my pants when he said “I wasn’t jiggy enough”

[@kittyhawk9707]

I shat myself with just how hilarious that that line is.. Game over ..end all comedy now .. nothing can beat that .. all the poor people filling up hospitals after splitting their sides after laughing like fuck at that line ..

[@air03man]

Are they gonna make us wait another 20 years for "independence day 3" ?

[@xfinafire]

Roland Emmerich would be dead by then, so, I hope so.

[@TheNefastor]

steve blum we need time to recover

[@PHILMKD95]

Now this one is just too HILARIOUS XD

[@shatendraseethiah2217]

steve blum After this wreck of a movie, no one wants a third one

[@TheNefastor]

Krishen That Nerd Seethiah actually I do. I hated the 1st one because the pre-release propaganda promised us tons of alien / exoarmor combat and didn't deliver... but the second one was a great *comedy* and there isn't enough sci-fi comedy in the world. If there's going to be another *4* effing Avatar movies, then there _needs_ to be an "ID4 III : Revengeance"

[@JockKowboy]

Just realized that now that Disney has bought Fox, we just may get a third movie in this series (which honestly, I'm all for). Keep making these videos though, CinemaSins, love 'em all!

[@EyEnOtgAy]

This movie felt like a big budget straight to DVD sequel

[@SB992REBORN]

no

[@bittybaff3541]

How can you not tell that Goldbloom's line 'what goes up must come down' is clearly talking about the objects from Earth caught in the tractor beam?

[@adornoir]

"discount john oliver" just slayed me.

[@neonskye4564]

Do "eveything wrong with the bee movie"

[@zamoraaz7392]

Neon Skye I agree

[@AnHRTBus]

Neon Skye "everything wrong with the bee movie but....

[@no.1appastan]

AnHRTBus OMFHSGV DONT PLAY

[@hanni39]

and everytime he says bee it gets faster

[@zamoraaz7392]

Mitchell De Nardis the movie is pretty flawless

[@tha_karatejoe]

Gotta give it to them.. That big alien looked bad ass... Like some warframe type shit

[@RYNOCIRATOR_V5]

lol warframe *likes comment*

[@masterpenguin8472]

Not to mention the awesome destruction scenes and cool alien ship designs.

[@lmjones7716]

It was just a copy of the alien queen from Aliens. Nothing new.

[@aethelwulf7819]

An additional sin is that the proportions of the queen's ship are inconsistent throughout the movie. During the introductory scene of the ship's arrival, its gargantuan size engulfs 1/3rd of the planet, but during the fight scene, it is half the size because it takes only a few minutes for the jets to reach the centre of the ship despite the fact the queen's central command would have been positioned over the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Moreover, you can still see inland from the centre of the ship. Oh, and the size of the queen's personal carrier is hopelessly inconsistent if you compare the size of the established shot of the ship over earth and the one near the end of the movie. Roland utterly ruined his legacy by producing this monstrosity. Personally, I would have settled for a comic book which delves deep into the lore of the Harvesters.

[@OiVader]

Happy I didn't waste money on this shitty movie.

[@TufteMotorsport]

Would rather throw my eyes into the lake than watch this.

[@st3gosaurus]

Oi Vader it was truly terrible

[@emkii1640]

im happy too. I think this would one of the movies, where i leave the cinema before the credits roll out.

[@jmorrison230582]

and not in a "so bad it's good" way either. Purgatory.

[@OiVader]

How Lonely are you? Get a life bud.

[@freestylingwhistler]

"i wasn't jiggy enough" hahaha

[@The_Inspiration_86]

I wasn't jiggy enough lmfao!!!😂😂😂

[@The_Inspiration_86]

Neptune pneumonia lmfao!!!😂😂😂

[@craigs6045]

Daaaamn son, you are really enjoying yourself

[@Aedrieus]

17:40 If you shout while attacking, you have a higher crit chance.

[@lise6303]

omg right after the Neptune pneumonia joke, the kid at 19:17 sticks his hand in alien goo. I can't.

[@nezZario]

You are a good person for pointing this out. hahahahahaha

[@steve369powell2]

So the one dude wakes up from a coma after all those years and his muscles have not atrophied? And you failed to bring that one up on your account that's two counts on my counter.

[@Huels]

Cinema sins is lazy lately. This channel use to get every little sin right. Now I find myself pointing out where they failed on some major areas.

[@Capri_00]

Watch the videos at their website. More sins!!

[@kevinpatrickcarey3741]

apparently it turned him into a butt pirate also

[@EdTube444]

It would have been interesting if they had changed the orbit of the moon a little because of the mass of the original mothership. Also the mother ship in this movie at 3,000 miles across would change the orbit of earth not to mention the volume of atmosphere it displaced and the potential repercussions of that.

[@luisgomez8635]

6 years late, but sources for your theory are required

[@EdTube444]

@@luisgomez8635 Physics class

[@InvaderTan1]

​@@EdTube444 Wow I don't think I've ever seen anyone respond to a 6-year-old comment before. That's wild!

[@EdTube444]

@@InvaderTan1 To be fair they did point out "6 years late" right at the beginning. Threads never die apparently.

[@jessaminehaak8253]

The joke about It Follows is actually a really interesting question. Like, what actually WOULD happen if you slept with an astronaut just before they went into space in that movie universe. Does the monster have a "well this is clearly bullshit so I'm just going to default back to the previous target" mode or does it... spend the rest of eternity trying to leap into space? Or is it able to very slowly walk by the power of dark magic to the International Space Station, leading to a terrifying ghost movie up there?

[@vm9522]

Only 158?? Cinemasins you disappoint!

[@WoodBlock707]

VM 9 lol that was 20 mins ago try 1k now.

[@SumDumGy]

I knew this movie would be crap. I've been saying it! I've been saying it for ten damn years! Ain't I been saying it, Miguel?

[@donnamccray7346]

Don't you mean twenty damn years, Russell??

[@aoescool]

Classic

[@tomdotson6053]

Oh that was great)

[@Arbron]

"From all accounts, Robert Emmerich, Jeff Goldblum and Independence Day have been left ruins." "Good GOD!"

[@troutwarrior6735]

Hehe I see what you did there 😂

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

You know, before a movie gets released, it should go through a screening process. First, it should be shown to a six year old child, and if that child thinks it's stupid, you need to fix it. Second, it should be shown to Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and if he thinks it's stupid, you need to fix it. And thirdly, they should have Cinema Sins and Honest Trailers cover their initial rough cut and force the entire production to watch it at least twice.

[@Arbron]

Regarding Neil DeGrasse Tyson, these movies most likely DO have people in the production team with actual science knowledge pointing stuff out. Those in charge most likely directly say "we don't care." See: Lucy, and its propagation of the "90% of your brain" myth. Surely someone in the CAMERA CREW if nothing else was capable of basic Google searching, or was a casual reader of Cracked.com, or whatever. When they brought it up, they were likely asked "do you have millions of dollars to fund a different script?" and told to shut up.

[@soarlozer2808]

Neil Degrasse Tyson would have stopped the original ID4 from being made or fixed lmao. Six year old filter would have been enough to stop this PoS from being made though.

[@davidj3841]

Roses are red Violets are violet Neil DeGrasse Tyson Should sometime stay quiet

[@ravenrose5712]

4:02 Maybe she was working her way through med school. It's definitely more interesting character development then ending up just a housewife or something.

[@xxkfcrockersxx2001]

Everything wrong with the Bee Movie

[@taurinserotonin9994]

Bee Movie is a masterpiece

[@fandomtrash3479]

yesssss

[@silentlysable4023]

XxKFCrockersxX yes.

[@theinfinityeffect3244]

I would like 2 C this

[@SoffiCitrus]

XxKFCrockersxX Impossible. It's perfect.

[@RandallStevenson]

I get the feeling the actual movie wouldn't be nearly as good as the cinema sins cut

[@saxyrep1]

Randall Stevenson You would be right to think so...

[@woodside4life]

The actual movie wasn't jiggy enough

[@AvoidTheCadaver]

Anytime you think might want to watch a movie, just wait for a EWW on it before rushing out to see it.

[@BulletTooth504]

+AvoidTheCadaver If there is a movie I want to see, then I'll avoid the EWW video until after seeing it. If I'm not that interested in seeing it (like with I:R), I'll watch the EWW vid.

[@TheHappychondriac]

The very existence of this sequel that no one wanted is the biggest sin.

[@Arbron]

It's the era we live in. "What independent (hurr) movie, classic or otherwise, will have a genre-shifting sequel with too much CGI bullshit next?"

[@harvestercommander3250]

Well except for the concept.

[@averymerrick]

We wanted this, but with Will Smith.

[@jamesxm4240]

Harvester Commander lol apparently CGI haters want people to actually go to space beyond the solar system to get nice shots of cosmos and galaxys 🤣🤣

[@SA80TAGE]

@@harvestercommander3250 Yep, all those successful millionaire directors are SUPER retards huh... tell me, how much successful movies you've made? I mean shit, all those CGI additions to Star Wars A New Hope made the movie SO much better, right?

[@jedy0101]

I've only just found this awesome channel. It makes me laugh out loud! Keep it up dude!

[@JoseLopez-eh8dc]

Anyone else catch the "It follows" reference at 10:39 😂

[@aw3299]

Jose Lopez That's what I thought it was! Lol.

[@melting__lead]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[@TheBraunMachine2011]

That was great lol, loved that bit hehe

[@kristinrandall2681]

Jose Lopez -- Good catch dude! I was wondering about that one.

[@wk3818]

That was a creepy movie.

[@marshall7590]

The shittest movie ever, thank you cinema sins. You made my year

[@aracuscesar]

it was pretty terrible, i couldnt even watch it the first time, i fell asleep

[@jccjccjoanne]

4:21 In Chinese culture, we call every older male family friend as uncle and every older female family friend as auntie, even though we are not related.

[@9292098]

Still, somebody's somebody's somebody. This doesn't justify the sin.

[@jccjccjoanne]

9292O98 not saying it's not a sin. I think having a Chinese Actress in big title movie (and their present doesn't affect storyline) to bring in Chinese audience is worth 1000 sins. I didn't see this movie, but based on the review of this movie on Chinese movie website, they view this as a money grabbing move and consider Angelababy (yes that is this Chinese actress's name) role in this movie as useless to the plot.

[@9292098]

I wonder how much did the milk company pay to have its milk branded as "moon milk". This movie went a bit too much to suck it up for the Chinese audience.

[@coderbert3996]

9292O98 idk but that company is the largest milk Corp in China. They don't lack money.

[@9292098]

Yea and they had a huge scandal a few years ago. They put melamine in milk to fake the protein content, causing numerous cases of infants having defects.

[@SparkBerry]

Watching this movie was like waking up on Christmas morning and there's nothing under the tree.

[@alexanderolson6365]

yeah dude... I'm here after just watching it because it was 4.99 in the iTunes Store but I still want my $$$'s back 😂

[@jpalmer999]

why didn't the ship pull stuff up when it was leaving? surely the gravity field isn't just something you turn on and off?

[@cooldude2251]

Movie logic. They already had one scene where it pulled stuff up. It was ending so never mind the worry that it would suck up a lot of the ocean and drop it down upon land causing widespread flooding.

[@LadyTanyaNY]

Exactly! This movie doesn't know or care how gravity works.

[@icet0p100]

Idk, I may be wrong about this, but I saw some sort of beams that bring up the stuff, you can see like blue beams, and when they turned off, everything fell. I could be wrong but that is what i saw.

[@haassteambraker9959]

jpalmer999 honestly, with its speed. I'm suprised the sudden decrease in air pressure didn't suck anything in.

[@jpalmer999]

Hadn't thought about that but you are absolutely correct it should have.

[@Noobazzah]

That China comment though, getting me all paranoid!

[@enderzilla747orleomiranda8]

Noobazzah Ayy, didn't expect you here.

[@AmaranthOriginal]

Not sure why it'd get you paranoid. It's simple: the Chinese market is rapidly becoming the most relevant film market on the planet.

[@hleghe810]

Noobazzah ?

[@thejunkmanlives]

its only relevant cause they watch shit. Thats the only reason we have 5 transformers movies now. Yes it hurts movies as a whole.

[@Noobazzah]

Enderzilla747™ or Leo Miranda Damn son.

[@Cinnamonbearcdc]

Vogon Poetry! Perfect description. You crack me up.

[@satanofficial3902]

Oh freddled gruntbuggly, Thy micturations are to me, As plurdled gabbleblotchits, in midsummer morning On a lurgid bee, That mordiously hath blurted out, Its earted jurtles, grumbling Into a rancid festering confectious organ squealer. Now the jurpling slayjid agrocrustles, Are slurping hagrilly up the axlegrurts, And living glupules frart and stipulate, Like jowling meated liverslime, Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes, And hooptiously drangle me, With crinkly bindlewurdles, mashurbitries. Or else I shall rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon,

[@monkeybusiness673]

The best line in the entire movie is "The ship's more than 3.000 miles in diameter." The moon has a diameter of just over 2k miles. Yes, the ship is probably not as massive, but man that would cause some serious havoc what with the gravity and all. Gotta love the over-the-top science babble and "Oh boy, hese aliens really are scary!" x'D

[@JShakur]

Sin number 52, minute 6:33 ish, you´re missing an r after spaceship, infront of the "ight", directly at the beginning of the 2.nd line

[@SaurianStudios1207]

this movie is one of the ugliest sequels ever in history I agree with you cinemasins independence day resurgence is horrible

[@victornoel36]

I wasn't disappointed because I wasn't expecting anything from this movie from the time I've seen the trailer.

[@bryanneideffer3969]

Brian Espana the big alien was like aliens where has original thought gone!

[@SaurianStudios1207]

i hated the first movie for being unoriginal and basically coping off star wars like this movie id rather watch star wars as oppose to this piece of garbage or the first piece of garbage (id4 1996)

[@Durandurandal]

I was hoping it'd just be not!X-COM, the movie.

+The BandogThe Bandog I agree. Also Star Wars sucked for a sci-fi. It was a lame fantasy story set in space and a poor basic story at that. If people want to watch a good sci-fi story there's Babylon 5, a little dated, but better than having to read books, right? :p

[@artinua4091]

can we talk about how much like Star Wars this movie is trying to be? 1. Death Star weakness 2. Death Star 2 weakness 3. "it's a trap!" 4. They call guns "blasters" 5. lasers 6. multiple alien species now apparently? 7. probably more but I'm not rewatching this thing to find out

[@StingBear]

Yeah, because only Star Wars has lasers and multiple alien species?

[@acenosce3334]

There's more: 8. Rebel Alliance (Resistance) 9. Droid with the map/Plans 10: EVIL GALACTIC EMPIRE 11. Villain coming after the plans 12. A New Hope 13. Alderaan That sphere can even be considered a Stand-in for Princess Leia/Mon mothma Honestly the film is trying to turn an alien invasion movie into a space opera. All it needs are some laser swords

[@RealBadGaming52]

That describes every space movie ever

[@daviscarl3766]

Heck Disney much: 15:22 'yeeess he's a friend from work' from ragnarok

[@FrozenBiscuit11]

Sheild generators

[@ThomasakaDes]

We're not getting a sequel this time. They lost way too much money on this movie.

[@PieMan061]

Are we not going to sin the fact that while they were shooting the queen at the end, she didn't pick ONE OF THE HUNDREDS OF SHIPS TO FIRE BACK AT THEM OR EVEN JUST CRASH INTO THEM. By the end of the movie, I was rooting for the aliens.

[@Darknessevolves]

when he said, "I wasn't jiggy enough", I almost died!!!! lol

[@sagnikdey2465]

It's okay CinemaSins, we get it. You don't have enough balls to do Deadpool.

[@1ofAkind_Divine_Immortal_Mind]

That "I wasn't jiggy enough" comment totally effing killed me LOL

[@roblee4395]

Brent Spinner: "Now that we just spent a WHOLE movie teasing the audience for a sequel hook, we'll just end the movie *right before* the best part about that Interplanetary War could pick off. See you guys in 3 years!!!" Liam Hemsworth: "Uh, Data? I think we have a problem." Brent Spinner: "And what would that be? We have the story, characters, everything else, all set-up, what else is missing?" Liam Hemsworth: (checking phone) "According to Box Office Mojo, this time we made roughly 45% the money compared to the box office of the 1996 version." Brent Spinner: "That's not so bad. The original is, after all, one of the highest-grossing movies of all time and - " Liam Hemsworth: "NOT adjusted for inflation." Brent Spinner: " - oh shit."

[@Arbron]

"Interplanetary war" is the key issue here. The original wasn't a straight war movie, and setting a sequel around one (i.e. where half the movie takes place in spaceship cockpits) was just asking to be fucking boring.

[@TotallyNotAFox]

No mention that nearly no movie ever gets aircombat right? Today it isn't dogfighting anymore, heck most of the time the pilots don't have visual on each other. And don't get me started about the turn radius of modern jets compared to the scenes in this movie . Same with the AH-64 helicopters in Suicide Squad: Hellfire missile have an range of over 8 kilometres, and even the 30mm gun can be used on 3 kilomtres - but no, they HAVE TO fly directly over the warzone.

[@Arbron]

Video games fuck this up too. In Metal Gear Solid, Liquid Snake is credited with shooting down two F-16s with a Hind-D. Sounds epic... until you start asking why the hell a) they were ever close enough, and b) they didn't take him out from 3km away.

[@kerbalairforce8802]

An F-18 shot down a Syrian Mig last year within sight range.

[@DrForrester87]

It's called showmanship. ID4 clearly established the aliens have no long-rang weapons. And, in fact, all of their weapons are line-of-sight weapons. This leads me to a question: in the War of 1996, once their shields were disabled, missiles were just as effective as they are on normal aircraft. Now, in the last battle, the closeness was due to the shields not coming down until the ship was on top of Area 51. But still in this movie; If you believe you can take down the shields why use cold fusion free-fall bombs? You could bring down the shields and shoot a crap-ton of alien tech-enhanced missiles at the Harvester ship. Because, ID4 also established the aliens have no point defenses in place, either. Again: showmanship. Audiences don't want to see a missile kill that they may not see at all. They want dogfights because they are more action packed and intense. What looks more heroic: A typical Hollywood hero pilot like Maverick from Top Gun launching his missile so close that he's going to ingest half of the discount MiG into his air intakes, or shooting a missile, waiting several seconds, and then a readout telling him he got the kill (or an EWACS)? As one Tomcat driver put it when comparing his desire for a gun kill compared to his back-seater's preference for a 100 mile Phoenix kill: "Would John Wayne make a 100 mile Phoenix kill?"

[@captaintalon4485]

I love how Hollywood keeps trying to make Liam Hemsworth as big of a thing as his brother Chris but it's just not gonna happen for him much like Jaden Smith

[@wyldshot666]

Dammit Jeremy, I've been here since the beginning. And I love CINEMASINS. Congrats on your success and progress.