Star Wars: Attack of the Clones - The Worst Prequel

MASSIVE thanks to Southpaw for helping edit this video! You can check out his channel right here:
/ @southpawlp
Patreon: patreon.com/us...
Twitter: / sheevtalks
Instagram: / sheevtalks
Sheev Talks Discord Server: / discord

[@megazman-y6j]

I ate them. I ate them all. They’re digested. Every single one of them, and not just the turkey, but the potatoes, and the pie too. It's like Thanksgiving, and I swallowed them like Thanksgiving! I ate them! I know, a day too late but still. To be hungry is to be human.

[@MrBelles104]

To be hungry is to be weak, pathetic mortal. Be like me, ouroboros incarnate, the only feeding on itself-self-perpetuity realized.

[@willbyrob6582]

Well I had a delicious roast chihuahua from Elwood’s Dog Meat Farm for Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving!

[@Lord-MoldyButt0]

This comment should get thousands of likes 😂😂😂.

[@kerrychristensen7204]

Mmm, pie

[@theDAVIScomplex]

Hunger leads to anger…

[@kirby7294]

The best part of killing Ventress in Episode 3 is she cannot be shoe horned into the Bad Batch Season 3

[@SheevTalks]

Like that would stop them

[@MovieMaster-98]

Yeah, it would not have stopped them because they already retconed her death in Dark Disciple, which is a canon book

[@kirby7294]

@@SheevTalks Just let me have this fantasy

[@hubertwaliszewski5740]

​@@SheevTalks Look. Plo-Koon is Dave's favorite and he still hasn't brought him back because luckily George made it very clear that he died in Revenge of the Sith so... Good for us.

[@prdalien0]

Maul died in episode 1 and look what happened...

[@Nikolai1939]

actually the canon reason for Obi Wan's club plan is that he wanted to get drunk and needed a thinly veiled excuse to do it

[@silentecho92able]

Also if only Anakin and the Assassin weren't in that area he would be hitting up them Death Sticks.

[@s1ckboirari]

@@silentecho92able I get its an allegory for cigarettes, but that dude went up to the Space Police (Jedi) and said "wanna buy a stick of death" and Obi-Wan was just like "nah you shouldn't do that I reckon, just go have a think mate" instead of being like "excuse me wha-? death? sticks..? do u not see my uniform/dashing robes?"

[@silentecho92able]

@@s1ckboirari ever seen's i was a kid i always thought the guy was either he didn't know he was a Jedi or maybe he was a bit Drunk and don't know what he was doing

[@grimreefer9324]

You fellas are both wrong, Obi-Wan was just trying to play off the fact he was a hard-core death stick addict and that th dealer had just spotted one of his regulars

[@s1ckboirari]

@@grimreefer9324 thats the new canon idc what anyone says

[@SouthpawLP]

"You've gotta do better, senator!"

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

Nobody checked the clone army in the arena.

[@vee-bee-a]

Holy shit, Captain Falcon makes a cameo. 💀

[@Ididtherightthing]

@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 Dooku just kinda…forgot about the clone army

[@SouthpawLP]

​@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 Kenobi checked the dart at the diner.

[@alexeecs]

24:51, hearing that killed me lol

[@JM-mh1pp]

One important point. Palpatine does not NEED republic to find Geonosis. In fact, logically speaking he was cought a bit of guard. Like, let's imagine that Kamino was not found, and Geonosis is not discovered. CIS manages to build their army in peace, build up their forces, they attack the republic, vital targets are hit, everyone is panicking, boom clone army is needed+ some heavy militarisation because at this point clones are just not enough. Good for Palpatine= heavy war, society militarises, a charismatic chancellor rises to power. If Geonosis is FOUND it is actually a bit of an issue- not enough build up, a distinct possibility that republic will go for a quick win. I think the main problem with prequels are people who think that EVERYTHING is a part of Palpatine's master plan, like he is some stockfish engine thinking all the moves ahead, but if you adopt a mindset that Palpatine also has to improvise and he is creating not plans but opportunities a lot more makes sense.

[@yavoth5850]

That is actually a very good point, which makes much more sense than "Palps orchestrated everything"

[@tsunderemerc2963]

Exactly, and Phantom Menace does this a bit as well. Palpatine certainly planned a lot of things, but as Yoda says, always clouded the future is. He had to be just as adept at improvising and striking at opportunity.

[@onemanarmysswampparty]

what? i always assumed the discovery of geonosis was not in the cards for palpatine like he wanted to avoid that in order to orchestrate a surprise attack on the republic held planets.

[@orphanedhanyou]

Agree, it was obvious to me that he was trying to steer plenty of things but that "those meddling Jedi & Padme" kept snooping.

[@Ravathiel]

isn't this kinda shown in the cartoon as well? everytime the Jedi talk about Military attacks or Intel, Palps is usually their and then interjects his thoughts or says Anakin should take lead etc etc. it is a shame the cartoon expands on too much that the movies didn't.

[@Sam_Montgomery]

Sheev Talks’ Attack of the Clones video is the most disappointing thing since Sheev Talks’ Phantom Menace video, which is the most disappointing thing since my son.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

"No, my other son; Rian Johnson."

[@jayjaydeth]

Not gonna lie, there was a period of my life where I watched the Plinket playlist. Like, a lot. "Palpatine's behind it all!"

[@cantnevercould9660]

@@jayjaydeth That sounds terrible...

[@vaggos2003]

Sooooooooo, you're very prpid of your son? Great to hear! 👍

[@jkcrawl]

@@cantnevercould9660 Why? The Plinkett reviews are based. Prequel babies just couldn't handle the criticism and only like them for the nostalgia.

[@theeducatedfool]

In hindsight, Anakin revealing to Padme that he had killed an entire village should’ve happened in Revenge of the Sith instead. Have that actually weigh on him instead of just confessing it immediately and being inexplicably forgiven because the plot says so. Also my kingdom for a prequel film character that doesn’t talk like an emotionless robot. I know people try to pretend it’s only Jedi talking like that but no, it’s literally everybody

[@6thgraderfriends]

I think him expressing those feelings is actually a really good scene, it just should have been to Owen instead. Then Owen could be like, "Maybe being a jedi isn't all that..." and want him to stay but Anakin still leaves anyway, and that disappointment could haunt Owen for the rest of his life.

[@theeducatedfool]

@ That’s a good point, I could honestly see a conversation like that working on a much more effective angle. The prequels missed a serious opportunity by not properly developing Owen and Beru as characters and it’s frankly astounding how nobody ever acknowledges that. I appreciated how the Kenobi series tried to do a bit more with that but it could only do so much.

[@lukescrew1981]

@@theeducatedfool Except nobody talks like emotionless robots

[@iivin4233]

Even the jedi talking like that don't seem to be intentionallt talking like that. None of them are Data. None of them are Elcor. They aren't Vulcans. There is no artfulness there. There is no innovation on the concept. And most importantly, nothing about it is ever said or implied in the script. Are Qui-gon's admonitions to be mindful and judge clearly an indication that all jedi should convey zero subtext through their dialog--especially protagonists based on a fan favorite villain who is noted especially for his exceptional emotion line delivery?

[@iivin4233]

​@@6thgraderfriendsIf that revelation doesn't disturb Owen almost as much as Padme, then that says something pretty dire about his own personal ethics.

[@KyberKat]

The complete list of the times Anakin actually has rizz 1. He holds her bags for her that one time 2. He makes her laugh once 3.

[@billjacobs521]

He saves her life, if that counts.

[@LegioXXI]

Well the sand line is still peak rizz, i use that line all the time and get ladies left and right.

[@JaqueefiusBrown]

his rizz is accidentally using the force to make her like him

[@Dr4shk0]

@@billjacobs521 nope. Indeed, assisting people in manageable danger isn't an intimate or romantic action - it's basic human decency. Heroic, maybe, depending on the circumstances, rizzy? Nah.

[@iivin4233]

​@Dr4shk0 It would be like a socially awkward member of the secret service suddenly hitting on a female senator after she suffered a car bomb attack in Washington DC itself, and then going on to attempt a relationship with her while she was in a safe house with him, which she was put in after someone threw scorpions in her hotel room window. Then that secret serviceman follows all this up with telling the senator that she is in his very soul, tormenting him. Finally, he takes the senator to his home country, where she gets to hang with his slave buying step-dad while he goes on an excursion to commit a massacre Alone. WIth a sword.

[@thequietman95]

You know, this video made me realize: due to the Jedi’s self-righteous and inflexible moral code, Palpatine could have ran the same game on Anakin by manipulating him into a relationship with literally any woman. Padme’s dead? No worries, Chancellor Palpatine just hired a pretty secretary who’s great at listening, and Anakin’s about to find himself spending a lot of time in the outer office for … reasons.

[@Joe-Przybranowski]

An excellent point I never thought of.

[@vaggos2003]

Hm, interesting point.

[@grimreefer9324]

Basically, Vaders rise is what zero pussy does to a mf

[@Indigo_1001]

Not really. Anakin liked Padme specifically because she was one of the first friend he had outside of his home world. Anakin isn’t as shallow to fall for anyone

[@vaggos2003]

@@Indigo_1001 True.

[@blossom9510]

I suspect you may know this already, but the reason Zam doesn't use her powers when she slips into the bar is because Zam was originally meant to simply be a human. George made her a changeling last minute because he thought it would be fun to use some facial morph FX he'd just learned about, that's why the scenes where Anakin and Obi call her a changeling are all reshoots (you can tell by Obi's really crummy looking glued-on beard). Georgie just can't help himself!

[@nicoloenricorimoldi7425]

Really? That's atrocious!

[@CMReina]

Yeah makes sense he'd do that given the era it was made in, in a better movie it'd be a nice little factoid rather than another annoyance with the writing I think.

[@GhostLink92]

It's a shame that Star Trek levied the Shape shifter thing so much better in the freaking 90's. Granted, that was entire seasons of TV, and not 1/5 of a film. But still.

[@iivin4233]

I recommend you all should read the book A Secret History of Star Wars if you're interested in George's true colors. No, he's not secretly a monster. I'll spoil that much for you.

[@RTU130]

👍

[@SunsetBear]

sheev, if jango wasn’t a fett, how could boba say the line “i grew up surrounded by water” ????

[@grimreefer9324]

For as many issues as that Cosmonaut review might have, you really cant beat the comedy of "PALPATINE SENDS DOOKU, WHO SENDS JANGO FETT, WHO SENDS A SHAPESHIFTER, WHO SENDS A DROID, WHO SENDS _BUGS_ -"

[@donovan4222]

@@grimreefer9324 I didn’t know so many people didn’t like cosmonaut until I found Sheev’s little channel

[@grimreefer9324]

@@donovan4222 i think people just take his word too seriously on both ends- people who haven't watched the movies hes reviewing in a long ass time will often just like, take his opinions and make them their own consciously or subconsciously. and i say this because ive literally been guilty of doing this ALL the time. which leads to the other side of people who have gotten annoyed at his review style or listening to people circulate his talking points over the years. personally i think hes critic third and comedian/entertainer first and second, which cuts him more slack. hes just a dude talking about media he likes and not really a classically educated critic. like his rating system is basically completely inconsistent because sometimes it seems more "objective quality of this movie" and sometimes it is DEFINITELY "how fuckin funny this trash was" but review scores are pointless anyways so i like him jus fine

[@Nick-ue7iw]

@@donovan4222 Cosmo has been called out repeatedly for making arguments that fly right in the face of all evidence to the contrary. He's made it clear in multiple debates with other content creators he really struggles with literary devices and any sort of story that isnt blatantly obvious.

[@donovan4222]

@@Nick-ue7iw Can you give an example?

[@GT_rising24]

If i were a crime boss i think that'd be the safest way to keep suspicion from myself lol

[@mrzirak792]

Attack of the Clones is my favourite episode.... .... In Lego Star Wars: The Complete saga

[@mosshivenetwork117]

that was really fun

[@SpaZNinjA18]

Gunship Cavalry says otherwise

[@mrzirak792]

@@SpaZNinjA18 ok that's the only thing i dislike, but at least it's not as hard as it was in Original Lego Episode 1

[@nick-cepticon782]

Attack of the Clones is a solid third place for me behind Rotj and New Hope. But Discovery on Kamino is my fav Lego level of all time

[@tinyguy1015]

Same

[@whitehawk4099]

There's a few errors that I see often that basically stem from that assumption that Palpatine has a single, overarching plan that must happen exactly as he planned and the movies are simply the unfolding of said plan. In reality, Palpatine has a goal which he moves toward, himself in power over the Republic and the Jedi eliminated, and he changes and adapts his moves to the situation. For example, in the Phantom Menace, he legitimately wanted Queen Amidala to sign the treaty with the Trade Federation. With that done, it would give him a large amount of political capital in the senate which would put him into an excellent situation to become Supreme Chancellor after Valorum left his post. But then Padme escapes, and with the help of the Jedi no less. This is still not unsalvageable, so he sends Maul with the plan to have him retrieve Padme and kill the Jedi in the way. This is unsuccessful and the Jedi escape after seeing a Sith. This was not his previous plan, Palpatine obviously didn't want the Jedi to know that the Sith weren't extinct, but Maul's retrieval was a failure. When Padme arrives, he convinces her to call a vote of no confidence and he becomes Supreme Chancellor. He then plans on securing his powerbase while the Naboo are subjected to various torments, ensuring a constant justification for him to centralise more power in his position as the Senate had grown too frail to even defend the citizens of the homeworld of their own Supreme Chancellor. This likely would have been the way he would have spun it, or something similar at least. But Padme, young and brash that she is, ignores this advice and uses the Jedi and the Gungan army to destroy the droid army. Still, even this Palpatine is able to use to his advantage, as in killing Maul the Jedi think that the Sith have been eliminated once and for all. In the meantime, Palpatine is able to quietly, slowly build his powerbase and become the Senate personified.

[@altEFG]

People will scrutinize every fucking frame of the movie for hours, but will fail to grasp the simple concept of multiple outs.

[@Freindly_commentator]

Agreed

[@donovan4222]

@@whitehawk4099 Whatever his plan was, Padme was the only viable way to turn Anakin to the dark side and anakin was the only way Sidious survived his fight with Windu, so they seem pretty important to his plan.

[@whitehawk4099]

@@donovan4222 You're putting cart before horse here. Why was it necessary that Palpatine fight Windu at all? It only happened because Palpatine explicitly told Anakin he was the Sith Lord, and Anakin then went to tell Windu. Furthermore, I don't think that it was impossible for Palpatine to win that fight. I always got the impression the ending of the fight was manufactured to force Anakin into siding with Palpatine. If he wasn't involved, I suspect Palpatine could have defeated Windu. But if the fight still had to happen, Palpatine could just have a platoon of clones defending him.

[@donovan4222]

@@whitehawk4099 Doesn’t the fact that Palpatine confessed to anakin and risked his life kind of speak to how how much Palpatine thought he needed him? Also, given Windu and Yoda were the 2 strongest in the order, Palpatine probably assumed he would have to fight them at some point. Order 66 didn’t work on Yoda, and I doubt it would be enough to kill Windu either. Couldn’t Windu fight armies of droids by himself without a lightsaber? I never bought into the idea that Palpatine was holding back in the fight with Windu either, he was just trusting Anakin to walk in at the very last second and save him? Or do you think he could have beaten mace at any time he wanted to and just didn’t? That theory seems a bit far fetched and lacking evidence to me.

[@JoeyCarb]

In an act of evolutionary self preservation, my brain completely removed the memory of Phantom Menace puppet Yoda, and I hate that it's been returned to my consciousness.

[@lorddevilfish5868]

Scientists and psychologists have theorized that Arachno and Ophidiophobia are an evolutionary survival mechanism, none compare to reptilian feat of Phantom Menace puppet Yoda!

[@harrambou9468]

You just did the same to me. Pisser. 😂

[@yavoth5850]

The droid factory has to be the lowes point in the entirety of pre-Disney Star Wars. Funnily, I thought for a while that if you cut it out completely, as well as all the R2/3PO scenes in the arena battle, the movie would not miss anything important, and would be much better for it. Now I know why!

[@SixFootTurkey_]

There's behind the scenes footage from the droid factory. Natalie Portman is running around the green screen room and at one point she starts laughing and says George Lucas is pranking her. Lucas replies "it will look good". 😂

[@harrambou9468]

Well, the R2 and 3PO scenes yes but the part about them getting captured kinda had to stay

[@NickNui]

Attack of the clones makes a better video game than a movie. Droid Factory was a completely unnecessary scene, but it was one of the best Lego Star Wars levels.

[@mediadetective6104]

On the Anakin and Padme romance, I personally really despise the excuse people give Anakin that “he was raised by space monks, of course he doesn’t know how to talk to a woman” because I feel like people forget Jedi aren’t just some warriors who meditate all day until a war happens, they are also to an extent politicians. This is literally shown at the start of the Phantom Menace, if you’re going to be a Jedi doing these kinds of things you probably should learn social skills and how to talk to people both in a professional capacity and just on a simple human level. This also makes less sense when characters like Obi Wan and Qui Gon are shown talking to normal citizens and clearly have enough social skills to hold a conversation without sounding like a robot or like a creepy psycho like Anakin. I’m not saying Anakin would be great at flirting, that specifically I’m fine with him not being good at, but his basic social skills are basically nonexistent and “being raised by space monks” doesn’t make sense as an answer when you look at how the Jedi operate.

[@nagger8216]

Not to mention it's still not an excuse for how uncomfortable Padme acts around this guy, then falls in love with him regardless. She doesn't see Anakin's awkwardness as cute or charming at all, that's the problem. He's this weirdo that quickly reveals himself to be a creep, then starts flying off the handle at the smallest shit. But suddenly he has a crisis about his mom dying, and apparently that's enough for her to fall in love with him. There is just no reciprocation from Padme at all, the scene of her telling Anakin they can't be together feels like she's trying to come up with every excuse under the sun.

[@mediadetective6104]

@ I totally agree, I just wanted to mention the Anakin side of things because in the video he basically takes the “he was raised by space monks” excuse as valid and that bothered me. He perfectly explains the Padme side of things but him just breezing through Anakin and how generally he shouldn’t be this socially inept made me want to point it out. But yeah, both sides of the relationship don’t work at all and it’s probably still to me one of the worst fictional romances I’ve seen.

[@donovan4222]

@@mediadetective6104 My problem with that excuse is that if you are going to go the route of Anakin being awkward with girls, you can still do that in a way where he is still likable and not a creepy weirdo. Anakin would be far from the first main character to fumble with women and have negative rizz…the problem is a good writer would do it in cute and endearing way and George doesn’t know how to write natural dialogue or relationships lmao

[@nagger8216]

@@donovan4222 Exactly, nailed it.

[@thomasraines1396]

Exactly, it’s just Anakin being a weirdo.

[@JM-mh1pp]

With mother it could be a bit...problematic... - Jedi are to blame for your mother's death...and the republic that they answer to - The republic...which you were a chancellor of. - Sorry Anakin? - You were a head of the republic ever since I was a kid...and you never did anything to save my mother... I saved Naboo, your homeworld and you not once went "you know what... hey captain whatever take 20k credits from representation fund, take a few fighters and bring Anakin's mother to Courscant"

[@donovan4222]

@@JM-mh1pp lmao that’s true, the call is coming from inside the house

[@6thgraderfriends]

But it would make sense that the republic doesn't reach beyond their borders. The jedi in theory could but they refuse to which is really weird. Wouldn't they want to spread their influence and try to get more jedi across the galaxy whether or not their home planet is affiliated with the republic? Also, I remembered later that Palpatine wasn't even the chancellor at the time. It was just a senator. If anything Anakin could blame the previous administration but not him specifically, if that makes sense.

[@JM-mh1pp]

@@6thgraderfriends Oh come on, we are not talking about planetary anexation or declaration of war, but you cannot tell me that chancellor could not send an envoy and secure freedom for one slave.

[@jayjaydeth]

@@6thgraderfriends The Republic? Sure. But literally all he needs to do is hand some money (or something else of value since republic credits don't work out there, apparently) to someone he trusts and say, hey, keep this on the down low, but I need you to free a slave for me. Even more annoying is that Shmi was kidnapped AFTER Watto had sold her because he needed the money(?). Which would make sense, because we never actually see her doing anything, it was Anakin that was working the shop. So there's no reason why Watto wouldn't want to sell her, especially since he'd probably figure out really quick he could get an astronomical price for her than he otherwise would on Tatooine. In fact he probably imagined they would be back soon for her and was really confused when they never did. Now, the counter argument for this would be that the Jedi would be against that because of attachments and blah blah blah. But they don't have to actually tell Anakin about her, or at the very least they can inform him that she's safe but that he must not contact her and focus on his studies. Because the alternative seems much much worse. i.e.: What happens in the movie. Honestly, it's just bad optics all around. All those years later and it's only now that anyone remembers he has a mom.

[@JM-mh1pp]

@@jayjaydeth and if we are being all reasonable here- Padme...queen of Naboo... Anakin literally saved her people... all those nice dresses, vistas, palaces... not once did she thought... "hey his mother is still there"

[@frishgepresst662]

I think you should make a “Rewrite of the Prequel’s” video. I liked your takes especially the Jedi’s defection to CIS. I would personally really like that type of video.

[@TY-km8hj]

I agree, finish the vids on all the movies and then I think we should get a full rewrite of the pt since they need it quite a bit. Sequels I don't care about nut whatever Sheev does on then I'll watch

[@lancesilvis4085]

to me, it’s pretty straight forward how to fix them, in the first movie, make slavery a bigger deal to Anakin, in the second movie have the jedi side against slaves somehow, and he sides with the jedi initially (could be because he believes if all slaves worked hard enough like he did, they could “earn their freedom” like him) then he turns to the dark side in the third movie when something flips that cope upside down. Palpatine could still be controlling things behind the scenes by being the reason people are kept in slavery, and the reason the Jedi are ordered to kill the people in slavery. But Anakin wouldn’t have that info revealed to him until after he was Vader, but he realizes too late and takes his anger out on the remaining jedi. You could even use the inter-OT movies as a way to explain how he finds out Palpatine was manipulating the actions of the Council.

[@cantnevercould9660]

@@lancesilvis4085 I... think the version we have currently is fine, just needs a little more minor touches.

[@mrreyes5004]

Frigging yes to this. Sheev has already laid out some great ideas to improve this story, but I'd absolutely agree that it would be best to dedicate an entire video to just exploring all of the better paths there are to improving the delivery of the themes and ideas that George Lucas obviously meant to include. Stuff like Anakin's bad life as a slave bugging him more, another Sith character being introduced to give Dooku more time in the spotlight, plus the controversial bits in Episode 3 (I.e., child murdering) being cut out. In its due time, of course.

[@somethingwithultra7231]

I believe the reason he said that and kind of showed panels is because parts-ish of that happens in the Clone Wars Multi Media Project. Although ofcourse that's largely supplementary material not in the movie, and even then doesn't cover it as much.

[@mr.anakinguy7098]

I’ll be honest, I really hate it when you spitball rewrites in your videos because it always makes me think “damn, Star Wars could’ve been way cooler.”

[@Krmelj1308]

I only started watching this guy, what other rewrites did he make?

[@osets2117]

Power of hindsight

[@N120Xeno]

@Krmelj1308He made a video where he rewrites the book of boba fett

[@iivin4233]

People absolutely should spitball rewrites if they want to. It is meaningful when someone can come up with a better idea in a couple minutes. These films are worth tens of millions. I am not suggesting script writers be perfect. I am suggesting that they can afford beta readers and editors.

[@You-Tube-n5k]

@Krmelj1308 He also did a lot of stuff for the Clone Wars show

[@howilearned2stopworrying508]

I always imagined the Kaminoans can't easily tell humans apart so they maybe met Sifodyas once and then Sidious took over the order and a guy in a robe is a guy in a robe - especially when the space checks clear.

[@diegovski]

It goes both ways, those Kaminoans all look the same to me!

[@r.w.9631]

I was honestly baffled that people think the phantom menace was the worst prequel when I've thought this was the worst back in 2007 when I was ten

[@orphanedhanyou]

Absolutely not. 1 & 2 are a 10 & 3 is an 11.

[@r.w.9631]

​@@orphanedhanyouwhat ?

[@barkley8285]

@@orphanedhanyou Episode 1 5/10 Episode 2 4/10 Episode 3 8/10

[@timewarpdrive77]

You thought it was bad when you were ten? Woopty doo!

[@JADBeats]

@@timewarpdrive77 What does this comment even mean lmao

[@JW0522]

Sheev, you failed to realize that without General Grievous we would have never gotten… GENERAL KENOBI!

[@gmat4380]

Hello there.

[@iivin4233]

I wish I could have been in that story meeting where episode 3 Grieveous was invented: "Do what Gendy did but worse."

[@SWDude2710]

​@@iivin4233tbf George kinda didn't like what the 2003 show did with Grievous and believed Grievous, plus his tragic backstory the EU created, felt too similar to and could overshadow Vader's, which was why he was basically responsible for why Grievous in the 2008 show.....is what he is now. I don't personally agree with what George did, and those who take everything George does as Canon only are kinda foolish if they are ok with how he neutered Grievous hard.

[@kjkj128]

i understand not liking the anakin-padme romance and i know im in the minority here but i personally feel it makes a lot of sense. you already mentioned the stuff from tpm, but also if you think about it padme was a queen at age 14, and a senator since. she has very obviously never really gotten her own time to just be herself as a kid and discover normal romance things growing up. on top of that, the majority of people she has been around all her life have been politicians and nobles and such always putting on a mask, being dishonest and making power plays and scheming. then she reunites with anakin, an old friend, and sure he might not have conventional rizz, he is the most himself and honest person she has encountered in a long long time, and he encourages the same from her. it does not surprise me in the slightest that she would fall for him. also i think his dialogue is really not as bad as a lot of people make it out to be, but i am an autistic woman so what do i know

[@tofuteh2348]

i dont think autism has anything to do with bad dialogue

[@kjkj128]

@tofuteh2348 I meant it in the sense of what a lot of people naturally find "cringe" or over the top doesn't really create the response from me. I understand why people feel the way they do about it, but where other people see dialogue that sounds "unnatural" or "cringe" or "over the top", I see a boy being incredibly honest and pouring his heart out to the girl he loves which to me IS very romantic if that makes sense.

[@tofuteh2348]

@kjkj128 i mean sure but I'm allistic but my friend who's autistic finds it FAR more cringier than me which is why idk if autism has much to do with it. Imo their relationship in The Clone Wars show is far more believable despite it also having it's own flaws. Anakin in general is so much better in the show tbh

[@joe_floyd]

star wars fans make 1 million excuses for bad writing. Clone Wars, Original Trilogy, Prequels, its just a bunch of d riders

[@lukescrew1981]

@@joe_floyd Wrong

[@AlphaAurora]

The AOTC Novel covers a LOT more of Shmi on Tatooine. Its nice for more worldbuilding. I am amazed that for the longest movie, AOTC is a whole lot of nothing happening, and a ""and then" plot.

[@timewarpdrive77]

Im listening to the audiobook and I'm not a fan of the author's dialogue

[@mattd5240]

​@@timewarpdrive77Is it better or worse than the movies dialog?

[@timewarpdrive77]

@@mattd5240 I haven't listened to it fully. I've never really had much an issue with a dialogue of episode 2 (besides the romance stuff), so I dunno Im sure you could get a free sample from audible or youtuber or whatever

[@harrambou9468]

Well it is largely a “before the storm you know about” kinda movie. Love it or hate it, that’s what it was. Personally I like that the movie doesn’t show Shmi until Anakin finds her.

[@AlphaAurora]

@@harrambou9468 that's the problem. It should have far better portrayals of obi-anis relationship, the Jedi and the Republic. This was probably the best time to world build and we aren't left with a lot because plot

[@skyslasher2297]

13:10 Its not even inconsistent with the OT since Obi-wan reminded Yoda he was a bit reckless in his youth. Sure Anakin is more reckless in comparsion but I see that as him taking a page out of his masters book.

[@orphanedhanyou]

Every apprentice has to push boundaries. It's a part of growing up. Anakin more so because he was much less indoctrinated into the Order & the status quo that has come to blind the Jedi to their own fears & faults.

[@iivin4233]

​@@orphanedhanyouDoes anyone else think it's weird that the jedi do child indoctrination? They could just have parochial schools, or have nothing to do with children at all. But that's not what Lucas wrote... Other than this not jiving with the OT, I am broadly fine with a faction behaving like this. But there's absolutely zero reflection on it or resistance to it by the wider public. And there's no fundamentalist religious support of the jedi among the people, either. No cynical senatorial support like we see with fundamentalist religious groups on earth. There's no conflict or worldbuilding whatsoever.

[@EPPicstuff]

34:33 Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and General Grevious are all mirror images of who Anakin Skywalker would become, faces of Darth Vader. Darth Maul - The obedient menace Count Dooku - The fallen jedi General Grevious - The killer cyborg So that's why George wanted Grevious in the movie. Whether he's a very interesting character on his own merits, debatable.

[@orphanedhanyou]

Interesting back story but yeah in the film that isn't his purpose. Is Tarkin "interesting" beyond the inferences fans made about him due to the way Peter Cushing portrayed him in such a distinct way that fans felt a whole identity & character behind him even though he only said a few lines?

[@nohbuddy1]

I like making shit up to justify bad characters too!

[@Anakinskynader]

@@nohbuddy1pretty sure this was confirmed by George himself lol

[@publichearing8536]

​@@nohbuddy1how about making up shit as to not think about characters too deeply

[@nohbuddy1]

@@Anakinskynader It wasn't

[@ryanelliott71698]

I’m glad you point out George isn’t a god who can do no wrong, he’s not perfect and can make writing mistakes. Especially now with all the Disney hate, people have a short term memory as I remember all the prequel hate yet now everyone acts like it’s genius.

[@kingorange7739]

I mean don’t get me wrong, George in spite of all his problems is way better as a whole than Disney is. One was a visionary who simply could not carry all the weight he was trying to carry while getting a little full of himself, the other is an actual evil corporation who has fundamentally tried to destroy what Star Wars is to make it something that fits their agenda, actively spite their fans, and use Star Wars as little more than a platform for their political agendas.

[@petermj1098]

⁠​⁠The criticism of the prequels was not the problem. The problem is fans were way too toxic towards the prequel actors and Lucas. The treatment towards both Anakin actors and the Jar Jar Binks actor was terrible. George had good ideas but needed better to revision in the ideas. The fans were way too toxic and mean in their criticism rather than constructive.

[@joe_floyd]

@@petermj1098 womp womp who cares

[@petermj1098]

@ People wonder why Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney when his fans were so toxic cause of the prequels. Lol

[@donovan4222]

@@kingorange7739 “an evil corporation” It’s adorable how you think Star Wars was a “good corporation” before Disney bought it. “Fundamentally tried to destroy Star Wars to make it something that fits their agenda” Why don’t you elaborate on that. George made some horrible garbage movies, but he’s a “good guy”, and Disney made some horrible garbage movies which makes them “evil” and “destroying Star Wars”? Also complaining that a story about fighting space fascism is “political” is honestly hilarious

[@DrDemopan]

1:01:44 One thing to add here is that VFX artists are one of the only professions in the movie industry that *aren't* unionized. As a result, they're overworked and underpaid, and therefore demotivated to do a good job.

[@aether6500]

1:17:46 I have to disagree. Boba got woefully little screentime in the original trilogy, and getting a blue Boba in a jetpack and the same spaceship was way better than any other bounty hunter could have been.

[@Emanon...]

Fuck Boba Fett. He's one of the most overrated characters in all of fiction.

[@Rschr101]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@kurtwagner350]

I kind of agree in a weird way. Most of the time I don’t care for callbacks, but if ever there was a good justification to shoehorn in a legacy character I think this is it.

[@sonoftheway3528]

@@kurtwagner350 He could've just been a Mandalorian and not been directly related to Boba

[@kurtwagner350]

@@sonoftheway3528 🤷‍♂️ that doesn’t really further Boba as a character, it just looks cool in a shallow way again.

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

I am still of the belief George should've used Darth Maul as the big villain in all three prequels, just like Vader was in the OT. Maul should've not died at the end, or just make it look like he died (not cut in half, of course), and then let him return in Episodes II and III as a more developed character, showing he's not only a death machine, but also a cunning strategist (with way more dialog lines). Dooku could've been a Tarkin-like character, not a Sith Lord, but a fallen Jedi working in tandem with the Sith, as a kind of spy among the Jedi. Leave Grievous completely out of the movies, he was literally a third wheel.

[@marcosrecio4062]

No,that sounds stupid

[@Rschr101]

Sounds awesome.

[@OscarASevilla]

Congrats, you managed to make a plot with no soul or as much fun as the prequels. What's next, Palpatine shouldve been left out of episode 6 and it should've been Vader as the ultimate villain?

[@marcosrecio4062]

@@OscarASevilla they always miss the point that the villains in the prequels are foreshadowing Darth Vader in some way,and why was he so powerful. They just want cool bad guy spinning with double lightsabers.

[@0blivionvoid139]

Ignore these others, I can see some merit in the idea. When Maul is revealed, the Jedi speculate on if he is a master or apprentice. Dooku is a Jedi who switches sides and is involved in the plotting. His turn convinces the Jedi that Maul is the master and Dooku is his apprentice that he's training. With the death of Dooku and the final confrontation with Maul its revealed that they've been wrong all along and Palatine is the master and had been pulling all the strings. I disagree with you about Grievous though. He should stay as the general leading the separatist armys. Maybe have him dislike the sith and thier interface with HIS war, unknowing that they are the ones responsible for it.

[@kapitanbuggy]

Despite their flaws I like the other two prequel films. But aotc has always been a tough watch, even as a kid I usually skipped it.

[@bigdoubleu117]

Ep2 is underrated imo

[@JADBeats]

@@bigdoubleu117 It has the worst dialogue of any movie ever

[@bigdoubleu117]

@@JADBeats That's hyperbolic and an extreme over exaggeration

[@JADBeats]

@@bigdoubleu117 No

[@bigdoubleu117]

@@JADBeats so its dialogue is worst than something like The Room?

[@DisFantasy]

I think originally Aunt Beru was meant to bridge the gap between the Lars and the Skywalkers. She remembered Anakin fondly in ANH, comparing him to Luke. In TPM, one of the young girls we see criticizing Anakin for his pod-racer could have easily been her. But in AotC, instead of a child hood friend, she's barely introduced as Owen's girlfriend, and the only times she see's Anakin, he's enraged and grieving over his mother. I think Anakin's friendship with Beru is sacrificed to promote his relationship with Padme. Instead of seeking comfort from Beru over their mutual grief over Shumi's death, he confides in Padme who at least met the lady all those years ago and had some familiarity with her, but there's no personal bond there. AotC is a coming of age film, interrupted by a war movie. It kind of works in a tragic sort of way, but it can cause some tonal whiplash.

[@harrambou9468]

You’re RIGHT 👀

[@luckyducky7819]

I think Yoda's a cooler character for being flawed and ultimately duped into allowing his order to be destroyed. If anything, his more wise persona in the OT is more justified because he's literally seen it all, the good and the bad, and can have the most educated opinion on that subject.

[@orphanedhanyou]

Its what makes OT Yoda & Kenobi perfect because they STILL DON'T GET IT. They STILL don't trust the force, believe in the Skywalkers, or the importance of love. They LIE and tell a son to UNKNOWINGLY MURDER his lost father. The father that was Kenobi's "brother" but he left to die alone / be rebuilt by the Sith. Either you kill him yourself or you capture him & work to convert him (you know with the only people he has left to live for, his kids, vs have him believe he has NOTHING). Yoda tried to roll over and DIE FASTER instead of tell Luke the truth! They refused to truly believe Anakin would bring balance. They refused to believe even the Chosen One could fight back the darkness and return to the light. After the whole "you want the impossible" lifting the X-Wing from the swamp scene Yoda STILL doesn't believe. But Luke did. He refused to play the "he's too dangerous to be left alive" game & give into fear. He understood he wasn't just not giving into Sidious because "it was wrong". He did it for love. And that was enough. Anakin got the one thing he always needed, someone to not walk away when he failed & believe he could do the impossible they always claimed, but never supported, he would do.

[@PareliusC]

The bridge not being extended in A New Hope makes sense as a security measure to restrict the movements of Luke Leia, Han and Chewie making it easier to capture them

[@orphanedhanyou]

Plus it's not just a random hallway that's a bridge, it's in areas of the Death Star they have important equipment & clearly safety hazards. So if there is an issue with the door or someone got access that shouldn't, restricting access or not allowing certain controls to function are basic security.

[@iivin4233]

The door reads: "Only to be accessed when gravity is off or by qualified personnel, ISHA" Psh. Next you'll tell me the Imperials lock doors to restrict access. How laughable.

[@victorwagner2423]

I feel like the idea of Padme being okay with killing Tuscan Raiders is kinda misrepresented. Raiders kidnap innocent people all over the planet and work them to death in horrible conditions. Locals seem to accept a fact of life. It never rains and sometimes you get tortured to death by indigenous people. Now imagine your childhood friend, that you have some romantic feeling for, finds out that his mother was captured by those butchers. He drops everything, comes back 2 days later with a corpse, visible sign of torture all over. Corpse of one of the kindest people you've ever met. Who, in their right mind, then hears "I had to kill a bunch of them to get my mother out, but I was too late" and goes "uuhhhmmm, that's genocide, sweaty... you should educate yourself". So the question is really "Can Padme forgive her (boy)friend for going overboard while trying to save his mother from fate worse than death at the hands of horrible slavers?" All the while he is on the verge of tears over loosing control and the unfairness of it all. Remembering that Padme also took up arms to free her people. To convince me that Padme shouldn't be okay with the slaughter of innocent first you need to convince anyone that Tuscan Raiders are innocent.

[@Toshiro93]

I agree: rather than being turned on by Anakin, Padme is feeling pity for him in that moment.

[@logat1847]

How many people in the Star Wars universe see Tuscan raiders as “people” ?

[@TheHowlingEye]

The Balrog looks so good because it's just barely visible and never shown just hanging around in plain daylight like Yoda. He's also supposed to be a demon/spirit, so the viewer will already have a pre-contextualized idea why he moves so weird.

[@martyfromnebraska1045]

Yeah, good movies will film around technical limitations. That's an excellent point and another reason the prequels aren't good movies.

[@Toshiro93]

It's the Star Wars movie I've seen the least, in the hexalogy. And there are several reasons: the plot is essential to understand the sequel, but you always have the impression that there is some brake in expressing its full potential. The characters don't seem capable of putting 2+2 together when the information they are given is rather simple to put together: I'm just thinking about the convenience of discovering a secret army - apparently commissioned by a long-lost Jedi believed to be dead before the creation of said army - just when a conflict is about to break out and when Palpatine has appointed himself supreme leader with special powers. Already at this juncture, and before Dooku's revelations about Sidious to Obi Wan, the Jedi should have understood that it was better to eclipse themselves from the imminent chaos, or at least hinder Palpatine's career. Speaking of characterization, it's hard to understand how Anakin can go from being angry for losing his mother to being, essentially, a slightly more reckless version of Kenobi during the second part of the film...there's no glue between these two halves, they seem to belong to a schizophrenic character. Small note: but what kind of poor job must Kenobi have done in training Anakin, if in 10 years of apprenticeship he has become like this? And we're talking about a man, anagraphically, not a boy. I won't waste words on the technical department: sometimes the CGI is good, other times it seems fake (especially on the clones on Geonosis), the battle that triggers the conflict is surprisingly bland and the final fight between Dooku and Kenobi-Anakin is really too short. It is true that a master cannot be put in difficulty by a knight and his apprentice, but I would have preferred to show a Dooku who played like "cat and mouse", also because his character continues to seem rather senseless to me: you want the order to no longer be dominated by the hypocrisy you accuse it of, and yet you ally yourself with the worst enemy of your own order... and you continue to cloak yourself in nobility, when the resulting portrait of Dooku is rather chaotic, one moment he seems like a well-intentioned gentleman, the next moment he is a cartoon villain (and I am referring to the duel in Revenge of the Sith). Obviously, I leave out of the discussion any reference to the novelization of Revenge of the Sith (where he is presented as a sort of human supremacist). Lee gave a good interpretation, but I never found this role as iconic as his contemporary Saruman, even if I have a small note of appreciation, when the Neimodians escape from Geonosis, Dooku seems to roll his eyes, as if to say to himself "good heavens, how much patience I have to carry..." The only sector in which I cannot express complaints is the sound one: as usual, Williasm was able to make the characters speak better than the script, only Across the stars I think is one of his best melodies in his entire career as a composer.

[@iivin4233]

You're right. The story absolutely does not hold up. It is a case study in missed opportunities. For example--and, am I crazy for this? I have never heard anyone besides myself bring up the ethical side of breeding up a clone army of sentient humans. Shouldn't the human population of the galaxy look at that and be like, first, that's fucked up, second, you used *our* species' without our consent? Do you know what kind of reprisals this might cause? We're a minority on most planets in the galaxy. I don't think we want our species alone to be associated with masked invaders from an increasingly centralized central government. If the empire is to later become human-chauvinist (somehow), and if Palpatine is proposing reform, then wouldn't these kinds of issues be what radicalizes humans to his side--or against him if the truth gets out? It would explain the decommissioning of the clones, the erasure of the jedi, and give a reason for the empire to exist.

[@paranoidhawklet]

My uncle actually built Adi Gallia's lightsaber for Lucasfilm. His reward is that he was just given free movie tickets to Attack of the Clones over and over, which he as a polite guy never refused. After watching Attack of the Clones in theaters 20+ times, he believes its the worst movie he's ever seen.

[@orphanedhanyou]

He has seen very few movies & def didn't see the sequels.

[@lukescrew1981]

@@paranoidhawklet Than your uncle doesn't know shit

[@tommyblaze8871]

53:10 "...the only things we've gotten up until this point is a really awkwardly timed kiss and a picnic in a field where Anakin advocates for fascism." This cracked me up 🤣🤣

[@sigilyph_with_a_gun1184]

So what you're saying is that Nute Gunray wanted Padmé dead, but he didnt want to do it himself

[@Ayahuasca98]

Don’t let reddditors make you forget this movie was terrible

[@martyfromnebraska1045]

The entire comment section is people writing head canon reasons to justify what happens in the film. This happens with all pieces of bad media that people want to be good. They just fill in the blanks for the author.

[@harrambou9468]

@@martyfromnebraska1045 Well…much of what you see in the film does have a subtext or something to keep in mind that gives it a foundation that isn’t spoonfed to you. OF COURSE this is still the worst of the first 6 but it still has its layers and reasons for what it does. The problem is just the end result, not the whole recipe.

[@DirtbagLeftist9]

I’m a prequel baby. I’m 32 years old when those films came out I was 9 years old, attack of the clones is a fuking masterpiece compared to the last Jedi trust me.

[@Tirgo69]

I like The Last Jedi as its own thing

[@billjacobs521]

@@Tirgo69 Even on it's own, it's a dumb movie. Tonally confused, a villain with no explanation who just dies, the incredibly stupid chase scene, the pointless diversion to make socially commentary about rich people, bizarre character decisions, etc.

[@DirtbagLeftist9]

@ as a standalone film it’s good but as a trilogy it’s awful bro I can’t lie

[@harrambou9468]

Oh yeah, definitely. I hope Sheev can see that even if he doesn’t like it considering how flawed AoTC is being the final product it is.

[@harrambou9468]

@@DirtbagLeftist9 I used to think that too. Unfortunately it turns out that even on its own it makes no sense

[@jacobj869]

I have some thoughts on Yoda. I agree with you re criticisms of Yoda’s character in the prequels. I don’t really understand why people think being old would make a being immune from making mistakes. Wisdom isn’t a video game metric, where once you achieve it, you maintain a peak “wisdom level” for the rest of your life. Old people make mistakes, and old dogs can learn new tricks. Americans should be able to understand this - our Congress is filled with old fools who can’t see beyond the ends of their noses. If were to bite them in the ass as hard as it did Yoda in the prequels, they would perhaps come out of the experience as wise as him in ESB. I think that Yoda’s age makes sense as it is, however. Yoda is a being young enough that he may have *just* known some of the individuals who had experienced the cataclysm of the last sith war firsthand. At the same time, he’s so old that none of the people around him are able to conceive of the horrors that struggle must have unleashed. I think this ~limbo~ in experience has made Yoda’s character age even better irl as time has gone on. It has been nearly 100 years since the last great power conflict on earth. Most of the people who actually experienced it are now dead. At this point even those who knew these people personally are retiring or dying. Our current leaders are old enough to just about remember the stories of their parents/grandparents, and how experiencing a world at war personally affected them, but they don’t have a full grasp on the events that truly experiencing them would. They understand theoretically what goes on in a great power conflict, but they don’t really understand the costs and horrors associated with it, and thus behave or lead in ways someone who had perhaps would not. Yoda is kind of like this. He’s old enough to intellectually fathom that galactic war is undesirable, and that peace needs to be preserved, but, despite his great age, he still doesn’t have the experience to truly understand why. For this reason, I think prequel Yoda is becoming a more and more potent parable for our current leadership, and a reminder that many of our problems are explainable as those lessons which were learned in the past that will repeat because they weren’t internalized in a way that transcends generations. I think that’s something worth pondering.

[@iivin4233]

Sheev's point is absolutely bizzare. 1:22:00 "I don't know what to tell you. He just does." Did that strike you as odd? It's not really hubris for Yoda to fight when he has to do. In a better written story, I would have expected the jedi that actually did have negative character traits to have sidelined Yoda politically. General Yoda is bizzare. It is, at least, a subversion that needed exploration and justification. How many wars did it take for Yoda to realize that wars don't make someone great? To most kids in the audience, that idea comes as a revelation. But should it be news to Yoda at this point?

[@Johnbillyfrank]

Every December 24th I celebrate a Merry Christmas Sheev.

[@hk1371]

Merry Sheevmas

[@MattBuckeyeGuy]

Its sheevmas

[@reneastorgaterre1954]

On hindsight, the change from Obi-Wan on how he trains Anakin and Luke is more appreciated from a narrative stand point, since Obi-Wan went from being a Padawan straight to a Jedi with a student of his own, he'd try as hard as he can to live to up to Qui-Gon's dying whish to train Anakin, due to sheer inexperienced becoming a harsher teacher, and after Anakin's fall of grace, to which Obi-Wan takes resposibility (I have failed you Anakin, I have failed you), 19 years later when he takes upon himself to train Luke (even for what little time he did), he aproches him in a more warmer matter, even showing more emotion to and even joy to Luke when he makes progress in his training.

[@ecashman]

I never noticed that Jar Jar said "dellow felegates" before now, and I'm absolutely losing my shit at just how funny and sad his existence (and consequentiality) to the Star Wars canon is

[@dragonslair951167]

For what it's worth, a movie can get away with a LOT of logical inconsistencies if it still tells an emotionally resonant story. The classic example is the Death Star being conveniently built with a fatal design flaw that allows a handful of fighters to completely obliterate it. Yeah, they later made it so the architect included that flaw intentionally, but the exhaust port was little more than a plot convenience at the time of A New Hope. It would never be explained until years later how the Death Star's designers, presumably educated at the finest military engineering schools in the galaxy, could have gotten it so horribly wrong that 30 rebel starfighters were able to destroy a space station the size of a small moon. But A New Hope was still an excellent movie, I think we'd all agree.

[@somethingfunny2199]

I never clicked on a notification faster

[@The_shady_puffer]

I hope this is geniune

[@somethingfunny2199]

@ Of course! I wouldn’t have been the third person to like this video if I wasn’t.

[@JonCrs10]

Isn't most of the weirdness involving the assassin chase a holdover from the fact this is inspired by adventure serials where "the protagonist just happens to know a guy who knows really esoteric trivia and that helps solve the mystery that otherwise was legitimately unsolvable if the protagonist's contact didnt exist" was a common trope. A lot of the weirdness in Star Wars, especially the prequels, is usually just Pulp Tropes George Liked because this is his homage to the genre. Same with the goofiness of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, nuking the fridge is just as absurd as falling out of the plane in Temple of Doom but NOT dying because inflatable raft. This stuff is pulp adventure serial bread and butter. Might as well complain that Q never gives Bond gadgets that dont help in the slightest because "gee, isnt it convenient how Q just happened to know this exact scenario would happen and so this particular gadget would be the perfect solution." Same thing. No I'm not saying its good, I'm saying why its a deliberate artistic choice as part of homage to an older style. And thats a completely different criteria because I'm sure people into their old adventure serials can show plenty of times this writing was done poorly in the context of the wider genre.

[@ejn8982]

It’s also just not a bad plan in the first place. The only reason it failed is because the Jedi sensed the worms, something Zam and Jango obviously wouldn’t account for. Also, Jango outsourcing to another assassin is actually a good way to cover his traces.

[@matthewoshea7224]

A subtitle for this video should also be: “The Sifo-Diyas Paradox”

[@Tirgo69]

Small note here, but Lucas' commentary for the film implies that Dooku trying to convince Obi Wan to join him was completely genuine on Dooku's part since Sith chronically backstab each other.

[@elgaith7626]

Which makes one wonder why they take apprentices all the damn time at all!

[@mishaf19]

I don’t think the clone war lasting 3 years is NECESSARILY bad. The movies handle it terribly with so little time spent on it, but WW1 lasted 4 years and is a legendary conflict that had it not been for ww2 would’ve gotten down as THE war in the worlds psyche, so it’s not unbelievable.

[@leaffinite2001]

Its bcuz it was always (and still is) referred to as the clone warS with an S. It brings to mind something like both world wars or a variety of other paired or grouped historical conflicts, of which there are very few examples that span such a short time

[@kingt0295]

Commenting on the Dexter Jexter serenade at the end to show I watched the whole thing 😭😭

[@donovan4222]

I understand it now

[@paulbutkovich6103]

As mentioned elsewhere, I think the sole weakness in this analysis (and in most analysis I find of the prequels, actually) is the idea that Palpatine wanted things to go the way they went in Episodes 1 and 2. He actually expends a decent amount of effort to make sure things don't happen the way they end up happening. In Episode 1 he wants Padme to sign the treaty, that's why he has the Trade Federation invade and sends Maul after them to Tatooine to get her back. Once she arrives on Coruscant he immediately tries to pigeonhole her into a vote of no confidence as a back up plan to try to salvage something out of his efforts. He then tries to get her killed when she returns to Naboo by sending Maul after her, by now he is the frontrunner to become Chancellor and does not need her anymore. I do not think that Palpatine intended for the war to start the way it does either. The Banking Clan and Techno Union army only agree to sign the treaty days before the war begins and Nute Gunray still hasn't agreed to join (which presumably is why the Federation is allowed to be neutral in the Clone Wars, Gunray never committed to the Separatists in writing). Jango does everything in his power to escape Obi-Wan and Palpatine could not have predicted that Obi-Wan would make it to Genosis or that he'd be captured or that Anakin would happen to be in the right place at the right time to transmit Obi-Wan's message to Coruscant. I do think that Palpatine gave his blessing to Dooku assigning Jango to kill Padme and that he manipulated the Council to bring Anakin and Padme together, but I think that that was the extent of his plans. Seizing emergency powers was him playing speedchess once both secret armies he intended to have fight were out in the open. In fact, I'm not convinced that he ever intended to turn the army over to the Jedi at all. The army was ordered for the Republic after all, not the Jedi. I suspect he intended to throw the Jedi at the Separatists, then once they failed he would reveal the clone army and move from there.

[@cjvoerman5591]

My biggest complaint with Episode 2 is…who the hell is Count Dookoo? He’s introduced here but doesn’t show up until 3/4 through the movie, then axed off within the first 15 minutes of Revenge of the Sith. It’s supposed to be some big reveal that the Shadowy figure leading the confederacy is Dookoo, but we don’t know him, and all the information is from what other characters say. I saw someone else’s fan rewrite that introduces Dookoo in Phantom Menace, where he presents his displeasure with the Republic and the Jedi (which also shows why Qui-Gonn is a maverick considering who his master was). Thus, when we hear about a confederacy forming from disgruntled Republican systems, it would make sense that they’d follow a jaded and disillusioned ex-Jedi.

[@billjacobs521]

True, that is a weak point. I feel Dooku in general was confused, like he was altered in rewrites and ended up a bit of a mess. One problem with the prequels in general, in my view, is that there are entire movies missing; a ton of stuff happens between each movie that we only get a few snippets of. I mean, how do you SKIP an entire war? And yeah, Dooku leaving the Jedi, forming the Separatist movement, the threats of war, fighting in the senate, Anakin's entire childhood, there's a ton of stuff here and it feels so weird not to have it. Yes, I know they made a crappy cartoon for the war, but the prequels really should have been like 5 movies.

[@Henskelion]

I remember even as a kid finding that strange, like his betrayal is revealed as though it's a twist.... even though we aren't even introduced to him as a character until almost half an hour after we're informed he's a traitor. Such baffling writing.

[@ogcipher4967]

My impression of Count Dooku always was that he didn't really buy in the entire SIth bs, he just went with it to fulfill his own goals so him telling Obi about Sidious makes sense, as Sidious being weakened or killed would have been in Dooku's advantage.

[@VoltaVoid]

Liking this movie online is a hard thing to do nowadays….

[@HahaDamn]

Th prequels are all good films, it’s insane that we let a bunch of raging 30-40 year old nerds that never matured in terms of their film taste beyond what they consumed as children decide what is and isn’t good filmmaking. Watch any of the RLM films, they are embarrassingly bad, unfunny, unscary, whatever tone they were trying to execute it was a complete failure. I don’t mind Mike and Jay listening to them talk shit, but they aren’t into film the way Lucas and his contemporaries were.

[@Lord_Rotom_of_Rotomsbourg]

was it ever easy?

[@CMReina]

It's way easier now, when I was a kid I'd only see nothing but hate for this movie and it made me feel bad because I couldn't see what was bad about this one, if anything it's gotten better now with the younger millennials and gen Zs growing up and having more earnest enjoyment for them, having the sequels as a cheap punching bag helps too.

[@joe_floyd]

GOOD. you should be exiled from society for unironically liking this mess.

[@lukescrew1981]

@@HahaDamn True

[@shadowslayer205]

I love that Lucas claimed the reason Zam didn't use her changeling powers properly was because of budget limitations at the time, and yet this is one of the few sections Mr. "I'll recut half my movie because I forgot to put a rock in one scene" didn't touch in the special editions.

[@JakeSkywalker-o7h]

Zam, being a professional bounty hunter, didn't use her changeling powers excessively in order to avoid being detected, prioritizing the discreet elimination of her target. It's in the movie, if you think about it for a second.

[@leaffinite2001]

​@@JakeSkywalker-o7h if you fantasize for a second more like

[@EPPicstuff]

18:16 Well, the entire movie is ABOUT deception. It's all about characters trying to hide from each other, trick each other. Padme uses stand-ins. Count Dooku's trying to kill her in secret. Anakin and Padme have to go on the run under disguises. An entire clone army was created in secret. Jango tries to hide the fact he's the bounty hunter Obi-Wan's looking for. Kamino, an ENTIRE PLANET was wiped from the Jedi archives! And of course Palpatine is deceiving the Republic and the Separatists into starting a war. There are many more examples of this theme permeating in this film if you look for it. Zam Wessel being a changeling is just another small externalization of that theme of deception. No, it doesn’t change the story that much, but it's better than if she didn't have the shape-shifting ability. Then she would just be Jango Fett 2.

[@MajorTomFisher]

Chekov's Gun refers to a principle in moviemaking that if you leave a gun on the wall in a scene, it should be fired by the end of the scene. This is just basic setup and payoff. Zam Wessel's shapeshifting ability is an example of a failure to apply Chekov's Gun: her ability only serves to advance the "theme" of the movie and doesn't hint at anything else relevant. It's just useless information distracting the viewer. (It's also bizarre she doesn't use the ability at all during the many times it would've been useful. Wouldn't tracking down a shapeshifter make for a more interesting mystery than just a character who has the ability to deceive but telegraphs her every move?) The fact that she would just be a Jango Fett 2 if this ability was cut shouldn't indicate to you that the ability is a good addition, it should indicate to you that she should have been cut from the film and her character replaced like Sheev suggested. The themes of a movie should _never_ overwrite the general principles of storytelling. Compelling characters, a cohesive plot, setup and payoff... these things are the foundation, support beams, walls, and roof of a movie. The theme is just the interior decoration. If the interior decorator decides to sacrifice a support beam in order to make more room, the roof is going to collapse. Similarly, if the movie's essential components are sacrificed in the name of the theme, then the theme will only be undermined by this loss.

[@ejn8982]

But Chekhov’s gun ISN’T a useful narrative principal, as Chekhov himself broke his own rule in The Cherry Orchard precisely in the name of THEMES. Zam’s species is world building. It‘s a cool and logical bit of lore that the assassin is a shapeshifter. Why is Han Solo’s copilot a Wookiee? Where was the pay off for when we were told he can rip people’s arms off in A New Hope?

[@EPPicstuff]

@@ejn8982 That lends to the argument that if you're having an inconsequential character anyways, you might as well try to spice them up and make them as surface level interesting as you can. It's not great storytelling, but it's interesting filmmaking. Like, Chewie is basically the team dog. He was inspired by his real life dog, Indiana. He fills his archetype of the the big loyal tough guy. Characterwise, in A New Hope at least, he has moments where he questions Han. Most notably, when Han tells Luke he's not helping with the Death Star Attack, Chewie whines a roar at him, to which he hallowly responds, "I know what I'm doing." In this moment he represents Han's self-doubt. But I don't think we should throw out Chekov's Gun outright. It's just another useful tool in the storyteller's toolkit. While Chewbacca doesn't rip anyone's arms off, the line establishes him as strong before he uses that strength in the death star against stormtroopers. It also adds an air of threat and menace around him, which by association bolsters the sense of danger Mos Eisley Cantina exudes as a whole.

[@ejn8982]

@@EPPicstuff Exactly. It just creates a sense of who the characters are, and specifically creates suspense in this scene in episode 2.

[@EPPicstuff]

@@MajorTomFisher (Nods in agreement)

[@megazman-y6j]

As a movie, Attack of the Clones is very flawed, but the in universe lore it added to the Star Wars franchise was priceless. Clone Wars era is the best Star Wars era, IMO. Edit: Keep this comment at 66 likes PLEASE! Whoever makes the 67th like is officially a traitor to the Republic. Edit 2: It’s Treason then! AHHHHHH!!!!!

[@ymck7246]

I really don't get the praise for the clone wars in general from the two movies, to the two tv shows. Deeply flawed, constantly reworked, incoherent plots that get lost even in the same media, characters that change from medium to medium, movie to movie and serie to serie... anything between Episode I and Episode III is just terribly incoherent and badly written. Specially anything related with Ashoka, Grievous and Ventress. And the force family. All of these characters who mattered so little, or literally did not exist in the movies, and do VERY important things in canon, who magically are forgotten or completely different in episode III. People literally only like it due to nostalgia. Anyone who looks at the OT and thinks The Clone Wars is even on the same level of conversation as that, is just lying to themselves. Specially the tv show. Literally the only Prequel material that is unskippable is PM and RotS. Thankfully anything relevant to the Clone Wars is partially explained in Episode III and tbh, if it isnt, its really not important.

[@mrzirak792]

"Clone Wars ERA"? You call a mere 3 years an ERA? Hell naw, thats the most overrated era, every comment like yours only helps to establish it

[@Jman92854]

@@mrzirak792 Who are you?

[@MarkoLomovic]

@@mrzirak792 You do not need long period of time to call something an era.

[@topace1038]

@@ymck7246I mean sure you could skip episode 2 and the clone wars but you would be doing a MASSIVE disservice to yourself since that is some of the best Star Wars material. Hell you could watch episode 6 first and spoil how the whole empire dies. Just cause you can does not mean you should.

[@mr.perhaps4734]

Thank you for blessing my long drive home

[@billjacobs521]

I'm not sure there's any reason Jango would think two Jedi would be able to sense poisonous bugs in Padme's room. You said it's well-known that Jedi can sense life, but...is it? In the first movie, the head of the Trade Federation, presumably a massive, galactic organization that deals with almost every part of the galaxy, seemed totally at a loss by Jedi--they were some mysterious, spooky thing to him. Jango isn't a bureaucrat but I'm still not sure he'd really have that much understanding of what Jedi are capable of besides knowing they use lightsabers. I also don't think it's that strange to try to quietly kill someone with killer insects, so long as you have reason to believe those bugs will, with a very high probability, seek out and bite any large animal in the room. Even if they don't, surely it wouldn't be the end of the world--he can just try something else. I also don't think it would make sense to station men all over the dang place if the whole point is to lure out an assassin, because that would scare off an assassin. However, I DO think there should have been SOMEONE or SOMETHING up there, so that if and when something happened, they could get eyes on whatever was going on. Hell, if anything, Jango should have been suspicious of the fact that a woman whose car was just bombed is acting like nothing is wrong and taking almost no precautions at all--he should be EXPECTING a trap at that point. It would have been smarter to set up some security but leave an opening in it, and then watch that opening. Oh, and hey, don't you love how the droid has a slot specifically to hold giant posion centipede containers? Why does it have that? Is that what banks use in this universe instead of the little tube systems?

[@deanjustdean7818]

Yoda using the lightsabre is not the problem (from my POV). The problem is that no thought has been given to how he will use it effectively. One minute we see him hobbling along on a cane, the next we see him swirling and spinning around like he is a twenty-something on speed. You cannot have it both ways. A more effective solution would be a new, heretofore unseen power that creates fields that can stop a lightsabre blade, "laser" blast, etc, and the use of the force to swing one or more lightsares around like puppets. People will say that this is contradicting the "knowledge and defense" thing, but Yoda is defending both himself and two wounded Jedi. As well as the Republic.

[@wephilips6651]

1:57 I was literally thinking yesterday about the boba fett story from tales from the bounty hunters and how much I loved that as an origin story and what how it ends in such a wistful melancholic ambiguous note…definitely worth a reread!

[@SixFootTurkey_]

39:28 whoa whoa, didn't George Lucas ask multiple people to direct the prequels? Didn't they all tell him that SW was his, and that he should direct?

[@clamdove3292]

honestly i think the padme/anakin stuff would've worked way better if they just... hadn't been separated for the past ten years. if they're already good friends and _then_ anakin starts flirting with her, it's more believable that padme wouldn't immediately tell him to gtfo. also i think the age difference thing would work better if the movie explicitly acknowledged it as a bad thing. it'd help feed the narrative that these two people genuinely should not be dating. hell, if padme and anakin were mutually creepy towards eachother itd make for a more believable romance as for the dialogue, i do agree that it's quite awkward, but other than moments where anakin totally gives me the creeps (which are unfortunately common but not as common as they're made out to be) i found it quite charming and felt that it suited the characters. the declaration of love in geonosis manages to feel romantic and warm while also maintaining the idea that them getting together is a bad thing: padme is only going for this bc she thinks they're about to die so it wont matter

[@JakeSkywalker-o7h]

Anakin and Padme's love is a beautiful story, a great theatrical Shakespearean tragedy in the spirit of Romeo and Juliet and Othello, where forbidden love is destined to end badly, leading to destruction, where consuming passion (when Anakin betrays his principles in an attempt to save Padme), jealousy (fueled by his suspicions of Obi-Wan) and fear of rejection (his anguish at the thought of losing Padme) consume the characters to their inevitable demise, in the logic of a great tragedy in a civilized era like Star Wars, especially given the ascetic principles of Jedi monks forced to repress their feelings.

[@acenewholland564]

I've discovered your channel with the clone wars double long videos. It was a pleasure hearing both good, but mostly bad points, while still enjoying the base material as what it is and I'm happy this continues, not because I like someone critisizing a movie to the opposite of internet's actual saying (since before the sequel, they were THE easy target for bad movies with transformers), but because your opinion is balanced, you say stuff that work, stuff that doesn't, without justifying with UE, but with the movies themselves alone, something we should all do, but also what you like and dislike. I know this may have sound dumb but I hope to see other videos, they are refreshing yet not arsh or anything, just fun and interesting. (also your critics sound sometimes like OT kenobi/yoda riddles haha)

[@TeeJayRivers]

It feels so cathartic to listen to someone pick apart that stupid droid factory scene. It's such a confusing, disorienting mess that only serves to bring characters from point A to point A.

[@ProstheticConscience]

Not sure where to put this one on the scale though. Picking which episode of prequels you would rather watch is like choosing which knife you wish to be stabbed with.

[@candy-ass4915]

So, I'd assume Revenge of the Sith would be a butter knife, harmlessly poking you in a comical way.

[@Mpiewizard]

I have definitely given myself a headache before trying to decipher how much of this story Palpatine orchestrates vs how much happens outside of his control.

[@doctorofskillz2932]

Especially schmee, she ended up being super critical to anakins fall, but was a complete coincidence.

[@keshonhend2047]

Deleted scenes can’t be canon. At all. Unless you want to believe that Shaak Ti was killed by Grievous on the Invisible Hand and then again by Anakin at the Jedi Temple.

[@Emerald_Raven08]

Somehow, shaak to returned

[@threeofakind9933]

@Emerald_Raven08 To be killed again in the Eu timeline on Felucia by Starkiller. But is she really truly gone?

[@yorkshire_tea_innit8097]

Here's the thing. Detective movies are always like this. There is always some bs Deus machina breadcrum leading the detective to the next clue. They never make sense when you think about it.

[@madgreensonunbound5801]

What really gives me the chuckles is just how very important Jar Jar Binks is to the overall story of the prequel trilogy. I mean, the finale of Episode 1 just doesn't happen without Jar Jar talking shit about how tough the gungans are, Without that, everyone would just be sitting around on Coruscant with their dicks in their hands wondering what they're gonna do next. I'm sure Palpatine could have gotten another patsy to propose emergency powers in episode 2, but Jar Jar was there in the clutch and had his back. They owe him a debt for carrying all that plot on his back.

[@Hondarama]

Slight correction at 1:09:45-1:09:50 That's not a "barrel thing" about to be filled with "molten lava" It's a crucible, about to be filled with some sort of molten metal. Good video btw :) Both this, and the Phantom Menace video.

[@HMMadsen]

1:06:31 - 1:06:46 I mean 3PO in the OT wouldn't remember that R2 tried to kill him given that he did get a memory wipe in Episode III

[@SheevTalks]

And?

[@HMMadsen]

​@@SheevTalks Given that you reply with "And?", I may very well have misunderstood what you meant with this section of the video. I just took the line, "I guess Threeps didn't get the memo though" as a somewhat jokish but still serious enough remark on how it doesn't make sense that 3PO would care so much about R2 and view him as a good friend in the OT when R2 tried to kill him in Episode II, even though 3PO in the OT wouldn't remember this event because of his memory wipe in Episode III. If the "I guess Threeps didn't get the memo though" line was solely meant as a joke with nothing else to it, then I apologise for the miss interpretation

[@charlesmartinez5869]

1:25:00 It's not that Yoda swinging a saber doesn't make sense, it's that it looks and feels silly. You can make Yoda act silly if you want, but I'd prefer if you didn't. As for the idea that Jedi would join the separatists for political reasons, that's interesting, but now I'd take it even further: Make Dooku -actually- just a political idealist, equally duped by Palpatine, or at least powerless to convince anyone that the Republic is compromised. Have the jedi order split near down the middle, adding to the tragedy, and mixing in more opportunities for Force user antagonists.

[@donovan4222]

@@charlesmartinez5869 A Jedi civil war orchestrated by Palpatine would of been super cool, and it would be even cooler for Dooku to be more of a tragic character that is correct about the republic but is duped by Palpatine. Sadly George decided to not really tell any story until the 3rd movie lmao

[@deadlineuniverse3189]

2:51 I hate how this sequence has a similar precedent in RL, where someone hired a guy to kill someone, who proceeds to hire a guy who then hires a guy that hires a guy that in turn hires a guy who got cold feet which in the end let to all of them getting caught by police and meet each other first time at trial. So basically the worlds weirdest game of telephone

[@LegendaryDorkKnight]

I don't think it's that egregious that Obi-Wan is hesitant to tell the Council about Anakin's attachment to Padme. If something like that is discovered and it becomes an insurmountable obstacle in Anakin's development as a jedi (which it does in a way, aided by various other factors) then Anakin might either lose his place as a Jedi or worse have exceptions made for him because of the prophecy.

[@Ashguy733]

Establishing Dooku in Episode 1 would have been a great idea tbh, even if it was just Dooku having a private meeting with Qui-Gon outside the Temple in the Coruscant Under-City with him voicing his concerns with the Council's decision regarding Anakin and the Senate regarding the Naboo crisis would have been interesting to see. Just seeing Neeson and Lee acting together in a scene would have been awesome.

[@orphanedhanyou]

That would be better as a prequel to the prequels.

[@donovan4222]

@@Ashguy733 yes and at least some kind of flash back or something showing he turned to the dark side/left the order. Dooku just randomly pops up and everything about him is vaguely explained in exposition dialogue so he kind of just feels like a random old man that was dropped into the movie.

[@TheInfiniteAmo]

I'm just gonna say it. I don't see the problem (conceptually) with the chain of hired hitmen and droids used to try and kill Padme, especially for a political assassination. Star Wars is a huge universe, and while the movies shrug off the question of how much anybody knows or how people stay in contact, it makes sense to me that a contract like Padme's would see some conspiracy. Everyone involved wants a degree of plausible deniability - except Zam, who Jango seems to be using as a fall guy. The biggest war profiteer in the galaxy hires the most notorious bounty hunter for a high-stakes political assassination with unlimited resources, so Jango cuts in a fall guy, keeps Dooku looped out and pockets the difference for his retirement fund. Even if Zam is a glorified courier delivering bombs and droids, that gives Jango plausible deniability. It makes sense, the movie just doesn't attempt to communicate any of the characters' logic leading up to it.

[@KarazolaX]

Ok, just a couple things, but: Complaining about the dart doesn't make much sense: A) He used the dart because it was silent. If he'd used a regular blaster the jedi could have immediately heard it, potentially deflected it, and also would have been more likely to figure out where he was standing. B) Kamino was an obscure planet. The only way Obi Wan found it was because he had a unique contact who knew it. 99/100 times, it would not have led back to Kamino. This planet was removed from the archives, by the way, though I doubt Jango even knows that. Either way, Kamino and their people are unknown to most of the galaxy. I seriously doubt Jango would be thinking about something like that. C) The only reason the changeling was going to rat out Jango was for her own safety. When Zam got darted, there was no reason for her to continue helping them. Not all people are like Anakin, she didn't seem to care about revenge in her final moments. Nevermind how, even if she did, she probably wasn't thinking straight. She was coming to terms with the fact that her life is expiring within the next 5 seconds. Just imagine if you were put in that situation, the rush of emotions to process and confusion would probably stunlock anyone, even seasoned bounty hunters. I think this movie is terrible but this is just some of the weakest knit-picking lol. The issue with this scene isn't that Jango made this mistake he shouldn't have made. The issue with the scene is how messy and convoluted this whole series of events even is. This whole opening plot was a really clunky way to reintroduce Padme into the story that doesn't ever pay off. It feels like George Lucas wanted to introduce some noir mystery elements into this movie, but they fit so poorly you can't even tell that's what he's doing. That's why there's the diner scene, that's why there's this mystery plot in this big city-scape. But it funnels into this clone war plot that doesn't feel gritty or grounded enough to fit into what they were trying to go for.

[@neilmcdougall4927]

The ring theory has a good explanation to why AOTC is the way it is. It says that ep2 is like ep5, yet in reverse (ie; 1st half-2nd half/2nd half-1st half) Looking at this i see it as big battle/traitorous intrigue as main themes, so ep2 traitorous intrigue (amongst republic)-big battle and ep5 big battle-traitorous intrigue (amongst rebels). The traitor in 5 is Lando and in 2 it's palps and Dooku. The Fetts are instrumental in both traitor plots. Padme is threatened in 2 to mess up Anakin, Han is threatened to mess up Luke in 5. Parental loss is used to test said heroes in 2 and 5 at mid points from their new masters (Sidious activating sith/Yoda activating Jedi) - differences being Anakin with the literal mother and Luke the dream like metaphorical father. Also note how the good guy/bad guy and bad guy/good guy flips between Palps and Lando. Also the themes of discovery is a strong them between goodies and baddies in both 2 and 5, whereas discovery is an active slowly uncovering plot point in AOTC and quickly glossed over in 5 (via probe droid confirming rebel activity). Lucas would then after 2 insert the Emperor scene having confirming to Vader that he has discovered Luke in additional ep 5 scene. The baddies discover the hidden planet rebel base (to 'ruin their day' whereas it's army who then have to 'escape' the planet of big battle) in 5, and in 2 the goodies discover the hidden (who will become the slowly baked baddies who 'arrive' to planet of big battle to 'save the day') army on a (discovered to have been) hidden planet base (water is melted snow also...). Obi wan watching Fett's departure in 2 is similar to Vader watching main heroes departure in 5. The clones will eventually become traitors to the Jedi, whilst palps will turn the senate making them think the Jedi are traitors to the newly formed senate. Come the finish, Vader will eventually become Sidious' traitor by redeeming loyalty back to the Jedi. By changing the plot means the 2 won't necessarily rhyme and flip the way they were intended to....

[@cubescihist6737]

I completely agree with you regarding the clone wars (the event). If you ignore all the multimedia material (the shows, the books, the video games) and focus only on the movies, this war is laughably underdeveloped for such a massively important event! The war begins at the very end of the second movie, and then it ends around the middle of the third one. We saw almost nothing of it! I almost wonder if George decided to rely specifically on the multimedia material to develop the war, which is why he didn’t do it in the movies.

[@JurassicRod]

I never understood why Attack of the Clones seems to be the least favorite of the prequels. I've always really enjoyed it. Episode 1 is the only one of the proper six Star Wars films I have a difficult time getting through.

[@Ididtherightthing]

Personally I think it’s because it has the worst dialogue and acting of the three (especially where Anakin is concerned) and relies the most heavily on cgi which was still pretty rough around the edges back then. All those factors make it the easiest target by far.

[@JurassicRod]

@@Ididtherightthing See even the ''I hate sand'' dialogue really works for me. I thought it was a great way to show Anakins resentment for his childhood and where he came from.

[@Ididtherightthing]

@@JurassicRod yeah that’s a pretty in character line for Anakin. I’m talking more about the romantic dialogue because almost all of that stuff sounds like it was written by a chatbot.

[@sblinder1978]

56:16 That man is Owen Lars, he was in the desert with my mom when she was researching tusken right before she died.

[@lukescrew1981]

Surely this is going to be a positive video like the previous one

[@ZayTh3God]

A surprise a surprise to be sure but a welcome one

[@lukescrew1981]

@Deity_devil That is yet to be seen

[@lukescrew1981]

Alright it wasn't as bad as his previous video

[@lukescrew1981]

You really need to play KOTOR especially the second game. I feel like you would either love it or hate it there's no in between

[@brooke9446]

I would be very interested to hear what Sheev has to say about those games, *especially* the second one.

[@lukescrew1981]

@brooke9446 I know right?

[@thatoneguy8146]

Did someone mention Kotor I love Kotor best writing in Star Wars

[@publichearing8536]

​@@thatoneguy8146Kotor 2: most pretentious writing in Star Wars

[@henryneubert7798]

​@@publichearing8536You're silly 😊

[@Jane_8319]

Thank you for bringing up Dukoo’s lack of presence. WHY isn’t he on the jedi council in the phantom menace?!

[@Spellweaver5]

I might be mistaken there, but I personally interpreted Dooku's speech as him not being truly loyal to Palpatine and trying to outplay him. Which is why Palpatine disposed of him so readily.

[@Cyberleader672]

16:25 To be fair there is a holographic flicker around her clothes in that scene. I don't think the implication is she is shapeshifting her clothes, it's that she shapeshifts and her clothes have a built in holographic disguise to match it

[@shinymk6562]

I think with reviewing the PT, people need to review both the in universe and meta reasons behind decisions. Let's take the worms for example. In universe, they allow for a quiet death that wouldn't be discovered till morning, by then the Bounty Hunters would be gone and basically untraceable besides possibly maybe finding out where they got the worms. (Even so they would either be traced back to a planet or maybe a black market seller. Given how we don't know the degrees of separation between where/how Jango got the worms, it can be seen as a flaw in the story as it doesn't justify itself, but it also could. More of a possible contrivance than a plot hole imo.) ---You said that Jango would know that there are two Jedi guarding her, but we have no reason to assume he would or wouldn't so I don't believe this is a fair assessment. Anakin even mentions how their sole role of guarding/protection here as opposed to an investigation is odd/beneath a Jedi, although given how he is a padawan it is unclear if this is 100% true and Obi is just dogmatically going with the council because it would be in character of him to do so, (even if the task is "overkill for a Jedi" as Anakin says) or if Anakin is just being personal and wants to justify a reason to catch the person responsible for trying to assassinate one of the few people Anakin has a close connection with. The Meta-reason is George wanted to reference the classic trope of using an insect, or even just animal such as a snake to kill an important main character in a film, such as James Bond. Now meta reasons are cool as they can give appreciation to things in movies, however they shouldn't clash with the in-universe story/logic. Once you know the whole picture, it is easier to asses a film imo because you can understand the reasons decisions were made, and then evaluate if they were good decisions or if they ended up hampering the film/plot by preventing something that would make more sense in universe. My personal assessment is that the assassination attempt is flawed and does have contradict Jango's reputation of a super skilled bounty hunter, (while I could see someone like Zam making this blunder, Jango was the one who supplied the worms,) there are reasons in universe why they would want a quiet death that would allow them to escape and law low for a while.)

[@orphanedhanyou]

Is the point to kill her (which wouldn't be a bad outcome either for Palpatine) or to get the Jedi involved? Does Palpatine need the Jedi to "discover" Dooku & that happens not by killing Padme but having the threat of her life appear to escalate. Also Jango had Zam do this job. He had HER perform blunder. Was that intentional by him or intentional in instructions by Dooku? Dooku wants to be found because 1) his master needs that to happen 2) he wants Obi-Wan as an apprentice (whether he thinks that is a likely outcome I doubt he did).

[@doctorofskillz2932]

Couldn't the droid have used a dart? Plus if the droid didn't pointlessly return to the changeling, then the jedi would have no leads on who killed padme, which is what nute and possibly dooku wanted

[@moistjohn]

I have objections to the problems with the padme assassination attempt. I personally think the entire attempt was actually sheevs way of getting the jedi to kamino, probably with the intention of anikan specifically going there and being impulsive about it. Satisfying gunray was secondary, sheev didn't care if she died, and him and jango set up zam to fail with the worms. Oh hey it just so happens padme came to coruscant at the same time as anikan and obi wan came back and it just so happens she needs security against assassins and just so happens the assassin needs to go back and leaves a trail leading to his personal army

[@dr.boring7022]

12:20 You know what I realized? Obiwan jumping out the window to catch the droid is the stupidest thing he's ever done in these movies. Once again, Jedi forget that they have powers. Just PULL THE DROID into the building with the force! Or atleast hold it there if you're worried it has a bomb. Better than JUMPING on it!

[@blackbirdboy]

"Molten lava" that's molten steel, bro lol

[@EPPicstuff]

19:17 Blasters are LOUD. Tiny darts are quiet. Also, characters making decisions or not thinking of decisions you would've made isn't bad writing. Jango is introduced in this movie, so his level of intelligence doesn’t contradict any pre-established instances of assumed higher intelligence from the character.

[@SheevTalks]

A) Blasters are loud, but they’re also quick. And the droid can self-destruct immediately so discretion is hardly the main priority here. Also you just mentioned darts, which would have worked just as well, so there you go. Alternative solution to the problem. B) Jango is meant to be characterized as an intelligent professional. Acting like his stupidity is an intended character trait is disingenuous-and it bleeds into the intellect of characters like Dooku and Palpatine that they would entrust a stupid person with important assignments. C) Not arguing that the writing is bad because they didn’t make the same decisions I would have. Don’t pull that card

[@EPPicstuff]

@SheevTalks A) Jango used a poison dart to kill Zam. I didn't propose that as an alternative solution, that's what Jango did in the movie. B) Jango is MEANT to be characterized as INTELLIGENT professional? I don't think this moment makes him a binary intelligent or stupid. He's a simple man trying to make his way in the universe. So he didn't realize his poison darts could track back to him while he was staying on a planet that the galaxy didn't realize even existed. That doesn't make him an idiot, and I don't doubt him as a professional. AND like you said, he's likely not aware of the larger plan made by Dooku and Palpatine. So this decision DOESN'T reflect on them. C) Your argument is all with the assumption that it's common knowledge among bounty hunters in the Star Wars universe that their weapon ammunition can be traced back to them. Like, in real life, would most people dig that deeply into where an assassins get their specialized bullets from? Not unless you're also an assassin or a detective in the loop, like Obi-wan turns out to be. D) From a writer's standpoint, coincidence does not always mean bad. What matters here isn't Jango's characterization, it's Obi-Wan's. What do we learn about Obi-Wan? We learn he's intelligent enough to realize he can trace the dart back to the assassin. We learn the kind of people he knows outside of the jedi order, Dexter Jettster. We learn he's relaxed and friendly to him, in contrast with how stoic he is with the order and how stern and sarcastic he is with Anakin. And at least it's Obi-Wan seeking out Dexter as part of his own investigation. Imagine if in the movie, before Obi-Wan and Anakin were even assigned to protect Padme, Dexter randomly holocalled up Obi-Wan and said, "Oh hi Kenobi! Long time no see! I just wanted to call and warn you, I heard this bounty hunter named Jango Fett bought all these poison darts, and I think he's going to try to kill senator Padme tonight!" That would be a coincidence that would actively hurt the plot and characterization, unlike how it is in the movie where it slowly progresses the plot and develops characterization.

[@orphanedhanyou]

Concur.

[@SheevTalks]

A) I think you’re getting confused about what point we’re talking about. Yes, Jango shoots Zam with a dart, but we’re referring to the attempt they’re making on Padmé-in which a quiet dart would be a GREAT alternative option to a blaster if discretion is really the order of the day (preferably, of course, one that DOESN’T have markings which can be used to trace back to Jango’s home base, but I have it on good authority that that’s a detail that professional bounty hunters are likely to not consider) B) Yes, Jango is MEANT to be characterized as an intelligent professional. If you’re trying to argue otherwise, I’m gonna stop you right there. As for whether this decision reflects negatively on his intellect, uh…yes? “The rest of the galaxy didn’t even know Kamino existed.” Yes they did. Literally the only place where Kamino was erased from the records was the Jedi Archives-which Jango obviously couldn’t have known about, so that simply shouldn’t factor into his decision-making. As for the last point you made in this section, about how he doesn’t know about the larger plan so this somehow absolves him…I’m not really sure how we reached that conclusion so I can’t exactly argue against it. Kind of a random leap to conclusion. C) In real life, professional hit men and other criminal types know that the weapons they use can be traced back to them if they’re not careful about where they get them and how they use them. (Scratching out serial numbers on firearms, customizing ammo, that sort of thing) The idea that bounty hunters in Star Wars somehow WOULDN’T account for something like that is absurd. D) You’re deciding arbitrarily which aspects of the story are “more important” to get right-which, even if I were to agree, doesn’t mean the other aspects don’t also matter and should therefore be criticized when they make mistakes. Jango’s characterization it’s important for a lot of different facets of this story and the incompetence he employs when serving as a threat to our heroes undermines the stakes. The contrivance that facilitates Obi-Wan finding out where the dart is from is still a contrivance, and that’s an issue…even if it “established” Obi-Wan has criminal connections (which you can easily do without resorting to plot contrivances, so let’s not pull the false dichotomy)

[@EPPicstuff]

@SheevTalks I don't think it's about discretion either. I'm presupposing the idea that Jango wasn't planning to kill Zam, even if he consider it as a precaution. So when he saw Zam was going to sell him out, in a split second decision he shot her and flew away. He shot a quiet dart instead of a loud blaster because it would give him just that much of a extra chance to get away faster. In all honesty, I don't think there's enough context in the scene to definitely to say my interpretation or your interpretation of the scene is the intended one, since Jango is shrouded in so much mystery. The Jedi don't know Kamino exists. Maybe Jango just didn't suspect a Jedi would have a contact with someone who would know Kamino existed. Jango doesn't need to be a meticulous planner for this story to function. Not every character needs to make the most logical decision, they just need their internal logic to be consistent. It's kind of like how unlike Batman the DCEU isn't depicted as anything above averagely intelligent. He wants to kill Superman, so he steals Kryptonite to make weapons to kill him. Not terribly gripping, but it makes sense. Is Batman automatically a better character when he's the super genius always thinks up contingency plan? I prefer it, but that's subjective. Jango Fett isn't stupid. That's all I'm trying to say. My objective isn't to prove that this plotpoint is great or very inspired. It's that the plotpoint isn't bad, it's serviceable, and it progresses the plot forward in a reasonably valid way. Btw, just to show I'm trying to play fair here, I agree with every other point you make in this video from your thoughts on the Anakin/Padme romance onward.

[@overtherenowaitthere]

plinkett's was fine, cosmonaut is one of the worst reviewers that the plinkett age spawned, just dry unironic the entire time while missing the most basic details.

[@donovan4222]

@@overtherenowaitthere Can you name something he was objectively wrong about?

[@Purified_Water_Enjoyer]

​@donovan4222 On the top of my head, probably his clone wars, he claims its peak top-tier star wars although never mentions any of the novels. His praise that the inhibitor chips saved the clones despite them being a plot hole that makes the clones worse. I would have to rewatch his videos over it He also claims things do not make sense in the prequels but they do make sense if you pay attention. Again I would have to watch a video of his again for specific examples .

[@Purified_Water_Enjoyer]

Also plinkett outright mischaracterized Lucas and the films, his arguments are very flawed or mischaracterized .

[@hermos3602]

That's funny because Cosmonaut takes things from what Plinkett says. Meaning that you should also say the Red Letter Media reviews were also terrible, which they were. Plinkett's Prequel reviews are poorly made and sounds like someone who isn't a Star Wars fan trying to criticize something he doesn't understand. And that's funny because he's a Star Trek Fan. When talks about Star Trek, he sounds like he knows about it. When he talks about Star Wars, he sounds like an idiot. I question how the Plinkett reviews on the Prequels were praised when in reality they were terrible.

[@MagnenoAlexWilkins]

​@@Purified_Water_Enjoyer hence why sheev is more based. Critiques but is fair

[@nocare3321]

I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. It's ironic he could save others from death, but not himself.

[@ShadowShroud7]

In defense of Luke in ROTJ, Star Wars sucks with its understanding of anger. Just like how the jedi broad-strokes all close relationships (family; loved ones; etc) as attachments which will lead to the dark side; the star wars framework of anger always being bad and leading to the dark side logically means not falling to the dark side is impossible. Anger is inevitable and sometimes its a good thing. For instance, it's actually good to be angry about things that are unfair, wrong or evil. Sometimes enough anger rouses people into action to do something about the thing that's bad. Obviously, it's not good to be angry enough to beat your wife/husband or yell and hit your children. But that comes from a lack of emotional control and maturity. But one form or action out of anger is not automatically the same as another. One is obviously an example of righteous anger and the other is an example of malicious anger or as the greek's would call it wrath/ira. Luke in ROTJ had his soul on the line to try and save his father; the Rebellion was outside getting surrounded; and Han and Leia were outgunned by the 501st stormtroopers. On top of all of this, the Emperor is actively twisting and pushing Luke to the dark side while Vader tries to do the same despite Luke trying to reach out to his father and save him. Then Vader finds out Leia is luke's sister and threatens to turn her to the dark side. That's the last straw for Luke, he's righteously angry and that fury puts him on the offensive against Vader. He's no longer passively staying on the defense, he's taking initiative and driving back Vader until Vader's on his back. And even then, all he does is cut off Vader's arm to disarm him when he had a clear shot at hacking away at his chest or cutting off his head. Luke still had enough self-control to not just kill Vader outright in anger. As for the Emperor's "Your hate has made you powerful line." Remember that the Emperor is a liar and deceiver, he's trying to convince Luke that he's falling to the dark side like his father before him. He's trying to goad Luke into taking out his father and truly committing to the dark side. However, Luke sees his father's severed hand and that its mechanic like his own. He understands that's facing the same abyss his father face and chooses to step back away from it. Up to that point, Luke bluntly did nothing wrong and just like with Yoda in AOTC, Luke is fighting Vader not just for both of their souls but the fate of the entire galaxy currently under the tyranny of an evil empire ran by an evil cult of genocidal evil space wizards/sith lords. How exactly is Luke supposed to fight the sith? Politely and nicely ask Palpatine to stop being evil and building doomsday planet-killing super weapons? If you want a real example of a hero giving into his rage and just becoming an out and out monster, how about Lawrence of Arabia's "No prisoners!" scene where Lawrence and friends butcher hundreds of turkish soldiers who'd just gotten done raping and murdering a village of helpless people. No one questions that the turks didn't deserve it, but its still a scene showing how Lawrence is losing himself to his anger, his bloodlust and the overall rage of war. In Star Wars terms, there's another similar scene that's closer to your point on Luke in the game Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight. In that game, Kyle Katarn confronts one of the dark jedi who killed and horrifically butchered his father. The dark jedi is beaten and taunts Kyle about his father's suffering, in pure anger and grief Kyle strikes him down even though he was helpless and beaten. The dark jedi may have deserved to die, but Kyle knows that he took a step to the dark side and acted against the jedi way. That is when the main villain sees Kyle's vulnerability and offers him the chance to kill his girlfriend Jan to commit to the dark side. Canonically, Kyle refuses and commits to the light and later on, he defeats the main villain. Only this time, he refuses to just kill the man outright and gives him back his lightsaber, so when the villain lunges at Kyle instead of fleeing, Kyle takes him down without losing his morals or falling to the dark side. But I digress.