The Rise of Skywalker is an Embarrassment

[@carlosdeleon7755]

“Palpatine, how are you alive?” A good question, for another time

[@lukeulibarri3924]

Lol indeed

[@KneelB4Bacon]

Yeah, that is so typical of JJ's awful "mystery box" writing. Whenever a character asks an important question that JJ is too lazy or stupid to answer he will: 1) Don't answer the question 2) Change the subject 3) Pretend you'll answer the question later with "a good question. for another time."

[@Aarondistracted]

For a Never Time

[@bighatastrea]

I don't really see the problem here, in Legends there was a powerful Sith boi who hold his body together with his willpower and his believe in the darkside of the force. He was unkillable and only died because he cut his connection to the dark side. Palpatine falling into a bottomless pit wasn't really something he couldn't survive, just like floating through space or whatever. Don't really think it's TOO farfetched or weirder than some other extremely weird design choices I also thought that the fleet was really boarded with undead lol. Fueled through the dark side and stuff like that, because one of the admirals had really pale, emotionless eyes like Palpatine

[@davec3651]

He escaped goddammit!

[@carwyn3691]

"I'm Rey" "Rey who?" "Reygarding the dark side, it is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. "

[@almoores8309]

"I'm Rey." "Rey who?" "Rey Rey Binks"

[@tom.m.mancini]

Rey’d shadow legends

[@Itz_just_VICTOR]

@@tom.m.mancini underrated comment in another comment thats underrated

[@txgirlinmd9411]

Reysei from deltarune

[@gregorybarker8835]

snipermaster br Ah I wish man. I’ve seen that Rey’d shadow legends joke on every rise of skywalker video

[@peanutbutter6720]

The biggest tragedy of the movie was burying Anakin’s lightsaber in sand.

[@jasminecrawford42]

His force ghost was just out there having a nervous breakdown, with Obi wan laughing his ass off next to him 😂.

[@donqueshot2217]

Why? Doesn‘t he like sand? Edit: I've been getting explanations for more than a year. I was joking.

[@TankHunter678]

@@donqueshot2217 Anakin could write an entire space opera on how much he hates sand.

[@dapperpat4118]

you sir, are a comedy genius deserving more likes

[@Elder74]

Basically the last fuck you to his character and legacy. 😂

[@hezakighamorgan9974]

Isn't it obvious? Darth Sideous didn't die cause he was on another death star. The one that blew up was totally unrelated. What's that? That's physically impossible, you say? Well, my friend, the dark side is a pathway to-

[@Bollibompa]

The one on the death Star was a clone of the original Sidious.

[@nightmareTomek]

There are 150 more Sidious clones clones scattered around the universe. Find them all, or you gonna see them in the next movies!

[@micab7660]

The princess is in another castle.

[@OrlandoOrtiz570]

😂😂😂😅😅😅💀💀💀

[@leeeeeeeeeeeeeviathan]

@@nightmareTomek collect 149 more Sidious clones to complete the Palpadex

[@blandedgear9704]

You forgot to mention all the time people spent in this trilogy saying that the stormtroopers are brainwashed innocents, and all the other time they spend whooping with joy as they slaughter them.

[@blandedgear9704]

@@electricfishfan I'm glad someone else sees what I see.

[@MoffatLee]

@@electricfishfan What's worse is that Finn himself is one of the people who celebrates when he kills those brainwashed innocents.

[@patrickhanlon932]

Seems like an appropriate message for a Disney brand product.

[@rook1196]

The stormtrooper represents the audience's once good memories about star wars.

[@broadex9080]

Imagine your best friend was brainwashed and you killed them and didn't even know until the end.

[@ameaninglessdemon9030]

When I watched this movie the exact moment Rey and Kylo kissed someone in the theater clapped and someone else yelled no, this alone was worth the price for the ticket

[@charlieb1575]

Girl and guy respectively

[@sevthenpcRBLX]

physically cringed and asked myself, "why?" when they introduced a romantic relationship between them.

[@naruhina012607]

@@sevthenpcRBLX i know right, but then again so many fangirls online wanted a relationship between kylo and rey, and honestly it confuses the shit out of me. Kylo has been a confused douchebag the entire trilogy and yet they prefer kylo over finn? why? cuz he is the son of han? or cuz he has that dark sasuke thing going on? or cuz he is force sensitive? like what kinda of bullshit fandom is this. Or is this the definitive prove that girls go for douchebags

[@jayjayjitter]

a meaningless demon I’ll never forget the post by a reylo where they were angry at cut scenes from ROTS because they included kylo attacking rey and “ KYLO WOULD NEVER DO THAT TO HER OMG HE NEVER EVER EVEN HURT HER ONCE!!! “ ..... bruh

[@liveactionlink8736]

When it looked like they were about to kiss I couldn't help but say out loud "Please don't. Please don't!" then they did and I yelled "Come on!" and dropped my head into my hands

[@trueblue027]

"The sith dagger has done terrible things" said rey, forgetting all about that blue lightsaber which killed all those younglings

[@atomicbuttocks]

And jedi

[@Bothandle70]

@@atomicbuttocks which jedi? he only chopped windu's hand.

[@toshi6855]

@@Bothandle70 he literally murders hundreds of jedi in the jedi temple off screen

[@JonahNelson7]

@@Bothandle70 huh? The point is that lightsaber killed all those younglings

[@bernardosales1044]

@@Bothandle70 Anakin literally walked into the Jedi Temple with the 501st to massacre all the Jedi inside, you think he just walked past all the others straight to the younglings?

[@thomasbardoux1692]

The worse thing with the "you don't know me, no one knows me" is thay she's right. The character was so poorly written that she doesn't feel luke a human that we can know. And we end up not knowing her at all

[@autumnalgloom5360]

Anyone else remembers the millions of "Who is Snoke?" theories that sprung up after the first movie? No one guessed Snoke is a homunculus made by Palpatine because that was not only utterly ridiculous and stupid but also incredibly boring.

[@Cherno35]

What’s the sauce?

[@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214]

@@Cherno35 Ketchup

[@zachg427]

I saw a theory that guessed it right

[@5_sets_of_triangle_pasta]

@@Cherno35 Lukewarm cheese sauce mixed with warm mayo

[@Cherno35]

@@5_sets_of_triangle_pasta Disgusting.

[@Jont828]

"Not only did Kylo survive the ship blowing up...the ship also survived the ship blowing up"

[@squibble311]

yeah okay sure

[@morscoronam3779]

Par for the course in Disney Star Wars 😒

[@pikagammerpluspizza7478]

Palpatine should have told Rey about the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise

[@Materminds187]

Thatguywiththestuffies KZbin page. Rey: They’re all dead anyway Palpatine: Oh....

[@charmandyorton006]

Why couldn't it have been Darth Plagueis to have created Snoke?

[@zachmanson3319]

@Ashton Davis wait Rey already learnt this power

[@Dave102693]

@@charmandyorton006 that would of been nice

[@Full_Throttle_Axolotl]

It workes last time, it was worth a shot

[@CouncilofGeeks]

“They weren’t making jokes when they were going to die in the trash compactor.” Han in the trash compactor: “Well one thing’s for sure, we’re all going to be a lot thinner.”

[@TheArchivistArchive]

To be fair, it's Han, and everyone was panicking and taking the situation seriously.

[@nightmareTomek]

That really didn't sound like a joke, given the serious situation and Han stating that like a matter of fact.

[@RealCoolstriker64]

@@nightmareTomekEXACTLY! He’s making a sarcastic quip, but it’s not a full on joke.

[@tylerh2548]

Clever characters coping with negative situations by using comedy is different from the writers putting silly jokes due to not being able to make-believe that there's any real threat.

[@cliffwill27]

I think someone nailed this on the head but good writing has comedic reliefs for a reason, and Han provided the comedy in the prequels for sure. When every character is the comedic relief, they better be really goddamn funny. You either need a straight man to play off or all the jokes better be funny. In the sequels, everyone is funny. And now I'm suddenly understand what Marvel humor is, and I love all the Marvel movies.

[@butterman7121]

This really feels just like a badly written fanfiction with 300 million dollar budget.

[@anthonymckinley1380]

Cant be worst than fantastic 4

[@mpg01]

And that's a fact.

[@CommandoMaster]

I need my strong independent force WOMEN!!!

[@cameronroy2129]

the whole trilogy was

[@Fuzzyfezz]

That's an insult to fanfiction that would usually treat it's characters and plot with much more care

[@hache4329]

JJ was the type of kid in kindergarten who had an Anti-Everything Shield while playing pretend

[@Doran1226]

So true

[@spearfisherman308]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@alexanderthegreat2080]

Don't summon him

[@waltuh2.3bviews3secondsago3]

Rian: yeah but this gun is the only thing that can break the shield!

[@thenigerianprince7017]

Yea i know,that was so anoying

[@drakemire2844]

Rey: "this dagger has done horrible things" Also Rey: *used the younglings slayer 9000

[@wenyt2785]

And buried it in sand

[@luk11c4]

Younglings slayer 9000 - lmao 🤣

[@residentkane]

@Julia or--hear me out, people are allowed to have the same thoughts, or say the same thing, because there are millions of people on this app, and more than person can say something!

[@user-yt6xz2fq8r]

@Julia its not copied- they changed the number from 5000 to 9000. so its only inspired

[@Icetea-2000]

@@wenyt2785 Holy shit yeah, the Ultimate insult to Anakin wtf Rey

[@springheeljack298]

I think the worst part of the movie for me was when they shitcanned the idea of Rey's parents being worthless nobodies. That was the best idea that the second movie had and was something actually different. The idea that the source of force power doesn't have to come from your fucked up family tree. Then the third movie rubbed fecal matter in our eyes and gave us pink eye, and then gangrene, and then dysentery.

[@lucasisofdarkness5423]

I was so disapointed by it.

[@darksidegryphon5393]

It gave me cholera.

[@StarWarsomania]

Weird for you to say that, as Luke and Leia are literally the ONLY Force-sensitive characters we ever meet in Star Wars who had Force-sensitive parents. They are the outliers, not the standard.

[@radoyuras5772]

​@@StarWarsomania they are also the only force sensitive characters in the original trilogy, so that kind of makes it the norm cronologically

[@omegatree7635]

During this time that was a main talking point for her being a Mary sue 💀. I've always loved that idea.

[@analienmango8756]

Ah yes, Star Wars: Rey commits identity theft

[@ncrawford5673]

Lol 😀

[@truthblade01]

The Batwoman of Star Wars

[@jebalitabb8228]

She’s following in the footsteps of her grandfather. Both pretended to be people they really weren’t. Palpatine actually won when you really think about it

[@charmandyorton006]

Lucasfilm: J.J. commits set-piece theft of the original trilogy

[@benjaminklein8379]

Identity theft is not a joke Rey millions of families suffer every year

[@fernansanchez6331]

Rey: I hate my last name because it represents evil. So i'll change it to Skywalker. Ghost Obi Wan: Should we tell her that that's the last name of a guy who killed children? Ghost Yoda: Nah!

[@marxjester9802]

Fernán Sánchez Yoda: “now excuse me, you must. Do more ketamine, I must.”

[@Violaphobia]

Anakin didn’t kill the younglings... from a certain point of view ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@dav3630]

Shhhh, no tears. Their with the force now. And they'll never let Anakin forget it.

[@annnee6818]

Lol

[@7MukuroRealm]

@023 Studios Ghost Yoda: Reluctant adoption, it was.

[@TheOnePistol]

I love how Rey is considered a Jedi in these movies, yet she consistently acts out of impulse, anger, and revenge. I guess she's immune to the Dark Side as well.

[@GEORGEMEISTERFTW]

It's probably because the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural

[@The_Chef2511]

She isn't a Jedi. If the blind guy in Rogue One wasn't a Jedi than Rey was just a Force User who met a Jedi. Mind you Kylo isn't a Sith either.

[@TheOnePistol]

@@GEORGEMEISTERFTW nice lol

[@edoboleyn]

Great point. If they had actually addressed that-perhaps when other characters call her out on it, or when Kylo/Ben was trying to convince her to join him, or when she acknowledges she feels the same ambiguity he does, or when she’s reflecting on her mistakes-it would actually have made the movies stronger. They could have treated Rey as an imperfect heir of sorts, full of potential power but also of potential darkness. The specter of Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One whose human weaknesses led to so much suffering, would surely have loomed large. Her Palpatine roots might even have felt more meaningful, raising the terrible possibility that her blood is her destiny, so that when she refuses her grandfather, it’s that much more interesting. Of course, we all know Rey doesn’t make mistakes, no one ever worried she’d choose the Dark Side, and these characters don’t have time to reflect on anything.

[@EmileeAria413]

Rey is, like, legit not a Jedi. She’s called a Jedi, but she is NOT a Jedi. She is a Grey Jedi, which is TOTALLY different. For one she was barely taught any ideals of the Jedi Order, and Luke (her mentor) is also barely a Jedi, he’s always been very emotional. But their actions and ideals match Grey Jedi’s pretty well from what I remember. The fact that they insisted on keeping the black-and-white “Good and Evil” plot annoys me a lot.

[@WantTheSauce]

It’s truly amazing that rouge one was able to build more solid characters in a single movie than Rey, Finn, Poe, etc. in a trilogy

[@JenniferKokoski]

Very true. I think most of us are hard-pressed to even name the trilogy characters If it's been a few years since we watch the movies or saw a critique. Poe, Finn and Rey have absolutely no character development. We don't give a fig if one of them dies. They end the trilogy exactly where Leia, Luke and Han end A New Hope. With potential but no real development. It took two more movies and several years for those three to become legendary characters.

[@bobsonny]

rogue*

[@CashMoneyPterodactyl]

Who's Poe?

[@themug406]

​@@bobsonnyThe Rouge One is darth Maul

[@OmarScott-eo2sv]

Honestly one of the best movies in the franchise. It made me FEEL something when Jynn and Cassian died

[@flandrescarlet7812]

The darkside is a excuse for many abilites. Some considered to be bullshit.

[@billwilson7841]

the sequels never happend

[@Delta225]

Is it possible to learn this tomfoolery?

[@flandrescarlet7812]

@@Delta225 not from a mouse

[@bored3542]

You should look up all force abilities

[@InsufficientGravitas]

The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities, some of which allow you to reach through the fourth wall and alter the very fabric of reality as it is written and story boarded.

[@Muninn_Crow]

The Disney side of the Force is a pathway to many movies some consider to be... embarrassing.

[@aster-naut]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@Goldenboy-pe2ci]

"Is there any way to learn this power?" "Not from a Lucas."

[@Goldenboy-pe2ci]

Also, I imagined the palpatine dialogue as Mickey Mouse saying it.

[@deniseallisonstout1901]

That was perfect

[@Muninn_Crow]

@swave158 Sure, but it didn't rehash Dune's plot point for point like Disney did with Lucas' original trilogy. ;)

[@Weary_Wizard]

I love the idea Rey was sold to protect her...rather then say...given. like"we must protect our daughter..but we could at least make some money from this situation, silver lining and all that"

[@acbeaumo]

It just gets better and better the more you analyze this travesty of a film.

[@vincentmartucci861]

And the parents hit the bar soon after, drinking themselves to death on an infinite amount of IPAs. SO KYLO REN WAS RIGHT ALL ALONGGGGGGG

[@12345678900987659101]

Peak ancap.

[@DeniseEggertwaterlily]

LoLacaust How do we even know that this was the truth ? I imagine when Ben Solo was acting as Kylo Ren, he spoke half- truths to her, in order to get her to join with him to rule the galaxy. Her parents are probably buried in paupers’ graves on Jakku, but they probably didn’t sell her for drinking money. Although it appears in young Rey’s memory, as complete abandonment, they sacrificed their lives in order to protect her.

[@DeniseEggertwaterlily]

Vincent Martucci How do we even know this to be true ?

[@KingBanjo1217]

I feel like Rey’s backstory might make more sense if they said that Palpatine’s clones were raised being constantly told they were Palpatine, and how they had to be just like Palpatine because of that. Then, one clone decides he’s had enough and flees the facility, then starts a family, only to be hunted down and have to sell his daughter.

[@mitchelldurward8863]

That would actually be an interesting way to have approached the reveal... So of course this movie didn't do that.

[@Salem_Whitlock]

Sounds close to the Star Killer plot. Which yes, that was an awesome fucking plot.

[@nightmareTomek]

There would've been a lot of possible solutions to make Rey being related to Palpatine make sense. That's a story detail that has to be found and solved, which bad writers are incapable of doing.

[@Vihaan-hl3lp]

Isn't that what happened??

[@kierrakim4761]

When Rey and Ben kissed, my mum, who has watched all the movies turned to me and said, “Are they not brother and sister?”

[@GDGAI]

You need a comma between kissed and my. It seems like your mom was kissed by Rey and Ben.

[@kierrakim4761]

GD Gameplayer thanks mate. Also, you said missed instead of kissed

[@lemonplayz4032]

This a gem of a conversation.

[@isplat927]

@@kierrakim4761 Turns out your mum also had the Gay like Rey and Kylo

[@kierrakim4761]

Lemon Playz I know, one of the more pleasant conversations I have had in 2020

[@JesseJames-hp1lz]

"Not only did KYLO survive the ship BLOWING up... The ship! Also survived the ship BLOWING up..."

[@morscoronam3779]

Dark side of the force...

[@viksreviews2891]

@@morscoronam3779 contains paths to many powers some would consider..... unnatural

[@jonasschiefer626]

it escaped

[@irongirltoni]

@@jonasschiefer626 HAHAHAHAH

[@crlyfryz8049]

It respawned

[@lotusthemermaid]

Watch out for your friend Palpatine. And your pal, Friendpatine.

[@darthtroller]

😂😂😂

[@SpaghettiGod34]

Painted Lotus god dammit... take my upvote

[@EarthboundX]

Love that Rifftrax joke!

[@ExValeFor]

r e d d i t

[@thebrutusmars]

1337n00binc R e d d d d d i t funny

[@robingrob9717]

Love how the Disney trilogy is more hole than plot. There are more plot holes than actually story its insane

[@tylere.8436]

It's better to just declare it noncanonical that to try to fit it with the rest of the saga.

[@nightmareTomek]

Better yet, reboot the whole damn thing. What good films/series do we have in the Star Wars universe besides the original trilogy? I say, remake the original, polish some aspects about it, update scene transitions to be more modern and fluid... and then scrap and rewrite EVERYTHING else, the prequels, sequels, every series. But who in Hollywood would have the creativity necessary to do it? Btw, I consider Mandalorian to be just okay, and Rogue One induces something similar to Superhero-fatigue in me.

[@were-owlinwisconsin4441]

@@nightmareTomek What good films/series do we have besides the original trilogy? Well, let's see... Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith, Caravan of Courage, Rogue One, The Mandalorian, 2D Clone Wars, and Rebels.

[@nightmareTomek]

@@were-owlinwisconsin4441 Well, if you had paid attention while reading my comment (which you clearly haven't), you would remember that I said the Mandalorian and Rogue One is just okay. Not good. My opinion. Neither is the Phantom Menace, the Revenge of the Brainless Sith, or the repetitive and quite childish Clone Wars. If you want to be talking while having your fingers in your ears, then please talk to someone else.

[@BetaDude40]

If you cut a hole in a net, you decrease the number of holes

[@zacharyl3751]

You overlooked the fact that C3PO has never had any sort of convincing relationship with any of the "characters" who witness his "death". His friends are not actually in the room or even alive when he "dies"..

[@dearcastiel4667]

And I don't see how anyone can give a fuck about that memory wipe since he already got ir erased at the end of ep3. And it's not like C3PO uses those memories anyway, his relationship with people doesn't change based on what he remembers living with them, he's got a programmed personality that will always be the same with everyone...

[@wiezyczkowata]

who exactly got him an app that could translate Sith language?

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

I love the hishe version of the c3po scene though. When he says "friends," he pulls up an album with R2, Luke, Han, Leia, Chewbacca, and Lando. Then when the new characters are upset that they weren't his friends, out of spite, he deletes the translation from his mind.

[@jagtech490]

wiezyczkowata yeah exactly,The sith language wasn’t common knowledge and neither were the actual sith race

[@4Everlast]

That knife is still the dumbest map and an excuse for a clue in film history.

[@harshsangwan1185]

I downloaded and watched this movie illegally at home and after watching it, i feel like someone owe me money.

[@xentiment6581]

Pirating Disney and Nintendo content is not only always morally correct, it is every citizens moral duty.

[@laserpulse387]

Luckily you didn't watch it in the cinema

[@fanalittletruthincog8168]

After watching The Force Awakens in movie theatres.......and realizing that I got RIPPED OFF (Just episode 4 over again).........I couldn't bring myself to watch the last two at all! I knew Disney F***** it up after TFA. Lost interest and just didn't care anymore.

[@TheMADmk]

@@fanalittletruthincog8168 same here. TFA was beyond garbage. The fact people were ok with that movie and only got angry with TLJ is depressing. In fact TFA was so awful I haven't been to the cinema since. Congrats Disney and JJ you killed my love of cinema.

[@berengustav7714]

@@fanalittletruthincog8168 The Clone Wars in the later seasons is good though.

[@ShooshedGamer]

Prequel: Palpatine Original trilogy: the Emperor Sequel trilogy: Sheev

[@bananatank9048]

Why not the senate

[@justin808_]

@@bananatank9048 Because I am the Senate

[@aipserga5657]

@@justin808_ Not yet.

[@kootralover]

{Nightingale } *pulls out lightsaber* It's treason then

[@kylecampbell565]

Darth Emperor Sideous Sheev Palpatine the Senate

[@elementalsgami1]

Funny enough, Sheev didn't give Ochi a dagger that's a map to him. Sheev gave Ochi a riddle in a dead language THAT LEADS TO A MAP that leads to him. Even if Ochi himself needed it to find Sheev to bring him Rey, he will not be able to give him little Rey until he finishes Sheev's Super Fun Scavenger Hunt of Evil.

[@aelinalice9194]

I’m gonna have the phrase “Sheeve’s Super Fun Scavenger Hunt of Evil” stuck in my head for months now lmao

[@dodojesus4529]

One of the steps of this quest being, stand on a shoreline and hope thisthing actually lines up

[@donovanstewart698]

I feel like bringing palpatine back to life is the equivalent of reviving uncle Ben in Spider-Man.

[@dhilipans5412]

Same

[@JustaJabberwocky]

"Hello Peter I was alive all along, so everything you've done has all been for nothing and I created a new family in florida"

[@Zauchi]

@@JustaJabberwocky 😂

[@turtleanton6539]

Yes it is

[@salenaadams7230]

Love the comparison

[@gp-1542]

I hate how every plot hole is “ho it’s the force” Literally annoying as hell

[@frams12]

The original trilogy did that, too. The Force started as a vague metaphor for religion and then became a fungible plot device that was used by the filmmakers to serve the story. Force projections weren't present in New Hope. Neither was Force choking. Neither was the Force making you super fast and agile. Yet, when Luke Force jumped out of the carbonite chamber to stay alive in ESB, no one said, "Oh, the force lets you do that now? Why didn't Luke lose that fight right then and there and get frozen? 'Ho it's the force.' Literally annoying as hell."

[@shanejoseph9975]

@@frams12 nobody agreed bud. You just like the garbage sequels say it

[@frams12]

@@shanejoseph9975 TFA is fine, if a beat for beat remake of a movie it never possibly could have lived up to. TLJ is awesome. RoS is a pile of shit, but also only got made because of all of the ridiculous moaning that happened after TLJ. So the The Garbage Sequels Ruined Star Wars Community needs to eat their share of why the sequel trilogy didn't work. It's your fault.

[@dreamwanderer5791]

@@frams12 Obi-Wan was a voice in Luke's head during the trench run. The next film did a ghost projection because it's a visual medium. Though technically true, there was some setup. I would put it in the same category as Ion Lightning as, "Well, it's another power, just more realized." Vader force chokes a subordinate who bashes the Jedi religion. Furthermore choking is really a condensed version of pushing really. Enhanced reflexes were added in to episode V yes, however that is more palatable for people as a whole than something as big as teleportation. Though to show I'm not fully forgiving the OT, using the force to see into the future was a biiiit much, even if it was vaguely set up. Most future sight tends to be. Outside of that and the mind trick, the force really was just an extension of what a person was already physically capable of, and that's how many took it (and plot convenient future sight, mentioned above). Of course there was the lightning, but it was more of a flashy showing of how evil Mr Big Bad is. I'll be fair and say it was a bit of an asspull at the time. It's more of a can of worms however when you add in leaps of powers like teleportation. While TLJ certainly set it up with the water, it could still arguably be seen as the next step in future sight. But when you can actually pull large, plot relevant objects.... It's less forgivable and more a plot convenience, much like future sight in general. Furthermore when these powers are more baseline standard to push the plot along, you get less obscure visions, and more "We must do this." "Why?" "A feeling." It's hard to say that the force isn't being used more fast and loose in the ST, when it's used to set up most, if not all the biggest events. The lightsaber calling to Rey, force interrogation (which makes the torture droid redundant in retrospect I just realized), Luke getting premonitions about Ben, the "visions" between Rey and Ben to give an excuse to talk (which was a good idea on paper so that they can debate their viewpoint I'll say), the Sacred Jedi texts debacle, Luke distracting the First Order for an escape, and really, all the driving actions of TRoS. If nothing else the sheer amount of times it's used to push plot via abstract meanings is what rub many the wrong way. And just to cover my bases: I don't like Anakin having the premonitions of Shmi and Padmé dying either. It could have been done more naturally than the writer slapping him silly with plot while he slept. Really what I and others from what I've seen dislike are how often the force is less of pushing your normal attributes (Pulling and pushing out of your reach, better stamina and agility, etc) and more abstract methods to do nothing but force the plot to go where it's needed (visions, mind probing, the script giving feelings of how to proceed, etc). The only thing that really warps this is that New Hope mind trick really, but it at least had the "Weak Minded" cop out that left it from being used on, say, Vader, Tarkin, Jabba, Watto, or really anyone who could have what they want. It's a bit plot convenient, but not so much so that the plot relies on it much like subsequent, abstract force abilities. Hopefully you aren't upset by what I've said, it was by no intention to do so. Simply my and other's reasoning as to why the force nebulously pushing the plot is seen as more egregious in the sequels.

[@FalenDragmire]

@@frams12 The original trilogy did not, in fact, do that. At the very least, it did not do it to the extent that the sequel trilogy did it. The Force stayed relatively the same throughout the OT. The only things that really changed were the movies showing more of what the Force was capable of. The difference between then and now is that back then, Star Wars was brand new. There weren't literal decades of source material to draw from. People didn't complain about the Force being able to do new things because the things that were shown either made logical sense and were set up properly or weren't outright ridiculous. Also, Vader quite literally force chokes someone in A New Hope. In the meeting room with Tarkin present; he force chokes the guy that makes fun of his belief in the Force.

[@gieron666]

he's milk now... he's milk now ? he's milk now.

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

No! jay has been milked for man milk!

[@johnsnow04]

Rhino milk to be precise.

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

@@johnsnow04 Rhino man milk?

[@johnt6060]

they fly now!!!!

[@jemsterr]

Will milk rhinos for geodes.

[@owenleal]

The fact that Kylo Kintsugi'd his fucking helmet back together, like it was something he saw on Pinterest cracks me up. I can just imagine him sat there with the little pit of resin and a youtube tutorial open, trying to fit all the pieces back together.

[@jakfrost574]

My favorite bit was when lesbian A and lesbian B kissed at the end of the movie. Trust me, they were both developed characters that had a totally substantial role in the movie and were definitely NOT put in for 5 seconds of “gay brownie points.” I’m not even gay and that ticked me off.

[@Serena_Maeve]

And they were toooootally not removed in certain countries. Not at all. Cause as we all know, Disney supports LGBTQ+! Absolutely! Yeah!

[@jakfrost574]

Shtampboy 21 You know, funny story... When this movie released, my parents wanted to have a family movie night so we all went to go and see this movie. I’ve only watched The Force Awakens, the rest is my “watch this at some point” list don’t worry, but I had seen Schaff. Productions review on it(He’s the guy who made Shark Talk, a fantastic YTP of Shark Tale, in case you don’t know who I’m talking about). So going in, I was expecting it to at least be rather mediocre. My suspicions turned out true. The movie focuses way too much on action as opposed to character development, Palpatine still being alive is frankly dumb as hell, Rey is probably the most Mary Sue she’s ever been(that “Rey Skywalker shit literally goes against the message of the movie, good can come from anywhere and your bloodline doesn’t matter), barely any of the side characters actually matter, and the score is both confusing and poorly implemented. But what I remember most was that 2-3 second scene of two random chicks making out. I already went through why I think that scene is pointless in the first comment, but one thing I forgot to mention is that my family is very religious. They are very much against gay people, even though one of my mom’s best friends is a gay man so for her it’s debatable, and according to my sister my dad called someone a N****r. I was, and still am, not religious so as we were going to Fatz to eat, I was dreading the inevitable complaining about how gays are bad and the rest of the movie doesn’t matter because of it. But it never came. We ate dinner, talked about the movie a bit, and we went home. Only I noticed it and I just find that funny. It was incredibly obvious too, so I don’t know how they missed it. This also shows how pointless that scene is. It would be one thing if it was two characters, say Rey and Rose as an example, that we already knew were kissing. But again, they are lesbian A and lesbian B. Two nothing characters very clearly put there to make Disney look “progressive and forward-thinking.” And even then, like you said, it’s sooo short they could just remove it for certain countries that aren’t as “open” to homosexuality as we are. It means nothing and it says nothing. The Palestine Bass Drop was pretty funny though, not gonna lie.

[@JohnnyWindmill]

Nah dude, Disney clearly put those lesbian characters in there not because of a checklist but because Disney GENUINELY cares about gay people

[@seasaltsky]

I didn't even know there were 2 lesbians, and I saw this movie twice.

[@jakfrost574]

JustsomeguyIdk it’s at the very end when they’re celebrating the death of Palpy, it’s a blink and you’ll miss type thing so I can understand how someone could miss it

[@theburningphoenix8211]

Everyone mentions the whole "This dagger has done terrible things." And they only mention the younglings. Rey literally has a lightsaber that not only killed younglings, it also killed an entire Tusken Raider village and the children there and was used in multiple war crimes during the clone wars. A LOT worse than killing a few people with a weird dagger.

[@jsw973]

Unless they meant a different kind of "terrible," of course. Maybe that dagger was Palpatine's dildo before making Rey's parent

[@thepsycheduck]

I have two problems with Rey even having that Lightsaber in the first place, much less what things it has done, those two problems being: 1. Who the fuck on Bespin was just strolling around and found a severed hand holding some weird laser sword and thought “huh neat i’m gonna let someone else own this” and how did they find it to begin with??? 2. This Lightsaber EXPLODED at the end of The Last Jedi, and you’re telling me they not only found the two pieces, but also put them back together, and that shit WORKED????

[@DWN037]

Not just the children, but the women, and the men, too!

[@ryanroznowski2263]

guess them sensing disturbances and feelings doesn't count towards holding property of mass killers

[@arctrooper12]

No this lightsaber wasn't the one that killed the tuscans, that one got destroyed on Geonosis in the factory

[@atticusmiller3961]

He didn't even mention that in the prequels when Sheev was telling Anakin "The dark side of the force is a path to yada yada yada", he specifically mentioned that the one thing it wasn't able to do was to stop the user themselves from being killed.

[@jimmytecker]

nah, he said plagius himself couldn't aliveify himself, but didn't say the someone steronger couldn't

[@ciphergacha9100]

@@jimmyteckersteronger

[@ParisianWeetabix]

@@ciphergacha9100 hey don't mock him he clearly just spelled it werong

[@GJauchen]

​@@ParisianWeetabixsteronger

[@2goober4u]

​@@ParisianWeetabixsteronger

[@reallyFrogman]

”Why am I milk” is an unparalleled line that goes insanely hard.

[@dmitrijwiebe7997]

"Garbage - I am milk" quietly playing in the background is missing

[@Jellyman1129]

The title “The Rise of Skywalker” doesn’t even fit the plot of the movie.

[@jesusluvincognito3630]

Rey Palpatine, the last Skywalker

[@Soup-man]

@@jesusluvincognito3630 She isn't a Skywalker.

[@grantgarbour]

The Rise of Solo doesn't have the same ring to it lol even tho Leia didn't identify as a Skywalker, and Ben took the name Solo. I think the title was supposed to be the rise of both of them even tho Rey just kind of takes the name Skywalker

[@rauly8727]

@@grantgarbour kinda stupid dont you think

[@grantgarbour]

@@rauly8727 incredibly, they should've thought of a different title

[@TheVergile]

Prequels: The chosen one falls and it seems the prophecy was completely misunderstood Original: But actually its all part of a big cosmic plan and he fulfills the prophecy, albeit in a different way than everyone expected Sequels: SYKE!

[@iangreer4585]

They said that when they threw Anakin's lightsaber.

[@Zodroo_Tint]

I don't think there was anything about being chosen in the Original Trilogy.

[@reek4062]

In the OT Vader was just a former Jedi who turned bad. There’s nothing aboot any f*cking prophesy. The prequels turned Anakin into dark space Jesus (but forgot to make him a hero).

[@TheVergile]

@@reek4062 i mean - true. But thats how it usually goes with any series. Later entries flesh out the previous entries. Harry wasnt a horcrux in the first book. The ring bilbo found wasnt a world-ending macguffin in the hobbit. Agent smith wasnt a chosen-one-upervirus in the first matrix movie. etc etc. But its not like the questions werent there in the OT. Why did Vader wear this suit? Why was he burned like that? How was he (and his master) powerful enough to take down a whole jedi order and become the heads of the whole galactic empire. How is it lukes sister ended up a freaking princess? People nowadays like to make it seem as if the original trilogy was a perfect masterpiece without open questions and plot inconsistencies. When in fact most people havent even seen the original original trilogy before all the edits in their whole life. Anyways. Its not unusual to "retcon" things in later entries of a series. In fact id say its pretty much the norm.

[@TheVergile]

@@reek4062 tho i guess you could argue the star wars prequels went pretty far in terms of retconning. In the OT our crew was a pretty misfit group of unlikely comrades. But after the prequel the millenium falcon had on board: Vaders son, Vaders daughter, Droid Vader built as a kid. another droid vader had as a kid that was with him for the whole war, the wookie that saved his padawans life, his jedi master and the lightsaber he built as a young jedi. Vader must have been like "wtf is going on here?"

[@Jacob-yg7lz]

"Rey" "Rey what?" "Rey Skywalker" "Listen kid, the last Skywalker to be here skipped town the same day his family mysteriously burned to death. We don't know for sure, but the fact that he'd been complaining to his friends about being trapped on a moisture farm with his family and not being able to join the war and kill people is a pretty damning sign. His father also went on a murderous rampage and killed an entire village of sandpeople. You skywalkers have something seriously wrong, and you best get the fuck away from my property before I call the authorities.

[@tinyman1144]

If only that's what happened, I bet everyone would have loved it

[@benfed4873]

Well I mean it wasn’t exactly mysterious.

[@SquidByDaylight]

Ray Ray what RAID SHADOW LEGENDS

[@derpadothebird2106]

Instead we got Rey go haha lol I'm not sending a powerful message and making palpatine good name now lmao need Skywalker name make happy

[@k.c.r.5974]

That's why the ghosts of the Skywalker twins were there...to silence the old lady if need be

[@hazel6449]

If only JJ directed all 3 films. If only Ryan Johnson directed the final 2 films. If only we didn’t have these movies in existence

[@mrvespuccia.k.ameganite1747]

Even if JJ directed all 3 of them I feel like they probably would’ve just been bland remakes of the original trilogy

[@almightysamwhich4203]

​@mrvespuccia.k.ameganite1747 honestly if you read the original script for the film it was supposed to be about on the level of revenge of the sith. But Disney went no. Money. We want a shitty remake that'll appeal to critics and fans who don't know any better

[@Trowarr]

I think JJ would have let Finn to have a much better story than what he got now. That alone would have been a win.

[@MariOmor1]

IMO Rian directing Ep 9 wouldn't be a bad choice, considering his work on Breaking Bad (may I present Ozymandias, considered by many to be the best episode of television EVER)

[@JenniferKokoski]

Okay let's just realize Rian Johnson is the absolute worst writer and director for Star Wars. Everything in the last Jedi was made to undo everything in Star Wars history. Luke is now a pessimistic bitter old hermit. Hyperspace is a race that you can knock someone out of just by following them. Snoke is a nothing character. Kylo Ren can't decide if he's good or evil so kills his master and then continues some other path that we have no idea involves. Rey is a nobody. Every kid in the galaxy now has force powers. Oh and being a Jedi turns you into a space Jesus that allows you to survive explosions, zero gravity and absolutely no oxygen while allowing you to propel yourself through space while comatose. Rian Johnson stated that he hated Star Wars. And he showed it with the movie he made. It's not a true Star Wars movie. The best thing Disney could do is just to make a new trilogy and claim this one was a failed first attempt. After all their fans of remaking all of their content. How many live-action remakes of classic cartoons that we had now? And how many times have they redone Haunted Mansion?

[@butterknifepatten4455]

theory: rose's sister is actually alive. because, you know. she escaped

[@lukaszspychaj9210]

Now THATS a subversion of expectations

[@frams12]

@@lukaszspychaj9210 The "subversion of expectations" meme is really dumb. I understand that "subverting expectations" isn't inherently good, but the way that the people who hate TLJ have overused the "subversion of expectations" thing has gotten us to a point where people talk about subverting expectations as though it's inherently bad. Neither one is more true than the other.

[@bobw1678]

@@frams12 That's because the "subverting expectations" was used as a generic catch-all excuse by TLJ fans to underwrite the terrible plot, terrible writing, and inconsistent script. It was used as a shield and because of that, it became a joke. No...it wasnt "subverting our expectations." It's just bad writing. So the phrase is now synonymous with bad writing. Because they made it so.

[@frams12]

@@bobw1678 No one said Last Jedi was good "because it subverted expectations." Subverting expectations just for the sake of doing it, the meme that TLJ haters have created in response to it, is stupid. That is not what TLJ did.

[@frde2190]

@@frams12 the best example of subverting expectations is in Infinity War. The Last Jedi gives that movie a bad name.

[@audreybrown949]

“Why am I milk...?” *The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.*

[@ChiefSmackahoLLC]

Why am I milk? The cloning process was an udder failure..

[@lemonplayz4032]

Seems someone found Luke’s weird elephant sea monster milk things

[@bouncydachon]

Someone who just started watching this video and went to the comments would have no context lol

[@colinmonachus5920]

Bouncydachon I am incredibly confused but still laughing

[@Puki9117]

"You are Calcium,Harry" -Nick Furry,1990

[@budgetlifter]

"death is a concept invented by the Jedi...i don't even know how to spell it"

[@stardustsama3688]

Aspect Dank same energy as “we are pirates! We don’t even know what that means!” -Hondo

[@rRevilo64]

D. E. A. -

[@dimlydumbor934]

Left Alone 64 No, no, look I was kidding..

[@becky1739]

DEAD YOU ARE

[@supercatush]

@@becky1739 Yoda. You old old sponge YOU LOOK TERRIBLE

[@lememaker]

Well clearly if you actually read into the subtext of the scene, finn was trying to tell Rey that the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities, some consider to be, unnatural.

[@ospreyy]

Why does nobody notice that Ray wears a WHITE DRESS through explosions, quicksand, bloody dying creatures, ocean travel, rusty old death star parts, and the dress is still PERFECTLY WHITE in every scene.

[@Neko.091]

Perfect summation of her character

[@hogrider6214]

The dark side of the forces leads to many abilities some consider unnatural

[@paulwoodford1984]

Perfect attire for any woman on her period

[@BWMagus]

But her halo fell off, at least.

[@tranquilthoughts7233]

@@hogrider6214 Hell if the dark side of the force is gonna spare me from doing laundry then sign me up right now

[@thewacky1558]

Palpatine: *Gets disintegrated by force lightning* Palpatine 20 years later: "I escaped that one."

[@MrGonq]

Palpatine has literally become the Palpatine from Force Unleashed, no matter what ending for both games somehow Palpatine wins.

[@thesalandarian3314]

The wacky Tube my atoms got put back together

[@SorowFame]

Darth Skeletroll I think this franchise could be redeemed if this was the plot of the next movie.

[@koalagaming2043]

"It was a clone"

[@kastreya]

more years after..... new random jedi character : what emperor sidious is alive!??? i heard many evil stories about you! Palpatine out of knowhere with no foreshadowing or backstories: no.....HE was dead, HE cloned himself after they successful cloning snoke multiple times to create me palpatine II,younger,stronger plus no scrotum face anymore and still have UNLIMITED POWER, ......by the way have you heard darth plagueis the wise? SW fans : (sigh...) oh shit here we go again........

[@feliperoa5821]

The ship: explodes Kylo: I escaped The ship: *I escaped that too*

[@lliamthrumble]

The explosion: "I also escaped that..."

[@nightmareTomek]

The explosion: "I'll be back."

[@thebitsanpiecesman4423]

Creamy sheev

[@3ofSpades]

How did this happen? We’re smarter than this!

[@THEnelsonbruhs]

@@thebitsanpiecesman4423what

[@jeffh757]

It was “caused” by JJ Abrams is a beautiful line

[@JJ-vh3xf]

Star Wars Episode 26: "This Time We'll Get Palpatine For Sure!"

[@txgirlinmd9411]

Were gonna need a episode 10 first

[@TCGreen-jb4bx]

@@txgirlinmd9411 That's the joke.

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

Lucas: I should've sold star wars to netflix.

[@thefierycharmeleon164]

@ur mom Star Wars Episode 28 Palpatine has a twin brother.

[@GEORGEMEISTERFTW]

@@thefierycharmeleon164 star wars episode 29: palpatine puts his spirit in his chihuahua

[@vsGoliath96]

Hold up, let's just take a moment to appreciate how stupid the scene with Han and Kylo is, shall we? Han is not a Force ghost. He is not there. He is a hallucination. That means that Kylo is imagining Han forgiving him and telling him to be strong or whatever. Essentially, it's just Kylo forgiving HIMSELF for all the horrible stuff he's done.

[@ReturnToSenderz]

vsGoliath You’re right. And yet, that was the most emotional scene of the whole movie for me. I think I’m just a sucker for Harrison Ford. 😂

[@Sin-kj9qt]

Not to mention Han solo continued to age after his death....somehow 😂😂

[@cleanerben9636]

Thats actually good. However, it was done poorly just like everything else in the film.

[@banjo5224]

The first step to forgiveness is to forgive yourself and try to right your wrongs

[@AlbionLegend]

"It's okay, Kylo. I forgive you." "Thanks, Kylo." "No worries. You're a handsome man, Kylo." "Eyy, you too, Kylo."

[@Leon-169]

“Who are you?” I’m Rey. “Rey who?” *REY-D SHADOW LEGENDS, WITH OVER 25 GAJILLION DOWNLOADS ON THE GOOGLE PLAYSTORE!!!*

[@emeraldmann1329]

@@Exigentable Like R:SL.

[@jblue1622]

Leon 13 The best game ever because they’re paying me to say so but I’d say so even if they didn’t pay me!

[@jblue1622]

But thankfully I was paid so I don’t have to pretend I like it

[@jblue1622]

#smoooooewth

[@MassiveFoot29]

God dammit, fine have a like for making laugh

[@FanksCast]

I find it incredible that not a single person on the writing team or even the actors protested against the "secrets only the sith knew" line. At least one of them have to had watched the prequels before filming

[@darksidegryphon5393]

I suspect that, 1) if anyone protested, they'd get yeeted, 2) they just wanted a paycheck, 3) they were too done with it, 4) a bit of 1), 2) and 3).

[@alisaurus4224]

It’s confusingly phrased, but I don’t think they meant cloning was a secret Sith thing. I took it as a list of options: dark science, AND/OR cloning, AND/OR secrets only the Sith knew.

[@ehmehsmeh824]

Things wrong with the Sequel Trilogy: 1. Everything. 2. Even more somehow.

[@markercrayon457]

The best thing about them is that they all have pretty good looking visuals (even if they don’t make sense sometimes)

[@emperornero2902]

@@markercrayon457 dont make sense ever**

[@nagitoad]

This comment reminds me of Kevin the assistant

[@ollkorrect1]

dorkly reference?

[@SuperMarley0]

This movie somehow makes The Last Jedi (Atleast Imo) the best of the trilogy. But a trilogy can't be three different movies pushing in 3 different directions. The prequels were bad, but they all told the same story, and were clearly heading towards a clearly defined conclusion so as a trilogy it was fairly coherent, and consistent.

[@deedumdim]

This is like a bad Dungeons and Dragons campaign where the DM is too afraid to hurt his players so he just gives them every answer and never risks killing them for good

[@the4given196]

u get hit by the breath of a ancient blakc dragon roll a dex save! uhhh 12... u save and get 6 acid damage! cant risk them dying gotta nerf the attack to 4d6 dmg and a dexsave of 10

[@matthiasmoser6096]

This is so accurate. Have my like, Sir!

[@jblask2]

Guilty as charged.

[@tinableachxx12]

This entire movie was just a big ass slap in the face to Darth Vader tbh

[@magikztrix]

How

[@aijokallen6669]

@@magikztrix He didn't get his redemption nor did he bring balance to the force. And he was the believed chosen one, chosen for what? For killing a clone of Palpatine? ROFLMAO

[@Leggey]

Magikz Trix whay they said + Rey berry’s his lightsaber in the sand lmao

[@masteryoda3247]

Anakin didn’t kill a clone of Palpatine, he killed the real Palpatine, I find it funny how most of the people who hate Rise of Skywalker don’t know even basic facts of the universe

[@gordonbarrie6926]

Master Yoda But can you blame people for thinking it was a clone? This film is absolutely trash and doesn’t give us anything on how Palpatine survived. Since I don’t view the sequels as canon and since this film is a complete mess, I don’t really care to look into whether or not Palpatine was a clone when the film doesn’t make it obvious or clear.

[@SorcererVtuber]

My god the sheer joy i felt when Mauler jumped in 3/4 in to pick apart the ships not being able to go up killed me

[@amipadme3985]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Laxhoop]

So... Luke held onto Leia’s lightsaber... But not his own... O.K., JJ.

[@Electroporcupine]

We never see Luke's lightsaber, it's just sitting in his hut for all we know.

[@wynbarrett2989]

@@Electroporcupine we saw that in the first sequel. Orange Yoda had for a reason that has never been clarified.

[@tevcon317]

Herschel Elyesian Not his green one

[@thinkwithurdipstick]

Herschel Elyesian think he meant Luke’s green one. The blue one is Anakin’s technically

[@BigT.Larrity]

I mean, do you cherish something a family member made more or do you cherish something you made more? The lightsaber means a lot to us as fans, but to Luke it was simply something he made to achieve his goals, a tool not a sacred object. I have my own issues with TLJ, but I laughed my ass off when Luke tossed it over his shoulder and was excited to see a different take on his character.

[@WhaleofDreams]

So let me get this straight. Rey buries the Skywalker lightsaber, Anakin’s lightsaber, in sand. “Coarse, rough, and irritating sand that gets everywhere”, which will undoubtedly fill every intricate inner part of that lightsaber, a weapon which by the way, was supposed to be more important to a Jedi than almost anything else, and is never supposed to be lost or destroyed. And let’s not just skim over how established Anakin’s hatred for sand is. You can’t mention his name once on the internet without someone cracking a sand joke. *why*

[@SorowFame]

To be fair, it’s not like Rey knew that Anakin didn’t like sand, she probably associated the lightsaber with Luke and knew his home planet was Tatooine, hence why she buried it there. That doesn’t make it less disrespectful but at least it explains it.

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

I think it’s symbolic of Disney filling the once thriving franchise of Star Wars full of useless tokenism and symbolism. They keep running the saber that is Star Wars through the sand in a vane attempt to clean it. Only to succeed in filling it with more sand and ruining it. Then they present it to us with a greedy smile: “We worked hard for this one”. I think Star Wars belongs in the public domain where real passionate fans can do Disney’s job for them. Because we know Disney hardly can.

[@xiesie_xiesie]

It shows how Disney had N O ideas for more stuff. I miss THE REAL Luke...

[@Ealsante]

@@SorowFame It's funny because that's the exact attitude Disney has with the entire mythos. It's just like what happens when you mention you like owls to a relative, and then they give you owl stuff for birthdays forever after that, because "this guy = owls". So by the same token, "Anakin = Tatooine". Oh, wait, Luke too! "Luke = Tatooine also!"

[@campeãodomundo2137]

Soooooooo... Spudnik, are you from Poland?

[@WeRlostAndFound]

*the end of this sequel* Qui-Gon Jinn wakes up; "What a horrible dream."

[@branflakescereal4174]

That would be the only good subversion

[@hessexm8065]

Branflakes Cereal it honestly it wouldn't because it that's like, one of the biggest cop outs ever

[@branflakescereal4174]

@@hessexm8065 Sorry, let me rephrase. It would be the best subversion out of all the subversions in this sequel trilogy

[@hessexm8065]

@@branflakescereal4174 oooohhhh then yeah i agree thanks for clearing it up

[@lonelymaddle]

honestly i'd much rather have that than whatever this mess of a movie ending was

[@Hepheat75]

Guys, I don't want to alarm anyone. Somehow Palpatine returned.

[@torlumnitor8230]

"In my experience there's no such thing as luck."--Obi Wan Kenobi "I'll write a script around that." J.J. Abrams.

[@FM_LEGENDARY]

FreezingTNT Really only the worst films in the franchise, such as Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and Rise Skywalker.

[@FM_LEGENDARY]

FreezingTNT Dude, these are movies. Almost everything is convenient. If two people germane to the plot met accidentally, had a baby and that baby turned out to be important, you’d call it convenient or contrived. Watch Th3Birdman’s A New Hope or Man of Steel video. He covers convenience very well, stating that everything in a movie is convenient. You could also say “How did R2 and Threepio land on the same planet as a farm boy that happened to be force-sensitive, the son of Darth Vader, and happen to live near another force sensitive that just so happened to be Vader’s old mentor?” Almost everything is convenient, it’s not a bad thing. Convenient and contrived are different things. One is common, the other actually ruins films.

[@patrickpoulin1362]

Can we also talk about the fact that Finn’s arc writes itself? He has the big last fight with the stormtroopers, and what made him so compelling in The Force Awakens was that he humanized stormtroopers. Yet here he is, gunning down stormtroopers in the climax, and the movie gives that no dramatic weight, as if they’re not people. How hard would it be to add a scene where Finn turns some stormtroopers to his cause and leads them in a defiant act against the institution that stole them as children, and all these stormtroopers help him take down the navigation thingy. It’s not much, but at least it gives Finn some semblance of an arc so that John Boyega isn’t wasted just running around screaming “ReY” all movie.

[@patrickpoulin1362]

Sari Çizmeli Mehmet Ağa for real lmao. it’s a bad script in general, and all the characters are written poorly, but Finn’s character is the saddest waste to me. They really could’ve had something there.

[@Mike-rn5yr]

I hope you get a good job in the future. Put those ideas to good use.

[@patrickpoulin1362]

Sari Çizmeli Mehmet Ağa Finn is just an example tho. I felt like there were literally no powerful character arcs at all to hold onto. Really sad considering I was genuinely invested in a lot of these characters.

[@patrickpoulin1362]

Mike Wow! Thank you, that means so much to me! What a nice compliment. I’m working on getting there lol, got some short films on my channel if you’d like a sample of some of those ideas or if you’d like to show support! Lmao Seriously tho, thanks for the compliment. I appreciate it :)

[@politicallycorrectredskin796]

It was a silly character made worse by being frozen in place after about an hour of the first movie and then dropped like an old sock. It had already been established that this imperial army with which Uncle Palps conquered the galaxy consisted of Django Fett clones, right? He stayed in the cloning place, and we met him there in Attack of the Clones? There was a space battle between him and Obi wan as well, so not exactly an underdeveloped theme I think. These are the sort of things you forget about only if the movies are good. And they're really not, here... The existence of Finn at all just highlights the problem with these movies for me: We wants cool things to happen and they magically do, because those underpaid people over there makes them happen even if it's a terrible idea! Not one shit given about the universe it's happening in, what the rules might be there or how it will affect that universe when you add completely random shit because JJ thinks it looks or sounds cool.

[@johnnymcauliffe1289]

8:00 “Their shields don’t work in atmosphere.” That’s a rule established in Star Trek, not Star Wars. It appears Jar Jar Abrams has mixed up his Sci-fi franchises...eh, whatever, it’s all the same, right Jar Jar Abrams?

[@AzureRoxe]

Also, i'm pretty sure we've not only seen shields in general work normally anywhere, we've flatout seen fighters have their shields active regardless in previous movies as well. It's like they just didn't bother to watch the movies themselves at all, let alone understand the lore behind them.

[@opo2597]

Whoa! Calm down dude, he's not THAT bad! (Jar-Jar, that is.)

[@dragonknightleader1]

I'm not even sure that is in Star Trek. Not that it matters as Jar Jar doesn't even understand his own movie or characters.

[@vaguelyawareofstuff2955]

Jar Jar Adrams!! That is BRILLIANT!! Did you think that up all by yourself ?? It's literally never been used anywhere by any other butthurt sad act who thinks their lines are comedy gold.

[@enigma-turingmachines3914]

So...does Jar Jar have a drug addiction as an excuse for his horrific work?

[@lakeway13]

The idea of Chewie asking about his medal in every single movie is absolutely hilarious!

[@clankertown]

Yeah I loved that part in the phantom menace when Anakin said “ I am going to program the ability to read Sith language into my protocol droid but not allow him to say what he reads out loud”

[@Ashiphan]

I feel like the authors Just went "There are no characters we can kill off from those movies so let's not waste our time making sure what we do makes sense with THOSE ones"

[@clankertown]

@@Ashiphan yeah we can’t kill them we still have toys to sell!

[@JungleLibrary]

It's plausible that Anakin didn't program anything, he just salvaged existing parts discarded for scrap, including a pre-programmed protocol droid brain (after all, Anakin didn't know all those languages).

[@thebrutusmars]

So when I was watching this movie, I took it that the Senate legislation about translating Sith text came after the events of Phantom Menace considering they didn’t think the Sith still existed prior to that movie. We can assume that C3P0’s computer(?) wasn’t programmed by Anakin, but a part he found & tweaked. I mean, Anakin didn’t know 6 million languages, so he can’t have programmed 6 million languages himself. Which I think makes perfect sense. And I’m *not* a defender of this movie or this trilogy. But of all the problems to take with this movie, this wasn’t one of them for me. Idk. Feel free to interpret differently, but that’s how I took that bit of dialogue

[@D_Abellus]

@@thebrutusmars However the better reason both in universe and writing wise is literally just to say that his programming when it came to language was done assuming the sith had gone extinct so ofc he wouldn't know it.

[@chickenwarrior94]

"I'm Rey" "Rey who?" "Rey Binks" *Jar Jar's force ghosts smiles in the distance

[@LilJ3090]

I've never cringed harder How dare you dishonor Darth Jar Jar in such a degrading manner

[@danielholgate1879]

Rey rey binks is better than rey palpatine

[@captainsimbadog8347]

Lol

[@deanmottershead9208]

It’s not the ending Star Wars wanted but it’s the ending Star Wars now deserves.

[@leftygaming4522]

Would’ve been s o o o o o o o much better

[@ejmeserve6894]

I think there is a pretty obvious answer to Kylo's ship surviving an explosion...the dark side is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

[@M1DA5_]

It escaped.

[@thesetwofloofs5397]

Somehow, Kylo survived.

[@marja-liisamakinen676]

somehow kylo returned

[@MariOmor1]

...or maybe he just used another copy of it offscreen? If you look closely the ship he used in Episode 9 isn't his Ep 8 ship (which was presumably destroyed when Admiral Holdo sliced the Supremacy in half), but rather a modified TIE Interceptor, meaning it's more likely the ship isn't limited to Kylo's usage Now, how he managed to get to Exegol in a regular hyperdrive-less TIE fighter is a whole 'nother story, though...

[@Man_Aslume]

Is it possible to learn this power?

[@SilverSpoonRiche]

I absolutely LOVE how you can accurately use stock footage from the previous films to describe scenes you can't show from this one. LOL

[@sid6076]

Questions about this movie 1: how is palpatine alive 2: how’d he get to that planet 3: who are those people helping him 4: how’d he clone or make snoke 5: why did he clone snoke, why couldn’t he just come back 6: why does kylo ren take the mcmuffin 7: why are those people hiding the mcmuffin 8: how does kylo know what the mcmuffin does 9: how did he know this was supposed to lead to the emperor 10: why does the emperor send a message 11: why does kylo trust palpatine 12 : why does the resistance need a spy to tell them what the emperor said already 13: why didn’t we hear what palpatine said 14: why are they just laying low in the first order comet 15: why is the data so big if it’s just a small message 16: how can tie fighters jump into hyper space 17: why is Rey better then everyone 18: how is light speed skipping leading to finding planets 19: how are po fin and others not dead from this they would’ve crashed 20: why isn’t Rey there since she would beat everyone 21: how does leia know how to train a Jedi 22: why does Rey need training 23: why did luke write in the sacred Jedi text 24: why does he wanna burn down the only thing that could lead to palpatine 25: why is the resistance so small 26: did the first order nuke the military? 27: who are the first order 28: how did they form 29: how did the resistance form, are they there own faction? 30: why is cloning a sith secret if a war was fought with clones 31: why not kill leia off in the last Jedi and have like come back that way and train Rey even tho she doesn’t need training 32: how did kylo get his helmet pieces 33: who are those people around him 34: where were they in the whole series 35: what are the knights of ren? Are they jedi? 36: why is c3po going? 37: why isn’t rose going 38: why does Rey give leia lukes lightsaber only to get it back 39: this is the first time these 3 are together on screen and how long have these guys known each other 40: why are there first order people in this festival 41: do they have control all the worlds 42: why is lando there faster then the heroes 43: was he always there 44: how did he spot chewy in this colorful sunny festival 45: how do they pull shit to another universe 46: how are they even Skype calling if snoke was the one who did that 47: did palpatine make them a dyad but forget about it 48: why are the first order using treeded speeders 49: why does kylo think this is the planet of the necklace could’ve come from somewhere else on another planet 50: why does bb8 think this firework would help 51: they’ve never seen a jet pack? 52: why didn’t Rey levitate to get out the quicksand 53: why didn’t she levitate all the sand things 54: what was Finn gonna say 55:how didn’t luke find this 56: how didn’t lando find this 57: why is lando even helping like 58: why is Dartg Ochi dead 59: wasn’t he an assassin 60: how did Rey learn how to force heal 61: why didn’t anakin use this 62: why didn’t any Jedi use this 63: why is it her life force if the force surrounds everyone 64: why does the dagger have a map to another map to get a map to palpatine 65: why is the ship in perfect condition 66: why does bb8 revive d0 67: why does Finn give po shit about him hot wiring if he’s a storm trooper 68: why does Rey go out when she senses kylo 69: does she love or hate kylo, like hell she killed two father figures and she still almost went for his hand 70: shouldn’t she stay in the ship and get the fuck out 71: why is chewy the only one to go 72: if Finn was gonna say he is force sensitive then why doesn’t he tell anyone 73: why does kylo wanna kill Rey if he wants her alive 74: why didn’t chewy fight back 75: why didn’t kylo use his lasers 76: why didn’t he just fly above atmosphere and let the storm troopers stun her 77: why are the knights of ren there 78: why do they have clubs and axes 79: why does palpatine even want Rey dead if he needs her at the end 80: why didn’t kylo ren die in the explosion 81: why is he crystal clean 82: why doesn’t he have a scratch 83: where’s his helmet 84: didn’t the mcmuffin blow up 85: why did tru force pull this one transport if she can’t sense chewy on this one 86: how did she shoot lighting 87: how did they escape the first order 88: why is Rey on a dark streak rn 89: why doesn’t Finn tell Rey he’s force sensitive 90: why is d0 shy he’s a droid 91: why does po go to a planet where people hate him 92: why not go back to base and have some translate the dagger 93: c3po has it in his memory so go back to base and head to where it’s at 94: why are the knights of ren useless 95: why is everyone useless but Rey isn’t 96: why does babo not have a way to save c3po memory banks 97: why can’t c3po just point to where it’s at if he can’t translate what it says 98: chewy is alive but how didn’t they torture him by the time the team gets him 99: why did zora give po her medallion if she hates him 100: why does kylo have all of cheats stuff in his quarters 101: why are they still Skype calling if snoke was the one who did that 102: why is hucks the spy 103: wasn’t he a first order enthusiast 104: why is he helping them at all doesn’t he hate almost all the characters 105: why does Rey give c3po everything 106: why does Rey fight kylo Id add more but I’m tired as hell

[@RubixaNdGames]

ok, 1 wtf, 2 why and 3 good job

[@ryanm.8720]

General Hux is a spy since he got tired of putting up with Kylo Ren, who had force-choked him and pushed him into a wall in the previous movie. As Hux puts it: "I don't care if you win. I just need Kylo Ren to lose.". Why the Resistance would recruit someone who ordered the destruction of Hosnian Prime is never stated. Also, Hux would've been executed as a war criminal had he not been killed by General Pryde.

[@vsGoliath96]

A good list of questions... For another time.

[@Joghurtder]

107: Why can the guys from the resistance shoot better than the stormtroopers who are trained since they are children?

[@sid6076]

Ryan M. Okay if he doesn’t want kylo to win then why would he risk his faction and his beliefs because one dude hurt his feelings

[@darthvaderskywalker0]

I watched this movie on an airplane and people still walked out

[@legakattack4771]

Maybe they walked out because you killed their children

[@theparrishshow9803]

I don’t get it

[@steelfox1448]

@@theparrishshow9803 In theaters if a movie is so bad you can't bring yourself to finish watching it, you just walk out. What this distinguished gentleman is saying is that people who watched it on a plane hated it so much that they just walked out.... Of the plane... To their deaths...

[@theparrishshow9803]

@@steelfox1448 Ah I see, thank you for clarifying this for me

[@JonCom3dy]

This comment should have more likes

[@vikashkthakur]

Spaceballs looks more logical than this, and that was a spoof.

[@Luna-xr3dk]

I preffer spaceballs than this

[@-JaggedGrace-]

I smiled at your exaggeration, and then realized it wasn't exaggeration

[@jeroenceulemans3715]

At least Spaceballs' writers made an effort to write a storyline that the silliness could be based on. TRoS just has nothing so nothing can be based on it.

[@aidankiehl2415]

I see your shwarts is as big as mine - darth helmet.

[@lastfirst5863]

Far more consistent too.

[@UtubeWatchu]

This video is old, but it's excellent. I'm honestly surprised you didn't go into greater detail with the dagger, though. Rey had 'a feeling' that the group would need the dagger, and when they land on that moon, they happened to land on the spot where the dagger was perfectly aligned with the wreckage (that somehow didn't erode at all from when the dagger was cut out, despite being surrounded by ocean) to point out the throne room. Out of all the scenes that suffered from 'knowing the script', that was the longest one of all.

[@alisaurus4224]

Apart from the erosion thing, there was no indication that spot was the right one to look from. There could’ve been a symbol on the knife, and a stone pillar with the symbol on the viewing spot. Or SOMETHING

[@nickalimonos3588]

When Episode VII came out, I made the joke, "What are they gonna do next? Make hundreds of Death Stars?" Then . . . they did exactly that.

[@Ramsey276one]

OUCH XD

[@Kolonol1]

Lmfao!!! Quite literally XD at least the EU just has the Prototype death star and a couple of other superweapons that do different things... Although everyone hates the sun crusher saying it's op...well...I mean....that's life...shit happens and some things are OP...I mean how do you think the Japanese thought of the atomic bomb? "No that's OP it's stupid...you can't use it" I like it because it IS OP...and they deal with it...

[@kai9755]

By far the worst part of this movie for me is the fact that Rey has force healing. Anakin skywalker, who turned to the dark side so he could save padme from dying... Rey just has this force ability and heals a worm.

[@tdjkhazard4522]

For a moment I thought you were referring to when she healed Kylo 😂😂😂

[@adityabhalekar3506]

tbh its not that bad. She had access to some ancient text if I'm not wrong, while anakin didn't know how to heal fatal injuries. There are other and worse problems

[@suezuccati304]

@@adityabhalekar3506 then why does anakin not have the same power even if it's implied Palpatine had them?

[@NotRJ001]

@@suezuccati304 because that's the whole point of Anakin's Downfall. He was trying to save Padme from death and Palpatine manipulated him believing that he was going to give it to him but of course he lied and turned him to the dark side. Plus the ability that Palpatine had was able to heal and revive others while Rey was able to heal while Kylo gave his energy to Rey and then he dies. But also Rey is also the gRaNd dAuThEr of Palpatine so she could've inherited it which is completely stupid.

[@suezuccati304]

@@NotRJ001 tbh palpatine having the ability to ressucitate himself and not being able to heal is very arbitrary *shrug

[@BaconBotVbeta]

Kylo: "How did you survive the Death Star?" Palpatine: "dying is gay"

[@Jake-ui4wz]

' A good question, for another time.'

[@ano_nym]

RedLetterMedia's theory that the Palpatine was just a clone actually makes sense in regards of that. It was no the Palpatine we see in this movie that was killed there, just a clone.

[@scoredracoon9727]

lmao

[@caseycourtney6425]

"Always remember son, dying is gay "

[@synkmusictv4164]

Clarity 1 second ago Why" cause Jesus did i think so er I will too" Thats right im not who palpatinini sounds like a Jawa to me, no i'm I wanna say Crist wow hang on let me just read this stupid book again, horus, mithras no they are just exactly the same as the one im looking for, i want the cool one, dead cool ha ha ha get it? oh yeah er i'll get back to you I'm on genesis and its Fing hilarious two people oh man why didnt i think this. Oh an ark with animals 2 by 2. hang on i no its here. No sorry thats just implausible even for me, but go on i'm him yano me, hi dude. I....'mm Gaay" hello

[@randomlydumb6161]

"Rey I never told you!... The darkside of the force is a gateway to many powers some consider unnatural."

[@Lunartic_]

"I'm Peter by the way." "Rey Skywalker" "Oh, we're using our made up names. Then I'm Spiderman."

[@moonknightish]

Stolen from Mauler

[@TheEmbessyNetwork]

The fact they both uploaded the same day and I'm watching both makes up for actually watching this film...

[@squibble311]

nice

[@sirkuchen1501]

Totally stolen

[@neilcuckmann1704]

No

[@180lim]

What if the Death Star destroyers are just root vegetables and he just had to pick them after they were ripe.

[@joshuazarate9780]

Lmao thank you

[@viscountrainbows6452]

If he wasn't a cheapskate he could pay to skip the wait in a MTX

[@19Ledor]

Kylo: "Why didn’t you take back the empire after the second Death Star was destroyed?" Shivee: "I had to grow new Star Destroyers. You have to harvest them just at the right time, when they are ripe and juicy or they lack those important vitamins."

[@Marinealver]

I was going to say they are a hidden cheat code in Star Wars: Empire At War.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

@@Marinealver Palpatine just modded the game using XML files so he can give his faction all those Bullshit-Destroyers.

[@luffytaro5566]

"Somehow, Palpatine Returned" This really symbolizes Great writing in all of movie history and whoever wrote it should get an Oscar or whatever the prize is

[@lazyliongames6660]

He gets “the award of infinite bullshit”

[@BroomPusher2024]

They deserve Five across the Face 👋

[@crimesweepersthewebseries3385]

The sequel trilogy is twilight in space.

[@BiriBiri925]

Pulitzer Prize for Literature.

[@glitchedcrit3848]

I could imagine Poe not knowing how Palpatine returned and saying that, I think the big issue is that no actual explanation was given, to the audience or to the main characters.

[@mrhoneycutter]

In prior Star Wars movies, the Force augments a user’s physical & mental abilities, giving them peak physical capabilities and allows them to mentally manipulate the world around them (more/less basic magic). Then in the sequel trilogy, the Force is literally God powers, where users can heal near-fatal wounds, planet-wide destructive lightning, and near-total invulnerability (except when they don’t).

[@adambanon3263]

Rey's parents were alcoholic nobodys, but only to keep her safe see. Let me have another drink here, you're not safe enough yet.

[@uhh4335]

OHoohH

[@Kevin-cm5kc]

And then felt the need to abandon her as an orphan on some random planet with an alien monster at age... What, 6? For safety and stuff

[@SovereignStatesman]

adam Banon: That was just their COVER, to keep Palpatine from discovering her identity while she was in hiding. You know, like....yeah. "REY: I AM YOUR GRAND-father!" NOTHING IN THESE FILMS IS ORIGINAL!

[@SovereignStatesman]

@@Kevin-cm5kc Well it's the perfect hiding-place.

[@adambanon3263]

@@SovereignStatesman it's so sad. The Star Wars lore is so deep and this is what we got. Shameful.

[@SempfgurkeXP]

Sheev: survives explosion, big explosion and vaccuum at 0 kelvin Padme: *dies of sadness*

[@MaxWelton]

Also Sheev: dies “permanently” to his own lightning as a ROTS reference, despite the fact that he intentionally disfigured himself with Sith Lightning in that movie in order to manipulate the Senate into electing him Emperor and he has no reason to do something similar in this movie

[@jamesmckeown8610]

Just to point out, empty space has a temperature of approximately 2.73 K (the current temperature of the CMB). Also Leia does the same exact the thing and then dies of sadness.

[@SempfgurkeXP]

@@jamesmckeown8610 true. also the temperature was most likely more like 50 k cause death star explosion

[@jamesmckeown8610]

@@SempfgurkeXP yeah and also it would be higher because it’s a “long time ago” so the CMB wouldn’t have cooled as much

[@yoloswagbigswagmoments]

It must have just been a fan theory but I will forever believe that Palpatine stole Padmé's life force and gave it to Anakin in order to prevent Anakin from dying. The midwife droid would have just been like 'huh she really do be losing the will to live right in front of me'. I refuse to believe anything else

[@mattfromwiisports6209]

Finn had potential to be a very good character, a former stormtrooper who realized the wrong of his ways and joins the rebellion to try and stop the dark side, but instead JJ decided he could be better as a Rey follower with no real character or development.

[@Secret_Sun33]

More like Kathleen Kennedy wanted all men's roles to be pathetic and subservient to the female lead roles.

[@KC_Smooth]

@@Secret_Sun33 Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

[@mewmeister8650]

Don't forgot that his role had to be downplayed for to avoid upsetting the chinese audience.

[@wmmseo]

This could have been the best part of the trilogy. But alas, there could have been good movies.

[@TonyEboy1]

I feel like he had the most potential, imagine how great it would be to see a force sensitive storm trooper grow to become a Jedi under Luke

[@kevinashley478]

1:11:55 Dont forget, if Kylo survived and Rey died, the title would be accurate as Kylo IS a Skywalker.

[@k.c.r.5974]

No. Kylo Ben is a Solo.

[@williamgeorge3111]

@@k.c.r.5974 They've got Skywalker blood in 'em, close enough.

[@cliffyb461]

"Not only did Kylo survive the ship blowing up, the ship survived the ship blowing up"... *shows smoldering wreckage of kylos ship* I'm dead, that edit was great lol

[@redshirt49]

I didn't even NOTICE that when watching the film. I guess it is just so JARRING my brain could not even register this happening.

[@awesomegaymer5786]

@@redshirt49 or he could've just had a different ship and take the mcguffun with him

[@lukefox718]

@@redshirt49 I enjoyed the rise of Skywalker only cause my brain didn't register half the stuff that happened

[@lemonplayz4032]

bekah saxon He crashed a flaming ship. I don’t think he had enough time to stop driving the ship, disconnect the thing, grab the thing, and protect it. Kind of a stretch don’t you think

[@marcusfox7001]

@@lukefox718 yep same but I watched it again and hated it lol

[@risso2309]

J.J.: We're bringing back The Emperor. Darth Nihilus: A living black hole in the Force that could've plausibly been lurking within it due to his metaphysical nature. Abeloth: Lovecraftian being that can imitate other lifeforms and has near god-level power, would be able to imitate others easily and would be all for destroying the galaxy. The Hutts: Space gangsters that have influenced galactic society for hundreds of years by sheer guile and intricate planning. There have been Force users born among them and one could've risen to be the next leader of the Hutt cartels. Would obviously want to take over the galaxy and would be smart enough to have someone else do the fighting. Darth Plagueis: Palpatine's master and the one who figured out how to create life using midi-chlorians and was indirectly responsible for creating Anakin Skywalker. Being a Sith, he would've known Palpatine would make an attempt to usurp him and could've planned accordingly. Grand Admiral Thrawn: Imperial admiral who nearly defeated the fledgling New Republic using only his meager forces and brilliant tactics. He could've been the one responsible for the creation of the First Order and was using Snoke as a puppet. All of these would've been infinitely superior choices for surprise villains and would've been met with much better reception.

[@brianbrush5107]

Okay, my own thoughts aside? That would have sucked. Yeah they're good villains, but if they were going too throw in a new final boss for the skywalker saga, Palpatine was the best option.

[@TheHonorableRyu]

+Valdet Paumi They could have come up with something more interesting than what they did with just the other existing villains and the power struggle between them: Kylo and the Knights of Ren (representing the mystical side of the First Order), Pryde (the methodical, experienced side, similar to Thrawn), and Hux (young extremist side). But if they really wanted to bring Palpatine back, for the metaphysical heft or whatever, he could been like a dark side spirit influencing things from the shadows that has to be exorcised from the galaxy, similar to Exar Kun in the EU, similar to and yet opposite the spirits of the Jedi that live in Rey. Instead of, you know, being alive in the flesh with only a non-committal half-explanation and a gazillion star destroyers, such that the heroes have to spend half a movie looking for video game macguffins to find his secret lair.

[@thinkwithurdipstick]

I’d say everything other than Hutts or Thrawn. The Hutts don’t really have ambitions to rule the galaxy, they just run their crime organization. Plus who would it be, Jarbo the Hutt? It’d be really random whatever the case. And I’d just prefer they don’t touch Admiral Thrawn.

[@brianbrush5107]

@Doodiman360 Cause Palpatine has been the big bad for the last 2 trilogies. It makes sense for him too be the big bad for the whole saga

[@AdrianCelsiusTepes]

Brian brush yes, however, you forgot one crucial element, it doesn’t matter how much "sense" it’s supposed to make for the saga as a whole, ep VI clearly showed that he died and that the death star he was one was completely blown up. The only thing ep IX achieved is making the Skywalker saga about the Palpatines, since the emperor and his lineage seem to have more of an impact on the story than all of the Skywalkers put together.

[@epicgamerscout5921]

"But palpatine, how did you survive?" "I survived."

[@ieatgluesoyoudonthaveto]

Dang, that’s deep

[@mjr.meltdown8276]

“By not dying”

[@dearcastiel4667]

Kylo: "Were you killed ?" Sheev: "Sadly, yes... But I live !"

[@soconfused8541]

So that’s how you live to 100

[@brodiemunro9292]

Transfering himself into a clone body, the novel explains this

[@TheSnarkyBrit]

My favorite part was when the dagger was used as a looking glass and magically lined up with the outline of the Death Star wreckage and everyone was just okay with that.

[@soconfused8541]

“They can just un-write death” The movie proceeds to do that 3 more times

[@Martin1jg]

"Were you killed?" Palpatine: "Sadly yes, but I lived!"

[@delphikiii]

i hate ice age baby

[@dakotabakken9539]

awesomeposeidon84 I want to kick him in his stupid baby teeth

[@joshuasalem5022]

Well yes, but actually no

[@Jake-ui4wz]

'palpatine, tell me how you lived' The dark side is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be U N N A T U R A L

[@astarottestargazer8240]

heh lol. well sadly most movies these days got the same logic

[@kensey8388]

palpatine’s return literally ruined anakin’s whole story. he was the chosen one and disney completely trashed that

[@guyshepshep8903]

kensey bro don’t bother we all know it sucks

[@Terabit3]

Don't worry. Almost none of the fan base considers Disney's sequels canon

[@vanroyal244]

@@Terabit3 I certainly don't.

[@grantgarbour]

He was the chosen one!! He was supposed to destroy the sith not join them!!!! BRING BALANCE TO THE FORCE NOT LEAVE IT IN DAHKNESS

[@Lowrholler]

I'm like 90% sure Disney has publicly declared The Jedi Order was wrong and it was either Luke or Rey (can't remember) who was actually the chosen one. Not like that totally ruins decades of build up and completely butchers the tonal and relational similarities between Anakin and the biblical figure of Jesus Christ (WHO THE STORY OF ANAKIN SKYWALKER IS LITERALLY BASED ON) Seriously. The story of Anakin was *supposed* to be the story of the Rise and Fall of the most powerful individual in the history of Star Wars. He was the chosen one, a character who's father is literally the force, wielding deific levels of power he would being order to the force and kill the emperor.... ... ... *breathe in* "But nah it's actually Rey look how strong and independent out female protagonists are and how gender inclusive we can be everyone who doesn't like her is just a hater because we made an incredibly powerful female Jedi that's so relatable and quirky and no one has ever done this before and every other female protag suuuuuuuuuuucks because they aren't Rey and she's a Skywalker now because everyone loves the Skywalkers and they're the good guys except when they're not and yay Rey Skywalker"

[@PlayMadness]

38:00 "Do you remember them making jokes in the trash compactor? They didn't, by the way." Han Solo, moments away from dying a horrible death in the trash compactor: "One thing's for sure, we're all about to be a lot thinner!"

[@josuagreis353]

You know what would`ve been good? Instead of saying: "the dark side is a pathway to many abilties some consider to be unnatural." He should`ve said: "Have you ever heard the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise?" implying that he doesn`t want to talk about it and immediately changes topics if he is asked about it.

[@lemonplayz4032]

I think Palpatine is JJ. He likes to do things arbitrarily and then not explain them.

[@sammckinnon8570]

It’s funny because it would also imply that he used that technique to create life somehow and bring himself back, it would at least set up a more believable way to bring him back

[@whatsup6288]

I remember watching this at cinema, and some guy said "fuck star wars" loud when she said rey skywalker. His friend threw popcorn at the screen when rey defeated palpatine

[@itskindofemily]

HAHAHA

[@Bird8745]

That man is the physical embodiment of how we all felt when we watched that movie

[@Neko.091]

Fucking legend

[@TheReZisTLust]

Dont be childish like that ever plz ☠️

[@chobus2181]

Absolute madlad

[@leonardodavi2695]

The dark side of the Force is a... no, wait... lemme rephrase that. The dark side of the writing is a pathway to many scenes some consider to be... nonsensical.

[@leonardodavi2695]

Maybe I should have said "The DUMB side of the writing..."

[@saricubra2867]

Jar Jar Abrams is ruining the best scene from ROTS.

[@katarishigusimokirochepona6611]

Lmao

[@thehighground9514]

Oof size *LARGE*

[@somedude5581]

The dark side of Disney writing is a pathway to many movies some consider to be unnatural.