Independence Day: An American Disaster

[@Nosferatu666rules]

You just made me realize that the characters in this movie have a more positive outlook on the future of humanity while being invaded by aliens than I do watching the news.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

I wish the aliens would invade, at this point.

[@ValterStrangelove4419]

because we can all agree who the enemy is in the case of alien invasion from outer space so we all have the same general idea about what we gotta to do, whereas in the real world we have mostly man-made problems and we can scarcely agree which men made them or get further than the brainstorming stage towards actually solving the problems

[@creed8712]

@@ValterStrangelove4419I mean, it’s obvious who the bad guys are in real life. They aren’t clever about it, I don’t think anyone who says they can murder somebody in Times Square and nobody would care is a good guy

[@rosecity_chris]

Growing up in the 90s pre 9/11 was so different in every single way

[@UGNAvalon]

Meanwhile, Arrival: One country nearly ruins first contact while another country is making good progress.

[@TheSpearkan]

Welcome to Every Roland Emmerich movie, we have: - Smart guy nobody listens to. - Wanton destruction - Female character with open or implied relationship with protagonist in the past. - The crazy conspiracy theorist who turns out to be right and sacrifices himself for the greater good. - The annoying kid character who stops the entire plot to focus on them. - The token cannon fodder character destined to die in the destruction.

[@MusicoftheDamned]

Having rewatched this movie last night with some friends, I was shocked it lacked a weird hallmark of Mr. Emmerich's later movies: the milquetoast stepdad character who is presented as an antagonistic rival for the main character, if only by way of being in a love triangle with his ex, who dies in an oddly horrible way you think would be reserved for an actual villain. All _Independence Day_ has is David and his currently still single ex-wife eventually getting back together, meaning there's no need for Mr. Emmerich to kill some poor guy who hardly deserves it in particularly cruel and targeted way for once. Yay? (By *total* coincidence [/s], that particular romantic subplot feels like it's where you could mostly cut down the movie without harming it unlike the apparent exposition with David about how he made the virus so damn fast that *actually* got cut out.)

[@larrystevens7410]

Yep, it is a formula alright.

[@collinmclaren6608]

A sub-class for the token cannon fodder is if they're also the step-dad. Though that only really happened in 2012 and Moonfall (still weird it happened twice)

[@L4ZERGD]

It literally moonfall

[@quincentupleyourmoney5650]

I love wontons. Especially fried wontons. I'll never forgive this man for destroying them in all his movies 😔

[@GreenhornProductions]

An interesting fact, the first Independence Day holds the record for the most miniature effects ever in a movie... It came out right on the brink of the CGI revolution that quickly overtook Hollywood, and because of that it still holds the record and probably always will... Again, that's part of its charm. It sort of serves as a capper to a bygone era of old-school blockbuster filmmaking in a way.

[@Dr.W.Krueger]

It still uses a metric ton of digital effects to tie it all together, but yes...this era was what I would call the "sweet spot" between practical and digital.

[@GreenhornProductions]

@@Dr.W.Krueger Agreed.

[@TimJBucci]

I love how the miniatures all get blown apart, but then the twin towers are still standing when it shows the statue of liberty laying in the water. 8:31

[@Lucien86]

That's why its effects still stand up so well after so many years.. Compare it to the Phantom Menace made only a few years later..

[@keinname8053]

​@@Lucien86 Tbh i think Phantom Menace aged pretty well, including the digital characters. Attack Of The Clones by comparison looks pretty terrible due to its outwashed and empty style. It propably has something to do with them switching to digital filming between movies.

[@darshannagaraj323]

Nice to see A-Train got out from the grasp of Vought and accomplished his dream of being a fighter pilot

[@6393dude]

Now he's A-Plane

[@ShitEatingGoblin42069]

​@@6393dude LOL, nice.

[@JustinZarian]

Fun fact. There’s footage and stories out there on KZbin about how Randy Quaid’s heroic sacrifice was almost not a thing. Originally, he was going to fly his biplane with a missile awkwardly strapped to the side. The test audience laughed for all the wrong reasons, prompting a scared Emmerich to do an emergency reshoot to make it the version we see now. That’s why his hair is different after his “I can fly” line and why his shots in the cockpit are so different. One of those rare moments Roland Emmerich made a smart choice to avoid something being too silly

[@bluesbest1]

Hate to say it, but I'd have laughed for the wrong reasons, too. It was a good change on so many levels. For starters, putting him in a fighter jet gave him A) a chance to relive the "good" parts of his past and B) made everyone, including him and his kids, think he was gonna walk away from this. And then the wonderful tense moment of "Oh no, the missile's broken. That was humanity's last hope!" only for him to _then_ decide to make the hard choice. It went from a sorta-standard and lackluster suicide bombing to a heroic sacrifice.

[@tony9146]

In the DVD / BluRay releases it’s an alternate ending you can pick 😂

[@A10DoubleHelix]

Honestly that probably would have been more believable than somebody learning to fly an F18 in less than a day lol.

[@ancaplanaoriginal5303]

@@A10DoubleHelix Honestly, F-18's are stupidly easy to fly, pilots nowadays are jumping from the simulator straight into the cockpit. A 1 day crash course of "here you start the engines, here you fire the missiles" would be enough considering the situation.

[@A10DoubleHelix]

@@ancaplanaoriginal5303 what? 😂 have you piloted one?? Cuz I mean, I have a simulator, and it's not that I don't believe you, it's that, there's a difference when you're not used that that many g's, and you turn a corner going like... 500 miles an hour, you make a mistake and your not gonna be able to turn in time, so you'll have to figure it out and hopefully have enough time before you crash an 80 million dollar plane 😆. Remember they were flying under the... alien craft, which was not high up there so there's a big difference in being able to pull up and climb as high as you need and then all the sudden having that vertical limitation, complicates things.

[@mjasz4341]

I remember in 2016 I got mad that my parents wanted to see Arrival instead of Independence Day Resurgence. I'm glad I watched Arrival instead

[@gregory-of-tours]

jesus christ Arrival was already 8 years ago?

[@mjasz4341]

@@gregory-of-tours unfortunately yes

[@ThwipThwipBoom]

W mom and dad

[@El_Negro2003]

@@gregory-of-toursred dead redemption 2 was 5 years ago Edit: 6 years ago

[@chrisblanc663]

Your parents are a credit to our species.

[@Horrormaster13]

Fun Fact: The President's daughter was played by Mae Whitman who would later voice Katara on Avatar The Last Airbender Animated Series.

[@Oliviagarry69420]

And amity from the owl house edit also remember the episode where Ross broke a little girls leg by accident? That’s the same girl!

[@a1m3v]

and is Roxxie Richter from Scott Pilgrim

[@concept5631]

Oh dope

[@neon1899]

Her?

[@CowMaster9001]

And Her? From Arrested Development

[@SpottedHares]

I think the most surprising thing about this video is how i had no idea Stargate, Independence Day, Zilla, and Day after Tomorrow were all were all the same guy. I legitimately did not know that till you told me.

[@Dankdalorde]

Oh yeah - it’s all coming togethee

[@arnulfo267]

@@SpottedHares You don't read the credits at the beginning of movies?

[@MrJotunar]

The Stargate film was surprisingly good.

[@1chaka]

@@arnulfo267hecks no the movies ended and I immediately got up and went to go pee. I was not in there going “Oh wow what director made this masterpiece” 😂

[@DogMeatDelicious]

​@@1chakaYou immediately get up to go pee at the beginning of the movie?

[@lightningstrxu]

The funny thing is there's a much better movie hidden in this one The African guy mentions that he and his people have been fighting a ground war in melee combat for years against alien survivors, and that sounds like an amazing movie

[@OfficialKirby]

Independence Day: Vietnam

[@03-AALIYAH_Gaming]

Which movie? The first one or the sequel?

[@dairenoh693]

​@@03-AALIYAH_GamingThe sequel.

[@Volvagia1927]

Yeah. It's called A Predator Movie. And, yeah, Predator 1, 2, and 5 (Prey) are all substantially better movies than Independence Day 2. 1 and 5 are, clearly, better movies, even, than the original Independence Day. Predator 2 vs. Independence Day? That's more of a split decision. I lean toward yes, Predator 2 is marginally better (B- vs. C+), on that question, actually, but it's not so far above that I'd fight you on it.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

​@@Volvagia1927 are you trying to compare a series of 1 vs squad movies to a potential war movie? I think your enjoyment of big sweaty men is blinding you to the genre differences.

[@Devil-Made]

17:54 I just realized this: when he sacrifices himself he’s doing it by flying into the anus of the ship. He’s doing to them what they “supposedly” did to him all those years ago. It’s like poetry. It rhymes.

[@TTOTheTrueOne]

Pure cinematic art.

[@THETYRONUMMDUDE]

The alternate ending is really priceless and sells it even better

[@Tylerpierre99]

"f**k you Rick Berman, you ruined this as well?!.. Wait a minute, that ain't Rick Berman... What is it with RICKS?!"

[@Virjunior01]

Faster, more intense

[@Jormyyy]

It's not a loop, it's a spiral.

[@Tamashikiri]

It's extra baffling that the human tech in Resurgence never incorporated the aliens' shields when you consider that science fiction has been using "our shields are down to insert low number here percent" to add a ticking clock to battle scenes for decades.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

They have. But they have yet to compact it to fighter size. David used the base shields to trap the queens ship. Its simply not mass produced tech at that point. Uncle Space Xi even said to raise the moonbase shields. We never saw those lol.

[@GenericName0042]

@@trazyntheinfinite9895right, except the alien fighters had shields...and were of comparable size to human fighters....

[@sabbathjackal]

A side note about shields in sci fi that I thought about yesterday. They always say "angle the deflector sheilds" but the shield is always portrayed as a dome. So what are they angling? Deflector shields should be flat

[@GumshoeClassic]

​@@sabbathjackalI always thought of it as changing where the brunt of the shield's power is concentrated. "Angling" is admittedly an odd choice of word for that, but that's the main way I could make sense of it.

[@guru5355]

​@@trazyntheinfinite9895 wow so you are saying the combined military and the r&d prioritised fking gravity on space ships instead of shield boy get that weak ass shit outta here

[@ScrapKing73]

I loved two things about the sequel: The idea that they raised a generation to believe that they could fight off the aliens if they returned, but did so knowing they couldn’t be sure of that (but now wanted to try to live up to that lie). I also loved the idea of an isolated African nation fighting the aliens alone for years. They’d have been better off doing a movie about that second idea, to lead into this one, though.

[@TheGeekRex]

I actually kinda liked the idea of another alien civilization approaching them to join their coalition against the invaders. Sci Fi movies usually take place a long time after humans have made contact and joined the rest of the galaxy, I would actually like to see a movie taking place at the beginning of it all.

[@randybobandy9828]

The sequel was an ABOMINATION and I choose to acknowledge it's existence.

[@Morflow_]

The sequel bait at the end of Independence Day 2 made me and my buddy laugh our asses off in the theater because of how ass that movie was. I'll never forget him turning to me and saying, "God willing, we'll all meet again in Independence Day 3: The Search for More Money". What a shitshow

[@reedcockrell8126]

Thank you, Mel Brooks! 😉

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

They actually are making Spaceballs 2 now

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

If I were to take over the franchise, I'd have the earthmonkeys find out that they can fuel their war against the spacesquids by eating planets, too... I feel like this was already done in anime, though... Googles it...

[@maxxjapan619]

I understood that reference.

[@corneliustalmadge6711]

@@MASTEROFEVILthere was an urban legend in the 90s that they were making “Spaceballs 3 The Search for Spaceballs 2”.

[@JDRoninstone]

Thank god this didn't get a sequel 20+ years after the original

[@cuckoophendula8211]

Lol, Independence Day: Resurgence (came out decades later, and I heard it was bad too)

[@JDRoninstone]

​@@cuckoophendula8211 read again

[@cuckoophendula8211]

@@JDRoninstone Ironic sarcasm is now more apparent. Approved! Edit: and of course my previous comment makes absolutely no sense now, lol

[@YnossZaperator]

Cuz the sequel was too abysmal, so it ain't exist. Period. :-)

[@aidangordon2713]

I know, right? Imagine how horrible it would have been, especially without Smith...

[@Oldmanmoo]

I worked at a hotel in 2005. Independence Day was on in the bar, and I had to deliver room service to the VIP room. Robert Loggia answered the door. I asked him if he knew he was on tv, as we were speaking. In his typical, gruff manner, he asked which one. Independence Day, sir. "Oh yeah, we really saved the world on that one" in the most disinterested and exhausted manner. Peak Loggia, and I cherish the memory.

[@AbuHajarAlBugatti]

Yawn just people in for the money

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

Cool story

[@goldenfiberwheat238]

Who

[@jacob4920]

That was almost a decade after he first did the film, and he was already OLD in the first ID4 movie! At his age, he must have been too exhausted to give a crap anymore. Poor dude. lol

[@ascubis2511]

I’m sorry to break it to you but your memory is just a factious story either made consciously or subconsciously by you’re brain, you sir are a liar. P.S your pants are on fire!🔥

[@GamerNintendo25]

I remember in a review I watched for Resurgence, the reviewer (Dan Murrell of Screen Junkies) had a fun discussion about the sequel’s lack of memorable dialogue: “When Pullman has his moment at the end, he looks the queen in the eye and says ‘From the people of Earth, Happy 4th of July.’ That should have been the greatest moment in cinema history. People should have been ripping the chairs out of the theatre. But you can’t even hear it, it’s said really weakly, and it doesn’t even work!” That’s the only thing about Resurgence that’s stuck with me since I watched it

[@danielferrieri7434]

People celebrate Independence Day with Fireworks Aliens celebrate Independence Day with Explosions

[@YnossZaperator]

and with Destructions

[@carolinemcgovern4488]

And we British go out and vote. At least this year.

[@yxrackman2397]

Explosions so hard that they’d make Micheal bay blush

[@MadPaperMario]

And will smith songs

[@bear0629]

@@hogyhogyhogy 👆🤓

[@davidcarter1942]

Something else I want to add: I know the first movie is corny, but I think it did have good heartfelt moments between the characters. My favorite line in the whole movie comes from the darkest hour of the story, when nukes fail, and so extinction seems inevitable. David is drunk and his father tries to calm him down with honest encouragement, even while sharing his own past loss of hope. "I haven't spoken to God since your mother died." In my opinion, it's a scene does a lot with little, and helps the movie transcend beyond a special effects extravaganza.

[@mikahbee]

I agree, I love this movie. It's schmaltzy for a lot and cheesy but fun and heartfelt. Watched it with my kids for the first time and they loved the characters, even ones who weren't on camera all that long. This more than any of his other movies has likeable charming characters.

[@alexandercarder2281]

I 💯 agree also, I love that scene with David and his father. I also commented that this is also the reason they didn’t get the shields in the second one because they couldn’t cure David’s Cold that he gave them 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Leonyithas]

One of the best side jokes in the sequel was having Judd Hirsch’s introduction scene be him selling his book titled “How I Saved The World” about moments like that. Because he, at least collaboratively, he did. He made everyone go to Area 51, he motivated our main characters, and it was well within his New Yorker archetypes to make a book about it.

[@jimmym3352]

It's my guilty pleasure. It's like comfort food. Just a lot of cool things came together just right.

[@thedarkadmiral3627]

"It has everything... Aliens... Explosions.... that was everything" AND IT WAS GLORIOUS!

[@SourRobo8364]

That's why the Transformer movies are successful.

[@adamk-paxlogan7330]

Fr😂

[@adamk-paxlogan7330]

​@@SourRobo8364exactly 😂

[@mohdamerulaidilbinrazisahm7317]

​@@SourRobo8364in fact,he also did considered by studio to direct the fourth movie

[@JZsBFF]

Why do movies need to have... meaning? Nobody asked Chuck Norris to recite Robert Frost. We wanted him to kick ass!

[@jacksonlarson6099]

I find it frustratingly naive when people (or movies) predict that a utopian future can be achieved once we get sufficiently advanced technology, as if though the world sucks so much right now simply because our tech isn't futuristic enough. Man, if only we had sustainable energy supplies, abundant food production, and AI-enabled automation, then surely the world would be a paradise. Once we figure out technologies like those, surely everything will get better. Hey wait a minute-

[@Elliot_is_dead1]

Actually, the future is cottagecore. We Will all live in cottages and run around in meadows. No one can stop this plan.

[@davidstinger1134]

It wont be a utopia but certainly a more interesting world

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

Independence Day was considered 90's cheese back in the day, but now, I see it as a classic of sci fi action cinema in an unironic way. From the amazing effects, to the self aware but geuninely entertaining script, it still gets me hyped up because of its purely awesome charm.

[@buragi5441]

That's the best way to describe this movie. It may be cheesy and campy, but it has what a lot of movies wished they had: charm.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@buragi5441 And you can tell the actors were having a good time. Wouldnt happen in todays greenscreen environments. Thats what always hits me about older sci fi movies. They do have effects, but at least the sets are real and the actors are in the same room together. Acting. Not just reading lines in an empty studio.

[@vladthecon]

self awareness is so rare now

[@FoxMulder-FBI]

@@buragi5441 charm like Ralph Wiggum has charm

[@Replicaate]

Honestly! It’s like a deep fried cheeseburger but it’s made with such high quality ingredients and put together so masterfully that you can’t not enjoy it.

[@LSA30]

Obligatory “I’m baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!”

[@ahis-lp7gc]

Maybe

[@fernandogimenez7520]

Every single time

[@MadPaperMario]

ID4 is the greatest movie of all time

[@stiimuli]

For some reason KZbin is offering to translate your comment. XD

[@jamesharding3459]

Hello, boys! I’m baaaaaaaaack!

[@JustinZarian]

Now he has to cover the remaining Emmerich movies - Stargate - Anonymous - Stonewall - Midway - 10,000 BC - The Patriot - Universal Soldier - Moon 44 - Ghost Chase - Making Contact Even if he just shotguns them, the Emmerich coverage must be completed!

[@munjatkumo1929]

That's way too many movies. I don't want him to make videos just to "commit to the bit". I want him to make videos about topics he's passionate about. That's when they come out the funniest. Sure, I have nothing against seeing more vids from Cody on Emmerichs movies, but not at the cost of Cody phoning in the videos.

[@JustinZarian]

@@munjatkumo1929 oh I know. It’s just a fun wish. I’m sure he can get a lot of mileage out of stuff like 10,00 BC though

[@munjatkumo1929]

@@JustinZarian Yeah for sure.

[@Eamonshort1]

Oh jesus, Roland made a movie about Stonewall? The horror... The horror...

[@JustinZarian]

@@Eamonshort1 it’s his most critically panned movie, believe it or not

[@kattastic9999]

"Roland Emmerich _orphaned A-Train."_ This movie's existence is worth it for that sentence alone.

[@paullees6687]

It took me how many years to piece together that randy quaid basically anally probed the aliens back? Like that's his redemption piece

[@marccamp6376]

Like that black geologist that is best friend of the Xfiles guy on the Evolution movie :D

[@icqpimp]

🫡 🇺🇸

[@Endgame_01]

Caught it when I saw it in theater on opening night when he yelled "UP YOOOOUUURRS!!"

[@paullees6687]

@@Endgame_01 the battle cry for the uno reverse

[@dycebastion]

Millions die, and straight after there’s a joke about John Lennon told by the old dad. It’s weird. I still love it

[@Volvagia1927]

I mean, that's NOTHING compared to the cut to "But it ain't the end of the world, buddy." in 2012.

[@carlosrivas1629]

yeah sometimes humor makes it easier to digest, what is hard about that and 25 years to recover is nothing and pretty easy especially when we have the tech, hey they destroyed Houston, my hometown, but they mainly only destroyed Downtown. Houston city area is the size freaking Connecticut.

[@chrisheimva4857]

Oh pre-9/11 disaster cinema, were you can get away with showing entire cities getting destroyed and still have room for Will Smith to make a corny one-liner about "kicking ET's ass"

[@munjatkumo1929]

Death is meaningless in Disaster movies unless it's a main character dying. The heroes of Independence day didn't give a shit that half of humanity died. They were just pissed aliens attacked the human race and wanted to kick the aliens collective ass for that. There's no real inclination the heroes fight against the aliens to save humanity. No, they fight to regain their honor.

[@carlosrivas1629]

@@munjatkumo1929 wow your messed up with that interpretation. dam that's hearless, seek therapy.

[@pbradly3597]

We need a Stargate video now to complete the Roland Emmerich cinematic universe

[@Dystopikachu]

Imagine if Independence Day instead became the decades running 10 seasons+spinoff scifi show. It could have happened

[@theshenpartei]

Or the sequel film and the canceled third film

[@lordmontymord8701]

@@Dystopikachu And then Emmerich would have also said how stupid that show is and his original ideas for a sequel were soo much better ... thanks to ID4 Part II: ID Harder we know how much that's worth. 🤔🤔🤔Come to think of it: Did he ever talk about the Godzilla-animated show that followed his stupid movie and was actually pretty good?

[@greenhowie]

Yeah Stargate kicks ass

[@warmachine5835]

Adding my vote for OG Emmerich Stargate.

[@micksamo8018]

My favorite part is when the news station goes to breaking news: Randy Quaid's character is paroled after dropping pamphlets on City Hall. The biggest event in human history is occurring and the news cuts to the least important story imaginable... Oh and they not only send a film crew to capture him leaving custody, but they send another reporter out to his small town to interview people who know him.

[@savioblanc]

That's just local news stations for you. Remember in 1996, the average viewer just watched their local news coverage.

[@toeray5864]

They should have gone all out in the sequel. Human built battle cruisers fighting the alien motherships around Saturn or something. Gravity weapons launching asteroids. Deep space carriers like in Wing Commander. Just lunatic stuff.

[@rutgaurxi7314]

C'mon now, that would require imagination and care to pull off!

[@TheMic609]

Or they could've flipped it. Scrap the aliens. Humans have reversed the Alien tech and expanded out into the solar system. Human Colonies are in the solar system and they provide resources to earth so that they can make the alien tech. The central earth gov has become increasingly oppressive demanding more tithes from the colonies cause they're paranoid that the aliens will return. Then the crazy president from the first movie can lead the independence of the colonies from the earth gov. Which would be the plot, the colonies win their independence and humanity is fractured and weakened, then they can sequel bait with the aliens actually making a return as a post credit scene. Some shot of them flying past Pluto or something idk.

[@vodoojones3630]

This would have been much better.

[@merrittanimation7721]

He should have made Moonfall as the sequel. Bill Pullman should have blown up the moon

[@AbuHajarAlBugatti]

The show Starblazers 2177 should be exactly your thing

[@MrTJPAS]

I love that your own depiction of your channel page at 21:05 depicts you as having pumped out 3 million videos and achieved a total of 7 whole subscribers for it.

[@raynmanshorts9275]

Accurate KZbin creator experience.

[@shinsenshogun900]

The same ol' 7 subs snip

[@LavenderSystem69]

ID4 was such an influence on my childhood that I deadass performed the whole "today we celebrate our independence day" speech in my high school ASL class lol

[@itseriknagel]

did you. Did you "deadass" perform it.

[@Bomber_Ted]

The land war against the aliens in Africa sounds like a much more interesting movie than what we got.

[@MrZotteltier]

“Imagine how terrible that would’ve been. It’s tragic we’ve never got it.“ this perfectly sums up your Emmerich love

[@Rob16164]

People assumed that Chinese moviegoers would flock to Hollywood movies just because they were being pandered to, but it was obvious it wasn’t going to be that easy. Sure, some movies did well, but even then there’s a question of whether the Chinese elements were really needed for the movie to be successful. The Meg is probably the most organic because it’s an actual Hollywood/China co-production and plays like it.

[@MariktheGunslinger]

Yeah, I remember hearing that even Chinese citizens didn't like the pandering any more than Americans did, feeling that Hollywood was trying to cannibalize their film industry. Speaking of which, China's film industry mirrors America's in that people have grown tired of overblown star-stuffed blockbusters and prefer smaller, independent efforts, leading to lots of indie films finding mainstream success. Funny how that works out.

[@truggeredx4351]

Hollywood movies absolutely don’t need to pander to China to be successful. For example, Oppenheimer and Dune 2 popped off in the Chinese market. I think the irony is that Hollywood is being somewhat racist by assuming all Chinese people only watch mindless patriotic action movies when they are capable of understanding complex western films. Like, if Chinese audiences want to watch a patriotic action flick, they’re domestic industry is perfectly capable of that.

[@yin6287]

The thing about Hollywood movies is that it doesn't need pandering. Everyone in the entire world watches Hollywood movies because they're *American*. China already has their own movie studios and their movies that represent Chinese culture. Hollywood attempts to pander to Chinese audiences makes their movies just look like a cheap knockoff attempt of Chinese culture in Chinese movies

[@95keat]

If only they listened to transformers and put in a character with all the negative stereotypes of a race they don't like.

[@nikolaideianov5092]

​@@truggeredx4351yeah they have some bangers of patriotic movies And some that are uhhhh they are movies

[@aidangordon2713]

"We are fighting for our right to live. To exist. And should we win the day, the Fourth of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day the world declared in one voice: 'We will not go quietly into the night!' We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive! Today we celebrate... OUR INDEPENDENCE DAY!"

[@furrybogard9724]

Topped off by random pilot dude giving the most epic salute ever

[@MadPaperMario]

Will smith carried the movie

[@homemadecringeycontent6363]

God, I love that scene

[@larrystevens7410]

Which is when Trump stands up to deliver another stirring speech about sharks and batteries and will once again play his greatest hits: "Who wants to hear the Sssnake story. Ohhhh, you love that snake story." While the country crumbles into dust and two nearly equal sides who hate each other more than any American has ever hated an enemy prepare for political violence. After a supreme court has determined presidents are Kings... Yes, America, happy Birthday and GOOD LUCK! You are going to need and, and believe me, this may be your last one before the country breaks apart. Maybe July fourth can become, American separation day. The day you all realize that you hate no one as much as you hate each other. Nice, real nice.

[@medinasmadre5391]

​@@larrystevens7410 Calm down weirdo.

[@mariomaker69420]

i remember seeing independence day 2 as a wee child. not in theaters, it was actually being rereleased on television for completely free and i just saw jake giving the aliens the finger and peeing on the floor and i was like "why was that ending dumb?" for my whole life. oh yeah and that trailer shot of the bridge being lifted too. i didn't know they were in the same movie until now

[@chrisblanc663]

“This movie had everything, aliens, explosions, that’s it!” I concur, this had everything that matters

[@McRonald2010]

0:03 NOT THE TWIN TOWERS CODY 💀

[@ECKohns]

Worst thing to happen to the World Trade Center since the 1993 bombing.

[@godzilla44556]

Yes 911

[@rlamonicajr]

It’s just the neighbor setting off fireworks

[@EmanBasagic]

Yeh 9/11 2001 but twin towers cody wyh

[@maticlikar147]

It took me 5 rewatches to realise that 😂

[@taomongkol5921]

The whole last jet fight scene is still so memorable to me.

[@adamkaufman724]

I love how the aliens are probably all "hahaha these stupid creatures, thinking their pathetic weapons can do anyth- WHAT WHAT THE FUCK STEVE DID YOU TURN OFF THE SHIELDS AGAIN"

[@taomongkol5921]

@@adamkaufman724 they forgot the greatest human aircraft tactic of all time. If you don't have a weapon, you become the weapon

[@adamkaufman724]

@@taomongkol5921 BANZAI!!!

[@shinygoldenpotion1587]

@@taomongkol5921 the aliens should have done that in the first place that would be more effective than hovering over cities

[@randybobandy9828]

I enjoyed the first jet scene too

[@X_x_ShadowGaming_x_X]

I REALLY hate the Trope of dumbing down and killing off nearly every Significant Character from an Original Movie.

[@curlyq1305]

This is my dad’s favorite movie. He owns a grocery store, so during 4th of July sales, he used the speech from the film and rewrote it about inflation. It was so good that the customers in the store started clapping and whistling. This movie may not be the best, but there is something special about it.

[@mikepatton8691]

Lol I would have loved to have seen that. Sounds like you have an awesome dad.

[@dankenstein9462]

Yeah right lol

[@LatinaCreamQueen]

And everyone clappe- oh wait.

[@theshenpartei]

Your dad has my respect

[@zanethezaniest274]

Those customers must really like balloons filling up with air.

[@mikesworld6064]

“Roland Emmerick orphaned A-Train.” Another lovely addition to my ‘out of context’ collection XD

[@danielramsey6141]

This made me spit my drink 😂😂

[@Carlo_ReNews]

I am German and the only connection I have to July 4th is this movie. I watch it every year and feel patriotic. Thanks to my fellow German Roland for making it

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@Yidhra23 Well Sunak is done for, even before seeing results, so thats something.

[@tonybrewer7536]

On this day everyone is American 🫡

[@MrCadet08]

I am an American who watched this movie as a 13 year old. It was dumb fun and one of the few things I can look back on fondly. I remember being a small child and hearing that war was forever over in 1991, then I was in middle school for the OKC attacks, in high school when the Columbine shooting happened. Still a stupid teenager as I watched 9/11 and saw smoke rising from the Pentagon while taking I 295 to get home, had the economy crash in 2001, got laid off from my first job out of high school, joined the army, participated in 2 pointless wars, had the economy collapse a second time in 2008 ruining my post army job (and destroying my marriage) watched most of my friends continue to fight in 2 pointless wars that we ended up losing....in addition to all of the post 2015 non stop insanity. But I will always love movies like independence day or The Mummy as stupid dumb fun where I could just shut my brain off and enjoy.

[@DinggisKhaaniMagtaal]

@@tonybrewer7536 Everyone except, well… a certain people that America did a lot of terrible things to…

[@AbuHajarAlBugatti]

When our german film industry is so damaged that most famous hollywood legends producers nowadays are german

[@CreigLovelace]

I loved Independence Day. But like you said the Sequel just didn't have the same flair. I recall getting an email from Emmerich (or perhaps a secretary) back in 1996 and I was pitching some ideas (none were ever used). Thanks Cody for making this! I really appreciate your insights and channels.

[@gopniksaurolophus6354]

Fun fact: the E-3 Sentry which crashes into the saucer has a radar capable of detecting fighter-sized targets at low altitudes at ranges of up to 200 miles, so the fact that this large, presumably metallic object that is *RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE AIRPLANE* not being detected by the VERY PROMINENT radar array atop the fuselage has always been funny as hell to me

[@nikolaideianov5092]

Noone expects the to just hit a f**king wall while flying

[@aidangordon2713]

The US Air Force had a mechanical oopsie at the worst possible time, I guess.

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

People say that, but you don't know how radar interacts with fictitious shields. It is actually somewhat plausible that he's getting no return or that it's confusing their sensors.

[@Warsie]

@@hypothalapotamus5293 the shields do allow you to see the craft within it, so radar presumably would show up as something (prolly something smaller or weird, so an anamoly and there is an alien invasion soooo)

[@danielnaylor3434]

The biggest thing I hated about the sequel (and there are many things to hate) is that it fell back to that old trope of "kill the Queen, and everything else fails." I despise that easy fix solution to a giant problem. It's used so often. In fact, one of the greatest things I loved about the first movie is that it didn't use that as a solution. Destroying the Mothership didn't conveniently end the invasion. You still had to fight the aliens, one by one. That was admirable! Then the sequel had to screw that all up. And I must say, I saw this movie in the theater when it was released. Five times. I was not a kid. It's not just dumb kids who like this movie. Dumb adults love it, too.

[@davidbeaver958]

Yes!! How cool is the largest aerial battle in the history of mankind… compared to just shooting the queen? What happened to Hollywood, why can’t they tell what’s cool anymore?!

[@aw3299]

​@@davidbeaver958 Simple. They're only paying attention to marketing researchers telling them what will personally make them even more money.

[@rodrigobogado8756]

@@aw3299 and end up losing money anyway because marketing researchers suck

[@shan4680]

Somehow by destroying the alien mothership, all the shields on the smaller ships went down. Also, none of the smaller ships were shown falling on the cities they were above, also how were they supposed to down these ships anyway? For just one example, Australia's air force would have been obliterated in the first 37 seconds of initial fighting because as good as the individual planes and pilots are, there's not exactly very many of them.

[@danielnaylor3434]

@@shan4680 Well, in the first movie, it wasn't the destruction of the mothership which shut down the shields of every other ship. They discovered that the mothership was sending signals out to them. So our heroes uploaded a computer virus to the mothership which disabled the shields, and that virus was sent from the mothership to all the others, disabling theirs. Is that a stretch using an Apple Mac Book? Absolutely, but Hollywood treats computers like magic. They can do anything! Point being, at least an attempt was made to not cheat out of having to engage in a long, grueling fight to push back an invasion. The studio could have simply made it so that you just destroy the mothership and all of the smaller ones fall. It would have saved them money from having to make that last epic aerial battle. But they didn't do that, which is appreciated.

[@DiegoAtkinson]

Hello fellow humans

[@spafieman-wq3bh]

First comment on the second comment!

[@GrimReaper.123]

This guy might be a fed. Caution brothers

[@Shallot3745]

Hi, Fellow human, I'm totally from earth

[@GXKSS19]

Hi

[@matthewharner1744]

Omg Obama is that you

[@AustinCDavis]

I know that I saw #2 in the theater, but I didn’t realize how little I remembered of the movie until your recap.

[@rpcheesman]

"Oh it's garbage, but I love it." Pretty much my thoughts on every Emmerich movie I've seen.

[@Cyclonestorm8]

My response to Resurgence, honestly. Well, ‘love’ might be too intense, but it was still a way to pass some extra hours, that’s (probably) something.

[@aortaplatinum]

Did you just imply Stargate is trash?

[@osmanyousif7849]

Also, sums up most 1996 action flicks: ID4 The Rock Twister Ransom Eraser Executive Decision Even Mission Impossible which was severely flawed, but nobody really cared as long as they were having a blast.

[@devOnHoliday]

Moonfall and resurgence were actually bad, bad for his standards in his own genre

[@burnttoast26]

Emmerich movies are junk food cinema

[@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115]

I love how self-aware this channel is. Sometimes we can tell how much something sucks and still enjoy it without sugarcoating it! It's much more entertaining than just watching someone endlessly nitpicking it.

[@skywalkerchick]

This video really made me realize that 2010s Jeff Goldblum just isn’t the same as 90s Jeff Goldblum. Not because he’s aged, but because he’s really just leaned into that eccentric weirdo persona as he’s gotten older. Like, you watch him in this or in Jurassic Park or hell even Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978) and he’s a lot more reserved than what we see from him today.

[@Artista_Frustrado]

yeah 90's Jeff Goldblum was great because he was the uncanny valley given human form

[@ayodeledavid3034]

Everyone personality change with time

[@metalsynkk]

"And now, it's barely mentioned" SIR I SPEAK FOR AT LEAST A THOUSAND PEOPLE. No joke I recommend this movie to pretty much everyone and if I haven't made at least *some* dent in the fact it's nowadays pretty unknown idk what to do bro. Also on a more serious note, I am so glad you did a video on this because in the "it sucks but I like it anyway" category, this is my #1 movie of all time.

[@texaskc]

Watching Independence Day on the 4th is like watching Die Hard at Christmas. It has to happen.

[@ozpin8329]

I was obsessed with this movie as a young kid. I was 11 years old when it came out and I begged my grandparents to take me to see it opening day. One of my favorite things about the movie was that, because it was in the era before DVDs and special features, Fox ended up having one or two primetime specials that strictly covered how the special effects were done. They showed off the giant fifteen foot wide model of the city destroyer that had several thousand fiber optic lights for windows. They showed off the puppets of the aliens and their suits. They showed how they had model kits of fire trucks and taxi cabs that they blew apart with a high-pressure air gun to composite them into the shots showing the destruction. And coolest of all, they showed how they made the giant city destruction sequences - they literally built 30 ft long models of streets in New york, raised them up on end vertically, and set off explosions at the bottom to film the fireball as it moved up through the buildings. The movie has its issues for sure, but it remains one of the peak films ever made that uses practical effects.

[@QuintusAntonious]

I remember the Fox special on the show! The model makers who made the exploding White House talked about how they even put little nods to Bill Clinton in there, like his cat Socks and saxophone.

[@benjacobson8638]

I also remember the "Breaking TV News Special" where it was basically a "news" broadcast of the Aliens arriving. Similar to The War of the Worlds radio broadcast.

[@randybobandy9828]

I was 8 when I saw it in theaters and when I got the VHS for Christmas I memorized all the lines😂 it was just such a fun movie. I would draw little alien vs jet battle scenes on paper. Epic

[@euansmith3699]

The Harvey Fierstein, "DAVID!" super-cut is a thing of beauty. I love Harvey's voice. It goes beyond vocal fry, and dives into vocal deep-fat fry. 😍👍

[@kindlin]

That voice grates on me. It makes my own throat uncomfortable, like I need to clear it or something.

[@moviemaker1986]

Studios knew this was what we wanted, and nearly 6 months later, Mars Attacks releases.

[@drsuchomimus]

Your point on the post-cold war/post-gulf war attitude of the film is spot on. Always feel a lot of reviews of the film forget that

[@TheSuperappelflap]

It wasnt just pre-9/11, it was pre- subverting expectations and pre- subjective morality and all that. Anyone who paid to see this movie knew exactly what they were getting, and they loved it.

[@rafidsadman]

I've never seen Independence 2 so the actor for A-Train randomly turning up at 20:10 was such an emotional flashbang for me

[@travisjohnson622]

If you read Silent Zone (the Id4 prequel) Dr Okun is granted a vision of a previous planet the aliens conquered. The suits were an aquatic species they conquered. They scooped their bodies out like oysters. Leaving the senses, the nervous systems, the musculature, anything useful beside the brain. When they enter the suits, they interface with the nervous system and become the brain. The suits are still living tissue but braindead. As seen in the second film, the suit can experience pain and even death. Once the suit has sustained enough damage to kill the suit, it pops open and ejects the rider. I will always give these aliens an A+ for individuality. Ive heard "We want your planet" before. Or "We want your resources before" but have you ever heard "We want to scoop out your brains and wear you like body armor?" Now that is terror. Imagine the bizarre uses this species could have found with a surviving human race if they won? I shudder to realize that whatever they came up with would've been pure nightmare fuel.

[@narumis]

Are you familiar with _All Tomorrows_ by Nemo Ramjet (C. M. Kosemen)? If you're not I believe you will find it very illuminating regarding your question.

[@artemisorwhatever9828]

Ok that goes hard as fuck I'm ngl

[@fallenoak4560]

Colonials ​@@narumis

[@QuintusAntonious]

I think it was the novelization that also establishes that the computer virus Jeff Goldblum's character uploads works because human computers were one of the technologies reverse engineered from the crashed ship in Area 51. Emmerich's movies may be junk food, but they have a way of inspiring tie in material that takes them seriously and expands the lore way beyond the intent of the original creator.

[@keithharper32]

so the reverse of the Skyline movies. Where the aliens ant to scoop oout our brains and use them as CPUs to operate their bio-machines.

[@frommatorav1]

I was 27 when Independence Day came out, not 8, and I still loved it and never stopped loving it. The spaceships hovering over the city, was amazing special effects at the time and still looks decent today.

[@randybobandy9828]

I was 8 when it came out and it was the best movie ever.

[@B1998-u6i]

My favorite thing about the sequel is once again, Emmerich has the film climax be an underwhelming chase between a yellow vehicle with our protagonists and a giant monster until they lure it somewhere for the military to shoot it to death. He *really* thought that we didn't get in Godzilla lol

[@weik-2936]

ok but "scarab chases Noble 6 in a school bus" is a game I'd play

[@ChrisGrahamkedzuel]

Me too.

[@pessien8474]

It's too bad that Scarabs are slow as fuck, but let's be honest here, Hollywood no longer uses common sense (in a bad way for some reason?) so the Lekgolo-to-Lekgolo neural pathways having proper speed would be thrown out the fucking window (this too can be thrown out the window if it's convenient to the plot)

[@XX-sp3tt]

14:30 Why the Hell does everyone and their grandma forget the scientists said they'd been reverse engineering alien tech for decades, thus giving a perfectly good hand wave for how a computer built on Earth could interact with an alien device.

[@rozmarinideas5340]

Because that's like saying that a computer from the 1950s could upload a virus into a modern military supercomputer.

[@drakron]

Because computer virus or lets say malware works by exploiting vulnerabilities in the operating system, this is why there was the impression Mac OS was less vulnerable that Windows because virus written for Windows wouldnt affect Mac OS. And I just realized what my example is considering the virus was done on a Mac, that is amusing for me in many ways ... So even if they were "reverse engineering" the technology that would be hardware, not software because just like we write software based on programing language that in term is based on our language (just look at code, you can tell) the aliens would do the same, the whole thing makes less and less sense the more you think about it and even if you dont, well people know on a basic instinctive level we dont catch virus from other species (that is true and false but often is true) so you trying to sell people something they think its wrong. Simply there is no way they could write code to infect a OS created by a alien species, its not really how a computer can interact with another because you can run Windows or Mac OS in the same hardware, you can even make Mac OS and Windows communicate with each other but malware will be designed to infect one or the other, a "human" computer can interact with a "alien" computer but malware would have to be specific designed to target the Alien OS.

[@shan4680]

Computers of different years often can't interface properly with computers from the same company that are just older, never mind from a completely alien source separated by decades, hence the eye-rolling.

[@jordananderson2728]

​@@shan4680 Sure, but you can build interface adapters and create compatibility scripts and whatnot.

[@jamessloven2204]

@@shan4680who knew that in 1996? Not the audience. It’s akin to disliking Dracula because Bram Stoker didn’t understand blood transfusions (blood transfusions were the hot new technology, but Bram Stoker didn’t know about blood types).

[@Gamsterjeff600]

I like how you do reviews. You make it balanced. That halo joke got me good

[@BenSmith-xr7kf]

34:48 I was hoping Cody would bring up the fact that A-Train is in this movie

[@purplehaze2358]

"It sucks, but I like it anyways" summarizes my feelings for just about every Z-grade, Asylum-adjacent, bad CGI monster movie you find on the SyFy channel.

[@lukepoe1140]

People are overthinking it. Think of Independence Day as a cheesy sci-fi Marvel movie. It hits the same beats as the Avengers films, which isn't a bad thing. It promotes patriotism and militarism mixed with comedy at a high school level for casual moviegoers. The special effects hold up, the cast is great, the president's speech is perfect, and the story is easy to follow.

[@NewEnglandPatriotsDynasty]

This guy gets it.

[@BostonMBrand]

It goes to show that a simple concept can go a long way with a great cast and excellent special effects. I think that’s what a lot of modern blockbusters fail to grasp: simplicity and balance. I’ve seen to many modern blockbusters tank because they either focus way too much much on lore and explaining things that it gets in the way of an entertaining/thought provoking story or they don’t explain enough and fall flat on their face. They fail to ask one of two questions: 1. Why does this matter? 2. Why are the characters doing this?

[@josecipriano3048]

Hitting the same beats as the Avengers films is not a bad thing, it's a terrible thing.

[@lukepoe1140]

@@josecipriano3048 Martin Scorsese said it best when he said Marvel movies are not real filmmaking but rather just a rollercoaster ride. They're enjoyable films that entertain. Keeping it simple has its advantages for families and general audiences. Not every movie has to be The Godfather or Shawshank Redemption.

[@Alexander_Kale]

@@lukepoe1140 What scrosese said back then sounds more like spiteful dismissal, and it does not even apply to Marvel's movies across the Board. e.g. Iron man I and Thor I are unironically good movies. They have a simply concept which they execute very well. You can watch either of them with a person who has no prior knowledge of comics and not only will they be able to follow the story, they might even enjoy it for what it is. Same thing for Independance day. Yes, the whole idea of humans surviving an alien invasion is silly, so is the idea of hacking a super computer with a mac book. But it simply does not matter. The way this silly idea is executed makes it believable, the course of the plot is engaging, the charactes are likeable and the execution is beautiful. If you want to see roller coaster, look at Force awakens or Rise of skywalker. Those movies take you for a flashy ride while hoping you don't notice how rusty the rails are.

[@divineclaypuppet7460]

13:24 The worst bit I find about this plane... is that it's an AWACS. It is a "command" plane ("Airborne Warning and Control System"), specially equipped with radars and detectors... And it fails to detect the spaceship.

[@randybobandy9828]

No it wasn't the fact that it didn't detect the ship but the fire ball shield that it created around itself

[@kennethgrey7829]

Fun fact about the people on the top of the skyscraper. They had it packed with so many people that when the Helicopter flew overhead for the shot some people could have fallen off. No one fell, but a interesting fact none the less. Before anyone asks about where I heard this, a friend of my dad was an extra in that crowd.

[@solareagle1802]

Comparing the aliens with their suits to Gundam and Ratatouille is really funny to me😂

[@vaulttraveler]

No dog was harmed during the production.

[@saisameer8771]

But what about Boomer!!!

[@uselessDM]

@@saisameer8771 Boomer will life!

[@osodeanteojosyt]

Thank god. The dog was the moast important terran in the movie.

[@louisduarte8763]

@@uselessDM [high-pitched squealing]

[@MadPaperMario]

@@louisduarte8763I’m Mario

[@Merennulli]

I always understood it as a pastiche of sci-fi, and from that perspective it was a masterpiece. It wasn't as in-your-face about the humor as a parody like Galaxy Quest, but it played the typical tropes in comical ways, it referenced all sorts of sci-fi very overtly and even more with a little bit of subtlety. And with the comical lines and situations (eg. punching the alien and dropping the "welcome to Earth" one-liner), it never felt like I was supposed to take it seriously. And that's what worked about it. The failure of the sequel was that it tried to be too connected to the original rather than repeat the success of the original. The hilarious kaiju alien queen fought with a school bus reflected what the movie should have been, it only flopped as a scene because the movie tried to be serious around it. The time spent establishing the new generation's connections to the old movie and the reason the aliens were back was not. Those a great if you want to make a franchise like Star Trek where the details matter (ironically as those holding the Star Trek IP fail to realize the details matter), but in a good pastiche you work with what the source materials have provided but don't let it get bogged down with too much detail. You're not building a world, you're ice skating over the top of someone else's. I can't know his motivations, but it definitely seems like he's chasing the success of ID4, not what he did in ID4. After that movie came out, some fans did try to nerd out about the aliens, and there was indeed a story behind them that could have been made into one of those detailed series like Star Wars or Star Trek. But not with the comedic undertone established by ID4. It's the same problem with trying to take the Stargate franchise too seriously. We're seeing that in reverse with the original film being serious and well received, if dated, while the followup (SG1) made it comedic so the two just don't work together. Every time they've tried to shift away from the comedic aspects, it lessened the franchise because fans weren't there for that. That ended with Stargate Universe that tried to capitalize on the success of Lost, but in space. There's an attempt to go back to the movie's canon and ignore the TV side of the franchise, but I honestly think that ship has sailed. Once you've made a joke out of something, I don't think you can go back while the comedy audience is still a significant portion of your target audience. While I agree Jeff Goldblum completely changed between movies, his character also kind of took on his father's personality. I did rewatch the original just before going to see this and I wasn't phased by it. Yes, it's a whole new personality with no reason for the change, but the former President also has a similarly different personality that we accept because they did give a reason for it. Part of that is because Jeff Goldblum is a non-actor. He always plays a loudmouthed guy who jumbles out nonsense. It turns out to be right later in the movie because he's also typecast as Ian Malcolm, but the "character" is always the same version of himself he portrays any time a camera is pointed at him. Much like Will Smith, Tom Cruze and nearly every actor on the A-list. If you look at Jeff Goldblum "out of character" in the 90s, he's just David/Ian. If you look at him now when "out of character", he's just this version of David and the Grandmaster. And audiences just kind of accept that with big name actors between films.

[@danielmedela8725]

Independence Day, like Waterworld or Jumanji, is the kind of movie you have seen a dozen times, and yet when they put it in tv on a Saturday, you sit and watch.

[@iriswaldenburger2315]

Coz it’s a GOOD MOVIE, unlike the crap they produce nowadays

[@drunkenastarte5243]

Battle: Los Angeles absolutely destroys ID4 as the best aliens vs. US/humans movie Yes, ID4 still has it's "stupid dumb silliness" fun factor, but Battle LA is gritty, grounded and a helluva lot more believable in every way. Also, Battle LA is literally a Tau recon cadre vs. elite PDF... For the Emperor!

[@WTFisTingispingis]

I never heard anybody say that about Waterworld.

[@admanios]

Replace Waterworld with Tremors, and you're on to something.

[@danielmedela8725]

@@admanios Never watched Tremors, but I´ve heard a lot of good things from it.

[@EhFrank]

I love that you can tell a number of people made comments on this video before they even watched it. Comments saying "Remember the horrible sequel??" Yes I remember, because the video spends half its runtime talking about it.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Quick, call the comment police! Someone wrote a comment halfway through the video!

[@HellecticMojo]

@@TheSuperappelflap Comment police here. Shame on you if you comment about video's content without seeing it

[@jebus42069]

​@@TheSuperappelflap quick call the idiot police! You're here!

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@HellecticMojo alright officer. I have my hands out the window. Please don't shoot!

[@JustinStarrPhotography]

The Independence Day sequel is the closest I’ve ever come to walking out of a theater. It was painful.

[@RM2011ish]

I was excited to see it and the trailers looked really good. I took my friends to go see it. I'm still apologizing for that to this day.

[@JustinStarrPhotography]

@@RM2011ish same. My dad were stoked and went together. We kept looking at each other throughout the film asking one another “should we leave?” It was rough.

[@franklinkinmartin]

My “It sucks but I like it anyway” film is 2008 Speed Racer

[@Scorch_the_skywing]

You know it’s a good day when pointlesshub uploads

[@anth636]

🦅🇺🇸

[@spook407]

Even better, it’s independence day

[@FluffyTheDragon]

uwu yes

[@salty_gamer8390]

that's a fact

[@HowToChangeName]

Cody is to Emerich as to Space Ice is to Seagal

[@TheJamesBJones]

A fun little fact: “ID4” was the film’s back-up name. Warner Bros. owned the rights to another film called “Independence Day,” which Emmerich and Devlin wanted, and lD4 was spun up as a backup in case the filmmakers couldn’t pressure 20th Century Fox into negotiating for the name rights.

[@ObsessiveGeek]

That always confused me, it makes you think there’s three other “ID” movies that somehow you’ve never heard of.

[@BR-jw7pm]

You’re the biggest Roland Emmerich fan/defender and it took you THIS long to review this film?!

[@mikepatton8691]

Saving the best for last!

[@louisduarte8763]

He waited for the right time.

[@garrettgoss2691]

That clip of Cody falling down the stairs never fails to make me giggle like crazy

[@HansTheWarCriminal]

For those who were wondering Beginning: 00:00 End: 42:59

[@VikingTeddy]

Thank you for the public service. I hate having to scroll back and forth looking for the beginning.

[@eothe8802]

Thank you, I needed this

[@M_.M979]

The didn't deserve, hero we needed but.

[@fernandogimenez7520]

You just save my life

[@Death_Korps_Officer]

Much appreciated

[@frostmourne1986]

The plane crash is so iconic it even made its way into Metal Slug 2.

[@christopherwall2121]

The original version where Russell flew his crop duster into the fight with a nuke strapped to it, practically.

[@crocidile90]

​@@christopherwall2121 yeah and that got scrapped later on (I think the scene exists in a directors commentary) and even that was too ridiculous and depressing.... so I liked how they allowed the borderline schizo drunk to fly an actual combat plane instead of a nuke strapped crop duster (can they even carry nuke ordinance?) to make the sacrifice with the vindictive joyful "Hello boys, I'm back!"

[@pixelcat29]

Man metal slug is the goat.

[@Trinin]

I can't believe how perfect this timing is for you posting this. I just re-watched the first movie for the first time in like 10 years.

[@dannyburrington1467]

37:44 to be fair almost every modern movie with Jeff goldblum is just him being Jeff goldblum

[@lazarpeuraca9618]

I love the implication of the intro that Cody's indestructible.

[@sinisterintelligence3568]

I tend to disagree with the critics of this film. Yes, it's a dumb, bland popcorn movie but it hits all the right beats of that classic disaster movie. I like how it's well paced and acted and the scale of it all makes you thinks that it's an actual disaster happening outside. "Independence Day" also is one of the very few movies of this type (a popcorn film) that has all the story arcs of its characters completed; granted out of extraordinary circumstances. For example, President Witmore, being seen as a lame-duck president, finally becomes the country's warrior in its time of need and the Will Smith character finally got to have a chance to fly in space. For me, the Steven Hiller character was my first introduction of a prominent black man in an important role on film (I was born in 1992). It's a movie whose special effects hold up extremely well and is certainly of a different era entirely from the special effects today. It almost looks more modern today than it did 26 plus years ago. There will simply never be another "Independence Day". Ever.

[@mouserue]

I'm going to take issue with calling it a "dumb, bland popcorn movie." Sure, if you critique it academically, which the professional critics did at the time, you can say that. But this movie does what the sequel and more modern popcorn flicks don't - it resonates. Despite the video suggesting it's only good in hindsight, he's wrong. The public absolutely loved this movie when it came out and they absolutely love it now. It played damn near every day on some cable station for a decade after it was released for that reason. Like the video suggested, and for all the reasons you list in your comment, it presented a situation that people could relate to--via grounded filming techniques and actual reverence for landmarks beyond just cannon fodder--put unique, charismatic, and human characters in that situation, and resolved it in a way that reflected the emotions anyone in that situation would be looking for. Is it a 1:1 reflection of reality? No, of course not. But it allows the audience a means in which to become more emotionally invested in a way that an accurate reflection of reality can't. Too often these days, everyone seems to be eager to tear something down because characters don't act the way they think they should, then they wonder why more modern movies make them feel nothing. Most people in the 90s didn't go into a movie with that mindset, and so we weren't besieged on all sides by superheroes as the only means for indulging our fantastical ya-yas. That's just my two cents, at least.

[@KäptnKrückschwank]

@@mouserue oh it‘s dumb, but it sure as hell isn’t bland

[@MusicoftheDamned]

I feel like it could have been better paced, especially since I forgot that it's over two hours. That might take only cutting out like ten minutes and, as someone who rewatched it last night, do away with those blinding and overbloomed wipe edits that are way too numerous.

[@sinisterintelligence3568]

@@MusicoftheDamned Respectfully disagree! That's one of the quirky things I like about it.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

There were plenty of black people with prominent roles in 70s and 80s movies. Blazing Saddles? Beverly Hills Cop? What were you watching before this movie came out? The whole "people with X amount of melanin dont get big roles" narrative didnt even start until the 2010s

[@Leprechaunproduction]

I'm a 38 year old man and I still think this movie is the greatest thing ever. It has visual effects that hold up to this day, charming characters who are perfectly cast, kick-ass action scenes, and the most hot-blooded, patriotic music Hollywood has ever made. But most of all, it has that 90's fun vibe you don't get anymore, the kind where despite all the death and destruction, there's still a light-hearted tone to keep it from getting too dark, complete with fist-pumping 'hell yeah!' moments in the third act, and a happy ending that really works. And you know what? I like the sequel, too. Is it as great as the original? No, but it does a lot of things right: The original cast aren't turned into depressed losers; the world is absolutely better off because of everyone's efforts in the first film, the destruction scenes are still as spectacular as always, and it is a lot more upbeat than almost every legacy sequel these days. And to nitpick, Whitmore's sacrifice forced the Queen out into the open and weakened her shield enough that it could be destroyed, allowing her to be killed, which saved humanity. If Whitmore hadn't sacrificed himself, the Queen would have survived, and humanity would have been destroyed. In case I haven't conveyed it well enough, I love the first movie to death and always will. And hell, I'll happily take the sequel, too. And if there was ever a third one, I'd go out and see it opening day, too.

[@FlammieLL]

Hear hear!

[@SniperFallen06]

Same for me The sequel may not be better than the original but still it's a good film on it's own right

[@LeoInterVir]

Your first sentence applies to me too.

[@theiranianputin2770]

Same here!

[@Cobalt_Dragon0716]

"Welcome to Earth!" (Punches alien, then takes a seat on its spaceship and begins smoking a cigar) "Now THAT'S what I call a close encounter!"

[@TetraDax]

Fun Fact: Ethan Hawke was originally supposed to play the Will Smith role, but thought the script was so bad that he threw it out of his car window in the middle of the highway. Roland Emmerich later claimed he always wanted to cast Will Smith, but the studio initially refused because they didn't want a black lead character, so Roland had to fight hard to be allowed to cast Smith. Which, if true: Well done Roland!

[@buragi5441]

Classic Hollywood, always getting in the way of filmmakers' vision because of society's norms. Today if someone wanted a white male lead they have to basically go through the same nonsense as those who wanted to cast black leads back then, execs only caring about numbers going up, with the only difference now being that it's trendy to pump out checklist token "characters" for those sweet DEI points. Point of my tangent being, suits are just evil greedy bastards.

[@wilddingo0]

Fun fact after dark.... Independence Day is a sequel to The Patriot

[@phantomwraith1984]

Will ended up being the best character in the movie

[@tsepheletseka5115]

Hmm. So the studio was racist. Okay.

[@zolden37]

I love that animated intro

[@MadPaperMario]

Dbz better

[@AncientWonder54]

At least Stargate went on to spawn a very beloved franchise. 1:48

[@lordmontymord8701]

One that Emmerich didn't like ... how funny is that.

[@michaelthomas5433]

Wait for the reboot. :(

[@leithaziz2716]

Stargate is the one with Christopher Judge which began his career, right? Good on that dude, he even voices Kratos now.

[@michaelthomas5433]

@@leithaziz2716 The series not the movie.

[@Sig509]

@@leithaziz2716 Yes, and made Richard Dean Anderson somthign more than MacGyver. The chemistry there is just great, and even the Atlantis spinoff, while inferior in my opinion, is still fine. only Startgate Universe failed, and the latter seasons of SG-1 with the whole Ori arc or whatever their name was, is less popular than the original stuff, but hey, limited presence of RDA, so not so popular episodes. Stargate was just a great mix of camp, sci-fi and humor. They even made an episode where we see an in-universe TV series based on them :D

[@joepilkinton6342]

The falling down the stairs animation actually sent me😂😂

[@irkalla100]

"Oh its garbage, but I love it." Same here 100%.

[@ZontarDow]

ID2 flopping saved us from Emmrich making a Stargate reboot.

[@summernovah]

Do you mean with a new TV show or a new movie?

[@ZontarDow]

@@summernovah movie

[@iriswaldenburger2315]

@@summernovaha movie that regards the tv shows as NOT CANON for that matter

[@DavidAnderson-m5c]

In 1996, Netscape was still the biggest thing about the internet, before AOL and Google really came into their own. I remember that in the mid-90s, the internet had just become widely available to ordinary users, and people were experimenting with all sorts of creative ideas and formats. Then the trailer for ID4 came out. Because it was digital, it could be made available for downloading. As I recall, it was probably the first thing to ever "break" the internet. Everybody was going nuts over the few seconds of the desert airfield attack scene, which I think is the single part of the movie that really sold all those tickets.

[@wckvn]

I still watch this move every 4th of July. No joke. Every year.

[@MrEW1985]

Independance Day is not stupid enough. Moonfall is completely bonkers and that is why I truly loved Moonfall and only mildly like ID.

[@anubusx]

Live action Mask Of Majora.

[@furrybogard9724]

Moonfall had to start somewhere

[@Randomaccount9470]

Fxck you actually right 😂​@@anubusx

[@larrystevens7410]

Yeah, well what about the idiots who think Moonfall is a documentary. How dumb is that? LOL

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

@@larrystevens7410I’ll take that over “BEST MOVIE EVER MADE, oh my gawddd what a masterpiece!!! When the moon came I literally CRIED, And when the robots killed the man - CHILLZ”

[@SourRobo8364]

Pitch Meeting and Pointless Hub both release an Independence Day video? Best July 4th ever!

[@jestingacorn]

I forgot A-Train was a pilot in the sequel. That was a jumpscare.

[@nerdporkspass1m1st78]

The extent to which this movie influenced pop culture. It sure didn’t have a multimillion movie franchise, but damn was it immortalized in the clips of 2020s KZbinr’s B-roll.