The Fall of Doctor Who

[@JayExci]

Hello everyone! I've made an "animated" parody of the show to accompany my review! Check it out here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKDEfnyvlKuKqaM

[@fallingheadphones]

Damn, how’d you know I’d come back to this video again after you uploaded the parody? Great video!

[@eloii]

Thoughts on series 13?

[@CroatianComplains]

amazing

[@Philiptanzer]

I agree with almost everything except your interpretation of what the Doctor would feel being told he wasn't a Time Lord (or her being a Time Lady in the moment in question). You're right to say he was never rose tinted in his view but he still always declared himself as a Time Lord, Defender of Gallifrey, Keeper of the Legacy of Rassilon etc. it very clearly meant something to him (you could do a super cut of every single Doctor declaring himself a Time Lord in one way or another and it would last a long time). In the same way I may roll my eyes at whatever the British government had done in the past or currently that I dislike I don't stop having a deep pride for being British (and I don't announce myself as British half as much as the Doctor announces himself a Time Lord). I also quite liked the not quite canon but sort of maybe hinted at triumvirate of Rassilon, Omega and "the Other" *cough* who could it be (Sylvester McCoy liked the more powerful idea and you see that echo'd in Tennent's more "I have the right to do what I want" moments - again hinting he is very much a Time Lord). But I loved all the other minutes of the 5hr extravaganza and very much enjoyed the animated step by step example of how to burn money the BBC seems to enjoy these days (certainly entertained me more than any episode produced in recent years).

[@cameronclark9070]

amazing parody

[@thedidster123]

My Favourite trend in this era was that Graham being a bus driver comes up more times and is more useful to the group than Yaz being a literal police officer

[@facundotorres175]

"Millenial arent useful "

[@KyleKoala3]

Wow, you are right

[@jonathankozenko]

Honestly, I think the FIRST time him being a bus driver helped out marked it being more helpful, as I literally cannot think of a single situation (literally not ONE) where Yaz being a cop helped the situation. Like they didn't even cuff an unconscious villain or anything at the end of an episode, which could have worked... (......and right after typing that I just realized that River's cuffs, possibly used for x-rated purposes, were used more during legitimate story moments than those that would have been issued to Yaz for actual police work..!)

[@SStupendous]

38:23 instantly got a discord ping lol

[@Klaaism]

@@jonathankozenko Which is weird cause cuffing is a legitimate precaution to take, especially when one is trying to determine if a person is even a threat. Let alone when said person IS a threat.

[@tau2213]

I knew basically nothing about the Doctor 5 hours ago. I am now quite irritated by how they massacred my boy.

[@SgtKOnyx]

They killed him

[@ribby9069]

I really recommend the Russel T Davies era

[@ShadowRulah]

Seriously. I never watched the show but having the protagonist of a series out someone as a minority to the villains of the second world war with a one liner is beyond ridiculous. I cannot make a joke about ruining a character that is more absurd than what they actually did.

[@davidtucker9498]

Did you just assume the Doctor's gender?!?!

[@pyrodontcutoffsoldiershand2746]

Tourist

[@earlofdoncaster5018]

Pro Tip: When teaching someone to ride a bike, don't do so on the side of a mountain. Car parks or playgrounds are good.

[@tonyhakston536]

>Pro Tip >Pro W-What happened?

[@AC3handle]

I was given a bike, and a hilly driveway to learn on. Mom went in and gabbed with her friend. Old man was working. learned the hard way. I can see now why practicing on a hill might have advantages. Like... not as badly scrapy scrapy when you crash down.

[@corenlavolpe6143]

@@AC3handle I have a similar story. Back in Junior Year of highschool I was riding my bike back home and I had to go to through this road that was downhill. While riding down it I lost my balance and got absolutely wrecked, and I think it caused the nerves in my legs to hurt really bad when I walk wrong. The timing lines up but I never went to the doctors.

[@DovahFett]

​@@corenlavolpe6143 I learned to ride a bike at a friends house. The house was on top of a hill and had a really long straight road leading from its driveway to a main road. The road was bordered on both sides by barbed wire fencing, as my friend's family were farmers and owned some livestock. One time I decided to take one of their bikes to the top of the hill and ride down it. Seconds into the run I decided that I was accelerating far too quickly and pressed the brakes. That's when I realized that the bike didn't have any functional brakes and that I was running out of road before I hit traffic. To get off the bike before that happened I decided to throw myself off and to the side of the road. This of course meant that I was also throwing myself right into a barbed wire fence at high speeds. The barbs split open my arms and left me with scars that I still have 13 years later. Looking back, I was lucky that I didn't hit the fence face-first, and I don't even remember being in that much pain immediately after the accident. I think the adrenaline rush must have kept it suppressed for a few minutes. Consequently, I no longer ride other people's bikes.

[@alexwood3459]

Hills are actually a good idea- but yeah, maybe not with literal cliffs around. Grass is way better than a carpark though. I learnt to ride a bike on a grassy hill in the park, however it was filled with trees (and had a lake at the bottom)- luckily I didn't break anything but bailing was never fun. Would've preferred that bare mountain.

[@cutekitten4395]

I also just love the subtle sexism that comes with changing a character from male to female and then the female version has no confidence in themselves, is nervous at things the character is used to dealing with, has wack surface level morals and seemingly more erratically and emotion driven behaviour, and worst of all is uncompassionate which is stereotypically a trait associated more with women. Just to be clear I don't think it was intentionally sexist, but I think Chibnall's perception of how a female doctor should be different from a male doctor might have contributed

[@sirkiz1181]

Great example. He definitely thought “what would a woman do here” and not “what would the doctor do here” and it’s evident

[@Buffaloguy1991]

it doesn't help that her TARDIS is extremely phallic, her screwdriver looks the most like a sex toy I've ever seen and the first thing she does is crash her vehicle

[@nah-dx3wc]

Lack of compassion is typically associated with women? I dont recall that being a thing

[@cutekitten4395]

@@sirkiz1181 yeah, for example he probably said women love shopping so a woman doctor would like an intergalactic mega-corporation about shopping right?

[@dirrdevil]

I agree with everything you said except I think being uncompassionate is a stereotype of men.

[@fallingforfiction8507]

The funniest thing about the Doctor telling Yas that the police won't believe her about the alien attack is...London literally gets attacked by aliens every other week in that show

[@Alex-he5pj]

If London isn't getting attacked by aliens, its probably because aliens have already taken over

[@Xtoff]

And London is a nightmare hellscape of CCTV cameras EVERYWHERE. There’s easily 90+ cameras that saw what happened.

[@johnhenry4844]

@@Xtoff You must have lived a pathetically sheltered life if you think LONDON is a bad place to live 😂, see more of the world dummy

[@ddm2416]

@@johnhenry4844 i dont think saying London has a lot of cctv cameras means its a bad place to live

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@johnhenry4844 Call me Overanalytic, but... is it all Coincidence? All the hyper-massive-overload-Trash-Quality we get? 'The Last Airbender' was just a total Failure that 'happened', so its to be assumed this very, very, very rarely just happens in the Film Industry. BUT then 2019 and later Years found a massive Increase of this. All these beyond-arrogant Creators create beyond-trashy Content... Mulan 2020, Artemist Fowl, and this and that and this-that... Pokemon, which is big enough, but Star Trek is even older and Doctor Who is EVEN OLDER! All this and more: Countless big Franchises are Burning. They are burning alive and i wonder if this is not literally the obvious Sign for Social Problems und Social Scars going throughout all Industrys. I almost wonder... is the Quality-Standart of this Planet going down?!? Odd Question maybe, but whats going on with Earth?

[@Lenny-ue8hk]

I can’t believe they cast B I G O N I O N as the 14th Doctor

[@appointmenteer]

Tooth Boi and BIG ONION, directed by Chris Chibnail, coming to AAAAAAAA fall 2022

[@qorso]

the bbc is a bunch of sjw cucks. everyone knows b i g o n i o n s cant be doctors. damn libtards ruining the show with B I G O N I O N propoganda.

[@Jane-oz7pp]

@@qorso peak 21st century is not immediately knowing if this is satire

[@here1359]

@@Jane-oz7pp that facts scares me slightly

[@kasterborous1701]

B I G O N I O N is a pre-Hartnell Doctor.

[@lixix1337]

Damn Jay's really stretching to reach that 10 minute mark, huh

[@nicholaskojku6573]

AHAHAHAHAHAHA, Nice.

[@Abdullah_the_slave_of_Allah]

Haha Nice 🤖

[@backalleycqc4790]

🤣🤣🤣 Yes, to get that extra ad revenue... lol

[@KudosK42]

Its actually 8 minutes not 10 now. After like 2019 I think

[@teddabear8890]

Pretty sure he was going for the 10 hour mark lol

[@Cycle1X]

As an American, "Rosa" really annoyed me, honestly. Both for the reasons you mentioned but also because the story of Rosa Parks it tells is just blatantly untrue. It acts as if "if Rosa isn't forced to get up civil rights won't happen", when in reality she was part of a coordinated attempt at civil disobedience. If she hadn't been forced to stand, the bus boycott still would have happened, she was just chosen to be the face of it because of her clean record. The episode has this whole message of "tiny things build up to bigger consequences" (which directly contradicts the Doctor's feelings on the butterfly effect) and needs this story to tell that, when a more effective & honest telling of the story would have been regarding the inevitability of change when people are oppressed. Like I get it, even American children are taught a version of the story like this, but that doesn't change the fact that it's wrong.

[@marcwilliams9824]

True. You might be the first American I've interacted with who's even heard of Claudette Colvin.

[@nancykraus5127]

Yes❤ someone else that knows about Claudette!!

[@AxolotlInMC]

Reinventing history or ignoring parts of it to support a current ideology is a common human practise.

[@blueberryiswar]

@@AxolotlInMC it mostly is just whitewashing how bad the whites in the US were. Its a bit like everyone now "respects" Luther, even the politicians that are clearly racist... and the ignoring of Luthers message that the root of the problem is capitalism.

[@tyler-df3wy]

Yeah Rosa had literally been helping ED Nixon to try and find someone to be the face of the desegregation movement for ages before her arrest. The two of them actually met Claudette Colvin to try and escalate her arrest to federal courts, and she’d been thrown off a bus by the same driver who called the cops a few years beforehand; she was *deeply* involved in desegregation efforts Acting like she only stayed sat down because the bus happened to be full that day is the sort of narrative that people use to make civil rights activists seem passive and opportunistic when they were genuinely radical and super politically active

[@Joe-qe4lq]

You do have to cry a little at the fact 12s last words were reminding the next version of them of the basics “never be cruel or cowardly” “always try to be nice but never fail to be kind” and then 13 just kind of does the opposite most of the time

[@casualpequod6054]

Stop. You are making me cry T-T

[@Chippaization]

weird from what i remember watching 12 kinda let people die right and left without a care...which i kinda felt that 11 was doing

[@bradDark6941]

@@Chippaization hmm I think the Doctor only cares about their enemies dying if they are retreating. I think after the countless losses due to the time war I think the doctor abandoned the "do I have the right" thing a while back

[@caiquemarlon5579]

I mean, almost every Doctor (in the reboot era) were cruel or failed to be kind at some point, they aren't perfect, that's the point

[@Chippaization]

@@bradDark6941 I think the newer and newer the become the less that's an issues and it's more about being 'quirky' although I lost interest in the series I'm not sure if they even made peace on the time wars and other stuff.

[@fork3810]

“You must leave or we’ll have to stand over your corpses.” Imma use that one next time I gotta get people out of a burning building. It’ll make it clear that I have good intentions

[@vexced8753]

Works best if no one knows the building is on fire

[@CheeseWedge056]

Yeah, it's best if you are known for your past as an arsonist, even though a week ago you became a firefighter

[@Ego_death19]

just say, "I HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS"

[@left4twenty]

The terminator shows up in terminator 2: "Stand there if you want to die" Character turns tail, right into the new model terminator

[@magiv4205]

I mean TO BE FAIR, somebody telling me to leave or they'll stand over my corpse would definitely prompt me to start running. Goal achieved.

[@guitarfrog3674]

Me: Oh I don’t have time to watch a film Also me: *spends 5 hours watching a doctor who deconstruction*

[@jero37]

I'm sometimes watching, sometimes listening to it like a podcast.

[@vice166]

same

[@zofiar4753]

SAME

[@Katyamuffin]

Same Although not quite fair, with a movie you have to pay full attention to it the whole time, with a video like this I can have it in the background while playing Minecraft or something, or at work

[@afish1659]

Me: 4 hours?? That’s it, I’m never watching the Snyder cut. Also me: Let’s watch a 5 hour video essay about a show I never watched except for the one episode that gave me nightmares!

[@alisaurus4224]

The worst part of the Timeless Child thing is that it DOESN’T EXPLAIN where she came from. She wasn’t created by experimenting or selective breeding or even magic, she was FOUND as an existing person (who should’ve been old enough to say how she got there, who her parents are etc) who already could regenerate. Is she the only one or just a member of a species with that trait? Who knows? Not us! And probably not Chibnall.

[@JhadeSagrav]

"Let me explain everything by not explaining anything at all!!" The worst part is that it COULD have worked (not the "timeless child" crap, but introducing half a mystery) if the Doctor then turned around and said, "Wait! I must now embark on a quest to FIND MY PEOPLE!" or some nonsense, but she just "🤷 Meh! I'll focus on obsessing over my previous lives for like 5 min then forget it all next season."

[@RealCoolstriker64]

@@JhadeSagrav The Timeless Child works so much better if you pretend that the master is just fucking with the doctor, and what *actually* happened is that the first doctor learned the truth about the timless child, grabbed his granddaughter, stole a TARDIS, and ran. It even plays into what the first doctor said about why he travels in the last episode before the chibnal era.

[@almightyk11]

Here's an idea that could have made it work. Remember when the doctor rebuilt the universe with the pandorica? They should have implied that subconsciously the doctor rebuilt it wrong. Have small things now and then that don't match up with the doctors memories. Then when we find out about black lady doctor, we as an audience realise it's something from the doctors past that changed this time. Eventually the timeless child reveal is the doctors desire to make the other time lords more like him. This version of history played out because of the doctor rebuilding it, and it explains why the baby appears through a breach.

[@LimblessAnt]

​@@almightyk11you should apply to be a writer, that both sounds interesting and could probably last a season as a concept

[@almightyk11]

@@LimblessAnt I really do want to but I don't know anyone in the industry and I am only good at patch writing. Not so good at full scripts and stories which makes it hard to apply. It's nice to hear though, I do these sorts of changes for a lot of things XD

[@matthewadamlock]

Next time I want to get out of a conversation, "CHARACTER TIME IS OVER NOW, TIME FOR PLOT"

[@TheGuavaLord]

“LIKE CLOCKWORK IN A CHIBNALL STORY”

[@ms_rifle_spiral]

"Oh hey Janice, I had no idea you were having a baby, when's it due?" "Oh I'm not pregnant I just put on some weight" "CHARACTER TIME IS OVER, TIME FOR PLOT" "Jesus Frank, not again" "SORRY JANICE, BUT I'M BEING WRITTEN BY CHRIS CHIBNAL"

[@DoctorWhom]

Time to get back to the plot!

[@Katyamuffin]

Yell that, then awkwardly shuffle backwards out of the room

[@patrickleonard1114]

As someone with dyspraxia, I can confirm we are all secretly experts with alien guns

[@birb125]

I've always wondered... As a person with dyspraxia, do you often go tomb raiding on desolate alien planets with a person who has a doctorate, a police officer that accused you of illegally transporting vegetables, and your father-in-law who abused you over your dyspraxia but everyone around you tells you thats just love? Oh yeah, and for some reason you've never heard of Rosa Parks. Is this all common for someone with dyspraxia?

[@patrickleonard1114]

@@birb125 Indeed it is. I also don't have a personality.

[@birb125]

@@patrickleonard1114 ah, so the dyspraxia is cause by being living cardboard

[@patrickleonard1114]

@@birb125 Exactly!

[@misssupercookie2011]

shhh! we weren't meant to tell people that!

[@nottiification]

Chibnall: "I'm going to reinvent the doctor as a woman, so i can make her into a strong female lead" And then proceeds to write the weakest most childish doctor imaginable. I'm starting to think that Chibnall doesnt actually have much respect for women.

[@spunkush]

Whaaa, but hes a male feminist?!?

[@Hoganply]

@@spunkush What a curveball.

[@peedfarded]

And with the Timeless Children she has become the blandest Mary Sue to date.

[@scusachannel1682]

Something about thinking of a man but removing all sense of responsibility

[@ieuanhunt552]

I don't think it has anything to do with women. He's just a hack

[@98Clank98]

man its a minor nitpick but Ryan saying Grace was "the greatest woman i ever met" is so weird when you think about it. like, he's talking about the woman who raised him… wouldn't it be more natural to say she was "the greatest woman i ever knew"? again this is pedantic but i love how even the season's very first reveal/twist is awkwardly forced

[@queen_simp3273]

Thank you for this. I couldn't quite figure out why the reveal felt off. Like I had this feeling that it was but I couldn't specifically identify the problem

[@stitchthelilo]

now that you point it out i agree, i didn’t even realise before but despite it being a small thing.. idgaf i’ll be nitpicky all i like! it does really feel weird tbh

[@Nixahma]

The thing is, saying "the greatest woman I ever knew" wouldn't even make it obvious it's not about the doctor.

[@s.tar.lin.g]

@@Nixahma yeah that's the point, they had to try and twist his wording into something that would make sense for the doctor, which ultimately did not make sense once the actual twist is revealed that he's not talking about her

[@GreetingsInferiors]

Imagine if the premiere is just jay going “it’s coming soon I swear”

[@TheWhoniversalMan]

Came here to express this same fear! ;)

[@Vashthestampede967]

Don't give him any ideas.

[@birb125]

For 5 hours, he sits in front of his camera for 5 hours saying "I'll have it out later"

[@internetduck1520]

she liked it, that means it's true

[@Karzanius]

That'd be nasty 🤣🤣

[@aidanproko]

The fact that this era was so bad that Russel T. Davies is returning as showrunner is the biggest blessing in disguise in history

[@thrownstair]

“Rustyyy, we broke the show, can you fix iiiit, pleeeeeeease?”

[@PeterCamberwick]

I wouldn't celebrate too soon. How is he going to repair what's been done? He can't really go against Chibnalls decisions can he, and by now he's probably just as deep in to the wokery as anyone else at the BBC these days.

[@tgiacin435]

@@PeterCamberwick don’t forget, Atlantis was destroyed three times, three separate occasions with two different doctors and none of them are compatible with each other. Also Davies did screw up his fair of the continuity, but as far as DW is concerned, canon is always in flux

[@traxor2135]

@@PeterCamberwick as long as it's good, the show being "woke" isn't an issue

[@vanle2165]

(The rise of doctor who) sound pretty cool

[@kingbreadstic6068]

it’s crazy you didn’t mention characters trying to help someone with a coordination disability ride a bike next to a cliff

[@AC-jl7hb]

OMG lol 🤣

[@Dandidoodles]

No wonder his relationship with gramps was so . . . Rocky 🥁

[@chikenfartz]

@@Dandidoodles woulda been interesting if that episode ended...on a cliffhanger

[@7OwlsWithALaptop]

@@chikenfartz I mean it did.

[@Scandal262]

"Ride or Die" but real

[@jacobbesler3214]

The way the 13th Doctor fails to respond to Gallifrey's destruction is beyond insulting. This is an event which previously had the Doctor screaming a vengeful rant so vicious that the last member of a species built from the cells up to be "the ultimate in racial cleansing" said he'd be a good Dalek. Setting aside everything we're told she's doing off-screen, this Doctor was more visibly upset at the prospect of her latest batch of companions leaving for good than the destruction of her entire home world.

[@robotx9285]

The 9th and 10th Doctor's went through hell having to process that. And even thought the 11th and 12th seem to come to terms with the time war it still deeply affects them....

[@electrolyteraccoon214]

And even further, the Doctor spent 13 of their lives working towards a plan to save Gallifrey from destruction. And then when the Master completely undoes all of that off screen (and arguably desecrates the Time Lords with the Cyber Masters), she barely has a reaction.

[@christiegreenwood2642]

@@electrolyteraccoon214 I pretend like that was just a version from a parallel universe.

[@peytonb2247]

To be fair, bringing back Gallifrey at all wasn’t a good idea. And for what? A single story and no real consequences for the characterization?

[@gagedsm]

⁠​⁠@@peytonb2247Moffat, I think at least, did a lot of work to really bring Gallifrey back, and I think did a good job slowly bringing them back. As soon as they were back, we had one story on Gallifrey to end S9, and a mission to the Doctor from Gallifrey in S10. Gallifrey or timelords didn’t have to have a bunch of episodes in the new seasons, but doing nothing with it, then just killing them all AGAIN, RIGHT AFTER THEY JUST GOT BACK is absolutely stupid, and really bad writing. No matter your opinion on Gallifrey being back, it’s better to either try and expand on a post time war Gallifrey and how they’ve adjusted, or just not write a story about the Time Lords or Gallifrey, than it is to just kill them all off again, off screen, for only shock value, and adding NOTHING to the story outside of getting rid of a species that JUST GOT BACK? It is a complete waste of potential stories.

[@teethcoat4274]

That person who translated this entire fucking video into Korean, despite the fact that maybe 100 people at most will find it necessary, has my absolute and undivided respect. I may not understand any Korean, but I'll keep the subs on in your honour.

[@manjackson2772]

The fact that the only option for English subs is the google translation of the korean is amazing

[@sixstringedthing]

Not all heroes wear eccentric clothing and go gallivanting through time and space.

[@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond]

@@manjackson2772 at 1:49:25 the translation from Jay, to Korean, and then auto-translated back to english changed "get wrecked bitch" to "fuck you, grandma!"

[@NoButIGotCheezWhiz]

Holy shit that’s huge

[@ishathakor]

i came back to rewatch this video and it was unexpected surprise. i'm learning korean so it's super helpful for me to see the translations

[@clam6254]

“my dad taught me how to hijack cybermen ships when i was four” hits like “i dropped out of 4th grade to run drugs to support my nan”. it shouldn’t be possible to compare doctor who to RIVERDALE

[@Ramsey276one]

O M G That is Hilariously SAD XD

[@GigaDuck241]

This is next level salt, fully justifed, and I love it.

[@henrikaugustsson4041]

Yeah, that’s probably one of the most retarded shows I’ve ever heard of, and the competition is stiff in that area. I’ve seen a lot of stupid shit being made these days.

[@whereami2477]

Makes the Cybermen sound incompetent as fuck if they're being hacked by fucking 4 year olds too

[@kestrel7493]

Who would win: a warship developed by one of the most technologically advanced species in the universe who have taken over galaxies, traveled across the multiverse and fought wars across time and space. Or a 4 year old?

[@ArdinVincent]

I've read genderbending fanfics that seemed more canonically accurate than season 12.

[@asurmenhandofasuryan4610]

It helps they're written by competent fans who want to stay true to the series

[@mr.everwind5225]

How do you like a comment twice???

[@Ashen.Elixer]

IF I had more faith in the writer, I would say that 13 is supposed to be getting senile or has had their brain tampered, and it's going to be a big arc to fix. As it is, 'tis just decent actors trying their damndest to work with horrible writing

[@wiseguy149]

@@Ashen.Elixer Imagine if 13 was actually some asshole like the Master (if it wouldn't fuckup the great sendoff that Missy had) who had their mind fucked with on one of their regenerations so that they were made to think they were the Doctor. So they go around trying to act like the Doctor and doing what they subconsciously consider to be Doctor things. But because they don't actually *understand* the compassion and altruism the Doctor exhibits due to their own lacking empathy, they instead just end up copying a bunch of surface-level traits with no nuance and absolutely botch the reals reasons the Doctor behaves the way they do. Imagine someone with such a moral mindfuck going through the motions as they gradually figure out the truth behind themselves, until they actually have to address the dichotomy and make an informed, complex moral decision about the type of person they want to be. This shitty idea I threw together in a minute has more depth than the last two seasons of Doctor Who. But since these hollow, cardboard characters have been dragged out for two entire seasons already, I'm not sure it's possible to redeem that much garbage with even the best possible writing from now on. Our only hope anymore seems to be that someone else will take over and ignore the whole thing, and these will become the two seasons that we don't talk about anymore and everyone pretends don't exist.

[@Bee-zr5pb]

You are painfully correct

[@SleekDiamond41]

Regarding the Doctor calling out Ryan for gunning down the sniper bots She tells him that guns are bad, and instead kills the bots with an EMP Thus, the principle isn’t that “killing is bad,” it’s that *guns don’t kill efficiently enough* I’m guessing that’s not what Chris Chibnall intended, but that’s what happens when you suck at writing

[@Coconut-219]

"Own a nuke for home defense, just like Chinball intended."

[@Pihsrosnec]

guns are bad, chemical weapons can kill more people with less effort!

[@sudoscientist]

The same thing happens again in Spyfall Part 2, The Doctor yells at Ada for using a gun to shoot (just lightly grazing) The Master, then literally immediately after throws a grenade at him, in a room full of people. It's so bizarre.

[@split776]

I'm going to say something that sounds over-dramatic, so keep in mind that I'm 1. Jewish and 2. majored in Holocaust history This message, "guns are bad (because they're not effective)" is exactly the problem WWII Bad Guys faced when they conquered Eastern Europe: there are so many "undesirables" to uhhh get rid of, and forcing them to dig holes then stand on the perimeter of said hole and shoot them in the back is not very efficient, so they tried things like reshaping trucks so that the gas omitted from the engine goes into the back side, killing all the "cargo", but that wasn't great either since you can't fit that many people in the closed back of a truck and you have to actually take a ride for the engine to do its part, so they had to come up with a final, effective, solution. So yeah watering down the moral "life is precious and peace is possible" to "guns aren't Good At Killing" isn't a hot look on you Doc

[@mintbrownieangelfish-6114]

​@split776 ahhhh no kidding, thanks for educating us. I knew the basics but not the specifics

[@mekonta]

Who in their right mind, suffering from a self-coordinating disability, decides to try and learn how to ride a bike on uneven, mountainous terrain and metres away from cliff edges?!

[@creed8712]

Considering how Ryan reacts to everything else he probably didn’t think much of it

[@mjela4516]

At least it looks softer to fall upon. The ground bit, not the cliff bit

[@thomasb7347]

@@mjela4516 i think that could be a metaphor or something. Its easier to fall on that ground but harder to succeed

[@nunyabizz3357]

same person who, suffering from a coordination disability, decides to run into a group of hostile killer robots with no backup after picking up a weapon they're completely unfamiliar with. holy shit we found CONSISTENCY! his characterization is that he's an idiot.

[@Sentient_Zee]

@@thomasb7347 and yet it’s probably more likely it was set there just so he could throw the bike down the cliff and have to go fetch it(for some reason he goes way too far into the woods when he does), therefore separating him from Grace and Graham.

[@averyeml]

The thing that bugs me is that The Fam live in a world where they, people from Britain, casually know the name of the bus driver who kicked Rosa Parks off the bus when that isn’t even common knowledge here in the US, but hear the name Nikola Tesla and don’t even come up with “you mean like the Elon Musk car?”

[@afelias]

GOD even hearing about that episode hurts. What really gets me is that the Doctor has such surface-level understanding of Tesla's best works. The writers need to be given a five hour lesson on what Nikola Tesla was able to achieve. ALTERNATING CURRENT is a goddamn superpower that multiplies power transfer efficiency that the way we're advancing past that one achievement is by using 2010-2020 cutting edge semiconductor technology to make non-AC transformers using switching. They didn't need to make up stuff like drones or Wi-Fi, which Tesla started on but didn't really make like that. Fuck Wi-Fi too, Tesla wanted to beam the power straight to homes via man-made thunderclouds. Which, I'm pretty sure, you could have easily made a Doctor Who episode about sentient thunderclouds delivering free energy from heaven or something cool. But no, they did a "fuck Edison" without doing a full on War of the Currents.

[@nickbrough8335]

It was a poorly realised doc-drama (the sort that the History channel does) with the Doctor and fam inserted to ensure that Rosa actually did what she was supposed to do, whilst completely ignoring all of the real story., which is a lot more complicated and involves deliberate political choices.

[@Neil070]

@@afelias Tesla's story is fascinating in itself (why did the US government take his documents and work in progress when he died?). Tesla had ideas for unlimited free energy without pollution or nuclear waste. The electricity generation industry and the oil industry were petrified. Did they lean on the government? How did Tesla die? Why was Tesla forgotten about for decades, while comparative failure Edison had a biopic made about him? This was a hugely disappointing episode in a series of disappointing episodes

[@nalinmalhotra3319]

@@afelias It honestly seemed like they saw one of those "Tesla Genius, Edison Bad" tumblr posts or something the night before. And then the next day had nothing to pitch so just pitched the post

[@videobeetle8]

@@nickbrough8335 Chibnall’s a neolib who doesn’t believe in the power of collective, deliberate activism in the face of injustice and thought Rosa parks wouldn’t be ‘relatable’ if he portrayed her protest as what it actually was: a preplanned, deliberate act of self-imprisonment in protest of a wildly unjust law.

[@scruffymopplidge2129]

I feel like you may have overlooked something: Ryan not reacting to things is a strong character trait. As a KZbinr, he is aware that reacting to anything might mean he gets sued by The Fine Bros.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

I wished there was more Videos fusing Humor and Learning together... oh wait, there ARE! Entire Channel like Some-More-News, Hbomberguy and Professor Dave!

[@randomfrequencies]

Underrated comment 😄

[@Freddieology]

Well done on this one.

[@joewilson3575]

Such an old reference lol

[@itsmebeter3538]

he reacts in an upset way when he misses the shot with the basketball. it’s only a matter of time before all his assets become liquidated.

[@drwfigureadventures]

Just less than half an hour in you’ve made me realise that perhaps the TARDIS team wasn’t overpopulated like a lot of people say, it’s just that the population was flat and 2 dimensional. If they’d followed established character traits and grown organically it might’ve been no issue that there were 3 companions.

[@ShadeStormXD]

a good writer could certainly have done it but its very clear that whoever wrote the script didnt write it in terms of "graham, ryan and yaz" but in terms of "companion1, companion2, companion3"

[@JhadeSagrav]

Feels overpopulated because there's barely enough characterization for one character and it's now split into three. Amy and Rory didn't feel overpopulated when River hopped in periodically. Each was a CHARACTER, not PLOT DEVICE.

[@tomforsythe7024]

We learned more about Donna Noble in two minutes than we learned about "The Fam" in two seasons.

[@Ramsey276one]

YIKES

[@dandywaysofliving]

It's because Donna was Show And the fam. Was tell. Yea we saw em but they just talk what they do or feel. Everything also happened in a day. Why not show Yaz being a good copper and going above her current rank. She's committed and some of the public enjoys her presence and think she deserves better. Maybe she hasn't won but she's curious. Graham and Ryan could have a moment where ryan needs space, but grahm has a potential danger and Ryan needs to step up. Show he cares for grahm but mainly because his grand luvs him. He's still uneasy and they go their esperate ways because Ryan's friends called him for previous plans made. He feels a bit uneasy about leaving because of what just happened but his grand says. They'll be fine. He can go. The rest of the episode plays out. Yaz is somewhat nearby the onion because she's snooping within her jurisdiction and when she hears the call. She says she'll handle it. (it'll buy her time to keep searching around.(for whatever reason it is she's snooping, I didn't make one rn tbh it's irrelevant rn) She carries on and finds Ryan and his friends. They leave because coppers lame and say they'll be at a café(they already took picks for the vine) so it's just Yaz and Ryan talking and Ryan is uneasy about getting near it. Yaz laughs because she thinks he's stuntin for a secret cam he set up. Hes a bit frustrated but Yaz decides to believe him. She knows what it's like to not be respected by others. Eventually shit plays out. Ryan and grahm fight because his gram almost dies on a train. She scolds Ryan for blaming grahm for that. Grahm feels old but fights to defend that he still has his strength and energy. Doctor steps in saying she's over 1000 years old. They all just turn like what. Is she on drugs. Yaz steps in and tries to follow protocal but things get out of control. Doctor steps up. Defends them from the tentacles. A person dies. Yaz freaks out. Calls it in. Starts having a panic attack. Doctor helps calm her down. Gives some foreshadowing about what it's like losing a person. Ryan and grahm look at each other passively. Gram hugs em both and says you see. You do care about each other. The plot carries on. Tbh ima stop here. I'd keep going but I'm not an official writer dx just had a fun idea pop in.

[@ljllob4740]

Donna also felt like a human person as well not a as piece of cardboard

[@able3331]

Donna was so relatable. The first half of her first episode I hated her until I realized I would be her. One of the most real human characters in the newer series by far.

[@tomforsythe7024]

@@able3331 And they weren't afraid to give a female protagonist unlikeable traits. Nowadays, every woman is the bestest. Part of why everyone loves Donna is her foibles.

[@kazuya246]

Are you a coward or a killer? 9th Doctor: Coward Are you a coward or a killer? 13th Doctor: Both

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Hey remember the epic ending of The End of Time where the Doctor has a gun on the Master and on President Rassilon and the Doctor's Mother reveals herself and gestures in a way to show the Doctor the third option that doesn't involve murder as she sheds a tear? Guess she wasn't his real mother and that moment wasn't as touching as it seems because the Doctor is super special awesome and not related in any way to those Time Lord freaks.

[@WoodysAR]

7th Doctor: "Neither. Those are finite states, I am a Time Lord. Unbound."

[@SpectrumAnalysis]

@@Edax_Royeaux Did they ever reveal that character was The Doctor's mother though?

[@SpectrumAnalysis]

War Doctor: Never Cruel or Cowardly

[@karen-sm4gw]

i feel like the show has never really held a solid answer to that to be fair

[@HiperPivociarz]

Epso: I learned at a very early age to not trust anybody, even my own mother. Also Epso: *Falls asleep on a boat, on a lake of acid, surrounded by complete strangers, one of which is a woman who would greatly benefit from his death, and doesn't like him in the slightest*

[@creed8712]

@X X -the doctor said before kicking him off the boat

[@4203105]

To be slightly fair, that woman can't kill him or she won't get the prize money either. But in general, you are completely right. She could promise half her prize money to somebody else to do it for her.

[@creed8712]

@@4203105 if Ryan actually had a character that was consistent with his lines that could have made an interesting conflict with him wanting the money or whatever

[@nickbrough8335]

@@creed8712 It could also be argued as cultural stereotyping as well though.

[@creed8712]

@@nickbrough8335 is it a cultural thing to want wealth? I assume most people’s in most parts of the world that aren’t like very very primitive like those natives on islands want some form of monetary status or wealth

[@vitraartist2622]

You were talking about how none of them really reacted to having a bomb planted into their bodies and it got me thinking about the older stuff. Donna is my personal favorite companion I love her. she is so incredibly funny and charming and Catherine Tate does great playing her. Imagine if Donna Noble got a bomb planted into her body. I'm not anywhere near a professional writer but I'm pretty sure she wouldn't take it lying down. And if The Doctor told her to be quiet while they think? They'd probably need to regenerate again because she would kill them. Just imagining that scene highlights even more how little these characters are given.

[@RealCoolstriker64]

This! If Donna was there Jodie would have been the shortest lived Doctor ever.

[@ZoeyAnonschild]

Wait, no. You’re forgetting that something incredibly similar DID happen to Donna in the Runaway Bride, which was ALSO HER FIRST EPISODE (if you don’t count Doomsday). Lance was filling Donna up with Huon particles, which are what triggered her to be transported into the TARDIS. The Doctor explains that there are particles within her, she doesn’t know what they are, but the Doctor keeps rambling about, in her eyes, things that aren’t irrelevant or important, ie. not relating to her personal safety. So she DOES slap him. After that, the first thing she asks is if she’s in danger. The Doctor then lies so she won’t worry (maybe because he knows the particles are more active when the host is stressed, which you would be if you found out you were gonna die, or maybe just to be kind, who can say?) but she figures out that she probably is and makes him tell her the truth. When he tells her they’re deadly, she has an actual normal human reaction, both physical and vocal, and we don’t get to see it for long because the Racnoss Empress announces herself, but also because the Doctor actually reassures her that he’s going to do something to fix it and reverse the damage, promising her she won’t die, rather than letting her worry without saying anything at all or being vague about it (unlike 13). I’m genuinely surprised Jay didn’t bring this up, it’s such a similar concept with the introduction of a companion and their reactions to finding out there are alien components in them that could be life threatening.

[@stitchthelilo]

the odd thing is when i got to that part of the video i imagined donna being in this situation too, probably cause she’s my favourite! just think that’s a neat coincidence

[@BarioIDL]

@@ZoeyAnonschild damn, you know about doctor who better than chinball

[@Nixahma]

I read the sentence "Imagine Donna Noble with a bomb in her body" and I could faintly hear her ranting in the back of my mind with that affronted and upset tone she uses lol

[@TaylorNieuwdorp]

"If you really don't want a nuanced story then... write a story about a villain who enjoys killing puppies!" But what if those puppies pushed their mother off a cliff?

[@sadagusfate]

Its ok, thier mother was a time traveling racist who liked guns

[@cameronfrye8311]

Cruella lol

[@Kaemonarch]

@@sadagusfate But it was only racist against the Daleks that destroyed all living things in their doggy home planet!

[@bagotoast]

**Mom gets pushed off a cliff** “Nough!”

[@meris8486]

Why is Cruella? What a mess of a movie

[@andreworders7305]

Two separate episodes where guns = bad, slow torture = good. This is like if Batman had no problem with killing, but instead just refused to use a gun.

[@lunaangeleclipse9745]

You know the classic batman quote, "I never kill people with guns, never! I'm more partial to nerve poison myself."

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@lunaangeleclipse9745 I’m sad cause Chibnal wont ever learn. Cant we all take a Minute and Tweet him the URL of this Video here? ?

[@junker-f3m]

@@lunaangeleclipse9745 I mean, he did lock KGBeast in a sewer to starve to death one time because then it technically wasn't his fault. Pretty fucked in both cases tho

[@hunterfox6176]

Well there was that one time he hanged a guy using the Batwing.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@J2HATMgoo I hope he does a total Reboot. I mean, you cant just 'contiue' Character-Arcs that never started. And you cant start/give a Character-Arc in a Character's THIRD Season: Thats hilariously impossible.

[@amherstwind]

Remember that time the Tenth Doctor willingly sacrificed himself for a human, even when the battle was ALREADY won? Now we have the Thirteenth who will let a human die IN HER PLACE to win HER battle... it's just not the same character anymore.

[@Samwell-L]

Which tenth story is that?

[@infinityproductions4989]

@@Samwell-L His last one, The End of Time. When Wilfred was trapped in that chamber, about to be flooded with Radiation.

[@Samwell-L]

@@infinityproductions4989 OF COURSE how could I forget?

[@carterphillips3357]

@@infinityproductions4989 Wilfred was such a sweet character. The heart to heart with the dying doctor is just the best

[@tophatgeo]

In fairness most doctors tend to have people sacrifice themselves for the doctors causes, in the sontaran two parter, a human sacrificed himself for 10 to stop the sontarans

[@charligoesslowlyinsane]

I still haven't gotten over the fact that the Time Lords put the Doctor through unfathomable torture for several BILLION times longer than the human mind can even begin to comprehend and she comes out of it basically going "ugh guys I'm so done with u omg" and then they lie to her about giving her a forget pill one time and she can't comprehend how they could do something so terrible.

[@cornparade6874]

I guess you could chalk the billion years of torture and the End of Time events up to Rassilon being behind those instances and generally being a prick but The Deadly Assassin and Trial of a Time Lord extends it to other Time Lords too.

[@LordsSky]

I had to pause the video when Not-Trump shot the spider and said "this'll what will get me into the white house". I vote exclusively on giant spider based policies and this really agreed with my political stance.

[@Eldudiogrande]

Incredibly based I simply can’t stand the current standing political party in my country as they refuse to answer questions based on gun policies in reference to giant spiders as “that’s stupid and irrelevant” smh

[@BionicleFactory]

That part is so laugh out loud on the nose; I couldn't believe it. I, too, am a single issue voter when it comes to giant spider policy.

[@Nr4747]

@@BionicleFactory Just out of curiosity: Which side of the only worthwile partisan issue of our times do you stand on: Shoot the spiders - or starve the spiders ?

[@BionicleFactory]

@@Nr4747 "Shooting's quicker."

[@seamusthatsthedog4819]

@@BionicleFactory Spider shooters stand up

[@definitelyhooman7939]

"The lyrics of the Doctor Who theme are uwu" Why have you cursed me with this knowledge

[@zacwolfe6701]

UUUuuuuWWWwwwwUuuuuUuuUu

[@eto3721]

No... no... oh god no... I can't unhear it

[@damythicalpanda9190]

Jesus Christ why did you do this to me

[@DesolatedChild018]

Now that’s what I call inner conflict

[@eto3721]

@@DesolatedChild018 I never want to hear this again after almost 6 hours of it lol

[@amanul_2474]

This video took longer to come out than the Doctor spent in the confession dial

[@mickys8065]

This video has more planning than the entirety of season 11 and 12

[@TheSlammurai]

@@mickys8065 This video has more awkwardness than seasons 11 and 12.

[@AssimilateAndChill]

I think that the Timeless Child thing would have been way more interesting and worked way better if the Master was the Timeless Child. It explains why they’re so angry (“They stole this from me!”) and you can have a scene where the Doctor talks him down and sympathises with him. (I’d also have Ruth be the Master pretending to be the Doctor, using an altered Chameleon Arch or something)

[@brybrybry995]

man, that would probably redeem the whole arc. Damn.

[@christiegreenwood2642]

That would've been so much better.

[@EliWintercross]

I disagree, it would still be incredibly stupid.

[@cement_eater]

If the timeless child arc had to stay, my choice would've been susan. That said, s12 would've been better without TTC, the master or gallifrey at all. end it with just ashad and the cybermasters

[@WritesMe]

@@EliWintercross You're both right.

[@sidhe830]

the sad part is, a version of the doctor that's so tired of having death on their conscience, even enemy deaths, that they're willing to do arguably worse things to their enemies to avoid having more could have been an interesting take on the doctor. sadly, that would have required the show to actually acknowledge that the doctor isn't the moral center of the universe and that there are things that are worse than outright killing

[@Charles.II_of_England]

isn't that just 10?

[@worthlesshuman5041]

@@Charles.II_of_England Not really. When 10 gave those eternal life punishments to the family of blood, it was implied that he was doing it because he was very angry and that those fates would be worse than death, not because he was afraid of having blood on his hands. Meanwhile this hypothetical 13th doctor could do that not out of any personal feelings of rage, but because she just doesn't want to deal with the mental strain of blood on her hands

[@Charles.II_of_England]

​@@worthlesshuman5041 oh i see, thank you for explaining

[@AngelLoeza]

That's a long winded way to say there are some fates worse than death

[@Pihsrosnec]

exactly, immoral pacifism is a really interesting concept and one that is rarely ever explored despite what makes it possible(fates worse than death) being relatively well explored

[@enbyennui]

having the doctor literally say "the systems arent the problem" straight at the camera in a doctor who episode with a genuinely engaging premise, thus shooting dead any hopes of even vague moral depth and complexity in the chibnall era, made me want to punch a hole in my tv

[@enbyennui]

I FORGOT SHE THEN KILLS THE UNABOMBER FSJKLDFH

[@NBDYSPCL]

@@enbyennui excuse me wHaT

[@HappyGingerWolf]

@@NBDYSPCL Charlie has a similar motivation and plan to the unabomber

[@jamesderiven1843]

That's the episode where I stopped watching and have yet to go back!

[@thomasmcelroy5785]

...I am so lucky I stopped before this I thought she'd be the 'like 11, but more: childish curiosity than childish wonder, and no significant hard side which she will have to learn to regain and incorporate season by season' basically the idea would be that the doctor tried to have a more wonderous time with his 11th incarnation, but the universe wouldn't let him, so the doctor is doubling down on that 'curious explorer' bit when she becomes 13, this results in being a bit too trusting and having a less nuanced and more flexible morality and less foresight (as one might expect from a more child like mind set, and this also would handily explain why 12 had to leave a message saying be a decent person: children need moral guidance and reinforcement, even the inner child) which results in the bidirectional learning dynamic between doctor and companion to shift more heavily in the companion's side because the doctor is basically an overly trusting know-it-all ...I was so, so, so wrong

[@GivenFailure]

The timeless child feels like another example of genetic determinism and moral binaries. Time Lords are bad, the Doctor is good, therefor the Doctor is not a Time Lord.

[@deferguard7748]

And it all feels very cheap.

[@ArlanKels]

I expect as soon as chibnall is gone if someone picks up after him they'll nuke the timeless child reveals

[@pumpernickelrye9736]

According to articles after when the episode first came out, the Timelords' exploitation of the Timeless Child and taking her regeneration gene and taking over Gallifrey represents colonialism. They destroyed a lot of history in this long running series to make a subtle comparison a lot of people didn't pick up on because they were too blown away of how the lore was being messed with. It gets a little more fucked up when you think about it. Because of the Timelords, The Doctor grew up having a rather normal life on Gallifrey save for his rebellious streak as mentioned in the video that led him to stealing the TARDIS. Because of this, it leads him to his adventures seen in the show's running. Due to these adventures, The Doctor has repeatedly saved the Earth/Galaxy/Universe/Timeline several times over and is a true hero. So...if the Timelords didn't colonize Gallifrey, there would be no Doctor to stop all of these events and save people. The Timeless Child would have just sat there doing...something. She can't do much else without the technology and knowledge she would gain access to from the Timelords. Did this show accidently argue in favor colonialization?

[@greenbros.3350]

@@pumpernickelrye9736 that's seems about. man you gotta wonder how hard it is to make something bad... seem bad

[@ArlanKels]

@@pumpernickelrye9736 I think in the original version of Doctor Who(Prior to this clusterfuck of an episode and "reveal") The Time Lords that could regenerate were a select few, and they lorded over the rest of their race(quite literally).

[@peytonmccandless5174]

Making the first female Doctor insecure is sexist, honestly. Can't believe I didn't notice, and thank you for pointing it out.

[@carpedm9846]

"Problems im not even gonna touch on" Oh come on mate, give us that 10 Hour extended cut.

[@gamingwithsheepy7699]

I’d watch it, I’ve watched this 🤣

[@JiJ1511]

#ReleaseTheExciCut

[@francisstaines228]

Try 24hrs extended cut

[@loturzelrestaurant]

The Spider-Nonsense makes me real Mad because the T-Man (not the Doctor Who Version) is indeed a Clown and an Issue - but this Episode is so ridiculously badly written that its used as an Argument to ask "Oh, so Anti-Trump-People are like 'this', eh?"... ...Chibnal has no idea he actively gave Trump Support with this Episode... ...

[@dradel2050]

Jay litterally could have divided this in 20 minutes parts and have regular content over 6 months But putting a 5 hours video is just so... establishing dominance

[@richyrich7260]

Longman good.

[@gwynmoth3940]

I mean them the views would have a much more stark dropoff.

[@catsquidcatoverlord9842]

@@richyrich7260 I was going to comment this in response, but you beat me to it.

[@GeorgeMillerAtkinson]

It’s self indulgent shite, wouldn’t be surprised if he tunes out to be a Nonce.

[@JayExci]

Please touch grass George

[@finn_underwood]

Rule of thumb: it's better to have contrivances get characters _into_ trouble than _out of_ trouble. It's realistic for bad luck to happen, but it feels cheap for good luck to nullify character's actions. ...not saying the contrivances are automatically better if they get characters into trouble, but audiences tend to be more forgiving as it doesn't _lower_ stakes.

[@tTaseric]

Good luck / miracle resolutions to episodes can work, and are sometimes the best option, but it all depends on the thematic framing. For example, shows that are entirely based in character and deal with faith and ideology can afford to have 'miracle' endings because you feel like they deserve it. In Doctor Who, the Doctor has never deserved the happy ending so it rarely works. I honestly do prefer the contrived endings than some of the "oh I'm just god now okay" endings that were littered around in 10's era.

[@donovandelozier7156]

@@tTaseric I'd argue there were definitely times the Doctor DESERVES a miracle, but the universe is rarely so kind or fair which is i think something of a theme for who.

[@DraakjeYoblama]

This makes sense, if something contrived happens to get them into trouble you can write it off as a coincidence. Since the doctor is so old, coincidences will happen to them, we just don't see the episodes of when it doesn't happen. The odds of a coincidence happening that gets them out of the trouble they already happen to be in are much smaller

[@finn_underwood]

@@DraakjeYoblama Clarification, it's _really_ bad writing if you've contrived reasons for _both_ the cause and resolution of a specific conflict. But if you have to choose one or the other, audiences will more likely forgive a contrivance starting a conflict than they will a contrivance ending a conflict, as the latter undermines the stakes and takes away potential gain from said conflict, rendering the entire conflict meaningless, whereas the former does not cause as much lasting damage. That's not to say the former doesn't have its fair share of criticism (idk how many stories I've seen where "character tripping on rock" leads to the entire bloody story happening because they stumbled upon a tomb or touched something they shouldn't touch or whatever) but it's in general better to have the cause, not the solution, be the ass-pull.

[@cranzag]

It's kinda funny that Onion Boy's corrupted teleporter transported him perfectly on the ground of another planet, but the Doctor's teleporter, built with a purpose, just dropped her off in the middle of space

[@grfrjiglstan]

"I never use guns...because bombs are more effective!" Great moral lesson, Doc.

[@jamiekeane471]

Sounds like something a terrorist organisation would say lol

[@totallynotaferret]

Tf2

[@cogsworther1639]

"I will only use a weapon if it's a guaranteed warcrime every time I use it. Guns leave too many people alive." -13th Doctor, apparently

[@Ivebeenbleak]

Before the last two seasons, the Doctor has: -nearly broken a man's neck and beaten people unconscious multiple times -sentenced a whole family to an eternity of torture -commited genocide (more than once) -destroyed a planet

[@eisgnom7383]

@@totallynotaferret which one?

[@Lenny-ue8hk]

Arachnids in the UK establishes that the mutant spiders have spread out from the hotel and are in various places in Sheffield. The episode ends with them getting rid of all the spiders in the hotel and then leaving job done. There are still giant spiders capable of killing humans (as seen earlier in the episode) all over the city.

[@sadagusfate]

Tbf, they were probably all shot by "normal people", shame how many people are getting into the Whitehouse now tho....

[@4203105]

I mean that's not the worst of it. They establish that the Queen is too big to breathe. So they are aware and introduce that concept. But in reality with our atmospheres current oxygen content, every insect bigger than a tarantula would be unable to breathe. That's why there aren't any. If you want me to suspend my disbelieve, don't bring up the very thing I'm meant to ignore!

[@robonator2945]

@Innocent Jogger (curled in fetal position slowly rocking back and fourth under the writing desk) : "orange man bad, orange man bad, orange man bad" this is how I picture just about every trump character in media, ever, being written.

[@Spanker4612]

arachnophobia is one of the most common phobias in the world. at least one of those people would’ve freaked out over a normal spider. no human would be that chill around spiders the size of dogs and cars. only the doctor would be arguing for them not to be killed immediately. and only because there’s no spider queen speaking english telling him directly “my children will kill every person on earth”. when spiders do that, the doctor kills everything in the closest river to insure newborns looking for a 1st meal never see the light of day. and am i the only one wondering why none of those brits questioned the random american with an underground armory in a hotel in the north of england? yas is a cop right? hand guns are illegal in england right? random foreign tourists and businessmen don’t get to bring their traveling arsenal abroad RIGHT?

[@notapplicable6985]

​@@robonator2945I mean, that is how most trumo charactures were even before presidency, because he is bad

[@LazerzZ]

This video didn't just make me realise just how much I hate series 11 and 12, and why... It made me realise how much I truly adore Doctor Who when it's at it's best.

[@marysueechols2845]

@@LukasOfTheLight true, but still love Eccleston

[@grandkhan9261]

yeah, this video made me want to rewatch some classic who. I had forgotten how good this show could be and how amazing of a character the doctor was

[@Bellocks1]

Troughton was always OP.

[@RaikenXion]

In all honesty i think Doctor Who needs to END. NOT forever, but i strongly feel in order to save this franchise, the series needs a hiatus, a long while off air, so that people can be given time to just forget about it and gradually start to miss it. This would force those who are currently damaging it to just go away and move onto other things. Then allow times to change yet again, for all this woke/sjw mentality to die down and gradually fade away. And then you will find some truly visionary and "Creative" will come in, and breathe new life into this series.

[@Tyranniod]

Series 1-10 is some damm fine television.

[@RealCoolstriker64]

I just came back to say that, when the doctor says “I need to lay down the law if you’re new” after that she literally says: “don’t quote that back to me, my rules change all the time” and it’s honestly criminal that you didn’t use that part because of the sheer milage it’d give you.

[@DashingSteel]

I guess even in a 5 hour video there's such things as having too much material. It'd probably be like 7 if all those things were invluded.

[@herebejamz]

The most frustrating part of this is the fact that Jodi Whittaker is a fantastic actress and I was genuinely excited when she was announced to be the next Doctor.

[@andybyrd4107]

I think that even if the writing were better she'd still lack the range and experience to play the character. The Doctor requires a depth of performance that she just isn't capable of. There's a lot of actresses who could pull it off, but she's not one of them.

[@aguyfromnothere]

The Doctor becoming a girl was the end of it because all the assumptions and brain break down that makes you want to make the doctor a woman infect everything else in the show.

[@iflipandtumble]

Andy Byrd have you even seen broadchurch?????????

[@andybyrd4107]

@@iflipandtumble Yeah, but I don't remember her being in it. Must have been an extremely lacklustre performance. Coleman was great. She could have played the Doctor well, even with terrible writing and direction.

[@iflipandtumble]

Andy Byrd she was INCREDIBLE in broadchurch ?!?!?! how can you not remember her

[@laineydavis00]

I forgot how much of season 11 was just begging the camera to move like half a foot back from the actor's face

[@gaiar.d.rosendahl8300]

I was thinking the same! It really shows!

[@twinpeaksreference3981]

It's amazing how much of the "fam"s dialogue is completely interchangeable, like it could easily be said by any other of them, or just written as one companion.

[@Stinky_brother]

I probably would have actually liked that character if they had a goal and was better acted.

[@davidmeigs2152]

You make a good point. I wonder if it was all intended to be one, or two companion characters but then they got exploded into four.

[@Wolf6119]

I'm convinced if you gave someone a script for any of the Chibnall Era episodes with all the names redacted, they wouldn't be able to tell which companion was saying what for the most part. It's like they just write all the dialogue first, and then throw darts at a list of names to decide who gets to sayw hich line.

[@KendrixTermina]

Yeah, that was my main complaint. They have no flavor! This is after both RTD and Moffat always put a lot of work in making the new companion make a memorable impression, be cool, have a story in their own right.... It should be easy to give them flavor when you have 4 characters, just make them contrast. Make one an optimist & another a pessimist, make one reckless and one cautious... etc. my 15 year old self could have done better!

[@ZorotheGallade]

I stopped at the Moffat era and I can't believe Chinball managed to drive the writing into such deep pits of crap. "Wait, the Doctos is trapping aliens in a room to starve?" "Wait, the Doctor is straight up killing a human she already neutralized and who can't do any harm anymore?" "WAIT WHAT THE F--K THE DOCTOR IS LITERALLY HELPING YAHTZEES PERPETRATE A HATE CRIME?"

[@Stubagful]

"written by Chris chibnall, presumably with crayons" Cut to doctor who confidential....

[@chrisk3824]

I need more of youbtwo colaborating

[@magdalenehagey4079]

I do find it hilarious that they cast the first female Doctor, applaud themselves for being progressive, and then proceed to make her neurotic, controlling for no good reason, anxious, and unfunny. Well done, lol.

[@BarioIDL]

at least they didn't kill doctor just to make a bad revenge plot and turn the killer into the main character for half the season

[@Shadethewolfy]

She isn't the first. Even if it was a parody, The Curse of Fatal Death counts.

[@headlesshunter8435]

​@@BarioIDL I feel like you're referencing something... tell me. I am ignorant. I must know.

[@BarioIDL]

@@headlesshunter8435 keep it that way, no one should know

[@Echo-hf9gq]

@@headlesshunter8435 The Last of Us Part II

[@SoloWingFury]

Cramming a bunch of spiders in a confined space isn't remotely humane or dignified. Have you ever wondered why we farm silk from worms but not spiders, when their silk has stronger tensile strength than steel and an undershirt made of the stuff would basically be bullet proof? It's because you can't farm spiders, they cannibalize themselves when left in close confined spaces, so like one would die of starvation but the rest would just get horribly eaten while having basically no space to escape or properly defend themselves.

[@HumphreyHorsehead]

Shooting things is almost always the correct and morally sound choice.

[@matthewteo3111]

@@HumphreyHorsehead That's absolutely not what anyone here is saying.

[@AspenBrightsoul]

Ehhhh that's not 100% true but close enough, most spiders are solo hunters but there are a very few species that do live in hive webs. However their webbing is much weaker than other spiders, also they are very very tiny.

[@gizmod1208]

And thank you for making my arachnophobia even worse!

[@sheepersjeepers4953]

@@matthewteo3111 dude’s insane look at his other comment here

[@ironhide5611]

I know I’m late, but the fact that Ryan has an absent father, and is averse to letting Graham fulfill a somewhat fatherly role in his life would’ve been perfect grounds for a character dynamic, only for the show to seemingly have done nothing with it!

[@janet_m777]

They got rid of the wrong companions. Graham was amazing! Yaz was insufferable! And just a horrible actress! I didn’t like 13 anyway.

[@thelastant8366]

Another issue with the show's writing is the line around 3:03:20 "I offered him a 10 buck raise" Implies that Edison is a cheapskate. The problem is that most people made less than $1 per hour in that era so a $10 raise would be a godsend.

[@NeptuniaMorgan]

So I don't exactly know when it was set but I just took 1890 as an example and holy shit, that's about 32 dollars which make about 320 dollars today. That's a pretty insane amount.

[@joeedwards4340]

Maybe he meant an extra $10 per year? In which case a (by modern standards) a $320 raise to your salary is nothing

[@johningram420]

​@@joeedwards4340maybe that's what they were thinking, since that's the only way to make him look cheap. But most people weren't paid a yearly wage back then, so it's kind of an odd thing to say. Plus, $50000 is over 1.6 million today, so it's not actually too far fetched that this could have been a genuine cultural misunderstanding, of Edison being hyperbolic.

[@RealCoolstriker64]

Honestly, in some jobs 10 dollars more an hour is still a good deal *TODAY.*

[@brookb6488]

according to tesla's journal, it was the company manager that originally promised the 50k, not Edison. Additionally, Tesla was making $18 a week at that time, so a $10 raise was quite significant

[@rosamy2017]

This doctor reminds me of Dee from It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia. In the beginning, the actress complained to the writers that she was being written as the boring straight man, and they admitted that they didn’t really know how to write for a woman. So she told them to just write what they’d normally write for a man and she’d just play it. Her character improved dramatically. That’s what this doctor feels like. They aren’t writing the doctor, they’re writing A Woman.

[@Smokey420Greenleaf]

literally no one cares.

[@TheHaloring7]

@@Smokey420Greenleaf Smoke another one dork. Your opinion matters even less.

[@HoloFizz]

@@Smokey420Greenleaf Well then I guess me, the currently 101 likes the parent comment has, and the vast majority of this videos viewers are 'no one'.

[@albertfanmingo]

@@Smokey420Greenleaf How to “respond” to something you disagree with: 1. Type “Nobody cares” 2. Prove you care by posting it????

[@NBDYSPCL]

Not only that, but a woman they don't particularly like either...

[@officiallyjan8596]

Locking up the spiders in the panic room during Arachnids in the UK is even worse than you acknowledge in this video actually. The episode states explicitly that they don't stop growing until they die even if continuing to grow means inevitable paralyzation and organ failure due to the fact that spiders are fundamentally not built to be able to *be alive* at such sizes. This means that the spiders locked up in the panic room, since they have ample amounts of food for at least a good while, will not "simply" die from starvation. They will *keep growing* just like the queen did, but since there're a *lot* of them (dozens upon dozens) locked up in that small enclosed room, they're going to rapidly run out of space to grow. Some will die of starvation, some will die of slow and agonizing organ failure, but the last ones will probably end up dying from *running out of space to grow in and consequently getting slowly crushed to death against their siblings' corpses because they can't STOP growing.* Worst case scenario, someone's eventually gonna open up the panic room' again to see what's up and find a perfectly room-shaped cube of crushed-together gigantic spider corpses filling it from top to bottom, wall-to-wall. So yeah, in terms of "most horrific cruelties happily endorsed by the 13th Doctor" it's way up there close to the eternal ceaseless torture of Onion-man.

[@americankid7782]

Yeah suddenly a flamethrower seems like it would be more humane. Jesus Christ

[@thesleepydot]

jesus fucking christ, that’s beyond brutal…………

[@disposable157]

They might end up eating each other/each other's bodies. Which is, you know, still really really bad

[@macgeorge8229]

So you get a spider version of the mobik meat cube.

[@jacobgasson8016]

That's still not mentioning that spiders generally don't do very well in close quarters with one another, which is why they can't realistically be farmed. So you've got a room full of very unhappy creatures continuously growing and eating each other until they get too big to move and they die from organ failure or being crushed. Maybe they should've just shot them

[@timothykeiningham7105]

Chibnalls writing SCREAMS “I want to be praised for addressing touchy and complex topics but I’m only going to barely touch the surface level concepts because I don’t actually care and am incapable of forming complex thoughts”

[@hiroasuakika7144]

That fact that Chibnall wrote this farce of a Doctor KILLING a TARDIS, which are SENTIENT AND ALIVE by the way, enrages me.

[@not_enough_space]

I can't watch that scene without imagining a human companion being sacrificed. Put on a big "Wasn't that clever?" grin when all you had to do was simply kill off one of your friends!

[@hiroasuakika7144]

@@not_enough_space RIGHT????

[@IgnusIncubus]

Wtf? Do you have a timestamp? I don't remember this

[@ff10fire666]

It happens in the latest episode during near the end of the new year special

[@IgnusIncubus]

@@ff10fire666 I thought it was in the video, I didn't watched the last season of the show

[@felisadidas4932]

"Doctor Who has a rich and long history, starting all the way in *_the past_* " oh god I'll have 5 hours of this goodness-

[@appointmenteer]

all jay’s stuff is like this, check more of her work out if you like this 👀 her troom troom video is one of my favs

[@fridaynightspreadsheetfun]

@@appointmenteer jay’s a chick?

[@fluoromarx]

@@fridaynightspreadsheetfun yes.

[@fridaynightspreadsheetfun]

@@fluoromarx illuminating news

[@fluoromarx]

@@fridaynightspreadsheetfun this opens many new possibilities

[@alexjames7144]

I feel like at least half of the problems with the timeless child reveal would have been fixed by the Master being the timeless child, it explains why he was angry enough to destroy Gallifrey, why he's mentally unstable and doesn't cause so many stupid contradictions

[@Dandidoodles]

That would have actually made a whole lot of sense, all the times the master got shot and 'died permanently' only to then reappear a few seasons later.

[@calmkat9032]

Yeah it makes a lot more sense if he's lying because 1) He's chaos incarnate, 2) we know a lot less about his early life and 3) It keeps the Doctor's timeline straight

[@alexjames7144]

@@calmkat9032 In a way I'd rather they reveal he was lying but also I'd be really annoyed and they'd clearly have just changed it because people hated it.

[@mikehorner5989]

@@calmkat9032 so do you think the Ruth doctor is him? Did he just hire a bunch of people to act like they were both the doctor? It would be better but still stupid unless explained really well.

[@calmkat9032]

@@mikehorner5989 Yeah Ruth Doctor needs a different backstory too. Although, she does anyway since, as Jay mentioned, we saw the 'first' doctor as we know him steal a Tardis that then becomes a police box. Since Ruth uses a police box Tardis, she has to be from after the first, not before.

[@ninino86]

What Ive never understood is how Chibnall could mess upp characterizing a female police officer dreaming of more when that is basically Gwen from Torchwood, a show which he pretty much ran. This has always confused me.

[@leadisterrible]

I never made that connection before omfg

[@GermanLeftist]

Considering that the characterisation of everyone in Torchwood series 1, the one that Chibnall basically ran all on his own, was all over the place, I'm not surprised about it at all. Torchwood became good when the BBC hired Gary Russell as a babysitter for Chibnall.

[@ninino86]

@@GermanLeftist Possibly but Gwen is pretty well characterized in her first appearence in episode one. If you greatly done, atleast adequately. Her first words are not "I wanna do more" while dreaming of doing more... You see it on her face in the rain at the chrime scene while watching Torchwood go by, and its confirmed when she chooses to follow Jack into an unknown area, even when she knows nothing and isnt trained for it.

[@lovablesnowman]

​@QuadeS04 Torchwood was never good....

[@hallucinatrix9341]

​@@lovablesnowmanchildren of earth was good and i'll stand by that

[@remi3246]

"It's a train. Chris, people keep track of those." Yeah, man, not in the UK.

[@heatherperleberg7816]

@Joel Morgan-Bullock o7

[@mrcephalopod]

I once missed a connecting train and subsequently nearly missed the only ferry that day because they misplaced a train driver for an entire hour

[@whereverover]

This five hour youtube rant is a hundred times more entertaining, thought-through, well-written and directed than the professionally produced renowned tv show it criticizes

[@papershadow]

Amazing what actually writing a script will do for a production. Maybe Chibnall will learn from that for S13.

[@MakerOfChase]

I'm really happy I didn't have to scroll too far to find this comment. I stumbled on the channel and now I am confident this time will be better spent here than attempting to suffer through the last two seasons

[@jolteoonalt]

@@papershadow Hahahah! This comment is gold

[@DGiovanni]

I'll take your word for it because there's no way I'm watching it.

[@devzy793]

Sounds like a rotten tomatoes review but I agree

[@shimmerence]

i hate that i can't hear the words "onion boy" without being reminded of onision

[@avlaenamnell6994]

Now you reminded me of his existence excuse me while i vomit.

[@manumemanu]

I was literally searching for this comment because I refused to believe I was the only one who felt this way, so thank you and I'm sorry.

[@unclekarma1855]

I keep thinking of that one bro from dark souls

[@GG-43]

HELLO SON, COME EAT LENTILS FOR DINNER

[@NOPEFROG]

*b i g o n i o n*

[@juliarose9423]

the retcon RTD uses to send the timeless child back into the void is that there actually was a consequence to the doctor taking of the neural balancer and its that the entirety of season 12 was a vivid hallucination

[@GJauchen]

Lmao that would be perfect

[@justinhamilton8647]

sadly he likes the retcon and won’t undo it

[@teagunlinger]

@@justinhamilton8647He has, in fact, made it much, much worse

[@juliarose9423]

@@teagunlinger I barely made it through the first part of the 60th special and didn't bother with the other parts, rip

[@helloill672]

​@@teagunlinger I do not watch doctor who, but how could he have made it worse? I am both curious and horrified at the thought

[@finn_underwood]

"The Timeless Children is an episode where The Master takes The Doctor to Gallifrey in order to show her a PowerPoint presentation that ends with a slide saying 'You were adopted.'" - Stu and Jay from their talk-Dr-Who video on Jay's second channel

[@Antiyoukai]

Literally who?

[@finn_underwood]

@@Antiyoukai KZbin search "Jay Exci and Stubagful talk Doctor Who: The Timeless Children" and go to 47:47 ish in that video.

[@grelkie]

@@Antiyoukai the person you're watching and one other lmao

[@miep3934]

The doctor is adopted? that explains why nobody loves her!

[@BoloBouncer]

When people would rather watch a 5-hour video describing how bad your showrunner is rather than actually watching the show, you know you've produced a real piece of garbage.

[@nenmaster5218]

If you like and got the Attentionspan (good for you!) then check out Hbomberguy and his Measured Response-Videos, who are all smaller versions of this Jay Exci Video here. All of them fun, all of them informing.

[@alwaysflushinpublic]

It seems to me that the writers were told early in S13 that none would be retained on the show and they just totally gave up! They lifted ideas, conversations, sets and basic premisses from better days gone by. Did they take their final paychecks and blow them on blow? Hung over, I believe they woke up and said "Oh! I have to submit script today. Let's just view a random episode from the past and rewrite the lines. Presto! Manifesto they had a sad non-creative script while meeting their minimal required duty. Did they think we would not notice?

[@cosmicreciever]

I could watch season 13 in this amount of time but I'm going to watch this instead

[@johntaylor7029]

True, I've never seen a full episode of the show, but I've now watched a detailed breakdown of a couple seasons. I have no regrets.

[@Cheesemonk3h]

look i stopped watching this show in season 7 because moffat ran the show into the ground with nonsensical plot gymnastics and basically everything after the amy pond saga comes off as contrived because they upped the ante to the point of 'the entire universe is collapsing' and ran out of ways to up the ante so they just made the collapsing universe collapse even harder as the conflict motivator for multiple episodes in a row. im sorry if this is confusing to follow but it's still not as confusing as trying to understand how two red haired scottish people having sex in the tardis makes the concieved child black because of 'time lord dna'

[@ux92]

The Eleventh Doctor actually was going to mercy kill the space whale. That's a good episode that understands the moral dilemmas of mercy killing.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

I have some Epic Recommendations! Why? Why do i recommend stuff to strangers? Well, lets be honest... we live in a Quality-Hole named '2021' and Quality got real-rare, tbh. Sooooo, why not, i ask. Why not. Check out: -Starship Goldfish. -Cliffside. -Pokemon: Banette's Curse.

[@hixxy2277]

@@loturzelrestaurant Lisa: the painful rpg

[@leahhegen7930]

Well he was gonna mercy lobotomize but yeah. Pretty much the same dilemma

[@samarsvard6384]

i still dont really understand what the other option was there, they ripped apart its skull and exposed its brain, its not like they could just set it free.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@samarsvard6384 Real Life Humans (mostly Rleigious) have done worse - so thats That.

[@SB-yv8uf]

Thinking about it, it wouldve been nice to explore the anti gun principle. Lets say at start Ryan is actually successful and barely destroys the bots but nearly gets hurt - but he did it. He feels like having a gun compensates for his disability or something like that. In Arachnids they choose that the merciful thing to do is to actually shoot the spiders - thus they go from room to room killing the spiders, Ryan getting increasingly disturbed by shooting at living beings, until when they're finished, he throws the gun away and feels like never touching one again - until maybe later theres a situation where he actually needs to to procect 'the fam' with a gun, thus finally learning that there is something of a balance to find, a code to live by, instead of instantly driving towards extremes

[@nenmaster5218]

Jay isnt the only one making big criticism-essay, so have fun with Mauler covering Doctor Strange 2, Madvocate covering The Flash and Hbomberguy covering RWBY and also Sherlock

[@RealCoolstriker64]

I love this! This is a REALLY cool idea! I was focusing on that from the angle of "he has a condition that makes it easier to stumble and trip and he wants to run into a situation where any of those would make him a stationary target for a squad of SNIPERS, while they're in a situation where they'll struggle to treat MINOR injuries and things will remain that way for the foreseeable future." But it's a SPACE gun! Maybe it COULD compensate for his disability! So then later, when trump man hands him a real gun, he runs in cocky, but misses. Landing fatal wounds, but not all of them instant. People always mistake how gun skills work in fiction. It's not operating the weapon that's the issue (that part is EXTREMELY simple most of the time) it's actually AIMING the damn thing that's the tricky part. For someone with a coordination disorder like Ryan, it could be almost IMPOSSIBLE to hit anything without serious practice. Maybe the last one he shoots he misses so bad it just shoots off a leg. And as he watches it limp away, you just see the guilt on his face and then THIS is the moment the Doctor asks "see now why I don't like guns?" I think this moment would be even more powerful if the group sided AGAINST her on this issue, and she fell back to "serving at the pleasure of the human race" and helping them not die doing their plan. She's begrudgingly helping, but now it's emotionally clear to the audience why. The pain and misery violence can cause. Meanwhile, have Trump man say his line here about becoming president for this.

[@miisced]

youtube comments writing better characterisation and storytelling than “professional” writers:

[@tayzers69]

​@@miiscedto be fair editing someone elses story to be better is entirely different than simply making something good. anyone with basic media comprehension can tell what would make a good story, but actually writing a good story takes time, experience, humility, and lots of revision.

[@miisced]

@@tayzers69 to be completely fair Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke

[@handsumgerman]

Most of the locked up spiders wouldn't starve, they'd die in a terrifying hellscape of in-fighting and cannibalism that would be considered one of the greatest tragedies in history were it to happen to humans.

[@MariaIsabellaZNN]

Well, the winner gets to starve at least. How humane!

[@pontiusporcius8430]

It's the island rat metaphor from spyfall, with spiders.

[@afelias]

But they would die humanely via humane cannibalism

[@afelias]

@Sypha Flowen Spiders probably don't even have a nervous system like ours at all. They obviously don't even have skin, so expecting them to have pain nerves is a coin toss until you look it up.

[@bastion8804]

@@afelias pretty sure they can feel it. Kinda like when you spray insecticide to a roach and see them trying to get it off from them in futility for the next half a minute or so. Pain is a very essential tool for survival if you know why it's a thing

[@amariboxill9033]

The Master: You are a bit older than you thought you were, and also the Timelords did some stuff that’s completely normal for them to do. The Doctor: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@creed8712]

“Why would the open quote decadent, degenerate and rotten to the core close quote society lie about this!!!!!!”

[@MrLtia1234]

@Sypha Flowen I assume the same way he thought making a phone call from Jodrell Bank to the rest of the universe constituted ruling over it.

[@christhompson8003]

​@Sypha Flowen missed oportunity, have it so the timeless child is the master. The master then has a reason for his maddness and resentment of the timelords, it explain missy not being his final death and how he is able to kill the timeloard (because as the timeless child he is unkillable and able to go on an unstoppable rampage and uses the same device the doctor thought they used in the time war) after explaining all this he then gives a line about "well, if they felt it was ok to experiment on me..." *cyberlords walk in* "I decided I'd do some experiments of my own" Also I like how cyberlords where already established with matt smith and how regenerations would just destroy the cyber part of them...

[@orangeinkius7257]

Doctor 13 destroying the matrix by remembering her past lives is like breaking a 5 square mile strip of solar panels by shining a flashlight on them and even that's being generous

[@dodojesus4529]

Even if she were remembering all her past live(which she isnt) which would come up to 1×x-years that would in all cases be outweighed by the billions upon billions of timelords which lived simultaneously to her. Also how is the matrix still functional the place is fucking destroyed

[@placeholder4038]

@@dodojesus4529 I also like to swear when I’m mad

[@dodojesus4529]

@@placeholder4038 thanks for the info. Wasnt mad though, just wanted to emphasize it being destroyed

[@peedfarded]

@@placeholder4038 I also like to input something that has nothing to do with a conversation

[@ladrok97]

Bur if Matrix was projected to store EVERY timelord memory, THEN she wasn't merely duplicating already stored files?

[@alexandragabitto2573]

They had such a great actress for the role and they had absolutely no idea what to do with her. The first time I saw the scene with Jodie Whitaker introducing herself as the Doctor I was like “well damn the girl’s got it.” But of course they bungled it.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Even if you can't finish the whole 5 hours, you gotta appreciate how much work and effort went into this video.

[@theonetrueedgelord3596]

so you are not always on top

[@speedflight]

Heh

[@chrisdawson1776]

Oh hey, you’re here too

[@jolean_cujoh]

You don't have to watch the whole thing in one go

[@mmmcloud2771]

why do I always see your comments on videos I watch??

[@coolbanana165]

"The system isn't the problem, they way people exploit the system is the problem" - The Doctor Wow, that almost sounds like propaganda. Don't question the way things work, it's just bad individuals.

[@JohnSmith-zl1tr]

Yes, also ignore that some systems are more prone to exploitation than others.

[@darklord884]

It's both true but it's also not. Systems can be very beneficial or very exploitative/harmful by design. However, it also depends on the individual(s) leading said system(s). A genuinely smart and caring person can lead an otherwise harmfully built/oppressive system in a way that makes it good/less bad. However, a psychopathic tyrant can corrupt even a good system and run it into the ground or turn it extremely cruel. As Jay says in the video, in the Kerblam episode, both sides are wrong, but we are expected to accept one as right. The terrorist is killing innocents to combat exploitation by the system and the system kills an innocent to combat the terrorism perpetrated by the terrorist. What I find hilarious is that the Doctor's speech at the end flies directly into the face of modern woke narrative, since modern progressives love to posit that systems of governance and power are all based on oppression and are therefore evil. Does Chibnall not know what team he's playing for, do you think?

[@coolbanana165]

@@darklord884 Sure, I agree that systems can be bad, and individuals can be bad. I guess what seems to be clearer (from this video) is that Chibnall and Dr Who aren't particularly 'woke' or progressive. It's just neoliberal virtue signalling with little of meaning to say. It's team centrist, wanting mild or superficial improvement only. That's just my opinion anyway.

[@darklord884]

@@coolbanana165 Certainly seems that way. I don't subscribe to the 'woke' side either way, but entirely faking an ideology just for brownie points is foolish and as we can see, destructive when applied to art.

[@colinr0380]

"Bad apples"

[@justiron2999]

I remember my female friend was so hyped about a female doctor. She would like to mention it every now and then but then afterwards she never said a word about the series again.

[@TheSpicyLeg]

Yes, perhaps we should start focusing less on being a being a female/brown/etc X and start being an X that is female/brown/etc. The doctor was used to promote social commentary, with making compelling story and characters barely an afterthought. I find a timeless being’s “gender” to be completely uninteresting. It’s this ham-handed approach that led to people feeling let down.

[@justiron2999]

To be fair, I can see from her point of view. It wasn't "it's about time for a woman to play the doctor" but more of a "ohh yay, a female doctor, I wonder how the new season will go?" I can relate if an actor I like is going to star in a show I like. I did however warn her to temper her expectations because Chris Chipnel was in charge of the series.

[@Mr2BonClay]

Same… I haven’t tried to convert anyone in years

[@Reiners_Eulenspiegel]

It was unusual, but a thing of our time, to just put women into roles and say that this is cool. And when hearing about it, despite it being unusual for the series and a common marketing sense theese times to do that thing, i really looked forward to see, what character she would be. But in the first episode, when the new doctor normally literally explores who he/she/it is now, i waited and waited. And i still wait to find out what kind of doctor she is. Just sad. Like: "Oh she is a women. Ok thats enough specialisation on character. Maybe lets be her alway right, making the companions obsolete." (sounds a little sexist to me)

[@lydia722]

@@Reiners_Eulenspiegel I don't necessarily think it's sexist that she's always right. I think Chibnall was trying to play into 'the doctor is the most important being to have ever existed' idea he was setting up or he just wrongly assumes that the doctor has always been morally superior.

[@ChrissieBear]

The Timeless child makes no sense. Not only was it established that the time vortex is the cause of Time Lord regeneration, it was SHOWN that it demonstrably is. It's why River Song was able to regenerate, it's why she was kidnapped by the Silence to begin with, because she was conceived in the time vortex and gained the abilities of a Time Lord.

[@BarioIDL]

that implies that rory got ntr'd

[@codyopperman5930]

"We should shoot them." "No, gun bad. Starve them to death." 10/10, Doc has the moral high ground there.

[@businessburd2071]

No worse, let them suffocate to death. Even more painful

[@yeriniw7232]

i think what you meant to say is "Gons are bad"

[@codyopperman5930]

@@businessburd2071 at least that would be faster.

[@andrellnogueira]

Even better, before starving to death, they would probably kill and eat each other. A

[@sirapple589]

André Nogueira Spiders also don’t kill their meal quickly, they liquify the insides of their meal and then slurp it up. Yup, that sure sounds more humane than death by gunshot to me.

[@Liesmith424]

I don't understand how Ruth would call herself "The Doctor". My memory is shit, but I'm like 99% certain that the *actual* Doctor remembers either choosing or being given that name.

[@Volthoom]

I don't recall how the classical Who did it, but the RTD era gave a clear indication that A)Yes, Doctor chose the name for himself, B)It happened during his time in the Academy. We're given this in a phone-conversation Doctor and Master have in "The Sound of Drums", with Master mocking the name.

[@paulrichards4452]

@@Volthoom Exactly spot on! So all these timeless children can't be calling themselves the Doctor. Chibnall screwed up big time.

[@donovandelozier7156]

@@paulrichards4452 nothing new there though

[@kelemonopy]

Thought it was established that while juvenile on galifrey they had unlimited regeneration and when they stare into the vortex as the coming of age ritual they then are limited in regeneration and choose Thier name

[@fork3810]

I know literally nothing about Dr. Who But I have been watching Jay for years soooo I cannot wait to watch all 5 hours in one sitting Update: I’ve seen the whole video and I’m glad to say I vehemently enjoyed it. Jay did an excellent job of making it so those without context can still enjoy and learn from his criticism. I actually kinda wanna see some Dr. Who now; it’s seems super great (referring to past series of course)

[@Naokarma]

Same here. Seen like half an episode air on TV when I was like 10. Got bored and confused since it was in the dead middle of whatever season, and never saw anything else directly.

[@alexanderrichard8842]

Same. Given how much she slaved away on it and the amount of technical issues she had in the process of even rendering this vid I feel morally obligated to support this even if I'm entirely lost lmao

[@jstar1478]

The only things I know about Doctor Who is from Jay

[@PeterGriffin11]

Theo only thing I know about it is that there’s a new doctor every time each series ends and that there are robots called dollocks. Oh and that Doctor Who has been around for a long time.

[@TheWonderfulBrandon]

I'm hoping that we are going to do a watchalong of the full video on Jay's Discord. Come join us! discord.gg/UEUWKGwmSA

[@grilledbread7697]

I've watched this video like 8 times and this is the first time I've noticed the 'now that's what I call an inner conflict' screensaver

[@madladdie7069]

same

[@jamesbarras3834]

i have dyspraxia and when it was mentioned that ryan has dyspraxia i was exited because it would expose more people to it and make it easier for them to understand why i struggle with certain things and then you can imagine my disappointment when that was completely fucking ignored from there on in.

[@kiesears5612]

Same here

[@qnebra]

I propably did more research about dyspraxia during writing comments for local fandom discord server than Chibnall do in entirety of both series 11 and 12.

[@RAP7ORv]

same here.

[@abderianagelast7868]

My current psychologist is telling me and my parents that I have Dyspraxia because I habitually don't get projects or other things done. But like...that's not at all the same as having a motor disability. I'm more than a bit confused.

[@tomo4977]

@@abderianagelast7868 if it helps, dyspraxia is the under development of neurons, so u can have difficult fine and gross motor skills, but neurons are also important in memory, focus, sensitivities and generally transmitting chemicals. So that's why u often see dyspraxics with poor focus & organisation too (Which Chibnall missed out big time on writing)

[@fantasticbeck3938]

You know, the fact that the 13th doctor - the first female doctor - is so self-conscious, nervous, awkward, and has no core values is really tragic. I feel bad for the little girls who are growing up watching this. I would have loved to have seen the 13th doctor have the same confidence and swagger and morals as any of the male doctors. She would have been a much better role model that way. I wonder ... if the 13th doctor had been male, would Chibnall have written him to be so self-conscious and nervous? The answer is probably no - and that's a problem.

[@popopop984]

So wait, he’s sexist?

[@fantasticbeck3938]

@@popopop984 I'm not saying that he's outright sexist, and I don't think he's a bad person or anything, but what I mean is that the 13th doctor MAY have been written that way due to unconscious sexist bias. I just find it hard to believe that he would have written the 13th doctor that way if she were male because self-consciousness and awkwardness are more often seen in female characters in the media. Maybe he would have written a male doctor that way, but I find it unlikely.

[@jaybee27D]

@Frumentarii what do you mean it's both? She didn't write the script

[@dandywaysofliving]

The moment I realized the Doctor was the mother of Danny Latimer I thought oh God no. If I know anything about "Hollywood" This isn't gonna be good. But I had hope. I was ready for the swagger. It was lack luster. I still keep hope for it to improve but the show is lacking and I literally fall asleep watching certain episodes. It makes me sad that I'm bored with a show I like - _-

[@gideon903]

This series really holds your hands. And both of your feet. And just kinda drags you towards wherever the plot demands.

[@natasha8007]

This is the best description of this season lol, you deserve more likes.

[@JhadeSagrav]

@@natasha8007 i halp! i gave you one too, jic.

[@FionaAnimatesBagels]

Always nice to see a GG reference in the wild

[@FL2070]

based turtle pfp (pre edit: cringe picrew pfp)

[@FionaAnimatesBagels]

@@FL2070 Look, I may be a lesbian, but even I can tell that they're hotter than fuckin' MS-paint Professor Fate over here

[@jspaingreene6350]

Jay - I'm at the hospital waiting for some tests on my stomach and you are keeping me company. Your voice, wit and humor are so comforting to me. Thank you for being you.

[@meloneatingwolf1882]

Status report? You ok?

[@PolarShift]

"Hello, welcome, this video is 5 hours" Me: *slams pause button, checks time, eyes going wide* "Ferb, I know what we're gonna do today!"

[@justind.5926]

I'm gonna assume you don't know where Perry is??

[@simplemaddness]

You keep calling them "a plank of wood" but Ed, Edd 'n' Eddy proves that even a plank of wood can get an amazing amount of character development...

[@doughorton3635]

I felt more emotion for Handles than I do for the 13th Doctor's companions.

[@darrelsam419]

Plank was way more interesting than any protagonist and more terrifying than any villain in the Chibnail era of Doctor Who.

[@OrangeAceGaming]

@@doughorton3635 To be fair, Handles was the Doctor's longest living companion.

[@gf1006]

@@doughorton3635 Handles had an introduction where he was serving a function, he helped the doctor with calculations and stuff - basically alexa. Given Space Alexa’s enhanced, yet not quite human intelligence he gets into an argument about patching the telephone and also doesn’t get that maybe he shouldn’t put the doctor on dalek and cybermen ships. When the doctor arrives on Trenzalore handles now helps the doctor and serves him as his main company whos constant, won’t die like Clara or the village people, but not quite human so the doctor is still lonely at heart. Then when Clara finally returns and the doctor talks about his own mortality in a beautifully shot, directed, and acted scene handles passes as he is now way too old and broken, this recalls the argument about the telephone and gives the doctor nostalgia of hundreds of years ago when he was arriving on trenzalore, Matt Smith has brilliant delivery of “Thank you, Handles”. Handles serves as the doctor’s company and is constant, he would’ve buried Clara but not Handles he’s a machine. Now the doctor knows he’s been here for too long because even Handles is dead, something that shouldn’t die

[@thesalanian]

“Hang on a second, that’s a woman. . . . Anyway. . . .” Beautiful, honestly.

[@Bistai949]

Yeah, I really love that line. This entire video is probably Jay's best video so far. I have a couple of issues with it, but it's all pretty nit-picky stuff, especially since it's all minor aspects of a 5 hour video.

[@RealCoolstriker64]

The kerblam episode pisses me off for many reasons, but I want to rant in this comment about how if you can directly contact the doctor, then you can contact *literally anyone.* The only person who’s been able to reliably contact him was River, and even then she couldn’t control what point in his life he’d find the message, and that’s only because *she’s a time traveler too.* Normal people have to devote their entire lineage to the task. The Doctor is so notoriously hard to contact, that on the 3 occasions that he randomly bumped into someone he already knew for a second time, he IMMEDIATELY assumed outside interference, and all 3 times HE WAS RIGHT. (Donna, Wilfred, and Clara) But it’s not just that the ability to send Kerblam delivery bots through the time vortex means that it can send them *literally* anywhere it wants, but the fact that it can teleport *directly onboard the tardis,* a feat that as far as I’m aware hasn’t even been done *By the Doctor.* Remember the episode where the tardis becomes a woman? The doctor only managed to get back on board with help from people already on the ship. Even The Doctor can’t bypass the TARDIS’ defenses. This means that Space-Amazon has dethroned time lords as the most technologically advanced thing.

[@thatwaygaming8679]

As an addendum the one time a group contacted the doctor it was with a phone provided by him, using the efforts of everyone who knows the doctor, and eventually being strong enough to necessitate a sacrifice due to knowing it'd be detected. AND EVEN THEN I don't think the message got all the way through.

[@RealCoolstriker64]

@@thatwaygaming8679oh yeah! The whole stolen planets thing! I completely forgot about that, but it’s perfect! Because EVEN THEN The Doctor was *actively searching FOR the people sending the message.*

[@RealCoolstriker64]

@SteveyTheEx-Eevee I mean, there was the Daleks at the end of 9's run. But those were the biggest bad in all of who, and also they had recently gained a LOT of experience fighting time-lords in the Time-War that they just narrowly -escaped.

[@ZoeyAnonschild]

@@RealCoolstriker64No, tbf, the Dalek didn’t teleport in, the TARDIS, or Nine and Jack, intentionally materialised around it because it was right beside Rose, so that was the quickest way to get her out of immediate harm’s way. And they were also standing ready to blow it up, which isn’t relevant, it was just a cool scene and another example of the Doctor being very okay with gun usage.

[@follow7464]

​@@ZoeyAnonschildI think they're talking about how the characters were teleported out of the TARDIS at the beginning of Bad Wolf.

[@narcoticundertow]

The Kablam episode is insane to me, the Doctor literally says "there is nothing wrong with the system" lol did Bezos write this?

[@slevinchannel7589]

XD

[@mildlyinfuriatedbird2557]

🤗🤗🤗🎍💂🥴🥴💥

[@DaDunge]

Also their solution being more humans in crapy jobs. No the solution should be let machines do what machines do well and humans what humans do well. While you tax the work done by machines to provide for humans who can't find work.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@DaDunge If you watched FIVE HOURS then what about Madvocates video about the Flash? His hour-long criticism that very much mirrirs this one here? Let alone entire channel specialized on it, like HBomberguy.

[@nenmaster5218]

@@DaDunge Slevin asked you something?

[@NoahInfinity]

This video made me realise 2 things: 1. That Jodie’s run really is as bad as everyone’s said and most of it comes from Chibnall not knowing how to write 2. The Doctor Who audiobooks are actually really good and I wanna get more after listening to Blood of the Daleks

[@JE-western-rider]

And Jodie said anyone can play the doctor. She has no respect for the Doctor or the the program cannon. May she be thrown into a black hole and not be seen again until judgement day.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@JE-western-rider Know Madvocate’s hour-long criticism of The Flash, which extremly-much mirrors Jay Exci talking about Doctor Who?

[@mildlyinfuriatedbird2557]

🌎🐸🐸🐸🐸🌪️🌪️🌪️🐸🐸🐸🐸🌏

[@alwaysflushinpublic]

He said, it really will get better. Well can it get worse without letting it be taken over by Hollywood?

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@alwaysflushinpublic Yep. Thats why i support not just social Commentary like Jay Exci or his 'bigger siblings' Hbomberguy, Critical Drinker and Some More News, but also loads and boat-loads of Science-KZbinrs. Hoping all this causes Waves of Positivity.

[@quonit37]

I feel like Chris is the kind of person who thinks he should name the Doctor. Some amazing writers in the past have come close but literally stopped themselves to say that SOMEBODY will probably be able to do it much better and they don't think they have the right to name the Doctor, but Chris doesn't seem to have that sort of reservation and would probably just go ahead and use it as a plotline.

[@guccifer764]

And it’ll be fucking Steve or something

[@miggyluv]

We know his name. Gomez Master told us. 😂😂

[@SteelSpurs]

Call me crazy, but I hope no writer ever attempts to name the Doctor. That question should live on forever.

[@mrgerund3060]

@@guccifer764 next up on Doctor Steve: a new writer fixing the chibnall era through the most convulated and expertise way to turn the showname back to "Doctor Who"

[@theunholysmirk]

complete normie here... The Doctor's name isn't Who?