Everything Wrong With Black Widow In 18 Minutes Or Less

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Black Widow finally got her own movie, and it's pretty awesome. Still has sins though.
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[@CinemaSins]

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[@sexmachine77]

The was ok l guess 🤔

[@hermatred572]

Nice

[@Incomprehensibly79]

father

[@Jasm783]

Imagine you were a gaming channel 😂

[@air03man]

Brought to you by "marvel's the eternals" featuring 2 bonus end credits scenes in theaters this Friday better stay for the end credit scenes if I were you

[@didachippy258]

Seriously, though, we women do talk about clothing articles that have a lot of pockets because of how fucking rare it is.

[@bethanyfleet1181]

Especially if it's a dress with pockets. It's just so exciting😅

[@onemoreweirdo207]

No we don't

[@thatHARVguy]

@@bethanyfleet1181 Murder pockets? kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3W4oaZqobxjbdU

[@bethanyfleet1181]

@@thatHARVguy Very useful

[@kyobear5453]

the fake pockets makes me angry lol 😂

[@raydunakin]

I loved the "sin off" for "Throwing Windows phones into large bodies of water." LOL!!

[@krisirizarry]

Do they even still make Windows phones? (I used to have one around 2014😅)

[@tyrone5969]

@@krisirizarry I just found out from a friend that they do. I genuinely thought they stopped making them, and I have literally no idea how they're still a thing.

[@MidhunCM]

@@tyrone5969 Microsoft doesn't make Windows based phones anymore, but they do make Android ones

[@TTaiiLs]

Littering/pollution smh

[@kingcosworth2643]

There needed to be a 'sin on' for that explosion that threw the car down the bridge, 500g of high explosive just tears a hole in the car, anything more just blows it more to pieces, it doesn't 'throw' the car in one piece, poorly.

[@alittlebithailey5994]

Okay but the pocket thing. Have you ever complimented a woman on their outfit and they *havent* said “thanks, it has pockets?” Pockets are the supreme form of conversation

[@miamanning5315]

@@Raya-ir4tm I hate bags and there are jeans with no pockets or fake pockets sucks smh

[@aguythatsrandom]

I'm certain it probably has something to do with how skin tight women's clothes already are. So putting something in your pocket would most likely be an unbearable and uncomfortable experience. Hence the no pockets or fake pockets. Which brings in the purses and stuff. Also not complementing women on any outfit and catching so ridiculous charge for being nice...

[@13crystals61]

@@Raya-ir4tm Do you know WHY most women put their stuff in bags?

[@lucidfangirl1030]

Ive never said that to anyone, but I hate fake pockets in pants very much

[@Shrektopuz]

@@13crystals61 Because they are too primitive to use pockets

[@unbreakablesense]

Their fingers not being on the trigger is one of the most believable moments in the movie. Highly trained assassins should have excellent trigger discipline.

[@bevstanx-8840]

True

[@assanesambagueye4132]

You would know XD

[@rocket_thunderstud]

Came to the comments to make sure someone said this. Good catch!

[@alexg4462]

Finger discipline is fine and all but they both should have been pulling the trigger. I mean they were just trying to kill the crap out of eachother and it's just odd that they both would stopout of the blue like that for no reason.

[@ArjunSingh-rb8ly]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4G6c4OXiMidrZY Absolutely Spider Man

[@kingamacius8141]

The sin removal for throwing the windows phone into the water just killed me 😩🤣

[@alm2187]

Am I the only one who's still half-awake when these things come out? Cute bit that got me doing a quick replay to see if I'd heard right. 🙃

[@natsukage3960]

Yep. Windows phones are just good to buy, makes calls and then throw away it seems. Even for spies! Then again, I loved my Nokia WP for the camera at 48mp. Still takes better pictures than my P30.

[@gentblue]

Though the Nokia Lumia 1020 was something else. Windows phones would still be a thing if they had given that phone camera a decent processor!

[@blazingblade7061]

I lost $30 watching this movie

[@natsukage3960]

@@gentblue Yes, the camera is way better than most others, except in low light. Better processing would have made wonders.

[@romanmorozov6974]

I learned English as a second language, first one was Russian. I was always told that they are called “fireflies”. So the fact that Russian spies call them “fireflies” in a “lightning bug” territory is accurate. Tho I bet it wasn’t intentional at all lol

[@phoenixnyc]

Have you ever read the novelization of 2010: Odyssey Two? It involves a joint American-Soviet (it was written in the 80s) space mission, and one character mounts a campaign to "stamp out Russlish!"--horrible manglings of both languages he claims to have overheard.

[@slavistoyanov432]

I confirm. We were also taught 'Firefly' in Bulgaria.

[@hwaondagi]

I call them fireflies and I'm American

[@Awestefeld6612]

@@hwaondagi as an American I call them both.

[@rahbeeuh]

@@hwaondagi what region? The region you're from is important here

[@Sophie-wn2wo]

Ok but the intro with the child traffic and the becoming of the widows was honestly one of the best I've ever seen. Goosebumps.

[@daywalker3735]

I hated that part lol

[@fullyrandomuser2538]

@@daywalker3735 same I thought that way about the whole movie

[@probablylucky6671]

Unfortunately completely ruined by that awful cover of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" that I can't believe people keep saying is good.

[@kagithkagith]

Great opening credits for an otherwise underwhelming movie. AND ruining a fan favourite comic book character with no real justification. This really IS the MCU's X-Men Origins: Wolverine

[@daywalker3735]

@@kagithkagith I can't decide which was worse.....

[@ProductBasement]

I was hoping this would be more cloak-and-dagger stuff, since she's a spy and all. I want to know how she ended up captured by Russians and tied to a chair, but still had her phone at the beginning of The Avengers

[@catlover5o187]

Wasn’t her phone it was a henchmans

[@queenofqueen-4598]

And she wanted to get captured. That was the whole plan of them capturing her so she could finish her mission

[@ProductBasement]

@@queenofqueen-4598 okay? Neither of those facts mean I don't want to know how she got there

[@hearthstonepunchingbag9457]

@@catlover5o187 - It was her phone, they had obviously taken it from her before tying her to the chair because it was sitting on the table behind the "boss" when it rang, and he answered it, then... inexplicably... gave it to her to talk.

[@Exera80]

"She... Is ... People" Is almost litterally what I said when she fell down and just stands up.

[@bastienlafleur5838]

Why tho? Everytime someone says that I just wonder if they saw other Marvel movies before. Black Widow was able to tank so much crazy stuff in the other movies, honestly, all the damage she takes in her movie just make her insane durability more consistent.

[@dbjdi]

@@bastienlafleur5838 I can't think of her taking nearly as much damage in another marvel movie. Do you have one in mind?

[@bastienlafleur5838]

@@dbjdi Natasha was always consistenly shown to have superhuman durability, even prior to the Black Widow movie: -She tanked a slap from Hulk. -She was buried under debris by Abomination and got back up like nothing happened. -She tanked knee strikes to the face from Proxima Midnight. -She took a brutal fall off of Hulk's back while holding on to him when he was doing like 100 m jumps in the air and somehow didn't get her arms ripped off. -She grabbed on a speeding Chitauri chariot without getting her arms ripped off. -She got caught in the explosion of a grenade inside of a tank with only a goon that was in front of her and coughed it off to then go back to fighting like nothing happened. -She tanked an explosive arrow from up close.

[@blackmantis3130]

@@bastienlafleur5838 Dude you're mentioning things that happened in the comics. Things that can't happen in a movie adaptation. 🤦

[@bastienlafleur5838]

@@blackmantis3130 What? All these things happened in the movies. Except for one which was part of a tie-in comic (that are directly linked to the movies). I can literally tell you from what movie each of these durability feats come from: -She tanked a slap from Hulk. (The Avengers) -She was buried under debris by Abomination and got back up like nothing happened. (Tie-in comic) -She tanked knee strikes to the face from Proxima Midnight. (Infinity war) -She took a brutal fall off of Hulk's back while holding on to him when he was doing like 100 m jumps in the air and somehow didn't get her arms ripped off. (Age of Ultron) -She grabbed on a speeding Chitauri chariot without getting her arms ripped off. (The Avengers) -She got caught in the explosion of a grenade inside of a tank with only a goon that was in front of her and coughed it off to then go back to fighting like nothing happened. (Civil War) -She tanked an explosive arrow from up close. (Endgame)

[@KingChiggy]

How does she know that Hawkeye is the one that “caused” Widow’s death? Did the Avengers openly talk about it to people? Were they asked how Natasha died and Barton went “I dropped her off a cliff”?

[@davesouthword1298]

Val is lying, because we know Clint did not cause her death. She wants him out of the way for whatever reason and giving Yelena a little dead sibling motivation is a smart move.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

@@davesouthword1298 And Val wants to make the Avengers on her own which called "Dark Avengers". So far, she got Yelena and John Carter as the new Black Widow and US Agent. Probably she will go to Ross as Red Hulk in She-Hulk series. She is Female version of Nick Fury and in the comic, they used to be couple.

[@CWazBroadwayBandGeek]

@@margarethmichelina5146 Aren’t they the Thunderbolts? Pretty sure that’s their *actual* name.

[@rynehall9990]

Wine loosens tongues

[@Henlak-]

That whole plot line can be solved with one conversation. Yelna: "You killed my sister!" Barton: "Hey do you remember when half the planet disappeared into thin air and the Avengers were able to bring everyone back? In what world does it make sense for me to kill ur sister, you knew we were on the same side and I had 0 reason to want her dead. Hell she was my bestfriend and we weren't even working for S.H.E.I.L.D anymore so it wasn't a planned assassination. Your sister sacrificed herself to save the universe and I think we both know that is completely in her character" Yelna: "...okay fair enough" There is no logical reason why Barton would kill Natasha or why anyone would believe that Barton killed Natasha in the context of what was going on in the world.

[@Jeffery00cox]

Re: Fireflies: they are Russian spies and that was the tell. Just like holding up 3 fingers in Inglourious Basterds.

[@visala4495]

I speak English as a second language and firefly just sounds better. That's it, I took a stance

[@charlieiscorrect2856]

I agree

[@pepijnw.357]

I also speak english as a seconde language and.... Lightning bug till i die!

[@visala4495]

@@pepijnw.357 Fight me on it you liker of pretentious nonsense! Lighting bug is long and not sleek at all

[@pepijnw.357]

@@visala4495 so? it sounds awesome! Not like your kiddy "fire fly" also @charley is correct... False

[@EclecticFruit]

Welcome to the war. Get your vest and weapons ready

[@mykidsaresupercute]

I love the outrage over the hangman game.

[@timy9197]

And tic-tac-toe

[@FuuNoKamiOka75]

My outrage was that the narrator of this video said the word was "battlefield" when there are only 2 more underlines after the F. The word is clearly Butterfly.

[@mykidsaresupercute]

@@FuuNoKamiOka75 I noticed that. The A had already been guessed too

[@patrickwentzell4638]

👍👍😁

[@kpeterst]

10:51 Unalom is “boredom” in Hungarian. That may be a real vandalized object in Budapest Subway.

[@Safferman]

“Throwing windows phones into large bodies of water” - the funniest sin removal ever 🤣

[@CarlDraper]

best thing to do to them lol

[@elitewolverine]

I laughed so hard too. Despite it being my favorite mobile OS before its demise. Now rocking the oneplus 9 pro but man I miss my Nokia WP

[@mrtompinney]

I agree with the sin on “You didn’t have to steal his car.” However, it should have been followed by a sin removal for “What, do you want me to chase him down and un-steal it?” Also, a general -5 sins for Florence Pugh being an absolute treasure.

[@amyhawke9240]

I don't know if you've ever worn women's clothing, but having functional pockets is actually a rarity.

[@crabbieappleton]

As Michael Scott found out the hard way....

[@cameronjohnson5256]

Why don't you do something about your problems and design your own pants?

[@amyhawke9240]

@@cameronjohnson5256 Why would I need to do that when I could wear a vest with lots of pockets?

[@jacknapier9378]

@@cameronjohnson5256 Right, like everyone has the time for that. Most of us just wear men's clothes or deal with it lol

[@onemoreweirdo207]

It's not, you are probably just shopping at the wrong places. checking before buying isn't hard.

[@Ancano]

The movie is just one big "She survives this!"

[@E3ECO]

Because... reasons.

[@simpayshenaides]

cant believe you guys are new to this she literally survived fighting aliens in the First Avenger movie

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Of course she's gonna survived after we see her real death in Endgame

[@Epic_Amir_Hamza]

Just to point out the Red Room (at least in the comics) provide the Black Widows with some superhuman enhancements typically immunity to all drugs and pathogens, above average durabilty, reflexes, flexibility, stamina and not instantaneous but more effective healing factor. I always assumed the same for the movies but everybody seems to think she and Widows are still just normal when they aint.

[@eddahchepkirui4507]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWHQqKCnesuChKs

[@Je.rone_]

This movie could've been called: "Passing the torch cause scarletts contract is up" Or "Widow survives this, (ding)"

[@ludwigamadeushaydn706]

Not pushing the torch, torching the past...

[@mun123keet]

Or Black Widow's Sister.

[@RandomPerson-gf6gd]

Dude “widow survives this,” happened so many times my MOM commented on it.(all I was hearing in my head was “black widow survives this”

[@DaviniaHill]

If you mean "because" then it is 'cause. Not cause.

[@jakubrejak1114]

@@ludwigamadeushaydn706 Someone has been watching too much Mauler...

[@mintyfresh2357]

The whole time I was watching the movie with my sister and mother, I could not stop saying “up, that’s a broken shoulder” “sheee’s gonna need some new organs-“ “✨broken ribs✨” “honestly, she just straight up dead”

[@marleenINDIGO]

same

[@DeepFriedKangaroo2]

I would hate watching a movie with you, no offense

[@bobbyfeet2240]

To be fair, Tony Stark should have been chunky salsa a hundred times over. That suit cannot possibly protect him from the kind of accelerations he got over and over. It can stop energy attacks and sharp weapons, sure. But slamming into the ground at a hundred miles an hour is going to kill you, armor or no armor. That Nat survives these is unrealistic, but still relatively believable.

[@mintyfresh2357]

@@DeepFriedKangaroo2 yeah fair lol. People do not love how much i comment on movies while watching. Its part of the experience for me but i don’t like to disturb other peoples watching experience. If told beforehand, i can keep it down (mostly 😅)

[@jells31]

thats marvel writing for ya

[@jenniferrogers9247]

the problem i have with the whole her going after hawkeye thing is they literally have a conversation ab clint and nat earlier in the movie when they’re in their hideout…

[@KissedByFire16]

i literally can't imagine Yelena seeking revenge for her sister against Hawkeye. It seems really out of character. But then that Blonde girl from Captain America becoming a Crime Lord seemed out of character as well so i guess Marvel will just do whatever it wants

[@bandhere728]

Yup it’s part of the mcu bad writing. It’s impossible for Yelena not to do her research about her sister true death before going after Hawkeye. We all know there going to end up having a quick fight scene and then out nowhere Yelena realizes she was duped and then her and Clint work together to beat the bad guy in the Hawkeye show. This is just way too predictable writing and I was shocked people were like oh crap in my theater when they saw that post credits scene I was like wow the MCU definitely makes people lose some common sense 😅

[@radioraheem9820]

How does anyone besides the Avengers even know what happened. If they told the world did they not tell the full story or the situation

[@bandhere728]

@@radioraheem9820 true but even if the avengers didn’t tell the world the truth, the mcu writers has basically given black widow and Hawkeye enough history to where if Yelena asked around or even saw and read about past avengers mission she would have realized that Hawkeye and black widow are friends. Also I’m pretty sure in the show Yelena is going to make an of hand remark on how black widow did tell her about a certain friend who help saved her life and help her become a good guy… oh wait that is Hawkeye😅 and black widow released all of those shield secrets back in the second captain America movie so the whole world knows about black widow and Hawkeye past with one another. Also black widow definitely told Yelena about being best friends and a godparent to Hawkeye family. That post credit scene was just made to push the plot of the Hawkeye show to build “tension” but as always everyone is going to make videos about why this tension makes no sense after they fight in the show and realize they are on the same side.😅

[@rhumrunners7]

Marvel doesn’t care

[@seanrobertson3833]

Don't watch the Disney+ shows, so had to do some googling. Really? She is a crime lord? From memory I was pretty certain she was a pure good guy.

[@TimeBucks]

he doesn’t say anything but just sins the “great reveal”

[@C00LGuy47]

I guess Jeremy wanted the sin to speak for its self.

[@Sheikrisvan1991]

Cool

[@ArjunSingh-rb8ly]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4G6c4OXiMidrZY Absolutely Spider Man

[@magentapurpleyap5566]

I appreciate this.

[@ViolinistJeff]

Needed a sin for how easily Yelena cuts the straps on the hospital bed with her knife. You need at least 10 - 30 seconds to saw through them.

[@aerfanfiction4459]

15:50 I like to think that when this happens, one useless attack of some sort followed by many, many more, the pause is actually the other people quickly getting onto Malcolm for ruining their synchronized plan and having an itchy trigger. Every time, it's the same guy named Malcolm. Just floating from job to job in an endless, eternal cycle until he can finally get that finger under control.

[@LoudPackMuzikChannel]

"Why is he holding a physical copy of the save symbol" Thats hilarious. I never even considered that lol

[@Water_Me_Loan_64_YT]

Hahaha *Sin Removal Sound*

[@gregmacfd3]

When?

[@Tonatar]

The star tattoos are actually legit as they are very popular among the prisoners who decide to live by "the concepts" and depending where it is tattoed, different meanings are held.

[@moyza_]

Where can I find more about this?

[@turbo8628]

I watxhed a documentary on russian prison tattoos years ago. fascinating stuff

[@tatyanan1997]

Wow that's actuelly really interesting

[@pancakestack4439]

Yeah, thanks for the information that I can guarantee I would not have learned elsewhere.

[@DJSockmonkeyMusic]

@@moyza_ there's an encyclopaedia of Russian prison tattoos, I flicked through a copy about a decade ago. Don't remember the title but it was pretty thick.

[@MFCboricua]

You forgot a sin for a random stranger knowing how Hawkeye "killed" Natasha on a distant planet, let alone a different timeline altogether. LoL

[@AbbzJordan]

Yes! I said the same thing. How tf would she know how Natasha died?!

[@MFCboricua]

@@AbbzJordan Maybe it was Red Skull in disguise, up to his old tricks (though I highly doubt it).? Aside from him, only the Avengers know. It's not something that would be made privy to.

[@adelinelacroix6743]

Did you watch any of the marvel shows on disney+? I think she showed up in the show with the winter soldier and anthony mackie. Forgetting his superhero name rn but yeah that show. She's not completely random

[@MFCboricua]

@@adelinelacroix6743 I have Disney+, but never watched Falcon and the Winter Soldier. It's fine if she's introduced in that show. My point is that she wasn't physically present to be able to know what happened to Natasha, unless someone who was there or otherwise involved with the main Avenger's crew told her. That's why her knowing, is somewhat random, at least to me.

[@adelinelacroix6743]

@@MFCboricua lol her appearance was weird too in that show. I agree with you here

[@regiman222]

3:21 Damn it, now I feel old for being around when Floppy disks were still a thing, I never used them because I was a child and didn't have to save things to external devices, but I knew what they were and my dad had a lot of them.

[@emmankalayo1371]

same feeling but i did experienced using them, even the thinner (but bigger ones - 8-inch and 5.25inch).. eons years ago (LOL), our high school lab computers can only be booted by any of these bootable floppy disks..lol (its understable during 90's in our country, we are only starting to get the hang of computers, social media etc).. even our first cmputer lesson on programming is the famous "hello world" display :D

[@mahadaalvi]

I feel like this movie should definitely have been released before infinity war. It would've been much more enjoyable not knowing whether or not she lived.

[@sheahunsinger9801]

Multiverse bro

[@ianstiehl1994]

Idk about that man. Would anyone really believe that widow would do in an independent, non-Avengers movie

[@chasehedges6775]

@@sheahunsinger9801 👍👍👍👍💯💯💯

[@timy9197]

As if there was any chance this avenger would die in a solo movie

[@davidmcgill1000]

They were trying to get this movie made for years. I'm amazed it ever got released at all.

[@jannikweil1314]

Since "battlefield" has 11 letters and an "a" in it and the word in the hangman game has only 9 letters and neither contains "v", "n", "a", "k(?)", "o", "m" or "i", the word is probably "butterfly" which is actually not a bad word to choose in this game. The fact that guessing "b", "t" and "f" before "e", "u" is still absolutely unrealistic to me, as well as having "v" as one of your first guesses.

[@Undheimartin]

Dude just sinned CinemaSins

[@Cbrmkn98xs]

@@Undheimartin lmao

[@soojinumma]

Looking at the letters under it reads as "unalom", which means boredom in Hungarian :) but I might be wrong to read this into it.

[@ArjunSingh-rb8ly]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4G6c4OXiMidrZY Absolutely Spider Man

[@username2323]

Honestly you would be insanely fun to play hangman with based on that deductive reasoning lmao

[@grandmotherproductions9380]

This is very funny and I was soooo happy when he sinned the jacket and its lack of pockets at the end. That drove me nuts when I saw it! "It only has two pockets!" "It does have a lot of pockets" "No it doesn't!" It really shocked me because it's in plain sight! "The director must know we can see the jacket and it does not have a lot of pockets, right?" In a very meh movie that made me very mad.

[@JcFerggy]

Here is a missed sin. The My Little Pony that Yalaina has in the opening flash back is from the 2010 reboot that started the brony phenomenon, instead of being a time appropriate one from the 80s&90s.

[@user-xl9du1bf8t]

Finally someone else noticed 😪

[@daywalker3735]

Good catch

[@calvinsmith4641]

Whenever my mom wanted me or my siblings to do something fast as kids, she would say “fast, like a lightning bug!” Only when I was 14 did I find out lightning bugs are in fact fireflies and they are not fast lol

[@slipton9797]

“She is people!” is my new favorite CinemaSins line.

[@anikmonette2140]

To be fair, the pocket conversation is spot on depending on where you work. I'm a clerk and I'm still waiting for any uniform upgrade to happen since the only pants with pockets are men's pants! I wear my own pants along with a fannypack. Gotta put the boxcutter and phone somewhere!

[@thismessymasterpiece]

2:42 lifelong marylander here to tell you wtf are lightning bugs? it's fireflies

[@TheMimeGogo]

One sin you should have added in the end there with Taskmaster: In Nat's confrontations with Taskmaster earlier in the movie she was nigh unbeatable. But in the last fight - Taskmaster conveniently becomes inexplicably easy to disarm by an opponent who isn't even trying to fight back. Then actually wins the fight by using a Friendship finisher with the Red Air freshener.

[@SinSinny]

I think it’s because Nat did something she couldn’t copy because she didn’t and hadn’t known that Nat was going to do that. The whole premise of her abilities is to mimic any moves she’s seen and learned. She’s never seen that one

[@TheMimeGogo]

@@SinSinny That's why its a bad and nerfed adaptation of the character. Og Taskmaster counter adapts quickly to any improvised moves thrown his way - the only exception being Deadpool's unpredictability. But with what was shown in that end fight scene - ? where Nat managed to disarm her "because its a move She hadn't seen" ? - proof on paper - of a nerfed character. But if you ask me - the real reason - Writer Eric Pearson didn't give it enough thought - and they just needed to wrap up the movie as fast as possible. It's still a sin by the standards of this video, it's proof of lazy writing - and like you giving that reason, shows you dont know enough of the source material. You'd think in 40 years worth of comic lore - nobody has ever thought of beating Taskmaster "with a move he's never seen"? This isn't even deep cut obscure info - these are the basics. I don't fault you for that (not knowing, or thinking the way you do) of course - but I would expect writers to do the bare minimum of research for characters they're adapting - Antonia being disarmed in under a minute "because of a move she hasnt seen" - goes to show the writers didn't even bother.

[@SinSinny]

@@TheMimeGogo but why are u expecting a character who has had its sec and back story changed to be comic book accurate? When has marvel gone completely by the books?

[@TheMimeGogo]

@@SinSinny comic accuracy is not what im expecting at all. No adaptation needs to be a 1:1 copy from the source material - but to change 90% of something and call it the same thing is the textbook definition of a travesty (not kidding). Point is this adaptation is a waste, and spits in the eye of fans who would have otherwise supported the movie. "The changes work for the film" one might think... have you heard of Recluse/ The headmistress - Daughter of the Red Room Custodian, raised as a rival widow, hates Natasha. OR Iron Maiden (yes Melina) - a repeat Red Room reject who resorts to using a tech suit, and enhancements to become a BW villain. These are two characters among many from Nat's own rogues gallery who are already tied to her and the Red Room. Characters the movie writer chose to ignore, and instead use Taskmaster, an unrelated villain, butcher the character in many ways, and attach the label to this movie version. Here's a thought - if the story needed to change Taskmaster so much to the point it becomes unrecognizable - that means one thing - they didn't need the character in the first place. Just a wasted choice, since other characters would have better fit the bill. And (no offense) normies who have no attachment to the character make all these "reasons" to excuse something like having a perfect adaptavie and analytical killing machine, be dispatched in under a minute because of a "move she's never seen". Point stands - the MCU adaptation is a nerfed version, made by writers who didn't do the bare minimum of research, and wasted a character by forcing them into a story they didn't need to be in, while ignoring better characters already tied to the main character.

[@davidwate6057]

@@TheMimeGogo Nnnnneeeeeeerrrrrrddddd! But seriously, these are some very good points.

[@AssafStone]

I haven’t actually laughed out loud at a Cinema Sins video in a long while but the 5:50 “dropping windows phone into a large body of water” sin removal legit cracked me up.

[@Stephen_Lalrinawma]

Can you explain the meaning of that particular sin. I'm confused.

[@soratriforce2877]

@@Stephen_Lalrinawma I think it's because CinemaSins thinks Windows phones are lame, so seeing Nat drop the phone in the water is cathartic

[@ExGargoyle]

"You know what an old guy needs - a nasty f*cking recliner" - brilliant.

[@ucitymetalhead]

As a guy who loves a pocket filled vest her lines about the vest made me chuckle and nod in agreement.

[@greedyfoxgarage]

I did enjoy the line after they steal the car. " you want me to chase him down and unsteal it." Was a good line in a stale movie.

[@jimapplebee5322]

And no mention of when Yelena did the super hero pose, then shuddered & said ew, gross. That was hilarious.

[@catherinevilla8714]

Or when she ask if everyone is ok and her mom says “I’m clearly injured”

[@mercedesdrake9113]

good line in a great movie

[@iceman7157]

8:54 damn I really wanted you to include the joke Yelena makes. Natasha asks for "English" meaning layman's terms but Yelena instead replies in Russian but still gives a clearer answer lol

[@josuegarro5437]

It's not like Yelena doesn't knows that Hawkeye is also an Avenger and that there's no reason to think that he killed her or something, Clint probably knows more about Natasha than Yelena

[@_iamkar_]

20:42 AHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAH!!!

[@xxtinkerbell91xx]

As a woman, I can confirm we do actually get ridiculous excitedly about pockets.

[@pierresjc]

As a woman, do you also consider 2 pockets to be "so many pockets"?

[@xxtinkerbell91xx]

@@pierresjc I don’t know what to do with myself when there’s TWO of them! Lol

[@turbo8628]

@@xxtinkerbell91xx lmfao 🤣

[@alittleantidote5852]

I regularly buy men's jackets just for the copious amounts of pockets 😆

[@xxtinkerbell91xx]

@@alittleantidote5852 EXACTLY! Oh and don’t get me started on when pjs have them! The excitement! Lol

[@oofmaker3117]

I loved the rant about them calling it Fireflies in Ohio, and how he says “Twitter is going to hear about this tonight”!

[@Water_Me_Loan_64_YT]

You would not believe your eyes if 10 million Fireflies lit up the world as I fell asleep..

[@jessicayoung3656]

@@Water_Me_Loan_64_YT Cause they fill the open air and leave teardrops everywhere, you'd think me rude but i would just stand and stare...

[@Penguinz072]

Yes….. I loved that also.

[@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow]

In eastern PA at least, we call them fireflies

[@nevvie9269]

Lived in Ohio, for 40 years now, Fireflies, and Lightning bugs have been interchangeable since the 80's around here.

[@platypusnoiz93]

Good to know you stand on the correct side of the lightning bug/firefly debate

[@AMan_629]

From Long Island and I’ve never heard anyone actually call them lightning bugs. Fireflies all day baby

[@macksonamission1784]

The tic-tac-toe and hangman sin was possibly the most damning I've ever seen on this channel.

[@DillaDawg88]

Hillarious!

[@bendavies6510]

those "shield" agents who were shooting at the plane were actually Hydra

[@acousticmonkey2209]

Thank you! Natasha's entire arc would suddenly be skewed - though possible unexpectedly interesting - if they had been Shield.

[@loganbigmo]

They were S.H.I.E.L.D. agents though. Some of them might've been HYDRA, but not all of them. HYDRA infiltrated S.H.I.E.L.D. yes but the North Institute was a S.H.I.E.L.D. facility; its destruction meant Fury would sent teams out to catch Alexei. Thus not all of them are guaranteed HYDRA.

[@loganbigmo]

@@acousticmonkey2209 Even if they were all HYDRA, Natasha would've been unaware of that. She was unaware of HYDRA's existence post-WW2 until 2014 (CA:TWS). So as far as Natasha is concerned, even if she knew the guys shooting her were S.H.I.E.L.D. & not regular cops, it doesn't change the fact that she joined S.H.I.E.L.D. anyways.

[@acousticmonkey2209]

@@loganbigmo This is true. The sin was wrong, but I do think it would have been an interesting twist if it turned out the very people she worked for were the ones who ran her out of her "ordinary" life and sent her back to the Widow program. I know there would have been a lot of other things that would have had to happen for that to be the case, and people will list all the reasons why it can't but it's a fun idea to bounce around.

[@loganbigmo]

@@acousticmonkey2209 I don't think the sin was wrong. It was S.H.I.E.L.D. who ran her out of her ordinary life (granted, her adopted father set one of their facilities on fire & stole classified info to give to the Russians)

[@qzbnyv]

Some great Classic CInemaSins-style sins in this one, like the nitpickyness about the hangman/tic-tac-toe/battleship stuff. But because the return of the nitpickyness draws attention to the several low-effort years of its absence. DING! (…but for real Jeremy & team, I’m really enjoying that level of attention to individual scenes. Like the games in this ep, or the direction of the shadows in the Quiet Place 2 ep, etc. Keep up the good work :) )

[@KylaTalks]

They literally spend a whole scene in this movie talking about Clint. Lol.

[@shoshonnie7796]

What about the “protagonist talk over the phone to the police tracking them only for them to not be at the place they thought they were when they get there” cliché

[@Icerope-km9lu]

Or the "final boss is some fatass old dude that the hero can easily defeat right away but for some reason can't" cliche?

[@esorkgonzalez2262]

Correct on all counts you two.

[@Dorian-_-Gray]

It's played out enough to have become a passive-aggressive whine in the comments, that's what

[@shoshonnie7796]

@@Dorian-_-Gray or maybe it was busy with your mother

[@TheMimeGogo]

16:00 whoa whoa whoa. Im impressed you noticed that. In the comics, one of the REAL Taskmaster's abilities is to be able identify real people's identities simply because he can both read and memorize body movement. So the real Taskmaster would have immediately known this Melina was fake. But yeah, goes to show the writers dont know their shit and inadvertantly nerf down and otherwise great character. But impressive how even non comic readers can catch this.

[@endosym5414]

Here it's not referring to the taskmaster's ability, but the ability of the suit as had been shown earlier in the movie

[@Dinchev666]

Much like the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, this is not the real Taskmaster... this is Taskmaster protocol... The real Taskmaster is yet to be introruced... Let's call this a sip of Marvel property, to see how it is received...

[@Operation_Bagel]

@@Dinchev666 Ah so the real Taskmaster will come later to ultimately add nothing to the MCU then die in the same movie like Mandarin then?

[@BayAreaRushHour]

@@Operation_Bagel I doubt it but the backlash of taskmaster in this film might have then consider a more “true” replacement that is a minor recurring character in various movies

[@armeniusiidolores6749]

I laughed during "blackwidow can be a buddha and a pest in the cinemasins"😂 made my night

[@michaelmclaren8950]

I'm glad, as a person who survived 2 ruptured aneurysms, that they did not actually try "severing a nerve" in her face. It'd be offensive considering 1/3rd of my face is paralyzed.

[@dancrane3807]

And then, did she get the nerve repaired?

[@navila324]

“You know what an old guy needs is a nasty fucking recliner” -CS

[@mrwarr]

I love how Jeremy, clearly reading a script, waxed nostalgic about watching Fresh Prince and Saved by the Bell reruns as a kid, when he’s older than me and I watched new episodes of those shows. That’s a CinemaSins sin sin.

[@courtney-ray]

I thought this same thing!!

[@mrwarr]

@@butt.whytho hey, don’t you logic me. 😆

[@Graphomite]

That's not a sin, that's you being relative while using yourself as an objective reference against Jeremy's personal story. You seeing the show first has nothing to do with Jeremy's nostalgic memory, and I'm confused as to how/why you came to the conclusion that these two events are in any way related or contradict.

[@Summermichaela]

Literally the only thing I still don’t understand and what infuriated me is that fight between them? Like they was legit trying to kill each other yet…. Not because they’re sisters? It was just so random and unnecessary 😂😂😂

[@ellisongrace7021]

Is no one going to talk about how that pony toys she holds in the beginning of the film didn’t come out till 2010 and this was a 1995🤷‍♀️

[@tyrone5969]

The backpack/parachute thing has me dying. I wish they would've had some notebooks and crayons fly out of it. Not like she would've died from the fall anyhow.

[@Icerope-km9lu]

This happened in a fail when Henry Stickmin was escaping the prison lol

[@tyrone5969]

@@Icerope-km9lu what?! I must see this!

[@smolpotato1190]

I was watching Black Widow yesterday and i was thinking " Did Cinemasins do Black Widow video?" now this answered my question

[@beaverjedi1236]

I don't understand how someone that has been taught to kill and listen to their father for THEIR ENTIRE LIFE can just boon, switched sides. BLACK WIDOW BLEW HER UP.

[@brokenguardianangel8575]

There are a lot of zoomers who know about VHS tapes, floppy disks about having one comouter shared by the whole family. I lived through those and I miss the simpler times.

[@GreymansGoose]

I paused the video to say, so far I'm with you 95%, but never sin proper Trigger Discipline. Whether you're a top-rate assassin, or some guy in Texas with an open carry... you keep the finger off the trigger until you're ready to make it go pew pew. This demonstrates intelligence, and shows that the production company took the time to make sure the actors knew what they were doing before putting a highly volatile tool in someone's hand.

[@BackyardFilms2]

And if you don't you end up shooting your cinematographer

[@newsrapper]

Seems rusty

[@tyrone5969]

But the way her sister is holding the gun is completely absurd. I've never once seen someone grip a firearm like that, whether in my time in the army or at the range as a civilian. I'm glad to see a movie actually showing proper trigger discipline, but that's just an absurd way to grip a firearm.

[@robertagu3772]

@@BackyardFilms2 whom NEVER WAS supposed to be in front of a loaded or "loaded" an therefore potentially deadly weapon just in case. As couple the other chief rules is you treat all weapons as if they loaded an you NEVER aim at anyone or thing your not prepared to or trying to shoot

[@SgtSupaman]

@@robertagu3772 , from what I've seen, the camera shot they were trying to get was of the gun firing at the camera. The problem wasn't that the weapon was treated improperly, it was that it wasn't supposed to be a real weapon in the first place. That's fully on the moron that hands off a real gun and calls it a prop. Any movie with a gun will have guns pointed at actors that aren't actually supposed to be shot because that is how acting works.

[@MrDarkSidius]

12:21 Stars (wind roses) are popular in russian prisons, they go in symmetrical pairs, different positions and accompanied images means different things, that's why there is so many of them

[@Ramsey276one]

Wind Roses... I heard that somewhere before... in Spanish...

[@lumpyduckling3522]

Why do you know so much about the tattoo policies of Russian prisons?

[@MrDarkSidius]

@@lumpyduckling3522 meh, that's really not so much, as it just a superficial info. Like 80% TV series in Russia about cops and bandits, so you would remember something about prison eventually

[@Zeldagirlartist]

The thing that kinda bugged me was when widow sacrificed herself it felt satisfactory. You could see she was tired of living and had nothing to live for so it made sense she be the one who dies. But then this movie shows she had somewhat of a family and it makes me wonder why she wouldn’t keep that close relationship with her sister especially when she was feeling so down.

[@katielowe7970]

After watching hawkeye it makes more sense, yelena was snapped so she really was alone and probably tired of living.

[@michealdixon8808]

To answer the sarcastic question "Is Black Widow going to die?" sarcastic answer; Yes she is, we already saw it in Infinity Wars, so everything before that is anti-climatic. {Like we don't already know the main hero/antihero of any story usually lives in their own movie(s)... unless they're ending the series of movies/TV shows (The Incredible Hulk for example).}

[@TheBHAitken]

6:11 - What I like is that she dragged a mattress all the way up to the roof just to lay down on it. How did she carry it all the way up there without anyone noticing?

[@SergioArellano-yd7ik]

Police helicopters Never notice people lying on roofs with sniper rifles.

[@Blanco8x8]

Timon from The Lion King says "fireflies" Mater from Cars say "lightning bugs."

[@matthewmooon8185]

This quickly turned into Sports Center lol I was very confused for that little second there haha!

[@jasminechehreh5139]

I live on the east coast and I have never heard anyone call a firefly a lightning bug in my entire life

[@ppr881]

12:19 Eight-pointed star tattoos are a must have for any incarcerated criminal in Russia and other post-Soviet regions. I know nitpicking is his job but those 12 sins are on CinemaSins.

[@f1jones544]

Add another sin for Marvel seeming to care about Russian criminal tattoos while paying no attention to the veracity of any plot detail whatsoever.

[@tylerrichardson2518]

Everyone knows you can’t portray Russian inmates without the obligatory star tattoos. But everyone also knows Disney invariably compromises the integrity of a storyline, character, or entire series so long as they make a quick buck. So I’m on the fence here. I mean, we all knew what we were getting into….

[@JR-ju3kj]

@@tylerrichardson2518 I'm a big fan of comic books and I plan to write my own independent comic books in the future but as a fan of Black Widow,quite frankly(and I'm not even Russian),I think that a Russian actress should have been cast as Black Widow right from the very start-all the way back in Iron Man 2 and also,in the Black Widow movie,I feel like all of the characters playing Russians actually should have been Russian. Marvel has the powers,finances,resources and influences at this point to have gotten real Russians to play the characters and to have consulted with people from Russia for how to make the details more accurate but they were too arrogant to take the time to bother to do all of that. I mean,if I were writing a comic book on a French Super Hero(and I will be) or a comic book with a Russian Super Hero(and I will be),I would contact people with those backgrounds and who are from those countries,I wouldn't be so stuck up and have my head so far up my own ass,that I would feel like I know it all and that I don't need to seek out any advice from the people who actually come from those countries and who actually have that background. To me,I enjoyed Black Widow but it was a dumb action movie where people can turn off their brains for two hours and I see it as being one of Marvel's weakest films yet.

[@dracofoxgaming1149]

It would be so funny if they got caught being undercover because they said firefly instead of lightning bug

[@JetWarrior]

Right? Lol...like the Inglourious Basterds “3 Beers" scene

[@ZMACxx]

“You always start with the E damn it!!” 10:50

[@rebbeccahoneycutt7941]

I was the youngest in the room to watch this movie and it never even occured to me that the Floppy Disk would be out of place. I used them in school, up through high school even.

[@emtrust8036]

Conveeeeeeeenient. That killed me.... 20:33

[@jasonbleau4646]

15:29 You know that, this actually answered something for me. I wondered how Drakov truly knew it was Natasha wearing a mask and maybe now we know. He sees what Taskmaster sees and probably played along to get Natasha right where he wanted her before revealing he knew the plan all along. It's actually quite smart but the movie does nothing to confirm this and it sucks we have to fill in the blank ourselves to try and fix oversights with the movie as fans rather than the writers/director working around it properly to make it make sense themselves.

[@neeljavia2965]

Good point.

[@jjoshin_]

fun fact: That's literally what the director did for the part where it fades to black right when Ross was arriving to the crash site and Natasha chooses to stay behind She and the writers just, didn't know how she'd make it out of that so they added the fade to black to let the fans imagine how she would've done it :|

[@BLKDEVX]

I instantly zoned out about the movie review and focused on the firefly debate n "their is no middle ground!" line 🤣

[@TheTrainGal]

I've been thinking about it, and prisoner to prisoner communication seems like a reasonable idea. Movie has to movie sure, but I can also see taking prisoners and keeping them side by side and then leaving them alone to let drop any tasty tidbits of information. It's a nice place to start before resorting to torture.

[@Olibro_64]

Sin 23 gave me a chuckle.

[@trinaq]

Me too, no lie about it!

[@PittsburghSonido]

Your mom gave me a chuckle.

[@razorwork1]

11 hours ago, this was only just listed... Wtf

[@Xeno574]

@@razorwork1 I'm pretty patreons or members get videos early

[@Olibro_64]

@@razorwork1 I'm a patreon member.

[@anishsingh5342]

YOU CANT SIN THE CREDITS, ITS ONE OF THE BEST EVER. That song with the whole backstory is fucking amazing. I had goosebumps

[@santividal9387]

4:40 That was De Palma, and he has only one scene like that in his career. It was a bet that he lost with the second director. Btw, it's actually the most expensive shot in cinema history!!!

[@vossti]

Dude even when you're doing the ad... In my head I'm waiting for you to sin it!,,😂

[@genevieverichards6338]

Is no one gonna talk about how ridiculously powerful the expositional opening credits were? Yeah, yeah more credits I know but, seriously??? I felt like I couldn't speak for a while after that

[@samanthagunther5478]

I had chills during the opening credits. And I enjoyed the remake of Smells Like Teen Spirit

[@genevieverichards6338]

@@samanthagunther5478 same! I actually thought it was quite effective

[@emilymayfield8068]

It was so good. If they weren’t going to go full backstory for the movie then I think that was the most powerful way to convey the harshness and pain of the Red Room.

[@shockwave_edits9568]

It was the cringiest shit I've ever seen🤮

[@genevieverichards6338]

@@shockwave_edits9568 damn you're soooo cool buddy

[@walterkipferl6729]

The analysis of the games of boredom was great!

[@dragerien2]

Should've added a sin for "how does this woman know what happened on Vormire to incriminate Hawk Eye?"

[@galavantgambitgaming]

This was funny man even the ad had me. Keep it up fam

[@estherhashikawa7165]

I would just like to point out that he somehow found misplaced Toms shoes, but completely missed the Twilight Sparkle plush that Yelena was holding.

[@TheMuffin18]

No adult should have that intimate of knowledge about MLP.

[@feyefall4855]

@@TheMuffin18 But plenty do...

[@rolkflameraven1483]

@@TheMuffin18 if you had a kid in the past ten years...

[@starcycle4308]

@@TheMuffin18 As a child, I can confirm that if you've had a child in the past 10 - 15 years ish and they watch MLP, *they will make you have this much knowledge.*

[@amosungar5248]

Well, isn't MLP originally from the 1980's? (Obligatory: I don't know anything about MLP specific characters, but it definitely existed when I was a kid)

[@rinyaskyline]

The tangent that he goes on about the hangman game is hilarious.

[@SGTKlaweCT-]

Screw it I sin you for not talking about how taskmaster differed drastically from the comics and for not talking about how the little girl didn’t explode into a million pieces because she was right next to the bomb

[@aliceyasuna1884]

Thank you so much for the Gattaca reference! 😂

[@erikluther6436]

“I think I know the answer, and the answer is DING!” 😂😂😂😂

[@infinityme2244]

1 minute and 11 seconds of intro *DING

[@christinearmington]

That recliner 😂😂😂😂 Thanks. I missed it! 😎

[@CamoSquid]

That whole post credits scene only for Yelena to go after Clint for... what, half an episode of Hawkeye?

[@tshepotsotetsi1067]

"Lying to your children and being a hypocrite by almost dying "🤣🤣 that one line

[@trinaq]

Florence Pugh stole the show as Yelena! I can't wait to see what projects she'll appear in next, especially in the MCU!

[@chasehedges6775]

👍👍👍💯💯💯💯

[@lynneparks9247]

I think that was intentional

[@isaiahmarshall2704]

She was honestly the only good part about the movie imo😅

[@773soccer]

She's gonna be in Hawkeye this month

[@Paranoid_Alchemist]

I fell in love with her immediately

[@iamextremest]

Lightning bugs rise!!! Thats what we call them here in the south Texas, as well. But we still say firefly, very rarely, when someone is confused about what a lightning bug is lol.